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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've always been proud of

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Speaker 1: being able to say the word o diggi zua.

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Speaker 2: It's fair Here in the.

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling podcast studio, I'm with my friends Jordan Rodriege

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Speaker 1: of The Athletic and Colleen Wolf.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 2: See your next Tuesday crew is back?

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Speaker 1: And odiggi Zua is not really a word, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a name. And we will get to the great

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Speaker 1: news for the young defensive tackle Osa Odiggie Zua later

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Speaker 1: in the show, but first I just got to say,

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Speaker 1: how are you guys doing back from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: I'm good.

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Speaker 5: I'm on fumes at this point in the off season,

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Speaker 5: but in a good way. I feel like a ultra marathon.

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Speaker 5: This is about the point I get the second cliff

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Speaker 5: Gel going, Oh, we're good, We're good.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys know that Harry Styles ran the Japan

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Speaker 1: Marathon and he did it under three point thirty, which

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Speaker 1: is quite an impressive time if you know marathon type.

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Speaker 1: I mean for like a normal person, that's wow, pretty outstanding.

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Speaker 6: I mean he's very talented in multiple areas. Yeah, it

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Speaker 6: turns out several.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little jealous I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I know that I was told that news and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to know his time and he was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes faster than I was back doing the San

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Speaker 1: Diego marathon in like twenty.

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Speaker 3: And nine, twenty minutes faster. I love that you're compared.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, you compared yourself to Harry

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Speaker 5: Styles in this phase.

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Speaker 2: Because my time was solid, like three forty seven.

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Speaker 1: You know that that's a solid time getting in under

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Speaker 1: four hours.

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Speaker 2: But he he crushed me.

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Speaker 5: I think with anything in life, it is dangerous to

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Speaker 5: compare yourself to Harry Styles.

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Speaker 6: That's fair, That's what That's what the saying is.

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Speaker 1: You were hosting the combine inside the stadium is I

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Speaker 1: was not there? Nick Shook was there representing NFL Daily.

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Speaker 2: How was that was?

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Speaker 5: That?

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Speaker 6: It was me, Cynthia and Reggie Wayne and I wasn't

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Speaker 6: really sure what to expect with it, and we had

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Speaker 6: so much fun. It was maybe that was my best

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Speaker 6: combine experience. It's because once I realized that we just

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Speaker 6: could mess around with each other and people that were

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Speaker 6: there like, I'm like scouts, let me hear you.

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Speaker 2: Like, it was.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing. Stop watches around yea.

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Speaker 1: Like Reggie Wayne is literally a coach on the Colts,

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Speaker 1: and he has this gig that's wild, right.

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Speaker 6: And he used to work here a few years ago,

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Speaker 6: and so I haven't worked with him then. So it

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Speaker 6: was fun to reunite with Reggie. And then got back

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Speaker 6: to LA. And this morning I dropped off Keema at

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Speaker 6: Good Girls School.

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Speaker 3: So she's gonna do a little board and train, and.

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Speaker 5: I saw she was showing off her vertical, her vertical

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Speaker 5: other prospects.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I am sitting at Combine.

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Speaker 3: Is my new dog.

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Speaker 6: I rescued her from a high kill shelter, the pound

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Speaker 6: right here in LA, and she had everything wrong with her.

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Speaker 6: I did not know that she was this athletic. And

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Speaker 6: I get a call. I ignored it because I didn't

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Speaker 6: know the number. And I see the voicemail popping up

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Speaker 6: on my phone and it says, I think we have

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Speaker 6: your dog in our backyard.

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Speaker 3: Can you give me a call back.

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Speaker 6: I'm in Indianapolis, and I'm like, oh my god. So

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Speaker 6: I call and I'm like, yeah, you have Keema.

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 6: She was supposed to be with a dog sitter. She

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Speaker 6: must have got out. Let me call the dog sitter.

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Speaker 6: And so then I called the dog sitter, and she's

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Speaker 6: like beside herself, Oh okay, are thing's gonna be fine here?

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Speaker 6: She's like, I just didn't think that there was any

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Speaker 3: We have six foot fences.

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Speaker 6: And then she sent me photos of Keema hopping the

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Speaker 3: Dang, like, no problem whatsoever?

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 6: So you know she could be a show dog at

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Speaker 2: To jump, right, she could she could do some training.

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Speaker 1: I forget what receiver it was said, like an embarrassingly

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Speaker 3: She's got hops.

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Speaker 5: So when you say you're sending her to good girls school,

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Speaker 5: you're really sending her to Exos training facility in Phoenix, Annesona.

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Speaker 4: Is there in girls.

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Speaker 1: School that would be amazing. Also, if anyone who picks

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Speaker 1: the people for NFL events, which is you know how

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Speaker 1: you do these? You do it internationally, you do the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I know I'm quote unquote unattractive and my

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Speaker 1: voice is quote unquote annoying.

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Speaker 2: I'm available, don't talk about my friend.

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Speaker 1: I'm available. I feel like it's always all women. It's

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Speaker 3: How about so many women in sports. It's crazy.

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Speaker 5: And take some woman's opportunity, wouldn't that be nice?

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Speaker 2: We got to balance this out. I think we need

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Speaker 2: to balance this out.

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Speaker 1: We got a big show, A lot of news happened

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. We were gonna like hold the show and

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Speaker 1: post it overnight, but there's too much news.

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Speaker 2: It's hot. We got to get it out there now.

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Speaker 1: It's hot, it's happening for the next week and a half,

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Speaker 1: two weeks.

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Speaker 2: News every day.

