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Speaker 1: podcast And this is the RSV edition of the podcast.
Speaker 1: We're all sick. I think all of us are.
Speaker 2: Wait, who is anyone not sick?
Speaker 1: You guys aren't sick? All right, so it's just you
Speaker 1: and me, Amy.
Speaker 2: I got my first. Of all, I sound a little
Speaker 2: better than how gross I sounded last week. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I've got RSV. I'm doing good with it. But it lingers.
Speaker 2: Nothing lingers. I thot it for well eighteen days.
Speaker 1: We have episode twenty one, season six, driving Emily Gilmore,
Speaker 1: really and a rollicking affair? It was Wasn't it really good?
Speaker 1: It was? It was? It was I know, I changed
Speaker 1: the title.
Speaker 3: I said, Okay, what did you think of it?
Speaker 2: Overall?
Speaker 4: Guys? I loved it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, uh not. It didn't really have a flaw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 5: I have to laugh because my opinion is always so
Speaker 5: different than every I did not like this episode.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear why tell us a little?
Speaker 5: Why a little why is I just I felt like
Speaker 5: the storylines were like just really melodramatic and unrealistic, and
Speaker 5: some of the acting was a little overdone.
Speaker 2: I wrote a little a little over the top with
Speaker 2: the Suki and Jackson and a little over the top.
Speaker 2: Oh God, that's.
Speaker 1: Susanne's waiting to counter anything we like.
Speaker 5: It's really funny how my opinion is always different, even
Speaker 5: like the very first time I was on the podcast,
Speaker 5: I don't remember what the episode was, but you guys
Speaker 5: all hated it and it was one of my favorites.
Speaker 5: I'm not even sure what it was now, but it was.
Speaker 5: I just wasn't My brain just works differently, Wit.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting. I can't wait to hear what you
Speaker 2: We'll just go through it because I want to hear
Speaker 2: what you liked and didn't like. May I say my
Speaker 2: favorite thing of the whole episode really fast though. That
Speaker 2: was real rain, and I didn't do it. It was
Speaker 2: really cool that it was really raining.
Speaker 1: I noticed that too.
Speaker 5: I did like that it did.
Speaker 2: Not get on the camera lens, which I thought was impressive.
Speaker 2: But it was definitely raining, and that was pretty rad.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it was fun to film, but it
Speaker 2: was really rad to watch.
Speaker 1: Well, anything that causes the temperature to go down a
Speaker 1: little bit is welcome on that set, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when did this air? Daniel?
Speaker 4: It aired on May second, two thousand and six.
Speaker 2: So May second, when would you have filmed it? March?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Here used like a month ahead, little more month and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 3: Pretty legit.
Speaker 1: All right? So we started out Friday night dinner, which
Speaker 1: is pretty still. Oh geez, gott, I'm sick. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I have we know.
Speaker 2: If you have RSV, but you should get tested.
Speaker 1: I have something, but go ahead. Synopsis. I'm so sorry, Susan.
Speaker 4: I will let you do it because my crown was
Speaker 4: kind of taken away last week. So I'm just gonna.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me and Suzanne, we're having a better, better week.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 5: This is season six, episode twenty one, Driving Miss Gilmour.
Speaker 5: It aired on May second, two thousand and six. As
Speaker 5: we just established, sweet after getting Lasik surgery, Emily enlists
Speaker 5: Lorelized help as her driver and companion, finally revealing a
Speaker 5: big surprise that catches laurel I completely off guard. Meanwhile,
Speaker 5: Rory takes charge of Logan's recovery when he is released
Speaker 5: from the hospital.
Speaker 2: Cute, but I'm ready for that facial hair to go.
Speaker 6: On the way.
Speaker 1: Well we have you know, we have spaghetti and meatballs
Speaker 1: causing the Lorele and Rory to regress behaviorally speaking.
Speaker 2: I loved part of that scene and thought it was
Speaker 2: stupid at the same time.
Speaker 1: But that's but that's that's when Gilmour is at its best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's.
Speaker 1: Light, light, silly comedy.
Speaker 2: And the and the writing, the script, whatever, however you say.
Speaker 2: It was amazing all the things that they were saying.
Speaker 2: I just was like, who's taking away someone's dinner?
Speaker 1: You're nuts, You're double nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so good, It's so good.
Speaker 1: And then I heard Hermann comes in and keeps they
Speaker 1: keep doing the joke. Well it must be the spaghetti.
Speaker 2: Am I wrong that we hadn't seen him in a
Speaker 2: couple episodes we have?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: Susan. Did you like that because we liked that? Did
Speaker 1: you like get Herman showing up or did you hate it?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: It was good.
Speaker 2: I thought it was cute.
Speaker 5: I thought the whole thing with Laura, I like waving
Speaker 5: her fork around. She would never have done that at
Speaker 5: Emily's table, Like, I think that was where I was like, eh,
Speaker 5: that's a little over the top, but it was funny.
Speaker 5: I definitely was laughing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the spaghetti and meatballs makes them regress to
Speaker 1: a childlike state.
Speaker 2: And what about the Rory Gilmore Library, the Rory Gilmore Astronomy,
Speaker 2: I mean that was I was quickly doing the math.
Speaker 2: I'm like, are they giving a million dollars? It feels
Speaker 2: like they're giving a million dollars.
Speaker 1: For a dedicated There's got to be more that. It's
Speaker 1: got to be more like five to ten million. Yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you know. And then Laura I says to forget about it.
Speaker 1: Rory there, bye bye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a good opener, absolutely a good opener.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 1: Then when we go to uh uh, well, we find
Speaker 1: out that Emily is she changes subjects. She's having Lasik
Speaker 1: surgery with an extremely handsome doctor. And this makes this
Speaker 1: makes at Herman a little schellice a little touch.
Speaker 2: Did do you guys hear the shout out to doctor
Speaker 2: Sugarman Sugarman?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: I did. Doctor Sugarman was not the eye doctor, but
Speaker 2: he's the ear nose and throat doctor. And here's what's crazy.
Speaker 2: Not related, but there is a very famous doctor Sugarman
Speaker 2: in LA that is an ear nosen throat doctor. So
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a tip of the
Speaker 2: hat to the real doctor Sugarman, who could be whose
Speaker 2: clients could be on the show.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get him on, let's let's grow on. Actually
Speaker 1: it's not a bad.
Speaker 2: Idea, idea, especially with everyone's RSV.
Speaker 1: Not a bad idea.
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson's also going around promoting the RT the vaccine.
Speaker 2: If anyone care course we could.
Speaker 1: Move be off Magic, I'm definitely taking it. I'll take four.
Speaker 1: He's doing it.
Speaker 2: I did laugh at the handsome doctor and the like
Speaker 2: doctor Marcus Welby, which I'm sure we'll talk about in
Speaker 2: pop culture.
Speaker 1: But so then they talk about then Emily is up
Speaker 1: to her old tricks again. That they sat down with
Speaker 1: Christopher invited him to the country club.
Speaker 2: Now, that was interesting. It was right because it would
Speaker 2: have been concerning if not for the end of the
Speaker 2: episode where you're like because at first you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: what's happening.
Speaker 4: You're right, Yeah, you're right, You're like, why are you
Speaker 4: hanging out with Christopher? But then we got the payoff and.
Speaker 2: I won't say it, but I think it should be acknowledged.
Speaker 2: Knowing what comes makes it that much more interesting. But
Speaker 2: yet I don't think they had ulterior motives. Well they did,
Speaker 2: but then you do you.
Speaker 5: Got a I even wrote that in my notes, I wrote,
Speaker 5: ulterior motive.
Speaker 2: Okay, talk about.
