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Speaker 1: got NXT from last night to talk about, which I
Speaker 1: thought was a very good show, certainly a very newsworthy show.
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Speaker 3: Brian, Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure? Well question it all.
Speaker 3: Right, Let's just say Lenny bought tickets. Would he still
Speaker 3: be banned?
Speaker 1: No, he's only banned from the chat. Okay, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I would get along great with Lenny in real life,
Speaker 1: but he's not allowed. I've blocked him from my chat.
Speaker 1: The rest you can listen to.
Speaker 3: Him, but I blocked him and the chat to you.
Speaker 3: He won't.
Speaker 1: He everyon gets a question, then you got to go
Speaker 1: back to the line. It's fine. He can come out
Speaker 1: one question the Q and I don't care. I don't
Speaker 1: care about asking questions. It's when you say completely preposterous
Speaker 1: things and are heavily biased and cannot see it. I
Speaker 1: just can't take it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: One other thing before we get to the news. After
Speaker 1: Dark Radio is at two Pacific, five Eastern, and a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, somebody asked about the Maltby Cemetery,
Speaker 1: which is near where I live, where there is allegedly
Speaker 1: thirteen steps down to Hell. So I told this story
Speaker 1: and on the show today we don't have a guest,
Speaker 1: so we'll be taking feedback. So I want to know
Speaker 1: about weird stuff in your town. So everybody's got some
Speaker 1: weird story in their town, so I would like you
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Speaker 1: about that as well. Plus all of the weird news
Speaker 1: of the last week. So that's coming up at two
Speaker 1: Pacific five Eastern on Sports Byline as well as YouTube
Speaker 1: and Twitch and everywhere else you watch these shows live.
Speaker 1: So that's coming up now. Aw Double or Nothing twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five has been announced and it is not in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas almost certainly because WrestleMania is taking place in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas in April. So the the new location for
Speaker 1: Double or Nothing twenty twenty five will be the Desert
Speaker 1: Diamond Arena, Glendale, Arizona, and that will be as noted
Speaker 1: May twenty fifth. So if you want to go to
Speaker 1: Double or Nothing this year, it'll be in Glendale, Arizona,
Speaker 1: which I think they had a Did they have a
Speaker 1: WrestleMania somewhere around that area?
Speaker 3: They had it at the area there was that Cardinals
Speaker 3: football stadium.
Speaker 1: Which I enjoyed that Wrestlemanian Arizona. I don't think it'll
Speaker 1: ever go there again, but it was fun to go
Speaker 1: there that one year.
Speaker 3: Well, were you in Phoenix? Was everything based in Phoenix?
Speaker 3: For that wrussele Maania?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I just know I really liked Arizona.
Speaker 3: Glendell is I think a little outside of Phoenix, and
Speaker 3: that's where the old hockey team I believe was playing
Speaker 3: before they moved to Salt Lake City. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I Hey, look, if you want to go on vacation,
Speaker 3: going to Arizona isn't the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 3: When it comes to the web and all that so.
Speaker 1: So they're there. Building is right across the street from
Speaker 1: where they ran WrestleMania twenty six.
Speaker 3: There you go, so there you go.
Speaker 1: I like that place. I don't know how it is now.
Speaker 1: That was, you know what, fourteen years ago. Fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3: Plus a lot easier travel for you.
Speaker 1: I had to to Vegas. No, Vegas is much easier.
Speaker 3: No, but I mean as far as coming to the
Speaker 3: East coast or something like that too.
Speaker 1: Well, of course it's never easy to travel longer distances.
Speaker 1: But they're they're they're in an easier flight than the
Speaker 1: Vegas I know.
Speaker 3: But I like Russellmania pained Brian travel story.
Speaker 1: No I'm not. I'm not going back to New York,
Speaker 1: New Jersey. Not happening. The Meadowlands and then the rest
Speaker 1: of the schedule has revolution March ninth in la the
Speaker 1: Crypto dot Com Arena. The Dynasty Show will be April
Speaker 1: sixth in Philadelphia. We've got double or nothing as noted
Speaker 1: in Glendale.
Speaker 3: Building in Felly.