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Speaker 1: The day Loge has begun, so we will do all

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Speaker 1: of that news, and we will also preview the offseason

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Speaker 1: in the AFC North. But let's start where we do

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Speaker 1: so often on Tuesdays. It feels like with Sam Donald,

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Speaker 1: t Higgins and Tray Smith. We kind of knew that

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Speaker 1: was happening. Sam Donald did not get one, and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of reporting around him not getting one. Colleen

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Speaker 1: that indicates there's a decent chance he could return to Minnesota.

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Speaker 6: I think he probably will return to Soda. They weren't

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Speaker 6: comfortable with the forty million dollar tag, so they're trying

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Speaker 6: to get a deal done for less than that, the

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Speaker 6: problem is with Sam Donald.

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Speaker 3: The market right now.

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Speaker 6: There's not a lot of options of veteran quarterbacks, and

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Speaker 6: situation in the AFC North preview. However, I just feel

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Speaker 6: like it's a little tough unless Sam Donald really wants

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is a win win.

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Speaker 5: I think if he ultimately we don't know where JJ

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Speaker 4: I also think that this is a win win.

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Speaker 5: For both sides because if the tag for one year

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Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield extension previously, where it was three for one hundred,

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Speaker 5: but it was really only forty guaranteed at signing and

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Speaker 5: that for one year. You want to do that for

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Speaker 5: don't want to sit in a tag situation for about

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Speaker 5: clearly thrives there. There was some reporting the other teams

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Speaker 2: Heated up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Vic, my colleagues.

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Speaker 5: Victate friend to Sean Reid reported that last week, and

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Speaker 5: so I think it's like, Okay, you're sort of looking

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Speaker 5: like there's a healthy enough relationship between Sam Donald and

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Speaker 5: KOs See, for example, to be able to have that

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Speaker 4: You can do it with us. We might move you

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Speaker 1: I wonder if there just isn't as big a market

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think we know no one's given

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Speaker 1: And then you have to have someone that really loves

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Speaker 2: There's kind of been or us or a colleagues.

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna find anyone that loves them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, those last two games really hurt him.

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Speaker 1: Mike Silver, another one of your colleagues, said he believed

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Speaker 1: that Darnold was coming back if it wasn't for those

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Speaker 1: like there's a decent chance.

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Speaker 3: I think he's coming back.

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Speaker 1: They do love him. I think that What does that

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean the injury, you're gonna it's a it's

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Speaker 5: a long timeline for recovery, but then also on ramping

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Speaker 5: him back up. I mean, we're still so far away

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Speaker 5: from spring practices, from them getting you know, an understanding

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Speaker 2: Happen Torn Meniscus, but he had to have a follow up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the other The other thing, though, I think

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Speaker 5: this is smart that other teams are this play out

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Speaker 6: It's really crazy that Sam Donald is at the top

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Speaker 1: It's really not that crazy, actually, because I don't necessarily

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Speaker 5: For them, and this is like the best problem for

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Speaker 5: this is not stressful. This is so much less stressful

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Speaker 3: It's so funny.

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Speaker 2: To love me.

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Speaker 3: Well, put yourself out there more, I guess.

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Speaker 1: One. Barkley, surprising news on Tuesday, signed a two year

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Speaker 2: That's pretty badass.

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Speaker 3: And that's what Howie Roseven does.

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Speaker 5: Early early, exactly two years early, he had two years

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Speaker 2: This was just like, hey man, that was the best

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Speaker 6: He earned it, he deserves it, and it also is

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Speaker 6: he's locked up until locked in, locked up till twenty

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Speaker 1: He had twenty six guaranteed last year. It's basically the

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Speaker 1: And let's normalize this. We didn't have to give you

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Speaker 1: That almost never happens in the NFL. Max Crosby actually

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Speaker 5: It also never happens anywhere, you know what, you know

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Speaker 5: what I feel like. I love what Howie Roseman and

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Speaker 5: And this is that situation where just because it's Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 6: He creates cap flexibility with the move as well.

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Speaker 3: So it's a win.

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Speaker 1: Win that's huge. You know, there is there is a

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Speaker 3: He's underpaid.

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Speaker 1: If you include the one hundred touches that he had

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. He earned all that money.

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Speaker 5: One of the real winners of free agency and the

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: If the Colts said just won a few more games,

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Speaker 6: Back in on the Colts again after Donald Lucas Oil Stadium.

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Speaker 5: Donald's gonna have a nice cushy spot for himself with

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Speaker 4: And again, you know, it's.

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Speaker 1: Pretty cool college and like the Sixers. Once they brought

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Speaker 3: Great, go do an NFL event.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Jets. They cut DeVante Adams. Expected

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Speaker 2: I love that. Landing spots, any landing spots.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any spots we'd like to put to Montana.

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Speaker 5: The forty nine, I mean, the West Coast thing is real.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this is the three of us.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I want to diagnose this, Greg because my favorite

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Speaker 5: part of this brutal crop and this photo is.

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Speaker 2: I didn't crap it. The NFL media crapped it.

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Speaker 5: That's what they sent the caption that says parentheses from

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Speaker 5: when I was there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're not in this show was why it seemed confusing. Unfortunately,

450
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Speaker 1: this interview was in the interview we didn't I didn't

451
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Speaker 1: have I didn't have a a pick that that made

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Speaker 1: sense to send out.

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Speaker 2: So I just was like, here's one from me.

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Speaker 4: That's our favorite moment from the combine. To be quite honest,

455
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Speaker 4: but we're.

456
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Speaker 3: Just holding you accountable.

457
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Speaker 1: NFL media cropped you. We did have some other ones.

458
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Speaker 5: Shifting the blame, but luck getting an event.

459
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Speaker 4: Now you just blamed NFIL media.

460
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Speaker 2: Well that's different.

461
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Speaker 5: Poles did talk to us about how he was really

462
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Speaker 5: ready to spend and invest in overhauling this offensive line.

