1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Well, Marv, it is such a special treat this month 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: because we have you on twice on the Velvet set. 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, so much Mark. Now today, I Chip, 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: that's a lot of mar one month. That is a 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: lot of Marv in one month. 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: But enough for me though. 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, this is Chip's first time to do a 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: podcast with you. I know you guys did a reading 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: session a couple of years ago. But I texted Marv 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, I gotta talk to you about 11 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: me and Chip's chart because recently Chip gave me his 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: birthday information. This is for all the listeners to have 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: a little backstory. And I put his chart into my 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: pattern app, which is the app that I use, like 15 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: compared to compare my chart with other people's, and Chip 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: and I had such similar charts that I got shook. 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: Do you remember when I found this out, Chip, I 18 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: thought it was shocking to me. Yes, I was so 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: shocked because I just thought, you know, I thought maybe 20 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: we had like one sign the same or anything like 21 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: that or something like that, but like we had so 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: much of the same energy, and I feel like we 23 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: present as such different humans. And I found that to 24 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: be such an interesting thing, and so I texted Marv 25 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: because I was like, this is why people don't understan 26 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: or this is what people don't understand about astrology. You 27 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: can have similar signs, even signs in the same area, 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: but the way that all of our charts work, there's 29 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: so much complexity and nuance to them that the ways 30 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: the things that make up our personality are just there's 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: so many parts. So again, it's all gonna present differently. 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: So we were gonna kind of break that down and Marv, 33 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: maybe you can help us explain to the listeners some 34 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: of the differences and why they present differently. We also 35 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about kind of the nature versus 36 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: nurture piece, like what if Chip and I's charts are 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: a lot alike, but because I'm a girl and he's 38 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: a boy, or we grew up in different places, our 39 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: family systems are different. Does that come into play when 40 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: you're really breaking down even your own astrology chart. 41 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: Well, I approach all astrology from an evolutionary standpoint, So 42 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,839 Speaker 3: you come in for self realization and then you're going 43 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 3: to face the conflicts of your life so that you 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: reorient your past and past lives as well as your 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: emotional selves and the events and experiences of each lifetime 46 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: so that you evolve right. And of course, when you're 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: looking at a chart, now, if I'm looking at an 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: individual chart, I'm looking for the evolutionary journey. When I 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: look at two charts together, I'm looking at what energy 50 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: is connected. And then the composite would tell me what's 51 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: the point of the relationship. And that could be whether 52 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 3: it's a friendship or a love relationship or whatever. So 53 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: when I look at a chart, you have to understand 54 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: you're not looking at just one planet connected to another planet. 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: You're looking at about twenty five to thirty different points 56 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: that I use and probably a hundred that astrology can 57 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: use to measure just that process of the evolutionary journey. 58 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: I like to think of it in terms of like 59 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: you two have a Neptune moon together, so there's no 60 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: doubt that you share an equal amount of sensitivity and 61 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: an equal amount of imagination. So then the point would 62 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: be where do you put that sensitivity and where do 63 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: you put that imagination? And so there's so much. I mean, 64 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: you know, when I tell you know when you first 65 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 3: start out with astrology. I used to call it when 66 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: I first started out as its stick figure astrology. Well, 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: you got a sun here, you got a moon here, 68 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: you gotta send it here. And you're just trying to 69 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: read just the snippets of the planets and the signs, 70 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: and of course and then you'll learn about the houses, 71 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: which is just the environment. So I mean you can say, 72 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: well I have this energy here, Well, you have it 73 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 3: in another environment. And so when you really become an astrologer, 74 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 3: we call it a gestalt. You have to look at 75 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: the hole. 76 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: At the whole thing. Well, because when I initially pulled 77 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: up the charts, Chip is a Scorpio sun. For anyone listening, 78 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm a cancer sign. Both water signs, and so water 79 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: signs tend to be like a little more in touch 80 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: with feelings and emotions and things like that, but Scorpio 81 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: and cancer are very different. But then I was like, 82 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: oh my god, we both have a Pisce's moon. And 83 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: the way that I initially read the chart, and this 84 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: is why we had to call harp it is because 85 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: I thought we were both trus rising, and actually Chip 86 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: is Scorpio rising. So but again Chip is water across 87 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: the board and I'm like, oh my god, that's so 88 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: many feelings. 89 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but see there's a big difference between a cancer 90 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 3: water and a scorpio water. Right number one, Cancer says, 91 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 3: here's my emotions. Go ahead, knock it off, Go ahead, 92 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: go ahead. 93 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: He's demonstrating. 94 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: Scorpio. They have a hard shell like a bondpond, and 95 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 3: you're not going to get in terror emotions very easy 96 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: at all, because they've got about a six foot wall 97 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 3: between you and them, and they've got to you've got 98 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: to be able to throw back and forth before they 99 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 3: come into any kind of trust factor that they're going 100 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: to share their emotional being with you. So big by difference. 