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Speaker 1: Dan and mc dane's Dan Patrick Show. Busy show yesterday

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Speaker 1: with the news the Tennessee volunteers and what coach prewitt's

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Speaker 1: assistants were doing with putting money in McDonald's bags for recruits.

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Speaker 1: By the way, two sources, two independent sources on that story.

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Speaker 1: The other story that was attached to this, There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in Tennessee saying, what about Hugh Freeze?

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Speaker 1: Bringing Hugh Freeze and the story that didn't get a

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Speaker 1: lot of coverage is what I also told you. My

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Speaker 1: source said he thinks the SEC might be saying to Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: Ye're not bringing in Hugh Freeze, as if to say

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Speaker 1: we're going to blackball him. Now that's not the word

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Speaker 1: that was used, but that's the feeling. Now, technically, the

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Speaker 1: SEC and you know Greg Sank can't say to Tennessee, hey,

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Speaker 1: you can't bring him in. I think it's a strongly

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Speaker 1: suggested statement, is probably how I'd characterized this. But I

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Speaker 1: know there was talk about Hugh Freeze and maybe he

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Speaker 1: could come in. The SEC has already been down this

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Speaker 1: road before with Hugh Freeze, an old miss. Hugh Freeze

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Speaker 1: has done a great job at establishing Liberty as a

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Speaker 1: top twenty five football program. But what I was told

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Speaker 1: is that the SEC is strongly discouraging Tennessee from hiring

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Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze, whether they do or not. And the other

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Speaker 1: name that was brought up was Jason Witten, who is

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Speaker 1: still playing with the Raiders or at least on the

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Speaker 1: roster there, and he might be the guy former Tennessee

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Speaker 1: volunteer to come to the rescue with that program. So

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Speaker 1: that was yesterday. But you know, people questioned, and that's fine.

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Speaker 1: You can question, you know, my source or sources on

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Speaker 1: this if you want to. But they've been impeccable this

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Speaker 1: entire college football season. And this one was two independent sources.

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Speaker 1: Because once I heard that it was money in a

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Speaker 1: McDonald's bag, I should try to, you know, have somebody else,

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Speaker 1: if somebody else knows anything about this, because it was

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Speaker 1: so egregious, like they weren't trying to hide this, and

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Speaker 1: I thought, well, there's got to be somebody else who

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Speaker 1: to me to say, just so you know, your source

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Speaker 1: is right. Two independent sources on putting money in a

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Speaker 1: McDonald's bag. Yes, boy. It got a lot of reaction

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Speaker 1: yesterday to the McDonald's story with Knoxville and Jeremy pruittt

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Speaker 1: some fan of the show. He just went to a

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Speaker 1: local McDonald's in the drive through and asked for the

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Speaker 1: Vall's happy meal, and the woman that the Connors just like,

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Speaker 1: we don't have anything specific as Oh, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was gonna be great. Yeah, I thought we should have

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Speaker 1: had McDonald's yesterday. I don't know what I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: It's all about content. We should have had, you know, Mario,

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Speaker 1: go through the drive through and get us some McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: Yes point, there are eighteen McDonald's in the Knoxville area,

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Speaker 1: so we don't know which one now we do not.

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Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean they went to McDonald's to get

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Speaker 1: their money, but they the money was in the McDonald's bags.

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Speaker 1: So that's where you go, Hey, we got lunch for

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Speaker 1: all right, I like this place. Do you ask for

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Speaker 1: pull question, play of the day, A couple of stats

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Speaker 1: day coming up. Inauguration Day in Washington is not a

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Speaker 1: sporting event, but the Oval Office and sports have always

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Speaker 1: I mean, Polly wanted to save this, but I can't.

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Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer seventeen years. He's got numbers,

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Speaker 1: Phil Rivers was a starter for fifteen seasons, and seven

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Speaker 1: But that's not why you should go into the Hall

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Speaker 1: a lie detector test. This is different. And I think

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Speaker 1: you know, with the lawsuits, independent doctor looking at Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can go hey, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'll pass you. You know, the home team doctor gave

427
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Speaker 1: you a home team advantage, but you don't have that now.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's a tricky situation for

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Time. The other thing

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Speaker 1: is if he does have a concussion and he starts

431
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Speaker 1: experiencing any symptoms in the coming days, he's got to

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Speaker 1: go back to Stage one of the concussion protocol and

433
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Speaker 1: there's a limited number of days until Sunday's coming up.

