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Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Cerealia. I'm the chief Washington correspondent

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Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio, broadcasting live from the

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Speaker 1: nation's capital in Washington, d CES Bloomberg Bureau. We are

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Speaker 1: following multiple developing stories. Tonight, we had right to the

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal where President Donald Trump told violent protesters who

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Speaker 1: stormed the US capital to quote, go home. Now. We

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Speaker 1: have sound on tape from his message that was recorded

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Speaker 1: I know your pain. I know you're hurt. We had

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Speaker 1: an election that was stolen from us. It was a

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Speaker 1: landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side.

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Speaker 1: But you have to go home now. We have to

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Speaker 1: have peace. We have to have law and order. We

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Speaker 1: We don't want anybody hurt. It's a very tough period

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Speaker 1: of time. There's never been a time like this where

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Speaker 1: such a thing happened, where they could take it away

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Speaker 1: from all of us, from me, from you, from our country.

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Speaker 1: This was a fraudulent election. But we can't play into

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Speaker 1: the hands of these people. We have to have peace,

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Speaker 1: So go home. We love you. You're very special. You've

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Speaker 1: seen what happens. You see the way others are treated

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Speaker 1: that are so bad and so evil. I know how

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Speaker 1: you feel. But go home and go home in peace. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: earlier in the day, the President held a rally near

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Speaker 1: the White House, where he repeated his false claims that

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Speaker 1: his loss to Joe Biden was due to vote fraud,

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Speaker 1: and at the rally, President Trump encouraged protesters to go

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Speaker 1: to object to some electoral College votes. He also tweeted

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Speaker 1: that his own Vice President, Mike Pence, who was presiding

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Speaker 1: what should have been done to protect our country and

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Speaker 1: our constitution and quote. We are still following the developments

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Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill where protesters still are. This is a

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Speaker 1: scene seems to largely somewhat calm. We're carefully monitoring that

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Speaker 1: and will bring you the news as it happens with

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Speaker 1: whether or not Congress will reconvene. President elect Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: spoke earlier from Wilmington, Delaware. We have sound on that here.

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Speaker 1: He is. Let may be very clear, the scenes of

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Speaker 1: chaos of the Capitol. Do not reflect a true America,

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Speaker 1: do not represent who we are what we're saying for

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Speaker 1: a small number of extremists dedicated to lawlessness. This is

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Speaker 1: not the scent. It's disorder, it's chaos, borders on sedition,

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Speaker 1: and it must end now. Meanwhile, it all came to

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Speaker 1: gave his address at about eleven a m. New York time,

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Speaker 1: outside out of the White House earlier today, right outside

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Speaker 1: of the White House grounds, on a public space in

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Speaker 1: which the certification process in the Senate Chamber convened. Senate

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Speaker 1: Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had this to say, take a list,

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Speaker 1: and it's very powerful. This election were overturned by mirror

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Speaker 1: allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a

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Speaker 1: death sparrow. We'd never see the whole nation except an

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Speaker 1: election again. Genie's ao is an Iona College professor. Uh

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Speaker 1: joins us. She is also a Bloomberg contributor. Uh Genie.

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Speaker 1: A remarkable, remarkable day that is still unfolding, and still

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Speaker 1: no word yet for when Congress will reconvene to continue

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Speaker 1: its certification process. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, I think

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Speaker 1: we're hearing and I'm sure you're hearing increasing calls from Democrats,

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Speaker 1: of Manufacturers, the largest manufacturing association, coming out and calling

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth Amendment to remove the president as a result

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Speaker 1: of the activities and what has happened today. You know,

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Speaker 1: of his administration. We should note that a handful of

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Speaker 1: mc mulvaney former communications director Alisa Fara, implored the President

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Speaker 1: The President's tweet is not enough, mulvaney wrote on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: He can stop this now and needs to do exactly that.

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Speaker 1: Tell these folks to go home. Um and Alyssa also

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Speaker 1: The election was not stolen. We lost. Some powerful, powerful

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Speaker 1: We've heard other people, but it's voices like that, people

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Speaker 1: The violence against security folks you know, who are doing

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Speaker 1: say it's time to go home. We have officers, we've

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Speaker 1: let's head right now to Capitol Hill, where Eric Wasson,

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Speaker 1: a Bloomberg congressional reporter, has been tirelessly reporting. Eric, what's

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Speaker 1: that we're sheltering in place. So, you know, other his

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Speaker 1: It's it's important context to note just the important role

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Speaker 1: to you here, at a time in which there were

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Speaker 1: protesters rushing inside of the Capitol, the campus went into lockdown,

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Speaker 1: and his vice president was taken into a secure facility

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Speaker 1: to protect his safety. Yeah, and we should also note

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Speaker 1: that Mike Pence handed lawmakers a letter I think it

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Speaker 1: was about two or three pages, just moments before this

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Speaker 1: all erupted, and part of that said quote, it is

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Speaker 1: my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend

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Speaker 1: the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine

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Speaker 1: which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.

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Speaker 1: And again, that was Mike Pence the vice president, and

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Speaker 1: that seems to have been part of what frustrated that

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Speaker 1: was just before the president tweeted what you just quoted

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Speaker 1: him as saying, um, And of course what followed was

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Speaker 1: the rioting and the vice president being moved. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence is a constitutionalist, he's an institutionalist. He's stuck

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Speaker 1: to what he believed, and unfortunately we've all seen what

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Speaker 1: has happened as a result of that. It's it's exactly

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Speaker 1: and there's events are still under uh still under unfolding.

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Speaker 1: Michael Steele just to continue to to unpack this and

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Speaker 1: this tension that really boiled over between President Trump and

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Speaker 1: his vice president so publicly and former staffers like Alyssa

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Speaker 1: Fara coming out now, someone who I think many journalists

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d c. Are familiar with given her time

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Speaker 1: and the Freedom Caucus where she worked for the current

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Speaker 1: UH president Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, for her to

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Speaker 1: come out and say that this is over, this election

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Speaker 1: is over. She is a close ally to Vice President

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence politically speaking, Where do where does Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: go to these results are certified? Well, I think there's

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Speaker 1: also just a public safety aspect to it. I mean

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Speaker 1: them having the president to continue to insist that these

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Speaker 1: things that aren't true or true and encouraging his orders

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Speaker 1: and acts of violence is dangerous. Um. I think politically,

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Speaker 1: the vice president is doing the only thing that he

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Speaker 1: can do, right, I mean his if he wants to

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Speaker 1: seek the nomination in not no indication that he does

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Speaker 1: if the president President Trump doesn't run again. I think

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Speaker 1: if the President Trump runs again, there's no path for

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Speaker 1: for the vice president. But the Pence argument, if he's

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Speaker 1: in that race, is that I'm the best guy to

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Speaker 1: unite the fervent Trump supporters with the more traditional conservatives

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Speaker 1: and unite the Republican Party and win in the presidential election.

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Speaker 1: And I think that one of the reasons that he

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Speaker 1: is to preserve that that pathway. Just he hit a point,

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Speaker 1: he hit the he had a point where his loyalty

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Speaker 1: to the president was tested against the loyalty to the Constitution,

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Speaker 1: and he chose the Constitution. All right, and let's let's

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Speaker 1: let's re set here, because coming up in the next

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Speaker 1: half hour, we're going to hear from Congressman Brendan Boyle,

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Speaker 1: a Democrat, from Pennsylvania. But we've we've gotten now the

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Speaker 1: complete update in terms of what's been continuing to unfold

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Speaker 1: at the US Capital, and we've explored the reporting between

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Speaker 1: and the TikTok really between President Trump and his Vice

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Speaker 1: president Mike Pence. Now let's go to the Biden the

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Speaker 1: incoming administration and President elect Joe Biden, because he made

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Speaker 1: remarks from Wilmington, Delaware, earlier today and we've got sound

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Speaker 1: on this coming particularly from what President elect Biden had

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Speaker 1: to say. He called for the violence to end immediately.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to President Elect Joe Biden. That maybe

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Speaker 1: very clear. The scenes of chaos of the capital do

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Speaker 1: not reflect a true America, do not represent who we are.

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Speaker 1: What we're saying for a small number of extremists dedicated

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Speaker 1: to lawlessness, this is not the scent. It's disorder, it's chaos,

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Speaker 1: borders on sedition, and it must end now. He went

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Speaker 1: on to say that he wanted President Trump to step

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Speaker 1: up here. He is with sound on that that we

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Speaker 1: must step up. This is the United States of America.

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Speaker 1: There's never ever, ever, ever ever been a thing we've

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Speaker 1: tried to do that, we've done it together. We've not

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Speaker 1: been able to do it, so President Trump step up,

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Speaker 1: and some breaking news headlines crossing the Bloomberg terminal as

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Speaker 1: we speak that some top Republican House members are saying

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Speaker 1: that it is likely that the uh that the House

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Speaker 1: could reconvene this evening. Again, top Republican lawmakers are saying

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Speaker 1: that they are likely to return this evening to continue

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Speaker 1: their work, which is to certify the election results. In

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Speaker 1: that comment was made by Congressman Steve Scalise, who Michael

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Speaker 1: Steele unfortunately knows all too well. The I mean, I

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Speaker 1: were we all remember that here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: About what happens when issues pertaining to violence against our

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Speaker 1: elected officials happened. And of course I'm thinking about the

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Speaker 1: the the House baseball game UH that was not on

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Speaker 1: the Capitol campus grounds in which he was shot and

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Speaker 1: of course recovered. But I mean to hear the moment

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Speaker 1: of lawmakers continuing to do their job of a trans

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Speaker 1: transition of power will be profound. Michael Steele absolutely, obviously

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Speaker 1: the Mr Schlee speaks as a victim of politically motivated

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Speaker 1: violence himself. Um. And I think that it's important to

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Speaker 1: remember that members of the House and Senate take their

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Speaker 1: responsibilities under our constitution. Very seriously. A lot of them

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Speaker 1: carry a pocket copy of the Constitution in their suit

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Speaker 1: coat pocket. This is their responsibility. And they don't want

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Speaker 1: a gang of thugs to be able to intimidate them,

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Speaker 1: to be able to shut down the workings of the

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Speaker 1: People's House. And so as soon as it is physically possible,

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Speaker 1: as soon as it is safe, they're going to want

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Speaker 1: to reserve, resume doing their job certifying this election, debating

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Speaker 1: this election on the House war? Are we too far

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Speaker 1: removed from the day's genie's a know of when members

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Speaker 1: September eleven two one is are we too far removed

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Speaker 1: from that? When you have, uh, the situation unfolding right now,

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Speaker 1: and will the image of lawmakers returning back to work

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Speaker 1: reverberating across the world, will that be enough to say

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Speaker 1: that the Constitution is still going to be the guiding principle.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the only thing that can get us through

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Speaker 1: the next day in America. Yeah, I mean, I really

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Speaker 1: hope that they can come back. I understand many want

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Speaker 1: to come back immediately tonight, if you know, if it's safe,

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Speaker 1: I hope they do. I think it's important that they

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Speaker 1: will go on in the face of this you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously when it's safe. Um. But you know, as you're

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Speaker 1: talking about them singing on the steps, when I mentioned

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Speaker 1: that to students, you know, freshmen who come into college

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Speaker 1: give you a sense as to how old we're all getting, um,

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Speaker 1: And they you just mentioned something like that, and they

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Speaker 1: chuckle at the idea because to them, in their politically

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Speaker 1: conscious you know, from the time they're in middle school,

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Speaker 1: maybe high school, to college, they can't remember that time

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Speaker 1: you know, I am would be hopeful that we may

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Speaker 1: see something along those lines in the coming days or weeks.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I can be that optimistic, but

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Speaker 1: I hope we could, because I think it's important that

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Speaker 1: we get back to a time where government goes forward

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Speaker 1: and despite really strong disagreements, we remember that we're all

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Speaker 1: Americans and that we are working in concert under the

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Speaker 1: same constitution that Michael was just saying, that they are

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Speaker 1: carrying around as they should. The capital meanwhile, just to

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Speaker 1: sur dive into some of the measures that were taken

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Speaker 1: uh during this afternoon, the President ordered the National Guard

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Speaker 1: troops to the U. S. Capitol on Wednesday and told

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Speaker 1: supporters who overwhelmed Capitol police and stormed the halls of Congress,

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Speaker 1: forcing debate on Joe Biden's victory in the Electoral College

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Speaker 1: to be suspended and to go home. The president's re

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Speaker 1: grabbing their gas masks and loud booms echoing across the complex,

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Speaker 1: protesters rallying, and support of the president rushing past police

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Speaker 1: barriers at the Capitol, and Trump vowing that he'd never

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Speaker 1: concede his election loss. The I mean, it's the afternoon

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Speaker 1: that unfolded in America, just gripping. As as we all recounted,

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Speaker 1: Capitol police were seen providing aid to a bloodied woman

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Speaker 1: lying on the floor in the Capitol building. The Associated

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Speaker 1: Press reported that one person was shot. In addition to

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Speaker 1: suspicious packages were reported near the offices of the Republican

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Speaker 1: National Committee and Democratic National Committee offices, and as the

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Speaker 1: turmoil unfolded, lawmakers fled the House Chamber. Pence was evacuated

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Speaker 1: from the capital just after two PM, and debate over

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Speaker 1: Biden's victory was suspended. And that's where we are right now. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Associated Press now reporting the thirteen arrests were made

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Speaker 1: were recovered. Again, that's according to the Associated Press, some

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Speaker 1: headlines crossing on the Bloomberg terminal. Uh, we're a waiting

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Speaker 1: to uh to be joined by Congressman Brendan Boyle, a

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Speaker 1: Democrat from Pennsylvania. We imagine that his schedule, like so

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Speaker 1: many other elected officials, are in flux. But once we

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Speaker 1: get him on the line, I will will will obviously

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Speaker 1: bring him into the the conversation Michael Steele, just as

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Speaker 1: as we go through the chronology, uh of that the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's looking like the only thing that will

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Speaker 1: move this forward will be the decision to reconvene the capitals.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and I think that they need

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Speaker 1: to go, need to do all the things necessary to

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Speaker 1: make sure that that's safe, make sure that the capital

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Speaker 1: is secure. But I think that you know, in a

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Speaker 1: perfect world, I would love for both sides in both

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Speaker 1: chambers to yield back the time and the debate over Arizona,

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Speaker 1: since the Arizona election is not really in doubt. Prefer

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Speaker 1: if the challenges were not brought against the other states,

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Speaker 1: that they may be brought against and we can proceed

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Speaker 1: with the ceremony. And that's all it really is is

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Speaker 1: a ceremony certifying that the capital has received the elected

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Speaker 1: the electors or electoral college votes from the verious states

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Speaker 1: where they were certified earlier. Uh, and that the former

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Speaker 1: vice president is as he already is, the president elect.