101 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: Big difference. Well that was initially why I was so 102 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: surprised when I thought we had a similar moon and rising. 103 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: But then I was like, oh, he's got all that scorpio, 104 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: So that makes a big difference. 105 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 4: How is it possible to be a scorpio and also 106 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 4: have a scorpio rising. 107 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 3: I don't understand that the sun at the time of 108 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: your birth, the place on the earth that was coming 109 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: out of darkness into light, that degree is your rising. 110 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: Got it? 111 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 3: So, in other words, you were born at five point 112 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: forty well, so the sun would have been in the 113 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: first house and the rising would have been at in 114 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: Scorpio as well, because it don't shift until six o'clock 115 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: and so you were right in that shadow period of 116 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: where daylight nighttime turns into daylight. Ooh, and that's the 117 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: rising sign. 118 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: Got it? 119 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: Okay, But can you explain, marv like the difference between 120 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: it's showing up in your sun sign versus your rising 121 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: like most people are a lot of people don't have 122 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: the same sign. So Chip is like Scorpio through and 123 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: through because his personality. 124 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,559 Speaker 3: Well he really came in for an ass whippon woof, 125 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: tell me more, tell me more. 126 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: Here we go. 127 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: Well, no, look, this is the thing. I mean, you're 128 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: looking at environment you talked about, Well was it? Is 129 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: it where we grew up? And blah blah? 130 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: Right? 131 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you know that makes a heck of 132 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: a lot of difference. I mean, uh, he's got his 133 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: his energy is all first house, which the sun is 134 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: the dry for significance. This is where your power is, 135 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: This is where your spiritual being is. And so the 136 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: sun is your creative expression and your and all of 137 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: your being now all the other planets or how that 138 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 3: being is going to be expressed. And so when he 139 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: has a rising sign, it's the same as his sun's sign, 140 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: and the sun's in the first well, that means that 141 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: he is building a certain persona and a self expression 142 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: that is instinctive for him to put out into the world. 143 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: So we all, we all have clothes on, and so 144 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: it's how we clothe ourselves when we're in the first 145 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: house or in that extinctive self expression. 146 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: That's what you're rising. Is like that what the rising is. 147 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: And then when you move down into the first house, 148 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: the whole first house is your personal being, so that's 149 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: where you're you're you know, he's using that scorpio sun 150 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: to build his persona, to build his expression that he's 151 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: going to show the world. Right now, your son is 152 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: in the third house, where you're all about communications, siblings, 153 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: short journeys, early education, about labeling, classifying, identifying everything on 154 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: the planet so that you can feel comfortable as communicating 155 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: and being here. 156 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: Right. 157 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: So your rising is a Taurus, which is interesting because 158 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's exactly opposite. So the beautiful 159 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: thing about the relationship is is Chip is your shadow 160 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: and you are chip shadow. 161 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so our relationship if you had to like 162 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: do not a compatibility, but if you had to say 163 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: why you think Chip and I are in each other's lives? 164 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: Would it be based on that? Like we're supposed to 165 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: bring the shadow to the surface. 166 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: Oh, you got five other energies that are working together. 167 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: It's an attraction principle, which is a hell of a 168 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: lot more than one or two aspects. 169 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: So you're saying we're meant to be? Is that what 170 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 1: this is? 171 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 2: This is. 172 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: You're meant to be with every jerk and every clown 173 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 3: and every lover and every friend. Okay, so it's not 174 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: a I mean, the verbiage isn't meant to be. It is. 175 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: It is, it is. But Chip and I do share 176 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: a lot of energies together. 177 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean five is a good connection, That's. 178 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: What I thought. I mean that's so. It is just 179 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: so interesting though, because our culture, when you talk about astrology, 180 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: it's like like you go pick up a Cosmospolitan or 181 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: whatever and you're going to read about your sun sign 182 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: for that month, and it's so generalized, like there's really 183 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: no way to read those and then be accurate, because 184 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: like if I'm a Piscy's Moon and Chips of Piscey's Moon, 185 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: we can't just go read about pisces because we have 186 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: all these other layers to our personalities that lay into 187 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: what's really going to be happening for us in our 188 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: lives at that time. 189 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and the moon is nothing more than your 190 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 3: past lives, your past experiences, in your in your subconscious 191 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: Uh problems. 192 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that we both have the most emo 193 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: moon sign there is, Chip, I said it is, though, 194 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: Is that not accurate? 195 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: Emo? 196 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: Emo? Yes, it's an abbreviation for emotional. It's what that's 197 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: all the kids, that's how they say it. You're very emo. 198 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 3: Well I would submit to you that in self expression 199 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: that a cancer is probably the most emotional sign on planet. 200 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: Well. 201 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 3: Luck, I mean, you know there is. Let's understand something. 202 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: There's a big difference between sensitivity and emotion. 