463
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Speaker 5: Obviously their interior was a disaster. Jonah Jackson can play

464
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Speaker 5: guard or actually he can play center as well.

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Speaker 4: Kind of depends on where they'll want.

466
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Speaker 3: To put up both guard spots.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he.

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Speaker 5: Played well, he can play both guard spots, but last

469
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Speaker 5: year he played both left guard and center, and he

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Speaker 5: has familiarity with Ben Johnson, and a source told me

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Speaker 5: that he is taking on the Bears are taking on

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Speaker 5: his salary. So that was really why the Rams wanted

473
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Speaker 5: to offload him, was they were they signed him to

474
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Speaker 5: a three year, fifty one million dollars contract to not.

475
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Speaker 1: Play well and he was a disaster for them. Ultimately,

476
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Speaker 1: it's unfortunate, but he'll be motivated to get better and

477
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Speaker 1: it's a system that he knows well with Ben Johnson

478
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Speaker 1: makes sense for what the for everyone, good good move

479
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Speaker 1: because ultimately nine million dollars actually isn't that much money

480
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Speaker 1: for like a one year deal, and there's just not

481
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Speaker 1: in any guards that are going to be available in

482
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Speaker 1: the in the free agency period. It will be in

483
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Speaker 1: the draft. The Cowboys sign osa Odigi's to a four year,

484
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Speaker 1: eighty million dollar contract, fifty eight million dollars of that guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: You know, the insiders are all patting the Cowboys on

486
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Speaker 1: the back. Oh they're saving money, and you know they're

487
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Speaker 1: saving money that they didn't have to tag them. It's like, yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: you could have signed him much earlier and saved a

489
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Speaker 1: lot more money. So I'm not going to give them

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Speaker 1: that much credit, but it is a step in the

491
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Speaker 1: right direction that they're not letting these contracts go until the.

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Speaker 2: Very last minute. So like a small they're learning little.

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Speaker 6: Golf baby steps, like you don't just automatically go that route,

494
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Speaker 6: like you have to slowly, I think, yeah.

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Speaker 5: To find a pen. You know, they haven't used theirs

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Speaker 5: in a while, exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's tricky defensive tackles. They developed so slowly that a

498
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Speaker 1: lot of times their fourth year they really break out

499
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Speaker 1: and then it kind of catches the team not unawares,

500
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Speaker 1: but their value goes up a ton Madam Week.

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Speaker 2: It was a good recent example.

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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence was another one, like Chris Jones, guys who

503
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Speaker 1: they really don't improve till their fourth year. And Odiggy

504
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Speaker 1: Zoo was in the top you know five in total pressures.

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Speaker 1: He fits that Eberfluce offense. So that is a good move.

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Speaker 1: I'm making fun of the Cowboys, but that's starts up next. Yes,

507
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Speaker 1: and they didn't have to you know, per year. They

508
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Speaker 1: did get it under what the franchise number would have.

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Speaker 1: And just another couple quick items that the Eagles released

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Speaker 1: James Bradberry. Yeah, after Darius Slide tough that he will

511
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Speaker 1: be remembered for the penalty. That a little questionable call

512
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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl is.

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Speaker 3: An all pro.

514
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Speaker 6: He switched from safety when the cornerback room was filled

515
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Speaker 6: to the gills. He's turned into a mentor for the

516
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Speaker 6: younger players. Yeah, that's what I'm going to remember.

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Speaker 4: Greg.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember him playing any safety. That was like

519
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Speaker 1: a story, but he just sort of watched Alan. I

520
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Speaker 1: don't know why I am mean to James Bradbury. I

521
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Speaker 1: love James Bradbury.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's all right, you're internalizing and lashing out.

523
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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that is what it is.

524
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Speaker 1: I had him super high on the top one of

525
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Speaker 1: one a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: Bradberry.

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Speaker 1: The Jets are letting Alan Lazard seek a trade so

528
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Speaker 1: he might be cut. Brandon McManus quietly solved the years

529
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Speaker 1: long Packers kicker issue last year, and so they signed

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Speaker 1: him to a three year deal. The Seahawks cut Draymont Jones,

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Speaker 1: Robertson Harris, Rayshawn Jenkins, and George. Draymont Jones was very

532
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Speaker 1: high on my top one oh one a couple of

533
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Speaker 1: years ago and was a total bust for the Seahawks.

534
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Speaker 1: Not the profile of guys who are typically busted in

535
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Speaker 1: free agency, like he was a young, ascending player, but

536
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Speaker 1: he did not play well for them at all. I'm

537
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Speaker 1: not even gonna put him on my top one on one.

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Speaker 1: It really worked out so poorly over there. And then

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Speaker 1: finally in the news, just quickly, there was a report

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Speaker 1: by Front Office Sports that Bill Belichick and UNC were

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Speaker 1: going to be the new season of Hard Knocks, which

542
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Speaker 1: I was waiting to have my take on, which was,

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Speaker 1: the world does not need more Michael Lombardi on our

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Speaker 1: television screen.

545
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Speaker 2: And it turns.

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Speaker 1: Out that's not gonna happen. It's not happening, like they

547
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Speaker 1: couldn't close the deal. NFL Media actually released the statement

548
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Speaker 1: about it that it's not gonna happen.

549
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Speaker 2: I don't know why, but we all lose out.

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Speaker 5: Man, how Hard Knocks has fallen since last season, and

551
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Speaker 5: I always enjoy it. I just I understand that it's

552
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Speaker 5: sort of like, you know, a cursed gift here at

553
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Speaker 5: this point.

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Speaker 1: The off season one, if it turns out to be

555
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Speaker 1: one and done, was a great enterprise.

556
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Speaker 2: It was a great effort.

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Speaker 1: I think people are over almost over, you know, counting

558
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Speaker 1: how much the Giants looked bad in it.