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Speaker 1: So that's another fact. If all of a sudden things

435
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Speaker 1: are bright or he's experiencing nausea or anything, he's got

436
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Speaker 1: to go back to square once. McLevin. Did you see

437
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Speaker 1: any language though on could it be nerve damage and

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Speaker 1: it's not a concussion? But yeah, but he has was

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Speaker 1: he originally diagnosed with the concussion. Therefore he had to

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Speaker 1: go through concussion protocol like that. That's mandatory, I believe, so, yes, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which makes it And you know the thing I was

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Speaker 1: going to ask you about concussions, like you can't see

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Speaker 1: any you can't prove anything, but you can't see inside

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Speaker 1: the brains. You have to go on symptoms like I dilations. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I've had two concussions and one was horrible, just

446
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Speaker 1: id I had no business being on my feet at all.

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00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: The other one I didn't know I had a concussion.

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00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: I had to be told I had a concussion. There's

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Speaker 1: varying degrees of this, and you'll find these players that

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Speaker 1: you get your bell rung, and then we find out

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Speaker 1: getting your bell rung probably means you had a concussion,

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Speaker 1: and it's you know, people go, well, it's like minor surgery.

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Speaker 1: You can have a slight concussion. Now, if you've ever

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Speaker 1: had surgery, at surgery and if you ever can have

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Speaker 1: a concussion, it's a it's a concussion. Now you know

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Speaker 1: the severity of it. Because I was nauseous. I was

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Speaker 1: it was almost like I'd been on a boat and

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Speaker 1: I was csick and it was where you just want

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Speaker 1: to lie down and that the room spins, I saw stars.

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Speaker 1: It was a horrible experience. But the other one that

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Speaker 1: I had, I didn't know that I had it, and

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Speaker 1: then I realized that I did, and then you start

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Speaker 1: to have some symptoms there. I don't know if Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes has a concussion, but you have to go through

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Speaker 1: that process there, and then just the preparatorial work for

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills is really key. I know they played

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Speaker 1: them already and it is Patrick Mahomes, but just getting

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Speaker 1: ready for the Buffalo Bills and the whole process and

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Speaker 1: these are creatures a habit. I do this on Monday,

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Speaker 1: I do this on Wednesday, Thursday, I do this. He

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Speaker 1: might not be able to do that, and that's also

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Speaker 1: something to factor in. Yeah, Polly, you know what Joe Thomas.

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Speaker 1: The off the tackle was talking about yesterday was kind

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Speaker 1: of even more scary. He was talking about nerve damage

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Speaker 1: and when you get hitten nerve, some of your body

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Speaker 1: parts don't move normally for the next few minutes or

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Speaker 1: a few seconds. And to me, I think, I think

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Speaker 1: most football players have had a bunch of concussions, light ones, things,

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Speaker 1: bell wrongs, But that nerve thing where you put your

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Speaker 1: foot down and it's not stable, that's gotta be really scary.

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Speaker 1: What did he call that, like a dead foot or

482
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Speaker 1: like he yeah, you needed to help off the field

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Speaker 1: and it was just a nerve. It wasn't a concussion.

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Speaker 1: It was nerve damage there all right. Eight seven seven

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Speaker 1: three p show email address dp A dan Patrick dot com,

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Speaker 1: Twitter handle at dp show. Tiger is out for two months.

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Speaker 1: He had a back procedure. He's had back surgeries, but

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Speaker 1: this was just a procedure. I'm not sure the difference,

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Speaker 1: and I probably had quite a few procedures because I've

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Speaker 1: had quite a few surgeries. Do you have the definition

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Speaker 1: the medical definition of a procedure as opposed to a surgery.

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Speaker 1: Are you suggesting we play the surgery versus procedure game?

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Speaker 1: Because we've been I've had this one in the stall. Fay. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know we were ready for that, but yeah, sure.

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Speaker 1: The difference between a procedure and a surgery. This guy

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Speaker 1: is not an athlete, but he's had a couple of procedures. Paul,

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Speaker 1: who in this room part one of the quiz, thinks

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Speaker 1: there is a difference between a surgery and a procedure

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people think it's just a sports

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Speaker 1: team term to make it seem like it's not as

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Speaker 1: important or not as serious. Who thinks there as a

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00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: technical difference? I do? I do? I think too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're all yes, you're all correct. There's a difference. Surgery

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Speaker 1: is an invasive technique with a fundamental principle of physical

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Speaker 1: intervention on organs or organ systems. That means they cut

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Speaker 1: you open and enter and they're doing stuff inside your

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Speaker 1: body cavity okay, okay. As a general rule, and this

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Speaker 1: is they said, it's developed over the years. A procedure

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Speaker 1: is consider is not considered surgery when it involves cutting

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Speaker 1: into the tissue or closure of our previously stained wound.

