Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've always been proud of
Speaker 1: being able to say the word o diggi zua.
Speaker 2: It's fair Here in the.
Speaker 1: Chris Westling podcast studio, I'm with my friends Jordan Rodriege
Speaker 1: of The Athletic and Colleen Wolf.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2: See your next Tuesday crew is back?
Speaker 1: And odiggi Zua is not really a word, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a name. And we will get to the great
Speaker 1: news for the young defensive tackle Osa Odiggie Zua later
Speaker 1: in the show, but first I just got to say,
Speaker 1: how are you guys doing back from Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: I'm good.
Speaker 5: I'm on fumes at this point in the off season,
Speaker 5: but in a good way. I feel like a ultra marathon.
Speaker 5: This is about the point I get the second cliff
Speaker 5: Gel going, Oh, we're good, We're good.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you guys know that Harry Styles ran the Japan
Speaker 1: Marathon and he did it under three point thirty, which
Speaker 1: is quite an impressive time if you know marathon type.
Speaker 1: I mean for like a normal person, that's wow, pretty outstanding.
Speaker 6: I mean he's very talented in multiple areas. Yeah, it
Speaker 6: turns out several.
Speaker 2: I'm a little jealous I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I know that I was told that news and I
Speaker 1: wanted to know his time and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty minutes faster than I was back doing the San
Speaker 1: Diego marathon in like twenty.
Speaker 3: And nine, twenty minutes faster. I love that you're compared.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, you compared yourself to Harry
Speaker 5: Styles in this phase.
Speaker 2: Because my time was solid, like three forty seven.
Speaker 1: You know that that's a solid time getting in under
Speaker 1: four hours.
Speaker 2: But he he crushed me.
Speaker 5: I think with anything in life, it is dangerous to
Speaker 5: compare yourself to Harry Styles.
Speaker 6: That's fair, That's what That's what the saying is.
Speaker 1: You were hosting the combine inside the stadium is I
Speaker 1: was not there? Nick Shook was there representing NFL Daily.
Speaker 2: How was that was?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 6: It was me, Cynthia and Reggie Wayne and I wasn't
Speaker 6: really sure what to expect with it, and we had
Speaker 6: so much fun. It was maybe that was my best
Speaker 6: combine experience. It's because once I realized that we just
Speaker 6: could mess around with each other and people that were
Speaker 6: there like, I'm like scouts, let me hear you.
Speaker 2: Like, it was.
Speaker 4: That's amazing. Stop watches around yea.
Speaker 1: Like Reggie Wayne is literally a coach on the Colts,
Speaker 1: and he has this gig that's wild, right.
Speaker 6: And he used to work here a few years ago,
Speaker 6: and so I haven't worked with him then. So it
Speaker 6: was fun to reunite with Reggie. And then got back
Speaker 6: to LA. And this morning I dropped off Keema at
Speaker 6: Good Girls School.
Speaker 3: So she's gonna do a little board and train, and.
Speaker 5: I saw she was showing off her vertical, her vertical
Speaker 5: other prospects.
Speaker 6: Okay, I am sitting at Combine.
Speaker 3: Is my new dog.
Speaker 6: I rescued her from a high kill shelter, the pound
Speaker 6: right here in LA, and she had everything wrong with her.
Speaker 6: I did not know that she was this athletic. And
Speaker 6: I get a call. I ignored it because I didn't
Speaker 6: know the number. And I see the voicemail popping up
Speaker 6: on my phone and it says, I think we have
Speaker 6: your dog in our backyard.
Speaker 3: Can you give me a call back.
Speaker 6: I'm in Indianapolis, and I'm like, oh my god. So
Speaker 6: I call and I'm like, yeah, you have Keema.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 6: She was supposed to be with a dog sitter. She
Speaker 6: must have got out. Let me call the dog sitter.
Speaker 6: And so then I called the dog sitter, and she's
Speaker 6: like beside herself, Oh okay, are thing's gonna be fine here?
Speaker 6: She's like, I just didn't think that there was any
Speaker 6: way a dog could escape our yard.
Speaker 3: We have six foot fences.
Speaker 6: And then she sent me photos of Keema hopping the
Speaker 6: six foot fence.
Speaker 3: Dang, like, no problem whatsoever?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: So you know she could be a show dog at
Speaker 6: some point, but she discovered she's loves.
Speaker 2: To jump, right, she could she could do some training.
Speaker 1: I forget what receiver it was said, like an embarrassingly
Speaker 1: vertical like chema.
Speaker 3: She's got hops.
Speaker 5: So when you say you're sending her to good girls school,
Speaker 5: you're really sending her to Exos training facility in Phoenix, Annesona.
Speaker 4: Is there in girls.
Speaker 1: School that would be amazing. Also, if anyone who picks
Speaker 1: the people for NFL events, which is you know how
Speaker 1: you do these? You do it internationally, you do the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I know I'm quote unquote unattractive and my
Speaker 1: voice is quote unquote annoying.
Speaker 2: I'm available, don't talk about my friend.
Speaker 1: I'm available. I feel like it's always all women. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of women and ex players.
Speaker 3: How about so many women in sports. It's crazy.
Speaker 5: And take some woman's opportunity, wouldn't that be nice?
Speaker 2: We got to balance this out. I think we need
Speaker 2: to balance this out.
Speaker 1: We got a big show, A lot of news happened
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. We were gonna like hold the show and
Speaker 1: post it overnight, but there's too much news.
Speaker 2: It's hot. We got to get it out there now.
Speaker 1: It's hot, it's happening for the next week and a half,
Speaker 1: two weeks.
Speaker 2: News every day.
Speaker 1: The day Loge has begun, so we will do all
Speaker 1: of that news, and we will also preview the offseason
Speaker 1: in the AFC North. But let's start where we do
Speaker 1: so often on Tuesdays. It feels like with Sam Donald,
Speaker 1: the franchise tag deadline, it's pasted. Only two guys got tagged,
Speaker 1: t Higgins and Tray Smith. We kind of knew that
Speaker 1: was happening. Sam Donald did not get one, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of reporting around him not getting one. Colleen
Speaker 1: that indicates there's a decent chance he could return to Minnesota.
Speaker 6: I think he probably will return to Soda. They weren't
Speaker 6: comfortable with the forty million dollar tag, so they're trying
Speaker 6: to get a deal done for less than that, the
Speaker 6: problem is with Sam Donald.
Speaker 3: The market right now.
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of options of veteran quarterbacks, and
Speaker 6: the draft is pretty light on quarterbacks, and there's a
Speaker 6: lot of quarterback needy teams talking Titans, Browns, Giants, Raiders,
Speaker 6: Jet Steelers, and the market is like Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 6: whatever happens with Russell Wilson and Jimmy g Justin Fields
Speaker 6: like and we'll talk about Justin Fields and the Steelers
Speaker 6: situation in the AFC North preview. However, I just feel
Speaker 6: like it's a little tough unless Sam Donald really wants
Speaker 6: to come back to Minnesota and play with KOC because
Speaker 6: him and Kevin O'Connell that's where he had his best football.
Speaker 6: And yeah, it was a shaky end of the season,
Speaker 6: but he's still the larger sample size was still very good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is a win win.