559
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Speaker 2: But because it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of things about it that were

561
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Speaker 1: just like compelling television that wasn't making it look like

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Speaker 1: an idiot.

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Speaker 2: There was that too.

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Speaker 5: There were executives like having these group chats together saying like, Okay,

565
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Speaker 5: what did you think that was? Was that as bad

566
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Speaker 5: as it seemed to us, like we would never want that,

567
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Speaker 5: Like not judging them per se, but saying like, man,

568
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Speaker 5: how could you say yes to this in the future,

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Speaker 5: if if that's going to happen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it would have been interesting, all

571
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Speaker 1: jokes aside to watch this UNC thing, but it didn't

572
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Speaker 1: get off the ground. Unfortunately. You know what did our

573
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Speaker 1: division preview series? We're going to do that after the break.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk a little AFC North, maybe

575
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Speaker 1: the best division in football, maybe so.

576
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Speaker 2: You have power rounds.

577
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Speaker 3: That kind of bowls them down.

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, I don't know if you heard

579
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Speaker 1: Colleen Jordan, we're running like a sleeker, more efficient NFL Daily.

580
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Speaker 2: Here in the off season.

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Speaker 6: Okay, that sounds efficient, but like she maybe I don't.

582
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Speaker 1: Know, bikini bod for spring no more, like I'm trying

583
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Speaker 1: to keep the show to double digits, like fifty minutes since.

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Speaker 2: They are under an hour.

585
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Speaker 3: Good luck, where are we out right?

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Speaker 1: That's what we've been doing. We're gonna do the AFC North.

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Speaker 1: We're going to look ahead to the off season. I'm

588
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Speaker 1: looking forward to tomorrow's show too. We're going to talk

589
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Speaker 1: about free agents we are really looking for. But this

590
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Speaker 1: will be more team centered. I will start. Let's put

591
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Speaker 1: five minutes on the clock for the Cleveland Browns. They

592
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Speaker 1: have the number to overall pick. Of course, they have

593
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Speaker 1: an extra third round pick because of that Amari Cooper trade.

594
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Speaker 2: Remember that.

595
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they randomly have five sixth round picks. I just

596
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Speaker 1: wanted to point that out. And they are twenty three

597
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: million dollars over the cap, so they're in as much

598
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Speaker 1: trouble as any team in terms of cap space. They

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Speaker 1: have a lot going on that we can get into.

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Speaker 1: But I will start the conversation just with the question

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Speaker 1: because I think it informs everything we talk about with them.

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Speaker 2: How much do they want to blow it up?

603
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Speaker 1: Because there are levels to it, but there are a

604
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Speaker 1: lot of players on this team that are aging and

605
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Speaker 1: have high cap numbers, Like do they kind of blow

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Speaker 1: it up?

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Speaker 2: Do they not blow it up at all? How much

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Speaker 2: do they want them.

609
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Speaker 3: And their best player is demanding to be traded.

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Speaker 6: Well that too, yeah, to leave, So that leaves massive

611
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 6: holes at quarterback, also running back because Nick Chubb is

612
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Speaker 6: a free agent too, and he broke his foot in

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Speaker 6: Week fifteen, but and wide receiver and have no money.

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Speaker 3: So there's like, I don't, I don't I think you

615
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Speaker 3: have to blow it up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they actually are gonna, I think, open up almost

617
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 5: forty million in additional money once they again restructure the

618
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 5: contract they never should have signed with Deshaun Watson, so

619
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Speaker 5: that still won't be like a ton of flexibility to

620
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Speaker 5: the point where it's not dramatic enough a change to

621
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Speaker 5: not consider like legitimately, like you guys are saying, blowing

622
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Speaker 5: this thing up, getting recouping some picks for Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 4: I know they that.

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Speaker 5: Andrew Berry has been super emphatic, both at the podium

625
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Speaker 5: and then inside scrums with reporters about how they're not

626
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Speaker 5: trading them. They're not trading them, they're not trading But

627
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Speaker 5: when you're looking at your books over the next couple

628
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Speaker 5: of years, when you're deciding if you do like or

629
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Speaker 5: even love one of these young quarterbacks that are coming

630
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Speaker 5: up in the draft class or even a bridge, like

631
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Speaker 5: the proposition of acquiring your bridge and then getting to

632
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Speaker 5: next year, like you are looking at potentially a multi

633
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Speaker 5: year overhaul, And I think once they face the reality

634
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Speaker 5: of that, you're going to start to see them, you know,

635
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Speaker 5: finally shed that that dead weight that they have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned Andrew Berry being emphatic, and that's true

637
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Speaker 1: with his words. But I heard the great Danny Heifitz

638
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Speaker 1: refer to Andrew Berry as an energy vampire.

639
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Speaker 2: Oh no, he had three different gms. I believe that we're.

640
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Just sort of sucks the life out of a press

641
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Speaker 1: conference or the room that he's in, and I hear

642
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: that the reality they've sucked the life out of this organization.

643
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Speaker 1: This is the one of the greatest fan bases ever

644
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Speaker 1: and it's tough to root for them. Part of the

645
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: reason I'm asking it if they should blow it up

646
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Speaker 1: or not is because here's a list of the players

647
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Speaker 1: that I think qualify as like, hmm, do they make

648
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: sense on a longer timeline. Garrett, you get a ton

649
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Speaker 1: of picks for him. Jack Conklin, that's more just a

650
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Speaker 1: money and injury thing, But he is up there and

651
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: has had a ton of injuries, big salary, Joel Botonio,

652
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Speaker 1: who is considering retirement, so that might be more up

653
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Speaker 1: to him, big salary. Jeremiah Ousu Kormoa. That's just unfortunate.