203 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well, so pisces is sensitive and cancer is emotional. 204 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: Well they're both pretty emotional, but is more is more 205 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: sensitive to the connections in the world around it. 206 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: Well that makes sense, Chip, don't you. 207 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 3: Okay, And so they may they may respond to the 208 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 3: emotions and to the sense they may so another word, 209 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: let me put it like this, they may respond to 210 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: the sensitivity emotionally. Yeah, but answer is just one big 211 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: ball of emotion. Because that's what they're here to do, 212 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 3: is we organize all those emotions and to get rid 213 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 3: of or to be able to control and make new 214 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: choices on those emotions because the emotions are representative of 215 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: the past, and I'm talking about the negative emotions. Of course, 216 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: we all have to have emotions to have love and 217 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: sweet and joy and kindness and all that in our 218 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: life and be able to identify that. But the moon, 219 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 3: this is the subconscious, this is women in our lives, 220 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 3: this is the mass consciousness. And so we all come 221 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: into this world with a program based on all these 222 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: other lifetimes that now we need to face those programs 223 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: so that we can make new choices and get new 224 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 3: perspectives and perceptions about them. Instead of operating in the 225 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 3: old old way, choose to operate in a new way 226 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 3: and become more clear about the truth of every situation. 227 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 4: Well, how does you know, like our parents, you know 228 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 4: obviously we can't control all of their phases. So how 229 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 4: does that affect us in terms of astrology? 230 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: Well, a hell of a great deal. Basically, the analogy 231 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: I like to use if you took a computer and 232 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: took it right off the shelf, you wouldn't have shit 233 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: to do with it. It doesn't do not So it's 234 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: got to have a program, doesn't Oh. 235 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: I see what you're Yeah, Oh you know where I'm headed? 236 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah I do. I just got it. 237 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: So they install the program and the conditioning, and this 238 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: is the caveat. They install your program, your conditioning on 239 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: the shit you need to work out, not their problems, 240 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: not not because they were the devil incarnate, but because 241 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: this is yours to work through. So if they give 242 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 3: you all that for your until you become an adult, 243 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: well now they need to turn it over and say, Okay, 244 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: this is your garbage. You go get it squared away, 245 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: because what you're squaring away is your subconscious garbage that 246 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,359 Speaker 3: you've brought over from previous lifetimes. 247 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: Obviously, Marvin I talk about this sometimes on the podcast, 248 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: but I'm under the belief that we before we come 249 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: into this life, we pick our family, as we pick 250 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: the dynamics that our soul needs to go through these 251 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: certain experiences to then evolve and do the healing from 252 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: the past lives, like you said, or to evolve as 253 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: a hue as a soul to go to our next life. 254 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: And so you would pick the parents that would trigger 255 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: certain parts in your life or in your charm or 256 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: whatever to be able to work through that. 257 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: Well, and this is this is the really deep thing. 258 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: The child picks the parent, But the really neat thing 259 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: is is the parent is the child teaches the parent 260 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: who they are. You know, it's that's still a relationship 261 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: there that's serving the whole what we call epigenetics and 262 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: ancestral functions of our life. 263 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 4: This is a little curveball what happens with kids that 264 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 4: are put up for adoption or. 265 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: It goes or parents. 266 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: You know that perve ball just got knocked out of 267 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: the part. Well, this is one of my favorite subjects 268 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: with clients because when you have a disruptive childhood, that 269 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: means you don't have the kind of foundational support that 270 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: you know, we all come to identify with a good mother, 271 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: good father. We grow up two cars, a dog, and 272 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: a home, go off to school and learn and blah 273 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: blah blah. When you have a disrupted childhood, what that 274 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: really is karmically is that you've come in with a 275 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 3: lack of self sufficiency, self identity, emotional support, so that 276 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: you have to build that into your soul. So a 277 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: soul chooses that foundational dysfunction because I mean, you don't 278 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 3: think about it in your life. I mean, everything that 279 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: you didn't have in your childhood you work very hard 280 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: for as an adult, right, Right, So you're working towards 281 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: because you had that dysfunction, and now you have a 282 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: new desire and ambition to work towards a greater self. 283 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: Right. Okay. 284 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: Doesn't that really go for everything that happens in our 285 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: lives though, because we have all these instances that come 286 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: in or different relationships or different job experiences, life experiences, 287 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: whatever it is, and ultimately aren't they set up to 288 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: help us on whatever journey it is we are on 289 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: in this lifetime. 290 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: Well, all your conditioning and pattering is, yes, set up. 291 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: I mean before you came in, you were approved by 292 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: the council, your whole map of your life. 293 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 294 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: But you see when I look at you, you came 295 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: in as this hardcore business woman that was abusive me. 296 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, little. 297 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: Sweet Kelly, Oh my god, that was so In. 298 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 3: Other words, there was too much you put a you 299 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 3: were systematized to where the goal, the belief system, the 300 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: philosophy was a strict set. 301 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: Of rules, right. 