Speaker 5: I think if he ultimately we don't know where JJ
Speaker 5: McCarthy's at in terms of not just his rehab but
Speaker 5: just getting like physically ready to come back in as
Speaker 5: this team starter in Minnesota, could potentially be an opportunity
Speaker 5: for Sam Donald to like wash clean the last two games,
Speaker 5: come out with a couple strong games next season early
Speaker 5: in the season or even in the reseason, and ramp
Speaker 5: back up the trade potential for him for Minnesota.
Speaker 4: I also think that this is a win win.
Speaker 5: For both sides because if the tag for one year
Speaker 5: was at forty was too rich for the Vikings, they
Speaker 5: could be kind of looking at the framework of that
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield extension previously, where it was three for one hundred,
Speaker 5: but it was really only forty guaranteed at signing and
Speaker 5: fifty guaranteed overall. You obviously don't want to just do
Speaker 5: that for one year. You want to do that for
Speaker 5: multiple years with a quarterback. If you are going to
Speaker 5: pay them that much money in one lump sum, you
Speaker 5: don't want to sit in a tag situation for about
Speaker 5: the same for way less time. And I do think
Speaker 5: that it gives them flexibility and plus Sam Donald like
Speaker 5: clearly thrives there. There was some reporting the other teams
Speaker 5: were actually not interested in him as the quarterback of
Speaker 5: the Raiders.
Speaker 2: Heated up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Vic, my colleagues.
Speaker 5: Victate friend to Sean Reid reported that last week, and
Speaker 5: so I think it's like, Okay, you're sort of looking
Speaker 5: at the lay of the land here and you're like
Speaker 5: a tag in trade or excuse me, a non tag
Speaker 5: and instead the potential of a trade. And I feel
Speaker 5: like there's a healthy enough relationship between Sam Donald and
Speaker 5: KOs See, for example, to be able to have that
Speaker 5: dialogue to be like, yeah, listen, we want you to
Speaker 5: thrive and succeed and set up your future.
Speaker 4: You can do it with us. We might move you
Speaker 4: eventually for JJ.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there just isn't as big a market
Speaker 1: for Darnald as people would expect because he's the best
Speaker 1: young dish option out there.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean.
Speaker 1: First of all, I think we know no one's given
Speaker 1: up picks and money for him or else. I think
Speaker 1: that would have happened, like maybe someone would give up
Speaker 1: a fourth or a fifth or something. If they could
Speaker 1: have gotten a second or a third, I think they
Speaker 1: would have just done it. They would have tagged and
Speaker 1: trade him or they would have So that's not happening.
Speaker 1: And then you have to have someone that really loves
Speaker 1: you or he's going to be in that middle sort
Speaker 1: of area where like, yeah, Tennessee, I think could be
Speaker 1: a potential option, but they might have the number one
Speaker 1: overall draft picks, So how much are they really you know,
Speaker 1: at quarterback, how much are they really going to pay?
Speaker 1: You go down the list, like would he fit with
Speaker 1: with Stefanski in Cleveland. Have to find someone that really
Speaker 1: loves you, and he he might not find anyone that
Speaker 1: loves him more than the Vikings.
Speaker 2: There's kind of been or us or a colleagues.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna find anyone that loves them.
Speaker 2: I mean, those last two games really hurt him.
Speaker 1: Mike Silver, another one of your colleagues, said he believed
Speaker 1: that Darnold was coming back if it wasn't for those
Speaker 1: last two games, and that even despite those last two games,
Speaker 1: like there's a decent chance.
Speaker 3: I think he's coming back.
Speaker 1: They do love him. I think that What does that
Speaker 1: say about J. J. McCarthy doesn't say anything.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean the injury, you're gonna it's a it's
Speaker 5: a long timeline for recovery, but then also on ramping
Speaker 5: him back up. I mean, we're still so far away
Speaker 5: from spring practices, from them getting you know, an understanding
Speaker 5: of where he's at. He looked great last preseason near
Speaker 5: the end of the preseason, but we're still kind of
Speaker 5: a long way away from really having any understanding or
Speaker 5: intel publicly on where he's at the team would obviously.
Speaker 2: Happen Torn Meniscus, but he had to have a follow up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the other The other thing, though, I think
Speaker 5: this is smart that other teams are this play out
Speaker 5: the way that it is, versus kind of scrambling over
Speaker 5: themselves to secure their quarterback and Sam Donald before the
Speaker 5: draft happens. Because they're also letting the Vikings establish Sam's market.
Speaker 5: These other teams are because he's going to be most
Speaker 5: likely negotiating with them for a potential extension because he
Speaker 5: wasn't tagged. Other teams are sort of sitting back and
Speaker 5: letting the Vikings tell us what Sam Donald is worth,
Speaker 5: and if you already have a contract framework, it's easier
Speaker 5: to trade for that player.
Speaker 6: It's really crazy that Sam Donald is at the top
Speaker 6: of the free agent back list. I mean, I guess
Speaker 6: you guys are putting him there right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would, but only because of Aaron Rodgers is personality.
Speaker 3: The only personality in his.
Speaker 4: Age, like everything, that personality.
Speaker 1: I actually think if you're stripped everything out of it
Speaker 1: and it was just football, I would take Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: really because I'm just thinking about it as a one
Speaker 1: year thing. I'm not thinking Donald's going to be my
Speaker 1: long term solution.
Speaker 6: So Mary Rodgers over Russell Wilson Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, but you can't strip that out.
Speaker 1: It's the quarterback. You can't strip out everything that he brings.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't want to deal with that whole everything,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I would rather have Donald would be
Speaker 1: next on my list. But I think Rogers was playing
Speaker 1: pretty deep, pretty well enough by the end of the season.
Speaker 1: And I think they're both a little bit of a
Speaker 1: mystery bag of like they're not everything you want, so
Speaker 1: either way, they're short term solution.
Speaker 6: You imagine if Aaron Rodgers went to Minnesota and then
Speaker 6: just like follows the exact Brett Farv.
Speaker 1: It's really not that crazy, actually, because I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: think this says much about how they feel about JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1: It's just he's a twenty one year old kid coming
Speaker 1: off of an injury. Of course, you can't just count
Speaker 1: on everything to be fine. What if you get gets reinjured,
Speaker 1: then your season's over. Like you have to have another
Speaker 1: decent veteran option, and Donald is makes the most sense.
Speaker 5: For them, and this is like the best problem for
Speaker 5: a team to have, really if you're Minnesota, similarly with Atlanta,
Speaker 5: you know, I was talking to someone over there and
Speaker 5: just trying to get some insight a little bit more
Speaker 5: into Mike Pennix and kind of what we can expect
Speaker 5: from him this year, and the overwhelming theme was, Man,
Speaker 5: this is not stressful. This is so much less stressful
Speaker 5: because we have a quarterback. So it's better to have
Speaker 5: a quarterback, even if the first one didn't quite work out,
Speaker 5: or even if there's a little bit of a messiness
Speaker 5: and logistics to figure out, having the quarterback is always
Speaker 5: better than not having the quarterback.
Speaker 3: It's so funny.
Speaker 6: I was talking to a head coach and he was
Speaker 6: saying how easy this combine was compared to years past
Speaker 6: when he didn't have a quarterback, and now he has
Speaker 6: a quarterback and it's a breeze.
Speaker 3: It's like it's a walk in the park now.
