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Speaker 1: by Nate Newton. I am joined somewhere in the metroplex

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Speaker 1: by representing one oh five three the fan Eric Cia

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Speaker 1: follow how you do it? Eric, fantastic gentleman. How's it

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Speaker 1: going going great? Going great? And then also somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the metroplex, my current co worker, former Dallas Cowboys Special

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Speaker 1: team's ace, former Chicago Bear, former safety. So we to

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Speaker 1: talk defense tonight. Danny McCray. Oh, hey, appreciate the one.

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Speaker 1: Welcome man, But you made it sound like I'm getting fired.

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Speaker 1: I'm your current something's happened in a couple of weeks. Yes, yes, well,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Cowboys Crosstalk. We're normally on Wednesday night, but

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Speaker 1: we have moved to Monday because the show is so great.

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Speaker 1: The fan wanted to kick off your weekend your week right,

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Speaker 1: and moved us to Monday so we can we got

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Speaker 1: flexed soon. We got flex We got flexed in the

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Speaker 1: prime time. And Danny you are our first guest and Eric,

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Speaker 1: you are our first fan representative to be in this

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Speaker 1: new Monday night spot. So you guys should feel honored.

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Speaker 1: And we got a lot to talk about because guess

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Speaker 1: what's Guess what Nate Cowboys at going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: All they gotta do is win two win two down

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Speaker 1: that man, the football team. The football team loses too.

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Speaker 1: We win too. We end. We went forward to close

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Speaker 1: out the seas, we got some momentum going to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bow. We're going to Tampa. What you think about that,

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Speaker 1: Eric possibility? Oh man, I really want to get on

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Speaker 1: that super Bowl hype train, believe me. But hey, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what the playoffs. Playoffs can happen right now.

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Speaker 1: All we need is Washington to not win another game,

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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys got two winnable games coming up there

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Speaker 1: if they're able to force some turnovers like they have

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. You got a rookie quarterback

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Speaker 1: Giants with Daniel Jones unless it's called McCoy. But assuming

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is starting, we all know that he's pretty

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Speaker 1: turnover prone as well. So hey, there's a chance, boys,

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Speaker 1: there's a chance. And so Danny, back to you. I'll

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Speaker 1: want to hear that. So now coming back to you,

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Speaker 1: what tell us what before we get your opinion on playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Tell us what you're doing. Are you living in the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Fort Worth area? Are you somewhere else? What are

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Speaker 1: you doing for work? What's going on? I think you

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Speaker 1: got some stuff that's going on in your personal life

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Speaker 1: that's kind of a big deal. The last couple of

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Speaker 1: months catch us up to speed. Man. Of course you

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Speaker 1: know all this, so so for everybody who doesn't know.

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Speaker 1: So now I'm working back with the Cowboys. I running

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Speaker 1: the youth camp program. So every every camp that you

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Speaker 1: the guy. So that's what I'm doing. Work wise. I

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Speaker 1: also do a Players Lounge podcast every weekday at two

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Speaker 1: thirty from two thirty three fifteen, just me and Barry Church. Yeah, Church,

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Speaker 1: talk me about you. You missed to know it all.

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Speaker 1: You missed to know it all? Yeah Church, that's my boy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, hey man, you don't know it all. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you don't know it all? Church, know it all. Start

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Speaker 1: and uh just recently September twenty second, twenty twenty, uh,

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Speaker 1: coffee machine, okay, yeah, man, I do all the flavored

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Speaker 1: coffee and all that. Now, anything to keep you up.

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Speaker 1: I'm good working. Congratulations man, congratulations. So well, what's your

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Speaker 1: take you you've been keeping up? You've been You're on

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Speaker 1: the second best podcast on Dallas cowboys dot com, right

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Speaker 1: behind Hanging with the Boys, which um Nate Newton and

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Speaker 1: best of the rest. But um, what is your take

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Speaker 1: And I guess as long as it's a possibility, and

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Speaker 1: hard and see how the chips fall. So you're saying

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Speaker 1: If Winston's quarterbacking, I would say yes. But Winston's not quarterbacking,

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Speaker 1: And I don't have that big of a head. Y'all exaggerate.

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Speaker 1: everybody else. So that's that's good what you just said them.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's very good question. I understanding you the host,

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Speaker 1: I do an answer. No, no, no, you go go.

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Speaker 1: This is your show. You are the special alumni guest.

