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Speaker 1: Movie Crush, my new show debuting November three, where I

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Speaker 1: sit down with famous people to talk about their all

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Speaker 1: time favorite movie. So if you are a secret celebrity listener,

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Speaker 1: get in touch with me at movie Crush at how

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Speaker 1: stuff Works dot com, especially if you happen to be

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Speaker 1: filming in Atlanta, where our studios are, because in person

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Speaker 1: with partner studios. All right, Thanks a lot, and look

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Speaker 1: out for Movie Crush November three. Hey, friends, this is Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Just wanted to intro this show really quickly because it

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Speaker 1: is from the archive. It's a live show that we

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Speaker 1: did on our tour last year, all about the mysterious

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Speaker 1: disappearance of sky jacker d B. Cooper. And this was

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Speaker 1: recorded live in Seattle, Washington at the Neptune Theater and

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Speaker 1: it was one of the best shows on the tour

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Speaker 1: and we hope you enjoy it. And keep in mind

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Speaker 1: this is recorded before we found out more recent news

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Speaker 1: should know from How Stuff Works dot com hey, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, and we are here live at the Beautiful

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Speaker 1: Neptune Theater and beautiful Seattle and beautiful Washington. Thank you guys, phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: I'm already a sweaty mess, so that must mean we're

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Speaker 1: live here at the beautiful Neptune Theater in Seattle, Washington.

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Speaker 1: M hmm, man, times two's better. It's an in joke.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Dud's if you listen to the PR Live podcast,

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Speaker 1: would be amazing. We'd have to come up with a

422
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: different show tomorrow or just bring him along and here

423
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: he is everybody. So Donald ny rop Um, the president

424
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: of Northwest Orient, He's like, yeah, sure, we'll totally pay that.

425
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: We have a huge um insurance policy on this kind

426
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: of thing. Um Apparently Northwest had to pay like twenty

427
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: grand and their insurance company hit out a hundred eight

428
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: Graham and they tapped c First Bank, which had a

429
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: downtown branch, And in this downtown branch they had a

430
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: really great idea. They had stacks of twenty dollar bills

431
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: in varying amounts so that it looked like a nervous

432
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: teller ran into the back and like put some twenties

433
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: together in the event of a bank robbery, right, and

434
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: then would come out and be like, here you go,

435
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: a bank robber. You're getting off scott free. But it

436
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: turns out that every serial number on every one of

437
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: those twenties have been recorded. So it worked for bank robberies,

438
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: worked just as well for sky jackings as well, so

439
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: they had the money. No problems. The parachutes were just

440
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: very difficulty. That was actually the harder part. Uh. Back

441
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: in the big recreational sky diving craze had not yet

442
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: taken hold. That happened here and there. But the manager

443
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: at s tax said, I got a guy, don't you worry. Um,

444
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: he's got an operation called Seattle Sky Sports and its aqua.

445
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: Anybody from missuah shout out, why do you call it

446
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: Seattle sky Sports? That did they mooch off of Seattle? Yeah,

447
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: off of the teet of Seattle. He's like, I got

448
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: a guy. His name is Earl Cossi, and uh he

449
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: agreed to help. Um. Little side note, Earl Cossi uh

450
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: was actually murdered three years ago. Yeah, apparently has room down.

451
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: We're all having too much fun. Uh. He got killed

452
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: by a blow to the head in his garage. But

453
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: apparently you know some cooperists that are still active today

454
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: on the internet. You know these conspiracy dudes that his

455
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: everyone did it. I love that. Everybody. See, you can

456
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: all be conspiracy there, get out your hat, um, although

457
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: women can't be because they're too smart. It's always guys.

458
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: Did you know so? Earl coss He was killed, but

459
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: they think it has nothing to do with it, even

460
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: though coopers are like, are you sure they're trying to

461
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: silence a man exactly? So Toss was pretty great, very

462
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: well timed. So Cassie called his his operation into the

463
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: to the dude working there and said, hey, can you

464
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: get together these parachutes and need two fronts and two backs?

465
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: The guy said, sure, bro, and h in his haste,

466
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: he packs three regular shoots, well, not three regular he

467
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: packs one military shoot, two regular shoots, and one thing

468
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: that I still don't understand called a dummy shoot that

469
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: doesn't open. So, like, if you were working at Seattle

470
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: Sky Sports and um, you get really really sick of

471
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: having to fold up the whole parachute every time somebody

472
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: was training the throwing out the pilot shoot, which is

473
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: just the little shoot that comes out first and pulls

474
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: the bigger shoot out. Right, if all you're trying to

475
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: do is throw that part out, you don't need the

476
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: bigger shoot. So if you're an employee at Seattle Sky

477
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: Sports in ISQua, you may have the idea they should

478
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: just so the bigger part shut. There should be no

479
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: parachute that has like the most important part sown shut. Right,

480
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: I think we can. But this is the thing, and

481
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: they're called dummy shoots. The thing is everybody's like, oh,

482
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: we gotta covered. Let's just put a big X on

483
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: it and everybody will know it's a dummy shoot. So

484
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: that one of these dummy shoots made it into the

485
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: four shoots that were delivered to D. B. Cooper. So

486
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: the money and the shoots go in a cop car

487
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: and the does a donuts getting out like in front

488
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: of the plane and gets out and stands outside and

489
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: um waits for the plane to land, I should say.

490
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: So when they get everything together, they let flight three

491
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: oh five no that they've come and get it basically,

492
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: and um they prepare to land and dB Cooper does

493
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: something very smart. Yeah he uh, he said, you know what,

494
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: I bet you there's gonna be snipers on the ground

495
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: because I've seen a movie or two. I've seen Black

496
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: Sunday anyone. No, didn't they come out like five or

497
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: six years later? Maybe Actually I have to look that up,

498
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: and I think there was seventy. You know this all right?

499
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: He said, I have a dream about a movie one

500
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: day that would be called Black Sunday, and there's gonna

501
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: be snipers at that airport. So, um, have everybody put

502
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: the shades down on the windows. They're all drunk, they

503
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: don't care, they won't ask any questions. And so they

504
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: did so, which turned out to be a pretty good

505
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: move because there were in fact snipers exactly. So the

506
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: plane lands and um, no one's allowed to get off yet. Uh.

507
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: Cooper says, hey, Tina, give me a solid go out

508
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: and get the money and the shoots and come back

509
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: with them. Okay, then we can let the passengers off,

510
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: and Mucloud leaves the plane. And at this point, and

511
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: this is one of the first reasons why Tina Mukloud

512
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: was one of our heroes. Um, once she's off the plane,

513
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: she could have been like so long jumps seeing hell, um,

514
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: which may have been a little harsh. Had she said

515
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: that with an earshot of somebody in this hostage situation,

516
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: she could have thought it. Her actions could have said

517
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: as much. She didn't. She got the shoots, she got

518
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: the money, and she essentially traded herself for the hostages

519
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: and went back on the plane. That's metal. Chuck would

520
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: have said out loud, see you in hell flight three

521
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: oh five. I would have walked straight to baggage claim

522
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: and or the ground transportation and said take me to

523
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: cousin I because I need some loose leaf tea. Good

524
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: good luck with the skuy jacking. Yeah, but she came back,

525
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: come back, So she traded herself for these hostages and UM.