Speaker 5: Well, let's let's let's talk about it when we get
Speaker 5: to the end, because that's okay, fine, where is okay?
Speaker 1: All right, So we'll put a pin in that they
Speaker 1: talked to Yale donation. We've been through that, all right.
Speaker 1: So now there's a hospital. Uh, Logan's in a wheelchair.
Speaker 1: He's being released from the hospital. Rory is really mothering him.
Speaker 1: What do we feel about this cute?
Speaker 2: I did not like her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was you, Suzanne. It was cute for a second,
Speaker 4: and then it just it just.
Speaker 5: Was so ridiculous about every little thing. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 5: just thought she was really over the top. And then
Speaker 5: she's like, oh, I cut off a little old lady
Speaker 5: so that we could so I could get a good
Speaker 5: parking place.
Speaker 2: And I mean he did get hurty, dang hurt. It's
Speaker 2: not like he just had a little something, right.
Speaker 5: But I don't know if the doctor says, you know,
Speaker 5: get out of bed and move around, and then she's like,
Speaker 5: I don't think that doctor knows what he's talking about. Well,
Speaker 5: why do you know what?
Speaker 2: I thought there was a little sarcasm with that.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I didn't. It was just a little
Speaker 5: too much for me, although I did like when Logan
Speaker 5: asked the doctor he said, can I be discharged to
Speaker 5: your house?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That was funny. I will say I did not like
Speaker 2: Rory's outfit and she wears it for an endlessly long
Speaker 2: amount of time in this episode, and I did not
Speaker 2: care for that. I literally wrote, no thanks.
Speaker 6: I did not like that out But.
Speaker 2: I thought the kiss was cute. I think they're cute.
Speaker 2: I think it's cute to see her caretaking and really caring.
Speaker 2: And I would be pairanoid if my boyfriend had those injuries.
Speaker 2: It might be a little over the top myself, but.
Speaker 1: Just say, who cares? All right, We're going to go
Speaker 1: to the Dragonfly now, Michelle. Michelle is freaking out because
Speaker 1: he just found out that he s ingested too many calories.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if during the whole episode we had
Speaker 2: to like exercise like I was sure I could do?
Speaker 1: It's Anne I bet you this scene bothered you more
Speaker 1: than any other scene because it was so over the top.
Speaker 5: Right, Danielle, keep me dancing, Not more than any other scene,
Speaker 5: because there are some scenes that bother me more, although
Speaker 5: I did. I watched the episode twice last night because
Speaker 5: I'm like, I gotta find something to like about this episode,
Speaker 5: and it did kind of grow on me a little bit.
Speaker 5: I thought it was I thought it was kind of cute,
Speaker 5: and I actually, you know, shout out to unique Truesdale
Speaker 5: who had to keep doing that through those long cakes.
Speaker 2: So it's hard you run out of moves after Scott
Speaker 2: and I are sort of trying to run in place
Speaker 2: and do moves.
Speaker 1: I'm sick. I can't run.
Speaker 2: First of all, I couldn't hear anything Suzanne was saying,
Speaker 2: like Danielle said, I was trying to hard the what
Speaker 2: am I going to do next?
Speaker 1: What am I going to do?
Speaker 6: Do you?
Speaker 2: I just saying that all again.
Speaker 5: I thought I didn't think it was that bad. I
Speaker 5: watched it twice and it kind of grew on me
Speaker 5: the second time, so I didn't. I didn't hate it,
Speaker 5: but it was kind of over the top.
Speaker 2: The takeaway for me, though, as you realize she's blowing
Speaker 2: Luke off, and I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: And also I did you understand a thing that Michelle
Speaker 1: was saying?
Speaker 5: No, I had to turn the titles on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't. The accent was so thick. I couldn't understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because understood the milk situation. He thought he
Speaker 2: was drinking that free and it was full fat or something.
Speaker 1: And the Laurel I dis to Luke. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: creating some space there.
Speaker 2: It's just so weird. She's not only is she blowing
Speaker 2: him off, she's lying she's staff meeting and she doesn't
Speaker 2: have a staff meeting. And I'm not clear on Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't like how she involved Suki and Michelle
Speaker 4: in that, you know.
Speaker 2: And so why why did we go to this? I
Speaker 2: understand we left off with like a lot of angst,
Speaker 2: right because Amma will not accept her and Anna has
Speaker 2: yelled at Luke.
Speaker 4: Do you think in her mind she and I mean,
Speaker 4: we can talk about this a little bit later, but
Speaker 4: she is acknowledging it's not working.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she's given us at this point. This is
Speaker 5: so this is one of the reasons I didn't like
Speaker 5: this episode is this is now the seventh or eighth episode.
Speaker 5: It's like groundhog Day. I'm like watching the same thing
Speaker 5: over and over. Luke is completely oblivious and Laurale's feelings
Speaker 5: are hurt, but she won't stand up and tell him
Speaker 5: how she's feeling.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: And I'm just kind of bored with it at this point.
Speaker 5: And I feel like, now in this episode, we see
Speaker 5: like after the whole birthday party thing where you know,
Speaker 5: she made this winning party for Luke and then she
Speaker 5: still gets her hand slapped. I think like she's just
Speaker 5: given up. She's like, Okay, I you know, I'm done.
Speaker 2: He's done, but he's not done. And he's never given
Speaker 2: any indication of being done.
Speaker 5: She's had any conversation with her about it either, like
Speaker 5: he has said nothing to her to kind of reassure her.
Speaker 5: And so she ends every episode upset and sad. And
Speaker 5: now we see that she's just throwing in the towel.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Again, she's not doing it in a healthy way because
Speaker 5: avoiding him is not the right way.
Speaker 1: To do it. Here's the dilemma. I think the dilemma
Speaker 1: for the writers is this that and I kind of
Speaker 1: figured out what's coming and it's the bad thing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I kind of figured that out. I haven't seen her,
Speaker 1: I know, but I kinda but donk A dont going
Speaker 1: on there. It's going to be bad. So if if
Speaker 1: they the bad thing is going to happen next episode,
Speaker 1: I think, right.
Speaker 4: So off my headphone.
Speaker 2: No, because he doesn't know either, he's just thinking about speculating.
Speaker 1: I'm just speculating. Yeah, I think they're setting up us
Speaker 1: up for this, and I think the writers are intentionally.
Speaker 1: You know, if they make Luke Luke too sympathetic or
Speaker 1: these two about to reconcile and there's a big understanding,
Speaker 1: then the bad thing can't happen. So it's like, how
Speaker 1: do you get to the bad thing? Right? You have
Speaker 1: to create However sloppily we claim it's being done or
Speaker 1: it's it's it's redundant, and it's like, all right, already,
Speaker 1: they got to get Laurel I into that bad into
Speaker 1: the bad thing. Somehow justify that it's that, that's why
Speaker 1: it's happened, because these two were so far apart in
Speaker 1: they're our community kiddingway, So how do you do that?
Speaker 1: So I understand what you're saying, I do I do Susanne,
Speaker 1: I do understand what you're saying, but uh so, maybe
Speaker 1: what you're saying is they could have done this a
Speaker 1: little better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like as a viewer, and I don't want to
Speaker 5: get too far ahead, but the scene in the bar
Speaker 5: where Luke is talking to TJ and he's you know, talking,
Speaker 5: he's talking about Liz, but like, I feel like the
Speaker 5: writers are toying with the viewers. It's like they put
Speaker 5: Luke in a position where he's trying to explain, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, she's really talking to herself, and I wanted
Speaker 5: to sweem the lines.
Speaker 2: Well, it's very intentional they did that. They have like
Speaker 2: having a full speech, but yet he's clueless.