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Speaker 1: So as we look forward and now we are less

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Speaker 1: than thirty minutes away, Jeannie Zo from the six pm

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Speaker 1: Eastern curfew in Washington, d C. I want to bring

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Speaker 1: it back to to the day's post nine eleven, in

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Speaker 1: which the lawmakers and both parties staying on the steps

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Speaker 1: would argue that it would be next to impossible for

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Speaker 1: there to be that unifying moment without either flank of

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Speaker 1: either party calling the other a trader. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely you know, I think as we are, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, almost to this curfew point, um, but we

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Speaker 1: think about, you know, the days of the bold in

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Speaker 1: although sometimes crises like this do bring us to another point.

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Speaker 1: they get back to work, whether that's in an hour later,

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Speaker 1: tonight or tomorrow, um, we may see that Republicans and

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Speaker 1: Democrats on the floor of the House and Senate or

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Speaker 1: both do make a concerted effort, and I would hope

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Speaker 1: they would to express obviously the fact that while they

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Speaker 1: may disagree on things, they do agree that violence is

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Speaker 1: not the answer and that there are processes and procedures

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Speaker 1: So I do think we may see some things like that,

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Speaker 1: and some of that may help. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: think we are long past the time where we're gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, be in a position like we were, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you know, like the nine post nine eleven thing.

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Speaker 1: At this point, you know, I think we're a little

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Speaker 1: ways off of that right now. All right, let's now

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Speaker 1: pivot to the Georgia runoff, because we're still monitoring those

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Speaker 1: election results as well. Just from from last evening, Democrats

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Speaker 1: did win control of the U. S. Senate for the

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Speaker 1: first time in six years with victories and two runoff

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Speaker 1: races in George, a studying result in a state that

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Speaker 1: hadn't sent a new Democratic senator to Washington for two decades.

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Speaker 1: John Ausoft unseated incumbent Republican David Purdue, and Raphael Warnock

646
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Speaker 1: defeated appointed GOP Senator Kelly Leffler in Tuesday's special election.

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Speaker 1: According to the Associated Press, neither Republican had won a

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Speaker 1: majority on November three, forcing the runoffs two months later.

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Speaker 1: The race call came amid chaos in the Nation's capital.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so while all of this was going on,

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Speaker 1: the race was called I mean, Michael Steele. It's it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's almost it's almost difficult to even talk about

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Speaker 1: the Georgia runoffs when this was happening going on in

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Speaker 1: the nation's capital. But here we are, well, and it's

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Speaker 1: all part and parcel of the same thing. Look, Republicans

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Speaker 1: won both of the Senate races in November. They didn't clear,

657
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Speaker 1: but they won both races, and by not consequential margins

658
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Speaker 1: was different between and usually Republicans do better in these

659
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Speaker 1: special elections are not on the same day as a

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Speaker 1: presidential election. What's changed is the President Trump's refusal to

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Speaker 1: accept his loss in the presidential election. So he spent

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Speaker 1: the past weeks and months attacking top elected Republicans in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: and as my old boss Mt. Romney said this morning,

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Speaker 1: telling people the election is rigged is not a great

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Speaker 1: way to get them out to vote. The results that

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Speaker 1: we saw overnight were directly resulted from President Trump's shameful

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Speaker 1: irresponsibility and self indulgent fantasies. All right, I'm told that

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Speaker 1: we have Jack Fitzpatrick, Bloomberg government reporter joining us on

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Speaker 1: the telephone line. Jack, what's the latest from your reporter's notebook.

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Speaker 1: Are a number of lawmakers who actually just want to

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Speaker 1: get right back at it and continue the certification of

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Speaker 1: the presidential election results, possibly tonight. Um Joe Manchin told

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Speaker 1: the pooler at the Capitol, looks like they are going

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Speaker 1: to end up going back to the Capitol. It seems

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Speaker 1: like they really want to make a of not being

676
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Speaker 1: thrown off by this, so sort of surprisingly quickly planning

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Speaker 1: to just get right back at it and continue the

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Speaker 1: debate on the certification process. Do we have any timeline

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Speaker 1: in terms of when that decision will be made? Are

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Speaker 1: we hearing anything from Leader McConnell's orbit or even from

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Speaker 1: the Pence orbit about when that call will ultimately come

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Speaker 1: to reconvene the Congress. We haven't gotten anything like an

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Speaker 1: official plan. It's more than rank and file members talking

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Speaker 1: about a broad discussion about getting back. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: it's about as soon as possible, but we don't really

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Speaker 1: know much about timing. This is such a strange situation

687
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Speaker 1: that I think there are some logistics to work out

688
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Speaker 1: that it's as of now, it's pretty unclear exactly how

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Speaker 1: they're going to get restarted. All right, let's bring in

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Speaker 1: Genie's you know, I mean, as we hear this reporting, Genie,

691
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Speaker 1: I know you've got questions too for our Jack Fitzpatrick.

692
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Speaker 1: So I want to bring you into this because that

693
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Speaker 1: moment of them reconvening is going to be crucial. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be critical, and it's so good to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. So how do they feel, do they? Is

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Speaker 1: there a sense there at the Capital that they I'm

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Speaker 1: just stunned to hear this and I understand it, but

698
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Speaker 1: that they could actually figure this out tonight, make the

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Speaker 1: areas safe and secure enough that you could bring in

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Speaker 1: five thirty five members of eight really members of Congress

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Speaker 1: safely congregating that much power of our federal government in

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Speaker 1: one place at this point. And I would just add

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Speaker 1: because one thing we do here an awful lot is

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Speaker 1: the protests that have occurred in the past. The fact

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Speaker 1: that we have a six pm curfew has not really

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Speaker 1: stopped the protesters, and that this may not get much

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Speaker 1: safer after six right, Well, you're you're raising a really

708
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Speaker 1: good issue in that if they are going to come

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Speaker 1: back to the Capital um there before they can just

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Speaker 1: decide to restart, they're going to have to figure out

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Speaker 1: the logistics of security, because it goes without sing that

712
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Speaker 1: things did not work out the first time. And it

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Speaker 1: is a huge group of lawmakers. It's not quite the

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Speaker 1: State of the Union, but it's a massive collection of

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Speaker 1: powerful figures all in the same room. So we haven't heard.

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Speaker 1: That's really the main reason. We don't know exactly what

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Speaker 1: the timing is. But the discussions that are a little

718
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Speaker 1: vague now are still about essentially as soon as possible

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Speaker 1: getting back to it. Now. I will say maybe a

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Speaker 1: little bit of skepticism. Um, when they had to leave

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Speaker 1: the Capital and we're taken away by Capital police officers,

722
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Speaker 1: they didn't even want to tell anybody where they were

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Speaker 1: going there. There is a lot of sort of fear

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Speaker 1: about giving away too much information about when there will

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Speaker 1: be movement and where the lawmakers are going. So I

726
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Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be simple to just say let's

727
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Speaker 1: snap our fingers and restart. But you are right to

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Speaker 1: raise the idea of the six pm curfew in d

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Speaker 1: C because that doesn't always things down. There were curfews

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Speaker 1: um in June when they are a bunch of protests. Um,

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Speaker 1: so we're we may have to see at six, at

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Speaker 1: six thirty, at seven, what are things looking like? And

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Speaker 1: are the d C Police and others who are helping

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Speaker 1: the Capitol police calm this down? Because there is a

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Speaker 1: lot left to be figured out in terms of restarting things.

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Speaker 1: Jack fits Patrick can make a really smart point there

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Speaker 1: about bringing in the protests and the unrest that we've

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Speaker 1: around the world all seen in cities play out and

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Speaker 1: here in Washington, d C. It was no different. But

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Speaker 1: from your reporting, just from your reporting over the past

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Speaker 1: year really since all of this started it it didn't

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Speaker 1: the preparation from my own reporting seemed to match what

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Speaker 1: the protests and the unrest that we saw in the summer.

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Speaker 1: But that the volume the number of protesters, which of

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Speaker 1: course turned into a mob at the Capitol. But that

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Speaker 1: number did not exceed what what I recall reporting in

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Speaker 1: the summer. Did you do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there seemed to be few were people? What

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Speaker 1: what do you what do you think? Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is just different in kind. Obviously you can make

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Speaker 1: a logical connection between the summer and today in the

752
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Speaker 1: sense that the last year has been, uh an incredibly

753
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Speaker 1: turbulent time in America. But for one thing, this was

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Speaker 1: very specifically not just a protest in the streets of DC.

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Speaker 1: These were people shoving their way into the US Capital,

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Speaker 1: smashing windows. So the exact number doesn't necessarily matter in

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Speaker 1: a sense, it's the damage we're able to get in. Jack,

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Speaker 1: I'm interrupting, Please stay with me, because I'm told that

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Speaker 1: we have Congressman Brendan Boyle, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, joining

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Speaker 1: us on the line. Congressman, are you safe and where

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Speaker 1: are you? First? Let's start there. Yeah, well, thanks, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that I am safe. I'm not supposed to

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Speaker 1: say exactly where I am. We're still on the capital,

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Speaker 1: the capital grounds, um, but yeah, I am safe, so

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Speaker 1: is my staff. And uh, you know, obviously it's hard

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Speaker 1: to put into words, uh my feelings about everything has

767
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Speaker 1: happened this afternoon, I can only imagine. But if you could,

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Speaker 1: could you walk us through the afternoon that you had

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Speaker 1: at the office today. Yeah, you know, I'm I guess

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Speaker 1: saved a bit by alphabetical order. Um, the fact that

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania comes later in the process, and because of COVID

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Speaker 1: restricting the number of people who could be on the

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Speaker 1: House floor, um, those of us I'm going I should explain,

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Speaker 1: I'm one of the people who will be speaking, um,

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Speaker 1: defending the legally cast ballots from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: this past November general election and our twenty electoral votes

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Speaker 1: which apparently are going to be challenged. Of the six

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Speaker 1: states that are going to be challenged, we are going

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Speaker 1: to be either the fifth of the sixth or quite

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Speaker 1: possibly if they're only five still, you know, the fifth one,

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Speaker 1: which means that in the order I won't be speaking,

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Speaker 1: and we won't be speaking until what was supposed to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, right around now or later in the evening.

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Speaker 1: So I had walked back to my office to finish,

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Speaker 1: uh drafting my remarks and to just watch the proceedings

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Speaker 1: on TV until until my state's turn was was up

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Speaker 1: in the order. UM. So I was actually watching on

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Speaker 1: TV what was happening, you know, just right across the street.

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Speaker 1: Although it then quickly became clear it wasn't just confined

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Speaker 1: to the Capitol building itself. Cannon House Office Building had

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Speaker 1: to be evacuated. We were getting nixed signals and a

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Speaker 1: lot of rumors about what was happening in the other

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Speaker 1: two House office buildings. We then got them the urgent

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Speaker 1: alert from Capital Police to stay in our office, to

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Speaker 1: lock everything, UM, to turn off for quiet electronics, and

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Speaker 1: just essentially shelter in place, which is what we did.