526
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: The hostages were allowed to leave, and so too were

527
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: Alice Hancock and Florence Shaffner. Um. They the rest of

528
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: the crew is basically like, there's no reason for you

529
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: to stay here, so go. So it was down to Um,

530
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: Shaffner and Cooper, and then in the UM cockpit Red

531
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: AzaC and h Scott, right and Scott and Dzac repaid

532
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: Tina muckloud by staying themselves there. There was a rope

533
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: ladder actually that they could have climbed out of. They

534
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: had almost no interaction whatsoever with dB Cooper. They could

535
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: have at their leisure, they could have put on bathing

536
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: suits and climbed out this rope ladder and laid on

537
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: the tarmac for a while and then gone to the

538
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: safety of like the FBI barricade. And they didn't. They

539
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: stuck around and they like, we're like, we're gonna see

540
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: this hijacking through. Yeah, in my uh like in my

541
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: comedic mind's eye, I see them getting out on the

542
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: rope swing. Rope ladder. That's different. Rope swing. That would

543
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: be amazing. They may have like like a tire swing

544
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: on brother, they get up on the rope ladder. Tina

545
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: muck Law never comes back in DV. Cooper's just sitting

546
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: on the plane by himself. He's like, Oh, it happened again?

547
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: Is he typing? Oh No, that's sorry. I didn't know

548
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: they had a rope ladder. That's crazy. Sure, every airplane

549
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: has a rope ladder in the car. Wake up, old cheats.

550
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: So the f a A actually had a their chief

551
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: psychiatrist on the ground and this dude does a quick analysis,

552
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, like let me do one of those movie

553
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: readings of who this guy is and what's gonna happen.

554
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: And he says, you know what's gonna happen is you're

555
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: gonna give this guy the money in the parachutes. You're

556
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: gonna go up there in the plane. He's gonna jump

557
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: out and blow up the plane. Uh, and just let

558
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: everyone know that, right, he's gonna force pilot and co

559
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: pilot that this is what's coming. Right, He's gonna force

560
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: Muckloud to jump with him and then blow up the

561
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: plane afterward. Right, but yeah, make sure that, make sure

562
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: the cockpit knows. And then he added, and he probably

563
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: has some sort of fixation on longer than usual nipples,

564
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: So make sure he's not exposed to those, because he

565
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: has some sort of fetish based on his experience with

566
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: his mother. Because the ones psychoanalysts for the f A, Hey,

567
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: if I had done that in a German accident, it

568
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: would have sunk in even faster. Yeah, did you tell

569
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: them that? Make sure you tell him that. Guys said,

570
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna go ahead and say now what

571
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say in like an hour backstage? That was amazing,

572
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: Thank you. I thought that's not where you're gonna say. Actually,

573
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: I didn't didn't see that one coming. You got me

574
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: m when you Yeah, I had no idea where you

575
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: were going. Literally you said longer than usual nipples, and

576
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: I went in my head, I went, am, I is

577
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: this happening like Josh Josh am I stole in Atlanta

578
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: that it is the trip in my sleep? Yeah, pure gold, buddy,

579
00:36:34,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: thank you? To where are we? I am so throwing own?

580
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: So we said Cooper was cool, right head he was.

581
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: He was so cool he ordered food for the crew

582
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: during the refueling process. Yeah, it's a nice, nice guy.

583
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: You want to know who else is cool is Tina Mucklaw.

584
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: Because once they released the passengers and they got the

585
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: money on board, she sat back down and he offered

586
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: her a couple of the stacks of money and she said, well,

587
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: you go ahead and say it, no tipping aloud, smooth again.

588
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: Had it been me, well, first of all, I would

589
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: have been an uncle likes by then. But if I

590
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: was dumb enough to get back on I would be like, yeah,

591
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: get pay it for just two stacks of bills. Yeah,

592
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: what gives jerk? I want half? She's she's amazing. So

593
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: the planes being refueled, he passed along a request, very

594
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: specific request for what's to happen when they go to

595
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: take off. He said, I want to take off with

596
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: that f staircase that I know is back there down

597
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: in the jump off the plane position. And they said

598
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: you can't take off with the plane. Uh, you can't

599
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: take off with the door down. And he said, well

600
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: can you check on that? Are you sure? And they said, no,

601
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: you can't do that, and he said, are you super

602
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: sure and they said, no, you can't do that. He said,

603
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: all right, and they said, oh, but once you're up there,

604
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: you can totally lower it and jump out. And he said, well,

605
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: why didn't we just start there? Because that's really the

606
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: only thing that mattered. He's like, fine, fine, And then

607
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: the pilot's like, well, where do you want to go?

608
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: And Dan Cooper says, Mexico City, let's say. And the

609
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: pilot goes, well, that's that's kind of far. We're gonna

610
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: have to refuel is Reno, okay, And Dan Cooper goes,

611
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how I can get this across anymore. Clearly,

612
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm jumping out of the plane the next time we

613
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: go up find wherever you want? Just fine southward. Yeah,

614
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: So they refuel the plane. And the only time Dan

615
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: Cooper gets a little a little ruffled is when it

616
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: takes a little long for his liking, and he says,

617
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: it shouldn't take this long. Let's get the show on

618
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: the road, right. He picked up for one of the

619
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 1: few times he picked up the cockpit or the cabin

620
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: and cockpit phone and said, let's get the show on

621
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: the road. I would have screamed it and like ship

622
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: the phone and then hit myself in the head with

623
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: it and then just started crying and been like it's

624
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: never gonna work. This is never gonna work. I think

625
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: as well established we'd be the worst guy and hostages. Yeah,

626
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: just getting no, I don't want any part of it.

627
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: He also gives some instructions on how to fly the plane,

628
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: which is getting really specific. He said, don't go any

629
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: higher than ten thou fet uh. Set your wing flaps

630
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: at fifteen degrees, which apparently we learned as an angle

631
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: that only the seven to seven one could position those

632
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: wing flaps, which everyone in this room knows because it's

633
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 1: a bowing And he said, don't go any faster than

634
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: a hundred ninety miles per hour two knots uh. So

635
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: that means they're gonna be flying slow and low, like

636
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: you're cooking ribs or jumping off a plane, because that

637
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: means the cabin is at pressurized and that means when

638
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: you open that door, you're not just gonna suck everything out.

639
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: It's still skydivable mm hmm. Yeah, oh that's the terminology. Okay,

640
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: So Cooper had some problems right. He had specifically asked

641
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: for a knapsack, and the FEDS had given him the

642
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: two in a bank bag, which, as we all know,

643
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: is a very unwieldy, clumsy bag. Right, it's like a

644
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: canvas bag. There's nothing to it. What do you like

645
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: tuck it under your arm? What are you supposed to

646
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: do with that? Right? So he's like, well, I need

647
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: to make a handle for this thing. All harvest one

648
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: of these parachutes for its rigging, and he chose the

649
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 1: pink one, which the pink one was actually the best

650
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: one of all of them, yeah, because it was the

651
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: dummy shoot, the military shoot, and then is that we're

652
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: gonna call it the medium shoot. And then the pink one,

653
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: which was like Josh, is the best one. So he

654
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: cuts the stuff loose, he makes a handle for it.

655
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Things are happening. At this point. They moved to the

656
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: rear of the plane hen Tina muck Law, and he says,

657
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think I need help lowering the staircase.

658
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: So she goes back there with him. She's a little

659
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: freaked out at this point. She was common cool, but

660
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: like it's go time, and she thinks she's gonna get

661
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: sucked out rightfully, So because she didn't understand the physics

662
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: of you know, the plane being that low and that slow.

663
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: She did another physics. I am still freaked out a staircase.

664
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: Why don't I mention physics exactly? So she gets back

665
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: there and he said, she said, can I at least

666
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: have some of that rope so I can tie myself

667
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: to the interior of this plane? Like that's how helpful

668
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: she was. She's like, just let me lash myself to

669
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: the plane. Let me help myself, right, I just spit

670
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: like all the way across it. I spit earlier. It's okay, good.

