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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome, and I'm Doug Gottlieban. This is All Ball.

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Speaker 1: come in the meantime. Let me get to uh my

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Speaker 1: guest today. Okay, at the time of this recording, the

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Speaker 1: first round of the Sweet Sixteen happened last night. Gonzaga

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Speaker 1: goes down, Arizona goes down. A guy who used to

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Speaker 1: compete against Arizona is at u c l A. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's coached at essentially every level a Division one college basketball,

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Speaker 1: got to the tournament at every level a Division one

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Speaker 1: college basketball. Mark Gottfried is my guest. Let let me start.

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Speaker 1: Let me start, Mark. You know I've done said it

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Speaker 1: for a long time. We'll go back. We'll do the

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Speaker 1: whole through your career, your life and all that stuff. Pod.

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Speaker 1: I want to do that, your dad and all the

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Speaker 1: different trips. It's it's kind of an amazing life, and

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Speaker 1: I know there's more to come. But let's let's start

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Speaker 1: with this, um, why do you think in Zaga, who

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Speaker 1: has only been a two final four's, but they've had

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Speaker 1: this unbelievable two plus decades of dominance in their conference

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Speaker 1: and now seven straight years of sweet sixt team last

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Speaker 1: night they go down, Why do you think they have

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Speaker 1: won a national championship yet? I think my first thought

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Speaker 1: would be, you know, I think when you play in

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Speaker 1: the w C C compared to playing in the A C,

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Speaker 1: C or SEC, you know, you go through about two

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Speaker 1: months maybe even a little more where you know, the

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Speaker 1: competition level is just not you know what it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be at the A C, C or SEC level or

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Speaker 1: the back twelve level. You know you're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: rolling into you know, some of the teams in their

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Speaker 1: league and being able to pretty much dominate them. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that prepares them. I know they do

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Speaker 1: a good job in November and December. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Mark always goes and tries to schedule some really high

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Speaker 1: quality opponents, but you know, it's some point when you

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Speaker 1: meet you know, the guards are bigger, the forwards are bigger,

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Speaker 1: a little bit more athletic, a little stronger, you know,

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Speaker 1: one through eight on your roster. Probably, Uh, I think

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Speaker 1: it plays a factor. And uh, I don't know the

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Speaker 1: answer for them, but uh, you know, I just think

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Speaker 1: the teams that go through the wars in the you know,

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Speaker 1: for example, you know, I was in the SEC for

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Speaker 1: eleven years, the a c C for six. Um, you

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Speaker 1: know you're used to seeing guys that are bigger, stronger, faster,

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Speaker 1: a little a little more physical. And uh, as I

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Speaker 1: watched the game last night, I think, especially late in

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Speaker 1: the game, it probably you know, that's my opinion. I

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Speaker 1: think it kind of comes out. No, I did too.

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Speaker 1: I think the and I think and maybe here's there's

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Speaker 1: two different parts that people get caught up on, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it means in the WCC doesn't have

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Speaker 1: very good teams, same area's a very good team. But

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Speaker 1: there's no way you can replicate the level of athletes

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Speaker 1: and then it's also the depth of athletics is in

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Speaker 1: the depth of challenge, not just with each team, but

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Speaker 1: like you said, like look even in a down year

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Speaker 1: down year, you still gotta go beat Virginia and Tony

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Speaker 1: all those kids, even if they're not as good or

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Speaker 1: they haven't jailed as well as you hope, they were

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Speaker 1: But I think more than anything, it's the game is

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Speaker 1: with as much. So and but here's the part that

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Speaker 1: But there's a little bit of denial there after the game,

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Speaker 1: I hear so you've been a head coach, you've been

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Speaker 1: was in his assessment that we just need to make shots? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think every coach should be honest. And you know

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Speaker 1: a completely you know, transparent in that regard. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: San Diego State in the first round. Uh, we're the

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Speaker 1: our players at NC State looking down there saying come on,

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Speaker 1: Uh So from a talent perspective, he's getting some pretty

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Speaker 1: even if it's seen as a football school, they still

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Speaker 1: love some good basketball. You're at your what what do

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Speaker 1: And you look at his backcourt and he's got some

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Speaker 1: guys from some other places who are probably a little older,

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly their years, but you know, a

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Speaker 1: you probably don't know this. I kind of convinced Dana

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Speaker 1: like in the SEC like they legitimately care there whereas

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Speaker 1: to going and and have people show up when football

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Speaker 1: try and drop this before the u c l A game. Um,

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Speaker 1: first I want to go back to stick around. Um

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Speaker 1: what it was there a time out before Tyson went

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Speaker 1: don't realize on that, Doug, is that you know, we

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Speaker 1: identical play where ty has stole the ball and you

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Speaker 1: to be really good in that regard because all of them,

428
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Speaker 1: not just them, the players, their parents, they're au coach,

429
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: they're all they're all expecting their guy to be the guy.