Speaker 1: I mean, we got Jordan talking to Falcon sources, you're
Speaker 1: talking the head coaches. Meanwhile, I'm just asking NFL events.
Speaker 2: To love me.
Speaker 3: Well, put yourself out there more, I guess.
Speaker 2: So let's move on to your team.
Speaker 1: One. Barkley, surprising news on Tuesday, signed a two year
Speaker 1: extension worth forty one million dollars, thirty six million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 2: How about this. They didn't have to give.
Speaker 3: Him, they didn't sat they did.
Speaker 2: That's pretty badass.
Speaker 3: And that's what Howie Roseven does.
Speaker 5: Early early, exactly two years early, he had two years
Speaker 5: left at his condrick.
Speaker 2: This was just like, hey man, that was the best
Speaker 2: season we've ever seen.
Speaker 6: He earned it, he deserves it, and it also is
Speaker 6: great for the entire running back market. Like this all
Speaker 6: came full circle with running backs mattering he got paid
Speaker 6: that much. Now he sets now the Eagles and how
Speaker 6: we have set a new precedent for running backs. And yeah,
Speaker 6: he's locked up until locked in, locked up till twenty
Speaker 6: twenty eight. And a lot of the Eagles offensive corps
Speaker 6: are also locked in until twenty twenty eight, so it's
Speaker 6: kind of crazy. He also has fifteen million dollars about
Speaker 6: in incentives, so he can make even more money.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's see. I Gwinn checked.
Speaker 1: He had twenty six guaranteed last year. It's basically the
Speaker 1: whole contract was guaranteed, and then thirty six this year.
Speaker 1: Thirty six is easily the most ever for a running
Speaker 1: back in terms of guaranteed money. So that's that's fifty two.
Speaker 1: And let's normalize this. We didn't have to give you
Speaker 1: a big raise, but you so far exceeded what you
Speaker 1: were actually worth. We're going to reward you for it.
Speaker 1: That almost never happens in the NFL. Max Crosby actually
Speaker 1: got a similar type of thing last year from the Raiders.
Speaker 5: It also never happens anywhere, you know what, you know
Speaker 5: what I feel like. I love what Howie Roseman and
Speaker 5: Aleck Halliby do when they find outliers, right, they find
Speaker 5: these outlier situations. I would not say that teams should
Speaker 5: just all in flood towards the running back market the
Speaker 5: way that this is sort of the flag set in
Speaker 5: the sand, saying like, okay, this is where the market
Speaker 5: is now. I think that Howie Roseman is gifted in
Speaker 5: forcing people to mistake where markets really are because he.
Speaker 4: Can capitalize on outlier players.
Speaker 5: And this is that situation where just because it's Saquon Barkley,
Speaker 5: who's one of the best we've we've ever seen and
Speaker 5: particularly in this last season, does not mean now that
Speaker 5: every running back will or should get paid. Of course,
Speaker 5: of course, and I know that's what we're all saying.
Speaker 5: But it is interesting because he will force the market
Speaker 5: to deviate that way, and he can because he's forced it.
Speaker 5: He can predict when it will next shift and find
Speaker 5: the zag to hit when everyone else is digging toward
Speaker 5: what they did, and.
Speaker 6: He creates cap flexibility with the move as well.
Speaker 3: So it's a win.
Speaker 1: Win that's huge. You know, there is there is a
Speaker 1: world in which Saquon Barkley feels the I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do the math in my head.
Speaker 3: He's underpaid.
Speaker 1: If you include the one hundred touches that he had
Speaker 1: in the postseason, almost he is well over four hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty four hundred and seventy touches last season. It's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest workloads anyone's ever had in the history,
Speaker 1: and the numbers for guys with that big a workload
Speaker 1: are sometimes not kind.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. He earned all that money.
Speaker 1: I just hope he can hold up to that and
Speaker 1: you can't ask I don't think you can ask him
Speaker 1: to have that sort of workload, which was way far
Speaker 1: and beyond what he had ever done previously year after year,
Speaker 1: so we had fresh legs. I hope they bring back.
Speaker 1: I guess they don't need to bring back Kenny gainwell
Speaker 1: if they like will Shipley, but you know, just so far,
Speaker 1: spread it around a little.
Speaker 3: So far.
Speaker 5: One of the real winners of free agency and the
Speaker 5: season is Colleen Wolf. I mean, yeah, can we just say,
Speaker 5: you know it's going great?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: If the Colts said just won a few more games,
Speaker 1: you'd really be on top of it.
Speaker 2: But it has been a good.
Speaker 6: Back in on the Colts again after Donald Lucas Oil Stadium.
Speaker 5: Donald's gonna have a nice cushy spot for himself with
Speaker 5: a paycheck. The Eagles are excellent and forcing markets to move.
Speaker 4: And again, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Pretty cool college and like the Sixers. Once they brought
Speaker 1: in George, it was like, Wow, we've got our big three.
Speaker 1: We're gonna contend for a title. Maybe we'll take out
Speaker 1: the Celtics. We've got the star power to do it.
Speaker 3: Great, go do an NFL event.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Jets. They cut DeVante Adams. Expected
Speaker 1: that to happen, trade didn't happen. Too big of a salary.
Speaker 2: I love that. Landing spots, any landing spots.
Speaker 1: Do you have any spots we'd like to put to Montana.
Speaker 1: Let me announce actually where he has landed on the
Speaker 1: top one away. I put him right ahead of Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: behind Chris Godwin, behind some of the top tier cornerbacks
Speaker 1: like DJ read S, Tarvarius Ward.
Speaker 2: But that is twelfth overall.
Speaker 1: That is pretty because there's not really quality starting receivers
Speaker 1: available and to me, he is that.
Speaker 2: So with that in mind, any landing spot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I was thinking he could go to the
Speaker 6: Giants and just stay in New York.
Speaker 3: Now they're actually Rod Rodgers.
Speaker 6: Is yeah, who I like that, And then you pair
Speaker 6: him up with Malik Neighbors, so that would be cool.
Speaker 6: And then Rams he's from the area like Palo Alto,
Speaker 6: which you know it's not that close, but he wants
Speaker 6: maybe he wants to get back to California. He's already
Speaker 6: on He's all the way on the East coast. It's
Speaker 6: cold there. They have the sun here. And then especially
Speaker 6: if they end up trading Cooper Cup, then they compare
Speaker 6: him with Kukuanakua and the other one I thought maybe
Speaker 6: were the Patriots and he could reunite with Josh McDaniels
Speaker 6: from their time in Vegas together. And New England has
Speaker 6: a ton of cap space to play with, and they
Speaker 6: want to build around Drake May.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to get that dynamic duo back together.
Speaker 1: McDaniels and everyone guess, actually he did produce it.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be if.
Speaker 5: The forty nine, I mean, the West Coast thing is real.
Speaker 5: Ian Rappaport was talking about that earlier today. So the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers, I think if they do move Ayuk,
Speaker 5: I do think that they'll be in on this.
Speaker 4: I think that they're looking to kind.
Speaker 5: Of overhaul it looks like overhaul some of their situation
Speaker 5: with brock perty Now they're not going to be as
Speaker 5: flexible as other teams to actually make this happen. But yes, Colleen,
Speaker 5: great great spot there. The Rams I think would be interested,
Speaker 5: depend if he's cheap. And then also the Los Angeles Chargers, yes,
Speaker 5: should be interested. They should be on the phone trying
Speaker 5: to get this guy to pair him with Justin Herbert
Speaker 5: again at the right number.