671
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: You should learn to say throws up like in Vegas.

672
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: That's what I was just talking. Yeah, man, weird instinct.

673
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Except well, never mind. So she asked

674
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: for some rope to lash herself in, and he goes,

675
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: at this point, you know what, never mind, He literally

676
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: like this is the quote. He goes, never mind, never mind.

677
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: He said, you know what, you just go back up

678
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: to the cockpit and you see that first class curtain.

679
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: Just don't come any further back. I got it from there.

680
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: He turns back around and looks, and then he turns

681
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: back around to where she was, and he just sees

682
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: like a pile of dust to where she was just standing.

683
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: She was like in the cockpit all of a sudden,

684
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: and so it's go time in the cockpit. Two pm.

685
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: The little light comes on that says a door ajar,

686
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: I guess and uh. They said that. The pilots are

687
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: like Tina, like mus A call back one more time.

688
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: He's like, no, you can't call him, and they're like, no, really,

689
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: we should call. We can totally call him, like the

690
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: f A shrink said like he might blow us up.

691
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: He said some other weird stuff too, but he said,

692
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: like he's gonna blow us up. We should really butter

693
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: this guy up. And we could have left on that

694
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: rope swing and we stayed because of you rope ladder. Ye,

695
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: So they call, they do call, and the pilots like

696
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: ring ring ring, Ring Ring Ring, Yes, ring ring, you

697
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: let her ring a couple of times, ring ring ring U.

698
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: Dan Cooper, hijacker, Mr Cooper, we want to make sure

699
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: your play is as comfortable as possible. There anything we

700
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: can do to help you back there to make your

701
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: hijacking more successful, sir, no, click, I know it's kind

702
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: of rude, he said, no, hung up, And then at

703
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: twelve pm the crew felt the plane kind of jiggle

704
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: a little bit, as if someone had jumped off the

705
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: rear of it, and they said, Tina, go check, we're

706
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: flying the plane. She's like, wait a minute. Only one

707
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: of you was flying, you know. It takes both of us,

708
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: you don't know. And that's it. So from the moment

709
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: that Tina muck Law left shut that first class curtain, nobody,

710
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: to anyone's knowledge, ever saw Dan Cooper again. But that's

711
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: not the end of the show. No, it's not. So

712
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: there was a man hunt, right, so Dan Cooper had

713
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: pretty clearly signaled his intentions that he was going to

714
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: jump off the back of the seven. The FBI was like,

715
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: we need to scramble some jets. Let's get some fighter

716
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: jets that are in the area. We're gonna scramble them

717
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: to go follow the seven. What is the scrambling? I

718
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: never get that. It's like like go I know, but

719
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 1: that it just sounds it sounds chaotic like they're scrambling.

720
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's the point. Like people

721
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: are suposed to run around and bump into each other

722
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: and fall out and then get up and get in

723
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: their jets and fly off scrambling. That's classics renamed. It

724
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: would be like, activate the jets. That's not bad, that's

725
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: not bad at all. Scramble the jets. It sounds desperate.

726
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: You're right, the jets. So either However, the jets were

727
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: brought into this picture. Um, there was a problem with them,

728
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: and that they were way too fast for the seven,

729
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: which is putzing along and a d Then all of

730
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: a sudden there's a jet that yeah, and then the

731
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: next one comes and they're like, what are we gonna do, Well,

732
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: we'll stick a helicopter on them. This is like Goldilocks.

733
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: The helicopter was too slow. Seven twenty seven just puts

734
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: in along. People are going and trying to catch up,

735
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: nothing happening. They should have scrambled the seventh when he's

736
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: oven and just followed right behind. It makes sense. Alights

737
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: on Ryant, so they're scrambling. The point is nobody saw

738
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: Dan Cooper jump when he jumped, So they used the

739
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: eight twelve pm oscillation to kind of figure out where

740
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: they should start looking, and they zeroed in on a

741
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: place called Ariel, Washington near the Lewis River. Anybody from

742
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Ariel good because we got jokes. Nobody from Ariel. Anyone

743
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: ever heard of the Lewis River. Okay, so they get them,

744
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: they get this man hunt going. They're combing, they're they're

745
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: scrambling and combing. Those are the two things you do. Yeah,

746
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: it was here in the FBI. It was a massive

747
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: man hunt too. There's like a thousand troops and cops

748
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: combing this area. Yeah, no one from Seattle p D.

749
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: Of course, they were just sitting around Stone, hanging out

750
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: in Nissequa, waiting for Rambo. Here's another fun fact. There

751
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: was a millionaire, a local millionaire who we don't know.

752
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: Do you know the name? No, I've looked. If anybody knows,

753
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: just stand up and say it with dignity. It was

754
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: on It was on the news. So this local millionaire says,

755
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: you know what, that's near Lake Merwin, and I'm going

756
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: to rent a submarine because I'm a millionaire and that's

757
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: you know where. Yeah, I don't work, I'm a millionaire.

758
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: He got a submarine and he trolled the depths of

759
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: Lake Merwin. He said he rented a small submarine because

760
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: he's not an extravagant local million now seems ostentatious. The

761
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: hydraulics on it who needs that in a submarine? Does

762
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: it have a metal detector, which would not have helped

763
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: because it was cash bills. So you'd make a great

764
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: local millionaire. I would if only. Uh. The other weird

765
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: thing that happened was the UM the c I A

766
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: got involved, which is a little bit strange, and they

767
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: scrambled the SR seventy one Blackbird, right, They scrambled it

768
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: several times. Yeah, that it was almost over easy. Terrible.

769
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't even make sense because once you scramble it, it

770
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: it can't be over easy. Terrible joke, Chuck, that's what

771
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: I says. Rebound, rebound, Is this really happening? Did you

772
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: talk about long nipples? All? Right? The SR seventy one

773
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: Blackbird was at the time super secret. We all know

774
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: about it now, but at the time it was very secret,

775
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: and it was kind of a big deal to get

776
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: this thing up in the air. So especially multiple times,

777
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: like one time, it's like, your dad is the head

778
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: of c I A and you're the head of Seattle

779
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: p D, so you can make it happen maybe once, right,

780
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: multiple times. That's weird that the SR seventy one was scrambled. Right.

781
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: The FBI is very studious and likes to do a

782
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: lot of obvious stuff. So they interviewed everybody in the

783
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: area with the last name of Cooper, which there's like

784
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: a square one. This is like square negative five. Yeah, yeah,

785
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: sure you no, it's negative five. I looked it out,

786
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: so you look up all the Coopers in the area.

787
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: And at this point they have a press conference. And

788
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: if you've noticed, we've been calling this dude Dan Cooper

789
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: the whole time, because up until this time he was

790
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: just Dan Cooper. So they have a press conference and

791
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: there's sort of I don't think we know who messed

792
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: it up, right, okay, either a file clerk or a

793
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: cop talking in front of a reporter, either you, P

794
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: I or AP, depending on who you ask, And they

795
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: were saying like, what Cooper could could have done something

796
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: like this, And somebody said, well, there's a Dane Cooper

797
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: who's a cat burglar in the area. That's that's a

798
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: terrible suggestion. Cat burglar does not go to hijacker, you know,

799
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: And um, this reporter was like, what a scoop and

800
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,959
Speaker 1: hit the wire with cops looking for dB Cooper. Yeah,

801
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: he said, d B Cooper. Did I say Dan Cooper?