Speaker 1: I don't want to try and pronounce it the Lately
Speaker 1: Chorus or whatever center all in is it the Globe
Speaker 1: Life Field, I can pronounce that one. Arlington, Texas, July twelfth,
Speaker 1: which I think we're going to. I'm actually not sure
Speaker 1: I think And Forbidden Door is August twenty fourth in London,
Speaker 1: venue to be announced. Not going to that one, but
Speaker 1: I will probably go to the Seattle Show when they
Speaker 1: announce it. So, uh, Friday Night SmackDown lowest number of
Speaker 1: the year one point three eight four million viewers on
Speaker 1: the USA network did do a point four to two,
Speaker 1: which was second on all of cable, and the show
Speaker 1: went head to head with the NBA All Star Celebrity Game,
Speaker 1: which featured Bailey, So that should count as a wrestling rating, right,
Speaker 1: Sure that did one point two million viewers in a
Speaker 1: point four to three and eighteen to forty nine, so
Speaker 1: that that gobbled up about j ten to forty nine viewers,
Speaker 1: and I guess we'll find out soon. Should be like
Speaker 1: any time, how that that Collision Show did? That Collision
Speaker 1: Show should do the best collision number of the year.
Speaker 1: It's got an enormous lead in. It was promoted for
Speaker 1: a long time as Grand Slam Australia. It opened with
Speaker 1: a banger, which I thought it should have and so
Speaker 1: I guess we'll we'll see soon.
Speaker 3: The question is much like that college football game that
Speaker 3: preceded it. Yes, we'll have a number, and it should
Speaker 3: be one of their highest, but what will it finish
Speaker 3: with by the time all is said and done, how
Speaker 3: many people last the year?
Speaker 1: You know what, It'll fall off a lot. But the
Speaker 1: last time they had a giant lead in like this,
Speaker 1: there is there is this idea that people who don't
Speaker 1: like aw taut which is, well, you know that first quarter,
Speaker 1: you get like people watching for a minute and then
Speaker 1: they turn off the show. But that first minute. So
Speaker 1: that's actually not what happened the last time they had
Speaker 1: a gigantic lead in from an NBA game, I believe.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 3: It was football, when it was college football.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was. They kept those viewers for forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: It was forty five minutes before the decline started. So
Speaker 1: it was not a situation of you know, one minute,
Speaker 1: five minute and then they all left. No, they stayed
Speaker 1: around for a good forty five minutes.
Speaker 3: So I guess the difference will be in this case,
Speaker 3: it came on a lot later on the East coast,
Speaker 3: whereas that one was about the time the show usually started.
Speaker 3: In fact, I think it started on time at eight o'clock.
Speaker 3: In this case, what time did it actually.
Speaker 1: Well, actually it says here apparently the Collision Show did
Speaker 1: five hundred and two thousand viewers and a point two
Speaker 1: to one, so they doubled what they normally do, and
Speaker 1: that's the average over two hours. So that first that
Speaker 1: first quarter, half hour, forty five minutes. I mean, we
Speaker 1: may have been up in the in the sevens. So
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what those quarters are. That's
Speaker 1: five five hundred and two that and a point to
Speaker 1: one over two hours. So given that, they probably had
Speaker 1: a very big lead in and declined, and they probably
Speaker 1: ended close to where they normally would end, which would
Speaker 1: be you know, I don't know, three hundred thousand and
Speaker 1: a point one zero. They probably did a gigantic first
Speaker 1: few quarters, so we'll find out soon enough.
Speaker 3: Well, they started with the right match, I think that's
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the whole show is good, but that's
Speaker 1: definitely the match I would open with. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: didn't do a lot of remember actually know what it
Speaker 1: was last time? I remember this now, first quarter top
Speaker 1: to million, yep. So I'll talk about it after the break.
Speaker 1: Because they did something last time that I was I
Speaker 1: was just aghast, and to their credit, they learned from
Speaker 1: and didn't do it this time. Back in a moment
Speaker 1: Observer lives, I.
Speaker 2: Kind of see.
Speaker 3: The range, but they call me.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know what what's up?
Speaker 1: Let me teach you all everything, actually mostly Lenny everything.
Speaker 1: You know, It's okay to be wrong, Lenny. It's okay
Speaker 1: to be wrong. So I was wrong before we went
Speaker 1: to commercial because what I said was the last time
Speaker 1: they had a giant lead in they did something and
Speaker 1: I was aghast, and thank god they didn't learn from
Speaker 1: it and do it again. That's what I said. But
Speaker 1: you know what, I was wrong because now they think
Speaker 1: about it. I was aghast at what they did. But then,
Speaker 1: like I later saw the quarters and it didn't make
Speaker 1: any difference whatsoever. And for all I know, maybe it
Speaker 1: helped because the first the first three quorders did like
Speaker 1: great numbers. They opened the last show when they had
Speaker 1: that giant lead in Okay. It was NBA or whatever, NFL,
Speaker 1: whatever it was, they had this giant lead in Okay,
Speaker 1: and so I thought, Okay, like these people are coming
Speaker 1: off this show. You're starting like throw will Ospray and
Speaker 1: Kenny o'meg or whoever in the ring and just do
Speaker 1: a banger. Remember this argument? Yes, And I'm like, what
Speaker 1: are they gonna start with? Like they gotta start hot,
Speaker 1: like don't even do ring it or just start with
Speaker 1: the Matt Jordy in progress. They opened up I think
Speaker 1: it was in the Hammerstein Ballroom and they opened up
Speaker 1: the show and it was Tony Shavani's standing in the
Speaker 1: ring with Big Boom AJ and his kid the Riz
Speaker 1: whatever his name is, and like they're just standing there.