Speaker 4: And Lad Mconkie charging and they outsaw and Lightning lad.
Speaker 1: Argers desperately need a wide receiver. It's crazy. I really
Speaker 1: think this The forty nine ers are going to have
Speaker 1: a weird, wild off season. Really like the next couple
Speaker 1: weeks could be strange for them.
Speaker 3: Also, he could go back to Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Well, while we're on the Rams, we will mention there
Speaker 1: was a trade. I said the we're going to have
Speaker 1: a little trade tsunami. This offseason hasn't started quite yet,
Speaker 1: but the Rams sent Jonah Jackson. If you remember, Jonah
Speaker 1: Jackson was a big free agent pick up a lot
Speaker 1: of money.
Speaker 2: They're just eating that money.
Speaker 1: But they did get the Bears to take on his
Speaker 1: nine million dollars in fully guaranteed salary in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: They get a sixth round pick back. So we talked
Speaker 1: to Ryan Poles last week. He said he was going
Speaker 1: to get some interior alignment. He got one for a
Speaker 1: reasonable price.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Greg, we did talk to Ryan Polt. Actually, we
Speaker 5: have a we have a photo of the three of
Speaker 5: us speaking.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this is the three of us.
Speaker 3: This happens to me all the time. She's caught a photo.
Speaker 5: So the photo has a brutal crop. You do see
Speaker 5: my sli my sleeve in the corner. This is the photo,
Speaker 5: Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 2: You know I can explain this.
Speaker 4: It's the little green splotch you see in the corner
Speaker 4: over there. YouTube there you are check this out now.
Speaker 5: Actually, I want to diagnose this, Greg because my favorite
Speaker 5: part of this brutal crop and this photo is.
Speaker 2: I didn't crap it. The NFL media crapped it.
Speaker 5: That's what they sent the caption that says parentheses from
Speaker 5: when I was there.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're not in this show was why it seemed confusing. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: this interview was in the interview we didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: have I didn't have a a pick that that made
Speaker 1: sense to send out.
Speaker 2: So I just was like, here's one from me.
Speaker 4: That's our favorite moment from the combine. To be quite honest,
Speaker 4: but we're.
Speaker 3: Just holding you accountable.
Speaker 1: NFL media cropped you. We did have some other ones.
Speaker 5: Shifting the blame, but luck getting an event.
Speaker 4: Now you just blamed NFIL media.
Speaker 2: Well that's different.
Speaker 5: Poles did talk to us about how he was really
Speaker 5: ready to spend and invest in overhauling this offensive line.
Speaker 5: Obviously their interior was a disaster. Jonah Jackson can play
Speaker 5: guard or actually he can play center as well.
Speaker 4: Kind of depends on where they'll want.
Speaker 3: To put up both guard spots.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he.
Speaker 5: Played well, he can play both guard spots, but last
Speaker 5: year he played both left guard and center, and he
Speaker 5: has familiarity with Ben Johnson, and a source told me
Speaker 5: that he is taking on the Bears are taking on
Speaker 5: his salary. So that was really why the Rams wanted
Speaker 5: to offload him, was they were they signed him to
Speaker 5: a three year, fifty one million dollars contract to not.
Speaker 1: Play well and he was a disaster for them. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate, but he'll be motivated to get better and
Speaker 1: it's a system that he knows well with Ben Johnson
Speaker 1: makes sense for what the for everyone, good good move
Speaker 1: because ultimately nine million dollars actually isn't that much money
Speaker 1: for like a one year deal, and there's just not
Speaker 1: in any guards that are going to be available in
Speaker 1: the in the free agency period. It will be in
Speaker 1: the draft. The Cowboys sign osa Odigi's to a four year,
Speaker 1: eighty million dollar contract, fifty eight million dollars of that guaranteed.
Speaker 1: You know, the insiders are all patting the Cowboys on
Speaker 1: the back. Oh they're saving money, and you know they're
Speaker 1: saving money that they didn't have to tag them. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could have signed him much earlier and saved a
Speaker 1: lot more money. So I'm not going to give them
Speaker 1: that much credit, but it is a step in the
Speaker 1: right direction that they're not letting these contracts go until the.
Speaker 2: Very last minute. So like a small they're learning little.
Speaker 6: Golf baby steps, like you don't just automatically go that route,
Speaker 6: like you have to slowly, I think, yeah.
Speaker 5: To find a pen. You know, they haven't used theirs
Speaker 5: in a while, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's tricky defensive tackles. They developed so slowly that a
Speaker 1: lot of times their fourth year they really break out
Speaker 1: and then it kind of catches the team not unawares,
Speaker 1: but their value goes up a ton Madam Week.
Speaker 2: It was a good recent example.
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence was another one, like Chris Jones, guys who
Speaker 1: they really don't improve till their fourth year. And Odiggy
Speaker 1: Zoo was in the top you know five in total pressures.
Speaker 1: He fits that Eberfluce offense. So that is a good move.
Speaker 1: I'm making fun of the Cowboys, but that's starts up next. Yes,
Speaker 1: and they didn't have to you know, per year. They
Speaker 1: did get it under what the franchise number would have.
Speaker 1: And just another couple quick items that the Eagles released
Speaker 1: James Bradberry. Yeah, after Darius Slide tough that he will
Speaker 1: be remembered for the penalty. That a little questionable call
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl is.
Speaker 3: An all pro.
Speaker 6: He switched from safety when the cornerback room was filled
Speaker 6: to the gills. He's turned into a mentor for the
Speaker 6: younger players. Yeah, that's what I'm going to remember.
Speaker 4: Greg.
Speaker 1: I don't remember him playing any safety. That was like
Speaker 1: a story, but he just sort of watched Alan. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I am mean to James Bradbury. I
Speaker 1: love James Bradbury.
Speaker 4: Well, it's all right, you're internalizing and lashing out.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that is what it is.
Speaker 1: I had him super high on the top one of
Speaker 1: one a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Bradberry.
Speaker 1: The Jets are letting Alan Lazard seek a trade so
Speaker 1: he might be cut. Brandon McManus quietly solved the years
Speaker 1: long Packers kicker issue last year, and so they signed
Speaker 1: him to a three year deal. The Seahawks cut Draymont Jones,
Speaker 1: Robertson Harris, Rayshawn Jenkins, and George. Draymont Jones was very
Speaker 1: high on my top one oh one a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago and was a total bust for the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Not the profile of guys who are typically busted in
Speaker 1: free agency, like he was a young, ascending player, but
Speaker 1: he did not play well for them at all. I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna put him on my top one on one.
Speaker 1: It really worked out so poorly over there. And then
Speaker 1: finally in the news, just quickly, there was a report
Speaker 1: by Front Office Sports that Bill Belichick and UNC were
Speaker 1: going to be the new season of Hard Knocks, which
Speaker 1: I was waiting to have my take on, which was,
Speaker 1: the world does not need more Michael Lombardi on our
Speaker 1: television screen.
Speaker 2: And it turns.
Speaker 1: Out that's not gonna happen. It's not happening, like they
Speaker 1: couldn't close the deal. NFL Media actually released the statement
Speaker 1: about it that it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but we all lose out.