Speaker 5: But then there's still no resolution for the viewer. So
Speaker 5: I don't know. And it kind of now we're at
Speaker 5: the end of the season and I'm kind of thinking
Speaker 5: about what we were talking about at the beginning of
Speaker 5: the season, where by this point, you know, the writers
Speaker 5: knew that they were on their way out and so
Speaker 5: they're like making a statement here and I don't know,
Speaker 5: I just wasn't a fan.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think, okay.
Speaker 1: Ever underestimate you know, personal feelings being hurt and what
Speaker 1: the repercussions can be.
Speaker 2: I also, so, first of all, I don't know that
Speaker 2: all the writers leave, right. We know Amy and Dan leave,
Speaker 2: but a lot of the writers stay right.
Speaker 5: Well, And maybe maybe it wasn't necessarily an intentional thing,
Speaker 5: like maybe it's it was just unconscious and that's how
Speaker 5: it came out in the writing. But Amy and Dan
Speaker 5: wrote this episode. They both had writing credit on this episode.
Speaker 3: And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know that you're gonna tank your
Speaker 2: own show even if you can't make a deal for
Speaker 2: season seven, right, It's like.
Speaker 5: Maybe I didn't I that's just my impression. I'm not
Speaker 5: saying I don't know these pe I think they know
Speaker 5: they are completely wrong, but that's how it feels.
Speaker 2: And I could be totally wrong too, Like we're just
Speaker 2: spitballing here, guys. So like they know they've got a
Speaker 2: season seven, right, So to me, if I planning right,
Speaker 2: because I'm planning right now for our season seven and
Speaker 2: what's going to be after that? So is there a
Speaker 2: chance that if you keep them together? I'm not saying
Speaker 2: they're gonna break up, but I'm just saying if you
Speaker 2: keep them together, that gives you one trajectory for season seven.
Speaker 2: If you break them up, it gives you a different trajectory.
Speaker 2: So it all may be quite intentional everything that's happening,
Speaker 2: and not in a bad way or purposely tanking Gilmore girls.
Speaker 2: It's just giving more. How do I say this without
Speaker 2: I don't hate what is to come? I found it
Speaker 2: quite Oh my wow, what is coming? So I'm interested
Speaker 2: when we get there. Who likes it and hates it?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean it's whether or not the creators consider Luke
Speaker 1: core character to this piece or not right, and they do.
Speaker 1: If you know, with lorl I hurtling towards the bad thing,
Speaker 1: what kind of impact does that have on her character?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So take her character down
Speaker 1: several notches. That's interesting parent blindness, take his characters?
Speaker 2: I mean, is this character Well that's an interesting question.
Speaker 1: Well, so what you're asking is this wilful character destruction
Speaker 1: or is it just some kind of handhanded way to
Speaker 1: get them to the bad thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Interesting? I mean yeah, let me ask you this. You
Speaker 2: are getting married, all of you. You're all getting married, right,
Speaker 2: You're engaged you're getting married and suddenly you find out
Speaker 2: that your fiance realizes he has a baby, a child
Speaker 2: that he didn't know about. Would you get married on
Speaker 2: June third or would you postpone the wedding?
Speaker 5: I think it would be a conversation. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's not one person's decision. They would both have to
Speaker 5: But what would you do? I personally would get married.
Speaker 4: I probably would say, let's take a second. There's a
Speaker 4: lot going on right now, let's see what's going on.
Speaker 1: I don't know what i'd do.
Speaker 5: I mean because to me, and again this is just
Speaker 5: one hundred percent my opinion, and you don't have to
Speaker 5: agree with it. If I have this person that is
Speaker 5: my person, and I love them enough that I want
Speaker 5: to marry them, a child coming in isn't going to
Speaker 5: change my relationship with that person. They're still my person,
Speaker 5: I agree with That's that's my perspective on it. But
Speaker 5: I don't know that there's a right or wrong answer.
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody would have their own as I.
Speaker 2: Might postpone the wedding because of the circumstances, right Like
Speaker 2: this is a little I know many people that postponed
Speaker 2: their wedding because a parent was ill right and they
Speaker 2: wanted to or they hurried up their wedding because of
Speaker 2: a parent right outside circumstances impact wedding days, Does that
Speaker 2: mean it impacts the relationship In my opinion, No, that
Speaker 2: April is not destroying the relationship with Luke. I think
Speaker 2: Lorelei is thinking it is. I don't actually think their
Speaker 2: relationship is bad just because they're postponing the wedding either.
Speaker 1: I mean, why can't it continue to exist in this
Speaker 1: the normal state that it's in. It's you know, they're
Speaker 1: in love, They're they're a functioning, solid, grounded couple that
Speaker 1: live together. So it's like, okay, so it's delayed able.
Speaker 2: And say they even want to have children, right, I
Speaker 2: don't think putting that off for six more months or
Speaker 2: a year is super problematic, right, it's not.
Speaker 5: I don't even think it's about the wedding anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with what you're saying, but I also
Speaker 4: think that this situation suation. It's not April that's the problem.
Speaker 4: It's how they're dealing with the situation with April. So
Speaker 4: it's actions that are becoming red flags. Does that make
Speaker 4: sense totally?
Speaker 2: And so do you guys? The three of you think
Speaker 2: that the relationship between Luke and Lorelai is actually not
Speaker 2: good right now.
Speaker 1: Well, clearly it's not good. She's pulling away.
Speaker 2: But is it warranted? I never really saw them having
Speaker 2: problems with their relationship other than and I get it's
Speaker 2: big how they feel about it.
Speaker 1: Appears that Luke isn't interested in the relationship, like it's
Speaker 1: like he's not nurturing the relationship the way he used
Speaker 1: to that. So there's he's being neglectful of that relationship.
Speaker 1: And now it's quite clear. But is he Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: putting all his eggs. They're in the April basket, and
Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of eggs left for Laurla.
Speaker 6: Isn't that?
Speaker 1: I think she stands right. There's no conversation that they've had.
Speaker 1: You know, the onus is on him just to have
Speaker 1: that conversation with her, to start that conversation with her
Speaker 1: and reassure her.
Speaker 2: But yes, I agree with that, But say you have
Speaker 2: a certain bandwidth, right, he works, he runs the diner.
Speaker 2: You know, he's now discovered April. He's got things right.
Speaker 2: So when you're in a relationship, a really good relationship
Speaker 2: like they have, as the other person. Don't you say, hey,
Speaker 2: I understand I'm not the top priority right now because
Speaker 2: you've got all these other things, and that person steps
Speaker 2: up to support the person in need, just like vice versa.
Speaker 2: Luke was really there for Laura I when she had
Speaker 2: her issues with Rory. So what I'm asking is, and
Speaker 2: again I'm really just asking it because I am not
Speaker 2: fully developed on my own opinion. Is there relationship really bad?
Speaker 2: Or is Lorelai just not no aborting Luke in his time?
Speaker 1: Just because Luke doesn't need constant reassurance, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that Laura I requires the same. She needs a little
Speaker 1: bit of reassurance. He should understand that not everybody is
Speaker 1: like him, but he doesn't need the constant, doting, right reassurance.
Speaker 1: He's you know, he's going to be there regardless, but
Speaker 1: you know, not everybody's like that. Laura I obviously needs
Speaker 1: some communication. There's no communication. Susan's right, I've come full
Speaker 1: circle on this or so.
Speaker 4: Also, it's like their whole relationship was Luke was a
Speaker 4: different way. You know, he was the one that said
Speaker 4: I'm all in. He was the one pursuing her, the
Speaker 4: one that was always very always we knew Luke was
Speaker 4: always a beacon of light in the sense that he
Speaker 4: always showed Laura Lie that he's there for her.