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Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want on this show. Makes

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Speaker 1: my job easier because because I feel the same way

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Speaker 1: about Zeke, That's why I mentioned. You know, when Tony

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Speaker 1: Pollard got in, then all of a sudden you started

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Speaker 1: seeing this creative stuff and then finding ways to really

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Speaker 1: get it in his hands. The whole first drive was

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Speaker 1: Tony Poler's drive, and I'm saying, if Kellen can find

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Speaker 1: a way to do that with Tony Pollard, that he

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Speaker 1: can find a way to do that with Zeke, and

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Speaker 1: he can find a way to do that with a

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Speaker 1: Mariy Cooper. And it makes me wonder if they don't

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Speaker 1: believe that Zeke has the same seal skill set as

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard. And we've seen Zeke be able to do

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Speaker 1: this stuff, so I know, I know he can. And

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Speaker 1: it's perplexing to me, like, like I feel like Nate,

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Speaker 1: like what is really going on? Because you know that

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Speaker 1: Kellen can call these plays and get these players involved,

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Speaker 1: but what you see a game in and game out

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Speaker 1: game out is just not happening. Eric, what's your opinion

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Speaker 1: on Kellen Moore and the play calling the whole body

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Speaker 1: of work this season? For the most part, I think

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore has been a bright spot. I understand what

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Speaker 1: you guys are saying in terms of, especially yesterday, not

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Speaker 1: getting a Mary Cooper involved and having Noah Brown getting

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Speaker 1: more targets than a Mariy Cooper. That'll never ever ever

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Speaker 1: make sense to me. Now. I don't know that we've

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Speaker 1: seen that a ton throughout this season. I think Amari

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Speaker 1: Cooper has been one of these guys that I mean,

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Speaker 1: we just got the Pro Bowl voting now, and I

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Speaker 1: was surprised that maybe a Mari Cooper didn't make the list.

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Speaker 1: I know we got a ton of great wide receivers

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, but Amari Cooper's had a really strong season.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday was one of those weird games where just seems

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Speaker 1: like that they were not trying to get him the ball,

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Speaker 1: and so that was frustrating. But in general, I think

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore has done a nice job this year, and

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Speaker 1: it's been tough on him because because of the lack

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Speaker 1: of talent on the offensive line, you're trying to hide

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Speaker 1: your quarterback at times, especially when you got Ben Denucci

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Speaker 1: in there. You got a young Garrett Gilbert, so you're

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Speaker 1: trying to do things differently. Obviously, the offense would look

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Speaker 1: totally different, and I think Kellen Moore would call it

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Speaker 1: a lot more with probably being less conservative if you

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Speaker 1: had the offensive line, if you had all the weapons,

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Speaker 1: and of course Dak Prescott so, but in general, I

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Speaker 1: think Kellen Moore has been strong this year. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't have a ton to complain about. And when

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Speaker 1: it comes to getting Zeke involved, I mean, the fellas,

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Speaker 1: are you guys not seeing the same thing that I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing in terms of I know, Danny, we've seen Zeke

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Speaker 1: do it in the past, I mean when he was

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Speaker 1: in college his rookie year, part of his second year.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that's the same Ezekie Elliott anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he doesn't look like a natural pass

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Speaker 1: catcher to me, like Tony Pollard. Tony Pollard played wide

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Speaker 1: receiver in college, so he's obviously cut from that cloth.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Zeke out of the backfield looks overly natural.

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Speaker 1: H and and he certainly doesn't have the same level

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Speaker 1: of explosion. There was a play that they threw to

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard right at the line of scrimmage, and he

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Speaker 1: went and got thirty yards on it. And I thought

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Speaker 1: to myself as soon as I saw that play, Zeke

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Speaker 1: maybe gets fifteen out of that. And and I just

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, Nate, if you disagree, please no, okay,

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Speaker 1: hang on oka, hang on Let's go to break because

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Speaker 1: Nate Zeke is Nate's guy, he has been his guy

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Speaker 1: all year, and I know Nate's got He's got a

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Speaker 1: lot to say about this. I don't want to cut

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Speaker 1: him short. I want you to have plenty of time

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Speaker 1: to talk about this, and Danny, I want you to

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Speaker 1: have plenty of time to defend your position on what's

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Speaker 1: been happening. So let's take our next break. When we

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Speaker 1: come back, let's get into little Zeke talk. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to the Eagles eventually, a game when when this coach

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Speaker 1: started coaching better. Okay, Philadelphia could count the games back?