Speaker 5: Man, how Hard Knocks has fallen since last season, and
Speaker 5: I always enjoy it. I just I understand that it's
Speaker 5: sort of like, you know, a cursed gift here at
Speaker 5: this point.
Speaker 1: The off season one, if it turns out to be
Speaker 1: one and done, was a great enterprise.
Speaker 2: It was a great effort.
Speaker 1: I think people are over almost over, you know, counting
Speaker 1: how much the Giants looked bad in it.
Speaker 2: But because it was interesting.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of things about it that were
Speaker 1: just like compelling television that wasn't making it look like
Speaker 1: an idiot.
Speaker 2: There was that too.
Speaker 5: There were executives like having these group chats together saying like, Okay,
Speaker 5: what did you think that was? Was that as bad
Speaker 5: as it seemed to us, like we would never want that,
Speaker 5: Like not judging them per se, but saying like, man,
Speaker 5: how could you say yes to this in the future,
Speaker 5: if if that's going to happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it would have been interesting, all
Speaker 1: jokes aside to watch this UNC thing, but it didn't
Speaker 1: get off the ground. Unfortunately. You know what did our
Speaker 1: division preview series? We're going to do that after the break.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk a little AFC North, maybe
Speaker 1: the best division in football, maybe so.
Speaker 2: You have power rounds.
Speaker 3: That kind of bowls them down.
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, I don't know if you heard
Speaker 1: Colleen Jordan, we're running like a sleeker, more efficient NFL Daily.
Speaker 2: Here in the off season.
Speaker 6: Okay, that sounds efficient, but like she maybe I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, bikini bod for spring no more, like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to keep the show to double digits, like fifty minutes since.
Speaker 2: They are under an hour.
Speaker 3: Good luck, where are we out right?
Speaker 1: That's what we've been doing. We're gonna do the AFC North.
Speaker 1: We're going to look ahead to the off season. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to tomorrow's show too. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about free agents we are really looking for. But this
Speaker 1: will be more team centered. I will start. Let's put
Speaker 1: five minutes on the clock for the Cleveland Browns. They
Speaker 1: have the number to overall pick. Of course, they have
Speaker 1: an extra third round pick because of that Amari Cooper trade.
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they randomly have five sixth round picks. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to point that out. And they are twenty three
Speaker 1: million dollars over the cap, so they're in as much
Speaker 1: trouble as any team in terms of cap space. They
Speaker 1: have a lot going on that we can get into.
Speaker 1: But I will start the conversation just with the question
Speaker 1: because I think it informs everything we talk about with them.
Speaker 2: How much do they want to blow it up?
Speaker 1: Because there are levels to it, but there are a
Speaker 1: lot of players on this team that are aging and
Speaker 1: have high cap numbers, Like do they kind of blow
Speaker 1: it up?
Speaker 2: Do they not blow it up at all? How much
Speaker 2: do they want them.
Speaker 3: And their best player is demanding to be traded.
Speaker 6: Well that too, yeah, to leave, So that leaves massive
Speaker 6: holes at quarterback, also running back because Nick Chubb is
Speaker 6: a free agent too, and he broke his foot in
Speaker 6: Week fifteen, but and wide receiver and have no money.
Speaker 3: So there's like, I don't, I don't I think you
Speaker 3: have to blow it up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they actually are gonna, I think, open up almost
Speaker 5: forty million in additional money once they again restructure the
Speaker 5: contract they never should have signed with Deshaun Watson, so
Speaker 5: that still won't be like a ton of flexibility to
Speaker 5: the point where it's not dramatic enough a change to
Speaker 5: not consider like legitimately, like you guys are saying, blowing
Speaker 5: this thing up, getting recouping some picks for Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4: I know they that.
Speaker 5: Andrew Berry has been super emphatic, both at the podium
Speaker 5: and then inside scrums with reporters about how they're not
Speaker 5: trading them. They're not trading them, they're not trading But
Speaker 5: when you're looking at your books over the next couple
Speaker 5: of years, when you're deciding if you do like or
Speaker 5: even love one of these young quarterbacks that are coming
Speaker 5: up in the draft class or even a bridge, like
Speaker 5: the proposition of acquiring your bridge and then getting to
Speaker 5: next year, like you are looking at potentially a multi
Speaker 5: year overhaul, And I think once they face the reality
Speaker 5: of that, you're going to start to see them, you know,
Speaker 5: finally shed that that dead weight that they have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned Andrew Berry being emphatic, and that's true
Speaker 1: with his words. But I heard the great Danny Heifitz
Speaker 1: refer to Andrew Berry as an energy vampire.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he had three different gms. I believe that we're.
Speaker 1: Just sort of sucks the life out of a press
Speaker 1: conference or the room that he's in, and I hear
Speaker 1: that the reality they've sucked the life out of this organization.
Speaker 1: This is the one of the greatest fan bases ever
Speaker 1: and it's tough to root for them. Part of the
Speaker 1: reason I'm asking it if they should blow it up
Speaker 1: or not is because here's a list of the players
Speaker 1: that I think qualify as like, hmm, do they make
Speaker 1: sense on a longer timeline. Garrett, you get a ton
Speaker 1: of picks for him. Jack Conklin, that's more just a
Speaker 1: money and injury thing, But he is up there and
Speaker 1: has had a ton of injuries, big salary, Joel Botonio,
Speaker 1: who is considering retirement, so that might be more up
Speaker 1: to him, big salary. Jeremiah Ousu Kormoa. That's just unfortunate.
Speaker 1: He's coming back from a big injury. They just have
Speaker 1: to kind of wait and see. That could be like
Speaker 1: a career threatning thing. Denzel Ward who said he wants
Speaker 1: to leave with Miles Garrett. Oh, if Garrett goes and
Speaker 1: then they you know, there's always a question of these
Speaker 1: cornerbacks Martin Emerson, Greg Newsome. So it's just a lot
Speaker 1: of different players. They also have some free agents. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Chubb, Jameis Winson's a free agent, Elijah Moore, Jedrick Wills.
Speaker 1: I would expect all of those guys to leave. One
Speaker 1: thing they do have though, Colleen is a pretty good
Speaker 1: defense and like they're all coming back on paper.
Speaker 2: So there is another route where.
Speaker 1: You move up to draft cam Ward one spot instead
Speaker 1: of and you keep Miles Garrett and suddenly like that's
Speaker 1: that's your future.
Speaker 6: You have to be in love with cam Ward though,
Speaker 6: and it sounds like it's just not as strong of
Speaker 6: a quarterback class at all as years passed, and so
Speaker 6: then you're moving up, which means you're losing draft capital
Speaker 6: when you really need it. I think that they should
Speaker 6: move back, get some picks, and then blow the whole
Speaker 6: thing up. I mean, they are so far over the
Speaker 6: cap at this point, and it's for bad teams, so
Speaker 6: it's not even like they're spending a lot of money
Speaker 6: and it's paying off. It feels like forever ago they
Speaker 6: were in the playoffs with Joe Fan.
Speaker 1: You know it, just as an aside, if they cut
Speaker 1: j Shahn Watson right now, they would have one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy two million dollars in dead money.
Speaker 3: Ooh party.