Speaker 2: Do you feel he's treating her badly?
Speaker 4: I don't think he's treating her badly unintentionally, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying, is like, it's not intentional at all,
Speaker 4: but he is unintentionally pushing her to the side.
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing that as clearly as clearly you three are.
Speaker 2: I see him treating her quite well, right, Like he's
Speaker 2: loving and communicative ish, right, like as he's capable of.
Speaker 2: He's not a jerk, he's not lying.
Speaker 1: He's shutting her out of one of the big moments
Speaker 1: of his life with his child. But she's completely shut
Speaker 1: out of that. He's not even talking about. He's even
Speaker 1: getting a little snippy with her if she tries to
Speaker 1: bring it up. And he gave her this big speech
Speaker 1: about communication.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: He let her in with the birthday party thing, right,
Speaker 5: He let her come over, he let her run the
Speaker 5: birthday party. And then when.
Speaker 4: Anna, because he was desperate.
Speaker 5: Right exactly, I mean it served his purposes. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: then when Anna threw a tantrum about it, then he
Speaker 5: slammed that door shut again and got pissed at Laurel.
Speaker 2: I like, I don't think he ever got pissed at Loralai.
Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't read it that way.
Speaker 4: I didn't either.
Speaker 2: I got it as he was upset and he's so
Speaker 2: bummed and frustrated and upset, but he's not blaming Lorali.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you guys this, are you all
Speaker 2: in the Lorelei Luke situation team? Lorali? If you had to.
Speaker 5: Pick and Luke, I want them both to communicate with
Speaker 5: each other. They're both messing this up now.
Speaker 1: But here's another aspect of this that I think he's
Speaker 1: so out of character at this point that it's you're
Speaker 1: hardly recognizing because where is the backbone? You know? And
Speaker 1: now I'm seeing this so clearly in this episode, where
Speaker 1: here's his backbone? When when Anna right? Right right? And
Speaker 1: where is his comeback? Like wait a minute, hang on
Speaker 1: a second. Yeah, I agree with you, and you said this,
Speaker 1: you echoed this last episode. It's like you didn't even
Speaker 1: tell me we had a child. How dare you talk
Speaker 1: to me this way?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I agree with you for twelve years.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean completely, I'm saying that he didn't
Speaker 1: say it.
Speaker 2: You know what, Danielle, it seems like a moment we
Speaker 2: should bring up the person that wrote to us.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so someone DM me because you know how
Speaker 4: we got into a heated discussion last episode about how,
Speaker 4: like why did Anna keep this secret away from Luke?
Speaker 4: And this person told us because she didn't know who
Speaker 4: the baby daddy was? Because remember April had a test
Speaker 4: three different carerors and so in front of us. You know,
Speaker 4: so she maybe just didn't know that Luke was the father.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a disagree Yeah, she's just.
Speaker 4: A good it's a good staff speculation though, you know,
Speaker 4: like she was too embarrassed she didn't know who the
Speaker 4: father was.
Speaker 1: She could have gone to that. I mean even if
Speaker 1: she was had, you know, another person that she was dating,
Speaker 1: or she was seeing multiple people, she could have gone
Speaker 1: to each of them.
Speaker 5: And you know, I never got and like, with all
Speaker 5: due respect to whoever wrote in, I'm not like trying
Speaker 5: to be mean to them, but I never got the
Speaker 5: impression that Anna didn't know who the father was. I
Speaker 5: think Anna knew the whole time.
Speaker 2: That's a fair point. But why would she make April
Speaker 2: go around and pick all the hair out? Why would
Speaker 2: she do that to her kid?
Speaker 5: She didn't know April was doing it. She didn't know
Speaker 5: what April's project was.
Speaker 4: But then how did April know that there's these three dads?
Speaker 5: Because so if you go back to the episode where
Speaker 5: Luke shows up at Anna's house and he's like, why
Speaker 5: didn't you tell me, she says that she didn't know
Speaker 5: about the project and that April had gotten the names
Speaker 5: for old letters, so she put the whole thing on it. Now,
Speaker 5: maybe she was lying. I don't know. We don't have
Speaker 5: anything to.
Speaker 2: Indicate that, Oh right, they don't.
Speaker 5: She told Luke that April did this entire thing completely
Speaker 5: on her own, and she didn't know about it until
Speaker 5: after the fact, So I don't I don't necessarily see
Speaker 5: any evidence that Anna didn't know who.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that makes sense, all right, So let's always
Speaker 2: trust that everyone's truthful, right, So she found boyfriend letters
Speaker 2: or whatever in Anna's box of letters or box, you know,
Speaker 2: her hope chest, whatever, and she then goes and finds them.
Speaker 2: Whereas we are to assume that April didn't know who
Speaker 2: the dad was, but Anna always knew.
Speaker 5: Okay, fair, I can.
Speaker 2: I can accept that? Okay? Fine, it still does not
Speaker 2: make it okay that Anna right didn't So that's point
Speaker 2: as well. Yes, Scott's point is well taken in that
Speaker 2: you're right, like you should have said to her, back up, yeah, girl,
Speaker 2: you show up. You know, I'm throwing the birthday party,
Speaker 2: I'm going on the school trip. I'm doing everything you want.
Speaker 2: And my fiance saved the day and your kid had
Speaker 2: a wonderful time and everyone is safe and healthy and happy,
Speaker 2: and you should be sending me a muffin basket.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, I think I think Luke
Speaker 1: is a little gun shy because Anna has the power
Speaker 1: of the visitation over him. She can withdraw that at
Speaker 1: any time and he'll never see that kid again unless
Speaker 1: her lawyers up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he sure could, and he will get yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot. He will get fifty to fifty custody. That
Speaker 2: explains that she said the not lawyer.
Speaker 1: So there we go.
Speaker 2: So, uh, good talk, guys, good talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice talk, nice talk.
Speaker 7: Got to go.
Speaker 2: So it was sad to me, the blowing off, I know,
Speaker 2: just a a button on that that bothered me a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not like that.
Speaker 2: That did not seem Lorelai ish, and it was hurtful.
Speaker 2: I did not like it. All right, So now we're
Speaker 2: no marro wanna sit.
Speaker 1: Now we're in pot Farm, USA. Stars. They grow the
Speaker 1: hill the.
Speaker 2: Hill, boy, did they?
Speaker 1: And uh, you know that was particularly amusing. I thought,
Speaker 1: what did you guys think? I thought it was funny,
Speaker 1: very make Gilmore girls seem very edgy.
Speaker 2: And you know what I missed that came back in
Speaker 2: this episode a bit was is the physical comedy even
Speaker 2: though it was Jackson when he bumps into that table
Speaker 2: and the two background actors are like, it was a
Speaker 2: really good bump into. There was a lot of physicality
Speaker 2: for both Jackson and Suki, and I was, I liked
Speaker 2: it and we missed. I haven't seen that in a while.
Speaker 1: Missed it. Yeah, some great lines, Suki blame it's the
Speaker 1: Templeton brothers. Those Templeton brothers. They listened to the Almond Brothers.
Speaker 1: But we should have known people that listened to Almond
Speaker 1: Brothers always smoke crass. We're felons that I laughed out loud.
Speaker 1: The Almond Brothers. I used to listen to them all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Same thing when they say, do you think Neil Young
Speaker 2: would want this later?
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're not. Yeah that would have just given
Speaker 1: you right, and then we have what makes there's some
Speaker 1: magic happening in stars Hollins Grantly Phillipsing doing a cover
Speaker 1: of that Simon and garfal By oh Man, and it's
Speaker 1: just there you go, the magic of Gilmore on full display.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the magic of background actors freaking nailing it. That
Speaker 2: was a long scene with him and a lot of
Speaker 2: background actors with umbrellas in the rain, crash.