302 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 3: Okay, so you've come in to learn how to be flexible, adaptable. 303 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 3: There's a thousand ways to God, and you've got to 304 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: understand the variables and all the nuances of how other 305 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 3: people think. 306 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: Well, that certainly does sum me up, doesn't it well? 307 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: And then his issue was survival through a relationship, and 308 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 3: so there was a very strong codependency factor to where 309 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 3: you know, he acquiesced his individuality to the relationship because 310 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: he put the trust in faith in them external of 311 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 3: himself and in this life, he's got to build that 312 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: self sufficiency and that belief in himself from a standpoint 313 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: of how he wants to relate to people. And he's 314 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: got to do it Scorpio through understanding energetics and spiritualization. 315 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: Ship. Does that mean that right? 316 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: It really? 317 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 4: That tracks so hard? Like, yeah, I mean it really does. 318 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 4: And I it's funny too, because I have prided myself 319 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 4: on my individuality my whole life, which has sort of 320 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 4: kept me from being in serious relationships. And I definitely 321 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: have some codependent tendencies, but I also have tendencies to 322 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 4: like want to rail against codependence. Like I can recognize 323 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 4: when I'm being codependent immediately and be like, no, I 324 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 4: don't need to do that, like do your own thing, 325 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 4: Like I'm totally cool with that. 326 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like you're grappling with past selves with that, right. 327 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. 328 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: So you see, it's the same thing whether you come 329 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: in with the lack of a home, or you come 330 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 3: in with a lack of a state stability capability to 331 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: have a relationship in its proper context, whether you come 332 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 3: in with a almost dogma about how society and life 333 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 3: is supposed to be and should be. Right, So you 334 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: got to break down the dogma, Kelly, what. 335 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: Do you mean why'd you say to me. 336 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: Everyone? 337 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 3: No, it's not everyone. 338 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: Hell, you got to get a business lady for Halloween? 339 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: Can you? That description of me is just so classic 340 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: hardcore business lady. Marvus told me that before and he 341 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: said I was actually quite the bitch, and I'm like, really, God, 342 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: I need to channel. 343 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 2: The Devilwar's product, baby. 344 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: So I have a question about that, like, since we're 345 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: working through things from our past lives, do we bring 346 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: any of that energy into our new lives? Are we? 347 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 4: Like? 348 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: Because Chip just said something where he said, I have 349 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: this thing where I really fight against codependency in this lifetime, 350 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: like his instinct tells him that. So is that because 351 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: there's still a part of him that wants to go 352 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: to that like naturally. 353 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: Because it is. So that's a great question because this 354 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 3: is how it works when you come in and I 355 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 3: can I read that through what we call in the 356 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: nodes of the moon. When you come in, you're you're 357 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 3: coming in in the past is representative of your ego personality. Okay, 358 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: when you're here, you're trying to move towards your spiritual self. 359 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 3: If you try to go backwards, then the ego is 360 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 3: going to cause pain and suffering. 361 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that makes so much sense. I could 362 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: look in my life and go the times where I've 363 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: tried to go into straight business mode like in my 364 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: life in this lifetime, my life has exploded. It doesn't work. 365 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: So that's like what I equate to what you're saying 366 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: is my soul is not going to let that be 367 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: the way that it goes because I'm trying to get 368 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: to a more spiritual version of myself. 369 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, it's nice to know that 370 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 3: you're not a massacrest like. 371 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: Paint right most of the time though, right. 372 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 3: So, I mean that's exactly right. I mean, you're you're 373 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 3: you're compelled. I mean, that's what the soul's job is, 374 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: to keep driving you towards what you're here to learn. Listen, 375 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 3: why it's so danged important that you stay in the moment, 376 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: or at least at the very least stay in today, 377 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: right because you know, I love One of my favorite 378 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 3: sayings in all of life is choice collapses all time. 379 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 3: So when you're confronted with anything and everything in your life, 380 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: you have a moment in time of eternity that you 381 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 3: get to make a choice about your perspective and perception, 382 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: your judgments, and your shortcomings failings. So when you make 383 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: a choice to move towards your spiritual self, well then 384 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: you're healing your ancestors, you're healing your life, You're healing 385 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 3: everything you see. And so the healing process, I mean, 386 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 3: it's not necessarily automatic. I mean you've we've all met 387 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: people that you know, we're wondering if they've made a 388 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 3: step forward ed your CASEY talked about this entity has 389 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: gained a step in this lifetime. This entity gained two 390 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: steps and took one step back. Can't this this entity 391 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: failed in this lifetime? 392 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: And so I was going to hear that, like this, 393 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: is it ever degenerative? 394 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 3: Like or candidate? If you okay, if you stay stuck 395 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: in your ego personality self, you're absolutely going to fail 396 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 3: in the lifetime. 397 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: Interesting. 398 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: Okay, So like those people that we're so they're not 399 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: going to change, that's kind of what that looks like. 400 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: Well, it's not so much change because you don't know 401 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: what their their plan is change. 