Speaker 5: You know what I would almost say, I would almost
Speaker 5: say all of these moves or potential moves have to
Speaker 5: happen in tandem.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 4: You can't half ass any of this. Forgive my French.
Speaker 4: I feel like you have to.
Speaker 5: If you're going to decide you're going to move from
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward, you also in tandem have
Speaker 5: to commit to probably trading back that second overall pick,
Speaker 5: because then you could recoup even more capital gut and
Speaker 5: completely overhaul your roster top to bottom and think about
Speaker 5: quarterback next year and sign a veteran in a Bridge
Speaker 5: this year.
Speaker 4: But all of it has to happen together.
Speaker 5: You can't just do one or another trade Miles Garrett
Speaker 5: and then see if you can maybe get lucky for
Speaker 5: cam Ward.
Speaker 4: It just won't work like that.
Speaker 5: I think they have to fully commit to ripping the
Speaker 5: band aid off.
Speaker 1: My guess is they try to win because the GM
Speaker 1: and coach will be fired if they think long. So
Speaker 1: I don't think they will blow it up. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about a team that does not need to blow it up.
Speaker 1: It's always in the mix, but maybe not as much
Speaker 1: as their fans want them to be. That's the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolfe, get us.
Speaker 2: Good, all right.
Speaker 6: They have the twenty first overall pick. They also have
Speaker 6: picks in the second and third round. Nothing in the
Speaker 6: fourth though, And for them, it's the same question that
Speaker 6: they had last year at this very time, once again,
Speaker 6: who was your quarterback?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: I don't I know.
Speaker 6: Ian Rappaport came out with the report that they're leaning
Speaker 6: heavily towards Justin Fields that he's probably likely the quarterback
Speaker 6: of the Steelers, more likely than Russell Wilson, which the
Speaker 6: team already sort of chose. Russell Wilson over Justin Fields.
Speaker 6: At least they did that last year and then they
Speaker 6: finished the season zero to five, including that playoff game.
Speaker 6: But I guess Justin Fields would be a cheaper option
Speaker 6: for them. It's just I don't know if either option
Speaker 6: is actually good.
Speaker 1: This is just a small side, but what was your
Speaker 1: favorite moment from the last two Pittsburgh Steelers playoff appearances?
Speaker 2: Damn?
Speaker 1: I just mean, like, has any team been in the
Speaker 1: playoffs and been more forgetful? If you're watching on YouTube,
Speaker 1: our guy you know behind this where you're going with
Speaker 1: Chris is doing great work with the graphics, and it
Speaker 1: says defeated by the Ravens twenty fourth, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot they were in the playoffs, the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sort of just an entrance and then an exit
Speaker 5: with a whimper. The only number I think that they
Speaker 5: should be looking at when it comes to Justin Fields,
Speaker 5: who potentially could be very much a cheaper option, is
Speaker 5: that he turns twenty six years old on March fifth.
Speaker 5: We are recording on March fourth, so obviously he is
Speaker 5: still super super young. And I think stats whatever, you
Speaker 5: have a guy who is you know who you understand
Speaker 5: the locker room's reaction to him, and I think that
Speaker 5: you have to just commit to a young player who
Speaker 5: still has, in my opinion, untapped potential, who is again
Speaker 5: only twenty six years old.
Speaker 6: They also have a similar issue at running back because
Speaker 6: both Naji Harris and Jalen Warren are free agents.
Speaker 2: Dalen Warren's restriction they did free.
Speaker 6: Agent, he would be obviously the cheaper option there. Wide
Speaker 6: receiver doesn't look great. Mike Williams was a non factor,
Speaker 6: so they'll be out. George Pickens is on the last
Speaker 6: year of his rookie deal. Van Jefferson's a free agent,
Speaker 6: and then on the other side of the ball, they're
Speaker 6: passing defense. Like their overall defense was good, but their
Speaker 6: pass coverage was the liability for them. And their number
Speaker 6: two quarterback, Dante Jackson, is a free agent. They can
Speaker 6: probably upgrade at nickel two, but they have quite a
Speaker 6: few places where they need some upgrades.
Speaker 1: Now they have fifty nine million dollars in cap space,
Speaker 1: so they are.
Speaker 5: That's going to go to TJ. Wade, who apparently he's
Speaker 5: looking for a new contract.
Speaker 1: That's a lot that's more than they can spend, and
Speaker 1: they're not traditionally huge spenders. They're kind of like middle
Speaker 1: to lower tier spenders in free agency. But they could
Speaker 1: use cornerback like an a Sante Samuel Jr. Or a
Speaker 1: DJ Reid like this would be a spot to go for.
Speaker 1: Left tackle could be a spot. Brogerick Jones they drafted
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. He hasn't played well for them.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, they have some other key freads. James
Speaker 1: Daniels actually played well for them when he was at guard,
Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna let him go. They they're
Speaker 1: going young there. Naja Harris. You mentioned Dan Moore there,
Speaker 1: they're left tackle. He's probably gone. Camp Sutton was another
Speaker 1: guy who played a lot for them, and then I
Speaker 1: threw out the possibility a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Just keep an eye on Minka Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1: You just get a set a feeling, just get a
Speaker 1: sense that like there's something it's time funky there.
Speaker 2: But the Steelers always have the same needs.
Speaker 1: It's always their cornerbacks, and it's always like their wide receive.
Speaker 2: Lately it's their wide receiver depth.
Speaker 1: They actually have solved mostly their their quarterback, offensive line
Speaker 1: and quarterback.
Speaker 3: I was just.
Speaker 6: Thinking what if Derek Carr ends up becoming available.
Speaker 4: Derek Carr and Art Smith I interesting.
Speaker 1: I believe the same. So we hadn't talked about this.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up in the show. I believe
Speaker 1: the Saints at the combine Mickey Loomis. They didn't have
Speaker 1: a podium session, but they talked to their local board.
Speaker 1: They were about as strong as possible that Derek Carr
Speaker 1: is definitely their quarterback.
Speaker 2: And you never know. It's line season.
Speaker 3: I love rumor season, and I hate it too.
Speaker 1: In this case, I believe him because he's always been
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis's guy. And I think they're going to kick
Speaker 1: the can, but that would make some sense. And yet
Speaker 1: I do like the fields thing.
Speaker 5: I keep an eye on former Jets corner Penny free
Speaker 5: agent DJ Reid as a potential fit with the Steelers again,
Speaker 5: who do need help in their defensive backfield. I think
Speaker 5: Stefan Diggs is kind of a sneaky fit for the
Speaker 5: Steelers if they do lose Van Jefferson, you're gonna need
Speaker 5: sort of a downfield threat.
Speaker 4: You're going to be a player who can do that.
Speaker 5: They really they need to overhaul that room and partner
Speaker 5: the I think the right people with George Pickens, people
Speaker 5: who can come in and sort of say, hey, this
Speaker 5: is being a pro, this is what we do.
Speaker 4: They've obviously kept.
Speaker 5: That together by a thread like they often do so
Speaker 5: until now. And I do think that, you know, Stefan Diggs,
Speaker 5: when he kind of goes into that mercenary mode, he
Speaker 5: can really elevate, he can really thrive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are other two wide receivers on the roster
Speaker 1: are Calvin Austin's kind of a gadget player and Roman Wilson,
Speaker 1: who was a third round pick a year ago. Let's
Speaker 1: move on to the Bengals. Fascinating team. He put the
Speaker 1: five minutes on the clock for Jordan.