654
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Speaker 1: He's coming back from a big injury. They just have

655
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Speaker 1: to kind of wait and see. That could be like

656
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Speaker 1: a career threatning thing. Denzel Ward who said he wants

657
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Speaker 1: to leave with Miles Garrett. Oh, if Garrett goes and

658
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Speaker 1: then they you know, there's always a question of these

659
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Speaker 1: cornerbacks Martin Emerson, Greg Newsome. So it's just a lot

660
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Speaker 1: of different players. They also have some free agents. You

661
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Speaker 1: mentioned Chubb, Jameis Winson's a free agent, Elijah Moore, Jedrick Wills.

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Speaker 1: I would expect all of those guys to leave. One

663
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Speaker 1: thing they do have though, Colleen is a pretty good

664
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Speaker 1: defense and like they're all coming back on paper.

665
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Speaker 2: So there is another route where.

666
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Speaker 1: You move up to draft cam Ward one spot instead

667
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Speaker 1: of and you keep Miles Garrett and suddenly like that's

668
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: that's your future.

669
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Speaker 6: You have to be in love with cam Ward though,

670
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Speaker 6: and it sounds like it's just not as strong of

671
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 6: a quarterback class at all as years passed, and so

672
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Speaker 6: then you're moving up, which means you're losing draft capital

673
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Speaker 6: when you really need it. I think that they should

674
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 6: move back, get some picks, and then blow the whole

675
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Speaker 6: thing up. I mean, they are so far over the

676
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 6: cap at this point, and it's for bad teams, so

677
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 6: it's not even like they're spending a lot of money

678
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 6: and it's paying off. It feels like forever ago they

679
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Speaker 6: were in the playoffs with Joe Fan.

680
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: You know it, just as an aside, if they cut

681
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: j Shahn Watson right now, they would have one hundred

682
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: and seventy two million dollars in dead money.

683
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Speaker 3: Ooh party.

684
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 5: You know what I would almost say, I would almost

685
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 5: say all of these moves or potential moves have to

686
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Speaker 5: happen in tandem.

687
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Speaker 2: You can't.

688
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: You can't half ass any of this. Forgive my French.

689
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: I feel like you have to.

690
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 5: If you're going to decide you're going to move from

691
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward, you also in tandem have

692
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 5: to commit to probably trading back that second overall pick,

693
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 5: because then you could recoup even more capital gut and

694
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 5: completely overhaul your roster top to bottom and think about

695
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 5: quarterback next year and sign a veteran in a Bridge

696
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 5: this year.

697
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: But all of it has to happen together.

698
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 5: You can't just do one or another trade Miles Garrett

699
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: and then see if you can maybe get lucky for

700
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 5: cam Ward.

701
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: It just won't work like that.

702
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 5: I think they have to fully commit to ripping the

703
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 5: band aid off.

704
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: My guess is they try to win because the GM

705
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: and coach will be fired if they think long. So

706
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: I don't think they will blow it up. Let's talk

707
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: about a team that does not need to blow it up.

708
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: It's always in the mix, but maybe not as much

709
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: as their fans want them to be. That's the Pittsburgh Steelers.

710
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolfe, get us.

711
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: Good, all right.

712
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 6: They have the twenty first overall pick. They also have

713
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 6: picks in the second and third round. Nothing in the

714
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 6: fourth though, And for them, it's the same question that

715
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 6: they had last year at this very time, once again,

716
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 6: who was your quarterback?

717
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Speaker 1: Like?

718
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 3: I don't I know.

719
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 6: Ian Rappaport came out with the report that they're leaning

720
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 6: heavily towards Justin Fields that he's probably likely the quarterback

721
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 6: of the Steelers, more likely than Russell Wilson, which the

722
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 6: team already sort of chose. Russell Wilson over Justin Fields.

723
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Speaker 6: At least they did that last year and then they

724
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Speaker 6: finished the season zero to five, including that playoff game.

725
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 6: But I guess Justin Fields would be a cheaper option

726
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 6: for them. It's just I don't know if either option

727
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 6: is actually good.

728
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: This is just a small side, but what was your

729
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: favorite moment from the last two Pittsburgh Steelers playoff appearances?

730
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: Damn?

731
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: I just mean, like, has any team been in the

732
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: playoffs and been more forgetful? If you're watching on YouTube,

733
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Speaker 1: our guy you know behind this where you're going with

734
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Speaker 1: Chris is doing great work with the graphics, and it

735
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Speaker 1: says defeated by the Ravens twenty fourth, I was like, oh, yeah,

736
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: I forgot they were in the playoffs, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

737
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, sort of just an entrance and then an exit

738
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 5: with a whimper. The only number I think that they

739
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 5: should be looking at when it comes to Justin Fields,

740
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 5: who potentially could be very much a cheaper option, is

741
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 5: that he turns twenty six years old on March fifth.

742
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 5: We are recording on March fourth, so obviously he is

743
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: still super super young. And I think stats whatever, you

744
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 5: have a guy who is you know who you understand

745
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 5: the locker room's reaction to him, and I think that

746
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 5: you have to just commit to a young player who

747
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 5: still has, in my opinion, untapped potential, who is again

748
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 5: only twenty six years old.

749
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Speaker 6: They also have a similar issue at running back because

750
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 6: both Naji Harris and Jalen Warren are free agents.

751
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 2: Dalen Warren's restriction they did free.

752
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 6: Agent, he would be obviously the cheaper option there. Wide

753
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 6: receiver doesn't look great. Mike Williams was a non factor,

754
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 6: so they'll be out. George Pickens is on the last

755
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 6: year of his rookie deal. Van Jefferson's a free agent,

756
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 6: and then on the other side of the ball, they're

757
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 6: passing defense. Like their overall defense was good, but their

758
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 6: pass coverage was the liability for them. And their number

759
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 6: two quarterback, Dante Jackson, is a free agent. They can

760
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 6: probably upgrade at nickel two, but they have quite a

761
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 6: few places where they need some upgrades.

