WEBVTT - North Side Territory on Cubs adding Kevin Gausman from Blue Jays

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome into Northside Territory. Filed Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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<v Speaker 1>Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. It is

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<v Speaker 1>trade deadline time. It is going quickly. Things are happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Trek Scuble was traded to the Dodgers. The Cubs did

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<v Speaker 1>not get Schooble, but they get a big name. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he's not at his peak anymore, but Kevin gossman veteran,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously has a higher era this season. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>like four to three. I've written it so many times

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<v Speaker 1>over the past few days, but he had a start

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<v Speaker 1>in between, so now I can't remember the exact number.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's higher than you want to see. But like

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<v Speaker 1>everything underneath, the hood looks good. This is a proven

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<v Speaker 1>veteran who's performed in the postseason. A lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>the Cubs like about him. He's a rental, don't give

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<v Speaker 1>up a ton, likely gonna make playoffs, start assuming help,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he looks right on the field. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>type of talent he is. Uh, you know, not school

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<v Speaker 1>but in the rich get richer with school. Go in

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<v Speaker 1>la but this is this is a nice, nice addition

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<v Speaker 1>for the Cubs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the.

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<v Speaker 3>Reason is to be genuinely excited. And we've discussed this

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<v Speaker 3>name for a bit now. I think the Cole Hamil's

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<v Speaker 3>comp is definitely relevant and interesting. You know what we hear? Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just what a great dude Gosman is? That are

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<v Speaker 3>really plus presence in the clubhouse a guy, a guy

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<v Speaker 3>who posts to use kind of a clubhouse term. And look,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean to put up two quality starts against the

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<v Speaker 3>Dodgers in the World Series, Ah, I think tells you

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<v Speaker 3>everything you need to know. I'm not gonna spend a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of time worrying about who they gave up, but

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<v Speaker 3>not like, uh didn't seem like a whole lot. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just looking at the Athletic now the headline for Trade

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<v Speaker 3>Grade series. Is this really all the Blue Jays could

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<v Speaker 3>get for Kevin Gosman. It's by Annie McCullough and Steven Nesbitt.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know, the Cubs have the surplus of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, kind of young position players who probably don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a spot to play, and if they wind up

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<v Speaker 3>being really good and I think to get that win now,

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<v Speaker 3>piece to help you. I think Cups fans should be

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<v Speaker 3>excited about this edition.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think these are like bad prospects by any means,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're the type that they say, like a realistic

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<v Speaker 1>good outcome for these guys are like really good bench

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<v Speaker 1>player and you know, fill in if needed for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of months. You don't like, these aren't the types

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<v Speaker 1>of prospects that you say, that's a starter on a

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<v Speaker 1>playoff team, that's what you want to have in your

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<v Speaker 1>system to trade if if that's what you're training to

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<v Speaker 1>get a quality piece, I think like that's that's the

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<v Speaker 1>sign of something healthy in the organization at least because remember,

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<v Speaker 1>like we talk about this a lot, like they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>able to swing like even deals like this when their

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<v Speaker 1>system was struggling post like twenty seventeen ish, they started

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<v Speaker 1>to struggle with the system and even get like swinging

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<v Speaker 1>the smaller moves turned out to be pretty hard. Something

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked a lot about Gosman on this show, Patrick,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've explained reasons why I like him. The strikeout

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<v Speaker 1>rates the same similar to the past couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>not when he was at the top of his game.

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<v Speaker 1>The walk rates similar contact, all that stuff. The quality

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<v Speaker 1>of his pitches and the type of pitches that he's

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<v Speaker 1>throwing all very similar to recent seasons when he had

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<v Speaker 1>a better era, going in front of a better defense.

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<v Speaker 1>You touched on it, but like he is a work course.

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<v Speaker 1>He is from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>is lowest inning total was one seventy four two thirds.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this isn't the like if you grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties or nineties that that doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 1>a ton, but like he's it's like one one ninety

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<v Speaker 1>three last year. Those are really good. That's in today's game.