Speaker 1: Tony goes, we're here with Big Boom AJ and the
Speaker 1: Riz and AJ goes boom and they all stood there.
Speaker 1: Tony goes, we got a big show for you tonight,
Speaker 1: don't we Aj? And he goes.
Speaker 6: Boom.
Speaker 1: Tony goes, yes, we do here in this beautiful and
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, what are we doing? Get the show
Speaker 1: on the road. And it kept going and it was
Speaker 1: like Tony would say something, this bloke would say boom,
Speaker 1: and then his kid would say boom, and then he'd
Speaker 1: say something. I was like, dude, people are turning off
Speaker 1: this show in troupes. What's going on? Well, Anyway, as
Speaker 1: it turns out that never happened. I guess people were
Speaker 1: really into Tony Shiavanni Big Boom AJ and Noel Riz
Speaker 1: standing in the ring and saying boom for like ninth
Speaker 1: straight minutes. I don't know, dude, But the point, my
Speaker 1: point is this, it didn't hurt like it didn't. People
Speaker 1: didn't turn off the show, so I was wrong. But
Speaker 1: I do think it was better that this time they
Speaker 1: opened hot, and as Dave noted, that first quarter over
Speaker 1: a million, which, by the way, I think i'd have
Speaker 1: to go back. I think that might be better than
Speaker 1: when they had the Rizzler in the ring. So maybe
Speaker 1: maybe I was right after all. But the point is
Speaker 1: the first court did over a million, and so you know,
Speaker 1: get ready everyone listen, let's all get our fingers on
Speaker 1: the keyboard to get mad.
Speaker 3: If we add in Max, yes.
Speaker 1: I mean they had well over they had well over
Speaker 1: a million for that first quarter. Mike, did they have
Speaker 1: zero people watching on Max? I didn't even give a number.
Speaker 3: No, I know it.
Speaker 1: I know they didn't have zero because I watched it
Speaker 1: on Max, as did most of the people in the
Speaker 1: chat add most of the people on So anyway, whatever,
Speaker 1: the number is. And you know why people are so
Speaker 1: stupid because I bring this fact up and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: the show did two million because of the Max viewer
Speaker 1: strong right, Brian, No, I never said they did two million.
Speaker 3: It's how you know.
Speaker 1: I never said you had a million.
Speaker 3: Brought the people the eyes.
Speaker 1: I said that probably is. I said, like everything else streaming,
Speaker 1: they probably did twenty to thirty percent extra. Hey, if
Speaker 1: you are, they probably did.
Speaker 3: If you would have just come out and said, hey,
Speaker 3: guess what they're going to do some eyeballs on Max.
Speaker 3: We don't know what those numbers are. Well, I have
Speaker 3: to see what kind of inflated PR releases we get,
Speaker 3: just like WWE Netflix are doing. But no, you have
Speaker 3: to come up here and say from day one, guess
Speaker 3: what they did the same exact amount of people they've
Speaker 3: been doing on TV, but now they got never can't
Speaker 3: prove that they you're telling me nobody.
Speaker 1: You know what, it's how you brought the argument. Listen,
Speaker 1: they're not doing the same on TV. They're eighteen to
Speaker 1: forty nine is down and their viewership is down because
Speaker 1: a lot of people are now watching on Max. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then you know what's funny about it is I
Speaker 1: was saying, you know what, it seems like everybody says
Speaker 1: they're watching on Max and not TBS, and ever's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not true. Just me and all my friends, but
Speaker 1: nobody else. And then and then it's like, if they
Speaker 1: were doing well, if they were doing well, hey, I
Speaker 1: gotta mute you.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: If they were doing well, they said, well, we would
Speaker 1: have heard something from Max, and we haven't. If they
Speaker 1: were doing something well, we would have heard something. So
Speaker 1: then like a few days later, we hear from Max.