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Speaker 1: So let's say you you had back surgery and it

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Speaker 1: was big, but they go back in, cut the same

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Speaker 1: little area, open up, and do a cleanup. That is

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Speaker 1: considered in the medical field a procedure. It's not a

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Speaker 1: new surgery. It's kind of like a clean up on

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Speaker 1: all five. Yes, yes, time, So all procedures, all surgeries

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Speaker 1: are procedures, but not all procedures or surgeries. Can we

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Speaker 1: say that? I think so complicating things more. I think Todd,

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Speaker 1: you're you're wrong ish because a surgery is bigger than

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Speaker 1: a procedure because they use a phrase up as a

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Speaker 1: surgical procedure, which is also a surgery. Dan, You've had

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Speaker 1: shoulder surgery, right, and knee surgery. Okay, So let's say

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Speaker 1: they went into your shoulder and they noticed there's a

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Speaker 1: little chip missing. Yeah, and they went in just did

525
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: a quick cleanup of that chip in your shoulder. That

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Speaker 1: would be considered a procedure because it's the same area.

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Speaker 1: All I know is if you put me under and

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Speaker 1: I'm on a slab and you're going into my body

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Speaker 1: and cutting into it, that's a surgery. Yes, that's correct. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's even if you've gone in before. Because

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Speaker 1: I've had my knee cut on what six times, they

532
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: go in the same places because they have the holes.

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Speaker 1: There is that surgery or a procedure. I think you've

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Speaker 1: had one surgery and five procedures checking my notes, okay,

535
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: but what doesn't mean you weren't out and it didn't hurt.

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00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: When I got my knee replaced, that's a surgery, that's

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00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: all right. And then when I got my rotator done,

538
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: surgery okay, But when he got it done again, procedure,

539
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't. Yeah. Now I get bummed out, like you know,

540
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Speaker 1: when you say I have had six surgeries on my knee. Man,

541
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: you must have been an athlete. If I say had

542
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Speaker 1: one surgery and five procedures, you're too far down the

543
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Speaker 1: road to stick with what you did. What do you

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Speaker 1: think about surgeries where you're still awake? Do they seem

545
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: like JV surgeries? No? Because I had my knee done

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Speaker 1: and this was doctor Ting in San Francisco, who was

547
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: the Giants physician, and he worked on Barry Bonds. He

548
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: said to me some of this, No, no, I would

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Speaker 1: have taken some of that. He said to me, do

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Speaker 1: you want to be awake for this? And I go, good, God, no? Why?

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00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: He goes, well, I thought you might want to watch

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Speaker 1: this and what he would do is they would numb

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Speaker 1: you from like a local in your knee, and I,

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Speaker 1: you know this way, you don't wake up. And if

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00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: you've ever got you know, come out of anesthesia, you

556
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: be nauseous, you don't feel good at all. And he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, this eliminates that. And you can watch me

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Speaker 1: go in and this. I had the micro fracture surgery,

559
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: so he thought, you're gonna want to see this. And

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00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, he has the drill bit where he goes

561
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: into the knee and he's trying to find healthy cartilage

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00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: or blood in there. And he gave me the VHS

563
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Speaker 1: tape of my knee surgery. I told you guys this story.

564
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: We watched. I think we saw some pictures from it.

565
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: I was my wife and I were getting ready to

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Speaker 1: watch something and we had it on VHS. Might have

567
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: been a Seinfeld episode, and I put this in and

568
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: we were actually having spaghetti as God is my witness,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you see this drill going

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Speaker 1: into my knee. No we didn't. I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: it was. And my wife goes, oh my god, what

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00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: is this. I go, oh, that's my knee surgery. Well,

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00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: cartilage and pasta. Yeah, cartilage primavera. Yeah. Yeah. I had

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Speaker 1: the eye surgery a couple of years ago and they

575
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: asked the same thing, would you want to be conscious

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Speaker 1: and aware during it? I'm like, absolutely not. I know

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00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: it's more dangerous. There's danger with anesthesia and stuff like that,

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00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: but the idea of being not the pain but the

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Speaker 1: awareness doesn't sound like fun. I had my both of

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Speaker 1: my eyes. I had the arcade surgery and this is

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Speaker 1: where they open your eyes. They put something in your eyes.