402 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, what if they're an asshole and they just 403 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: are going to be an asshole for the rest of 404 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: your lives? 405 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 2: Politicians put on that list? 406 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, like, well, I mean is that a failure or 407 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: is that like what they're here to learn this life? 408 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: You're not going to know a failure because you're not 409 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 3: going to be in judgment, judge judge, not let be judge. 410 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: I know, I know I don't want to be judged, 411 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: so I can't judge anyone else. 412 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 3: But I mean, you know is look this is I mean, 413 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 3: an asshole could be an asshole and attract the kind 414 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 3: of people that need an asshole in their life, right right, 415 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 3: Just look at a child born with a great disease 416 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: or illness. Who do you think that that soul came 417 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 3: in to have this illness and disease. Why chip, I mean, 418 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: that's your that's your biggest question in life is why? 419 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: What is? 420 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: Why? 421 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 3: Why this? Why that you know? And so the ques 422 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: the answer to that is is because it serves the 423 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: people that they are connected to. Yeah, you know, when 424 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 3: you when you transition ship man, you die and you're 425 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 3: in heaven, right or you're on the other side, Glory 426 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 3: be to you and you let who you've left is 427 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: people in their personalities and egos and in the physical 428 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: realm that's now got to deal with it for however 429 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 3: long the rest of their life or whatever. So it's 430 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: it's given people a chance to learn compassion learn. I mean, 431 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: what kind of lessons would you get from having a 432 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 3: child that is born with a malady or an illness 433 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 3: or whatever? Oh God, it forces you to learn a 434 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 3: very valuable lesson. I mean, I just came across some 435 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: stuff I was material I was going through the other 436 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 3: day of why people come in that are you know, 437 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 3: maybe in wheelchairs and they're disfigured, but because they're serving people. 438 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 3: They're serving others by by by just projecting that, you know, disability. 439 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: And all of that challenge. 440 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the people have got to now internalize 441 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: that and come to terms with that. Uh. So that's 442 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 3: a lesson than and of itself, and that's a gift 443 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 3: because that person that comes in as disabled and and 444 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 3: uh not able to live or be normal, that's a 445 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 3: sacrifice that they chose. My other favorite quote is La 446 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 3: Zoo said, let reality be reality. So you look at it. 447 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 3: It's tragic, it's ugly, it's it's it's uh, it's it's 448 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: all the you know adjectives you could you want to 449 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: use against about it, because we're all connected and you're 450 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: here and you agreed to come here to serve in 451 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: whatever capacity that you're being given and shown. And I 452 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: like Yoga Nanda what he said, nobody gets out of 453 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: this until we all get out of this. So humanity 454 00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: is a collective that we're all working together. We're all connected. 455 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 3: The universe is connected. We don't know the plan, we 456 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 3: don't know the rhyme and the reason. We just have 457 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: to have a sense of trust and faith within ourselves 458 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: to evolve within who we are and become the best 459 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: persons we can be. 460 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: Right, I think the hard part about the like it 461 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: is what it is, or everything has ether, there's a 462 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: plan for everything or whatever quote you just said is 463 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: I think people take that, and I know I personally 464 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: have too, as like dismissive of the feelings around it. 465 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: And nobody's trying to say that, oh, that happened for 466 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: a reason, like you deserve it, you know, like everything 467 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: happens for a reason. Sounds dismissive of all the pain, 468 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: right that people would feel, And that's not at all 469 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: what it is. It's just sort of like what Marvel 470 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 1: always says to me is it's already mapped out, and 471 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: that kind of like hits in a different way because 472 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: it's like, right, if you think about that, we did 473 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 1: this before we came in, and we are doing it 474 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: for our soul's evolution, even the pain, probably especially the pain, 475 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: it kind of then maybe leaves more space for the 476 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: feelings around it, because yeah, like you said, Chip, that 477 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: is probably the worst pain anyone could ever go through, right. 478 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that what it's done is I mean, 479 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: you know, this is like any you know, it's the 480 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 3: jargon that we use in different decades and so forth, 481 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: but it is what it is. You know. It kind 482 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: of lends people to think that, you know, there's no 483 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: change there you're accepting bad things and so forth. So 484 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: I think that that's why I like, just let it 485 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: be what it be. Let reality be reality. Yeah, I 486 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: mean the reality is is this is that, and this 487 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: affects you in a certain way, and you grow from 488 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: it hopefully and life continues. 