Speaker 1: To walk through the rain with an umbrella.
Speaker 2: The umbrellas multiple times crashed into that tree and they
Speaker 2: just kept going and there were a lot of them going.
Speaker 2: And then it continues when you go into the diner
Speaker 2: and the rain is still in the background. Really great
Speaker 2: performance by Rain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nominated fantastic nature. The rain really stole stole those scenes.
Speaker 1: So now we're in Luke's diner and Kirks sitting there
Speaker 1: kind of bragging about his beard, a little stubble, some
Speaker 1: grown grown.
Speaker 2: And Luke is in perfect Luke form, like can you
Speaker 2: can you disorder right? Right?
Speaker 1: And then I'm happy with all of it. Liz comes
Speaker 1: in all beaming and happy, announces she's pregnant, gives her away,
Speaker 1: was surprised that Luke figured it out. Tej's gone, he's left,
Speaker 1: and Luke gets pissed, so he gets all brotherly. So
Speaker 1: he's going to defend his sister. He's going to seek
Speaker 1: PJ out and open up a can of whoop pass
Speaker 1: maybe two?
Speaker 6: What may?
Speaker 1: She said, right, she's in her come what may stage?
Speaker 1: Just come what? All right? So now we're at Logan's apartment.
Speaker 1: Paris and Doyle are by Logan, which is actually very funny.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, wait really fast. So I can't take
Speaker 2: credit for this because it's in one of my Gilmour books,
Speaker 2: but there's an episode where Liz reveals in season four
Speaker 2: that her boyfriend was the garbage collector but also has
Speaker 2: the marijuana something.
Speaker 5: He's the one that sold her the pot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so technically there's a theory in the book.
Speaker 2: And I will give credit to the Gilmore Girls Companion
Speaker 2: book for this note. Uh, Suki and Jackson could have
Speaker 2: just tossed the marijuana and had no repercussions because the
Speaker 2: garbage collector saw his side hustle of marijuana just calling
Speaker 2: it out. Good great, great knowledge by the companion.
Speaker 1: Book that so thank you for that. And so now
Speaker 1: Logan's trying to get out of bed and Paris is
Speaker 1: not allowing it.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Through Rory's instructions.
Speaker 2: It was actually funny.
Speaker 1: And there's the what is it? What is it? The penguins?
Speaker 3: What's the Penguin movie?
Speaker 2: Wasn't that how I learned that penguins they don't mate
Speaker 2: for life, but they mate for season. They like mate,
Speaker 2: and then they have a baby. It's it was that
Speaker 2: the March of the Penguins. They probably couldn't say it
Speaker 2: because they call it the Penguin movie. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: penguins are it? Also, tupperware is a bedpan is not
Speaker 2: about cool?
Speaker 1: And Logan just wants to move around. They don't want
Speaker 1: him to. Uh So does Paris call Rory and say, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up with this guy?
Speaker 2: I think I think Rory calls to check in on Logan,
Speaker 2: or Logan calls Rory to be like, you got to
Speaker 2: get these two crazy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Maidens calls Rory.
Speaker 2: Right Doyle. Doyle cracks me up in this scene. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love them together.
Speaker 5: They're hilarious every time, totally.
Speaker 2: And she's studying for the mcat or whatever, and she
Speaker 2: says all the parts of thee they.
Speaker 4: Gave Paris the perfect companion, like casting wise, the actor,
Speaker 4: but also the character.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and he's gone on to be legit Doyle.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And then Rory calls from the from Yale
Speaker 1: Daily News newsrooms. So he's trying to present Rory with
Speaker 1: the editorial piece in the from the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2: They left me hanging there. I was like, what, we.
Speaker 1: Don't know what it is. Yeah, but then we find
Speaker 1: out what it is. And Mitcham, is is quoted in
Speaker 1: this article, is taking credit for a couple of people careers,
Speaker 1: and he mentions Rory Gilmour out of the blue and says,
Speaker 1: I gave her her break at the Hartford Gazette, that
Speaker 1: she went on to be the editor of the Yale
Speaker 1: Daily News, which I I gather as a very lofty
Speaker 1: perch in the journalism world, because if you come out
Speaker 1: of there, you're gonna you're gonna do pretty well, pretty
Speaker 1: well in the world of journalism.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like she should have been as like
Speaker 2: bent by Mitcham as she is.
Speaker 5: That was a little over the top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I kind of agree with you there. That
Speaker 1: might be the one chink right there.
Speaker 2: I didn't mind it with Logan. I thought that part
Speaker 2: was good. It was when she called the paper. I'm like,
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 5: Right, right, a journalist herself, right, you know, like you
Speaker 5: don't do that. There was nothing in that article that
Speaker 5: wasn't factual, just because he was, you know, upset by it,
Speaker 5: because she has kind of this knee jerk reaction to
Speaker 5: Mitcham has nothing to do with the article itself.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just didn't yet. Yeah, well, at
Speaker 1: least she got something out of the unpleasant encounter.
Speaker 2: With Mitcham's truth actually true.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, And maybe that was his sort of
Speaker 1: backhanded way of making amends somehow, right, and his twisted soul.
Speaker 1: All right, Now we're back at the dragon fly in
Speaker 1: and Michelle is really kicking in with the over the
Speaker 1: top calisthenics using the luggage cards. And I mean, it
Speaker 1: was it was just that was particularly over the top,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. But it's still funny. It made me chuckle,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Emily calls Laureal I and think we find
Speaker 1: out she's uh needs that the Lasik surgery did not
Speaker 1: go well. But Laurel I doesn't know about this because
Speaker 1: Richard apparently did not tell her.
Speaker 5: Also classic and great, And then I had a red
Speaker 5: flag on this though, because if she had surgery and
Speaker 5: it didn't go well, I can't imagine Richard flying off
Speaker 5: to South Dakota. He would have been like, no, find
Speaker 5: somebody else to do this business trip, because my wife
Speaker 5: is having a medical crisis. I need to be with her.
Speaker 2: I felt like it all happened at the same.
Speaker 1: Time that in fact, what happened or did he leave
Speaker 1: the day of the surgery?
Speaker 2: Well, why would he do that? Like that didn't make.
Speaker 1: Sense because it's not a Lasik surgery.
Speaker 2: It's not right, Like it's like kind of like a
Speaker 2: trip to the dentist times a.
Speaker 5: Little bit right, it's like Blasik surgery. I would make
Speaker 5: my husband be the one that like takes me and
Speaker 5: pick me up.
Speaker 4: They also have a lot of help at the house,
Speaker 4: Like he's going to help her people.
Speaker 1: He's got a big account to settle in South Dakota.
Speaker 2: And most of the time, don't you get Lasik and
Speaker 2: then you just like cruise home and you're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 2: I think it went awry, But I'm not mad at
Speaker 2: rich I'll.
Speaker 1: Let you know, I'm pretty much almost there.
Speaker 2: No way you're going to do it.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean I.
Speaker 4: Want to, but I'm just too scared.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why have you have you heard bad things?
Speaker 4: No, I just.
Speaker 2: Your eyeballs contacts.
Speaker 4: I don't mind wearing contacts all the time. So it's
Speaker 4: kind of like whatever.
Speaker 2: I will say. Side note, my mom had cataract surgery
Speaker 2: and she doesn't even need her glasses anymore. Really, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: And that's lazy.