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Speaker 1: Will in this break? Thank you for kell Okay, do that,

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Speaker 1: Nate and Danny go go count on er Oh, Eric,

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Speaker 1: you go count. Okay, we're gonna make your nose bleed.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take our next break. We will

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Speaker 1: be back. You are listening to Cowboys Cross Talk on

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Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. I might need to grab

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Speaker 1: my microphone, so I'm gonna do this. This is radio,

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Speaker 1: not a podcast. I'm used to doing the used to

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Speaker 1: doing these old WebEx and not having to use a

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Speaker 1: mic oh. Shanny Gross here live the s WBC Mortgage Studio, Frisco, Texas,

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Speaker 1: alongside Nate Newton, alongside socially distanced with plexiglass in between us,

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Speaker 1: Danny McCrae, our very special guest and Cowboys alumni player

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Speaker 1: today of the Players Lounge podcast on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I want to get into that a little bit later too,

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Speaker 1: because you second best podcast, the second best podcast on

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com, next to Hanging with the Boys,

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Speaker 1: and then Eric Schia follow from the Nosebleed seats one

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Speaker 1: oh five three the Fan, and I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you before we get into I got a couple of

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Speaker 1: questions for Nate. Zeke's gonna be one of them. I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the offensive line. But Eric, how

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Speaker 1: do you feel about us invading you and Zach Space

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Speaker 1: used to be for an hour every Wednesday. Now they

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Speaker 1: moved us to Monday, and we're still in your times

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Speaker 1: your time spot. Do you do there's some anks right

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Speaker 1: here that we need to deal with before we continue

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Speaker 1: the show, or you guys, okay, we're sharing an hour

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Speaker 1: of your program with this once a week or that's

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Speaker 1: going on. You know, I think my co host, Walt

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Speaker 1: Chuck might have been a little bit upset about it.

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Speaker 1: He was, he was probably a little bit more angry

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Speaker 1: about it, But but then he got on with you guys,

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Speaker 1: and he's like, you know what, that Shannon's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: He's got a pretty incredible beard. And then and then

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Speaker 1: he was like, man, that Nate News pretty special. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know who the guest you guys had on

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Speaker 1: the night that Waltchuck was on with you, but I

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Speaker 1: know it was a cowboy legend. And Walt Chuck has

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Speaker 1: the blue star flu, if you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So he's got he's got no problem kicking back and

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Speaker 1: listening to you guys for an hour each and every

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Speaker 1: Monday or Wednesday, whatever it may be. We're happy to

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Speaker 1: have you boys. Awesome, awesome, And then you guys are

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Speaker 1: on right after us tonight, right, yes, sir, yes sir?

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Speaker 1: What are y'all talking about tonight? Y'all know? Yet? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Who might just wing it? You know? I think maybe

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Speaker 1: talk a little cowboys, you know, maybe a little football. Yeah, hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: here's Nate. I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, Nate. There there have been there were times,

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Speaker 1: particularly early on, like it felt like when when Dak

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Speaker 1: went down and it seemed like the offense became much

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Speaker 1: more conservative for a little while. And and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that was Mike McCarthy coming down to Kellen's

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Speaker 1: office and saying, hey, this is kind of the direction

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Speaker 1: I want us to go here, or if that was

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Speaker 1: all Kellen's doing, But there have been times, and I'm

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Speaker 1: curious if you feel the same way in terms of

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Speaker 1: the persistent running on the early downs. The first and

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Speaker 1: ten run where you get one yard or it's now

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Speaker 1: second and nine and we're running the ball for one

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Speaker 1: yard setting yourself up for third and long is not

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Speaker 1: something that I have enjoyed from Kellen Moore. And I know,

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Speaker 1: particularly early on once Dak went down, they were trying

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Speaker 1: to find their footing, find themselves offensively, and that was

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Speaker 1: certainly something that I was not overly I didn't really

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Speaker 1: like about the offense. But I think as of late,

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Speaker 1: and you mentioned the Eagles game, there's been sort of

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Speaker 1: a turnaround I think as a whole for the season,

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Speaker 1: especially when you look at the ingredients he's had to

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Speaker 1: work with. I think Kellen Moore has done a decent job.

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Speaker 1: What I'd like to see more pre snap motion. What

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Speaker 1: I like to see an innovative rushing attack like you

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Speaker 1: saw from Kyle Shanahan and the Niners and using a

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Speaker 1: fullback and doing all these different things where you have

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Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh and Jalen Smith's eyes just I mean, their

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Speaker 1: heads are spinning. They don't know where the ball is.