489 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 4: Right, And I mean I think the reality is also 490 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 4: it's painful, so it does acknowledge that, like that is 491 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 4: the reality that the people that are left behind are 492 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 4: dealing well. 493 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: And I mean, look how we're programmed. We're programmed to 494 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: get out of pain. 495 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: Right, yeah. 496 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 3: And so in other words, instead of just you know, accepting, 497 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 3: I mean, the best way to get rid of pain, 498 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: the best way to deal with pain is accept the 499 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: pain and use the subconscious to understand that it's simply 500 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: a signal. You can get rid of fifty percent of 501 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 3: your pain, right just by that. 502 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: It's so true. The more you try to avoid it, 503 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: the worse it feels. Actually yeah, yeah. 504 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: And so everything works together. I mean, you know, I 505 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: just saw a map. I'm forgetting where I was looking 506 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 3: at it, but the spider web, and it's even more 507 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: intricate than the web. I mean, it's a the way 508 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 3: the universe is constructed, the whole universe is constructed through 509 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: this tons of web of connections of strings running off 510 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 3: a like a tree, but only a thousand times more 511 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 3: intricate than a tree, so that if you look down 512 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 3: into the body, I mean you're looking down into some 513 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 3: of the nuclei. The body is connected, just like the 514 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 3: universe is connected. So all that connection is total and 515 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 3: complete on all the physical realm, it's all connected. 516 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 4: Sitting here and listening to this, it's you know, it's 517 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 4: not dissimilar to sort of Christian beliefs too. You know, 518 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 4: it's like God's plan. You hear it all the time, 519 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 4: Like this is what God shows to me. It's what's 520 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 4: interesting is when I look at an astrology chart and 521 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 4: can sort of see the like physical manifestation of how 522 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 4: things are connected. It makes a lot more sense to 523 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 4: me than Bible and Christianity because those are stories, and 524 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 4: I don't discount it because I think people need that. 525 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 4: But to me, it's like, how is an astrologer not 526 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 4: sort of the central like some world famous astrologer, sort 527 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 4: of the God that we. 528 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: All know, you mean, like why is it not in 529 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: comparison to like Jesus. 530 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, because like I can see this map and be like, oh, 531 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 4: well that line goes there, and that line goes oh, 532 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 4: that makes sense, whereas the Bible is just something that 533 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 4: you have to believe in. 534 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 3: That's the problem with dogma. I mean, they use it 535 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 3: as a battlestick when they can't when they have no 536 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 3: further explanation, right when when you're really looking at it 537 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 3: from a universal consciousness, you're understanding that that gives you 538 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: an opportunity to go deeper into a spiritual paradigm. 539 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: Right. 540 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 3: That is not just you know, it isn't just what 541 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 3: is what it is. It's at universal consciousness that we're 542 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 3: all connected, we're all growing and learning and interacting so 543 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 3: that we can become all self realized. And so the 544 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 3: you know, the Carl of astrology is Dane Rudyar and 545 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 3: one of my teachers called him the greatest astrologer in 546 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: the last epoch, which is twenty six thousand years. But 547 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when you look at his work 548 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 3: and the way he broke it all down, it was 549 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 3: just I mean to me, it was all channeled. I mean, 550 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 3: it was coming straight from spirit. And so the great 551 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 3: teachers are all like that. They all kind of write 552 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 3: in the same way. Their verbage connects in the same way. 553 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 3: So you know, I look to that kind of thing 554 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 3: an astrology. I mean, you know, look, we can I 555 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 3: can look at your energy and I can say, oh, 556 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 3: this is that energy there, but I don't know how 557 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 3: you're going to use it until I talk to you. 558 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you use it whatever way you want to 559 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 3: use it. 560 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: Right. That circles back to what we were saying at 561 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: the beginning of the conversation, like and I could have 562 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the same energies, but we might use 563 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: it completely differently. 564 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean you know you have to understand 565 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 3: when you're using energy. The way with astrologers really look 566 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 3: at it is in pairs. If you look at the pair, 567 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 3: then what you're looking at is let's just take Mars's action. Well, 568 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 3: if you take an action based upon your solar principle 569 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 3: of what you desire, well, then who's the payoff. The 570 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: payoff is venus, The payoff is love, joy happen as harmony, musical, 571 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 3: and so every action you take is you are trying 572 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 3: to look for something that's bigger, better, greater than where 573 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 3: you're at at this moment. So there's compensation there. When 574 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 3: we look at your reality structure that has the flaws 575 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 3: of perspective, perception, opinion, and judgment. Well, your growth factor 576 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 3: is Jupiter that says, well, if you move towards a 577 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 3: spiritual concept, then you'll have more gifts than you can 578 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 3: ever imagine, and you'll see the brine and the reason 579 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 3: of why you've constructed reality that is just so painful 580 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 3: when you experience some aspects of it, And this gives 581 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 3: you an opportunity to change your perspective and your attitude. 582 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that to me is why I've 583 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: gotten into astrology so much. And like, just to even 584 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: bring it back to the comparison of religion, I think 585 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: everyone gets it in whatever way that works for them. 586 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: So whatever works for you is always kind of like 587 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: what I support. But for me, this understanding of the 588 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: different parts of my chart and even like my friend's charts. 589 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: That's why I was so excited to like see Chips 590 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: stuff is because then I can get that kind of 591 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: see maybe why we're in each other's lives like I do. 592 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, because with three planets in Scorpio, you don't really 593 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 3: see Chip. 594 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: Oh look at that? Where is he? Where am I? 595 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 3: You have no idea who is. 596 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's six foot wall. 597 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 3: Just amount the time you think you know the old 598 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 3: Chipper buddy, it starts grinding away. 599 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: Well, that is true about Chip, Like there have been 600 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: moments where I'm like, wait, what something. He'll do something 601 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: or say something, or even get emotional about something or 602 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 1: go deep and it throws me sometimes because it wasn't 603 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: what I would have expected. So I'm constantly. 