Speaker 1: It's one of the most watched live programs on And
Speaker 1: now it's like, well that doesn't count. Okay, whatever, the
Speaker 1: show's doing well on Max. You can get angry if
Speaker 1: you want, or you could send an email to Brian
Speaker 1: at after Dark radioshow dot com with what weird thing
Speaker 1: is happening in your town Brian at after Dark radioshow
Speaker 1: dot com or Brian at Restlingobserver dot com after darkness,
Speaker 1: subject line and you know what not Johnny Jeter is
Speaker 1: where on the chat he goes, I'm so sick of
Speaker 1: ratings talk. Listen. All I do is I briefly go
Speaker 1: over numbers, and you guys got to start the fight.
Speaker 3: Oh the Max thing? No, Brian, we go there you go.
Speaker 1: You started it this time, you started people? Do you
Speaker 1: started it? All I said was they also had a
Speaker 1: lot of people watching on Max and then you had
Speaker 1: to bring up a million and this guy, oh it's
Speaker 1: two million.
Speaker 3: I'm pointing out you. Hey, I'm ready to move on.
Speaker 1: You want to shut up about it? Or if we
Speaker 1: keep talking?
Speaker 3: It's how you bring the argument to people.
Speaker 1: You want to know the biggest news on NXC last night.
Speaker 1: You want to know the biggest news on NXC last night?
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm thinking, not now that this
Speaker 1: guy is begging me to move on. Don't beg me
Speaker 1: to move on. It's my show here, not Johnny Jeter
Speaker 1: is where I'll decide when I move on. Not you
Speaker 1: Now I've decided to move on. The biggest story, you know,
Speaker 1: The biggest story on NXT last night was what What's that?
Speaker 1: I can't even believe it? What Ricky Stark signed the
Speaker 1: wrong contract?
Speaker 3: Who not? Wait, Ricky?
Speaker 1: Who can you believe he did that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: My god?
Speaker 1: Good thing that have that? You're Rayah, what's the what's
Speaker 1: what's his name? Out there's contract, and he'd have been
Speaker 1: stuck with that name for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1: So now apparently he's Ricky Saints, not Ricky Saint, No,
Speaker 1: Ricky Saints.
Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints. Yes, that's where he's from.
Speaker 1: If he really wanted to be different, he would have
Speaker 1: put an apostrophe in there, just for the heck of it.
Speaker 1: But he's wrestling on the show next week. And he
Speaker 1: also did an interview about a w Letny log off.
Speaker 1: Now he was unbusted open and he was asked about
Speaker 1: his name, and he says, it's as close a you're
Speaker 1: going to get to Starks.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are going to be well,
Speaker 1: it's going to take time. I respect they care so deeply.
Speaker 1: They'll rebel against the name change. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm a product of New Orleans want to pay respect
Speaker 1: to that as well. I think this is the best
Speaker 1: of both worlds and means a lot to me. He
Speaker 1: was then asked about uh the speculation that his appearance
Speaker 1: at the Royal Rumble or WrestleMania while under aw contract.
Speaker 1: I think he was helping Cody bring his stuff into
Speaker 1: the building.
Speaker 3: Leaked security footage.
Speaker 1: If Tony was upset with that, and he says, I
Speaker 1: don't know the specifics. Some people you asked the internet
Speaker 1: it was because you were at the rumble. Will screw you,
Speaker 1: He says, the footage got leaked from me being at
Speaker 1: the Rumble. I wasn't backstage. I left after the first match.
Speaker 1: Some could say, well, you weren't mating the sweep. They
Speaker 1: got you on camera cheering. Screw you. You're an idiot
Speaker 1: with no friends and no passion in life. If you think, hey,
Speaker 1: remember when remember when Britt Baker was in the crowd
Speaker 1: of that NXT show and like the camera guy didn't
Speaker 1: know she was Britt Baker and she just got a
Speaker 1: picture of her in the Adam Cole match. She never
Speaker 1: got heat for that. So anyway, says, uh, I can
Speaker 1: What I can say for myself is when I got
Speaker 1: hurt in March, that was it. I never came back,
Speaker 1: and even then.
Speaker 3: I wasn't hurt.