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Speaker 1: I would love to have that in this offense. But

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Speaker 1: based on what they do, I mean, I think Kellen's

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Speaker 1: done a decent job this year. And what I mean

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Speaker 1: by that is you got a guy come from Texas

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Speaker 1: A and m a right tackle. He's been playing poorly.

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Speaker 1: You open up a game now, no alternat And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that he's no alternat because he does not

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Speaker 1: have that experience yet. But when I'm a right tackle

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Speaker 1: and I'm going against Reggie White, Okay, that's what that

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Speaker 1: kid from from from from Cleveland was, that was Reggie

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Speaker 1: White to him. We didn't start the game. We waggle,

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Speaker 1: we booted, we put tight ends over there. They gave

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Speaker 1: me a chance to get a rhythm before before Reggie

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Speaker 1: White tossed me on my neck. They didn't get this, dude,

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Speaker 1: no help. I'm like, come, did Atlanta not teach you anything?

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Speaker 1: You don't make the same mistakes over and over and

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Speaker 1: over and over. You help your players by not killing

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Speaker 1: their confidence, but by building their confidence. You You, you

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Speaker 1: got a Marie Cooper standing out there like underdog, beware

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Speaker 1: the dog's hair. Okay, but I'll stand out of here

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Speaker 1: all right, waiting to be tossed the bone. You got

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Speaker 1: Zeke in the backfield. You're not innovative with him. So

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is he finally adjusted in the Philadelphia game, Like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we have to adjust to what we have on our

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Speaker 1: officive line, our backfield. We should never be held with

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Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb in the slot. It's nowhere in the world

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Speaker 1: that we should ever be stopped, not with Ceedee Lamb

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Speaker 1: in the slot. Now this was called from last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Ceedee Lamb never because you got dogs on the outside.

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Speaker 1: You got dogs on the outside. And I'm and I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking about with Ben Denucci now that that was

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Speaker 1: that was that didn't work. That was a blower, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about even with the kid who

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Speaker 1: I like Gilber, but once our quarterback, who is in

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Speaker 1: the now, and we should never be stopped. I don't

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Speaker 1: care if we do play a number one ready defense.

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Speaker 1: We should never be stopp Now. We may not getting

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Speaker 1: the rids on the score, we may get three instid

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Speaker 1: of six, but we should now be stopped. Not with

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Speaker 1: these receivers. Mamari Cooper is an elite do I sometimes like,

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Speaker 1: where's Amari? Is it? The coach fault? Is his fault?

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Speaker 1: Let's erase that's okay, that's a Mari fault because they've

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Speaker 1: given him eighteen thousand targets a game. Let's know who

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Speaker 1: fault it is. That's all I'm saying, Man, tell him

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Speaker 1: growing just not fast enough. And to your point on

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland game, that was coaching male practice. But but

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Speaker 1: I felt like, how much of that is on Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: for one, starting Terrence Steel when I think all of

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Speaker 1: us were going Zach Martin's available. We saw what he

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Speaker 1: did in the Seattle game. He can clearly kick over

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Speaker 1: place and tackle. That was that was a huge issue.

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Speaker 1: But then but when you start the game, isn't that

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Speaker 1: stuff Nate where you're you're kind of that that stuff

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Speaker 1: is pre planned. Don't they script that kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: if you're like McCarthy. But right, right, so, how how

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Speaker 1: much does Mike McCarthy need to get blamed for that?

639
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: You're an offensive guy, you're you're a head coach, and

640
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: you should be able to walk over to your young

641
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore and say, hey, listen, we probably shouldn't do

642
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: that on the third play of the game against the

643
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: best pass rusher in the sport and a guy that

644
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: we're starting at tackle who was undrafted and probably shouldn't

645
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: be on the field if we're being honest with ourselves.

646
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: So that's on Kellen Moore. But I also think that

647
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: has to go on Mike McCarthy as well. Those those

648
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: plays are scripted. I know Mike McCarthy's part of the

649
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: game plan, so he let that just just just fly? Okay, Well,

650
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean we can all take off for whoever we won't,

651
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, we got they can always get blamed, all right,

652
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: So you're taking enough? Yeah? Out, what do you think? Danny?

653
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Speaker 1: Jump in here, Danny, I want your opinion. I don't listen. Listen.