604 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 3: Well, and I mean, you know, when I looked at 605 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 3: his shard, I mean the wonderful thing that I saw. 606 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 3: And no one knows what little bit I know about him. 607 00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 3: I mean he's got a Mars retrograde. That means he 608 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 3: actually has to ask the question of why people are 609 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 3: like they are? 610 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: Do you know what? 611 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 3: Ja says? That helps him, That helps him to individuate 612 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 3: and become his own man. Okay, And that grows his 613 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 3: pathology by questioning society's law, laws and rules and go, oh, 614 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 3: this is a way it's supposed to be it should be, 615 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 3: says who. 616 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 2: He does do that all the time. 617 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: That literally, Marv. The question that Chip ask almost every 618 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: day in some capacity is what if? And he creates 619 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,959 Speaker 1: a scenario that we're all like, what, how did Yeah, 620 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: he's like constantly weighing other options, or he has this 621 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: like innate curiosity about everything. 622 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 3: So now you see what histrology does. It's a built 623 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 3: in factor to help him grow to become his self 624 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 3: made man. 625 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: Right, and with. 626 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 3: Being scorpio, it's a spiritual man because ultimately, scorpio is 627 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 3: the first sign of spiritualizing. And so until the scorpio 628 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 3: learns how to use their psychic intuitive energy and become 629 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 3: the healers that they are, they're constantly being the scorpio 630 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 3: of stinging themselves because the physical feel good. 631 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: Wait what, I don't get that last part. 632 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 3: Well, in other words, the scorpio sings itself to death 633 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 3: just because you know it's that, you know, the physical 634 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 3: is more important than the spiritual, until you stung yourself 635 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 3: so much that you know, you go through the death 636 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 3: and dying process so much that ultimately you have to 637 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 3: look up and you have to start looking towards a 638 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 3: greater consciousness, which is why they become the eagle and 639 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 3: flying high above the material world so that they can 640 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,760 Speaker 3: look down on the physical world. This is why sex 641 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 3: is so important, money is so important. Ship Scorpios have 642 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 3: a death wish every day, am I right. 643 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,439 Speaker 4: Ship, Yeah, you should have seen me at the pool 644 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 4: the other day. 645 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 3: They will take a risk just to defie death all odds. 646 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: That makes sense. 647 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 3: I just look at the first and defied death, I said, Ship, 648 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 3: that's a scorpio. 649 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,919 Speaker 1: I do just think it's so interesting, and I think 650 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: this is kind of the point of our this podcast. 651 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: But like the way that our charts in this lifetime, 652 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: it's so specific and like you're saying right now, you're 653 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: describing these parts of Chip's personality that I would have 654 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: never anticipated would show up on his astrology chart, but 655 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: just goes to show like it is all exactly as 656 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: it should be. But I think when we start comparing 657 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: it to past lives is where it's just so interesting. Like, 658 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, I used to feel very much like, oh, 659 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: why did I want to be or why did I 660 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: Why am I such a feeler? Like it felt like 661 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: such a burden to me in this lifetime to feel 662 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: the way I do all the time. But obviously I 663 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: had to be that way in this lifetime for my 664 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: soul to grow because I wasn't that way in other lifetimes. 665 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: And so it's like this constant lesson. 666 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 3: Well, and it's interesting, what do you mean when I'm 667 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 3: saying that, when I look at the two combinations of 668 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 3: the chart, in other words, I put your hit your 669 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 3: wheel on the middle, and his wheel on the outside. Yeah, 670 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 3: I mean his venus is in libra. So he you're 671 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 3: learning a lot about relationships from him, either direct or symbiotically. 672 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 2: Look at that. 673 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: Oh, you're so excited about that. 674 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:17,240 Speaker 3: So he teaches you a great deal about relationships and interrelating, 675 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 3: and he's teaching you how to disconnect into that individuality 676 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 3: that I've been after you for so long. 677 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 1: That makes sense, and. 678 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 3: So you grow through his through observing his individuality and 679 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 3: challenge to get to more individuality and spiritualizing processes. So 680 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 3: you're teaching him how to utilize relationships as a factor 681 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 3: of what is their need and you know, how can 682 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 3: I serve them? And then that helps him get more 683 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 3: into utilizing his strength and power to break free from 684 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 3: that the old paradigm for him, which is his spiritualization, 685 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 3: comes by breaking down patterns that you're very familiar with, 686 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 3: and that's the getting out of his head, getting out 687 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:23,280 Speaker 3: of a strict dogma or belief system that things got 688 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 3: to be this way or that way, and get into 689 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 3: that whole individuality and intuitive, progressive and the aquarium side 690 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,240 Speaker 3: of life. So he coming into his his actually coming 691 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 3: into his better half of his life. 692 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: See, it feels opposite to me, did it? 693 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 3: Not? 694 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,919 Speaker 1: Like those discussions if I had, if I had heard 695 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: them separately, I would think exact opposite of who's teaching 696 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: who was? 697 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 3: Well? 698 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 4: I mean I think maybe the word teaching is throwing 699 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 4: Like I'm thinking, like even the opportunity to join this 700 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 4: podcast and sort of evolve vocally and share things, is 701 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 4: you teaching me or giving me the opportunity or the 702 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 4: tools to evolve? 