Speaker 1: It was a precaution thing where I got scared as
Speaker 1: I had a stinger. Then I was fine after that,
Speaker 1: no dice, no communication, no nothing. That's okay because I
Speaker 1: ended up here. It's fine. Everything worked out. I don't
Speaker 1: know how explicitly where it went wrong. I can't point
Speaker 1: to one thing. I can say it was a storm
Speaker 1: of things. Probably did I use something that may have
Speaker 1: tipped them off? Sure, asking for my release whenever you
Speaker 1: know this past whatever could have been it. But never
Speaker 1: once was I not willing to do something. Never once
Speaker 1: was I sabotaging anything. I will say this, there are
Speaker 1: some people who stuck their nose in my creative business
Speaker 1: that shouldn't have happened veterans, and that's it. I'll leave
Speaker 1: it at that. They got a problem with me, they
Speaker 1: got my number, text me about it. I think it's
Speaker 1: what it is. If you don't work for their creative
Speaker 1: then something had to get the boot. That's how I
Speaker 1: see it. But I'm not trying to be negative in
Speaker 1: my thought process. If you want to step on me
Speaker 1: to go get ahead in your illustrious career. Everyone has
Speaker 1: an illustrious career. Everyone should have an illustrious career. That's
Speaker 1: perfectly fine. But at the same time, I'm not wet
Speaker 1: behind my ears. And that's what he said.
Speaker 3: Did you text them, well, no, it was funny.
Speaker 1: What do you talk about. I never said anything negative
Speaker 1: about Ricky Starks. Dude, I was buying Ricky Starks back
Speaker 1: at NWA Power. Remember that show. Oh yeah, I like
Speaker 1: that show.
Speaker 3: They look if you look at some of the people
Speaker 3: that they gave a spotlight to that a lot of
Speaker 3: people like people liked Elight Knight or La n Eli Drake,
Speaker 3: people liked Eddie Kingston, people liked Ricky Starks, and they
Speaker 3: gave them the spotlight to actually go forward with.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think there was like, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone on the internet was saying these guys had to
Speaker 1: signed NDAs. Maybe they did, but that didn't sell like
Speaker 1: a guy that signed an NDA right now.
Speaker 3: I'm sure not everybody's got to sign an NDA. I
Speaker 3: don't thinking Ricky Starks's case, it's really that serious. Obviously,
Speaker 3: it was not serious when he came to him hanging
Speaker 3: out with his friend Cody. I don't think that's a
Speaker 3: big surprise or anything like that. And I'm sure that
Speaker 3: they got the point that he was not trying to
Speaker 3: be there anymore when he asked for his release. I
Speaker 3: can absolutely see that. But I think a lot of
Speaker 3: things probably have gotten blown out of proportion. But it
Speaker 3: is going to be interesting to see if any more
Speaker 3: comes out on who he is talking about because I'm
Speaker 3: sure people are going to take that and run with it.
Speaker 3: Was it Chris Jericho? Was it Adam Copeland? Wasn't this
Speaker 3: person or that person?
Speaker 1: So by Ricky Saints this person says, by.
Speaker 3: The way, but yes, by by him saying that, it
Speaker 3: did open that door. But I guess we'll have to
Speaker 3: see and really for him moving forward, as we'll get
Speaker 3: to everything was laid out nicely for him last night.
Speaker 1: We do have to figure out what's going on with
Speaker 1: his DeFi World title because he won it and I
Speaker 1: don't know if he can go back because DeFi works
Speaker 1: with a W and I don't think he was under
Speaker 1: NXTWWE contract when he won the title, because I don't
Speaker 1: think they would have given it to him if he was.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he could have work there
Speaker 1: if he was.
Speaker 3: Well. Starks can, but Saints can't.
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Speaker 1: In the show, Brian Albert is here Wrestling Observer Alive
Speaker 1: except for BB, also of Wrestling Observer dot Com. Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this NXT show, all right, I'm missing
Speaker 1: something good there? No, should I not bother? Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: the NXT show. We'll do a full review with Vinnie
Speaker 1: coming up on Thursday. But you know what I want
Speaker 1: to talk about, actually talked about it the other day.
Speaker 1: But it's uh, it's true. And no, I was one
Speaker 1: hundred percent right about Corey Graves. But you'll you'll all
Speaker 1: see soon enough. So anyway, it's a self fulfilling prophecy
Speaker 1: and wrestling. We've actually talked about this on and off
Speaker 1: for years now, and uh, and man, this NXT show
Speaker 1: was a shining exam so this show Tuesday was almost
Speaker 1: a women's show. The show opened up with well, I
Speaker 1: mean there was a there was a segment with uh,
Speaker 1: we'll get to in a minute, but like, the first
Speaker 1: match was a women's match, the second match was a
Speaker 1: women's match. Then they did an angle to set up
Speaker 1: a women's match, which was the main event of the show.