Speaker 2: No, it's full cataract. They like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: they do to you. Speaking of a lot of on
Speaker 2: the caregiver, I had a driver like twelve times. You
Speaker 2: have to go air and back and it check out
Speaker 2: the next day and then the next day and the
Speaker 2: next day. That being said, she literally couldn't had to
Speaker 2: have glasses and couldn't really see. And now she doesn't
Speaker 2: even wear glasses, like crazy town, how well it works.
Speaker 5: So then so now you my cataracts surgery.
Speaker 1: So Richard's bagging on South Dakota says it did.
Speaker 2: Not look like he was in a hotel in South Dakota.
Speaker 2: Looked like he was on set with the same rain
Speaker 2: in the background, just saying yeah.
Speaker 1: He said, this hotel smells like a foot.
Speaker 2: I laughed, out loud.
Speaker 1: That was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I know that smell great. It's like rotten cheese.
Speaker 1: So now we're back with Suki and Jackson staring at
Speaker 1: their bags of marriage and they have to wait for dark.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, starting to smell.
Speaker 1: To move the contraband if you will, uh and yeah,
Speaker 1: the house has started stink. And now we're back at
Speaker 1: Logan's apartment and they talk about you know, he calmed,
Speaker 1: Logan calms down about I realized that it's the boon
Speaker 1: for your career. Yeah, react, this is you know, it
Speaker 1: turned out very well that one.
Speaker 2: I that scene I liked.
Speaker 1: I'm liking them right now, Susan.
Speaker 5: I thought that scene was okay. There was one Rory
Speaker 5: had this one weird long trunk of dialogue. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was way over the top about thebituaries and I
Speaker 5: memorized all his kids. That was stupid. She would not
Speaker 5: have said all that. I thought that was silly. But
Speaker 5: other than that, I thought that was a good scene.
Speaker 1: And now we're at Emily's and she is uh, sprawled
Speaker 1: out on the sofa with sunglasses on in the dark,
Speaker 1: in the dark, but it was very well lit in
Speaker 1: the dark. Yes, Lorelai comes in refers to as missus
Speaker 1: ownassis h Doctor Mengele, and we we get onasa's doctor
Speaker 1: Mangole and Marcus Welby md all in one paragraph. And
Speaker 1: then uh, cab drivers in Prague? Do you know about them?
Speaker 6: That?
Speaker 1: I mean? This is what I'm talking about the combination
Speaker 1: of pop culture references in here is staggering. You go
Speaker 1: from missus onasas doctor Mangle, Marcus WELLBMD to cab drivers
Speaker 1: in Prague.
Speaker 2: And I believe it's the second time cab drivers have
Speaker 2: been mentioned?
Speaker 1: Is that right? Who else writes like that? Nobody else? Right?
Speaker 2: The cab drivers got mentioned in season one. Also they
Speaker 2: really yea also stolen from the Gilmore Girls companion Guide.
Speaker 1: So now she's you know, she's pulling off her whole
Speaker 1: diva routine. Feel sorry for me. You're going to have
Speaker 1: to take me.
Speaker 2: To on all her errands, Like can I just do
Speaker 2: the errands? Because that's literally what I would have said,
Speaker 2: Can I just do them? I'd be so to do them.
Speaker 2: It's the taking of the the mom on the errands.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you want to hear my red flag on
Speaker 5: this scene? And this actually I didn't even catch this,
Speaker 5: but my husband pointed this one out.
Speaker 2: Oh, mister Suzanne, I'll tell her all in that place.
Speaker 2: We've all met him too, and we like him a lot.
Speaker 4: By the way, so.
Speaker 5: He pointed out the According to the dialogue, the doctor
Speaker 5: only operated on the one eye because he wanted to
Speaker 5: direct how that one healed before he did the other one.
Speaker 5: So how is she blind? If they didn't even operate.
Speaker 2: On one eye? Would work? You know, I don't know
Speaker 2: that she's blind, though, I feel like she's having great
Speaker 2: sensitivity to light. One can obviously sort of see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean maybe the way in the hat she's
Speaker 5: so helpless and she said she was blind for forty
Speaker 5: eight hours or something like that.
Speaker 4: You would think you would just wear an eyepatch so
Speaker 4: that you can.
Speaker 2: Right, she could wear a patch and although a patch
Speaker 2: is tough, maybe it was just tough.
Speaker 4: It's good fly. That's a good fine good flag, yeah,
Speaker 4: good flag.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also then I wouldn't get all these great scenes
Speaker 2: of Lorelai driving that ginormous.
Speaker 1: Suv, right, and they talk about it. She just Emily
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go in the jeep, so she wants
Speaker 1: to go and car Jake.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to go in the GP either, so bouncy.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of those wranglers.
Speaker 3: Bullet proof, not comfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get mentions of me and Pharaoh, Broadway, Danny Rose,
Speaker 1: and Sarah Bernhardt, so they were flying. The pop culture
Speaker 1: references were flying.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's going to be a serious pop culture
Speaker 7: episode this week.
Speaker 1: All right, Now you got a bar. Luke I love,
Speaker 1: Oh my God, storms into the bar because he wants
Speaker 1: to he wants to take a little chunk out of Teach.
Speaker 2: And this was a good scene. Although the speech is fascinating,
Speaker 2: the Luke speech. Yeah, I'm glad we didn't have again
Speaker 2: what I call Three's Company episode, Like we didn't have to.
Speaker 2: We got right to the fact that Teacher's.
Speaker 1: Like, uh Luke Dane's psychologist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got quickly to the meat of it is
Speaker 2: that which we knew. Liz kicked him out, So I'm
Speaker 2: glad he explained that real clearly, real fast. And Tej Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love how TJ was.
Speaker 5: He had no idea why Luke was so mad, but
Speaker 5: he's basically like, okay, hit me, go ahead, Like he
Speaker 5: he was like, okay, I'll just let you hit me,
Speaker 5: Like you didn't want to fight and you was just
Speaker 5: gonna let Luke hit him. I just I don't know,
Speaker 5: I thought.
Speaker 4: But he was so concerned about the bar owner's rules,
Speaker 4: like don't burn down the house and no fights inside.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else, Susan, and you feel you need
Speaker 2: to say about Luke's speech? That did trigger me. I
Speaker 2: definitely was like, this is a long speech.
Speaker 4: It's real rich coming from Luke's really right.
Speaker 5: Exactly, Daniel, Like I wanted to grab Luke by the
Speaker 5: shoulders and shake him and be like, do you hear
Speaker 5: yourself right now? Like apply this to your own life?
Speaker 4: It was so, But can we discuss that? Why is that? Like,
Speaker 4: why is it that he is so oblivious? Is he
Speaker 4: oblivious or is he because.
Speaker 2: He's so caught up in Well, he's not oblivious. He's
Speaker 2: so hot up in the fact that he just found
Speaker 2: out he has a child. He's oblivious to I will
Speaker 2: give him that a little bit.
Speaker 5: Well, he is caught up in the whole child thing,
Speaker 5: but he is completely oblivious to loralized feelings. Yes, I
Speaker 5: have no explanation for that. Pancakes, It does good, pancakes
Speaker 5: probably a good tune of melt.
Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, not bad, not bad? All right, So now
Speaker 1: we're driving with Laurella and Emily amazing, and she's doing
Speaker 1: about five miles an hour, and that.
Speaker 2: Entirely Emily knew where the exit was, which is why
Speaker 2: I don't think she's blind, right, because she goes, you're
Speaker 2: going to miss the exit, like you wouldn't know that
Speaker 2: if you couldn't see, And.
Speaker 1: That entire scene was looped.
Speaker 2: Em thank you for that note, Scott.
Speaker 1: It was looped.