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Speaker 1: UM for about it, I would say an hour and

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Speaker 1: a half, two hours until finally Capital Police came in

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Speaker 1: and UM brought me to a different location. So, as

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Speaker 1: this unfolds, have you been given any guidance, Congressman Brendan Boyled,

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Speaker 1: Democrat from Pennsylvania as to when the Congress will reconvene. No,

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Speaker 1: And I want to say, and I've conveyed this to

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Speaker 1: a couple of my senior colleagues on the Democratic side,

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Speaker 1: I feel very strongly that we have to stay here

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Speaker 1: as late as it takes, even if it's over the

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Speaker 1: course of the next twenty four hours, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: We cannot leave here until we fulfill our constitutional responsibility,

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Speaker 1: because if we don't, then this group of thugs will

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Speaker 1: have one and I sure as hell don't want to

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Speaker 1: see that. Our democracy has to win. We have a

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Speaker 1: job to do, and that is to ensure that these

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Speaker 1: three D and six electoral votes that were legally won

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Speaker 1: by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are open today in

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Speaker 1: an accepted in joint session, and that way they can

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Speaker 1: go through with the inauguration in two weeks. And I'm

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Speaker 1: prepared to stay here as long as it takes, and

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Speaker 1: I do think that that most of my all feel

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Speaker 1: the same. One a Congressman, UM, this is Jeanie Zano,

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Speaker 1: and I had a question that I've been wanting to ask,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that you and your staff are

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Speaker 1: safe and everybody there is safe. We are hearing some

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Speaker 1: conflicting reports, some Democrats saying that action should be taken

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Speaker 1: against President Trump for inciting these rioters. UM. Others like

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders apparently saying that he's going to be gone

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Speaker 1: in less than two weeks we should move on type

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Speaker 1: of attitude. You know, what is your view on this question?

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Speaker 1: I know it's you know, we're just a few hours

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Speaker 1: in and you've had quite a day, But do you

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Speaker 1: have any view on whether, in fact, Congress or we've

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Speaker 1: heard calls from Mike Penn's to invoke the any of

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Speaker 1: these things should happen and the president should be held responsible.

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Speaker 1: You know, I haven't had really just a moment uh

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Speaker 1: to breathe, let alone think about this. Um. The one

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Speaker 1: thing that I have been really keen on those what

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Speaker 1: I just mentioned, the importance of this moment, that we

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Speaker 1: stay here and that we fulfill literally what is prescribed

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Speaker 1: in the Constitution has happened every four years in seventy

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Speaker 1: nine from George Washington up until you know, ultimately now.

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Speaker 1: And that's my immediate, um, immediate thought. In terms of

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Speaker 1: of President Trump, Look, there's no question he incited this.

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Speaker 1: I watched UM the tail end of the rally he

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Speaker 1: had just off the White House grounds right before the

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Speaker 1: joint Session started. He purposely had that rally, by the way,

844
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Speaker 1: right before UM the one o'clock started the joint session.

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Speaker 1: He said three times he was encouraging UM. His diehard

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Speaker 1: supporters to march on the Capitol and then and he

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Speaker 1: also said that he was going to be out there,

848
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Speaker 1: but there's no way he would walk a block little

849
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Speaker 1: on sixteen. UM. So of course he incited them to

850
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Speaker 1: go do his dirty work for them. So he is

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Speaker 1: ultimately responsible for this. He absolutely incited it. There's no

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Speaker 1: question and about that. UM. But the good news is,

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Speaker 1: from my view, he will only be president for another

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Speaker 1: two weeks. I will say though this if I can

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Speaker 1: quickly add um, Jerry Ford might have been right as

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Speaker 1: it relates to Richard Nixon Nixon in the specific crimes

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Speaker 1: of Watergate, But I think there would be real damage

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Speaker 1: done to our justice system if Donald Trump all of

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Speaker 1: the things he's being investigated for it, if he is

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Speaker 1: able ultimately to walks dot free just because he happened

861
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Speaker 1: to be president for four years, I think that that

862
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Speaker 1: would be terrible for our justice system. So ultimately I

863
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Speaker 1: would like to see come January he has dealt with

864
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Speaker 1: the same way any other citizen who can I could

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Speaker 1: just can I just ask you Congress and Brendan Boyle,

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Speaker 1: and you've been so generous with your time and your

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Speaker 1: insights on a a really intense afternoon and now evening

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Speaker 1: in the nation's capital. But can I ask kid for

869
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on on putting in perspective what Republicans said

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Speaker 1: today and just and and the comments from editor Ted

871
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Speaker 1: Cruz to to Senator Josh Holly, to Vice President Mike

872
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Speaker 1: Pence who was taken to a secure facility after the

873
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Speaker 1: President tweeted a criticism of him and the mob rushed

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Speaker 1: into the into the capital. I mean that to me,

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Speaker 1: for a sitting vice president as well as a president

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Speaker 1: of the United States, is so openly exchange disagreements. I mean,

877
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Speaker 1: as you as an elected official representing and you you

878
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: know this, you have Republicans in your district. I mean,

879
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: what how put that into perspective as an elected official?

880
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: So first I want to start positive and say there

881
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: have been some Republican colleagues who have called bs on this.

882
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 1: I think Senator Mitt Romney's statement a few days ago

883
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Speaker 1: was was outstanding, and you you've seen the kind of

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Speaker 1: brief he's had to endure because of it. Um, Senator

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00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: to me from from my own state as well, today,

886
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: my colleague and good buddy Adam Kinsinger had been quite

887
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: clear calling this a coup that said, when you're talking

888
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: about Ted Cruise and Josh Holly. Um. And I hope

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00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: everyone reads the piece by Michael Gerson a few days

890
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: ago that really talks about these um very unprincipled men

891
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: of ambition, that now that Trump has written this playbook,

892
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: it's there for people like Cruise and Holly who have

893
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: acstlutly no scruples and no principles other than advancing their

894
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Speaker 1: own empty ambition. And it reminds me of one of

895
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: JFK's famous quotes that those who attempt to seek power

896
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: by riding the tiger will end up inside. But we're

897
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: all inside the tiger today because Ted Cruise and Josh

898
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: Holly and others want to keep on feeding the steady

899
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: diet of disinformation and lies to these people. And sadly

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Speaker 1: there are enough gullible thousands of people who will come

901
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: here because they actually believe it's the truth. Are there

902
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: more people who want to heal? I think there are

903
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: more people who want to heal. What concerns me is

904
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Speaker 1: that it has been very easy the last four years,

905
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Speaker 1: or a number of my Republican colleagues who know better.

906
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the Louis Gohmer's of the Steve Kings,

907
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: but there are actually a few in number. They are

908
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: far more of my Republican colleagues, no better, but who

909
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: have been willing to quietly go along with Trump is

910
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: um because they were either afraid of the Republican base

911
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: or they thought that it advanced their ambition. They need

912
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Speaker 1: to really sit down and reassess just what exactly the

913
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Speaker 1: ultimate culmination of unchecked craziness is and at least the

914
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Speaker 1: days like today. Michael Steele, come in here because you,

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Speaker 1: having worked for a former House Speaker John Bayner and

916
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: have been uh An and as well as Senator Romney,

917
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: have been so critical about many of the members in

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Speaker 1: your party, and I want to give you the opportunity

919
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Speaker 1: to ask a question to uh Congressman Brendan Boyle Well Congressman.

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Speaker 1: I guess my question is whether the violent and the

921
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Speaker 1: horror of this day may make it possible for people

922
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: to wake up to realize that the playing with matches

923
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: will get you burned and allow the sort of sensible

924
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Speaker 1: center in in both parties, in both houses to get

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Speaker 1: some things done under the new president. No. I hope

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Speaker 1: so I Michael, If if this doesn't do it then

927
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Speaker 1: clearly nothing will. Um. You know, it's ironic because in

928
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Speaker 1: writing my remarks, literally just about half hour before this

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Speaker 1: violence started, I have a line in there saying that

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Speaker 1: our democracy has now reached its breaking point. Um. And

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Speaker 1: so we're at a moment I never thought we would

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Speaker 1: reach in the United States. I mean, perhaps I was naive,

933
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Speaker 1: but just you know, growing up in an immigrant family,

934
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Speaker 1: I was preaching, America's the best country in the world.

935
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Speaker 1: This is the best country in the world. Of course,

936
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Speaker 1: We're going to be a democracy forever. And I just

937
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: never even questioned some of these things until the last

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Speaker 1: several years. So we do need people of conscience and

939
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Speaker 1: lack of a better term, just normal people. And I

940
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Speaker 1: hate to laugh, but I think you just said, but

941
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Speaker 1: we're all finking. I mean, I mean, my god, you know,

942
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: look what it has well, and I got to follow

943
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Speaker 1: up here, and I think Jeanie's Ao and Michael Steele

944
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Speaker 1: and and you know, just hitting its spot on with

945
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Speaker 1: Congressman Brendan Boyle, the Democrat from Pennsylvania who joins us now,

946
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Speaker 1: and just in the in the final few minutes that

947
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Speaker 1: I have left with you, I mean, and I struggle

948
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Speaker 1: how to ask this in a in a stoic neutral way,

949
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Speaker 1: but that's my job, and I want to ask in

950
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Speaker 1: this way, do you think that heading into today the

951
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Speaker 1: media elected officials and some and some elected officials, that

952
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Speaker 1: the conversation was framed around the politics of in the

953
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Speaker 1: mid terms and who's up and who's down and and

954
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Speaker 1: we almost and and it's like there was this chess

955
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Speaker 1: game being played. But it's a bigger moment than that. Yeah.

956
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Speaker 1: I mean, first, there's no question that a big undercurrent

957
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Speaker 1: of what led to today is that, let's face a

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Speaker 1: Josh Hawley and Heed crews are worth concerned about the

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Speaker 1: Iowa caucus four and they thought this would be their

960
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Speaker 1: first big opportunity. Um. And so if enough people can

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Speaker 1: kind of not go along with that script and say, well,

962
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Speaker 1: it's just politics where it's the normal game, No it isn't.

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00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: It has real life consequences. And literally, lad literally led

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Speaker 1: two shots being fired in or right outside both the

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Speaker 1: House and Senate chamber. Um. I mean I talked to

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Speaker 1: one long time House staff for a great woman who

967
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Speaker 1: has been here for three decades. Michael probably knows her. Um.

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00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: She talked about hearing the shot where a woman was

969
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Speaker 1: shot in the neck one of the rioters and that

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Speaker 1: was right outside on the you know where the speaker's

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Speaker 1: lobby is. Um, this isn't the game that there's a

972
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Speaker 1: real life consequences. Have to stop, you know, as as

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00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big sports fans. We have to stop,

974
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: you know, covering it. And it's you know what else

975
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: it isn't It isn't a social media thread. I mean,

976
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not a TikTok, you know. I mean

977
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: and and and this is we talk about, you know,

978
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: people like yourself, but you have staffers. There are people

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Speaker 1: who work on in the facilities of the campus of

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Speaker 1: the Capitol compound. This is an office, I mean. And

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Speaker 1: for anyone who's had to end endure the horror of

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Speaker 1: an attack on their workplace, that's what happened today. There's

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Speaker 1: no other way to describe it. Congressman, I know I

984
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: have to let you go, but I want to just

985
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: offer you the opportunity to give your closing thoughts before

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00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: you have to. I would take it. Have a long

987
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: night ahead of you at work. Yeah, look, I mean,

988
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: this is uh truly one of the darkest days in

989
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: in American history, perhaps the most violent at the US

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00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: capital since when when the bridge burned it. To put

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00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: this day in in a larger context, um, but I

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Speaker 1: also end on a hope. Will note we have had

993
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Speaker 1: other difficult points in our almost quarter millennium history of

994
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: the country. We have been able ultimately to come through it.

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00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: The constitution will prevail, not this gang of thugs, um,

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00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: and we will have ultimately a peaceful transition of power

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00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: into we alright. Congressman Brendan Boyle, thank you so much,

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00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: sir for your time. Stay safe. My best to you

999
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: and the staff as well as your your colleagues on

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00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle. That's Congressman Brendan Boyle, a

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Speaker 1: Democrat from Pennsylvania. Just to reset here, my name is

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Speaker 1: Kevin Cereli. I'm the chief Washington correspondent for uh UH

1003
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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television of Bloomberg Radio. We are following breaking news

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Speaker 1: tonight as the US Capital is declared secured after violent protests.

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Speaker 1: Again a breaking news red headline crossing the Bloomberg terminal.

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Speaker 1: The US Capital is declared secured after violence, and this

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Speaker 1: is being cited by the Associated Press. I'm joined with

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Speaker 1: me to help navigate through uh these the vents unfolding

1009
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Speaker 1: from Washington, d C. By our indefatigable panelist Jeanie's I

1010
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Speaker 1: Know who is an Iona College professor of political science

1011
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: and of course a Bloomberg contributor, as well as Michael Steele,

1012
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Speaker 1: a partner in Hamilton Place Strategies. And Michael is also

1013
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: previously worked for House Speaker John Bayner, and he uh

1014
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Speaker 1: is a former senior advisor for policy and communications for

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Speaker 1: Governor Jeb Bush's presidential campaign. Uh, Michael, I know that

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00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: you've been so generous with your time and I have

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Speaker 1: to let you go, So I want to offer you

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00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: just some reaction from what we gathered from uh Congressman

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00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: Brendan Boyle about the events unfolding. And it looks like

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Speaker 1: as we are about to enter into a curfew here

1021
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. That by his accounts, they're anticipating

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Speaker 1: to reconvene the Congress tonight. Yeah. I appreciated his fierce

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Speaker 1: dedication to getting back to work, to getting the job done.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I ultimately hope that he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to give that speech because there is no evidence of

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Speaker 1: widespread voter fraud in in Pennsylvania, certainly not of the

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Speaker 1: scale that would that would tip the election there. But

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Speaker 1: if he does, I'm sure he'll do a great job.