654
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: I played with kell and Keller's a cool guy man,

655
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: but I think he makes some questionable decisions and and

656
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: for for all of the the boys state let's be

657
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: creative and all that. I just don't. I don't. I

658
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: don't see it. I don't think it's happening. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: I think that he should be able to be a

660
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Speaker 1: little bit more creative because that's what he was brought

661
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: in to do. And some of the stuff that we

662
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: blamed on Jason Garrett having his hands on last year,

663
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: Kelly Morris doing some of the same stuff. So the

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Speaker 1: blame to me is going on killing back to Mary Cooper.

665
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: If you have a fourth in inches, if you are

666
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: going to decide not to give the ball to your

667
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: ninety million dollar running back to get that fourth and inches,

668
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: you're not going to throw the ball to CD Lab.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna throw it to the guy that you're paying

670
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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. This goes back to the beginning

671
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Speaker 1: of the year when you had a guy running across

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Speaker 1: the route as a rookie. I think it was fourth

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Speaker 1: and three, and the guy that was running this route,

674
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: it's a rookie versus you're one hundred million dollar guy.

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00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: To me, when you're drawing up these plays, that's the

676
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: type of stuff to me, that doesn't make sense and

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00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: you have to take owners for that. Now, Yeah, Mike

678
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: McCarthy might have something to do with it, but we

679
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: know going into this, Mike McCarthy said that he's stepping

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Speaker 1: back and he's giving Kelly Moore the opportunity to do this,

681
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: and that goes throughout the whole team because I think

682
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: he gives the special team's coach the opportunity to call

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Speaker 1: whatever he wants to call. That's why we've been seeing

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Speaker 1: all these crazy fake punts. And he gives Ellen Moore

685
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to call whatever you want to call an

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Speaker 1: offense and that's why we see some of this stuff

687
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Speaker 1: going going the way it's going. And more important, did

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Speaker 1: he sing in the group with with Colombo them when

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Speaker 1: need to lead sing in free Rein? They gave him

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Speaker 1: free Rein to hell too. Yeah, different guy but good content. Okay. Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 1: like I said, Kellen Buns not a bad guy. He

692
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Speaker 1: does do some great man. But if if if I'm

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Speaker 1: the owner, like specifically, if I'm the owner and I'm

694
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Speaker 1: coming down here and I'm paying ninety million and I'm

695
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: paying the Mark Cooper one hundred million, you are going

696
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: to find a way to get these guys the ball.

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00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: And every time you get a Mark Cooper the ball,

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00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: you see any game where he's involved, we make big

699
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Speaker 1: plays on offense. We've been lucky to get short fields

700
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: these last couple of games because the turnovers. But when

701
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Speaker 1: when we're forced to make those long drives and have

702
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: to continue to make big plays or Mark Cooper is

703
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: going to have to be involved? Who Who's whose job

704
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: is it? Is it the head coach's job to talk

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00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: to Kellen and say, we got we have to do this.

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Speaker 1: This like stop doing what you're doing and you gotta

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Speaker 1: do this. Who has that conversation? Well, if it's not

708
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: favorite coach, who the heck is it gonna be. You're

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Speaker 1: the head coach for a reason. You're the super Bowl guy,

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Speaker 1: You're the You're that you're supposed to be, mister offense. Right,

711
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: you're the one who sat back and watched you. Man.

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00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, Mike, I love you too, Date,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I mean, wow, that guy. Listen to

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Speaker 1: the nose please night. Once you get on the roll, man,

715
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: you just believe in that stuff. I'm gonna just keep

716
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: pounding it. I'm gonna keep what was the show with it.

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00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: The cosmes remind me of his son. He just goes

718
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: rambling THEO. You just like THEO. Just go ahead. So

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Speaker 1: you don't agree with that name, Nate, Nate, you're Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: You're a super Bowl winning head coach. You are an

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Speaker 1: offensive mind, and you know that your offensive court he

722
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: was doing something wrong you it's it's your extra, mister Jones.

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Speaker 1: He looked over. I would not give up my offensive

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Speaker 1: play calling duties. I've done it once before. He said

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00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: it in greenback. That is my strength. A week. Oh yeah, well,

726
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Speaker 1: I look at that take on kell He does a

727
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: great job man. Two weeks into the training camp. I

728
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Speaker 1: just back up and that Kellen just had man and

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00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: go ahead on count. But when you're the head coach, Nate,

730
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: it's gotta be on you. If he's a defensive different,

731
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: be on him. I agree with you. He comes every week.