762
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: Now they have fifty nine million dollars in cap space,

763
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: so they are.

764
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Speaker 5: That's going to go to TJ. Wade, who apparently he's

765
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 5: looking for a new contract.

766
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Speaker 1: That's a lot that's more than they can spend, and

767
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: they're not traditionally huge spenders. They're kind of like middle

768
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: to lower tier spenders in free agency. But they could

769
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: use cornerback like an a Sante Samuel Jr. Or a

770
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: DJ Reid like this would be a spot to go for.

771
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: Left tackle could be a spot. Brogerick Jones they drafted

772
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. He hasn't played well for them.

773
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: And then yeah, they have some other key freads. James

774
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Daniels actually played well for them when he was at guard,

775
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna let him go. They they're

776
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: going young there. Naja Harris. You mentioned Dan Moore there,

777
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: they're left tackle. He's probably gone. Camp Sutton was another

778
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: guy who played a lot for them, and then I

779
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: threw out the possibility a couple of weeks ago.

780
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. Just keep an eye on Minka Fitzpatrick.

781
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: You just get a set a feeling, just get a

782
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: sense that like there's something it's time funky there.

783
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: But the Steelers always have the same needs.

784
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: It's always their cornerbacks, and it's always like their wide receive.

785
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: Lately it's their wide receiver depth.

786
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: They actually have solved mostly their their quarterback, offensive line

787
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: and quarterback.

788
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: I was just.

789
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 6: Thinking what if Derek Carr ends up becoming available.

790
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: Derek Carr and Art Smith I interesting.

791
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: I believe the same. So we hadn't talked about this.

792
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up in the show. I believe

793
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: the Saints at the combine Mickey Loomis. They didn't have

794
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: a podium session, but they talked to their local board.

795
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: They were about as strong as possible that Derek Carr

796
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: is definitely their quarterback.

797
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: And you never know. It's line season.

798
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: I love rumor season, and I hate it too.

799
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: In this case, I believe him because he's always been

800
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis's guy. And I think they're going to kick

801
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: the can, but that would make some sense. And yet

802
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: I do like the fields thing.

803
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 5: I keep an eye on former Jets corner Penny free

804
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 5: agent DJ Reid as a potential fit with the Steelers again,

805
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 5: who do need help in their defensive backfield. I think

806
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 5: Stefan Diggs is kind of a sneaky fit for the

807
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 5: Steelers if they do lose Van Jefferson, you're gonna need

808
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 5: sort of a downfield threat.

809
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: You're going to be a player who can do that.

810
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 5: They really they need to overhaul that room and partner

811
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 5: the I think the right people with George Pickens, people

812
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 5: who can come in and sort of say, hey, this

813
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 5: is being a pro, this is what we do.

814
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 4: They've obviously kept.

815
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 5: That together by a thread like they often do so

816
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 5: until now. And I do think that, you know, Stefan Diggs,

817
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 5: when he kind of goes into that mercenary mode, he

818
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 5: can really elevate, he can really thrive.

819
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are other two wide receivers on the roster

820
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: are Calvin Austin's kind of a gadget player and Roman Wilson,

821
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: who was a third round pick a year ago. Let's

822
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: move on to the Bengals. Fascinating team. He put the

823
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: five minutes on the clock for Jordan.

824
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 5: You know, there are so many infrastructural questions with the

825
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 5: Cincinnati Bengals, some of which are happening on the field,

826
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 5: some of which are happening off the field in terms

827
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 5: of the stadium, the ongoing stadium negotiation. The big question

828
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 5: on the field for the Bengals is who will they

829
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 5: actually pay Slash extend. And you know they could still

830
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 5: trade t Higgins even though he got the tag. I

831
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 5: would actually love to be a fly on the wall

832
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 5: wondering like how he really felt about that getting the tag.

833
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 5: But Trey Hendrickson still up in the air, Jamar Chase

834
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 5: still up in the arn. Duke Tobin was at the

835
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 5: combine last week talking about how he expects to make

836
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase quote unquote the highest paid receiver in football,

837
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 5: which could have been done already.

838
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: And they will say, hey, we saved the money by

839
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: not giving him that money last year. That's sort of

840
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: how the Bengals operate in terms of their free agents.

841
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: They have spent a lot of cash to be fair

842
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: and not well necessarily lately. I do think Jamar Chase

843
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: gets that money. The rest of it, I have no idea.

844
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Speaker 1: They're a very difficult team to predict.

845
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, because also MIKEA Sicki is a free age yes

846
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 6: as well, that's a huge deal. I feel like that's

847
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 6: kind of under the radar and getting lost in the

848
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 6: mix here with all of these big name stars that

849
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 6: are trying to get new deals and Trey Hendrickson, I mean,

850
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 6: this defense is an absolute mess. He is the one

851
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 6: that held anything together. He was the silver lining last

852
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 6: year and all three levels need help. I just don't

853
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 6: know like they're gonna have to pay him, or they

854
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 6: don't and then they draft his replacement.

855
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 3: But it's that's tough, that defense.

856
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's kind of on that fringe right

857
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 5: now where you look at a Trey Hendrickson and you think, Okay,

858
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 5: is there anything that we could potentially get out of

859
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 5: this here at age thirty with so many other players

860
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 5: that are needed. With t Higgins, you might kind of

861
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 5: look at that too, although that would really piss Joe

862
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 5: Burrow off as it stands currently based on his public commentary,

863
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 5: they have so many issues at every single level, especially

864
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 5: in the on their defense, but then they have some

865
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 5: sneaky things they need to fix on offense.

866
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: They have to shore up their guards.