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Speaker 1: They have these clamps that pull the skin back like

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Speaker 1: like a scary movie, and then they put drops so

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00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: they numb the surface of your eyes a clockwork art. Yes,

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00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: and then you see him, so you're awake and I

586
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 1: see this nice knife that's coming right towards my eyeball

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00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 1: and uh so they carved up my eyes and uh

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00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: I remember driving soon after hope nobody's eating, and I

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00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: have lights like the car lights coming. I could see

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00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: like cutouts like a pizza slices in my eye of

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Speaker 1: the light of the car coming towards me. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to

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00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,400
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00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,160
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Speaker 1: The Indianapolis Star, friend of the show, Bob Kravitz, Senior

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Speaker 1: staff writer for The Athletic Bob, what the Hell's going

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Speaker 1: on here? Well? You know, I got a chance to

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Speaker 1: see this documentary four games in fall, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I found it very compelling. I found it very one sided,

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00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: but I found it very compelling, and I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: over the years, I've had a chance to read more

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Speaker 1: about the Flake gave because I have no life, and

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Speaker 1: it just it raised some questions in my mind that

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Speaker 1: I did not have previously. Have I come over to

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00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: the dark side? No, but it's certainly, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you if you like to think of yourself as

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Speaker 1: a relatively open minded person, there are certainly some pretty

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Speaker 1: interesting elements to the documentary that make you think twice

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Speaker 1: about it. Okay, give me the biggest piece of information

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Speaker 1: that you glean from this documentary that made you hit

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Speaker 1: the pause and maybe have an epiphany on to flee Kate. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think, um, the the history of exponent. Now I

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00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: think that. And that's, of course, the company that did

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Speaker 1: all the research for the Wells Report and their history

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Speaker 1: of being a doubt science entity, being a science for hire.

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Speaker 1: If you look at some of the people they've they've

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Speaker 1: represented over the years, they've produced results that were the

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Speaker 1: desired results for certain companies. And I found that very

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Speaker 1: off putting. I was aware of that at some level

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Speaker 1: as it was going on, but you know, four or five,

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Speaker 1: six years later, it just it just struck me again

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Speaker 1: as being very compelling. Okay, take us back to that

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Speaker 1: night and and you get ready to hit send. So

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Speaker 1: the Colts just got roughed up by the Patriots. How

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Speaker 1: do you get the information? Well, first I went downstairs

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Speaker 1: to the locker room and I did an hour long

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Speaker 1: postgame show, and I forgot my phone because that's the

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Speaker 1: kind of thing I do. So I get back up

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Speaker 1: to the press box, look at my phone. See a

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Speaker 1: text from somebody saying call me immediately, call this person

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Speaker 1: get the information. I'm like, holy crap, what have I

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Speaker 1: fallen into? Well, what's the information? The information is that

635
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: the Patriots are being investigated for allegedly using deflated footballs. Okay,

636
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: so it was one hundred percent right. It was one

637
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: hundred percent right. So I spent the next I don't know,

638
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: forty five minutes or so looking for either confirmation or denial,

639
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: and I was able to get confirmation from someone I

640
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: felt very strongly about as a source and said, let's

641
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: let it roll, let's let it ride, and tweeted it out,

642
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: and then all hell broke loos. I have a real

643
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: problem with it. Sounds like feels like there was somebody

644
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: inside the NFL who was leaking bad information, slanted information

645
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: throughout this process. Well, I certainly think that you know

646
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: mort who I respect, you know more than just about

647
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: anybody in our business. I think the NFL used him.

648
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't believe it used by the league. I feel

649
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: like I was just given some information that was accurate.

650
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: But why would they use more? Though? Because of his status?

651
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: Because I mean, if you if you use more or

652
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: Adam or whoever it might be, I mean, you get

653
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: the most bang for your buck in that in that

654
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: fashion though, Well, but I don't understand. It felt like they, hey,

655
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: we committed to this. Now we got to go to

656
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: the mat and we got to bring Brady and the

657
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: Patriots in here. Instead of saying, hey, you know what,

658
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: they may have done this or it felt like there

659
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: was less a less heavy handed way of approaching this

660
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: from the NFL. Bob, I agree, And look, you look

661
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: at the NFL and the way they've looked into various

662
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: issues over the years, the Ray Rice fiasco. I mean,

663
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: these guys, they're incompetent in many ways, and I thought

664
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: that they handled this incompetently. I think the media to

665
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: some degree got got caught in the dragnet to some degree.