Speaker 1: And it was like, probably, I don't know, half the
Speaker 1: show was segments involving women full fifty percent, and from
Speaker 1: the moment they opened, they talked about it all night long,
Speaker 1: and they pushed it really hard as the show was
Speaker 1: going off the air. This is a company that has
Speaker 1: the best women's division in the world. That's what they said,
Speaker 1: the best women's division in the world. Now we're gonna
Speaker 1: be honest. Actually, you know what, I would say that
Speaker 1: that's true. If if we go by what exactly they said,
Speaker 1: which is the best women's division in the world, this
Speaker 1: would indicate by the words division, that there's a division
Speaker 1: between the men and the women, So that would include
Speaker 1: you know, Stardom and Marygold and this would be just
Speaker 1: promotions that have men's divisions and women's divisions. Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean they're pushing hard. This is the best women's division
Speaker 1: in the world. And if you look at the depth
Speaker 1: of talent, like right now, I mean you could argue that,
Speaker 1: but here's the most important thing. Okay, here's the most
Speaker 1: important thing. Fact of the matter is they treat the
Speaker 1: women exactly like they treat the men. The women may
Speaker 1: invented the pl the women may invented this TV show.
Speaker 1: The women had fifty percent of the segments on the
Speaker 1: entire show, and they have pushed that the women are
Speaker 1: as important as the men, and that it is the
Speaker 1: best women's division on earth. And you know what, the
Speaker 1: fans buy it, and they react to the women's stars
Speaker 1: like they react to the men's stars. They react to
Speaker 1: the women's matches like they react to the men's matches.
Speaker 1: And if you look at the quarter hours, I mean,
Speaker 1: often the highest rated thing on the show is a
Speaker 1: segment involving women. Now, let's compare that to AW. And
Speaker 1: this is not a new criticism. This is a criticism
Speaker 1: that has gone back years and years and years to
Speaker 1: the point where a guy nearly won the prediction contest
Speaker 1: by predicting there would be two women's matches on an
Speaker 1: AW show. Okay, the AW women, with the exception of
Speaker 1: brit Tony Storm, Mercedes and Mariah May, which by the way,
Speaker 1: is four over the last five years. Okay, with the
Speaker 1: exception of them, the women's I mean it's always been
Speaker 1: an afterthought. I mean, you can love Chris stat Lander
Speaker 1: and you can love whoever, but it has always been
Speaker 1: treated as an afterthought. Okay, And really, really, I mean,
Speaker 1: forget all those women. I mean, even Mercedes is not
Speaker 1: headlining shows. I mean, we got Tony Storm and Mariah
Speaker 1: May headlining a show. So you know, Mariah May and
Speaker 1: Tony is the best women's program that they've ever had.
Speaker 1: They gave it more attention than any other women's program
Speaker 1: in history and for a longer period of time. But
Speaker 1: with the exception of that, I mean, are we is
Speaker 1: Letty gonna argue that the women are not an afterthought
Speaker 1: in aaw and as a result, you know, you can
Speaker 1: look at the quarter hours of Dynamite, the women are
Speaker 1: not going to be the top rated thing on the show.
Speaker 1: Even even the big return of Tony Storm member which
Speaker 1: he made her big return and did that angle with Mariah,
Speaker 1: That segment lost viewers. The return of Tony Storm to
Speaker 1: feud with Mariah May. Everybody's arguing about how it was
Speaker 1: fine for her to have her first match back on
Speaker 1: Rampage or whatever. It was fine, dude, That segment with
Speaker 1: Tony Storm her return of the ring on Rampage did
Speaker 1: a normal number. I'm not talking about the show as
Speaker 1: a whole, like the show as a hole. That Rampage
Speaker 1: did better than usual, but it did better than usual
Speaker 1: because the opening segment was the Woo Woo guy who
Speaker 1: did like a great opening segment. But Tony's segment was
Speaker 1: just like a segment on the show. So it's a
Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy. Tony clearly has the idea that the
Speaker 1: women are not going to do as well as the men.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll do some stuff with them if somebody
Speaker 1: like Marian Tony really get over like, I'll give them segments.
Speaker 1: But in generally you can see that his impression is
Speaker 1: they're just not gonna do what the guys do, and
Speaker 1: so in fact they don't because that's how they're promoted
Speaker 1: on the show. Whereas WWE is decided we are going
Speaker 1: to push this idea that we have the best women's
Speaker 1: division on Earth. They push it that way, they feature
Speaker 1: them that way, they put them in prominent positions. They
Speaker 1: put them in the top of the hour, they put
Speaker 1: them in the main events, and you know what they've done.
Speaker 1: They have created, in the eyes of their fans, the
Speaker 1: best women's division in the world, and the women do
Speaker 1: as well or better than the men. So there's a
Speaker 1: lesson here. It's not like it's a new lesson. I
Speaker 1: mean it's basic promotion. If you promote something is important,
Speaker 1: like people will learn that it's important, and if you don't,
Speaker 1: they won't.