Speaker 5: You know, there are so many infrastructural questions with the
Speaker 5: Cincinnati Bengals, some of which are happening on the field,
Speaker 5: some of which are happening off the field in terms
Speaker 5: of the stadium, the ongoing stadium negotiation. The big question
Speaker 5: on the field for the Bengals is who will they
Speaker 5: actually pay Slash extend. And you know they could still
Speaker 5: trade t Higgins even though he got the tag. I
Speaker 5: would actually love to be a fly on the wall
Speaker 5: wondering like how he really felt about that getting the tag.
Speaker 5: But Trey Hendrickson still up in the air, Jamar Chase
Speaker 5: still up in the arn. Duke Tobin was at the
Speaker 5: combine last week talking about how he expects to make
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase quote unquote the highest paid receiver in football,
Speaker 5: which could have been done already.
Speaker 1: And they will say, hey, we saved the money by
Speaker 1: not giving him that money last year. That's sort of
Speaker 1: how the Bengals operate in terms of their free agents.
Speaker 1: They have spent a lot of cash to be fair
Speaker 1: and not well necessarily lately. I do think Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: gets that money. The rest of it, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: They're a very difficult team to predict.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because also MIKEA Sicki is a free age yes
Speaker 6: as well, that's a huge deal. I feel like that's
Speaker 6: kind of under the radar and getting lost in the
Speaker 6: mix here with all of these big name stars that
Speaker 6: are trying to get new deals and Trey Hendrickson, I mean,
Speaker 6: this defense is an absolute mess. He is the one
Speaker 6: that held anything together. He was the silver lining last
Speaker 6: year and all three levels need help. I just don't
Speaker 6: know like they're gonna have to pay him, or they
Speaker 6: don't and then they draft his replacement.
Speaker 3: But it's that's tough, that defense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's kind of on that fringe right
Speaker 5: now where you look at a Trey Hendrickson and you think, Okay,
Speaker 5: is there anything that we could potentially get out of
Speaker 5: this here at age thirty with so many other players
Speaker 5: that are needed. With t Higgins, you might kind of
Speaker 5: look at that too, although that would really piss Joe
Speaker 5: Burrow off as it stands currently based on his public commentary,
Speaker 5: they have so many issues at every single level, especially
Speaker 5: in the on their defense, but then they have some
Speaker 5: sneaky things they need to fix on offense.
Speaker 4: They have to shore up their guards.
Speaker 5: They obviously have to figure out, you know, what's going
Speaker 5: to happen at tight end.
Speaker 4: The receivers are the looming question for everything.
Speaker 5: And they have pick number seventeen, so that's a very tradable,
Speaker 5: probably backwards pick. There are a couple good, really good
Speaker 5: tight ends that might be available at that pickpoint. They
Speaker 5: have six picks total and about forty three million in
Speaker 5: cap space as it stands right now, but you have
Speaker 5: to think some significant portion of that is already sort
Speaker 5: of being set aside.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think with them and a lot of
Speaker 1: these teams that have owners and you mentioned the state issue,
Speaker 1: but these old school owners that maybe aren't as cash
Speaker 1: rich as some of the newer ones is, they could
Speaker 1: have cap space. But if you're paying that Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: signing bonus this offseason, and you're paying the t Higgins,
Speaker 1: you do got to figure it out. I kind of
Speaker 1: think you trade either t or Hendrickson. Maybe it's awful
Speaker 1: to say, but I think they could survive without either
Speaker 1: one of them. I mean Trey only because he is
Speaker 1: thirty's If you can get a second round pick for
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, I kind of think, like, it's not that
Speaker 1: crazy to me. Yeah, and then Higgins, he's a secondary receiver. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: you have your one. Can you really pay both of them?
Speaker 1: Maybe you can, but that seems that seems tough.
Speaker 5: I think it's a good point to make that maybe
Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson is the player that you could move off from,
Speaker 5: because if you kind of look at it, and I
Speaker 5: sort of visualize it in my mind like a little
Speaker 5: bit of a psychopath as like just this big picture
Speaker 5: where all these little dots are standing right, and so
Speaker 5: you have a massive dot that several other dots can
Speaker 5: fit inside of, and that is Trey Hendrickson like a solar.
Speaker 4: And so you like.
Speaker 2: Dislike the NGS dots that might go down the field
Speaker 2: that when.
Speaker 5: You when you disperse that massive dot that all these
Speaker 5: other dots can fit inside of, all those other dots
Speaker 5: are reallocating across the entirety of the defense essentially, So basically,
Speaker 5: how many other things can this one massive thing get us?
Speaker 5: And that, to me is what Trey Henderson Hendrickson represents
Speaker 5: at his age.
Speaker 4: And I know that my brain is a weird.
Speaker 3: Place, specially at all microdos.
Speaker 5: It's I'm it is really like, how can this giant
Speaker 5: basically asset min us one minute get us a bunch
Speaker 5: of other assets that we desperately need.
Speaker 6: I can't believe they're in this position in the first place.
Speaker 3: It's not like this.
Speaker 6: Came as some surprise, like, oh my god, all three
Speaker 6: are up right now, like they could have avoided this
Speaker 6: and now it is their biggest problem.
Speaker 1: Although I'm glad they didn't just let t walk. That
Speaker 1: would have been crazy. So you mentioned Mikekasiki. Trent Brown,
Speaker 1: by the way, is also a free agent. I don't
Speaker 1: think they'll bring him back that didn't work out. Mike
Speaker 1: Hilton and bj Hill, who have been very productive role
Speaker 1: players for them, are free agents and moves they could make.
Speaker 1: They could cut Jermaine Pratt kind of expect that to happen,
Speaker 1: and he had asked for a trade, one of the
Speaker 1: many people who'd asked for trade. I think they'll cut
Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard, but who's been a starter there for a
Speaker 1: while and really struggled last year. But then if yeah,
Speaker 1: if you cut Sam Hubbard and you don't have Trey
Speaker 1: Henderson Hendrickson, you like don't have any defensive ends, you
Speaker 1: have a really young secondary. They're a team I think
Speaker 1: could add. There's so many good safeties available, Like just be.
Speaker 3: A free agent had like are.
Speaker 2: Had, like an adult in the room, Justin Reed. Just
Speaker 2: bring Justin Reid. I like that. Cool.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the Baltimore Ravens. Wrapping up the AFC
Speaker 1: North put that five minutes on the clock, twelve million
Speaker 1: in cap space, so right in the middle.
Speaker 2: That's actually lower middle.
Speaker 1: They have, as they always do, a million compensatory picks.
Speaker 1: I just love Azzie Newsom's compensatory pick game. An extra
Speaker 1: fourth two fifths and a sixth all compensitory. They they
Speaker 1: just do that every year. They're key three agents. We've
Speaker 1: talked about some of them. Two offensive linemen Ronnie Stanley
Speaker 1: and Patrick McCary, who to me, it was better as
Speaker 1: a swing tackle than he was as their starting guard.
Speaker 1: But either way, that's two spots that are opening up.
Speaker 1: Other than that, not too much, Nelson Aguilar and Brandon Staley.