666
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: And you could also make the argument that we allowed

667
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: ourselves to get caught in that dragnet. I never cared

668
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: about the footballs, but I don't know why the NFL

669
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: cared about the footballs this. Aaron Rodgers came on the

670
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: show and said he overinflates the football, like I don't.

671
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: I think this has happened for decades here. Why all

672
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden the Patriots, Well, I think because they

673
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: do have the priors, and I think Don Vanata and

674
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 1: Seth Wickersham wrote a really good piece pre ESPN dot com.

675
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: I think it's about two years ago that in many

676
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: ways this was a makeup call for the way they

677
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: handled Spygate, and you know that was gay that they

678
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: did not go to the mat They they took it

679
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: easy on the Patriots for the most part, and so

680
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: I think it was a makeup call to some degree.

681
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: I think they're getting a lot of a lot of

682
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: grief from a lot of other owners who feel like

683
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots play fast and loose with the rules, and

684
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: I think this is how it came down. Man, that's

685
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: dangerous though it's so dango. What's really dangerous is that

686
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: the nfl PA gave Goodell unilateral power to rule on

687
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: disciplinary issues. And so whether you think the science was flawed,

688
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: whether you think the investigation was flawed, that used the

689
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: media in in myriad ways. The bottom line is Goodell,

690
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: for right or wrong, has the freedom, has the right

691
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: to make the call, make the judgment call there. What

692
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: do you think now about to Fleet Kate, I still

693
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: and this is more a feeling. It's not provable. I

694
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: think something happened. I think something happened. You know. Here's

695
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: the deal. I look at the science from Exponent or

696
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: another company or another scientist, and I think, well, that

697
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: makes sense, and then I read then I watch the

698
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: guy from MIT, doctor Leonard, and I think that makes sense.

699
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what classes you took at UD but

700
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: none when I was in it. When I was in Indiana,

701
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: I didn't take class. I mean, I took physics for poets,

702
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I I you know, I the

703
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: gay Louzac law. What the hell do I know about that? So?

704
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: You know, when I read one Ivy League guys say

705
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: they're guilty, I think that's probably the case. When I

706
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: read another Ivy League guy who says that they are,

707
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's sort of beyond my comprehend,

708
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Yeah, I just they've been doing

709
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: this for years. This wasn't something new to beat. The

710
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: colts and other quarterbacks have told me privately that they've

711
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: done this, that they should be able to do this,

712
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: that this is one of those Well that's the rule,

713
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna we got you, and then oh

714
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: you're lying to me, and then there's the deflator and all.

715
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it just felt like it careened out of control.

716
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: It didn't need to. And the fact that you would

717
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: do try to do a makeup for spygate man, is

718
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: that dangerous? Yeah? It is? It absolutely is. Yeah. I

719
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: mean look when I when I when I broke the story.

720
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: I thought this will be a two week story. They'll go, Boy,

721
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: was I wrong? You never sent that? Do you wish

722
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: you'd never know? I'm absolutely glad that I did, because

723
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: it was right Dan, whether they were guilty of it

724
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: or not. What I wrote was that they are being investigated.

725
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: That was correct. Now where I screwed up, and I

726
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: made this point in my in my column the other

727
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: day in The Athletic, was that I saw what More

728
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: had written about eleven of twelve balls being two pounds

729
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: per square inch underweight and with it. And I'm not

730
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: taking shots at More because I again, he's a friend

731
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: and I think he's great at what he does. But

732
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: he got used in that situation. And the mistake I

733
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: made was using that as he jumping off point to

734
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: viscerally react through tweets saying, you know, Belichick should have

735
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: his head on a platter. That was a mistake by me.

736
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: I got too far over my skis. But but this now,

737
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: the real story is, and is somebody going to do

738
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: the real story on who is the person inside the

739
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: NFL who was leaking this false information, because that's what

740
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: I want to know. That's at the crux of a

741
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: lot of this. It feels like, Bob, I don't you

742
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: know the woman you spoke to who is part of

743
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: the documentary, Yeah, Julie Marrin. She says the NFL deliberately

744
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: lied about things withheld information and spent months digging into

745
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: the construct to construct a narrative. To me, the fact

746
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: that they could do this is arguably the most successful

747
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: player in the league was pretty chilly. Yeah, that's the story.