Speaker 2: So that was a show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not in one to one comparison because NXD
Speaker 3: is wweas third branded is there to develop people and
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. But really it goes back
Speaker 3: to aw and developing talent and making people believe in
Speaker 3: certain people and making people stand out. And NXT's been
Speaker 3: able to do that. Yes, you have Julia and Stephanie
Speaker 3: Vacker and Roxanne Perez Win in there already very seasoned
Speaker 3: despite her age. But then you've seen the Fallon Henley's
Speaker 3: of the world come along. Then you've seen the Tiffany
Speaker 3: Strattons of the world come along. We've seen other people
Speaker 3: kind of go through. Now we've seen lash legend improve
Speaker 3: and these people have improved over time, because they've invested
Speaker 3: in them. We made fun of Jasmine Nicks when she started.
Speaker 3: Now she actually fits in quite well with Jacy Jane
Speaker 3: and Fallen Henley, And if Henley goes up to the
Speaker 3: main roster, it's going to open up more doors. And
Speaker 3: things are not perfect there. They're not great. All of
Speaker 3: the stories don't click and all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: But like you mentioned, you know, when you do have
Speaker 3: stars and look on the NXT roster, that's the one
Speaker 3: thing they've been able to do too, is when you
Speaker 3: do have a star that's bigger on the women's side
Speaker 3: than the men's side. I mean, other than Opa Femmi
Speaker 3: and Trek Williams, who's really over in comparison to Julia,
Speaker 3: Stephanie and Roxanne, Like nobody is close to that. So
Speaker 3: you know, for them to be in the main event position,
Speaker 3: that's what it actually should be.
Speaker 1: And somebody asked, yeah, well what about Ron SmackDown. Well,
Speaker 1: on SmackDown this week, Ripley's one of.
Speaker 3: The biggest stars in the world.
Speaker 1: Over the last two years, the Piper Niven Bianca Bellair
Speaker 1: quarter was the highest rated quarter on the show. So
Speaker 1: that was just this week and then let's see you.
Speaker 3: Don't even have to rio. Ripley's want have been one
Speaker 3: of the biggest women's wrestlings.
Speaker 1: Well, she's a big star, but that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: she's always going to do like good numbers.
Speaker 3: But she does. But yeah, but as far as you know,
Speaker 3: the argument of how you position and place somebody, how
Speaker 3: you go with the flow if somebody is getting over
Speaker 3: to that sort of degree, and how you play with it,
Speaker 3: I mean, my god, I mean, look how over she is?
Speaker 1: Stupid God, broken images anything else anyway? Well, all right,
Speaker 1: so the show opened up with actually it was a
Speaker 1: great segment. Oba Femi comes down to the ring for
Speaker 1: a promo, but the lights quickly go out and out
Speaker 1: comes the TNA X Division champion Moose. Moose and the
Speaker 1: place when nuts. They had like a fifteen to twenty
Speaker 1: second chant that they had to edit. It's just silence
Speaker 1: for like twenty straight seconds, and then Moose says, hate
Speaker 1: to burst your bubble. I'm the one guy you can't
Speaker 1: rule over. And they have not announced a date yet,
Speaker 1: but this match is gonna happen, and next week we're
Speaker 1: gonna get Moose in action in Cincinnati against Brian Pillman
Speaker 1: Junior for the X Division title, so that should be exciting.
Speaker 3: Have we seen that at any point over the years.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But all I know is all they
Speaker 1: had to do was look at each other and tease
Speaker 1: a match, and this place was going wild. We didn't
Speaker 1: need a brawl, we didn't need like anything. It was
Speaker 1: simple and it was perfect and.
Speaker 3: We will not need the Heritage Cup on the line.
Speaker 3: It won't be.
Speaker 1: Stupid Ariage Cup. Then we had I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go over every single segment. I know people get mad,
Speaker 1: but that's what Thursday's for, and we have five minutes.
Speaker 1: We had Carmen, Kolani and Jada in a three way
Speaker 1: number one contenders match for the North American title, and hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about it like there's good and bad.
Speaker 1: The good thing is the fans went nuts for this match.
Speaker 1: They saw him as three stars fighting. The negative is
Speaker 1: that it is a developmental match and as a result,
Speaker 1: it was just a completely choreographed three way There's like
Speaker 1: no life to it. It's just i'll do a spot,
Speaker 1: you do a spot. I'll do a spot. You do
Speaker 1: a spot, you do a counter. I'll do a spot.