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<v Speaker 1>That's eating a lot of innings. That helps the team

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<v Speaker 1>in different ways. And you just hope the era is

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit lower. You get you get to a

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<v Speaker 1>point where it's a little bit lower, which I expect

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<v Speaker 1>it will be. The quality of contact stands out to

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<v Speaker 1>me is like not being that different from years past.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think the Blue Jays have a terrible defense.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not going to look it up right now,

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<v Speaker 1>but we know that the Cubs are elite. There's like

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<v Speaker 1>very few teams that you can compare with the Cubs,

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<v Speaker 1>uh defensively, and I just expect his ra to to

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<v Speaker 1>go down and be better as long as he's healthy

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<v Speaker 1>and the stuff's there. This is a guy that I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like upgrades the rotation immediately. We'll see whose spot

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<v Speaker 1>he takes. I assume it's one of ray Or Asad.

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<v Speaker 1>Cubs are getting Edward Cabrera back, and you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see if this is I don't think we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into that, but this that that won't be the only move,

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<v Speaker 1>So this rotation could suddenly feel a lot better. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize how good they've been of late. I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking up since like June first, their fifth in rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>Light like that kind of threw me off. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I realized that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it comes.

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<v Speaker 3>I do rightly spend a lot of time, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>pointing out how much more pitching they want to get.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I think this whole thing has felt

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<v Speaker 3>kind of unstable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the whole season.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I just like looking at Osmin's Baseball

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<v Speaker 3>reference page, just a number, a number four overall pick

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<v Speaker 3>out of LSU. You know he has the pedigree, Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, someone who you know, worked through some struggles

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<v Speaker 3>in Baltimore and bounced around a couple of years before

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<v Speaker 3>kind of finding himself in San Francisco and then really

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<v Speaker 3>delivering as a big time free agent in Toronto, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, going through I mean the whole Blue Jays

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<v Speaker 3>nucleus there, went through a lot, and to finally break

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<v Speaker 3>through and win a pennant and be that close to

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<v Speaker 3>win a world series.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you combine that.

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<v Speaker 3>With kind of the pitch mix pitch profile that you're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about, Sahata, I think this guy like instant, no

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<v Speaker 3>doubt upgrade over what you have.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the sense over there is that they're

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<v Speaker 2>not done yet either.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's let's take a quick break and then we

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<v Speaker 1>can discuss that.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick Gay, I don't think we've said this on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had so many texts and different threads that I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember what's been said out loud. But I believe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing again that Kevin Gosman's on, you know, rotation

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<v Speaker 1>to start Thursday, which would be against the Blue Jays.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see if that's if the Cubs stick with that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's uh that'd be interesting. Uh. I believe who's on

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<v Speaker 1>schedule for the Cubs is David Peterson. Also a trade

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<v Speaker 1>acquisition that has worked really well. I want to what

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<v Speaker 1>is it, five of six starts, six of seven starts.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been great. He's been a great addition. Uh. When

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<v Speaker 1>the Cubs were in like desperation mode to fill their rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not in desperation mode anymore. But I think what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about for the past few weeks, the

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<v Speaker 1>indications we've been getting, the way they've played, the way

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<v Speaker 1>Jet has talked, he's kind of It's not that he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have this all in mentality. He doesn't like that phrase. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And the you know, if not now when THEO line

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<v Speaker 1>maybe doesn't apply here. But we've heard nothing, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>signs have gotten nothing but signs that they want to

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<v Speaker 1>be aggressive and continue to add. And that's that hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>changed with adding Gousman like bullpen and rotation still Like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's gonna be two more bullpen,

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<v Speaker 1>one more rotation, one bullpen, get that under control guy

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<v Speaker 1>that they kind of dream for. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna stop. We like, as we record there's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna do the math, but like twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>hours or something like that. Less than that twenty hours,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's gonna be something else maybe by the time

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to this. But this this front office seems

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<v Speaker 1>pretty laser focused on upgrading pitching.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, as well they should be. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 3>the team they've built. You know, this is not a

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<v Speaker 3>Washington National situation where you kind of have a new

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<v Speaker 3>regime inheriting a lot of players and making a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of structural or stemach changes. Like this group has been

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<v Speaker 3>at it for a while. They've had a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>time to build a playoff team they did last year.