430
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Speaker 1: And they're not gonna all be the guy. It just,

431
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's just not how it works. And you know,

432
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: I think coaches that have been there for so long

433
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 1: and done it with so many great players, you know,

434
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: you gotta remember to like with coach k uh and

435
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he's one and and most of the world,

436
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 1: you know, we don't really know what's inside his practices

437
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: and what he's say in the locker room or team meetings,

438
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 1: and you know, the bluntness and how he's gonna organize,

439
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: who's gonna do what at what point, and who's got

440
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: the freedom to do a little bit more and doesn't

441
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: have the freedom and sometimes we don't know all those things.

442
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: You gotta remember with him. Now, you know, he's had

443
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Speaker 1: to manage lebron Kobe, you know, through the Olympics and

444
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: and that that group too. Now, so you know, he's

445
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 1: not afraid to tell somebody you ain't shooting the ball,

446
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: you're just not checking, period. And uh, you know where

447
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 1: some coaches may not, you know, have that type of

448
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: statue with those teams. But Doug, I think you make

449
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: a great point and a lot of people may not

450
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: really understand. You know, that main court when you play

451
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: in the a you've seen and you're always on the

452
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: main court, You're always you know where there's other games

453
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Speaker 1: going over there. And yeah there's always Damian Lillard that

454
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: probably didn't even play in the main gym. Hell, he

455
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: was probably another gym and another you know part of town. Uh,

456
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, ends up at Weber State. But you get

457
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: enough guys that have been in that situation and in

458
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: their mind that's just a it's a little different. For example,

459
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,959
Speaker 1: I thought the guys that came and played for US

460
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: at u c l A, they know, they know, they

461
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: feel the expectation level every day that if you don't

462
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: if you don't meet this expectation level, you're really kind

463
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: of a failure. It's really unfair. But I've told I

464
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: told Ben Howland, I told every coach that went through there.

465
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Speaker 1: Uh U C l A. And not that I have

466
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: all the answers, but you're gonna play about thirty games

467
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: before the tournament. They're all exhibition games. They don't count really.

468
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: The only thing that really counts is the tournament. Well,

469
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: the players know that they feel it. You know, you

470
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: had great teams in Oklahoma State, but that wasn't ingrained

471
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: in you guys that you know, there's this expectation that

472
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: you have to be all the way here to that level.

473
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: And so sometimes I think that does help. You know,

474
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't always work that way, but at times I

475
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: think it does. And uh I saw I thought late

476
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: in the game last night, would do it was clear.

477
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: The example, the example for you guys even years ago

478
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: is Toby Right. So, so Toby stars in the National

479
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: Championship Game. And part of it was I think the

480
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: way in which Arkansas played played right into your hands, right,

481
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: like you're gonna you're gonna run and trap us. Okay

482
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: okay um. But but you know, I grew up as

483
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Speaker 1: you know, compete against Toby Bailey. He played on Victoria Park,

484
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: Slam and Jam. Right, there were three big clubs and

485
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: if they weren't in the finals for every tournament or

486
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Speaker 1: league or whatever. Something was wrong, right because it was

487
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: him and Ricky Price, and something was wrong the ideas

488
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Speaker 1: every Sunday of every tournament he echort, and so he

489
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: was a freshman. It wasn't that bigges stretch for him

490
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: to perform that well under that brightest follow I think

491
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: you're very much right. Doesn't always guarantee though, that you know,

492
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: those guys make every shot, but I do think there's

493
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 1: a mindset or expectation that's a little bit different. In

494
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 1: other words, think of it this way. When Kentucky loses

495
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: and you know they got beat by a you know,

496
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. When you're in a two fifteen game,

497
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, fift two games. But regardless, those players, you know,

498
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: they feel from their fan base every day, every day.

499
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: You know, Alabama football would be the same way right now.

500
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: If you're not in the college playoff. It's disappointing. It's

501
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: just disappointing year at Alabama football. And so players feel it,

502
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: coaches feel it, fans expected, And I think what that

503
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: does it it causes the players at times and coaches

504
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: and everybody it causes to rise you up to another level.