748
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Like they're doing this, they're eating their own They're going

749
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: after Brady. I don't disagree with you. I'm not sure

750
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: you know that that's that's something they're ever gonna be,

751
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, certainly, I'm not going to talk

752
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: about the people that I spoke with. Certainly more it's

753
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: not I think mord has done a bit of a

754
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: mayaculpa on it. I'm not completely sure, but I think

755
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: he has acknowledged that the information was not was not correct. So, yeah,

756
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: did you ever stay to Brady? I never have. I

757
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: never have. I'd love to. I loved it. Everything good.

758
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I got nothing to I've got nothing to

759
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: be ashamed of. I mean, they were they were investigating.

760
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: I wrote that they were investigating. End of story. Oh,

761
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: this is one of those. It's attached to the Patriots,

762
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: so it's gonna live on forever. If it was it

763
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: was the Bengals, nobody would care. But it it's the Patriots,

764
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: it's Tom Brady, and it'll live on. It'll be part

765
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: of the legacy of every one of those those uh

766
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: key ingredients there. It will be on my epitaph. Sadly,

767
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: I was wondering how many lines in to your epitat

768
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: do they mention to flake Gate with Bob Kravitz line. Yeah,

769
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: I gotta be, And I'm not happy about that necessarily.

770
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: I like to think that, you know, I've done thirty

771
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: seven years of pretty solid work at some really good publications,

772
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: So I would not like that to be the first

773
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: line the epitat, but I'll take the second or third. Yeah,

774
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: but Keith Oberman's going to be in the first line

775
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: of my epitat. How do you think I feel about that?

776
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: That's depressing. No, that's we're forever intertwined as you are

777
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: with the flake about Bob. Good to talk to you,

778
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: as always good to talk to you, Dan, thankye. That's

779
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: Bob Kravitz works for the Athletic Indianapolis Star. Columnists for

780
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: a long time. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick

781
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday

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00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,120
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00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,759
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784
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com,

785
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,560
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00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,640
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00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: the Peacock Act. We welcome in Ross Tucker, the former

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00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: NFL offensive lineman, host of Ross Tucker Football podcast, and

789
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: he'll be working for Westwood One. He'll be working the

790
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: sidelines for the AFC title game. Kick Off will be

791
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: six forty Eastern on Sunday. Ross, do we know if

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00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: this is a concussion with Patrick Mahomes? It evidently Dan

793
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: is not a concussion. Having watched a couple times, I

794
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: think that he had momentary trauma to the karated sinus

795
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: area where the vegas nerve and borrow receptors are located,

796
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: and I think what happened was really a vasovagel reaction.

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00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: Are you reading something I read that? I read that

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00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: this morning from Doctor David Show the twenty years he

799
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: was the Chargers team doctor. He doesn't think Mahomes actually

800
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: had a concussion. He thinks basically, ever see it's like

801
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: a martial artist or a cop or whatever it hit

802
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: someone like here. He thinks that when mac Wilson came

803
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: up with his right arm and hit him, and he

804
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: said in twenty years he never saw it in football.

805
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 1: But based on the different reports that are leaking out

806
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: and the video, that's what he believes happened. And he

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00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: doesn't think Mahomes will have any problem getting clear because

808
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't think he really had a concussion. But also

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00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: he has to go through the concussion protocol. How long

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00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: does it take you to go through the protocol? I

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00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: mean you can say, look, I don't have a concussion,

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00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: but if you're in the concussion protocol, you have to

813
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: go through the required steps, don't you. Yeah, and one

814
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: of them is a full practice. So I don't think

815
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: we will hear that he is cleared until Friday afternoon,

816
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: maybe Saturday morning, because they'll probably take it easy with

817
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: him today. Maybe he does a full practice Thursday. Then

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00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: he meets with the independent neurologists. And I know, Dan,

819
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of conspiracy theories out there. I understand that,

820
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: but they do, really, they really do have independent neurologists,

821
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: they're not affiliated with the team, and those people have

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00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: to clear them, and they do that for a reason.

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00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: They want to make sure there's somebody who's not affiliated

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00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: with the team, because there'd be a heck of a

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00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on that team doctor. If that's who

826
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: was in charge. It's really out of everybody's hands other

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00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: than that independent neurologist at this point. Can you hide

828
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: a concussion nowadays? Yeah, I think he can. You know,

829
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: you can't hide what happened to mahomes where he you know,

830
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: he obviously stumbled to his feet. And I actually think Dan,

831
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: even if whatever doctor Chao said, even if he's cleared,

832
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: I gotta think, like, I can just picture my mom,

833
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: right Dan, saying that boy should not be able to

834
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: play football. I saw him wobbly on his feet last Sunday.