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<v Speaker 3>This one is on track as well. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>when you in talking to players, you know, in the clubhouse,

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<v Speaker 3>on the field, they think they're really, really good, and

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<v Speaker 3>not just in a way that all teams in spring

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<v Speaker 3>training think they have a chance. Like you can sort

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<v Speaker 3>of tell their tone their messaging. Obviously, the results on

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<v Speaker 3>the field you speak for itself. But they they think

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<v Speaker 3>they can do it. They think they can beat the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 3>That may be crazy. They you know, they may never

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<v Speaker 3>get the chance. Uh you know, they you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>they're stuck in the wildcard round and then have to

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<v Speaker 3>play a tough team the next round, and you're facing

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<v Speaker 3>the Dodgers in the NLCS.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw what happened to the Brewers last year. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they got swept out of it. They had no chance.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that's why you gotta load load up

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<v Speaker 3>the pitching staff here. I think getting Gosmand first freeze

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<v Speaker 3>you up a little bit. You know, if you do

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<v Speaker 3>get two really good relievers, you're already looking at a

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<v Speaker 3>scenario where in the postseason you're probably pushing you know,

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<v Speaker 3>your your Colin Ray's or David Peterson's to the bullpen

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<v Speaker 3>anyways to get out you know, certain pockets, as as

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<v Speaker 3>the manager, uh would say. And you know, schoobl obviously

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<v Speaker 3>was a big late Saturday night news break. Our colleague

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<v Speaker 3>John Greenberg asked counsel for his, you know, unfiltered reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he said something like, I was half asleep

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<v Speaker 3>and then five minutes later, I was I fell asleep,

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<v Speaker 3>And so, you know, I think people just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>assume it's gonna be the Dodgers. But you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>they have their their framework, and they when they're looking

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<v Speaker 3>at it rationally, they're like, we still need more like

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<v Speaker 3>there's not kind of oh, we got this, Like no,

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<v Speaker 3>you got to keep pushing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you said we saw this in the first half.

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<v Speaker 1>They kind of saw the first half and that spurred this.

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<v Speaker 1>And even what spurred this is what they saw in

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs. Remember all those conversations, Yeah, we've had, we

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<v Speaker 1>had during and then after how they felt they were

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<v Speaker 1>short on pitching. Uh. And then they tried to address

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<v Speaker 1>it in the offseason and they that first half you know,

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<v Speaker 1>really kicked them in the butt as far as the

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<v Speaker 1>injuries went. And and they're addressing it again.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be fat. We'll see. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>look at this. We can save this for the next podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, because if they add, especially if they add

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<v Speaker 1>to the bullpen and end another rotation member like they

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<v Speaker 1>could be looking, it's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>one of those fun, tough decisions come September. If enough

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<v Speaker 1>guys get healthy. I don't know, like we can't make

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<v Speaker 1>any assumptions with health just from what we've seen. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've all learned that, but it could be very

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<v Speaker 1>interesting in a good way for Craig Council. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>in the front office, like trying to decide, like how

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<v Speaker 1>do we work this. Uh if guys are healthy, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a discussion for another day. And we still

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen enough moves. The moves aren't done yet. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the I think that's what they want. They

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<v Speaker 1>want like these really difficult decisions of like competitions. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>constant competition doesn't matter if spring training was six months

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<v Speaker 1>ago or whatever. It's it's not like still you still

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<v Speaker 1>got to prove yourself. That's in you know, if it's

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<v Speaker 1>good enough, that's that's a nice situation to be in.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this would.

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<v Speaker 3>Fall under one of Jed Hoyer's like signs of a

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<v Speaker 3>healthy organization.

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<v Speaker 2>It's being able to be in the deal flow.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, the Dodgers are at a whole another level to

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<v Speaker 3>where we're talking about this in the Wrigley Clubhouse of

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<v Speaker 3>like they make that trade and yes, they gave up

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<v Speaker 3>a lot, but it didn't really hurt. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Cubs are not at that point or the circumstances

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<v Speaker 3>of this season didn't really motivate them the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>But they have a lot of young position players, probably

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<v Speaker 3>not enough room for them and then they're hoping for

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<v Speaker 3>what you're describing of. You know, if Gosman can maybe

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<v Speaker 3>bump Boid into a number two starter, number three starter

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<v Speaker 3>in a flatff rotation, then you have showed up. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>Cabrera is not only healthy but shows us something that

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<v Speaker 3>he hasn't really shown us consistently yet. And then just

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<v Speaker 3>this wave of relievers coming in over the top. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Council talks about Polentcia as he is a healthy pitcher.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just adding.

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<v Speaker 3>Volume, getting back into a rhythm. Compars in that same boat.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Hobie Milner should be up pretty soon.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you you know, I spoke with Ben Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>He feels good.