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Speaker 1: And I think the important thing for all of us

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Speaker 1: is to is to get see our institutions back at work,

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Speaker 1: to the Congress, getting the American people's business done and

1032
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: certifying this election so that we can have a peaceful

1033
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: transfer of power into each time. Michael Steele, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'll catch up with you later. Michael Steele of Hamilton

1035
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Speaker 1: Place Strategies, You just reset for me. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: looks like the situation has calmed at least for now,

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Speaker 1: hopefully for you know, the the for the permanent on

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Speaker 1: the nation's capital is the AP is reporting that the

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Speaker 1: capital is secure. Yeah, which is, you know, great news

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Speaker 1: what we've all been waiting for four hours. And I

1041
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: think it was such so fascinating to hear from Representative

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01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: Boil firsthand what they went through. And I thought that

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01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head when you said

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Speaker 1: this is an example of a workplay violence, and anybody

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01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: who has been subject to that, whether it's in your

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Speaker 1: school or workplace, it is just you know, it is

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Speaker 1: so so stunningly emotional and difficult to fathom that this

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Speaker 1: is happening at anybody's workplace, let alone the capital. So

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Speaker 1: you know, so happy to hear that he and his

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Speaker 1: staff are okay and the capital is secure at this point.

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Speaker 1: But what a day, and of course coming on the

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Speaker 1: day when they are trying to count and certify the

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Speaker 1: election of the next president of the United States that

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Speaker 1: we all just lived through. And of course, while this

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Speaker 1: is all happening, as you mentioned, we had the final

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Speaker 1: uh the final decision on the last election, which was

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Speaker 1: the runoff in Georgia and John also off winning that seat,

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Speaker 1: giving Democrats of the Senate. So just an eventful day

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Speaker 1: all around, not to mention the fact that the president

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Speaker 1: Vice President Biden, President elect Biden named an attorney general.

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Speaker 1: So it's been quite a day. But you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just fascinating to hear firsthand what people have been going

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Speaker 1: through and and and just to to add to that conversation,

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Speaker 1: as we await to reset at the top of the hour,

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Speaker 1: Genie's they know it's I go back to this conversation

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Speaker 1: I had with a source, I want to say, two

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Speaker 1: weekends ago, and you know, I was checking in with

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Speaker 1: this source and it's a Republican staffer, younger staffer. And

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Speaker 1: for so many of these kids, I mean, they come

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Speaker 1: to Washington and they go and you're you're in the

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Speaker 1: halls of history. There's really no other way to describe it.

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Speaker 1: So many of them are drawn to the nation's capital

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Speaker 1: after college and whatnot to really their political junkies. And

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Speaker 1: I asked this source, I said, you know, what's what's

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Speaker 1: going on? You know how and this I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 1: Just said to me, I just want this to stop.

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Speaker 1: I just want this to stop. I want everything to

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Speaker 1: calm down. Uh. This is not what I signed up for.

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Speaker 1: And I cannot stop reflecting on that particular comment that

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Speaker 1: that that was made to me by a young Republican staffer.

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Speaker 1: Genies they know, because it's it's bigger than the conversation

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Speaker 1: that's playing out on cable news. And I think we

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Speaker 1: in the media, to be critical, have missed the mark

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Speaker 1: on this, uh, to say the least. Yeah, And it's

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Speaker 1: so interesting you say that because I think we have

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Speaker 1: all been exhausted. I mean, we haven't even talked about

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Speaker 1: the fact we're in the midst of a pandemic with

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Speaker 1: you know, the number of people who have been infected

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Speaker 1: in this country around the world and who have died.

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Speaker 1: We're in the midst of that. They're in the attempting

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Speaker 1: to have this vaccine rollout. People are suffering from that

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Speaker 1: health wise, economically, you know, the exhaustion, and as you

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Speaker 1: just describe, a young staff are saying, this isn't what

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Speaker 1: they signed up for. Um, this has been utterly you know.

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Speaker 1: I tell you when I talked to young people, I

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Speaker 1: talked to students all the time, I think they think

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Speaker 1: that this is what it's always like. And I say, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be boring. It's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: policy where you're reading laws and you're in history books.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but you know what, it's not what we

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Speaker 1: signed up for. But this is the moment that we

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Speaker 1: must meet, especially if we want to move forward. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to said here. My name is Kevin CEREALI I'm

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Speaker 1: the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: The Associated Press reports tonight that the capital has been secured.

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Speaker 1: This as Washington d C enters into a curfew. Just

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Speaker 1: one moment ago at six pm Eastern time, Washington d

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Speaker 1: C Mayor Muriel Bowser now imposing that curfew after the

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Speaker 1: US capital again is declared secured following an afternoon of

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Speaker 1: violent protests. It all started after President Trump had urged

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Speaker 1: his supporters to march to the US Capital while Vice

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Speaker 1: President Mike Pence began convening a joint session of Congress,

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Speaker 1: as he is constitutionally required to do so to certify

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Speaker 1: the results of the election. Then, as the violence erupted

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Speaker 1: and a mob swarmed inside of the US Capital, at

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Speaker 1: times demolishing windows and artwork, and one person reportedly being shot,

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Speaker 1: then the President issued the following statement on video via

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Speaker 1: his social media Twitter account. I know your pain. I

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Speaker 1: know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen

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Speaker 1: from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it,

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Speaker 1: especially the other side. But you have to go home now.

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Speaker 1: We have to have peace. We have to have law

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Speaker 1: and order. We have to respect our great people in

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Speaker 1: law and order. We don't want anybody hurt. It's a

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Speaker 1: very tough period of time. There's never been a time

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Speaker 1: like this where such a thing happened where they could

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Speaker 1: take it away from all of us, from me, from you,

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Speaker 1: from our country. This was a fraudulent election. But we

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Speaker 1: can't play into the hands of these people. We have

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Speaker 1: to have peace. So go home. We love you. You're

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Speaker 1: very special. You've seen what happens. You see the way

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Speaker 1: others are treated that are so bad and so evil.

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Speaker 1: I know how you feel. But go home and go

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Speaker 1: home in peace. President elect Joe Biden also spoke following

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Speaker 1: the events unfolding in Washington, d C. We've got sound

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Speaker 1: on that from his speech in Wilmington, Delaware. Let may

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Speaker 1: be very clear, the scenes of chaos of the Capitol

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Speaker 1: do not reflect a true America, do not represent who

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Speaker 1: we are. What we're saying for a small number of

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Speaker 1: extremists dedicated to lawlessness. This is not the scent. It's disorder.

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Speaker 1: It's chaos, borders on sedition, and it must end. Now.

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Speaker 1: We've got every angle covered throughout the nation's capital. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined in New York. I'm in Washington, D SEE. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by my colleague in New York, Bloomberg contributor jennie's

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Speaker 1: a Know, who is a political science professor at I

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Speaker 1: own a college, and my colleagues Nancy Cooke of Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: White House Reporter, as well as Jack Fitzpatrick of Bloomberg Government.

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Speaker 1: Nancy I'll begin with you, what's the reaction been from

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Speaker 1: within the president's inner circle tonight. Well, so what has

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Speaker 1: been happening today is, basically, the President was very upset

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Speaker 1: by Vice President Pence's uh statement that he was going

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Speaker 1: to follow the constitution, he was not going to try

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Speaker 1: to overturn or question the results of the election. And

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Speaker 1: so the President has been both in the Oval office

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Speaker 1: in the White House dining room for much of the

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Speaker 1: afternoon watching all of this unfold on TV. And he

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Speaker 1: has also been fielding calls and and looking at tweets

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Speaker 1: from supporters, former staffers. Even Boris Johnson Um of the UK,

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Speaker 1: you know, called into question what was happening. And so

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Speaker 1: there has been a ton of outreach to the presidents,

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Speaker 1: both publicly and privately, of people saying to him, look,

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Speaker 1: this is not right. You need to come out and

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Speaker 1: condemn this. You need to come out and do a statement.

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Speaker 1: What he did instead was he put a video out

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Speaker 1: and the first portion of it was really him calling

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Speaker 1: the results of the election fraudulent, which we know is

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Speaker 1: not true, sort of continuing to call that and then

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Speaker 1: basically saying, you know, we should leave the capital and

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Speaker 1: be safe. And so a lot of people were reaching

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Speaker 1: out to him publicly and privately and saying, you need

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Speaker 1: to de escalate this, you need to condemn this. And

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were unsatisfied with his response.

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Speaker 1: Jack Fitzpatrick, who has been following the events on Capitol

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Speaker 1: Hill for US, I mean, as that was unfolding a

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania avenue, it was remarkable to see just Republicans come

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Speaker 1: out and publicly urged the president to choose a different

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Speaker 1: course of action. What do we know for where things

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Speaker 1: stand from that point, Well, yeah, there were a number

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Speaker 1: of Republicans who pushed back against the president, although I

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Speaker 1: would point out we still haven't really gotten pushedback from

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Speaker 1: the members who are leading the objections to the certification

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Speaker 1: of the election. There have been a couple of statements, uh,

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Speaker 1: saying you shouldn't go against law enforcement, you shouldn't be violent. Um.

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Speaker 1: But the thing I'm looking for we haven't gotten an

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Speaker 1: answer yet at this point is is anyone like Josh

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Speaker 1: Holly or Ted Cruz or anyone who was leading the

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Speaker 1: objections going to change their mind or change their tone? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And and there still does seem to be a significant

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Speaker 1: chunk of the Republican Party in Congress that hasn't entirely

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Speaker 1: changed their mind on what's been happening today. It's it's

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Speaker 1: really remarkable, Professor Jeanie Zeno or Bloomberg UH contributor, who's

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Speaker 1: been with me for for the last hours. We head

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Speaker 1: into our second hour here just to hear the Republicans

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Speaker 1: come out and really in real time publicly air their

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Speaker 1: frustration with the President of the United States. YEA, so

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Speaker 1: many Republicans who have previously, many of them, not all,

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Speaker 1: who have previously, you know, sort of turned the other cheek,

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Speaker 1: look the other way at some of what the President

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Speaker 1: has said and done over the last four years. Today seemed,

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Speaker 1: at least in my mind it's still early, seemed to

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Speaker 1: be something of a turning point where people said, enough

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Speaker 1: is enough. We cannot go, you know, continue. One of

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Speaker 1: those people being Mike Pence, as we've been talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote defied the president by doing what

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Speaker 1: he had to do constitutionally. But there have been others

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Speaker 1: as well who have said, you know that we cannot

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Speaker 1: as a party continue, and I think notably Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 1: obviously prior to the storming of the Capital, who came

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Speaker 1: down and said publicly in very strong language, and I

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Speaker 1: think it was a really important moment, said we must

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Speaker 1: accept the results of this election and move on. Now.

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Speaker 1: I happen to think it was a little bit later

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Speaker 1: than it maybe should or could have been, although to

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Speaker 1: his credit, he said it in less guarded terms previously. Um,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I think it's an important moment to

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Speaker 1: say that you have leading Republicans standing up to the president. UM.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a little too late, But Nancy, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask you something that I've been hearing. We have heard

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Speaker 1: that it was Vice President Pence and not President Trump,

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Speaker 1: who approved the order for the National Guard to be

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Speaker 1: deployed to the capital. Is that what you're hearing? And

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Speaker 1: if so, and I don't know the veracity of this,

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Speaker 1: so I don't want to speak out of turn, But

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Speaker 1: if so, why why would that be? That's not anything

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Speaker 1: that that I have heard. Um, I think that would

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Speaker 1: be fascinating if that was true. Um, what I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: is that Vice President Pence has sent the afternoon you know,

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Speaker 1: as you know, he was pulled off the Senate floor

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Speaker 1: in a super dramatic fashion, followed quickly by all of

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Speaker 1: the senators. He has been with his chief of staff,

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Speaker 1: Mark short Um just what a tiny group of staffers,

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Speaker 1: and he has gone to Camp David, basically to a

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Speaker 1: secure location. And so I I do not have insight

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Speaker 1: into whether or not he was the one that ordered that,

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Speaker 1: but I definitely feel like um, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Pence team was feeling good about some of the private

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Speaker 1: react action that they were getting from members who appreciated

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Speaker 1: the way that Penn said he would follow the Constitution

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Speaker 1: and basically just provide over the ceremony and not get involved.

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Speaker 1: But that quickly changed when the protesters or the mob

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Speaker 1: really started to go into the capital and he was

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Speaker 1: swept away. And I think the whole tone of the

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Speaker 1: conversation and obviously the proceedings just completely hals it. And

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Speaker 1: I just want to jump in here. We've got breaking

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Speaker 1: news red headline crossing the Bloomberg terminal as we speak.

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Speaker 1: The House is set to continue the electoral certification process tonight.

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Speaker 1: This according to some top Democrats on Capitol Hill. Again,

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Speaker 1: top Democrats are saying that they fully plan to continue

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Speaker 1: the electoral certification process tonight. We heard in the last

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Speaker 1: hour from Congressman Brendan Boyle that he wanted to do that,

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Speaker 1: and he believes that the best way to move forward

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Speaker 1: would be for Congress to to reconvene. We've got sound

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Speaker 1: on what Nancy as well as Jeanie are talking about

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Speaker 1: from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Jack fitzpatrick. I want

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Speaker 1: to play for you what the Senate Majority Leader had

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Speaker 1: to say on the Senate floor earlier, and then I

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Speaker 1: want to glean whether or not other Republicans are coming

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Speaker 1: around to this this sentiment. Here here he is, here's

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Speaker 1: Leader McConnell. I will vote to respect the people's decision

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Speaker 1: and defend our system of government as we know it

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Speaker 1: is that the consensus amongst the Republican Party, Jack Fitzpatrick,

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Speaker 1: that is not the consensus. I guess we'll find out

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Speaker 1: soon if anybody has changed their mind after the chaos

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Speaker 1: of today. Um, but it seems that the division in

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party had already kind of sorted itself out.