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00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: I noticed the last few weeks his hat happening right here,

733
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: laughing has kind of been up here. We can see

734
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Speaker 1: his eyes and see a limit of light. But just

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00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: amitted team weeks right with the ad. So, Nate, Nate,

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Speaker 1: you're Mike McCarthy and and you know that Kellen Moore

737
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Speaker 1: has got a crappy set of scripted plays against Myles Garrett.

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Speaker 1: You're you're not gonna go knock on his door and

739
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: say we need to change some things. You're just gonna

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00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: let him in off his line coach him. Coach, absolutely so.

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00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: But but you're the head coach, Nate, and you're the

742
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: offensive mind, and you're the Super Bowl champ, so you're

743
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: so you're not gonna walk down to his office and say, hey,

744
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: we gotta I'll get my fun again. Man, you need

745
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: to come over to the big dog off. We ain't

746
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: running that, thank you. That's Nate. But I don't think

747
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: mister Jones gonna hire me. I'm not to say this

748
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: is what you're hiring me for. Mc craig. Speak up

749
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: now if I'm wrong, tell me no, you're right. But

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00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: we're fifteen now, I'm McCarthy. I'm not following that sword

751
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: now killing it's yours all right? And next year, next year,

752
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: when they asked me what we're wrong, say, I gave

753
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: up a play calling duties and this year I'm taking

754
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: the owners and I'm calling the places. But I'm not

755
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: following that sword now. It's too late, it's too many

756
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: issues that we've seen and if you got to answer

757
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: these questions as a head coach, then you have an issue.

758
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: M all right, And we have to take a commercial

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00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: break because we don't because we don't have any issues. Yes,

760
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't want issues. So we're gonna take

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00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: our break when we're supposed to so I don't get

762
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: in trouble by the producer. How's that said? Okay with you? Nate? Yeah?

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00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: I mean I thought everyone was our producer. Eric's our

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00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: guest name. Eric is our guest. He's not our producers.

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Speaker 1: This man show you. We're gonna take our last break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna get to Cowboys, Eagles

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00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: and Danny McCrae. How did you get into the podcasting

768
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: sports cowboys talk business, because I don't think you wanted

769
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: any part of that at the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 1: But you know what, you're doing a pretty good job

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00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: at it. I want to see how you got into that,

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00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: what you think about it, Dad, and maybe a few

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Speaker 1: Players Lounge on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Danny, you took

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Speaker 1: this job to head up football camps and then somehow

786
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: when the season started you got sucked into being on

787
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: a podcast. And I don't think you wanted to have

788
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: any part of it. How did that happen? And are

789
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: you enjoying it? Because you do a good job. You

790
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: do a really good job. That's a fun show you

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00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: guys have going on over there with you in church

792
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: and who else is on that show with you? I

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00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: love new he knew such a great how'd that happened?

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00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: You like it? Uh? Yeah? Listen? When when I got here,

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00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: I had no intenses on being on any podcast is

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00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: doing any radio and uh, you know, so I came

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Speaker 1: in and then Barry Church started coming around the building

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00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: just a little bit more and uh Darry sauce and

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Speaker 1: he was like, hey, man, I think you guys, you guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, you guys have a good relationship. That the

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00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: way you guys talk to each other, the vans and

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00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: all that is really cool. I think you guys will

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00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: be good on the podcast. So I was like, listen,

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00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: if Church is down, I'm down right because I'm more

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00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: comfortable as long as one of my friends on there.

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00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: You know, me and Barry Church came in together. We

807
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: were only too undrafted, uh rookies our first year at safety,

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00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: so we both made the team. So we've have been

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00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: through a lot together. So as long as he was

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00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: on there, I was good. And then uh we you know,

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Speaker 1: it was just then we've been going and it's it's fun, man.

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Speaker 1: It's fun because I get to I get to talk

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Speaker 1: to Church more, and you know, I'm getting to know

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Speaker 1: newy Uh. You know, we get to laughing joke, especially

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Speaker 1: in this time to where we're not really getting to

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00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: go outside and being around people. This is this is

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Speaker 1: kind of a kind of a good thing for the situation.