802
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: A little part of my brain was like, you just said, Dan,

803
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: let's start over. So a cop was talking in front

804
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: of an AP reporter and they said, what Cooper do

805
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: you know could have done this? And the cops said, well,

806
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: there's this d D B Cooper. What did you just say.

807
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: Did you say a D. Cooper? I said, there's a

808
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: dB Cooper I got at that time. He's a cat burglar.

809
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: And the reporter said, this is hitting the wire, and

810
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: he reported that the cops were looking for a dB

811
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: and it just changed from that point on. Yeah, I mean,

812
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: he was never DV. Cooper. It was literally a mistake.

813
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: So that's why we all know him as DV. Cooper today.

814
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: And the FBI actually a little smart, believe it or not,

815
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: and they said, you know what, let's keep it that way.

816
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: That way we'll know if any tips come in on

817
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: a Dan Cooper will know it's a hot lead. So

818
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: it actually ended up kind of working in their favor,

819
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: and anytime a tip like that came in, like the

820
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: office prankster would come in with the facts of me,

821
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: like hot lead, hot lead. It was like a joker

822
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: around the Portland office. Everybody loves Richard h and this

823
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: will This will come up later too, when it comes

824
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: time to solve the crime that they Later on, the

825
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: FBI learned that there was a comic book in the

826
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties about a Dan Cooper who was a Canadian

827
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: jet pilot. And it was a Belgian comment which is

828
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: a little weird, but it was you know, that was

829
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: literally a Dan Cooper who jumped out of planes and

830
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: comic book form exactly could be a clue. And that's

831
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: a niche comic, right, So it would printed in Belgium

832
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: in the French about a Canadian fighter pilot. All they

833
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: had to do was find like the ten people who

834
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: knew of that comic, be like, what'd you do? We

835
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: know it was one of you. And so the FBI

836
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: had a pretty clear belief, very openly stated belief that B. B.

837
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: Cooper died in the jump. It was just the line

838
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: that they took right off the bat there, like there's

839
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: no way this guy survived, and um, the he wasn't

840
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: the lead agent on the case, but he became the

841
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: most famous agent. Ralph Himmel's Bach Any Himmel's box in

842
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: the house. Now you're a liar, liar, So Himmel's Boch.

843
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: Like I said, he wasn't the lead agent, but he

844
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: was out of the Seattle office, and he became the

845
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: most famous agent associated with it. And um, he actually

846
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: gave the case. It's the official name nor Jack, which

847
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: is stupid any Northwest Jack sky Jack right, but removed

848
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: the sea. It's just called the dB Cooper case, you know,

849
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: or Hi Steven better. So he self published a book

850
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: in six about the case. And Himmel's Box said he

851
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: thinks that dB Cooper didn't even get a shoot open,

852
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: that he plunged to his death and hit the forest

853
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: floor with such impact that he basically was buried immediately

854
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: with the parachute still attached, and maybe even the money.

855
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: And uh, that was Himmel's Box. Take that. Excuse me?

856
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: Are you gonna get that? I would realized it wasn't

857
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: its twist off, and then I realized I had my

858
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: lighter from the loose leaf tea place nice going. You

859
00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: just saw the some of Chuck's college education. So Cooper

860
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: had jumped from the plane. Did he live? Did he not?

861
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: The odds are against him in a lot of ways. Outside.

862
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: The temperature that night was twenty degrees fahrenheit. Um, hey,

863
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: we're in America, man, Yeah, you're right, twenty degrees USA.

864
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: At ten thousand feet it was negative seven degrees uh,

865
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: and he was going a hundred and ninety miles an hour.

866
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: There was freezing rain. It was there was like a

867
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: quarter crescent or not a quarter crescent, a crescent moon.

868
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: Those are two different things, crescent moon and the sky.

869
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: But it was cloudy and rainy, so there's probably was

870
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: zero light. It's freezing. He's ten thousand feet. He's not

871
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: dressed for the occasion. No, he's wearing loafers. He's wearing

872
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: an overcoat. He's got this he doesn't have this knapsack,

873
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: so he's fashioned this weird kind of knapsack with his

874
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: pink rope. Plus plus the area's jumping out into. He's

875
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: playing at ten thousand feet over the cascades. Some of

876
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: the cascades, as you guys know, are higher than ten

877
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: thousand feet, very dangerous jump. And there's a lot of

878
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: pointy trees. I mean, the point is in my rights

879
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: yet and all the point is trees around Plus Despite

880
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: what the f A A guy said, the f A psychiatrist,

881
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: he did not leave the bomb to be detonated after

882
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: he jumped off. He took it with him. Bank bag bomb,

883
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: overcoat loafers. Parachute was my dB. And by the way,

884
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: the FBI later on they interte interviewed monk lock Or

885
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: who was the one who saw Yeah, Schaffter saw the

886
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: bomb like you just didn't. And she said, yeah, you

887
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: know these red sticks taped together and they went, huh,

888
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: that wasn't dynamite. Dynamite isn't red. You've seen too many cartoons.

889
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: Dynamite is tan. Road flares are red. So it was

890
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: more than likely a fake bomb with an alarm clock

891
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: and road flayers. Plus D B. Cooper did not help

892
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: his cause by his choice of parachutes, right he um,

893
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: he's so. He chose a military shoot as his main shoot.

894
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: It was not a great shoot. The rip cord wasn't

895
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: as easily accessed as the recreational shoots, and once it

896
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: deployed you can't steer it very well. It was not

897
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: the best choice. Even worse was his choice of the

898
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: dummy shoot for his front reserve shoot. He took the

899
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: best shoot and gutted it to make a handle for

900
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: the bank bag, left the second best shoot, and chose

901
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: the two worst shoots to jump out with right, So

902
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know you couldn't steer a military shoot, but

903
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Yeah, they're just like, go for it, Pale,

904
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: because if I was in the military, I would steer.

905
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: I would be like, well, how do we go over here? Instead,

906
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: let's see a lot of guns down there, Let's take

907
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: it this way. So they just drop you, apparently, Yeah,

908
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: and I guess you know what they're doing. Though, So

909
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: some other theories, because it's Washington, believe it or not,

910
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: some people actually posited that he was eaten by sasquatch

911
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: with a straight face. I mean, let's be honest, how

912
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: many of you in here we're thinking the same thing. Uh.

913
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: Some other people say, well, he was clearly burned up

914
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: by the jet exhaust, because when you come down the

915
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: stairs of a seven seven, the rear jet engines right

916
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: in front of you, and it would have been seven

917
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: eight hundred degrees right there. Um. But the FBI conducted

918
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: a test right afterward where they took a seven seven

919
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: up and they took a two hundred pounds sled a

920
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: two hundred pound prison victim. Right, he was condemned. Don't

921
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: worry about it, it's fine, And uh, they said and

922
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: threw it off, and they found that the two pound

923
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: sled uh that's the euphemism, I guess now went straight down,

924
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: so it didn't come in contact in any way with

925
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: the jet exhaust. So it kind of did away with

926
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: this idea that he burned up. Well, it was kind

927
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: of good news bad news though, because what it did do,

928
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: at least was it mimic that same oscillation. So they're like, oh,

929
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: you know what, it was the exact same thing happened

930
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: when we were in the air, So that twelve pm

931
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: jump time, like it was probably right on the money,

932
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: so we know probably where he might have ended. Right,

933
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of questions remaining, right, and um,

934
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: there were some clues left behind. The thing that that

935
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: really kind of confounded the FBI at first was that

936
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: they combed the area where they were looking for him,

937
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: with like a thousand people just combing this area, the

938
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: SR seventy one blackbirds circling around looking. They didn't find anything.