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<v Speaker 3>He's working on a lot of stuff like he's in

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty good place. We don't know where that where

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<v Speaker 3>he'll wind up, but it's encouraging. Justin Steele back around

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<v Speaker 3>the team this weekend. Again, you don't count on him,

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<v Speaker 3>but they they could have some some really interesting conversations

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<v Speaker 3>off only we could you know, he could actually hear

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<v Speaker 3>what they really really think. But you know they'll they'll

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<v Speaker 3>show us. And you know the idea here too, that

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<v Speaker 3>Council really stresses you don't have that August waivers period anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>So like in the next whatever, the countdown was twenty

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<v Speaker 3>hours or so, like they have to add because you

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<v Speaker 3>can't really go outside.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a couple of waiver.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some scenarios in which players become available, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's not the same trading period that we sort of

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<v Speaker 3>had grown up on when you just kind of trade.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that's how Verlander went.

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<v Speaker 2>From Detroit to used to Yeah, it's different.

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<v Speaker 3>You still guys become available, but just not in the

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<v Speaker 3>same way anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got to do you got to do your

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<v Speaker 2>work now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so just to before we wrap up and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get ready for more trades. Let's let's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of go over who they are looking at right that

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<v Speaker 1>we have at least have a decent idea that they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're casting a wide net. There are probably names that

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<v Speaker 1>we are unaware of, uh, but the controllable guys are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that I think is are is the dream

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<v Speaker 1>what they really want to shoot for? And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it they you know, they talk about the future a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a way to focus on both Redepmers and

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<v Speaker 1>Jose Soreano from the Angels, and then you know, Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like they're willing to move one more guy, whether

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<v Speaker 1>that's George Kirby or Emerson Hancock. I haven't heard that

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<v Speaker 1>the Cubs are like in love with Emerson Hancock. I

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<v Speaker 1>think George Kirby is having like a kind of down season.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've never like, people love George Kirby around the game,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Cubs would love to get their hands on

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<v Speaker 1>George Kirby. He's under control for a couple of years. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>those are the controllable guys. I wouldn't be shocked if

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<v Speaker 1>they'd still go after another rental depending on price. But

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<v Speaker 1>my guess is someone else is gonna pay a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more for the rentals now than what the that's

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of going off history of what I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, Like you pay like what's the price

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<v Speaker 1>for Clay Holmes. Eventually the rental prices kind of go up,

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<v Speaker 1>as like as we get closer to the deadline. When

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<v Speaker 1>I say up, it's like someone gets a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more desperate because it's like, oh no, all these rentals

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<v Speaker 1>are gone, Like whoa who are gonna get It's the

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<v Speaker 1>Cubs do believe they have what it takes to get

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<v Speaker 1>one of those controllable guys. They believe they have a

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<v Speaker 1>good enough system. We saw what they like. The bats,

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be bat heavy. If someone wants desperately needs

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<v Speaker 1>like a no doubt pitcher, I don't think they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to swing it. And then the relievers.

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<v Speaker 1>We've gone over a bunch of these guys, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's there's a couple of big names, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>some I'm not sure if they'll get the big names

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<v Speaker 1>to be to be honest, I think we may see

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<v Speaker 1>like an Andrew Kittridge type move, which if that works,

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<v Speaker 1>it works.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I liked your idea of you kind of take maybe

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<v Speaker 3>two or three shots on relievers and hope, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one's good one month, one goods the other, and someone's

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<v Speaker 3>clicks for the playoffs. Like it. Really, this year has

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<v Speaker 3>really shown us that Jen and those guys were right

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<v Speaker 3>about the bullpen stuff. They you know, they don't always

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<v Speaker 3>look great, proving some of those concepts in terms of,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, players they thought they were counting on and

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<v Speaker 3>have worked out. And then the under the radar guys

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<v Speaker 3>who really popped up. But yeah, I'm with you, I

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<v Speaker 3>think you get a couple more and you just have

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<v Speaker 3>to counsel and as coaches have done a good job

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<v Speaker 3>with this stuff of reframing expectations, staying on task, being creative,

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<v Speaker 3>being open minded, getting buy in. So just give them,

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<v Speaker 3>give them some more material to work with and see

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<v Speaker 3>what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a team worth investing in. They've they've

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<v Speaker 1>shown it with one with this one move here, we'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>we expect more that there will probably be more, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>none before this is posted. I'll try and get this

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<v Speaker 1>up to you guys as early on Monday as possible. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will be talking about all this soon after

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<v Speaker 1>the deadline. We'll we'll we'll have another podcast for you guys.

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