867
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Speaker 5: They obviously have to figure out, you know, what's going

868
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 5: to happen at tight end.

869
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 4: The receivers are the looming question for everything.

870
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 5: And they have pick number seventeen, so that's a very tradable,

871
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 5: probably backwards pick. There are a couple good, really good

872
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 5: tight ends that might be available at that pickpoint. They

873
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 5: have six picks total and about forty three million in

874
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 5: cap space as it stands right now, but you have

875
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 5: to think some significant portion of that is already sort

876
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 5: of being set aside.

877
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: Right now.

878
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think with them and a lot of

879
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: these teams that have owners and you mentioned the state issue,

880
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: but these old school owners that maybe aren't as cash

881
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: rich as some of the newer ones is, they could

882
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: have cap space. But if you're paying that Jamar Chase

883
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: signing bonus this offseason, and you're paying the t Higgins,

884
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: you do got to figure it out. I kind of

885
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: think you trade either t or Hendrickson. Maybe it's awful

886
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: to say, but I think they could survive without either

887
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: one of them. I mean Trey only because he is

888
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: thirty's If you can get a second round pick for

889
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, I kind of think, like, it's not that

890
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: crazy to me. Yeah, and then Higgins, he's a secondary receiver. Ultimately,

891
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: you have your one. Can you really pay both of them?

892
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: Maybe you can, but that seems that seems tough.

893
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 5: I think it's a good point to make that maybe

894
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson is the player that you could move off from,

895
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 5: because if you kind of look at it, and I

896
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 5: sort of visualize it in my mind like a little

897
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 5: bit of a psychopath as like just this big picture

898
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 5: where all these little dots are standing right, and so

899
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: you have a massive dot that several other dots can

900
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 5: fit inside of, and that is Trey Hendrickson like a solar.

901
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: And so you like.

902
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: Dislike the NGS dots that might go down the field

903
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: that when.

904
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 5: You when you disperse that massive dot that all these

905
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 5: other dots can fit inside of, all those other dots

906
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 5: are reallocating across the entirety of the defense essentially, So basically,

907
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 5: how many other things can this one massive thing get us?

908
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 5: And that, to me is what Trey Henderson Hendrickson represents

909
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 5: at his age.

910
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 4: And I know that my brain is a weird.

911
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: Place, specially at all microdos.

912
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 5: It's I'm it is really like, how can this giant

913
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 5: basically asset min us one minute get us a bunch

914
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: of other assets that we desperately need.

915
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 6: I can't believe they're in this position in the first place.

916
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: It's not like this.

917
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 6: Came as some surprise, like, oh my god, all three

918
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 6: are up right now, like they could have avoided this

919
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 6: and now it is their biggest problem.

920
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: Although I'm glad they didn't just let t walk. That

921
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: would have been crazy. So you mentioned Mikekasiki. Trent Brown,

922
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: by the way, is also a free agent. I don't

923
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: think they'll bring him back that didn't work out. Mike

924
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: Hilton and bj Hill, who have been very productive role

925
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: players for them, are free agents and moves they could make.

926
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: They could cut Jermaine Pratt kind of expect that to happen,

927
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: and he had asked for a trade, one of the

928
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: many people who'd asked for trade. I think they'll cut

929
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard, but who's been a starter there for a

930
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: while and really struggled last year. But then if yeah,

931
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: if you cut Sam Hubbard and you don't have Trey

932
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: Henderson Hendrickson, you like don't have any defensive ends, you

933
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: have a really young secondary. They're a team I think

934
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: could add. There's so many good safeties available, Like just be.

935
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: A free agent had like are.

936
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: Had, like an adult in the room, Justin Reed. Just

937
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: bring Justin Reid. I like that. Cool.

938
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: Let's go to the Baltimore Ravens. Wrapping up the AFC

939
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: North put that five minutes on the clock, twelve million

940
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: in cap space, so right in the middle.

941
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: That's actually lower middle.

942
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: They have, as they always do, a million compensatory picks.

943
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: I just love Azzie Newsom's compensatory pick game. An extra

944
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: fourth two fifths and a sixth all compensitory. They they

945
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: just do that every year. They're key three agents. We've

946
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: talked about some of them. Two offensive linemen Ronnie Stanley

947
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: and Patrick McCary, who to me, it was better as

948
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: a swing tackle than he was as their starting guard.

949
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: But either way, that's two spots that are opening up.

950
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: Other than that, not too much, Nelson Aguilar and Brandon Staley.

951
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: My question is actually more about the offense. Ronnie, what

952
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: did I say?

953
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 4: Said?

954
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I was thinking of Brandon Steeve.

955
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, Brandon Staley was an offensive line.

956
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't think he would do well. But Brandon Stevens,

957
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: who who struggled mostly as a as a young starter,

958
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: also free agent, could call. My question is actually about

959
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: the offense. Todd Monkin's been there for two years. It's

960
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: gone really well. But I do think after you've run

961
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: an offense for a couple years, you have to keep

962
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: reinventing yourself. So with the issues they have on the

963
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: offensive line, like what do they do to make Monkin

964
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: Lamar two point zero remain the best offense in the league.

965
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: I don't think they can just kind of run it back.

966
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 6: I wonder if they end up getting running back to

967
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 6: help spell some of the carries Dereck Henry. That would

968
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 6: be like an option for them because it feels like

969
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 6: otherwise it's going to be kind of a relatively quiet

970
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 6: off season for them because of looking at what they need,

971
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 6: they don't have like a ton of glaring needs like

972
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 6: all of the other teams that we've talked about. I

973
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 6: think that Ronnie Stanley is like their biggest question.

974
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, they I think they might be able to get

975
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 5: Ronnie Stanley back because he's been very clear, I mean

976
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 5: even took a pay cut last year and to stay

977
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 5: with the Ravens, and he's made it very clear he

978
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 5: wants to be a Baltimore Raven for life.