939
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: He had left a couple of things on board the plane, right,

940
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: He left his clip on tie, which was the second

941
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: biggest secret that night. Uh. Hell, that's what you do

942
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: before you jump out, you know, you you take it

943
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: off and there was a clip on all along. You

944
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: unbuttoned that button. Then you're like, I'm out of here.

945
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: All right? He left the eight cigarette butts of his

946
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: Rawley brand cigarettes. He smoked eight over five hours, and

947
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: all eight butts have since been lost. Right, Um, they

948
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: found a hair on the headrest. Um. They The thing

949
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: is the FBI traded in fingerprints. That was their big

950
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: thing at the time, and Dan Cooper had been very

951
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: smart to not leave a single print on any of

952
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: the cigarette butts. Yeah. True, but there was fingerprints on

953
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: the in flight guess sky Mall magazine? Yeah, r I

954
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: p s guy mall. What do you mean it's not around,

955
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: it's gone. Yeah, it's sky Malls gone. Did you guys

956
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: not know this? No way, it's yeah, that's why I

957
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: said I know, But I just, uh, I don't know

958
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: where am I going to get my putting green that

959
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: doubles as a cat feeder? My friend, you can just

960
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: go to front Gate because front has everything everyone needs.

961
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: What's that funk they advertised in Skymall, But they have

962
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: stores too. I don't even know where I am right now.

963
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: That's uncle, Like, what year is it? No? So it

964
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: would be seven years before any trace of the hijacking,

965
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: any real clue turned up, and it was in there

966
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: were some hunters in Oregon hunting animals. I guess, right,

967
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: unless it was the most dangerous game. You don't know.

968
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: It's Oregon, you never know. There are less civilized people

969
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: than we have here. Uh. They found a plastic and

970
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: strung action placard showing how to lower the f staircase

971
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: in the woods. So this is like a really good clue.

972
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: It was, but it didn't. It didn't lead to anything new. Well,

973
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: it was from flight three oh five, which was I

974
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: guess I'm saying it was cool. It was cool, like

975
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: if you were the hunter, you'd be like, I'm keeping this,

976
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: but um, it was on the flight path. So it

977
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: didn't generate any new leads, but it generated a lot

978
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: of renewed interest in the case because, believe it or not,

979
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: the dB Cooper case it kind of fall into the

980
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: wayside in the last like seven years. People just didn't

981
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: think much about it anymore, right exactly, So it was

982
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: like a dime a dozen't But all of a sudden,

983
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: everybody's like, we got to make a movie. Who's the

984
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: biggest movie star We've got Tree Williams make him as

985
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: dB Cooper and that's what they did. Has anyone ever

986
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: seen in the pursuit of DV Cooper? No, that's right, everybody,

987
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: God bless you, seatt all smart town chunk. I figured

988
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: here like somebody, but as it was a local thing,

989
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: very very bad movie was made several starring Treat Williams

990
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: and Robert duval Right, whose mom needed surgery at the

991
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: time the layoff. So here's what well, First of all,

992
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: if you want to know how big a piece of

993
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: garbage this movie is, it had three directors, And if

994
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: you know anything about filmmaking, if you have more than

995
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: one director, it's probably a really bad movie for one

996
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: reason or another. But has three, then it's guaranteed to

997
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: be bad. But all you need to do is go

998
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 1: home tonight when you get back to your to your

999
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: house boats a qua. Does anyone here live on a

1000
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: houseboat now? Because I was gonna ask if I could

1001
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: come stay over because those things are awesome. That was

1002
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: just sleepless in Seattle. You've seen that too many times?

1003
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: Oh no, they exist, uh, Because I tried to stay

1004
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 1: in an AIRB and B actually before I came here

1005
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: on the house yeah, I totally did, and I ended

1006
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: up in some stupid hotel downtown. Go home to your

1007
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: YouTube's type in Pursuit of dB Cooper and watch the

1008
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: first three minutes, because this movie literally starts with the

1009
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: point from where DV Cooper jumps out of the back

1010
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: of the plane. It starts from the point where we

1011
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: know nothing else that happened is literally fictional from that

1012
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: point slogan on the movie posters fact sch Max. So

1013
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: it starts with the pursuit of dB Cooper and has

1014
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: Robert Duvald the names all come up and all that,

1015
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: and it's got a juice heart plane. It's like wang

1016
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: wang wang wang wang wang wang wog and uh treat Williams.

1017
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: It's a terrible voice voiceover recording. You just hear. Yeah,

1018
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: And he jumps off the thing because that's what you do.

1019
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: And he jumped off a plane and your sky jagging.

1020
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: He parachutes down in the night and the night and

1021
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: he catches through some trees and lands and then just

1022
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: this really little sad yeah, who everything was sad about

1023
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,959
Speaker 1: that and tree Williams gets on the on the ground

1024
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: and he and he takes out a cigar and he

1025
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: takes out a lighter, because that's what you do to

1026
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: when you successfully landed after Scott jacking. He doesn't like

1027
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: the lighter though. He rips open the money bag. He

1028
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: takes out a hundred dollar bill and he lights that

1029
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: and then he uses that to light a cigar. And

1030
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: that is how that movie opens. And it goes downhill

1031
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: from there. And Robert daval Is, he's just you can

1032
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: tell when he starts every scene. Let's do it. It's

1033
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: so bad, but I do encourage you. It was mean

1034
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: when I was a kid and it came out. It

1035
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: was like we got HBO on my street, and it

1036
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: was a really big deal when we got Cable and HBO.

1037
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: So I would literally watch any movie that came out.

1038
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: It was like Crull, that's a hey, Cull was okay,

1039
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: great movie, Pursuit of D. B. Cooper. Why not? I

1040
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: was not exposed to that. I think my mother shielded

1041
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: me from that movie. Good for you, mom. Watch the

1042
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: first two minutes on your chuck. So, um, we're still

1043
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: talking about the placard, weren't we? No, no, no, All right,

1044
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: well we'll go to nineteen eighty was the first real

1045
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: good clue turns up in Night Right this is a

1046
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: big clue, big clue. So there's a young lad named

1047
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: Brian Ingram, he was eight, I think at the time,

1048
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: and his family was camping on Tina Bar. Are you

1049
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: guys familiar with Tina Bar? Do you guys know what

1050
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: that is? The Columbia Columbia River. We're so are we

1051
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: correct and understanding that you would just call it an

1052
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: island not a bar? Okay? All right? So Tina Island

1053
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: everywhere else. The Ingram family was camping, and Brian Ingram

1054
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: was fashioning a fire pit for his family. Oh, father

1055
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: is going to love this fire pit. He'll be proud

1056
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: of me. Yet, Oh father, why don't you love me?

1057
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: And as he's as he's like, is he's going like

1058
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: this to the sand, poor a little eight year old.

1059
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: He turns up a stack of bills, several stacks of

1060
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: bills actually um three and these stacks of bills total

1061
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: eighty dollars, and he's like, father, Father, Father takes those

1062
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: and uh starts looking at him and he's like, we

1063
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: should probably call the police. So they go and call

1064
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,439
Speaker 1: the police. And again they call the Seattle Police, which

1065
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: evidently all they do is forward calls to the FBI.

1066
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: They're like, Seattle p D. Please hold. So the FBI

1067
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: is like, read a serial number, and he reads one

1068
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: and they're like me, just another, reads another, and they're

1069
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: like that's dB Cooper money. And Ingram's father's like what

1070
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: did you say? And they're like nothing. So the FBI

1071
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: gets their hands on it, and actually we should say

1072
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: it turns out they they let little Brian Ingram, um

1073
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,959
Speaker 1: take some of the money. Three thousand dollars of this money.