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Speaker 1: McConnell had said over and over again that this a

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Speaker 1: series of objections is going to go nowhere. Uh, the

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Speaker 1: Josh Holly's and Ted Cruizes and those kinds of members,

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Speaker 1: we haven't heard them change their mind. So as of now,

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Speaker 1: it's a very very divided party. That makes you wonder

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Speaker 1: about the future of the party. Who they're without getting

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Speaker 1: ahead of myself, who their nominees will be in the future,

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Speaker 1: what kind of candidates will be part of their caucus

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Speaker 1: in the future, because that is a very very significant difference.

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Speaker 1: So it's not, uh, they're not all in on that

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Speaker 1: kind of statement, it's it's just more headlines coming in

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Speaker 1: here that I want to get everybody up to speed again,

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Speaker 1: headlines crossing the Bloomberg Terminal House to continue electoral certification tonight.

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Speaker 1: A woman was shot during Capital protests has died. This

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Speaker 1: according to the d C Police. Again, the woman who

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Speaker 1: was shot during the Capitol protest has lost her life.

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Speaker 1: The DC Police are saying the Senate Republican majority leader

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell is urging senators to return this evening. Again,

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Speaker 1: said a majority leader, Mitch McConnell is urging senators to

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Speaker 1: return tonight in order to continue that process. Genie, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I was so fascinated to hear what Jack had

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Speaker 1: just said, because this had been one of the questions

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Speaker 1: that we were asking and is you know, is I

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Speaker 1: was asking it really after Republicans seemed can now we

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Speaker 1: know that they've lost the Senate in the Georgia runoff,

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Speaker 1: but particularly after these unfortunate events today, would we see

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Speaker 1: any change from some of these House members and Senate

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Speaker 1: members from following the president down this really perilous path

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Speaker 1: of continuing to challenge these elections or do you think

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Speaker 1: we're going to see something of a turnaround? And I

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Speaker 1: think Jackie were just saying that there's been no sign

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Speaker 1: yet amongst any of these people that there would be

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Speaker 1: a turnaround, which I'm stunned to hear. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't predict if they will not change their mind,

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Speaker 1: But you know, this has been going on for a

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Speaker 1: number of hours now, uh, and it is really surprising

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Speaker 1: to me as well, after violence committed against the Capitol police,

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Speaker 1: people storming the capital, that we still haven't heard any

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Speaker 1: statement from the objectors indicating they've substantly substantively changed their stance.

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Speaker 1: So maybe someone will, and they've got a little time

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Speaker 1: before they're coming back, but again, we haven't heard of

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Speaker 1: a real change of heart from anybody. Tonight, I want

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Speaker 1: to bring you some breaking news from Senator Mitt Romney's camp. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Cook, a Bloomberg White House reporter, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: read for you this statement from the Utah Republican and

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Speaker 1: former standard bearer of the Republican Party. Quote, we gather

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Speaker 1: today due to a selfish man's injured pride and the

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Speaker 1: outrage of his supporters, whom he has deliberately misinformed for

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Speaker 1: the past two months and stirred to action this very morning.

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Speaker 1: What happened here today was an insurrection incited by the

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Speaker 1: President of the United States. Those who choose to continue

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Speaker 1: to support his dangerous gambit by objecting to the results

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Speaker 1: of a legitimate democratic election will forever be seen as

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Speaker 1: being complicit in an unprecedented attack against our democracy. They

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Speaker 1: will be remembered for their role in this shameful episode

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Speaker 1: in American history. That will be their legacy. It is

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Speaker 1: a lengthy statement. That's the first paragraph. Nancy Cook, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that what is so interesting is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: Romney was really in so much of the minority during

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Speaker 1: the Trump presidency, and now that the Democrats are going

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Speaker 1: to control the Senate, I think Romney and a bunch

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Speaker 1: of these um more centrist Republicans are really going to

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Speaker 1: be in much more of the driver's seat. But I

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Speaker 1: think that what he is calling out is just the

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Speaker 1: fact that history may not look kindly on these Republicans

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Speaker 1: who um like Cruise or Senator Holly, who went along

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Speaker 1: with Trump so much that it led to this particular

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Speaker 1: moment um. And you have to remember Republicans just for

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Speaker 1: years have really appeased the President, have gone along with

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Speaker 1: what he said, um, you know, voted not to impeach him,

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Speaker 1: like but not just that, a bunch of other things

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Speaker 1: on policy impeachment have really totally towed the party line.

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Speaker 1: And I think that there will be, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: definitely an examination of what happened to day and who

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Speaker 1: was complicent in in that along with the President and

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Speaker 1: who stood up with him, and the number of Republicans

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Speaker 1: who stood up to him has been quite small, and

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Speaker 1: Romney is part of that. I want to continue with

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Speaker 1: this statement, Jack Fitzpatrick, and I know you've got to

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Speaker 1: get back to work, so I'll just ask you one

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Speaker 1: more question and thank you Jack for your excellent reporting

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Speaker 1: throughout this evening. UH. Senator Senator Romney goes on in

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Speaker 1: this lengthy statement to say, quote, what is the weight

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Speaker 1: of personal acclaim compared to the weight of conscience? Leader

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Speaker 1: McConnell said that the vote today is the most important

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Speaker 1: in his forty plus years of public service. That is

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Speaker 1: not because this vote reveals something about the election. It

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Speaker 1: is because this vote reveals something about ourselves, Jack Fitzpatrick,

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Speaker 1: I mean some soul searching going on very publicly within

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party tonight. Yeah. And the question when you

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Speaker 1: hear those comments is similar to the question raised when

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Speaker 1: Romney spoke about his support for impeachment of the president,

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Speaker 1: which is is this going to be his party or

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Speaker 1: or his win of the party going forward, or is

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Speaker 1: it going to be more the Ted Cruise Josh Holly

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Speaker 1: wing of the party. The divide in the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: looks to be so severe and so steep, and that

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Speaker 1: happens sometimes when you lose a presidential election. But the

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Speaker 1: question is, is the one of the major parties in

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Speaker 1: American politics going to do something constructive to try to

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Speaker 1: rebuild or are they going to tie themselves to the

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Speaker 1: president without any ends to that, Jack Fitzpatrick, a steady

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Speaker 1: voice in a reporter's tone. My gratitude Jack, for you're

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Speaker 1: joining us and for your excellent reporting and for your

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Speaker 1: coverage with Bloomberg Government. Let's reset here. I'm Kevin CURRELLI,

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Speaker 1: chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: The Associated Press reports that the US Capitol building has

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Speaker 1: been secured, this as the nation's capital has entered into

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Speaker 1: a lockdown at six pm Eastern this evening, under the

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Speaker 1: instruction by the city's mayor Uriel Bowser. Meanwhile, multiple reports

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Speaker 1: now that the woman who was shot at the US

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Speaker 1: Capitol has passed away. I'm citing NBC News on that headline.

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Speaker 1: I want to bring play for you now some sound

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Speaker 1: on tape that we have from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer,

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Speaker 1: who spoke on this floor of the Senate while the

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Speaker 1: convening of the Senate certification process on the election had unfolded.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen. A number of our colleagues have organized

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Speaker 1: an effort to undermine and object to that free and

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Speaker 1: fair election. They're in the minority, they will lose. They

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Speaker 1: know that they have no evidence of widespread voter fraud

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Speaker 1: upon which to base their objections. That's because there is none.

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Speaker 1: There is none. I'm joined by Bloomberg political contributor geniez Know,

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Speaker 1: a professor of political science at i own A College.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Cook, a Bloomberg White House reporter and our Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: bureau chief in Washington, d See Craig Gordon Craig, A

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Speaker 1: busy day for your team, but your reaction as now

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Speaker 1: the US Capital is declared secured following the mob protests. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we are reporters that are on the hill.

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Speaker 1: Billy House and Ericqasson just reporting that m for Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: terminal customers the UM and there's a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: Jim Cliver and the powerful Democrat in you know, in

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Speaker 1: the House, talking about bringing everyone back to kind of

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Speaker 1: continue this process of certifying the Electoral College votes. It's

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Speaker 1: a little hard to picture how quickly that could happen. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: there's still even though the Capitol building itself as secure,

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Speaker 1: there still seems to be a lot of protesters kind

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Speaker 1: of milling around outside. I'm not sure they're gonna bring

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Speaker 1: five and thirty five you know, members of Congress back

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Speaker 1: into that UM. Mike Pence, who was obviously sort of

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Speaker 1: sort of spirited out of the chamber quickly at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the protest, I'm not really sure what his um,

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Speaker 1: if he's coming back or planning to come back tonight,

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Speaker 1: but I do think there's a bit of a mood

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Speaker 1: developing among some of the members of the House, members

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Speaker 1: of the Senate that they really have to come back.

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Speaker 1: They can't, they cannot, you know, leave end this day

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Speaker 1: being driven out of the House Chamber, out of the

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Speaker 1: Senate chamber by this protest, and they need to find

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Speaker 1: a way to come back and show so the nation,

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Speaker 1: show the world that you know that there won't be cowed. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think the question is will the protests of the

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Speaker 1: certification of Biden continue? Um, you know, Josh Holly, ted Crew,

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Speaker 1: some of these folks are giving pretty fiery speeches or

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Speaker 1: preparing to get fiery speeches saying that you know, the

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Speaker 1: election was rigged. Um. I'm not sure that the message

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Speaker 1: is going to play particularly well in the US capital tonight,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Cooke, IM mean, as we hear Craig Gordon brings

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Speaker 1: us that perspective of of where the situation goes from

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Speaker 1: now based upon your reporting, does the president understand the

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Speaker 1: shift that has occurred publicly as the nation has been

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Speaker 1: gripped by the images coming out of Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: But the President has been all day, all afternoon watching

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Speaker 1: this unfold on TV and what has been most striking

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Speaker 1: to me is the number of his close allies who

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Speaker 1: have tried to reach him publicly over Twitter to tell

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Speaker 1: him that what happened today was not okay. And that

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Speaker 1: included Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, that included the former New

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Speaker 1: Jersey Governor Chris Christie. Nick Mulvaney, his former chief of staff,

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Speaker 1: was begging Trump on Twitter to go to the Oval

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Speaker 1: Office or make some sort of statement and say something.

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Speaker 1: And so I do think that there has been a

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Speaker 1: tremendous pushback towards him today, and what I will be

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Speaker 1: watching is to see how alone he is in the

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Speaker 1: coming days. And I don't just mean like physically alone,

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Speaker 1: like there wasn't really a lot of people at the

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Speaker 1: White House today. I mean, like, you know, does Pence

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Speaker 1: still support him? It seems like his allies are jumping ship?

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Speaker 1: What do Republican lawmakers do? What do business groups do?

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Speaker 1: What do downtown mobbyists do? It does seem like there's

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Speaker 1: a real movement towards moving away from him, and a

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Speaker 1: sense of this behavior today was unacceptable and the President

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Speaker 1: endorsed it. And so I will be interested to see

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Speaker 1: how businesses and lawmakers and even his own age and allies,

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Speaker 1: the top ones, how they react in the coming days. Yet, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you just said exactly what I was wondering. We were

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Speaker 1: hearing since you know, the election, essentially that he had

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Speaker 1: been increasingly isolated in something I don't know if the

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Speaker 1: best described as a bubble surrounded by Rudy Giuliani and

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Speaker 1: a few other people who were encouraging this this you know,

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Speaker 1: challenge the elections sort of mantra. And it sounds to

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Speaker 1: me like you're saying that that that is likely to

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Speaker 1: even intensify, And I wonder is there a sense that

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Speaker 1: that that would make this situation all the much more

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Speaker 1: dangerous with the president having in that isolated Well, I

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Speaker 1: think the president has been honestly isolated for you know,

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Speaker 1: weeks now, and he's surrounded and listening to a very

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Speaker 1: small circle of people. You mentioned Rudy Giuliani, UM, the

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Speaker 1: lawyer Sidney Powell, Mike Flynn, his former national security advisor.

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Speaker 1: These are the people Peter Navarro his kind of trade talk.

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Speaker 1: These are the people who are around him now, who

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Speaker 1: he is speaking to, who are encouraging this UM, the

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Speaker 1: Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows, sort of as both ways

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Speaker 1: sometimes he has encourages this. Sometimes he tries to be

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Speaker 1: more measured. Um, but I think that what we'll see

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Speaker 1: is it'll just continue to be that small group. And

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Speaker 1: I think that people are starting to see their own

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Speaker 1: political reputations be damaged by what the president is doing.

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Speaker 1: And that is when you'll see people move away. It's

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Speaker 1: it's their own sense of self preservation and self interest

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Speaker 1: that is going to win the day. Craig Gordon. Uh,

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Speaker 1: in terms of the dizzying headlines that have come out

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, will today mark a

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Speaker 1: significant change? Oh? Yeah? I mean, I think there's a

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Speaker 1: case that we made that Donald Trump's presidency actually ended today. Um.