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Speaker 1: Quick question, because you're not too far removed from the

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00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: league and not too far removed from this team, and

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00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: we talk a lot on our show about culture and

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00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: the building and things like that, and you know, needing

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Speaker 1: new players to change the culture. What's your opinion and

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00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: thought on kind of how do you get how do

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00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: you change direction when you know obviously these team hasn't

825
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: hasn't had good success in the playoffs in a really

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00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: long time. They've been hit or miss here or there.

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Speaker 1: What's your opinion on how you change the way things

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Speaker 1: are being done? How do you get back to winning?

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Speaker 1: How do you get back? Listen? I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of times when when you go into looking at teams

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Speaker 1: and that wins and losses, you look at teams like

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Speaker 1: the Patriots and the Seahawks and those guys who have

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00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: been successful for for the last ten years, and you

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Speaker 1: start to think that it's really easy to be that way.

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Speaker 1: It is not so when you when you get those

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Speaker 1: towns where the dads called a game, where you just

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Speaker 1: one play away from really doing something special, or you

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Speaker 1: get Zeke and Back's first year where you really a

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Speaker 1: few players away from doing something special. Those are big

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Speaker 1: moments um and you can try to capitalize on that

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Speaker 1: and keep it going, but sometimes it just doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: And I think bringing Mike McCarthy here, that the intention

843
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: was good for the first year, but COVID hit. We

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Speaker 1: had a lot of situations to where you know, players

845
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: weren't able to be together or not a lot of

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00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: new coaches trying to get this thing going, and we

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Speaker 1: see the result of it to some extent now, some

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Speaker 1: of it as players have to take on us and

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Speaker 1: they have to take control of the locker room and

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Speaker 1: they have to hold people accountable. And I think in

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Speaker 1: the situation this year, we've seen, you know, things not

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Speaker 1: be that way. You've seen anonymous sources come out talking,

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Speaker 1: You've seen players come out saying we don't have to

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Speaker 1: hustle you know, every play, and those when those type

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Speaker 1: of things come come along, that's when you need a change.

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Speaker 1: And I think they came with guys getting let go,

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Speaker 1: guys getting fired, and I think you've seen a fire

858
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Speaker 1: lit onto some of these guys ever since then, like

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Speaker 1: you said, and they things have turned around every since

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Speaker 1: you know, Pole got let go and Walley was out

861
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Speaker 1: of here. Guys realized they were playing for their job.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's the first way to get the start,

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Speaker 1: to let everybody know we're serious about this. And if

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Speaker 1: you're not on the train, then then you can catch

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Speaker 1: a bus taking home. All right, let's shift gears. I've

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Speaker 1: been promising the whole show we were gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: the Eagles. Let's get to it. Eric, you've got your Eagles,

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Speaker 1: Kelly Green on or someone actually, just Chris Beam, our

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Speaker 1: wonderful producer on hanging with the boys and the players

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Speaker 1: A loud said, you're actually a Dolphins fan, and that's

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Speaker 1: why you might have so much anst against Allamore or

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Speaker 1: you might be on Kella Moore's side, is because you

873
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Speaker 1: just want to see the Cowboys fall apart. But what

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Speaker 1: do you think we're gonna see here with the Eagles

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Speaker 1: coming to town this weekend. Well, it's certainly gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: The divisional games are always are always interesting. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of bad blood. I know Cowboys fans. For the

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00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: most part, it seems like the Eagles are the number

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00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: one team that they want to beat every single year.

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00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: So to me, it's gonna come down to how do

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Speaker 1: you how do you take care of the football offensively.

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00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: And the Eagles force three turnovers against the Cardinals. That's

883
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Speaker 1: really what kept them in the game yesterday, and they

884
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: didn't turn the ball over at all. Now, Jalen Hurts

885
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: still had three fumbles, he just recovered them all or

886
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Speaker 1: the Eagles recovered them all. He didn't have any turnovers.

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Speaker 1: So if you can force some turnovers, maybe maybe get

888
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Speaker 1: a fumble on Jalen Hurts something like that, But you

889
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: got to be able to take care of the ball.

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Speaker 1: And how do you defend Jalen Hurts with him and

891
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: his rushing ability and only having a couple of games

892
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: on tape to really study him, Danny, you can probably

893
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Speaker 1: attest to how much more difficult that makes it, or

894
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: maybe I'm overstating it, but you only have a couple

895
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Speaker 1: of games of film on Jalen Hurts, so that the

896
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: offense certainly looks a lot different with Hurts running in

897
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Speaker 1: than it did with Carson Wentz and what Doug Peterson

898
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Speaker 1: wants to do there. So how do you defend Hurts

899
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Speaker 1: and his rushing ability? And then can you force any turnovers?