979
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 4: He obviously works really well.

980
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 5: With Lamar, had his best season, his really his only right,

981
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: his only healthy season this past year. And I think

982
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 5: that in part, you saw some of the guard tackle

983
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 5: market move a little bit even before free agency started,

984
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 5: because people understood that maybe this is a foregone conclusion,

985
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 5: and now he's he's one of the best available because

986
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 5: other teams would have up to his market understanding that

987
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 5: maybe Ronnie has already spoken for And so I think

988
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 5: that this is an interesting situation. In terms of the offense,

989
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 5: I liked that they were a lot of different things

990
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 5: last year, some of it by necessity at the beginning

991
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 5: when Lamar was really going run heavy by himself, he

992
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 5: was doing a lot of the option stuff and really

993
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 5: didn't look like he fully trusted his receivers. I think

994
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 5: continuing to improve that receiving corps and continuing to add

995
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 5: dimension in that way, multiple layers of the passing game

996
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 5: and flow everything out of that run game the way

997
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: that you really saw him do it in really positive

998
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 5: spurts last season. There are a million different ways you're

999
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 5: going to be able to do this if you're Todd

1000
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 5: Monkin with Lamar Jackson, and I think continuing to develop

1001
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 5: that trust, specifically with the receivers is important.

1002
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: I think you need another receiver. Zay is not a

1003
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: real one drafted. He is a great Day Flowers is

1004
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: a great part of a hole and he was a

1005
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: pro bowler this year. Don't get me wrong. He was

1006
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: like great, But you need other types of receivers around him.

1007
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: You ever shot Bateman. There's been some talk that they

1008
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: could cut Mark Andrews. I don't see that happening, and

1009
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that.

1010
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 6: Oh no, I don't think that after the playoffs that

1011
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 6: would be so rough.

1012
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: That would be I didn't even think of that. They

1013
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: could save twelve million, but he played well down the

1014
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: stretch last year. Other than yeah, that game, they have Isaiah.

1015
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: Likely they could cut Marcus Williams, who's been a bit

1016
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: of a free agent bus for them, but they don't

1017
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: really save much, so they might just bring them to camp.

1018
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: And then I looked at adafe Oway. They could extend him.

1019
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: Do you want to extend him? They actually don't have

1020
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: many good young players to extend, which is not a

1021
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: great sign. A little surprising. Their needs, to me are

1022
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: actually more on defense. I just thought talking offense would

1023
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: be interesting, and they needed some edge defenders. They need

1024
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: an outside cornerback. They are not afraid to be aggressive

1025
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: to kind of swoop in and take like a lower

1026
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: like cost free agent that's available at the end of

1027
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: free agency, so I think they could be pretty active.

1028
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: They could use a cornerback as well.

1029
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is actually kind of a good corner cornerback

1030
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 5: market for sort of that second and third tier corners.

1031
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: I saw a lot of them ranked in the middle

1032
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 5: to latter parts of Greg Rosenthal's Drew Rosenhaus approved top

1033
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 5: one hundred one right, And I do think that if

1034
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 5: you're a team that does need immediate help, if you're

1035
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 5: in contention, if you need it quick patch, especially in

1036
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 5: the secondary, this is a really great free agency.

1037
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: Your guy, big Play Sleigh now available. Actually he seems

1038
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: like such a raven like a one year, five million

1039
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: dollar contract and that they sign him to in April

1040
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: and then he's out there in the AFC Championship game

1041
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: making plays and you're like, what else.

1042
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 5: Kello Witherspoon's other one who to me seems like he

1043
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 5: would be fit over there.

1044
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're too good. Baltimore Ravens, Yeah, we love you

1045
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: for it. Come back to the pack.

1046
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: Ravens fans are like, can we make a Super Bowl

1047
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: maybe next year? That would make a happy Patrick Claven

1048
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: I would love to see. I would love to do

1049
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: a post AFC Championship game podcast with the Ravens going

1050
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowls with Patrick.

1051
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be That would be a beautiful thing

1052
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 5: to listen to, to.

1053
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: Be in Baltimore for it would be cool.

1054
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 6: Uh.

1055
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: Last year, last show rather we listened to to Ron

1056
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: wolf Lee announced the Arizona Cardinals making the Super Bowl

1057
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: for the first and only time, and uh, it gave

1058
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: me chills, like that that moment. We're so far away

1059
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: from that moment, and yet.

1060
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: It'll come so quick. I get football is so.

1061
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: Bad, right, And I was gonna ask Colleen, because I'm

1062
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: trying to workshop this a little, do you do you

1063
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: think like football is back now?

1064
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 3: No, it's the summer, the summer is starting, summer of Okay.

1065
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: It's literally March fourth. It we're so far from.

1066
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 6: The sun to not start of or it's not the

1067
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 6: start of the league year yet, the new league year,

1068
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 6: so it's not back at the end of the year.

1069
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 6: It's pretty back to me Marching March twelfth.

1070
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: Like, we had a lot of news today so much

1071
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: so we're putting this show right out. So I think

1072
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: we're going to be now in the cadence of putting

1073
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: these shows out in the late afternoon West Coast time

1074
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: because why wait, the news might get blown up.

1075
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 3: Give the people what they want.

1076
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just let it out there. Let's not worry

1077
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: about the people. It's like, oh, you get more downloads

1078
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: if you do it in the morning, or I just

1079
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: like the consistency you wake.

1080
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: Up really get what a bad boy doesn't care about.

1081
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: Downloads really excited Ollie Connolly and Patrick Claybahn. On our

1082
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: next show, we're going to talk about free agents to

1083
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: look at and all the news.

1084
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: I guess football it's not it's not back.