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Speaker 1: I know, there's fourteen days left until Joe Biden puts

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Speaker 1: the sand in the Bible and you know it becomes

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Speaker 1: the president of New June, but you really, Um, I

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Speaker 1: couldn't agree more with what Nancy and Jennie are saying.

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Speaker 1: That we were preparing even before the protest started. We

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Speaker 1: were preparing to write a story taking over the remarkable

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Speaker 1: turn of events where both Mitch McConnell the Republican in

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Speaker 1: the Senate and Mike Pence is ever loyal Vice president

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Speaker 1: essentially abandoned him even before the protests, where Prince came

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Speaker 1: out right before the hearing started and said, I cannot

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Speaker 1: overturn these results of this election. I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: no Donald Trump wants me to, but I simply can't

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Speaker 1: do that, and then heard Mr McConnell. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've covered Washington for twenty years now. I don't pretend

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Speaker 1: to know m mconnell personally, but I think of him

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Speaker 1: as a as a pretty hard nosed politician. Boy, go

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Speaker 1: back and listen to the speech he gave again shortly

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Speaker 1: after the hearing started today, before the protests started. Impassioned

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Speaker 1: would be a word I would use, you know, saying

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Speaker 1: that you know, we are literally we could put this

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Speaker 1: country into a death spiral, which could be the end

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Speaker 1: of the Republic if we just willy nearly overturned the

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01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: results of an election. It was powerful stuff from a

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01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 1: person who you know, you don't think of as a

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01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: soaring order um and you think of as a pretty

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01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: hard nosed partisan himself. But these two men who had

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01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: been by Trump's side, Pence very loyally McConnell a little more,

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01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, marriage of convenience to get to get some

1508
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: federal judges and get some things done in the Senate

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01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: essentially walked away from Donald Trump. And that was before

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01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: the protests. I am seriously questioning, like, who is left

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01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: with him? You know, we've mentioned Giuliani, Sidney Pol, Michael Flynn,

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01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: these are these are don Donal also used to call

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Speaker 1: the Iraqi you know, insurgency, know, dead enders. These are

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Speaker 1: kind of dead enders. I mean, these are the last

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Speaker 1: folks that are going to be around on the last day.

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Speaker 1: But boy, you know, when you hear McK mulvaney, when

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01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 1: you hear people like Carlo when you hear some of

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Speaker 1: these people Chris Christie that are already peeling away, Boy,

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01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't know who's left with Trump. And I seriously

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Speaker 1: like he's obviously still the president per the Constitution for

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01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: the next fourteen days. But boy, I'm just not really

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01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 1: sure how he can go on in a sentence and

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01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: how the country can go on viewing him as their

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01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: leader after his actions today. And Craig on that point,

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01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: because it's such an important point we're hearing, and you

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01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: just discussed the fact that they may try to come

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01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: back into session tonight. If not, I'm sure tomorrow or

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01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: as soon as it's safe. What do you expect these

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01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 1: Republicans who were taking the floor in this you know,

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01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: sort of fiery language, if you will, the Josh Foley's,

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01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 1: the Ted Cruz is, you know, the members of the

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Speaker 1: House who are objection objecting rather, can they continue with

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01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: that rhetoric going forward? I mean, the reports now that

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Speaker 1: this woman who was shot has now unfortunately died, and

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01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: the pictures that we're seeing alone, can they continue with that?

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Speaker 1: Do you suspect I can't imagine that they could. I

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01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: could imagine that Ted Cruz, who is a pretty good

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01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: order whatever you think of his politics, might come out

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01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: and say, look, we still have serious questions about the election. Um,

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Speaker 1: we still raise those concerns and objections, but tonight is

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01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: not the night for that debate. You know, that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a debate for another day. Let's move forward and

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01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, and and certify this results of these results

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01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: of the country can move on. So I don't think

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01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 1: they're going to completely abandon the whole idea. But no,

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01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: the idea that there would be three to four hours

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01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: of debate on three different states and the House and

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01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: the Senate impossible for me to picture. And I think

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Speaker 1: any political strategist who gave that advice to a sitting

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01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: senator should be sued for malpractice. And I gotta ask

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01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: you this question, and again I want to remain neutral

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01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: and delicate and how I phrase it, but have you

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01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: ever in your career in Washington, d C. Witnessed a

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01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 1: sitting president so openly spar with his own vice president publicly? No,

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01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,560
Speaker 1: you can't, really, there's no there's no historical precedent for that,

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01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 1: and yet it is. It is in some ways the

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01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: least surprising thing that happened on a very surprising day.

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01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: We knew, we had a sense I should say that

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Speaker 1: Trump that Pence would ultimately have to come out and

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01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: publicly say, look, I cannot overturn this selection. I have

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Speaker 1: no power to do that. The constitution gives me no

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01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: authority to do that. I simply can't do it, no

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Speaker 1: matter how much Donald Trumps wants me to. And what

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Speaker 1: was going to happen after that was that Donald Trump

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01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: was going to turn on him. Now, I'm not a

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01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 1: mind reader and I don't have a crystal ball, but

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01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 1: the pattern of Donald Trump his most loyal people, and

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01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: we could name all the names starting with Jeff Sessions.

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01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: You one of the first people that ever supported Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump when he was just a real estate developer. Coming

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01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: down the escalator turned on Sessions. We all know the

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01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 1: list of names. Um there, we knew. We were sure

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01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: in our bones that if Pence came out and said

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Speaker 1: I can't overturn the election, that Trump would turn on him.

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01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: And again, a little bit lost to history. In the

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01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: unbelievable day we've seen in full, Trump did tweet out

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01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: a very you know, very sharp repudiation of Mike Pence,

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Speaker 1: who has been I mean loyal. I don't know, I

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01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 1: don't know what's a bigger word than loyal that we

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01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 1: were talking about in the last hour. I mean, he

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01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: was so loyal, so loyal, but right, so so right,

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Speaker 1: And and even in that final moment, Donald Trump turned

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01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 1: on him like he turns on sort of everybody. Um.

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Speaker 1: And at this time, I'm making a judgment Donald Trump's character.

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01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, having watched the guy apperate for

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Speaker 1: five years, that's his that's his m O. And um,

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Speaker 1: even for someone like Pence who has been by his side. Uh,

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01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: we were we were pretty sure that's probably where it

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01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. What was gonna happen, and that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what did happen. I want to read for you comments

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Speaker 1: from the Secretary of State that we're posted via his

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01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,799
Speaker 1: social media account on Twitter. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

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01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: twelve minutes ago, writing quote, the storming of the US

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01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 1: capital today is unacceptable. Lawlessness and rioting here or around

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01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: the world is always unacceptable. I have traveled to many

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Speaker 1: countries and always support the right of every human being

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01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: to protest peacefully for their beliefs and their causes. But

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01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 1: violence putting at risk the safety of others, including those

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01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: tasked with providing security for us, all is intolerable, both

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Speaker 1: at home and abroad. Let us swiftly bring justice to

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01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: the criminals who engaged in this riot, in this rioting.

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01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 1: America is better than what we saw today at a

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01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 1: place where I served as a member of Congress and

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01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: saw firsthand democracy at its best. No mention Craig of

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01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: President Trump in the Secretary's comments right, and again, if

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01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: you made a list of people loyal to Donald Trump,

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01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,719
Speaker 1: Pences number one and Mike Pompeos number two. And again

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01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: we've already heard Pence, who had to kind of step

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01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 1: away from Trump at the beginning of this hearing, Lord

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01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:05,759
Speaker 1: only knows what happens now. And there's Mike Pompeo, and again,

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01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 1: let's remember what's going on here. There's going to be

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01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: radio and Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence are both probably

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01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna be on the ticket if Donald Trump himself isn't.

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01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 1: And you know, so a lot of people are kind

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01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 1: of positioning themselves for a while. The success, the root

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01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: of success in the Republican Party was to hug Donald

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01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: Trump close. That's why Josh Holly and Ted cruise around

1618
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: the floor of the Senate this morning or this afternoon

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01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 1: saying we should overturn the results of the election. That

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01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 1: all changed today. That all changed today, and we, you know,

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01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:35,839
Speaker 1: we still have to you know, the chapters are unwritten

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01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: about what happens to Trump after this. Where does it

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01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 1: go from here? But when Mike Pompeo doesn't even deign

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01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 1: to mention the President's name and his statement, I think

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01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 1: that tells you even in Mike Pompeo, even Mike Pence

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01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: is going to start to step away from Trump ever

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01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 1: more aggressively going forward. Creg Gordon, I know you gotta

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01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 1: get back to work. Thank you, boss for making time

1629
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: for us. That's Craig Gordon, Washington bureau chief for Bloomberg News.

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01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,040
Speaker 1: Some headlines crossing the Bloomberg terminal. We're gonna take you

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01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: right to Capitol Hill, where our Billy House is standing by.

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01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 1: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi says the House is

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01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: set to proceed tonight once the Capitol is cleared. Pelosi

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01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: went on to say that members staff should remain at

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01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 1: the Capitol until notified again. Other headlines crossing just within

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01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: the last half hour. Leader McConnell has issued a similar statement,

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01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Billy House. They are fully planning, aren't they to reconvene

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01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:29,640
Speaker 1: this certification process this evening? They are, and uh some

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01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,719
Speaker 1: are likening it to returning to the Capitol after nine eleven.

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01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: I don't know it's quite that, but yeah, they've got

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01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 1: their mindset that they're gonna show America they are going

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01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 1: to do their business and uh not be interrupted. Billy House,

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01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: you've been reporting on this from the Capitol all afternoon.

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01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: Just put us tell us about your day to day

1645
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:50,879
Speaker 1: at work. Well, initially we had reports of bomb scares

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01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 1: or bomb reports over at near a couple of house

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01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: buildings as the crowds began to grow outside. Eventually we

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01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 1: started to hear that some of the offences had been

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01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,759
Speaker 1: breached and that you look outside, and they were suddenly

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01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,560
Speaker 1: outside the rotunda. When I went to the rotunda and

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01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 1: suddenly armed officers, we've got riot gear started appearing. We

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01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: were all shut it into the at least on the

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01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 1: house side, into the House chamber. Selling the doors were slammed,

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01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 1: banging began. Members were told to get their gas masks.

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01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: The guests had been uh, guess had been uh might

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01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 1: be circulating in the hallways. Uh. And then the crash.

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01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: The glass around some of the doors was smashed. Uh.

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01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Members began to be evacuated out. Some of them were

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01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: upstairs and we're calling down the officers to come and

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01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,560
Speaker 1: get them. They did. It was quite a scene, but

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01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: eventually got moved to a secure place and we're still here. Yeah,

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01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 1: and Billy, this is Jeanie's ain't know in New York,

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01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 1: And you know the pictures we are seeing obviously you

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01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: having lived through this, are just astonishing to imagine. But

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01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: are you and we're as we hear that they're coming

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01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 1: back in session tonight. How is the capital being secure

1667
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: at this point. We understand the National Guard was called out.

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01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Some reports said that was by Vice President Pence, not

1669
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: President Trump, and I don't know the veracity of that.

1670
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: But how is it being secured? And are you hearing

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01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 1: from members that they feel safe as well as their staff,

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01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: and of course you as reporters to be in the

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01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 1: building tonight after this curfew and in the dark, that's

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01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: a good question. Actually, we're not being allowed out, and

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01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 1: neither of the members. So we're in here. There's a

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Speaker 1: d C curfew. Uh and uh. Members say they're going

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01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 1: back onto the floor. So uh. It appears that with

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01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:40,560
Speaker 1: National Guard and other forces outside that there is a

1679
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: sense that we're safe in here, but don't go outside.

1680
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 1: And that seems to be the mood. Members seem to

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01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: be ready to get this done and do it um.

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01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: Senator Loam even said, let's just go ahead and serve

1683
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: to buy them. Let's go certify Joe Biden's election right now.

1684
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: And are you expecting sorry, sorry, are you expecting, because we,

1685
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: of course before all of this, we heard this thing

1686
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 1: could take days, two days, three days or more. But

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01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're expecting or Romney is saying that

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01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,560
Speaker 1: they would like to get this done tonight early in

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01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: the morning hours tomorrow. Well, that's what Romney saying. Of course,

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01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: he's not the big dog over there in the House

1691
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: the Senate Republican ranks. But you do have to wonder

1692
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 1: if Senator Ted Cruz, Mo Brooks and Alabama are going

1693
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 1: to sit there on the floor and and continue their

1694
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: challenges to three or more states lasting into tomorrow, or

1695
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 1: or if they're going to agree to say, hey, we've

1696
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: got to do something different. Now. I mean, do you,

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01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: based upon the conversations that you're having with lawmakers, have

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Speaker 1: you gleaned any shift from those Republicans in terms of

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Speaker 1: the process that they had originally wanted to go through

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01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 1: versus the events that unfolded from the mob. Well, I think, uh,

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01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 1: what many of them probably are thinking is that I

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01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 1: want to be associated with any event that created this um.