505
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: You've got to be there, not that other people don't

506
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: want to. But you had good teams at Oklahoma State

507
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame, and but I don't know that the same.

508
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: You know, my teams at Alabama. We never felt that, Like,

509
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: we never felt that if we don't get to the

510
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Speaker 1: final four, it's disappointed. Year never felt that. And uh

511
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: so it's just different at every school. But I do

512
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: think I think you've hit it on a nail, nail

513
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: on the head when you talk about how they've grown

514
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: up and played on that center court. Uh, that's a

515
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: different deal, Um, Kentucky. Um, it's a it's a different

516
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: landscape now, right. So instead of just recruiting against Duke

517
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: and Carolina and maybe the Memphis Is and then the

518
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: one off schools that hire somebody or whatever, now they're

519
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: competing against their the G League, ignite, you know, maybe oversee,

520
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: maybe overseas somewhere else. And then you have the transfer portal.

521
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: So you're not it's not you're you're playing if you

522
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: play high school kids their nine in nineteen as freshmen,

523
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: maybe twenties freshmen at their holdbacks, but you're competing against

524
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four year old kids can can caw

525
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: get back to where he had been in terms of

526
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: the consistency of success in the landscape of two thousand

527
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: two and beyond. Here here's what I here's my feeling

528
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: on that one, dug And again I'm I'm uh, you know,

529
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: never gonna question those guys. They've been so good for

530
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: so long, but I think you gotta keep adjusting. For example,

531
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: I had Dennis Smith, Lorenzo had Marquelle Folk. Both of

532
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: us struggled, you know, with guys like that. Not their fault.

533
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: But if you have five Dennis Smith's at one time,

534
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: you're you're probably okay because your talent level is so high.

535
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: I think Duke did that at times, you know, in

536
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: the last ten years ago or so, you know. And

537
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Marvin Bagley and the little point guard I can't remember

538
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: his name, and you know some of those guys. But

539
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: if you have one or two, they're just too young

540
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: and they can't carry it yet. But if you have

541
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: a collection of him, you can't. At the same time,

542
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: the transfer portal, the fifth year graduate transfer, both that

543
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: are eligible immediately. I think it's changed the game even

544
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Speaker 1: for the high major Kentucky type school, and we talked

545
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: about it with Eric at Arkansas. UM. You're freshman who

546
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: even though they're really talented, they're still freshman. And you know,

547
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a blend nowadays. You gotta kind of

548
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: adjust and maybe look at the fact that I need

549
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: a seventeen point scorer from the w CC or from

550
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: the MAC or from the Sun Belt who's really good,

551
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: who's twenty three, and he transfers up um. That guy,

552
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: I think in today's game, is real valuable, very valuable,

553
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: maturity level older. Because here's the deal. We all know it.

554
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: If you've got a great freshman and you're at a

555
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: Power five conference and you got averages seventeen eighteen points

556
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: a game, he's gone. He's gone. Don Don McClean is

557
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: the leading score in the history of U c l

558
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: A and the Pack Twell, which, by the way, his

559
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 1: records will never be broken ever. You can put that

560
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 1: one in your pipe and smoke it. They'll never be

561
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: broken because Don McClean average is eighteen a game. Is

562
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: a freshman. But days four years, four years, well, that

563
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: gottesn't stay four years anymore. He's gone. You know, there's

564
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: that guy's got no chance to stay four years so

565
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: I think there's a blend. Now you gotta figure out

566
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: I gotta get some older. I gotta get older somehow.

567
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: How do I get older? Is the key I think

568
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: sometimes in in today's game, Um, okay, Murray State, Why

569
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: why have so many coaches had such success there? Steve

570
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: Steve from is going back there. He had success everyone

571
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: on Iowa State. But you were there, I mean like you,

572
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: Mick was there. It's just it seems like every guy

573
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: who goes their wins now they're changing leagues and stepping

574
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: up in league. Why is Murray stayed such a well

575
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: spring for coaches. I think they're in the right conference

576
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: for them. You know, I think so many times people

577
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: leave conferences which are tall left the Missouri Valley and

578
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: it's probably the game has changed on him. Now Murray

579
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: State is actually leaving as well. This year they're going

580
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: to Missouri Valley, which is a whole different deal than

581
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: it was playing in the OVC. So Number one, I

582
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: think Murray State was buying far the best job in

583
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: their league. In other words, they got the best fan base,