1074
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: Actually later on they returned a little not bad, right, uh?

1075
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: And you want to know what's even better? In two

1076
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, little Brian Ingram sold that money on

1077
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: eBay for thirty seven grand right, yeah, take that, father.

1078
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: So the thing is this money showed up in a

1079
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: place where it should not have been. Um, it showed

1080
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: up twenty miles south of Aerial Wash Shington, in another river.

1081
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: So they were looking here in the Lewis River, right,

1082
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: everybody knows Lewis River, Ariel Washington. Here, Tina Bars down

1083
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: here just a little south of Vancouver. Is my geography,

1084
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: my air geography, right a Vancouver, Washington. Everybody Vancouver Washington?

1085
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: Is that is it like this? That's even more amazing

1086
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: this is what I suspected, and I looked it up

1087
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: on Google maps and they're like, what do you mean,

1088
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: Tina bar Josh. So I wasn't able to conclusively find it,

1089
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: but I did have this idea that it somehow ended

1090
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: up above it and the an FBI hydrologists looked at

1091
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: this money said, FBI has a hydrologist. I'm retainer. Himmel's

1092
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: Bach got ahold of him. And um. The guy was like,

1093
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,919
Speaker 1: so this stuff has only been exposed to the elements

1094
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: for a year, even though it was found what nine

1095
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: years after the robbery, right, and it got here one

1096
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: of two ways, the guy said, So the Columbia River

1097
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: flooded in uh and it was also dredged in like

1098
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: ninety seven, So one of those two probably got this here,

1099
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: but no one's ever said conclusively how it ended up

1100
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: where it was. So, yeah, there you go, I got it.

1101
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: It would be another twenty eight years before any more

1102
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: clues turned up, So that's a very long wait. In

1103
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, just eight short years ago, some

1104
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: kids we're playing on there was it their own land

1105
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 1: in Amboy, little south of Ariel. Anyone from Amboy, No,

1106
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: I suspected not are we in Washington? Okay, yeah, but

1107
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: nobody's from am Boy. We got more response in Birmingham.

1108
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: No about Amboy. Yeah, they're like, we're like the sound

1109
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: of that. So these kids were playing in the woods

1110
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: on their property and they said, oh, look at there,

1111
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: there's a parachute and they start pulling out this parachute

1112
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: for like an hour. It's like a magic trick. And

1113
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: they finally get to the end of the parachute and

1114
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: they run and show Pa and then they say, Paw,

1115
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: I found a parachute in the woods. What should we do? Right?

1116
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: And Paul recognize that this is the most exciting thing

1117
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: that ever happened in Amboy. Washington called the cops, who

1118
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: called the Seattle police, who called the FBI, and the

1119
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: FBI did something smart. They're like, well, you know who

1120
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: would know if this was dB Cooper's parachute. Good old

1121
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: Earl Costi, it's right, he's not dead yet, not dead yet.

1122
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: M oh too soon. That's a good he's not dead yet.

1123
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: That's the celebratory None of us are dead yet, right,

1124
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: that's a good, good way of looking at it, Chuck,

1125
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: good way to find the silver lining. So Earl Cossie

1126
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: looked at this thing and he was like yeah, he said,

1127
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He said, uh, Poper, shoot was nylon. That's

1128
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: clearly silk. Good try, Yeah, he said, this is I

1129
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: know who shoot this is. Actually it turns out that

1130
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: back in a jet pilot named Floyd Walling bailed out

1131
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: of his course air jet that was going down and

1132
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: parachuted out in the woods around Amboy Washington, right, which

1133
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 1: isn't too far from Arial And it wasn't Cooper's shoot.

1134
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: You guys all remember when they found that parachute right

1135
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: like two thousand and eight. It wasn't that long ago.

1136
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: It was a big deal, um, and it wasn't his shoot,

1137
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: but it did suggest that possibly he could have made

1138
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,560
Speaker 1: it because Floyd Walling had and he walked out of

1139
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: the woods and terrible weather, just like debe Cooper would

1140
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: have had to. So it kind of um shined a

1141
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: light on the whole thing again. Yeah, it kind of

1142
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: kicks some interest up. So um. Over the years, there

1143
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: have been many, many, many, many suspects, like we're talking

1144
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: over a thousand. The FBI won't even say how many

1145
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: suspects they've had, or weirdly, people confessing to be dB Cooper.

1146
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: It's one of those strange things that people do where

1147
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: they claim to be something that will send you to prison. Well,

1148
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: a lot of them are already in prison, but they're

1149
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: in worse prison and hoping to go to a good prison. No,

1150
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: it's true. Apparently state prisoners will try to confess to

1151
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: federal crimes because the cinnamon buns are better in federal prison.

1152
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 1: I was thinking, cinnamon bun. That's because there's cinnamon buns

1153
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: in our green room. Well, now we've mentioned that in

1154
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: the prisons. That's like a commodity in prison, right, cinnamon buns. Yeah,

1155
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: it's like currency. Yeah, yeah, alright, cinnamon buns and cigarettes.

1156
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: We know. So there's a very famous sketch. If you

1157
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: go home, before you get on YouTube and look at

1158
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: the first three minutes of that terrible movie, which you

1159
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,959
Speaker 1: definitely need to do, just Google, get on the Google's

1160
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: and and type in dB Cooper sketch. There's a very

1161
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: singular amos sketch of DV Cooper. It looks like n Spacey,

1162
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: It looks a lot like Kevin Spacey, yeah, or Don

1163
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: Draper as Kevin Spacey. It would be Kevin Spacey is

1164
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: Don Draper, Yeah, yeah, sure. So if you go home

1165
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: and look at that, it's like, you know, I got

1166
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: this kind of shortier guy, looks like he's sort of

1167
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: from the fifties or sixties. It's got the hair, he's

1168
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: got the sunglasses on, and the tie, the skinny tie.

1169
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: And that's the only sketch that they have of dB

1170
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: Cooper that they got from the flight attendants, specifically Tina

1171
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: muck Law, because she spent like five hours right next

1172
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: to the dude. Um. She incidentally was really messed up

1173
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: after this, understandably, and she went to be a nun

1174
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: in Oregon in the nineteen eighties, which is a little weird.

1175
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know they had convinced in Oregon. There's a

1176
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: convent right over in the app there's a comment behind

1177
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: us right now. But even worse than that, the mother superior,

1178
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: in an article I read at the convent, said she'd

1179
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: never really fit in here. I'm not. If you're a

1180
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: mother superior, that's a mother inferior. If you ask me,

1181
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: you know, good one. So sorry, you go ahead, you

1182
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: all right, If you look at some of the behavior

1183
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: that Cooper displayed, you're gonna turn up some clues. And

1184
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: that's what that fbida, is it kind of examine what happened. Um,

1185
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: he chose a military shoot, which could mean one of

1186
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: two things. Either he was former military, which you could

1187
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: narrow it down, or it could mean he has no

1188
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: idea what he's doing when it comes to jumping out

1189
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: of a plane, right, And the choice of that dummy

1190
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: shoot would definitely suggest that, because even recreational skydivers say, like,

1191
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: even if you're just a military parachutist, you're gonna see

1192
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: a huge X on a parachute and instinctively shy away

1193
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: from that parachute. You know, I thought it stood for

1194
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: extreme right. So there's a lot of people say, I

1195
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: think he probably is ex military, had some like parachuting experience,

1196
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: probably a paratrooper or something like that. Yeah, A lot

1197
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: of people point to the idea that, um, he knew

1198
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: a lot about the plane. He knew about the wing

1199
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: flap degree that it could go to, he knew about altitude.