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01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: None have come out and said they're going to abandon

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01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: their challenges and and of course some of their challenges

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01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 1: they said, we're based on real constitutional issues. So I

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01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 1: don't know how you walk away with that from that

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01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 1: just dismiss it. But there does seem to be a

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01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:17,799
Speaker 1: sense and uh that people want this to be wrapped

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01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,640
Speaker 1: up that Let's don't do this Merson show right now.

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01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: This is this is not going to work anymore. Billy House.

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01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 1: I know you've got to get back to work, but

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01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: I first want to play for you some sound on

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01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: tape that we have from President Trump speaking to his

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01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 1: supporters earlier today. And then I just want you to

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01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 1: get your reaction, because well, you were at work reporting

1716
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: on the certification process. This was happening downtown. Here's the

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01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 1: President of the United States. You were going to walk

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01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 1: down Pennsylvania havening you I love Pennsylvania and we're going

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01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: to the capital. And that's what they did. Billy Well,

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01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 1: that's that's what people did. I don't know if President

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01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,640
Speaker 1: Trump did it, but Well said that was that was

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01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 1: a bit of incitement. Certainly. All right, I'm gonna let

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01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 1: you get back to work, Billy House. Thanks for your

1724
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 1: great reporting across the Bloomberg platforms for us. That's Billy House,

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01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:12,679
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Congressional reporter, senior reporter, just doing an incredible, incredible job.

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01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: Just to reseat here. My name is Kevin CEREALI I'm

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01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 1: the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio.

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01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm joined by my colleague Bloomberg contributor Genie's i know,

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01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 1: a professor at Iona College of Political Science, and also

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01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: joined now by Ari Natter, who is a Bloomberg News

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01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 1: Energy and Environment reporter. Um, and he was on the

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01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 1: hill today when everything was unfolding. Ari, I'm gonna ask

1733
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: you the same question, what was what was your day

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01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 1: like at work today? Hey, Kevin? It was it was

1735
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 1: pretty insane. I mean, it was just just felt surreal. Uh.

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01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 1: I started out on the east side of the Capitol

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01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: and things were pretty peaceful and almost Jovi all over there,

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01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 1: people wearing costumes and chanting and and singing, and then, um,

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01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, we heard these these kind of you know

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01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: boom from the west side of the cap it also

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01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 1: I made my way over there and it was just

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01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, bedlam. There was just a huge mob, I mean,

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01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 1: thousands of people, um, lined up and they're pressing against

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01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: this police barricade. UM. And they eventually overwhelmed the police

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01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 1: and they're able to make their way, um, you know,

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01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 1: into the entrance of the west side of the Capitol

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01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 1: and um, you know, the scaffold and they have set

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01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: up for biden inauguration. They climbed that and there are

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01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 1: these um, huge Trump banners and flags just flying from them,

1750
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 1: and they're they're kind of hanging it out there. It

1751
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: was just very I mean, it was just just it

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01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 1: was just unreal. Yeah, Ari, I've been you know. One

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01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 1: of the things that's astonishing to me is given the

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01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 1: amount invested in security to secure the White House. I mean,

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01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 1: we've all lived through the change. There was a time

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01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 1: when you could walk fairly close to it. You're now

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01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: behind these barricades post nine eleven. How is it do

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01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 1: you think that the protesters were able to get not

1759
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 1: just to the capital, but inside the Capitol and onto

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01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:04,679
Speaker 1: the floor and the way they did, given the focus

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01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: and the amount of money we spent on securing those buildings. Yeah,

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01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 1: that that thought definitely crossed my mind. I think people

1763
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: are going to be looking at that in the in

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01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: the days I had. I mean, it was just it's

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01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 1: just amazing. I mean it just seemed like it was

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01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, the regular Capitol police force, um, and you know,

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01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: not to lessen them, but they were just outnumbered and

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01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: they didn't see any National Guard or anyone else there,

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01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: and um, you know, they're doing their best. The whole line,

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01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 1: they were using what appeared to be um, you know,

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01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 1: flash grenades and tear gas and and pepper spray, but um,

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01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 1: you know they're they were just that numbered and um

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01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 1: and I actually saw some pretty violent skirmishes where people

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01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: were using the flagpoles of their flags hit the police,

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01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 1: and the police were kind of you know, fighting back

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01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 1: with batons and um, you know, like I assume was

1777
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 1: chemical dispersants and in fact, the seemed like some of

1778
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: the people in the mob had mass of their own

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01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 1: and they're spraying that on the police and um, eventually

1780
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 1: the police had to retreat and um that people got

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01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 1: in so um. Yeah, it was just it was kind

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01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 1: of amazing to me that the police did seem unprepared. Alright, Ari, Honor,

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Speaker 1: I want to let you go. Thank you so much

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01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 1: for your excellent reporting. That's Bloomberg's Aery Nader reporting on

1785
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 1: his day at the office today, folks here from Washington,

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01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: d C. I want to bring in Ed Mills, Managing

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01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 1: director of Washington Policy and Raymond James uh to offer

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01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 1: some Wall Street reaction, and we're going to get that

1789
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: in a second once he joins us on the line.

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01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 1: But Cheenie, I mean We've been talking so much about

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01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: what's been happening and unfolding in the nation's capital that

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01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 1: we uh, you know, there's been other news. The Georgia

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01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 1: results were were declared. Um uh. Wall Street has had

1794
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 1: a dizzying day in terms of the New York Stock

1795
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:55,600
Speaker 1: Exchange delisting three Chinese companies and and and all of

1796
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: this happening is that the world's attention gripped on the

1797
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 1: Twelfth Amendment, the twelfth Amendment being acted upon. And what

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01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 1: is a tradition in the United States history of a

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01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 1: peaceful transition of power and a headline crossing just right

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01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 1: now that congresswoman uh, Congressman Kathy McMorris Rodgers drops opposition

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01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 1: to Biden's win. Um, we're citing the New York Times,

1802
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:23,840
Speaker 1: but just so many, so many moving parts today and

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01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 1: there we go. I think we were just talking about

1804
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 1: our questioning whether we would see any sort of change

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01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 1: of heart, if you will, amongst these people, you know,

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01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: these people who had been in opposition, and you know,

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01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 1: if that report is correct, it's it seems that that

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01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 1: may be the first we have And to your point,

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01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 1: that's not to mention that we saw Joe Biden pick

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01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 1: Merrick Garland to be the Attorney General today. We had

1811
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 1: all been waiting with bated breath for that really important announcement.

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01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 1: It happened today, and with everything going on, it almost

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01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: got lost obviously in the news cycle. But that's a really,

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01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 1: really an important appointment for him. And of course, not

1815
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,759
Speaker 1: to mention the Democrats taking the Senate as the Georgia

1816
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:08,600
Speaker 1: races were resolved, and Chuck Schumer becoming you know, presumably

1817
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 1: will become majority leaders of First New Yorker by the way,

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01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 1: to hold that position. UM. So you know, all of

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01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 1: these big, big stories that in normal times would really

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01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 1: command you know, a weeks of news cycle. UM, really

1821
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: just lost in all of this shuffle of what's going

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01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 1: on all right now, I'm told that we have that

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01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,720
Speaker 1: mills on in terms of giving us some some Wall

1824
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: Street reaction and how did the markets react today to it?

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01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 1: To Washington's news, I think Washington, um, you know, certainly

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01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 1: was front and center, but it was more about the

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01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: Georgia elections. UM. You know, there was a lot of

1828
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 1: concern about what was happening at the Capitol. But generally speaking, UM,

1829
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 1: from what I've had conversations with folks, is that the

1830
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 1: market moved on from this presidential election in early November. UM,

1831
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:57,559
Speaker 1: there is a well held belief that nothing is going

1832
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 1: to change the outcome, and they are really looking forward

1833
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 1: because the market is a forward looking mechanism. Uh. They

1834
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:06,439
Speaker 1: want to know kind of what policy Joe Biden is

1835
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 1: going to pursue, especially now that he has a majority

1836
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:11,560
Speaker 1: in the House and the Senate to back up what

1837
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 1: he's trying to accomplish. You know, this is a difficult

1838
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:17,599
Speaker 1: follow up question to ask, but maybe the markets are

1839
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 1: incredibly confident in the US democratic institutions because if the

1840
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 1: events that unfolded today in the United States occurred in

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01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 1: a developing part of the world, maybe we would see

1842
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 1: different reaction from investors that. Yeah, And I think Kevin,

1843
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:37,479
Speaker 1: it's because we've had so many peaceful transitions in the past. Um.

1844
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 1: So far this has been dismissed as a one off event. UM.

1845
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:47,080
Speaker 1: I think there is a deeper, longer conversation to be

1846
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:50,479
Speaker 1: had about how polarized we are, what type of policy

1847
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 1: that leads to UM? Is this something that is a

1848
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 1: warning for kind of the future? Um? And you know,

1849
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 1: there is a populism that exists um in UM. You know,

1850
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 1: the politics today that comes with unpredictable policy events going

1851
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 1: into the future. So it is a risk to the

1852
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 1: market that has not ever existed in my twenty years

1853
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,839
Speaker 1: here in Washington, d c UM but so far because

1854
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 1: so much of the process is near automatic income twelve

1855
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: oh one on January uh Donald Trump's term expires, and

1856
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,599
Speaker 1: whoever is sworn in becomes the next president. And if

1857
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 1: no one has worn in, there's a process there too

1858
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 1: because of the foundation of the rule of law and

1859
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,720
Speaker 1: how often we have transitioned. That I think is the

1860
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 1: strength here for the market. And as you talk about

1861
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:43,680
Speaker 1: the strength of the market and sort of the ability

1862
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 1: to sort of look beyond these horrific events in the

1863
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 1: Capitol today, one thing that strikes me is we've seen

1864
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 1: reaction from around the world, leaders around the world coming out,

1865
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: you know, with these statements of really shock and dismay

1866
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:02,680
Speaker 1: at what's going on in in America. And is the

1867
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 1: market reacting to that at all? As so many US

1868
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 1: companies have to do business outside of the US and

1869
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 1: vice versa, any impact of a concern about what's going

1870
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 1: on in the US. You couple what's going on in

1871
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 1: the Capitol with the pandemic and the numbers where we

1872
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: lead the world in that that as well. What kind

1873
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 1: of reaction do you think that will have, if any UM.

1874
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 1: You know, I think that there will be a question

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01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:31,640
Speaker 1: longer term about kind of US leadership UM. I do

1876
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 1: remember conversations in UH February where expectations in the market was, yes,

1877
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,400
Speaker 1: the pandemic was coming to the United States, but the

1878
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 1: expectation was that the US healthcare system and the public

1879
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: healthcare system was going to lead the world. There was

1880
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 1: not a single person that I spoke to that could

1881
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,719
Speaker 1: have imagined that we would lead the number of cases

1882
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 1: or the number of deaths UM. However, we have seen

1883
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 1: a resiliency because I think a couple of things have

1884
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 1: occurred is that there is no alternative, and we've seen

1885
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 1: a massive amount of stimulus from the fiscal side, in

1886
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 1: the monetary side UM. And you know, the US consumer

1887
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 1: is strong and UM with that support, are continuing to

1888
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:19,679
Speaker 1: go out and spend UM. There is a big kail

1889
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,719
Speaker 1: wind from housing UM and quite frankly with the market

1890
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 1: there are the big businesses UM. The businesses that are

1891
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:27,600
Speaker 1: dying out there are small businesses, not the ones that

1892
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 1: are traded on the stock exchange. So it is a

1893
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 1: sheer shift as well, so there is a disconnect between

1894
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 1: the economy and the market. UM. A lot of this

1895
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 1: conversation as examples of those disconnects. Alright, Dead Mills, I

1896
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 1: want to thank you so much for joining us UH

1897
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: to give us your insights, especially from a market perspective.

1898
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: Incredibly incredibly important conversations to be had from aad Mills,

1899
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 1: I want to reset here. Headlines crossing the Bloomberg terminal

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01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: Senate Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer saying that congressional proceedings

1901
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 1: will restart at eight pm New York time. UH this

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01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 1: according to CNN. Again, a headline crossing the Bloomberg terminal,

1903
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 1: Schumer says congressional proceedings will restart at eight p m.

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01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 1: Eastern time. According to CNN. UH in Washington, d C,

1905
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:16,919
Speaker 1: where we are broadcasting from the city is in lockdown.

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01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 1: This after the Associated Press reports that the Capitol building

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Speaker 1: has been secured. I want to welcome to the program

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Speaker 1: the anchor, the anchor for Bloomberg, Tom Keane. UH. And Tom,

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Speaker 1: I know you've been carefully checking in with me throughout

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Speaker 1: the day, but and and I appreciate you coming on

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Speaker 1: this broadcast, but as you watch the headlines crossed through

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Speaker 1: the terminal, as you watch the images unfolding from Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. Your historical analysis, well, the storical analysis coven

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Speaker 1: is there isn't one. This is absolutely original. You can

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Speaker 1: allude to eighteen twelve, or rather eighteen fourteen or eighteen

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Speaker 1: thirty eight, and on and on and on. This is original.