584
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: they've got the best facility, They have more money than

585
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: the other teams. When I coached there, was back in uh,

586
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, to you know, you had a recruiting budget,

587
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: but at that level, you know, if we if we

588
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: ran out of money in the month of July and

589
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 1: we still needed to buy airline tickets for my coaches

590
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: to go watch it, they'll find the money. They're gonna

591
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: find the money. All right, here's another ten grand. You guys,

592
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: go finish out the month of July and go recruiting,

593
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: buy airline tickets to stay in hotels where a lot

594
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: of teams in that league they just don't they don't

595
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: have they don't have that, they don't have that kind

596
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: of commitment. So it's the best job. And then I

597
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: think Murray has done a great job over the years, Doug.

598
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: They've they have stayed with their formula. In other words, now,

599
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's a little maybe a little bit different

600
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: right now. But they're not afraid to hire that young

601
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: coach that's been at a high profile school and bring

602
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: him in there, knowing they're probably gonna lose him. They're

603
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: gonna lose him in a few years, but that's okay,

604
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: and then we'll get another one. I think a lot

605
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: of times people they change there, they don't know who

606
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: they are and all of a sudden'm gonna I'm gonna

607
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: recreate who we really are as a program, and Murray

608
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: has never done that. They've kind of stayed the course.

609
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: They know they're probably gonna lose Matt McMahon to l

610
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Speaker 1: s U or somewhere, especially the job he did, which

611
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: I thought was terrific. Uh, you know, Mick did a

612
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: great job. Billy Kennedy did a great job there, Scott

613
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: Edger before me did a great job. They all did.

614
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: But it's just a good basketball job. I'm a little

615
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: worried for him though, going in the Missouri Valley different animals,

616
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: completely different animals then, you know, than having to play

617
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: in the OBC. So we'll see how that plays out.

618
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: I think they're they're they're more invested. The interesting part is,

619
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Speaker 1: I do think, you know, in terms of of their

620
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: um their financial investment. I think Missouri Valleys were invested right.

621
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Speaker 1: In terms of terms of winning. On the other hand,

622
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's a level. It's it's more Midwestern, right,

623
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: It's a little bit more plotting players than in the OBC,

624
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: where I feel like it was a lot of speed

625
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: and quickness and smaller teams. Um so so St. Peter's

626
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: Tonight takes On takes On perdu. So you you've been

627
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: on both sides of the steel right where you have

628
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: these gigantic, big dudes and you've had the undersized team. Um,

629
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: give me, give me your sense of what what you

630
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: would do if you're your your shahin Holloway, they got

631
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: two dudes over six seven on their entire roster. Zack

632
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: Eadie blocks out the sun. But it is college fastball, Like,

633
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: so what do you what do you do if you're

634
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: what do you do if you're if you're Shahima? Well,

635
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: I think here's the thing too. With that team right now,

636
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: they you listen to his comments, and they've take such

637
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: a they have so much pride and how tough they are,

638
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Speaker 1: and now that's that's important. But like you said, there

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Speaker 1: there does come a day when the ball is in

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Speaker 1: here and I gotta get a rebound and that guy's

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Speaker 1: seven foot and I'm six six and I'm gonna seven

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Speaker 1: three seven four, And it's not it's not one of

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Speaker 1: those like it's not like you said with them, like

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Speaker 1: he solicit six, he's really six liive No, No, he's

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Speaker 1: really that big. He's really that big and so it's

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Speaker 1: some point in time, you know, not not that they

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Speaker 1: can't win. I mean they're proving it right now, they've

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Speaker 1: done it. But I think they'll have their handsful now

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Speaker 1: they're they're gonna there. And I think Matt's done a

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Speaker 1: great job too. And I think they're pretty mental. They

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Speaker 1: all are, all the teams at this point left there.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're mentally pretty strong and pretty tough. Now

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's samet Piece. They've done such a

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Speaker 1: he's such such a great job of instilling that hunger

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Speaker 1: and their guard plays terrific. But think about this last

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Speaker 1: night in the Duke game, and and there was a point,

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Speaker 1: I think it was about a minute a half two

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Speaker 1: minutes ago in the game and Texas Tech. You know,

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Speaker 1: they remind me a little bit of Houston. They're all

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00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: they look all the same size, they can switch to everything.