Speaker 1: My question is actually more about the offense. Ronnie, what
Speaker 1: did I say?
Speaker 4: Said?
Speaker 2: Oh, I was thinking of Brandon Steeve.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, Brandon Staley was an offensive line.
Speaker 1: I don't think he would do well. But Brandon Stevens,
Speaker 1: who who struggled mostly as a as a young starter,
Speaker 1: also free agent, could call. My question is actually about
Speaker 1: the offense. Todd Monkin's been there for two years. It's
Speaker 1: gone really well. But I do think after you've run
Speaker 1: an offense for a couple years, you have to keep
Speaker 1: reinventing yourself. So with the issues they have on the
Speaker 1: offensive line, like what do they do to make Monkin
Speaker 1: Lamar two point zero remain the best offense in the league.
Speaker 1: I don't think they can just kind of run it back.
Speaker 6: I wonder if they end up getting running back to
Speaker 6: help spell some of the carries Dereck Henry. That would
Speaker 6: be like an option for them because it feels like
Speaker 6: otherwise it's going to be kind of a relatively quiet
Speaker 6: off season for them because of looking at what they need,
Speaker 6: they don't have like a ton of glaring needs like
Speaker 6: all of the other teams that we've talked about. I
Speaker 6: think that Ronnie Stanley is like their biggest question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they I think they might be able to get
Speaker 5: Ronnie Stanley back because he's been very clear, I mean
Speaker 5: even took a pay cut last year and to stay
Speaker 5: with the Ravens, and he's made it very clear he
Speaker 5: wants to be a Baltimore Raven for life.
Speaker 4: He obviously works really well.
Speaker 5: With Lamar, had his best season, his really his only right,
Speaker 5: his only healthy season this past year. And I think
Speaker 5: that in part, you saw some of the guard tackle
Speaker 5: market move a little bit even before free agency started,
Speaker 5: because people understood that maybe this is a foregone conclusion,
Speaker 5: and now he's he's one of the best available because
Speaker 5: other teams would have up to his market understanding that
Speaker 5: maybe Ronnie has already spoken for And so I think
Speaker 5: that this is an interesting situation. In terms of the offense,
Speaker 5: I liked that they were a lot of different things
Speaker 5: last year, some of it by necessity at the beginning
Speaker 5: when Lamar was really going run heavy by himself, he
Speaker 5: was doing a lot of the option stuff and really
Speaker 5: didn't look like he fully trusted his receivers. I think
Speaker 5: continuing to improve that receiving corps and continuing to add
Speaker 5: dimension in that way, multiple layers of the passing game
Speaker 5: and flow everything out of that run game the way
Speaker 5: that you really saw him do it in really positive
Speaker 5: spurts last season. There are a million different ways you're
Speaker 5: going to be able to do this if you're Todd
Speaker 5: Monkin with Lamar Jackson, and I think continuing to develop
Speaker 5: that trust, specifically with the receivers is important.
Speaker 1: I think you need another receiver. Zay is not a
Speaker 1: real one drafted. He is a great Day Flowers is
Speaker 1: a great part of a hole and he was a
Speaker 1: pro bowler this year. Don't get me wrong. He was
Speaker 1: like great, But you need other types of receivers around him.
Speaker 1: You ever shot Bateman. There's been some talk that they
Speaker 1: could cut Mark Andrews. I don't see that happening, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that.
Speaker 6: Oh no, I don't think that after the playoffs that
Speaker 6: would be so rough.
Speaker 1: That would be I didn't even think of that. They
Speaker 1: could save twelve million, but he played well down the
Speaker 1: stretch last year. Other than yeah, that game, they have Isaiah.
Speaker 1: Likely they could cut Marcus Williams, who's been a bit
Speaker 1: of a free agent bus for them, but they don't
Speaker 1: really save much, so they might just bring them to camp.
Speaker 1: And then I looked at adafe Oway. They could extend him.
Speaker 1: Do you want to extend him? They actually don't have
Speaker 1: many good young players to extend, which is not a
Speaker 1: great sign. A little surprising. Their needs, to me are
Speaker 1: actually more on defense. I just thought talking offense would
Speaker 1: be interesting, and they needed some edge defenders. They need
Speaker 1: an outside cornerback. They are not afraid to be aggressive
Speaker 1: to kind of swoop in and take like a lower
Speaker 1: like cost free agent that's available at the end of
Speaker 1: free agency, so I think they could be pretty active.
Speaker 2: They could use a cornerback as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is actually kind of a good corner cornerback
Speaker 5: market for sort of that second and third tier corners.
Speaker 5: I saw a lot of them ranked in the middle
Speaker 5: to latter parts of Greg Rosenthal's Drew Rosenhaus approved top
Speaker 5: one hundred one right, And I do think that if
Speaker 5: you're a team that does need immediate help, if you're
Speaker 5: in contention, if you need it quick patch, especially in
Speaker 5: the secondary, this is a really great free agency.
Speaker 1: Your guy, big Play Sleigh now available. Actually he seems
Speaker 1: like such a raven like a one year, five million
Speaker 1: dollar contract and that they sign him to in April
Speaker 1: and then he's out there in the AFC Championship game
Speaker 1: making plays and you're like, what else.
Speaker 5: Kello Witherspoon's other one who to me seems like he
Speaker 5: would be fit over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're too good. Baltimore Ravens, Yeah, we love you
Speaker 2: for it. Come back to the pack.
Speaker 1: Ravens fans are like, can we make a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: maybe next year? That would make a happy Patrick Claven
Speaker 1: I would love to see. I would love to do
Speaker 1: a post AFC Championship game podcast with the Ravens going
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowls with Patrick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be That would be a beautiful thing
Speaker 5: to listen to, to.
Speaker 3: Be in Baltimore for it would be cool.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: Last year, last show rather we listened to to Ron
Speaker 1: wolf Lee announced the Arizona Cardinals making the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: for the first and only time, and uh, it gave
Speaker 1: me chills, like that that moment. We're so far away
Speaker 1: from that moment, and yet.
Speaker 3: It'll come so quick. I get football is so.
Speaker 1: Bad, right, And I was gonna ask Colleen, because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to workshop this a little, do you do you
Speaker 1: think like football is back now?
Speaker 3: No, it's the summer, the summer is starting, summer of Okay.
Speaker 1: It's literally March fourth. It we're so far from.
Speaker 6: The sun to not start of or it's not the
Speaker 6: start of the league year yet, the new league year,
Speaker 6: so it's not back at the end of the year.
Speaker 6: It's pretty back to me Marching March twelfth.
Speaker 1: Like, we had a lot of news today so much
Speaker 1: so we're putting this show right out. So I think
Speaker 1: we're going to be now in the cadence of putting
Speaker 1: these shows out in the late afternoon West Coast time
Speaker 1: because why wait, the news might get blown up.
Speaker 3: Give the people what they want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just let it out there. Let's not worry
Speaker 1: about the people. It's like, oh, you get more downloads
Speaker 1: if you do it in the morning, or I just
Speaker 1: like the consistency you wake.
Speaker 4: Up really get what a bad boy doesn't care about.
Speaker 1: Downloads really excited Ollie Connolly and Patrick Claybahn. On our
Speaker 1: next show, we're going to talk about free agents to
Speaker 1: look at and all the news.
Speaker 2: I guess football it's not it's not back.