703 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so I sort of tracks with me. 704 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I can think of instances where I've like 705 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 4: probably have helped you with your individuality without even realizing 706 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 4: that's what I'm doing. 707 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: No, I definitely think that's what I thought. He said 708 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: I was doing that for you. 709 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 4: But no, what he's saying is that the things that 710 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 4: you were teaching me is to sort of get away 711 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 4: from the belief systems of like things have to be 712 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 4: a certain way. And when I, like, I was also 713 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 4: thinking about like growing up as a gay kid in 714 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 4: a family that was super conservative. 715 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 2: Like it's all tracks too. It's like, yeah, you. 716 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 4: Know, no, things don't have to be the way that 717 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 4: everyone thinks that they have to be. They can be 718 00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 4: just like I am, and that's okay. And so I 719 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 4: think by you inviting me onto this to share my 720 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,879 Speaker 4: perspective with your listeners, is you teaching. 721 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: Me that that makes sense? 722 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 2: Giving me the opportunity to learn. 723 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 3: And think about it. I mean, she probably teaches you 724 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 3: a hell of a lot about emotions and then how 725 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 3: she organizes them, and then how you feel about certain 726 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 3: things that she gets all sideways about, and how you're 727 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 3: trying to You get sideways in your own silent way, 728 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 3: but just observing her get sideways and man, you know, 729 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 3: out in the world, and you're going, well, yeah, I 730 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 3: can make that adjustment to where you know it's okay 731 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 3: for me to take an action. 732 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: That is from an emotional standpoint. Yeah, we have And of. 733 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 3: Course you know you're Her wounding is in Taurus, which 734 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 3: means that she's trying to find her rootedness in groundedness. 735 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 3: And because she's trying to learn how to manifest from 736 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 3: a self sufficiency and self worth standpoint, this helps you 737 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 3: see as she's growing, This helps you get out of 738 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 3: your head. In terms of love, and say, oh, that's 739 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 3: actually a physical feeling instead of it all up in 740 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 3: my head. I can feel the love, I can enjoy 741 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 3: the love, I can embody the love. And then that way, 742 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 3: that again helps you correct some of your struggles with 743 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 3: relationships and so forth, because love is a physical thing. Yeah, 744 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,399 Speaker 3: it allows you. It allows you to share your energy uninhibited. 745 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: Right. 746 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 2: Unapologetically. Yeah. 747 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 3: Yes, And so you know we're all teaching our We're 748 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 3: all teaching each other. It's not just a one sided 749 00:46:59,000 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 3: thing for sure. 750 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: I think the thing like you're right about the word 751 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: teaching chip because it is like it's not like I'm 752 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,320 Speaker 1: sitting here doing a lesson plan and I'm like, you 753 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 1: know what, I'm a teacher today when me get about 754 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: whiteboard out, it's not like that. But it's just like 755 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: my energy does something in your life that opens your 756 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: awareness to something else, and vice versa with everyone we 757 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: meet with. Every Like even you said, I think your 758 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: family is the perfect example, like you came into this 759 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: world different from them on purpose, like that was a 760 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: huge part of your life's plan. And so I just 761 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,839 Speaker 1: think it's like fascinating to look at And that's where 762 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: astrology really does help. And I love I mean, you know, 763 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: whenever dating comes up, I'm like sending Mark charts and 764 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, can you run this and make sure we're compatible? 765 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: And like all this stuff. It's so interesting to see 766 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,320 Speaker 1: why people are in your life because there's always something 767 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: to learn, There's always something to learn. 768 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 3: So the answer is just to jump in Kelly. 769 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:07,720 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I do now, Marv. But case in point, 770 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: this is why I always recommend for people to go 771 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,800 Speaker 1: get a chart reading versus just be like plugging stuff 772 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: into an app and saying, oh, I'm a tourist that 773 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: means this. It's like there's so much more complexity to it. So, Marv, 774 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 1: if people do want to go get a reading with you, 775 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 1: where would they find you. 776 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 3: They would find me at astro maarv dot com. 777 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: Astro marv dot com and you can send Marv an 778 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: email at Marvin at astromarv dot com. I'll always put 779 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: that in the description of the podcast. Chip. Do you 780 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: have any final questions you want to leave? Marvin? 781 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 4: No, I mean, I'm sure I could come up with 782 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 4: a million, but we could. Yeah, and Marv, I need 783 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 4: to like actually come see you now that we can actually. 784 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 3: Oh, that was the plan. Kelly. 785 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 2: There you got it. 786 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: Mark all right. Well, thank you guys for being here 787 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: with us to go through the charts. To go check 788 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 1: out Marv. I'll put all the description. I'll put all 789 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: his info in the description on this podcast. Marv. Thank 790 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: you again for being here twice this month, and we'll 791 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:20,360 Speaker 1: see you again in February. Thank you guys for listening. 792 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 3: Bye bye.