Speaker 2: I have to rewatch. It didn't bother me because sometimes looping.
Speaker 6: Does.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a little Maybe they.
Speaker 2: Had bad audio in that suv, well.
Speaker 1: Yeah's it always happens when you're on location. And then
Speaker 1: you know, they talk about Chris's short hair and how
Speaker 1: Emily thinks that it makes him kind of look like
Speaker 1: a convict or a miss messuse either or, and then
Speaker 1: Emily starts in with her sort of her her manipulation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you ulations talk about Emily's manipulations.
Speaker 5: I just didn't quite understand why Emily is suddenly so
Speaker 5: concerned about Christopher's love life, well, especially because of the end, right.
Speaker 1: She's trying to get these two back together.
Speaker 2: But she isn't, which I would have thought that too,
Speaker 2: But she isn't because what she's doing is buying a
Speaker 2: house for Laura Lion Luke, So.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's just messing with her.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just a bait and switch to
Speaker 2: the audience personally, as like, you know, that's to me
Speaker 2: where the writers were going, We're going to have We're
Speaker 2: going to dupe the audience here, right, it sweeps this
Speaker 2: is that we're coming towards the end of the season.
Speaker 2: The whole episode, the audience is going to think that
Speaker 2: she's trying to get her back with Christopher, which we
Speaker 2: all are already in on the and then we get
Speaker 2: to the house and which is such a kind gesture,
Speaker 2: but I digress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, big gesture, three aggres a pond nice and.
Speaker 2: Laurel lies like so moved by it, and we get
Speaker 2: the moment of.
Speaker 4: You know, it just didn't track for me with this
Speaker 4: whole Like, yes, it's a grand and awesome gesture to
Speaker 4: buy them a house, but Emily was just at their
Speaker 4: house and saw that they renovated it and that she
Speaker 4: even complimented Lauralize saying that this is this is a
Speaker 4: homey house, like I can really see you here. So
Speaker 4: why would she then buy her a new house?
Speaker 1: Because she said that Luke wants you know, he's a man,
Speaker 1: he wants acreage and he wants to space.
Speaker 2: She wants her to have horses, and you're not going
Speaker 2: to let me throw you a wedding, right, so let
Speaker 2: me give you this house. I think it's like, you
Speaker 2: live in a nice house right now, But wouldn't you
Speaker 2: want a bigger hole? So if someone's going buy.
Speaker 5: It for you, I would take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So is this where I should talk about what I
Speaker 5: think the ulterior motive is or do we want to
Speaker 5: talk about the other scenes?
Speaker 1: No, talk about that.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 3: Let it out, Let it Okay. So now this this
Speaker 3: may be completely wacky and probably a lot of people
Speaker 3: are going to disagree with me, but I think that
Speaker 3: the house, I think it's a I think.
Speaker 5: It's a nice gesture. Let me say that. First of all,
Speaker 5: I thought it was very thoughtful that she wants, you know,
Speaker 5: Emily thinks Luke should have his own place, and they
Speaker 5: want to have horses, and you know, they can make
Speaker 5: it a star's hollow address. I did think it was
Speaker 5: a nice gesture. But the way in my brain is
Speaker 5: tying it back to the very beginning of the episode,
Speaker 5: when they were saying, how you know, we had lunch
Speaker 5: with Christopher and we're not mad at him anymore about
Speaker 5: paying for Yale and blah blah blah, because they figured
Speaker 5: out a different way to manipulate loraal life financially. So
Speaker 5: if they buy this house for her, that is yet
Speaker 5: another way that they will have something hanging over her
Speaker 5: that they can use matipulate her.
Speaker 1: But don't you think they would have done that anyway
Speaker 1: if their relationship had never gone wry. No. I think
Speaker 1: if they were close, they would have done the same thing.
Speaker 1: Had she been in some kind of a situation where
Speaker 1: whoever she married wasn't doing well enough to do that, then,
Speaker 1: because they were having a good relationship and there was
Speaker 1: never a falling out, the Gilmore would have done this anyway.
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to do something nice. Now, I
Speaker 2: think they're trying.
Speaker 5: To do something nice, but it just conveniently also benefits them.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, look, Emily is always looking for a way
Speaker 2: to be more connected to Laura, LII and Rory. Right,
Speaker 2: So I think it's a super nice gesture. It's super
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of heart to it, right because
Speaker 2: of where they did it, and that she picked the
Speaker 2: house that LAURAAI would like. She did not pick the
Speaker 2: house she would like, right, And yes, if it connect
Speaker 2: them to her, that's sort of a cherry on top,
Speaker 2: I think for her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think that that was why they were
Speaker 5: so ready to let go of the whole you know,
Speaker 5: Christopher paying for you ale thing, and like, oh, we're
Speaker 5: not mad about it anymore because we figured out this
Speaker 5: other plan. Like they didn't say that part out loud,
Speaker 5: but that's kind of in my head where they were
Speaker 5: going with it, because I can just hear, you know,
Speaker 5: at some point in the future, I can hear Emily's
Speaker 5: voice when the next time Laura I pisses her off,
Speaker 5: and you know, I can hear Emily saying, you know,
Speaker 5: after we bought that house for you, I can't believe
Speaker 5: you would say that. Like, I can totally hear that
Speaker 5: happen at some point in the future and that would
Speaker 5: be used in that way. And another thing too that
Speaker 5: I caught when Emily was saying, you know, something about
Speaker 5: how she knows that it's going to take Luke some
Speaker 5: time to get used to the idea because it is
Speaker 5: such an extravagant gift, and she says something about I've
Speaker 5: concocted a few lies that we can tell him for
Speaker 5: his own good. She can never not be devious. She's
Speaker 5: already figuring out how are we gonna lie to Luke
Speaker 5: about this house, which just annoyed me. I don't know,
Speaker 5: I just didn't think it was purely a gesture of love.
Speaker 5: I think it was calculated to benefit them.
Speaker 1: And didn't really take Luke's feelings into consideration at all.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, like Zebra doesn't change their stripe, She's
Speaker 2: still always going to be how she is.
Speaker 4: But I still was like.
Speaker 5: Not mad about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just get the house, and it was like get
Speaker 1: the three acres, Yeah, the three and I begat one
Speaker 1: of the funniest lines in the whole episode. He says,
Speaker 1: you didn't really think we were shopping for a hearse,
Speaker 1: a place where neighbor would come over with the pie
Speaker 1: and want to chit chat.
Speaker 2: What scenes did we skip? Because I know we skipped
Speaker 2: the scene of Suki and Jackson getting rid of the
Speaker 2: the marijuana when they bump into the We.
Speaker 1: Didn't skip anything.
Speaker 2: We're not there yet, that's right. So we went ahead
Speaker 2: with Suzanne.
Speaker 1: Ready to ride in the sun.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we allowed Suzanne the moment to give her yeah,
Speaker 2: ships where she calls the paper, she calls the Wall
Speaker 2: Street Journal.
Speaker 5: But we talked about that.
Speaker 1: Earlier and we didn't skip anything. We just gave you.
Speaker 2: We gave you. Yeah, gosh, Scott didn't what you have
Speaker 2: to hold.
Speaker 1: On to that? No, I unburdened yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so keep going, all right.
Speaker 1: So now we have a request coming from Rory to
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal writer to to retract, i mean,
Speaker 1: edit out change what was said by mitcham Huntsberger in
Speaker 1: the ratcle and I think it it gave birth to
Speaker 1: one of the silliest scenes. According to Suzanne. You want
Speaker 1: to you wanna opine on this scene.
Speaker 5: Well, I kind of already did. I just didn't. I
Speaker 5: think as a journalist, Rory would have known that the
Speaker 5: Wall Street Journal is not going to publish a correction I.