835
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: He should not be able to play like. I can

836
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: just picture a bunch of people, my mom included, believing

837
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: after what they saw last Sunday that that young man

838
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: should not be able to play tackle football a week later.

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00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it as long as

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00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: the independent neurologist clears them. But to your point, yeah,

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00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I had at least three concussions as

842
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: a player. Dan never diagnosed, never said anything about it

843
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: really back then, unless you were knocked out. And this

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Speaker 1: is only two thousand and one or two thousand and eight,

845
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: but unless you were knocked out or you said something,

846
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: there really was no way for them to know. I

847
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: remember one time sitting on the bench and one of

848
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: the practice squad offensive line was like, Tuck, are you okay?

849
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: And I was kind of in a fog there for

850
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: good three or four minutes. Drew bledsoet thrown interception like

851
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: a total idiot. I tried to make the tackle and

852
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: Roosevelt Covin blind inside of me. The first thing I

853
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: hit the ground was the back of my head, and

854
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: I was kind of in a daze for a good

855
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: three or four minutes. But other than the one practice

856
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: squad o lineman who saw me got saw me get killed,

857
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: he was the only person even talked to me about it.

858
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: What if Mahomes can't play, what are their chances against Buffalo? Well,

859
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: the only thing I would say is two factors in

860
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: that number One. Henny played really well. I mean, Henny

861
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: did a lot of really positive things. He had one

862
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: terrible interception. I have no idea what was going on there,

863
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: but he played pretty well. The other thing is, sometimes

864
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: when there's a backup quarterback like that, I feel like

865
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: Number one the other guys rally around him and play better,

866
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: and number two. Whether it's conscious or subconscious, it just

867
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: seems like sometimes the other side, I don't know. I

868
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: don't know if they don't say they let up, but

869
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, it's not mahomes. It just it changes

870
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: things a little bit. I will say this though, Dan,

871
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: Chad Henny's from small hometown why I'm missing Pennsylvania. He

872
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: went to Wilston High School. I've known him for a while.

873
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: He used to work out with his dad, and you

874
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: know the way. I'm sure this happens to you all

875
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: the time, Dan, where people tell you their kids are,

876
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: let me tell you about my son. He's gonna be

877
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: a good athlete. I remember working out with Chad Henny's

878
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: dad when I was in college. He's like, yeah, I

879
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: think my son's gonna be pretty I'm like, yeah, I'm

880
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: sure he's gonna be great. Turns out, he started four

881
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: years for one of the top ten schools in Pennsylvania

882
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: and then four years at Michigan. Now he's in his

883
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: thirteenth year in the NFL, so small world. We're talking

884
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: to Ross Tucker the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. He'll be

885
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: on the sidelines the FC title game with Westwood One.

886
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: How important is this game to Tom Brady, to his legacy?

887
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: You mean, well, I brought this up that his age

888
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: a year removed from the Patriots. You just beat Breeze.

889
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: If you would happen to beat Aaron Rodgers at Lambeau

890
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: when Rogers is playing at an all time level, he's

891
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: your MVP. I'm not even getting to the super Bowl yet.

892
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I'm overstating how big of

893
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: a game this is for Brady to do what he's doing.

894
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: If you factor in the other elements here of no

895
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: longer with the Patriots, first year with Tampa Bay, age

896
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: forty three on the road, and you're gonna beat Aaron

897
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: Rodgers at lambo My overstating it? No, I don't think

898
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: you are. I mean, look, the only arguments people have

899
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: left against Brady right is that it was it was

900
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: all Belichick and coaching and that he's a system quarterback

901
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, which both are laughable, but whatever. If

902
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: he beats Aaron Rodgers, the MVP at Lambo, to go

903
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: to a tent super Bowl with a new team, even

904
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: those morons will have to shut up at this point, right,

905
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: I mean, even those people won't be able to say it.

906
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: But to be honestly, then I feel like he's kind

907
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: of already done it. I mean, the Patriots had a

908
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: five game deficit from twenty nineteen this year, the Bucks

909
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: had a four game improvement. And I know the rosters

910
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: aren't totally the same, but let's be honest, he's the

911
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: major reason for that. And now to win two more

912
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: playoff games to get to a fourteenth conference championship game.