1200
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: A lot of the witnesses later on said that, um,

1201
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: he clearly was very much aware of what was going

1202
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: on in the cabin. He just knew the plane very much.

1203
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: So a lot of other people say this guy was

1204
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: probably an airline employee, maybe even a pilot actually based

1205
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: on the altitude and stuff that he gave him to fly. Yeah,

1206
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: and one of the weird things that he knew was

1207
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: that had an F staircase that you could lower and

1208
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: jump out of. Because this wasn't common knowledge at the time,

1209
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: Apparently a small group of people knew this. You were

1210
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: either an employee of Boeing or you may have been

1211
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: in the c I A. Because in the Vietnam War

1212
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: we actually used the seven over Cambodia, which is where

1213
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: we were not supposed to be, and they lowered that

1214
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: F staircase of seven seven to drop supplies. You can't

1215
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: steer but go well. And then there's the whole thing

1216
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: with the s R. Seventy one Blackbird. So a lot

1217
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: of cooper is still say that he might have been

1218
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: secretly a member of the CIA, and he knew about

1219
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: the A staircase, he knew about the or the blackbird

1220
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: was scrambled, so they had like some skin in the game.

1221
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: So a lot of suspects have come and gone and

1222
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: come back and stayed over the years. Um the FBI

1223
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: says about it, well, they won't say, but a lot

1224
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: of people say about a thousand like Chuck said, But

1225
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: one of the first ones to emerge was a dude

1226
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: named Richard McCoy and um in February of nineteen seventy two,

1227
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: I think, four months after the dB Cooper heist, Richard

1228
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: McCoy hijacked uh sight and he asked for five hundred

1229
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in cash and he parachuted successfully out the

1230
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: back over Utah. Right. Yeah, so a lot of people

1231
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: say that's pretty similar. Maybe that was Stevie Cooper. Well

1232
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: in five grand, that to me, that makes sense, like

1233
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: worked out fine. I should have asked for more to

1234
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: begin with, So let me try it again again. It

1235
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: turns out that he was a Green Beret in Vietnam,

1236
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: so that sort of fits with the whole profile. Uh.

1237
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: He looked a little bit like the sketch of Dan

1238
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: Cooper and a little bit. Yeah, he was twenty nine

1239
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,560
Speaker 1: years old, so he was much younger than Cooper, but

1240
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: he didn't look twenty nine. I'll say that he looked

1241
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: much older than that. He looked more like uh Don

1242
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 1: Draper than Charles Manson. I'll say that. Uh. So this

1243
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: guy gets caught actually after pulling off this high initially

1244
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: and he goes to prison, and he makes a fake

1245
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: gun out of dental plaster from the dentist in the prison,

1246
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: and he takes the truck by force and literally crashes

1247
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: through the front gate of the prison and escapes and

1248
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: is later killed in a shootout by cops. Which is

1249
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: Richard McCoy knew how to live, he did and die

1250
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: uh and his family would later go on to say,

1251
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: actually he was at home in Thanksgiving. Uh, so it

1252
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: probably wasn't him, right, good suspect though, Suspect number two

1253
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: his named Dwayne Webber. This is my guy. I like.

1254
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: This guy is fine, but I don't like him, you

1255
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, Dwayne Webber was a career criminal,

1256
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: and the definition of a career criminal is one where

1257
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: you and your alias have both done time in prison,

1258
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: and he and his alias had done a combined sixteen years. Right. So,

1259
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: he was on his deathbed and his wife Joe came

1260
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: around and said, how you doing. It's like, while I'm

1261
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: still dying, I have a confession for you. I'd like

1262
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: you to hear. Um, I am Dane Cooper. And Joe's like,

1263
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is, and Dwayne blows up.

1264
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: They have a fight on his death, it never speak

1265
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: of it again, and he dies nine days later. So

1266
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 1: Joe starts poking around after that. She's like, who is

1267
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 1: this Dan Cooper? Which is a legitimate question after experience

1268
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: like that that she went through, I would say so.

1269
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: And she finds out via Internet this is that Dan

1270
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: Cooper was dB Cooper, and she said, you know what,

1271
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: I think that he was telling the truth. I think

1272
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: he was dB Cooper because you know what, I remember

1273
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine, we were on a vacation. We

1274
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: were on a car trip. We were kind of right

1275
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: around the area where the hijacking i'm sorry, where the

1276
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: landing supposedly took place, and my husband stopped the car

1277
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: and just pointed and said, you know what, that's where D. B.

1278
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: Cooper walked out of the woods, which is a weird

1279
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: thing to say on vacation, very weird thing to say.

1280
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 1: It's even weirder that she didn't say, what the hell

1281
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Yeah, agreed, there's another story. Later on,

1282
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: they were on another vacation. This is the same vacation.

1283
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: Oh it's the same one. All right. We'll just call

1284
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: this the communication vacation, the non communication vacation because They

1285
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: clearly didn't talk to one another because he stopped over

1286
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: the Columbia River on a bridge, literally stops on a bridge,

1287
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: gets out of the car, goes to the back, opens

1288
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: the trunk, and it's just gone for like ten minutes,

1289
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: gets back in the car and they just drive on

1290
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: and she doesn't say anything. I know you me, you

1291
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: would have been like, why did you take your foot off?

1292
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: The guess that would have been family would have had

1293
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: three questions on why we stots on a bridge and

1294
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: I opened the trunk. Not Joe, Not Joe. So a

1295
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: lot of people still like Dwayne Webber, but he's actually

1296
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: the FBI said, no, that's not the guy. We ruled

1297
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: him out with d n A. Right, Yes, the next

1298
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 1: guy is my guy, Kenny Christensen. That's right. He was

1299
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: a pretty well like suspect for a while. He um

1300
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: keeping with the series of family members outing their family

1301
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: as d B. Cooper, which actually supports the family motto

1302
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: that I was brought up with never trust family. It's

1303
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: a proud Clark tradition. So his brother Lyle Actually this

1304
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: gets a little weird. He outed him as a suspect

1305
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: and an effort to get the screenwriter Nora Fron Sleepless

1306
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: in Seattle, right, didn't you see that coming? He tried

1307
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: to get Nora Ephron to write a movie about dB

1308
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: Cooper via his brother being the main suspect. And he, weirdly,

1309
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 1: I guess he didn't have an agent. He hired a

1310
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,799
Speaker 1: private investigator to get him in touch with Nora Evron.

1311
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: Very strange. But he championed his own brother as the

1312
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: main suspect or outed him, that's another way to put it,

1313
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: for sure. And um, a guy named Jeoffrey Gray. Really

1314
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: great article in New York Magazine if you guys are

1315
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: interested about this particular guy. But um, there's a lot

1316
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: of similarities between DBI Cooper and Kenny Christiansen. For one,

1317
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: he he looks a lot like him right off the bat.

1318
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: He was a purser for Northwest Orient Airlines. That's a

1319
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: big deal. Former paratrooper. He was quiet, He smoked cigarettes,

1320
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: he drank bourbon, lived in the area where the hijacking

1321
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: took place, which is to say around here. And um,

1322
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: and I think two thousand eleven, Jeffrey Gray, the guy

1323
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: who wrote that New York Magazine article, got in touch

1324
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: with Florence Shaffner and said what about this guy? And

1325
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: Florence Schaffner said, I think he may be onto something here. Yeah,

1326
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:47,759
Speaker 1: And like Dwayne Weber, Kenney Christensen on his deathbed tried

1327
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: to make a confession to his brother Lyle. He he said,

1328
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: I have something really important to tell you, but I'm

1329
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 1: not sure if I can if I can say this,

1330
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: and Lyle said, no, no, no, I don't want to

1331
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: hear it. Did you guys know that you cannot hear

1332
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: a deathbed confession? Well, not only that, but I want

1333
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 1: nothing more than to hear a deathbed confession. I would

1334
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: be dying. I would be like, oh my god, Dish, yes,

1335
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: what do you have to say? But he was like, no, no, no,

1336
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to want to hear what you gotta say.