Speaker 1: And then at the end, which was funny. Actually, Jada
Speaker 1: Parker does sit down spot in the corner on Uklanie
Speaker 1: and then she does her high step gimmick and then
Speaker 1: she's high stepping. Carmen sneaks in and pins Klannie and
Speaker 1: wins and Chetah. Parker is very angry and even Booker's
Speaker 1: like she got she distracted herself. Booker, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know tonight he had some moments, but you
Speaker 1: know what, he was also good. He was good in
Speaker 1: a lot of spots and on a weekly basis, I
Speaker 1: get way more, way more irritated by Vic Joseph than
Speaker 1: I do. Booker t and this night was no exception.
Speaker 1: And then they had the most hilarious moment ever. So
Speaker 1: there's a brawl afterwards. Jade and Colonie start brawling and uh,
Speaker 1: this is an outcome, j C, Jasmine and Fallon and
Speaker 1: they start beating up Klon and Ashanti. The Adonis is
Speaker 1: there and he goes hell, hell, and they go to commercial.
Speaker 1: They beat on her for four minutes during that commercial break.
Speaker 1: And then after they've beaten on her for four minutes
Speaker 1: during the commercial break, in run the babyfaces Jordan and
Speaker 1: Uh and Julia or Stephanie or whoever, and Vic Joson
Speaker 1: goes right in the nick of time. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: they've been beating her for four minutes. That's right in
Speaker 1: the nick of time.
Speaker 3: Stephanie's intro and music like Ava, Why are you letting
Speaker 3: get beaten like dying.
Speaker 7: Dying?
Speaker 1: Yeah, good job, Ashanti. He can't even I know you
Speaker 1: can't hit the other women like but dude, pick her
Speaker 1: up and take her to the back, dude. He Then
Speaker 1: we have Soul and Tzaria versus Jakara and lash which
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was expecting, but it was
Speaker 1: far better than whatever I was expecting. My only negative,
Speaker 1: which I've said a thousand times, and you know the
Speaker 1: answer I got today was it doesn't matter anymore, which
Speaker 1: I guess is probably right. But why is Carmen Why
Speaker 1: is Soul Ruka straightening her hair? Okay, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Her regular hair is distinctive, number one, and in this
Speaker 1: business you want to be distinctive, you want to stand out.
Speaker 1: And number two, her normal hair is surfer hair, and
Speaker 1: she's got a surfer gimmick. But now she straightened it.
Speaker 1: And I swear to God, if you watch this match
Speaker 1: and she looks exactly like Charlotte. She's in there looking
Speaker 1: like Charlotte. You know we don't need two Charlotte's back
Speaker 1: in the moment.
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Speaker 1: I don't have the time to finishing at the XT
Speaker 1: report today, but uh we do have Ethan Paige and
Speaker 1: Wes Lee versus Ricky Saints and Javon Evans next week.
Speaker 1: I love that match the Hardys Hardy's. The Hardys will
Speaker 1: be on NXT and they will be facing uh uh
Speaker 1: no Corter, catch crew, those ten boys and yes, yes,
Speaker 1: if that's you texting me right now, stop it. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to wrap this show up.
Speaker 3: No, not you.
Speaker 1: And Fatal Influence Julian Jordan and Stephanie was the main event,
Speaker 1: which ended with the baby Faces winning Jordan's finished Made
Speaker 1: in Japan which is the zame As Penta and then
Speaker 1: all three women celebrated, but you could see that they
Speaker 1: were staring each other down and by the way throughout
Speaker 1: the show, the new group the debuted the pay per
Speaker 1: view beating people up. They were beating people up throughout
Speaker 1: the show, and of course that had to be the
Speaker 1: Koudi gras on the show. The show ends with more
Speaker 1: geeks beaten up and Ava goes in and she doesn't
Speaker 1: know what happened. Of course you don't. It was the
Speaker 1: mystery geeks. It's been happening in the whole show.
Speaker 3: I gotta be honest, very clean spray painting on the
Speaker 3: wall for somebody in a hurry.
Speaker 1: Oh you also, you know what else?
Speaker 3: You know what else?
Speaker 1: Vick was driving me nuts about God, this whole show. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was like there was no card, Like throughout the show,
Speaker 1: the wrestlers are just coming out and making matches for later,
Speaker 1: like the main event was made on the fly and like,
Speaker 1: and Vick's like, busy night for Ava.
Speaker 3: Like, no, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's the opposite. She doesn't have to do anything. Everyone
Speaker 1: else is booking the matches. She did'n have a card.
Speaker 1: What do you mean it's a busy night for Ava.
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