913
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, think about this, He's been to fourteen conference

914
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: championship games in the nineteen years he's been a starting quarterback.

915
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: That's seventy four percent. It's absolutely insane. And frankly, Dan,

916
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: for all the people with the system quarterback argument or

917
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: the Belichick argument, well I don't I guess Brady brought

918
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: the system to Tampa and New England stopped with the system.

919
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Or for the Belichick thing, do you

920
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: realize Belichick has one playoff win in the eight years

921
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady was not his starting quarterback. I mean

922
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: that's a decent sample size now for Belichick without him.

923
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: By the way, Philip Rivers announced his retirement earlier this morning,

924
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: we were debated. I guess the debate is first ballot

925
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer? What do you think? I don't think

926
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: he will be. No, I don't think he will be

927
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: because Number one, I think Drew Brees would be ahead

928
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: of him if Drew Brees retires as expected. So as

929
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: far as a first ballot guy, Dan Roethlisberger if he

930
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: happened to retire, correct, and not only that, I don't

931
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: think Eli Manning necessarily will be a first ballot Hall

932
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: of Famer. He might, he might not, So it might

933
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: be what would that be year two or year Yeah,

934
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: I guess year two for Eli man And there's not

935
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: a good argument for Rivers over Eli Manning. There's just not.

936
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: So I don't think Rivers get I think he eventually

937
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: gets in, sort of like Dan Fouts did. But I

938
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: don't think Rivers is a first ballot Hall of Famer. No,

939
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he will be. But if I said,

940
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: you could have Ben Rivers or Eli as your quarterback

941
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: for a decade, ben One for sure. Those next two

942
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: guys are tough. Those next two guys are really really tough.

943
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: I think I'd probably I feel like we're a little

944
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: bit skewed based on how the last five years went

945
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: for Rivers and Eli. If we're talking about their first

946
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: ten years or ten years in the prime of our

947
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: career prime, I'd probably go Eli, because you know, I

948
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: think people forget Rivers, like his first two years. Dan

949
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: they were loaded. I mean they were loaded. They were

950
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: I mean Antonio Gates and the Danian towns and the

951
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: Old Lion was awesome, Sean Merriman, and I mean they

952
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: were loaded. And for whatever reason, he wasn't able to

953
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: get it done, to get to a Super Bowl. And

954
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: when it Eli did it twice. Hard to take that

955
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: away from him. I think we got some really interesting

956
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: offseason situations. Obviously with DeShawn Watson there, but the Saints

957
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacking situation, the Colts quarterbacking situation, what's going on with

958
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: the Eagles, what's going on with the Bears, Dak Prescott

959
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: coming back with the Cowboys, Jimmy Garoppolo's future in San Francisco.

960
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of moving what the Patriots

961
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: are going to do. The number one quarterbacking situation that

962
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: you would love to have an answer to right now

963
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: is what aside from Deshaun Watson. Yeah, I was gonna

964
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: say Watson because I feel like he's the domino that

965
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: everything else, you know, comes off of. You know, I'd

966
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: love to know about New England, but just knowing them

967
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: Dan and what they look at in terms of value,

968
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: I think that they'll kind of wait it out. I

969
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: think that they'll kind of see what happens with these

970
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: other things with Jamis Winston and other places before they pounced.

971
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: I guess I'll say Indie, and I'll say Indie because

972
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: I feel like Philadelphia is directly related to it. Because

973
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there that seem to

974
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: think the Colts want to get Carson Wentz to reunite

975
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: him with Frank Reich. And I saw reports this morning

976
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: that that's what Carson Wentz supposedly once again, that's just

977
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: a report, but that's what Wentz supposedly want. So I

978
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: think probably the Colts because they're a playoff team, they're

979
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: very good, and they might go and potentially get the

980
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: quarterback from the Eagles, which then I guess means Hurts

981
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: would be the guy in Philadelphia. Have fun this weekend,

982
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: safe travels. Always great to talk to you. Thank you, buddy. Yeah,

983
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: my pleasure. I'm sideline duty, Dan, but I'm not actually

984
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: allowed on the sideline, so I think i might be

985
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: getting paid to sit in the third row and have

986
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: a beer and a hot dog. Hopefully we'll find out.

987
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, Ron Lawns Tucker. Thanks for listening to The

988
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live

989
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,960
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990
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,799
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991
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,000
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992
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,160
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