1337
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: Just go ahead and die and on top of him

1338
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: until he stopped squirming. Here this pillow will make you comfortable.

1339
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: You sleep now, brother, What is going on with these people?

1340
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: Did you just do the Buffalo bill voice? Okay, that

1341
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: was coincidental. Who else do we have? L? D. Cooper

1342
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: a little on the nose with the name. He lived

1343
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: in the area too. Yeah, and he was also outed

1344
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: by a family member. Keeping with the Clark family tradition.

1345
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 1: This time it was his niece. Uh. And she said,

1346
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: you know what I remember. This is in two thousand eleven.

1347
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: This is not too long ago. She said, you know what,

1348
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: I remember back in Thanksgiving, just like it was yesterday,

1349
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:10,799
Speaker 1: and Uncle l. D. Showed up bruised and bleeding for dinner.

1350
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: But he was euphoric, which was weird. And I'm just

1351
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 1: now mentioning this all right. And what she she said,

1352
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: by the way, she had a book coming out simultaneously.

1353
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: What did she say that she overheard because this is

1354
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: where she loses Chuck and me. Well, yeah, she said, Uh,

1355
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: he went to talk to h he was my uncle

1356
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: and went to talk to my dad, and they were

1357
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: I overheard them in the hallway, say we did it.

1358
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: Our money problems are over. We hijacked the plane. The

1359
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: book by Simon and Schuster on sale now and your

1360
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 1: local airport. But there were a few things. Uh, it

1361
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: wasn't totally out of the blue. Um. He was an

1362
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: engineer at Boeing, was yeah. But they were in on

1363
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: it together because we hijack the plane. He's a silent partner. Uh.

1364
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: And weirdly, he remember those Dan Cooper comic books. He

1365
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: was one of the ten people on the planet that

1366
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 1: was a fan of the Dan Cooper that's a little weird.

1367
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. The weird thing is is he didn't

1368
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: have any experienced skydiving, which a lot of people say, well,

1369
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: it's just too insane to think that somebody who never

1370
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: skydive before did their first sky dive during a heist

1371
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: out of a seven seven. But the people who knew L. D.

1372
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: Cooper say, no, he was just crazy enough to do

1373
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: something like that. And you can make a case that

1374
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: that actually explains the choice of the dummy shoot the truth,

1375
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 1: that's right, and the military shoot even Yeah. Alright, so

1376
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 1: the legacy of D. B. Cooper to this day, the

1377
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: heist remains the only unsolved airline hijacking in the history

1378
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: of the world in America. In America, really are there

1379
01:25:54,320 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: other ones? Yeah, I'm only standing behind America. Okay, yeah, right.

1380
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: Every year, if you go to the Aerial Store in

1381
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: Tavern in Ariel, Washington, you can go to the dB

1382
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: Cooper Days Festival. Yeah. Have you guys, has anyone ever

1383
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: been to that? We should all let's go right now,

1384
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna meet up this Thanksgiving. You can win a

1385
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: dB Cooper lookalike contests. If you look like Kevin Spacey, yes,

1386
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: or Charles Manson or Don Dreber, which none of us do. Well,

1387
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you and me look like Justin Bieber.

1388
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: I look like a eight Justin Bieber. I just to

1389
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: put out my tooth. That's how I lost it. I

1390
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: broke it on Justin Bieber's pliable though. You can go

1391
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: to that and when the contest. There have been songs

1392
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: over the years. There was that terrible movie. There've been

1393
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: countless TV reenactments and dramatizations, unsolved mysteries in my right, Yeah,

1394
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: everybody see that one. You can watch that on the

1395
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: YouTube too. Uh. And there are many many cooperist websites,

1396
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 1: most notably one called drop zone dot com. And drop

1397
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: Zone actually used to be a recreational skydiving site until

1398
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 1: he got mostly taken over by dB Cooper aficionados. They

1399
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 1: hijacked the website did as a matter of fact, And

1400
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: this site is like so hot for Cooper Sluice that

1401
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 1: a guy named Secret started posting on it and he

1402
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 1: seemed to have a lot of information about the dB

1403
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: Cooper case that people didn't know about. And it turned

1404
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: out that these Cooper sluice were so good they unmasked

1405
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: the secret guy as the new agent in charge of

1406
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: the dB Cooper case, Larry Carr, who was posting secretly

1407
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 1: as secret on the drop zone boards. That's how good

1408
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: these people are. He's like, no, I'm not, yes you are. No,

1409
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:03,799
Speaker 1: I'm not, yes you are. You are. He's like, okay,

1410
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: I am. You can go on YouTube. Boy, you got

1411
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: you got a lot of YouTube and den people. You

1412
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: can go on YouTube as well and and look up

1413
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: Larry Carr. And for many many years they kept all

1414
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 1: this evidence sort of under wraps, and you can look

1415
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: ut videos. Now Larry Carr said, you know what we

1416
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 1: should do the modern ages. Here we have the YouTube's

1417
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: and we can let everyone see this evidence. Even though

1418
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,759
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of funny that the FBI's official

1419
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: things like no, he totally died. No one told Larry

1420
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: car that, yeah, you know, because he's let's make a

1421
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 1: YouTube video. Let's show everyone that the skinny tie. All

1422
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: the kids are into it. Now he shows the clip

1423
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: on tie. You can see all the you can see

1424
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: the money, the clip on tie, all this evidence. Hoping

1425
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: for a lead, and he oversaw a DNA evidence actually

1426
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: being removed from the tie. They found three people's profiles.

1427
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 1: They also found and we don't even know but pure

1428
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: titanium and impatience pollen. Hopefully that will eventually crack the case.

1429
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: But it made every but he just be like, what

1430
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: we thought we had a handle on this impatience pollen?

1431
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? So? UM, bring us all

1432
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: with my friends. Thank you the Cooper heist. It changed

1433
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: America forever, right, DeBie Cooper is the reason we all

1434
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 1: started walking through metal detector shortly afterward. He's the reason. Seriously,

1435
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: he's the reason that the airlines were given the right

1436
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 1: to search your bags before you get on one of

1437
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 1: their planes. Um, and they apparently reinstituted the death penalty

1438
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 1: for hijacking. I don't know when they took it off.

1439
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,560
Speaker 1: Was it like c ships being hijacked? And then I

1440
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 1: don't either. But the I think the coolest outcome of

1441
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: this whole thing was if you look at a Bowing

1442
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: seven seven they still make them airplane. If you look

1443
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: at that a staircase in the back, there's a white

1444
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: paddle that holds the stairs closed. Pretty smart. You can't

1445
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: open the a staircase midflight because you have to go

1446
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 1: outside and pull the paddle down, and then the astaircase

1447
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: will open. And it's a pretty smart, easy solution to

1448
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: a pretty complex case. And they call that little white

1449
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: paddle a Cooper vein. That's right, and that is the

1450
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 1: story of dB Cooper and that is our show. Goodnight Seattle,

1451
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: goodnight everyone. Thank you for more on this and thousands

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01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 1: of other topics. Is that how stuff works? Dot com