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Speaker 1: I knew the point guard, the two, the three of

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Speaker 1: the four, we're all we're all just out of But

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Speaker 1: you know, at some point in the game there the

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Speaker 1: ball came off the rim, and that that big dude

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Speaker 1: for dude, he just goes up two hands and I'm

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Speaker 1: getting the rebound, I'm getting the read. You guys can't

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Speaker 1: get this rebound at this point the game, or I'm

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Speaker 1: blocking your shot and the guy takes it to the

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Speaker 1: middle of a little kind of baby hook there, and

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Speaker 1: I'm just bigger. I'm I'm bigger and longer, and and

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Speaker 1: at some point in time that kind of wins out.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't always that kind of does. So I think Saint

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Speaker 1: Piet's gonna have their hands full of that big boy

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Speaker 1: in the middle. And and uh, but you know, nobody

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Speaker 1: gave him a chance till now, so you know, but

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Speaker 1: i'd hold my breath to make too strong a prediction.

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00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: So we'll see last thing. Um And there's an expectation

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Speaker 1: that he's going to get the seen Hall job, right,

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00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: which is which is going back home. That's what you did.

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Speaker 1: If you were to give a guy who's going to

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Speaker 1: his alma mater advice, but when to be I would say, Doug,

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Speaker 1: it's a great question. Number one. I would give you

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Speaker 1: the advice that John Wooden gave me, the legendary coach.

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00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: I sat in his living room and then Cino and

685
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: talked about, uh, you know, I'm gonna go to Murray State,

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Speaker 1: but hopefully one day, you know, I can end up

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Speaker 1: back at my alma mater. And I asked him, I said, Coach,

688
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: why didn't you ever go back to Purdue? And he said, Mark,

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Speaker 1: don't ever underestimate how big the expectations end up being.

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Speaker 1: The fan base has for you, but also the expectations

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00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: you put on yourself because it becomes your you have

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00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: a passion for that school that it's not just a job.

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Speaker 1: It's different and that can be good. Like for me,

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Speaker 1: I was at Alabama eleven years and we had a

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Speaker 1: great run. But you know, I never left. I turned

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Speaker 1: down every job that was offered to me, every single one,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I'm at my alma mater. I'm at Alabama. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I remember they named the road. They named

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Speaker 1: the road leading up to in Knoxville, up to the

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Speaker 1: football stadium, Philip fulmer Way. And they fired him the

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Speaker 1: next next year, fired a guy. So when it's you're

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Speaker 1: all the mater, you get a little bit cloudy with that,

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Speaker 1: you know. In other words, if if he goes somewhere

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Speaker 1: else and he does a great job, and a job,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a job, not that you don't care,

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Speaker 1: but when it's you're all the mater, I just think

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Speaker 1: you gotta be a little careful. It could be great,

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Speaker 1: it could be wonderful. But you know, I remember Philip

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Speaker 1: Fulmer said it's bricks, and the bricks will never love

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Speaker 1: you back. You could love the bricks on the building,

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Speaker 1: but the bricks on the building will never love you back.

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Speaker 1: And I think he was right. So I think that

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Speaker 1: would be the only piece of advices. It's a great opportunity,

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Speaker 1: but you know, be careful because it's a little different

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Speaker 1: market the best. We're doing this again. Let's let's do it, um.

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Speaker 1: After we get we figured out who's going to maybe

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Speaker 1: elead eight or Final four, and I want to get

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Speaker 1: into all the different you have so many different great

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Speaker 1: stories and angles. For the meantime, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You got a brother anytime. Well, I'm sure glad you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed that. I did as well. We'll get you ready

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Speaker 1: for the next games. We'll drop a pod probably tomorrow

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Speaker 1: on tonight's games as well, U C. L A and

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Speaker 1: Caroliat St. Peter's and Purdue and all of it, all

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00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: of it, all of it. Um. I do think Miami wins.

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Speaker 1: I think uh, I like like Providence to cover. I

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00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be a close game I just I

728
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Speaker 1: mean selfish, amazing. But think about what Providence or Kansas

729
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Speaker 1: can do, Like they might get a they'll get a

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Speaker 1: double digit sed to go to the Final four. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty remarkable. And then we look at Villanova and could

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Speaker 1: I make the case that's the best program in America.

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Speaker 1: Think about the consistency of success, winning your league, two

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Speaker 1: national championships, and they're one game away from another Final Four.

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Speaker 1: Crazy crazy stuff. All right, we get to all that

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Speaker 1: in the next pot. Meantime. I thanks to Mark Godfrey

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Speaker 1: by thanks for you for listening. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This

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Speaker 1: is elbol