Speaker 2: Mean on that correction of what exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if that melodramatic tone of this episode that I wasn't.
Speaker 1: And if you're if you're at the Yale Daily, and
Speaker 1: if you're going to pick up a phone and give it,
Speaker 1: give somebody at the Wall Street Journal the business so crazy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was all right. So now we're at Luke's and uh,
Speaker 1: and Liz is having a meeting with her. Oh yeah
Speaker 1: about single mothers.
Speaker 2: Remind me that scene in Jerry Maguire when all those
Speaker 2: ladies are sitting around with Bonnie Hunt.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm like, oh my god. And Luke comes in
Speaker 1: and says, Liz want to talk to you, and they
Speaker 1: talk and then lets her know that he knows what
Speaker 1: really happened. And there's t J waiting outside.
Speaker 5: I love TJ without a jacket.
Speaker 1: Out a jacket, and he gets them back together. Isn't
Speaker 1: that nice? Uh? And now we're at with Laurel I
Speaker 1: and Emily once again, and she's taking her to the
Speaker 1: real estate office and and Laurel I wants to know
Speaker 1: why she doesn't and this is the scene we talked
Speaker 1: about with the house and uh, uh, I guess.
Speaker 4: We talked about this, says the wedding.
Speaker 1: Is it? That's the big takeaway from this?
Speaker 2: Right, leading us up to the finale of.
Speaker 1: Did that seem a little out of left field for anybody?
Speaker 2: Or yes? I think I think that it's extreme that
Speaker 2: she thinks they're like not gonna make it. Like life
Speaker 2: is hard, right, and if you're going to marry somebody
Speaker 2: you're gonna have ups and downs. So that's where I'm
Speaker 2: at on it, Like I kind of took it that
Speaker 2: I've minutes chill.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like, finally somebody is acknowledging this isn't
Speaker 4: going to happen. Like that's how for me, I was
Speaker 4: more relieved.
Speaker 2: I still get it. I don't see it not happening,
Speaker 2: do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I could have used one sort of botched attempt at
Speaker 1: communication that didn't go well and they get into a
Speaker 1: little mini fight about it or whatever, and then they're
Speaker 1: not speaking. I mean, I could have used a little
Speaker 1: fireworks to make me buy into this more.
Speaker 2: I just don't see their relationship being as disastrous as
Speaker 2: you guys. And I guess I might be wrong, but
Speaker 2: I just don't see it being either.
Speaker 1: So I don't either. I don't see, don't I don't feel,
Speaker 1: I don't see. I mean, I understand what you're saying,
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen it played out correct. It's like
Speaker 1: we don't have enough inserts or scenes. Like there's one
Speaker 1: scene of Luke in bed and the kids are downstairs.
Speaker 1: After the Field Company has a moment of reflection, he
Speaker 1: stills the ceiling because the alone he is thinking about
Speaker 1: Lorelai and am I blowing this or whatever? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but there just needs to be more of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't find I've seen many a
Speaker 2: show where relationships are terrible, and this one isn't it right.
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying it.
Speaker 4: Isn't It isn't terrible, But there's also it's not right either.
Speaker 1: But if it's not set up well, it comes off
Speaker 1: like melodrama. And that's why I came off like melodrama,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like it it seems kind
Speaker 1: of out of the blue. And then we're not gonna
Speaker 1: make it, mom right, I'm like, what right?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: Give it we needed anyway? Ah. You know, if you
Speaker 1: want to make a meal lot of it, you better
Speaker 1: prepare the food. Yeah, all right, So now we've got
Speaker 1: Suki and Jackson hustling the bags of meal the good
Speaker 1: Zepo and they mean the pickles.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what I always forget in my mind,
Speaker 2: even though I just watched it yesterday, Right in my mind,
Speaker 2: that's the end of the episode. But it isn't. Just
Speaker 2: like Gilmergle was always a little bit more okay.
Speaker 1: So they run into uh Grantly Buffalo and he's got
Speaker 1: great news and for a music just a street musician,
Speaker 1: a local street musician to say something like, hey, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna believe this. Somebody, a promoter ran into me
Speaker 1: on the street and said, hey, you want to open
Speaker 1: food a couple of dates for Neil Young. I mean
Speaker 1: that is like, you know, that's like lightning hit to you.
Speaker 1: It's it's just fantastic. And they just go, yeah, great,
Speaker 1: we gotta go.
Speaker 2: Then they just don't even care.
Speaker 1: Right then they hit the rabbi and the priest are
Speaker 1: there and they talking about some things and feelings and philosophies.
Speaker 1: You guys want to talk a little bit. Now we
Speaker 1: got to go boom. So this was maybe my favorite
Speaker 1: scene out of the whole thing. Uh And then here
Speaker 1: we are. Lorelei arrives at Suki and Jackson's place and
Speaker 1: she is in a state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I like that she went there.
Speaker 1: I liked that she's she's in a state she needs
Speaker 1: to talk or she just needs to be around her friend.
Speaker 1: And it ends with her saying what's that smell?
Speaker 2: That was good?
Speaker 1: And how many pounds of marijuana tod Suki said.
Speaker 2: Was sixty sixty something. Yeah, just sixty eight.
Speaker 1: Pounds in marijuana. That's just that's what's sixty eight pounds
Speaker 1: in marijuana?
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 1: All right? So what are we giving it?
Speaker 8: Kids, Danielle, I'm going to give it eight point seventy
Speaker 8: five pickles, bags of pickles, gotcha?
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Uh, Suzanne, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I have to continue the trend because these are not
Speaker 5: good episodes for me. I'm going to give it seven,
Speaker 5: and I am struggling to even give it that much,
Speaker 5: but I'm going to give it seven pairs of dark glasses.
Speaker 1: Seven pairs of dark glasses.
Speaker 2: Amy nine, Michelle doing a lot of calistex aerobics dance.
Speaker 1: Just call them reps.
Speaker 5: Yea, all of it.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'm gonna Now that we've discussed it and
Speaker 1: more fertile minds than I have pointed out some obvious flaws,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go below nine. I think I was gonna
Speaker 1: give it a high nine, but I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go eight point nine. Okay, almost a nine. You know
Speaker 1: you could round it to a nine. But I did
Speaker 1: enjoy the episode. I laughed quite a bit. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: the jokes. I mean, the jokes were great, but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I see everybody's point here, so that's gonna be eight
Speaker 1: point n crutches logan crutches one. Yeah, all right, so
Speaker 1: what's are we doing? Favorite lines? What's your favorite line?
Speaker 5: My favorite line was when they were at the real
Speaker 5: estate office and the lady asks Laura if she needs
Speaker 5: an hour for her headache, and Laura, no, I've had
Speaker 5: the headache for thirty Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought that was very funny. I liked that whole scene.
Speaker 2: I don't have a favorite line, but I really liked
Speaker 2: that whole everything about that whole scene.
Speaker 1: I liked Emily's line when she says, you didn't think
Speaker 1: we were gonna buy all the stars hollow? I would
Speaker 1: be terrified today it would stop chat. I'd kill myself.
Speaker 2: I was pretty in the Kirk's beard. Kirks beard.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 1: That is going to wrap it up, kids. Uh. The
Speaker 1: finale is next time Wow, Season six, Episode twenty two,
Speaker 1: end of season six, and the name of it escape
Speaker 1: me right now. I think that's the bad thing.
Speaker 2: The next episode is is it called Partings?
Speaker 7: Is that all?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Partings?
Speaker 7: You're right?
Speaker 1: Partings?
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 1: Pardines. Okay, so we'll see you next time kids. Next
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