900
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Speaker 1: And are you gonna take care of the football, Nate,

901
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: you don't have a whole lot of hope with Jalen

902
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Speaker 1: Hurts at the Helm. What do you think? No, this

903
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Speaker 1: is this is my issue. This is my issue. This

904
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: is my issue. This is my issue. What's your issue?

905
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: This is my issue? And this made me get mad

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Speaker 1: at Zeke. This is Jalen Hurts is a fumbler. Go

907
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: back to ou last year. He's a fumbler. I watched

908
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Speaker 1: him in this game. He's a fumbler. I'm every chance

909
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Speaker 1: I get, I'm hitting him. I'm hitting them moms man,

910
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm tagging them moms. He's he's gonna fumble the ball.

911
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: You just gotta be when it when it pops free,

912
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: you gotta go. You gotta be like a shark. They

913
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Speaker 1: call it charm. You gotta be a feeding frenzy. He's

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Speaker 1: a fumbler. Watch now, come on, Wilson, Danny, what are

915
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Speaker 1: you expecting to see this weekend? Uh? Listen, it's tough, man,

916
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Speaker 1: because you know, the one thing we haven't been able

917
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Speaker 1: to do all season to stop the run. And uh,

918
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Speaker 1: you know, Jalen Hurts is bringing another dynamic of the

919
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Speaker 1: running game Miles Sanders have been able to to. I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying, man like like Miles Standard is having a

921
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Speaker 1: rough year, and then Jalen Hurts gets in there and

922
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's another spark. Yes, it's just

923
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Speaker 1: more problems for our defense. And Jalen Hurts, even though

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Speaker 1: he fumbles, he's been out there making some serious play.

925
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Speaker 1: So I think for us we need to we need

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Speaker 1: to force him to make long drives. Usually those rookies,

927
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Speaker 1: those young guys, when you forced them to make tick

928
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Speaker 1: go to any loving plays, they end up making a mistake.

929
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Speaker 1: You have to stay in your rush lanes and for

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Speaker 1: all be it defensive backs, do not let him throw

931
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Speaker 1: the bone over your head. And I think we have

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Speaker 1: a good chance of probably not stopping them and playing

933
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Speaker 1: that ben, but don't break defense, and I think I

934
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Speaker 1: think that will help us in our offense. Get nineteen involved. Eric,

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Speaker 1: I know it's Monday. I don't want to put you

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Speaker 1: on the spot. So if you don't want to, if

937
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Speaker 1: you don't want to go into it this early in

938
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Speaker 1: the week and ruin your show on the nosebleed seats

939
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Speaker 1: the rest of the week, it's okay. Do you have

940
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Speaker 1: a prediction for the game that's coming week? Yeah? Who

941
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Speaker 1: Miami playing? Because that's what you're really like. Yeah, we

942
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: got a tough one Saturday night against the Raiders. Baby

943
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 1: forward for two us. Let me go. I do think

944
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Speaker 1: that ultimately the Cowboys are too dependent on forcing turnovers

945
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: in order to win football games. So my guess is

946
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Speaker 1: they won't be able to force the two or three

947
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Speaker 1: turnovers where they're able to convert those into easy points.

948
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Speaker 1: And so I'll just say that the Eagles end up

949
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Speaker 1: getting the victory here and Jalen Hurts probably runs for it.

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Speaker 1: For a nice day. Let's go. Let's go to twenty

951
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: four twenty Nate, Who you are a Nate? Go ahead on, man,

952
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm through. I'm through any who you got? Man? Come on, man,

953
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: I don't do my pick until Friday. On the players

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Speaker 1: loud to you, I'm picking the Eagles. I I gotta

955
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: think more to it. On the score, listen, Nate, I

956
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: can't lose, all right, if the Cowboys win, I'm good.

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00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: There you goes, I'm right there you go. Listen. My

958
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: heart has been broken fifteen seconds. Who you got Nation? Sorry, Nate, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I froze Cowboys, baby Cowboys, but you gotta buy half

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00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: a point or a point. Hey, whatever it takes, baby,

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Speaker 1: all right, hey fellas, this has been great. Eric, thanks

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Speaker 1: for letting us invade your spot tonight. Danny, good seeing

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Speaker 1: you man. Hope to see you soon in person. Nate,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Will be back, same time, same place, next wins.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network.

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