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Speaker 1: And Kevin, what I would Suggs and Frank you're here

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Speaker 1: at this than I am. But the zeitgeist right now

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Speaker 1: is a twenty amendment of nineteen sixty seven. What do

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Speaker 1: we do with the president if there's a process here

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Speaker 1: starting with the vice president? Hups? Fine, and that speculation,

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Speaker 1: and we'll worry about that tomorrow. But to your point

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Speaker 1: of your headline across the Bloomberg Terminal that Mr Schumer

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Speaker 1: is looking for an eight pm start to this process,

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Speaker 1: that to me, Kevin, is far more important right now

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Speaker 1: to have peace tomorrow morning. What will the obstructionists do?

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Speaker 1: And Senate let's pick Senator Cruz is just one example,

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Speaker 1: or Senator Holy Missouri. How did they respond to what

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Speaker 1: they've observed the last few hours? Well, and and the

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Speaker 1: New York Times reporting the Congressman Kathy McMorris Rodgers, who

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Speaker 1: had planned to register a complaint with regards to the election,

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Speaker 1: has dropped that complaint. So already, as Genie and I

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Speaker 1: were discussing a change of heart so to speak from

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Speaker 1: some of the Republicans, Tom keene with us, and to

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Speaker 1: follow up on this point, just the moment of Speaker

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Speaker 1: Pelosi saying to two members of the House, don't leave,

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Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. We're still doing this thing tonight. Ditto

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Speaker 1: comments coming from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell instructing the

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Speaker 1: Senate to do the same thing. Is that how this

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Speaker 1: heals in the sense, is that how this story moves

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Speaker 1: forward with a certification and Congress doing its job at

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Speaker 1: any hour of the evening or dare I say during

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Speaker 1: your broadcast on Bloomberg Surveillance tomorrow mortal? But Kevin, there's

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Speaker 1: there's two distinctions here. The first distinction is that our

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Speaker 1: institutions act under crisis to keep the process going, and

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Speaker 1: we're clearly seeing that at at seven pm, whatever the

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Speaker 1: time is right now, Frank's from cost track of the time, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: the Dow was up four and thirty seven points today.

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Speaker 1: I know you're but the real but Kevin. The real,

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Speaker 1: real distinction here as we moved through this truly historic

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Speaker 1: evening is what do the politicians do to allow the

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Speaker 1: nations to heal separate from this president? One of the

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Speaker 1: great distinctions of the last hour. And I correct me

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, Kevin, But Speaker Pelosi, in her statement,

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Speaker 1: a written statement, did not mention the president. She went

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Speaker 1: to Vice President Pence. It's remarkable and and in fact,

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to go back to sound

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Speaker 1: on tape that we have from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who,

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Speaker 1: in his opening remarks speaking uh in the Joint Session

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Speaker 1: of Congress, was pretty clear about how history would judge

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Speaker 1: members of his own party, a party which minds you

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Speaker 1: lost two seats in Georgia last evening. And let's just

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Speaker 1: roll the tape here sound on from Senate Majority Leader

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell. I will vote to respect the people's decision

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Speaker 1: and defend our system of government as we know it.

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Speaker 1: And as you hear that, Tom Keane, from the historical perspective,

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Speaker 1: I think what you just noted was riveting, fascinating and important.

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Speaker 1: The process is playing out. The Senate Majority Leader took

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Speaker 1: to the United States Senate floor to give his remarks.

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Speaker 1: The institutions of democracy are still the funnel for this discourse.

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Speaker 1: And Kevin, I mean, I don't go back to the quill.

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Speaker 1: I'm almost back to when they used the quill in

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Speaker 1: the Senate floor. But it was so important this afternoon,

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Speaker 1: and I watched every second of it of the Senator

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Speaker 1: from Kentucky and the Senator of New York with the

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Speaker 1: grace of the institution, and it hearkens back to Senator Bird,

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Speaker 1: Senator Baker of Tennessee, etcetera. The modern moment, those protesters

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Speaker 1: in the Senate room there with Henry Clay's portrait above them.

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Speaker 1: There's a respect for the institution that's trying to be

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Speaker 1: reaffirmed at this hour in Washington. And and we heard

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Speaker 1: this Genie's ano who's still with us from UH from

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Speaker 1: Congressman Brendan Boyle in the last hour. And unfortunately with you, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Tom Keene, he's in New York. I'm not with him,

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Speaker 1: just loving listening to you too. It was exclusive with me,

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Speaker 1: but continued, well, we are I am, Tom, I am

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Speaker 1: you know what is this? I see I'm I want

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Speaker 1: to make a joke, but I'm not going to because

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be disciplined, Tom Keene, like you've taught

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Speaker 1: me to be in control of my tongue. But I

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Speaker 1: will say I will say I mean just in the

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Speaker 1: sense geniez Ano from Congress and Brendon Boyle, I mean

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Speaker 1: the politicization of either party claiming that that they are

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Speaker 1: the party of the Constitution. Well if they took an

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Speaker 1: oath to to to carry out the process. And I

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Speaker 1: think it. I think what Tom Keene is saying is

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Speaker 1: a lesson to the next class of journalists, which is

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Speaker 1: follow the process, trust the process, let it play out. Jeanie. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And as a political scientist, of course, I say hallelujah

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Speaker 1: to that. It is so true. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: think the question that I I don't know Tom, if

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Speaker 1: you feel like but we have said so many times

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Speaker 1: over the last say five years at least, I've said

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Speaker 1: to myself, the president has finally gone too far. This

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Speaker 1: is really where he has you know, not to use

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Speaker 1: a happy day's reference, but jumped to the shark. And

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Speaker 1: it seems to me that today to your point about

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Speaker 1: this statement from Nancy Pelosi about Mitch McConnell's statement about

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Speaker 1: Vice President Pence's decision and what he did today, that

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Speaker 1: the president has finally gone too far? Do you think

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Speaker 1: that this is a time when he is going to

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Speaker 1: be isolated and the Republicans will indeed move on? Professor

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Speaker 1: Zeno Kevin teaches the Center Intercourses of Ionia Lincoln at

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Speaker 1: a time when this nation was following apart this fifteen

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Speaker 1: years before the Civil War, or if destruction be our lot,

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Speaker 1: we miss ourselves, its author in finisher, and he goes

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Speaker 1: on to talk throughout the entire argument about St. Louis

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Speaker 1: and other parts of this nation that at the time

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Speaker 1: we're under mob revolt, this isn't St. Louis. It's the

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Speaker 1: nation's capital. And you mean, Kevin, you know in the

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Speaker 1: basement of that institution is that old Senate room where

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court used to meet. This is how old

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Speaker 1: ground it is. And and you know, and I think

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Speaker 1: we've we've been trying to kind of pepper this conversation

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Speaker 1: with just how much of a campus this is and

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Speaker 1: the workplace violence that occurred there on the office for

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Speaker 1: so many young staffers fresh out of college from the

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Speaker 1: from the Senate page, who's in high school up until

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Speaker 1: the eight plus year old reelected lawmaker. It is a

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Speaker 1: It is a workplace where you have restaurants or you

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Speaker 1: have coffee shops, and you have staffers of all different

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Speaker 1: sizes coming at this and and and and this is

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Speaker 1: where they go to work in the middle of a pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Like so many millions of Americans who are having to

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Speaker 1: grapple with this, some of them aren't even connected to politics.

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Speaker 1: But Tom, I want to get your I want to

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Speaker 1: get your to move this conversation to this point, which

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Speaker 1: is is this a tipping point? Is this where uh

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Speaker 1: there enough with the media cliches, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: think the media has to be has to have a

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Speaker 1: conversation at some point, a long overdue one. But is

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Speaker 1: this a tipping point? Akin to a major indelible moment

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Speaker 1: in the minds of the average American psychology? I think

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Speaker 1: so much depends on the leadership of the incoming president

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Speaker 1: of the United States. I thought that President Biden today

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Speaker 1: was forceful. You go back a number of months, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: you used to lecture me on this, the fragility of

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Speaker 1: President elect Biden. He was quite forceful and quite firm today.

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Speaker 1: And what has been lacking even for Trump supporters as

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Speaker 1: even Kevin McCarthy was heartbreaking on CNN or CBS rather

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Speaker 1: three or four hours ago. What is so important here

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Speaker 1: is leadership in governance. That's what's been lacking. Maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: find that across all of the American political landscape. Do

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Speaker 1: you think this is an Compare this to another inflection

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Speaker 1: point in American history? Oh, that is so difficult, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to Pearl Harbor in other moments,

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Speaker 1: and of course the Kennedy assassination sprawling across my life.

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Speaker 1: I have to go back to the great debate of

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Speaker 1: this early America, which is slavery culminating in eighteen sixty

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Speaker 1: with a civil war, and the sprawl of the thirty

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Speaker 1: or forty years across that. In Kevin, this is really important.

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Speaker 1: Part of that sprawl was the death of the Week Party,

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Speaker 1: and many Republicans, including the obstructions tonight, have to be

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Speaker 1: looking at that Henry Clay portrait in Washington and saying,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, are we on the edge of the wig?

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Speaker 1: The last time we've been talking so much about eighteen

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Speaker 1: six and the election, but the last time, I mean

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Speaker 1: the compromise, the Great Compromise, so to speak with with

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Speaker 1: regards to to that election was when they had this

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Speaker 1: this reckoning moment with the Republican Party, when they were

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Speaker 1: able to to elect Hayes, who, by the way, was

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Speaker 1: an abolitionist and of course represented slaves in court. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I don't want to get

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Speaker 1: too far ahead of ourselves in the final moments that

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Speaker 1: we have left Jeanie's, you know, but it feels like

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Speaker 1: an inflection point. I've covered candidate Donald Trump, I've covered

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Speaker 1: covered his administration, I've traveled the world covering him. This

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Speaker 1: is this is a moment in his presidency, albeit with

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Speaker 1: two weeks left, that feels different from the reaction that

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Speaker 1: we've seen from some prominent prominent Republicans. Absolutely, and just

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Speaker 1: thinking about what you and Tom were just talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to think about a historical moment that's

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Speaker 1: analogous to this, It's really difficult for me because this

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Speaker 1: is so much a self inflicted wound, like so much

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Speaker 1: of what the president has engaged in. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: heard from Republicans last night they should have won Georgia

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Speaker 1: if he hadn't gotten in the way. He probably would

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Speaker 1: have won this election if he had been able to

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Speaker 1: exert more self control throughout the election cycle the campaign,

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Speaker 1: and listen to his advisors. So, you know, so much

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Speaker 1: of this makes it difficult for me to think about

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Speaker 1: an analogous moment historically, because he really has brought this

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Speaker 1: on and I think we're seeing some of that come

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Speaker 1: to fruition tonight for him. Do you think, Tom, there's

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Speaker 1: going to be pressure for some type of institution to

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's impeachment, I mean, but what

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Speaker 1: type of reaction will funnel through. I don't buy it.

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Speaker 1: I've listened to people more qualified to meet tonight Kevin,

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Speaker 1: and I just think on a I defer a professor

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Speaker 1: Zeno on this, but the chronology of implete Peachman is

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Speaker 1: just out of the question here. We have to stagger

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Speaker 1: to that inauguration day, Kevin, that you're going to cover

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Speaker 1: forest in Washington and you know, I'm going to leave

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Speaker 1: it to the pundits to figure out what the next

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Speaker 1: ten days look like or so we got to get

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Speaker 1: through this evening, Kevin and see process on Capitol Hill

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Speaker 1: before we do anything else. It's it's it's really good advice. Tom.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for for joining us and

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Speaker 1: just final words before you go anything else. You want

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Speaker 1: to get off your chest while I have you on

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Speaker 1: the air. Tom Key, By the way, did you know

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Speaker 1: this is Christine Barrata, our executive producer. She's kind of

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Speaker 1: like st Rachel. You're following me, Tom. She tells me

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Speaker 1: that this this is your first time on Bloomberg. Sound on.

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Speaker 1: What took so long? Tom? Union rules? Kevin? What are

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Speaker 1: and this is? This is important to understand that this

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Speaker 1: is an historic moment and every news organization is to

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Speaker 1: try to cover it without opinion. We're just going to

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Speaker 1: report the various facts from the various constituencies. And that

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Speaker 1: begins with you, Emily Wilkins, Craig Gordon and their team

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Speaker 1: in Washington. And it follows on yes to the market coverage.

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Speaker 1: I said earlier on Bloomberg that the market coverage to

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Speaker 1: me right now is not all that important. We need

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Speaker 1: to cover this day by day, like just observing the facts.

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Speaker 1: That's that's my job. Tom Keane, thanks for the assignment.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll let you go, Boss. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Uh and just to to reset, I mean, final words

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Speaker 1: from from Jeanie's ano. By the way, Jennie, thank you

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Speaker 1: for for all of your smart analysis, and for and

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Speaker 1: for all the help on on this historic day in Washington.

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Speaker 1: It's been so so good to talk to you. And

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Speaker 1: it is quite a historic day. And I am going

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Speaker 1: to be thinking all night, tonight, and tomorrow and as

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Speaker 1: we go forward about what is analogous to this the

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Speaker 1: great question you asked Tom and he had an answer

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Speaker 1: for which I don't, but um, you know, I I

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Speaker 1: do think it is. It's quite a moment in American

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Speaker 1: politics and American history. And I'm hopeful Congress comes back

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Speaker 1: and gets this certification done as safely and quickly as possible.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Janie, and I know you'll be with us

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Speaker 1: every step of the way. That does it for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin CERELLI, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and

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Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio.