Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 1: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 1: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Done done, Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Liza Traeger.
Speaker 2: And I'm Kara Klank And you know what this is.
Speaker 2: It's an SVU podcast. We talk about episodes of the show,
Speaker 2: the true crimes they're based on. We talked to a
Speaker 2: fun guest. We chit shot up top YadA YadA. Here
Speaker 2: we are ye back at it.
Speaker 1: We're here. Surely, Well you go, you go, because I no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I have two seven hour flights within four days. So
Speaker 1: I watched some movies. Oh my god, tell me give
Speaker 1: me the Dels. Okay, so I watched uh well, I
Speaker 1: rewatched The Substance was It, which is a crazy thing
Speaker 1: to watch on a flight, like on a flight, like
Speaker 1: if people were eating around me, Like, I'm sure that's crazy.
Speaker 1: But it was like my because I was so tired.
Speaker 1: It was kind of my nap in and out movie too,
Speaker 1: Like I was, yeah, you're like, well, I know the
Speaker 1: plot whatever, and it is chilling up so I did
Speaker 1: do that. Okay, you sold you liked this, so I
Speaker 1: did want Okay, my old ass loved it. Would you think?
Speaker 1: I thought? Oh, I love well cat so well cast,
Speaker 1: that girl and guy so well cast. I want to
Speaker 1: see him again in everything.
Speaker 2: And just beautiful, like the location. I think it's somewhere
Speaker 2: random in Canada, gorgeous. I wanted to ride a boat
Speaker 2: and make out with like other teens, like I just
Speaker 2: love as a team, not myself as now.
Speaker 1: So well ready you know the lake looked good. I
Speaker 1: texted meat Brick immediately Molly Carney for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: because they grew up on a lake, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you gotta take me to this lake, like I need that,
Speaker 1: Like I want to be on a lake right now
Speaker 1: in the Oh my gosh, it was. It was just
Speaker 1: so good. I mean I cried.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you cry easier on a plane,
Speaker 2: but like I cry.
Speaker 1: I was also on the way to a funeral, so
Speaker 1: of course I was crying, so I was. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I was. It was just really nice and easy and
Speaker 1: even though you kind of knew where things, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just like loved it, simple good awesome movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and okay, so next movie.
Speaker 2: Well, also before you get before you just move on
Speaker 2: really quick. Yeah, I moved on really interesting to me,
Speaker 2: how there is this weird like supernatural you could say
Speaker 2: element to it or whatever, like a hallucinate, whatever you're
Speaker 2: calling it.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't even affect it.
Speaker 2: Really, it's it's so like expertly woven in that you're
Speaker 2: not like, well, what are the rules?
Speaker 1: Can other people see her? Like, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: not you know, I like my.
Speaker 2: Husband relevant, Yeah, like it doesn't matter, like it's but
Speaker 2: I and some people I talked to you didn't like
Speaker 2: it because they were like they didn't like the Aubrey
Speaker 2: Plaza of it all. But I was like, it's so
Speaker 2: to me, it's a it's the two kids movie. It's
Speaker 2: like their movie. Like I don't know, it didn't. I
Speaker 2: loved it so much.
Speaker 1: Now some people want more. And there was a thing
Speaker 1: where it's like you guys can obviously my old ass.
Speaker 1: It's like the older version of hers. And I liked
Speaker 1: that they covered where she was like, what the fuck's
Speaker 1: with the gap in your teeth and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should wear your retainer, and like I loved that,
Speaker 1: like just the little I don't know the cranberries of
Speaker 1: it all. It just was like a nice fucking movie
Speaker 1: that also makes you cry. And these actors, these young actors,
Speaker 1: were like phenomenal. I was feeling every feeling so good,
Speaker 1: and sure a lot of these are short. So then
Speaker 1: I watched which people said wasn't good. I loved it Companion.
Speaker 1: I oh again loved it.
Speaker 2: Isn't that the guy who did the movie that you
Speaker 2: love the Barbarian.
Speaker 1: He just produced it. It was a different writer and director,
Speaker 1: but it's about like it's don't worry darling vibes of
Speaker 1: like men wanting women, robots or whatnot. It's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: robots stuff. But I think it's surprising, it's funny, it's shock,
Speaker 1: it's cool, it does all the rule and then like
Speaker 1: it just doesn't end with action and excitement, and her
Speaker 1: monologues are so good. I just thought it was awesome.
Speaker 1: I loved the end, like I loved the visual how
Speaker 1: it looks like I'm I'm into Companion. It was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I thought it looked good when I saw
Speaker 2: the preview and was like, I want to see this,
Speaker 2: but then it came and went so quickly.
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance. I know, everything is so
Speaker 1: fucking fast, like I still have to rush to see Sinners.
Speaker 1: I got to see the draw, but I think the
Speaker 1: drop's already out. Thunderbolt. Yeah, it's like too much. Okay,
Speaker 1: sorry if this is too many. It was long flights. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the best movie I've probably seen. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it the last show Girl,
Speaker 1: Oh with Pama and to see it, dying to see it.
Speaker 1: I heard it's amazing, amazing as an understatement, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to see that. It really and it's like such
Speaker 1: classic indie movie vibes, like the like the slowness and
Speaker 1: to me watching it with like you know, it's Gia
Speaker 1: Coppola directed it, and so you know, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is actually like I bet she learned from her
Speaker 1: like family, and you could see it. It shot so beautifully,
Speaker 1: like everything is so cool. I just I've really really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. It was really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, it's good for there to be one Gea
Speaker 2: out there learning any lessons from her family, because Gia
Speaker 2: Judee is not learning anything. No, but it was as
Speaker 2: I was watching, I was like, yeah, because I don't
Speaker 2: know if she's a granddaughter, a daughter who's she's a cousin, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what she is, but I'm like, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: Like I wonder if Sophia was in the editing with
Speaker 2: her being like, oh do the like I just wonder.
Speaker 2: But it was just so beautifully done, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is how you do it as a nepo, you know,
Speaker 2: fucking learn the lessons of your family and give us
Speaker 2: a good ass movie done. Well, yeah, she's not What
Speaker 2: is her relation to Sophia Because Jason Schwartzman's niece, niece.
Speaker 1: Of Sophia Coppola.
Speaker 2: So first cousin once removed of Nick Cage, you know, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 2: first cousin once removed to Jason Schwartzman.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. He's in it. See's in it? Yeah
Speaker 1: all right, but he'sa like such a performance. And then
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis and then the young you know it's
Speaker 1: Kieren and Shipka, Billy Lord and Brenda Song.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know all those people were in it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought it was Pam and Jamie Lee.
Speaker 1: No, it was really like, oh I've really wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch that for sure. Sorry, I watched so
Speaker 1: many days. I'm like so embarrassed. Okay and okay, So
Speaker 1: the next movie I finally watched it, I used to
Speaker 1: be funny. It's Rachel Senate. It's an indie movie. Ali
Speaker 1: Pankeow wrote and directed it. We know her, she was
Speaker 1: engaged to a friend dated another famous part we know
Speaker 1: yeah yeah I met her, yeah yeah yeah, So she
Speaker 1: wrote it and directed it. It was awesome. Rachel is
Speaker 1: a fucking star. Caleb's inn it Haron, who's so funny.
Speaker 1: But like, it's really good. All of these are good.
Speaker 1: I should have more better words to say. I don't
Speaker 1: have better language. I'm glad. No, I mean, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that I can. I would watch that on.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's only on international, but I haven't seen that
Speaker 2: on Delta.
Speaker 1: I would totally watch that. Yeah, it's basically like a comedian. Obviously,
Speaker 1: something like happened to her. So she has PTSD and
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to get on stage again, and her
Speaker 1: friends are so supportive, and she's on this journey and
Speaker 1: it like time, it goes back and forth and you're
Speaker 1: trying to piece together what happened with what characters. But
Speaker 1: I just like loved it. Rachel Senn, It's a goddamn star, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, not that anyone's surprised now the movie one
Speaker 1: of them days. Oh yeah, baby, I saw it. I
Speaker 1: was laughing out on the flight. I was dying laughing,
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to watch it again. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a movie that I watch over and over.
Speaker 1: Like I loved it, and I loved all the side characters,
Speaker 1: like everything was so. I loved all the side It
Speaker 1: just just like the movies. I like, you know, it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: where's my car? It's like Friday. It's like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to think of another one because I
Speaker 1: haven't seen The Hangover. I know that's kind of the
Speaker 1: in a day, what you gotta get it done?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love the Yeah, I forgot what it's called.
Speaker 2: What's a movie that takes place in like a day,
Speaker 2: like a capsule movie kind of thing. But yeah, like
Speaker 2: it's uh, I really enjoyed it. I for some reason,
Speaker 2: I wanted the script to be I thought it was
Speaker 2: like really riding off of how charismatic those two are.
Speaker 2: Like that's what I said, You're so fucking good.
Speaker 1: So I didn't think it was gonna be that good
Speaker 1: because what I was hearing was like, you know, we
Speaker 1: loved it, but you know, but it's okay. And then
Speaker 1: my hairstylist, Lacy like loves it. She seemed like eight
Speaker 1: times like loves it. And so I was like, I
Speaker 1: wonder what's going on. And then when I put it on,
Speaker 1: I just was like in love with it all, laughing
Speaker 1: up a storm. I thought. I thought the jokes were
Speaker 1: so funny. I and they're beautiful, They're they're so beautiful,
Speaker 1: so beautiful, but it's silly. It's also like slapsticky. I
Speaker 1: love seeing Kat Williams winning, like, I fucking loved it.
Speaker 1: And Dwayne Perkins, Yeah, yeah, I loved him.
Speaker 2: I the scene in the blood Bank was too much
Speaker 2: for me, know you know, when I started was like no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I can't with this shit. And I loved Janelle and
Speaker 1: I support everything she does, but I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't with this, even the end of like where are
Speaker 1: they now? And money in it too, but like, I
Speaker 1: just loved it. I loved the fighting. I really like
Speaker 1: it was just the feel good movie. It was fun,
Speaker 1: and you know, I say this all the time. I
Speaker 1: just feel like they.
Speaker 2: Don't make movies like this anymore, Like they just don't
Speaker 2: make funny, like sort of stoner comedy like funny movies.
Speaker 2: And the only reason this one could get like probably
Speaker 2: found an audience is because of the star power of
Speaker 2: like the main.
Speaker 1: I was laughing at a storm loudly on this flight,
Speaker 1: like I ever. I loved the outfits. I loved the
Speaker 1: bad girl. I liked the Church's chicken. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just and I.
Speaker 2: Like the back girl was a star. I thought the
Speaker 2: villain was a star. I'm like, I can't wait to
Speaker 2: see her and more shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then this I watched because I was so
Speaker 1: jet lagged, so I was up till like five in
Speaker 1: the morning. This is a Netflix movie. Not good, but
Speaker 1: it's a Mother's Instinct and it's Anne Hathaway and Jessica Chastain.
Speaker 2: From twenty fourteen. From twenty twenty four Okay, it's a
Speaker 2: new movie. But I think I saw a preview for
Speaker 2: this and was like, this looks like up right up
Speaker 2: my fucking alley.
Speaker 1: It was fine. It was fine. It's just like it
Speaker 1: was like two stylized. I don't know. It was fine.
Speaker 1: I was happy to watch it, and you know, I
Speaker 1: was up all night and then okay, so that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just listed off movies. I hope this
Speaker 1: was enjoyable for everyone listening. But I loved it and
Speaker 1: it was just like a great time of movies. And
Speaker 1: then I also already finished because of the jet lad
Speaker 1: you know I mentioned it on the pot. I love
Speaker 1: the movie Four Seasons with Alan Alda and like Carol Burnett,
Speaker 1: I like watched it once and I brought it up
Speaker 1: because I didn't I've never even heard. It's so crazy.
Speaker 2: I was literally just about to ask you out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: have you heard anything about this show?
Speaker 1: The four season? I watched it all while I was okay,
Speaker 1: I throw up the match. Somebody just told me two
Speaker 1: days ago.
Speaker 2: They were like, it's so good and there's a great
Speaker 2: there's great twists, and I was like, for a comedy,
Speaker 2: I don't think of twists.
Speaker 1: You know, if you didn't see the original movie, there
Speaker 1: are twists. Okay, well I haven't, so there's that. No,
Speaker 1: and Ellen Alda makes a cameo in this, so that
Speaker 1: was really exciting. No, I loved it. I love these
Speaker 1: kinds of movies. I love friend groups, meeting in a
Speaker 1: house like I like, I like the style, and I
Speaker 1: haven't seen will Forte in a while. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like fun. It was good. I really enjoyed it. And
Speaker 1: they so basically it's like four seasons, and they did
Speaker 1: they broke it down by two episodes per season. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch it, I mean yeah. And Tina Fath producer,
Speaker 1: and Tracy Wigfield is like the big writer. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and I love her.
Speaker 2: I mean she made that show great news that I
Speaker 2: was obsessed with that nobody watched, but I loved it.
Speaker 1: So that's that's my Ciskel and Ebert hour. Amazing. I
Speaker 1: apologize now you can start talking.
Speaker 2: I am, you know, as usual, woefully behind on all
Speaker 2: my TV and everything because well, last weekend I did
Speaker 2: go camping.
Speaker 1: I took Rosy camping in the wilderness with Yeah calling
Speaker 1: me that day.
Speaker 2: It was so cute and fun, except I didn't sleep
Speaker 2: at all, Like I went to sleep.
Speaker 1: It was so cute.
Speaker 2: We were like in the tent together, like lying on
Speaker 2: our sleeping bags, telling each other's stories, and she kept
Speaker 2: being like telling me another story, and I would just
Speaker 2: like tell her little stories of like silly things that
Speaker 2: have happened in my life or whatever, and then we
Speaker 2: go to sleep. I'm like, it's nine thirty. We've been
Speaker 2: like hiking around and doing shit all day. I'm tired.
Speaker 1: I've been lugging.
Speaker 2: It's so much equipment for two fucking people to sleep
Speaker 2: in the woods for two twenty four hours, Like, it's nuts.
Speaker 2: So I was really tired of fall asleep. I'm just
Speaker 2: awake every hour for a half hour, like and then
Speaker 2: I'm falling back asleep a little bit. And I had
Speaker 2: a nice ass thick pad that my friend gave me.
Speaker 2: My friend Jackie gave me all this like nice camping equipment.
Speaker 1: Couldn't sleep.
Speaker 2: So I've been recovering from the sleep for like three days.
Speaker 2: But besides that, amazing. The Sunday of the trip was
Speaker 2: May the fourth, you know, which is for dorky Star
Speaker 2: Wars people. I don't know anything about Star Wars, but
Speaker 2: one of the guys made all the kids out of empty.
Speaker 1: Bubble wands, you know, the bubble wands.
Speaker 2: Like the long tube that's colorful, emptied them out, attached
Speaker 2: them to flashlights. All the kids had lightsabers. They had
Speaker 2: a nighttime lightsaber fight. They went fucking nuts. It was
Speaker 2: like magical they were having the time of their life.
Speaker 2: Rosie was like, I wish we could stay here for
Speaker 2: two more nights. I was like, I mean I don't
Speaker 2: because of the sleep. But you know, we had a
Speaker 2: great time. It was really fun. And if you drive
Speaker 2: far enough up into the mountains from LA you actually
Speaker 2: get better weather than you did in La. We we
Speaker 2: had like a beautiful sunshine day and everyone it was
Speaker 2: raining in La, so we just went above the clouds.
Speaker 1: It was nice. And then all the kids and parents behaved.
Speaker 1: Did you have the loan time? Like did everyone just
Speaker 1: what is the vibe with the other parents.
Speaker 2: We started wine and cheese, like one of the moms
Speaker 2: brought like no shit, like a full sharcuterie cheese wine
Speaker 2: spread that we started at.
Speaker 1: Like three o'clock. So that was nice.
Speaker 2: We just like, you know, and the kids were having
Speaker 2: the time, like the best time. They were just like
Speaker 2: running around, and you got to get an idea of
Speaker 2: everybody else's, like everybody's stress level as a parent, because
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, they're in we're in the woods,
Speaker 2: like let them go, and everyone is like what if
Speaker 2: they see a rattle snake? What if there's a coyote?
Speaker 2: You know, and I'm like, oh, I don't know they'll
Speaker 2: handle it.
Speaker 1: I mean they're only six, they probably can't handle a rattlesnake.
Speaker 1: But I'm just down to let them run around. And
Speaker 1: you you kind of are.
Speaker 2: Dealing with like the different levels of helicoptering that other
Speaker 2: parents do.
Speaker 1: Well, take your parents. I saw this dad, and I
Speaker 1: swear it took everything, and menut to be like, it's enough, sir.
Speaker 1: Stop these two boys on this flight from Lenson S,
Speaker 1: New York Stellar. The dad didn't even talk to them
Speaker 1: once they had their little meals. They played their gay
Speaker 1: like the most polite little boys I've ever seen. Big brother,
Speaker 1: little brother. The dad there was absolutely no communicating like
Speaker 1: at all. Like the dad was very British. Do you
Speaker 1: think were they British? No, that's what's shocking. I thought
Speaker 1: they were British. I'm like, they're British little rich boys
Speaker 1: who are in Premium Select, who already have their things,
Speaker 1: they know how it works. They're requesting their own lemonade,
Speaker 1: they have their own headphone. Like they just were truly
Speaker 1: behaving the whole time, better than I was. So then
Speaker 1: we land and we're all up, but then there's like
Speaker 1: an issue with the door, so like by the time
Speaker 1: the door open, we probably had like twenty or thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: so they were standing by the So then they're back
Speaker 1: in their seats. The younger one pissed his pants, and
Speaker 1: the dad, okay, I understand being annoyed at first, I
Speaker 1: being like, are you fucking kidding? We were by the toilet,
Speaker 1: like we were standing by the toilet. Kid, like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? So then the kid is like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it just leaked, and he's like, it didn't leak. It
Speaker 1: just leaked, and it's like, okay, the kid's lying, but like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? The dad is fully arguing with
Speaker 1: his child, and he goes, well, I don't have a
Speaker 1: change of clothes. You're just gonna be wet. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have wet pants for the ride home. That's what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. You're gonna have wet clothes. And it's like
Speaker 1: you're the parent, like, oh, we'll stop at the Hudson News.
Speaker 1: We'll get you a pair of shorts, hey, older brother,
Speaker 1: And then so I go to the air dryers in
Speaker 1: the airport. At least, you know, no, just arguing with
Speaker 1: this kid making him feel bad, I can hear the
Speaker 1: kid like starting to whimper, and I'm just like giving
Speaker 1: him a dirty look. The woman behind me is like,
Speaker 1: it's enough. I go, this is fucked up. Then the
Speaker 1: older brother goes, I have an extra pair of pants
Speaker 1: in my so I put the mom's British. He goes,
Speaker 1: I have an extra pair of pants in my in
Speaker 1: my backpack. I have it. So it's like, now you
Speaker 1: have the older brother problem solving, trying to find a solution.
Speaker 1: Your solution is arguing with your child and making him
Speaker 1: feel bad because what like he pedn'tn't tell, like it
Speaker 1: just seems like such a thing kids do, and was
Speaker 1: willing to have your kid being pissed clothes for whatever.
Speaker 1: The commute was home, I mean JFK ticks forever, so
Speaker 1: it's like that means customs. That means the like the
Speaker 1: uber rides, Oh, probably an hour wherever you're going. So
Speaker 1: it's like fuck you. So on my way out, I
Speaker 1: just went, it's okay, kid, and then I kept moving
Speaker 1: because I like hated him so much. That's really nice. No,
Speaker 1: I should have started a fight. I fight with people
Speaker 1: that deserve it less like I should have said something.
Speaker 1: But with parenting it's like tough, but I want to
Speaker 1: be like, if you arguing with your kid, he feels bad.
Speaker 1: He feels bad. He pissed himself. It's not like he
Speaker 1: likes it.
Speaker 2: No, it's like a core memory. You're trapped in a
Speaker 2: fucking small space. Everyone around you is like looking. Probably
Speaker 2: everyone's noticing your dad yelling you about this. Like that's humiliating.
Speaker 2: And also with kids, it's like this whole thing. You
Speaker 2: hold your piss, you don't want to pay, you want
Speaker 2: to enjoy whatever.
Speaker 1: I just get. I'm someone that waits to pee till
Speaker 1: the last minute, so like I don't know, and he
Speaker 1: goes right when we sat down, and he wouldn't stop arguing,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're the parent. Yeah, your kid is
Speaker 1: lying that it leaked because you're a bitch. Yeah, dick,
Speaker 1: And he just like put his head in his hands,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you truly ignored your kids for eight hours.
Speaker 1: I've watched you the whole flight. You didn't ask one
Speaker 1: question about any oh, And I knew I hated him
Speaker 1: even before that, because there's a hangman on one of
Speaker 1: the games and this is when we landed and had
Speaker 1: to wait for a while, and he starts playing Hangman,
Speaker 1: and instead of being like what letter do you think?
Speaker 1: Or why don't you find a vowel, he just was like,
Speaker 1: find a find you find art and it was Bulgaria
Speaker 1: and it's and then he was like, it's Bulgaria. Why
Speaker 1: don't you ask your kid if he knows what Bulgaria is,
Speaker 1: where it is, give him clues. Like it was just like,
Speaker 1: this is why people shouldn't just have kids, because you
Speaker 1: have to have kids because to me, just because you
Speaker 1: have money too, just because you're in Premium Select doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're a good fucking paranteeth or Jesus, it really
Speaker 1: upset me over all. But it's like you ignored them
Speaker 1: for eight hours, you're giving him the answers, and now
Speaker 1: you're yelling at him for pissing himself, Like, fuck you, dude,
Speaker 1: I should have especially when they're being such good, when
Speaker 1: they're being so good Stellar good, Stellar, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh I know not guy, And they were just so cute.
Speaker 1: But I also love that the big brother, you know,
Speaker 1: immediately was like, well I have extra pants, so like,
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, dad, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, good on the bigger kid. Jesus, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. People are fucking Yeah, not everyone should do it.
Speaker 2: He's probably pissed he had to.
Speaker 1: Fly with them alone or something. I don't know. He goes,
Speaker 1: your mom has the rest of the clothes, so maybe
Speaker 1: she got on a different flash. I don't know what
Speaker 1: was going on, but.
Speaker 2: Like I just yeah, this sounds like a guy who's
Speaker 2: used to the mom taking care of everything and is
Speaker 2: like pissed he has to do anything.
Speaker 1: Truly, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 2: In honor of Mother's Day, which we'll have just passed,
Speaker 2: Happy Mother's.
Speaker 1: Day to all the moms. The mail is so annoying.
Speaker 1: I sent a Mother's de call my mom already got it.
Speaker 1: I go, it's it's like too early. But sometimes these
Speaker 1: letters take so long, like there's just no there's nothing.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Well as we know. I just did get a Tiffany's
Speaker 2: gift that I ordered. I just I just had to.
Speaker 2: It's landing there today. It's landing there today.
Speaker 1: I hope it fits. I took it out. It's tiny.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: For the wrist, but it's a little well they can add,
Speaker 2: they can add, they can add a little bead, they
Speaker 2: can add yeah, two, okay, yeah, they could add links.
Speaker 1: They can add links, because for my necklace I added
Speaker 1: some links. I'll let you can. You can definitely. Oh,
Speaker 1: I have a new phrase that I love from England.
Speaker 1: What So basically, I'm I was at the same hotel
Speaker 1: last time I was there, and so I see my
Speaker 1: friend's mom and I go, wow, they really remodeled the lobby,
Speaker 1: and the lobby looks like so cute, like theonline like jungle.
Speaker 1: They like, it's cute. And it used to be like
Speaker 1: truly a red roof in you know, like it just
Speaker 1: they really upped it. And her mom goes, ugh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it used to be cheap, common and vulgar. I kind of.
Speaker 2: Cheap, common and vulgar. No, the Brits are the best.
Speaker 2: The way that they talk. They have better phrases than us.
Speaker 2: It's great good.
Speaker 1: Oh. And then like we took tequila shots. You know,
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers hate ice, because I was like, can we
Speaker 1: get it chilled? And the way everyone turned and looked
Speaker 1: at me in silence, humiliated, and I go, my bad.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, they don't love ice famously.
Speaker 1: No. I ended up ordering a diet coke at one
Speaker 1: point and they go, we don't have ice, okay, And
Speaker 1: I go, it's fine, all right, Ah, but well we
Speaker 1: got the tequila American and one of the guys went,
Speaker 1: do you want salad meaning limes? Should we get some salad? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Make salad. Yeah. That was a good one too, So
Speaker 1: I really I really enjoyed that. That's cute. Oh wait.
Speaker 2: I also last week I organized this like first parents'
Speaker 2: night out at our school that was like a fundraiser,
Speaker 2: and my friend went up and down like all of
Speaker 2: the stores in Highland Park, like and Eagle Rock, like
Speaker 2: you would have if you still lived here, I would
Speaker 2: have invited you to this because you would have loved
Speaker 2: this raffle. It was like packages of like different like
Speaker 2: all themed packages to like different restaurants or like different
Speaker 2: shops and this and that, and one of them was
Speaker 2: a gift certificate to a dance for a dance class.
Speaker 2: And Oscar's been dying to take ballet. So I put
Speaker 2: all my raffle tickets in that bowl. And I, even
Speaker 2: though I was announcing the raffle, my friend pulled for
Speaker 2: that bowl because I said, I don't want to be
Speaker 2: assumed to be cheating. And we did win it, and
Speaker 2: I was so happy, and Oscar was thrilled.
Speaker 1: In the morning.
Speaker 2: He's very excited. He's going to get it toutu and
Speaker 2: we're doing ballet. Baby, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry happy.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I was so happy. It was like the only one
Speaker 2: I wanted to win. But there was also like a
Speaker 2: facial that.
Speaker 1: I wanted to win. But that's okay. I didn't want that.
Speaker 1: But wait, this sucks because we've been talking for forever.
Speaker 1: But the met happened.
Speaker 2: Oh oh. It always sneaks up on me. And last
Speaker 2: night I was like on Instagram and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: Liza's probably so excited about all of these looks.
Speaker 1: I did you know. It was like, it's nice that
Speaker 1: it was such a specific theme because I loved I
Speaker 1: was on it. I want a theme. There was no
Speaker 1: real confusion, I guess just with Shakira. I was confused,
Speaker 1: but like most everyone else, it made sense. And I
Speaker 1: liked that it was like so cohesive of an evening.
Speaker 1: And I love that I met all the women were
Speaker 1: like finally comfortable.
Speaker 3: For a day.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I loved that it was tailoring and for some people,
Speaker 2: I was like, I wish you had warn like a
Speaker 2: suit or something more tailored than not like a gown,
Speaker 2: you know, like because I loved all the women in
Speaker 2: like the more traditional like men's wear, you know, like
Speaker 2: tailored stuff.
Speaker 1: I thought it looked awesome. Doci looked so cool.
Speaker 2: Yes, Coleman Domingo, multiple outfits, gorge.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of. Now, I know Janelle
Speaker 1: Monet nailed it. Oh I'm a Chamberlain. I mean she
Speaker 1: always does good. I mean Miley finally, the bitch never
Speaker 1: was that dam Finally Miley came through. But some of
Speaker 1: the dresses, like with Gigi hadid it was like a
Speaker 1: Josephine Baker nod, you know, like which which I guess
Speaker 1: maybe I should look into like what she.
Speaker 2: Which was Megan the Stallion also did like a Josephine
Speaker 2: Baker nod.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and then I love Nikki Bell. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I just yeah, me too. I mean I was absorbing
Speaker 1: all of his his oh, because I thought Pam Anderson,
Speaker 1: look at there was someone else. I paused on me.
Speaker 1: I couldnt believe it. Now I'm a Chamberlain is just
Speaker 1: like a battie. She's so fucking cool. Oh. Tianna Taylor,
Speaker 1: like incredible Tiana Taylor and red layers patterns. I love
Speaker 1: the pattern, mixing in the shapes and all the platforms
Speaker 1: they're sign You know, I didn't like some of our
Speaker 1: comedy people. Oh, Hailey Bieber bad plain, too plain for me,
Speaker 1: Kendall Jenner boring, Yeah, and Rihanna.
Speaker 2: Somebody posted we're never getting the new album, and it's true,
Speaker 2: We're just not. She's just having more babies. But asap
Speaker 2: Rocky looks awesome too. He's so hot. Zendia damn. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everybody looks fucking good. Oh, I would say, I mean,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Hallie Berry jesus, Oh, I didn't even
Speaker 2: see her. Jeez, you said you said yes or no
Speaker 2: on Charlie XCX.
Speaker 1: I just found her. I liked it. I like the sheer.
Speaker 1: I like then. I don't know if I get about
Speaker 1: the theme, but I loved her posing too. Oh god,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's thirty millions. Did you like start acting?
Speaker 1: And I'm excited for it. Jenna or Tagar or taga
Speaker 1: Her thing was made out of tape measures. It's like
Speaker 1: silver tape measures, and I, you know, I like that
Speaker 1: creativity at least.
Speaker 2: And I was seeing a lot of Diana Ross. I
Speaker 2: was seeing a lot of Diana Ross's look.
Speaker 1: Out because I don't think she's been to a met
Speaker 1: for like an eight years. Yeah, party was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a miss. Maybe there's more history than I
Speaker 1: should know about. Oh, Kekey Palmer look good. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Kekey Palmer loved Keky Palmer.
Speaker 2: Will Yeah, this has been a Kekey Palmer stan intro.
Speaker 1: I also liked do Chie leaving the hotel with her
Speaker 1: andre Leon tally nod so like she has her look,
Speaker 1: but then she also like dressed like him with all
Speaker 1: the tennis gear for the day before party. Oh and
Speaker 1: I got to give a shout out to my friend
Speaker 1: Alex English. He was there. He was hired by the Rogue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did out and he was at the DOCI after
Speaker 1: part but he was writing for whatever online correspondence stuff
Speaker 1: they had. And yeah, Alex English was a writer and
Speaker 1: he was at the met and yeah, so that was like,
Speaker 1: that's exciting. Yeah, I was really happy for him. I mean,
Speaker 1: I am in it for a while, but it finally happened,
Speaker 1: and with things like this, Oh he's sorry.
Speaker 2: I don't just like finding people.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm like scrolling now. But even though we're at
Speaker 1: thirty minutes because and we have to go, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: not tell you Ray, I like, I don't fully get it,
Speaker 1: but I love it. Cool. Oh, I do like to
Speaker 1: look up.
Speaker 2: I just found this thing called twenty twenty five met
Speaker 2: gallant train wrecks.
Speaker 1: So yeah, give us the train. Oh, Alex, I'm looking.
Speaker 2: That's on the route dot com. I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is entertaining for people. Do you guys want to
Speaker 2: hear us say more name names?
Speaker 1: And yes? No visual I so it was there. I
Speaker 1: needed ae. I see a Quinta outfit and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it and I love it. Oh, this guy did
Speaker 1: great Regien page Oh, rega page right from Bridgerton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looked fucking good. There was also someone in green
Speaker 1: that I was like, who the fuck are you? I
Speaker 1: think it was like a young NEPO who looks good.
Speaker 1: Wherever we have to start this is like a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, because I saw Nikki Bell be like, why
Speaker 2: are more people doing color?
Speaker 1: Is that who you're like thinking of? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I agree, Like it was very black and white, but
Speaker 2: some people had fun with color, although Chapel I think
Speaker 2: was it was too much with the pink. Anyway, this
Speaker 2: concludes we've given you Sisci and Niebert we've given you
Speaker 2: fashion full fashion.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Mary J. Blige is wearing a clear hat.
Speaker 1: She's wearing a clear hat. I like, oh yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I just saw her in a photo with
Speaker 1: Stella McCartney. That's what I'm looking at right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's get that.
Speaker 1: Let's get this episode started.
Speaker 2: It's we're going straight from met gala to a very
Speaker 2: sad opening of this of a television show. But but
Speaker 2: as usual, go to That's Messed Up Live dot com.
Speaker 2: Lisa has a bunch of dates coming up. You can
Speaker 2: scroll down towards as Lisa's website. You can also shop
Speaker 2: our merch promo codes, et cetera. And yeah, let's kick
Speaker 2: off today's.
Speaker 1: Ep Ooh, Jalen hurts sexy. All right, we're doing the
Speaker 1: episode Risk Everyone, Season four, episode twelve, January seventeenth, two
Speaker 1: thousand and three.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, this was like watching it for the
Speaker 2: first time again. This was one of those I always
Speaker 2: remember the main first scene that you're gonna describe, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but then I don't really remember anything after that.
Speaker 1: I well, I I I've watched this now like five times. Yeah, year,
Speaker 1: so I do. But one of the most famous starts
Speaker 1: of an SVU episode, which is saying a lot because
Speaker 1: what a show. So there's men playing basketball and they're
Speaker 1: in long sleeves and sweats. It's fun. A woman is
Speaker 1: screaming for help off screen. The men know her and
Speaker 1: they start running to help her. And Lynn is running
Speaker 1: with this baby, screaming, my baby's not breathing, My baby's
Speaker 1: not breathing, and it's baby Juan and they zoom in
Speaker 1: on the baby. Very cute baby, great little actor. He
Speaker 1: wasn't breathing at all, So go get it baby, And
Speaker 1: I wonder if the baby got a sad card, so
Speaker 1: Benson a stabler or at the hospital getting a low down.
Speaker 1: It's Juwan's ten months old respirator elevated heart rate, shallow respirations,
Speaker 1: dilated pupils. Staylor goes, sounds like an OD and the
Speaker 1: doctor goes, you're right, detective talk screen is positive for cocaine.
Speaker 1: So someone dope this kid up. And that's a direct quote.
Speaker 1: So then right into the credits, obviously like what do
Speaker 1: you follow up with? Like the baby's filled with coke?
Speaker 1: So then the mom is, you know, this has like happened.
Speaker 1: I finally have realized, like every time I go home
Speaker 1: early and I don't know how to stay up. It's
Speaker 1: because everyone's on cocaine and no one is telling I
Speaker 1: don't do coke, so it's like I wouldn't do it,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I just keep thinking I'm a loser
Speaker 1: and all of you are coked up. Yeah, they are
Speaker 1: taking steroids of partying. Yeah, they're doping. This keeps happening
Speaker 1: to me where I'm like, oh, you guys, I gotta
Speaker 1: go to bed, And then the next da, everyone's like
Speaker 1: we're up till seven cocaine and I'm like, okay. They
Speaker 1: were telling me at night that this has happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm getting old, that I'm disconnected,
Speaker 1: that I can't party anymore.
Speaker 2: And this reminds me of how like, all through college
Speaker 2: I sort of thought everybody was just taking adderall and riddlin,
Speaker 2: but it was coke. Like I was like, oh, but
Speaker 2: it's at it's aderall right, They're like, yeah, it's adderall.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't realize until like we graduated that everybody
Speaker 1: was doing coke.
Speaker 2: Yeah damn, let us think about it. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't I've done it. I've done coke many times.
Speaker 2: It does nothing for me. I get no thrill out
Speaker 2: of it except I am awake talking nonsense to somebody
Speaker 2: at seven am, and I suddenly go, I gotta go
Speaker 2: to Why am I here? I gotta go home? Like
Speaker 2: that's all coke does to me.
Speaker 1: And it's people you don't like, because then I was
Speaker 1: just partying and someone came up and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we stayed up with this guy un till seven am
Speaker 1: or no, ten am, and I was like, do we
Speaker 1: even like this person? Yeah, yeah till ten am. What
Speaker 1: did you talk to this guy about? Yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: give me a euphoric feeling at all.
Speaker 2: I'm just awake, talking nonsense and dripping, dripping a fucking pipe.
Speaker 1: It's like a little faucet. I hate it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so the mom is crying with the detectives and she's
Speaker 1: obviously pissed, like you think I drugged my baby, and
Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, we're not jumping to any conclusions, and
Speaker 1: she of course goes, yeah you are. I'm black and
Speaker 1: I live in the projects, and you think I coked
Speaker 1: up my baby And Benson tells her gonna calm down, yea,
Speaker 1: her baby is o DK Season four she's Actually I've
Speaker 1: been watching a lot of Season twenty, don't ask, but
Speaker 1: it's like they regressed, Like Rollins is so like fuck
Speaker 1: the slut and Ben is full anti abortion in multiple episodes.
Speaker 1: I was like binge watching season twenty and it's just
Speaker 1: Rollin's being like, I don't know, she's a weak victim,
Speaker 1: that's a liar, she's a whore, and Benson going, you
Speaker 1: might regret, you might regret. I don't know, are you thirteen?
Speaker 1: Maybe still give birth to this baby? That's an inside
Speaker 1: Like Season twenty became anti abortion and a slut shaming season.
Speaker 1: It's really weird.
Speaker 2: Feel like they're trying to trojan horse it in with
Speaker 2: like now that lives a mom, you know, she maybe
Speaker 2: feels different about abortion, and it's like, no, I feel
Speaker 2: more strongly about abortion since I had kids than I
Speaker 2: ever have before.
Speaker 1: No. With Marishka, I think it's her religious yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think she's pro choice. I do think she's pah choice, yes,
Speaker 1: but I think personally she's anti mors. Yes, in terms
Speaker 1: of like she is an EP. She is the star
Speaker 1: of the show, and the storylines keep yeah happening. We're like,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: But then they do these big abortion episodes like the
Speaker 2: teen from Ohio who had to come to New York,
Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah.
Speaker 1: But I was watching a thirteen year old who gotten
Speaker 1: pregnated by her stepfather. And Benson's like, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a great mom. Oh no, what episode We've done the episode?
Speaker 1: We've done this one. And she's like, thirteen got married
Speaker 1: in Missouri. They're here, they lied, got the gay teacher killed.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, bowling trophy. Nothing, you don't you've done
Speaker 1: that one? I think, so, oh my god, I think
Speaker 1: we've done.
Speaker 2: What if I write Season twenty SVU bowling trophy, do
Speaker 2: you think it'll come up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a gay bowling trophy. But I can
Speaker 1: also find the good girl. Yeah, we haven't done that.
Speaker 1: We haven't. No, thank god.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, like my memory is
Speaker 2: truly rotting.
Speaker 1: Then if I'm watching it, going, oh I remember.
Speaker 2: If you've just watched it, you might think we did it,
Speaker 2: you know, but we we definitely haven't done that one.
Speaker 1: But we'll put it on the list. Well, let's put
Speaker 1: it on the list. Let's get the good.
Speaker 2: So we can talk about fucking these ridiculous regressive views.
Speaker 1: That's that's yeah, it's kind of unfortunate. All right, we're back,
Speaker 1: we're back, We're so. Then the mom is like, I
Speaker 1: work my ass off cleaning houses to keep me in
Speaker 1: Juan in that apartment. My mother was a junkie and
Speaker 1: I would never And Benson is growing out her pixie
Speaker 1: at this point, it's a side sweet bang era, and
Speaker 1: so she's like, well, tell me exactly what happened. So,
Speaker 1: through tears, the mom is like, I picked him up
Speaker 1: from daycare, I brought him home, I fed him, he
Speaker 1: wasn't that hungry. I put him to sleep, I put
Speaker 1: him in the crib, but when I checked on him,
Speaker 1: he was hardly breathing. And Sadler walks back with some
Speaker 1: news and Lynn starts crying and asking if her baby
Speaker 1: is dead, and he goes no. The doctors do confirm
Speaker 1: it's cocaine, though, and the cocaine was mixed in with
Speaker 1: the baby formula. So Lynd starts crying, where do you
Speaker 1: get where'd you get the formula? And sadly she did
Speaker 1: take it. So she cleans houses for this family, and
Speaker 1: she was broke. She was gonna return it. She just
Speaker 1: didn't have money, and she took the four meat from
Speaker 1: this home. So we go to the Fight for Home. Okay,
Speaker 1: obviously I think of Michelle Pfife for this whole episode.
Speaker 1: And Mom is like, oh my god, thank god you
Speaker 1: contacted me. I was just coming back from the park
Speaker 1: with Tommy tom and they use the baby Growth brand
Speaker 1: and she, you know, she's giving off rich blonde woman.
Speaker 1: She didn't even notice that any of the cans were missing.
Speaker 1: She buys them by the cases, And what a subtle
Speaker 1: way to show the difference between how people live, where
Speaker 1: like one person can't even afford formula and the other
Speaker 1: doesn't even notice when one goes missing. So then Benson
Speaker 1: gets a serious face and is like, you need to
Speaker 1: tell us where you got this. And when she goes,
Speaker 1: my husband goes to gentry market, like probably a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago. And now we know she's lying because
Speaker 1: her husband did an errand I don't think so. So
Speaker 1: then we're at Daniel Sunjada, former guests of the Pod.
Speaker 1: We're in the lab and they took all the baby
Speaker 1: formula off the shelves and all of them are clear.
Speaker 1: So and then from the Home forward, if only one
Speaker 1: other one had the same chemistry as the og killer
Speaker 1: one and it's ninety percent pure cocaine. So it's not like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like a little drippy drop. No, this baby
Speaker 1: is coked up. And so this is a smuggle situation.
Speaker 1: It must have come from south of the border, but
Speaker 1: how did it get on the onto the shelves. So
Speaker 1: then she Sunjada is like, well, baby formula is monitored
Speaker 1: very closely to the FDA, so we can match the
Speaker 1: number to the manufacture and really get some work done.
Speaker 1: Craigan called the FDA and they're pulling the product in
Speaker 1: a super fast and important recall, and so the precinct
Speaker 1: is buzzing. Everyone's working, you know, and every other baby
Speaker 1: formula from that plant are clean. But actually the other
Speaker 1: the two that were tainted were not made at that
Speaker 1: the same UH factory. They were made in a plant
Speaker 1: in Mexico. And then Finn goes Cartel country because you know,
Speaker 1: he used to work in narcotics. So how did the
Speaker 1: two cans for Mexico end up in the Peifer's closet.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's shelf and not closet, Okay, So then
Speaker 1: Craigan go, well, what do we know about them? Benson goes, well,
Speaker 1: the mom's home with the baby and the dad is
Speaker 1: a stockbroker classic, So we go visit daddy Pfeiffer and
Speaker 1: his name's Derek and so he's making stockbroker money and
Speaker 1: then drug money on the side. What's going on? And
Speaker 1: Munch gets off the phone. He goes, sounds like a
Speaker 1: perfect candidate. His credit reports in the dumper, filing for
Speaker 1: bankruptcy and he's and then his three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: debt miraculously erased, kind of like Brett Cavanaugh. I wonder
Speaker 1: who paid off his debts. So then Ring Ring Benson answers,
Speaker 1: and Munch and Craigan keep chatting, and Belle Zer goes,
Speaker 1: who says crime doesn't pay, and Benson hangs up sadly,
Speaker 1: the baby died. Joan is dead. Why did they have
Speaker 1: to do that? I know they they had to kill Juwan.
Speaker 1: We had to kill Juwan. It's so sad. I guess
Speaker 1: for the murder charge, but it's like, do we really
Speaker 1: have to war? Like I don't understand why we way
Speaker 1: to do this to this young mom? Like this is sad.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't need this. I don't need this.
Speaker 1: So Stabler's mad, and that's depraved indifference, a murder for
Speaker 1: whoever smuggled those drugs in. So Craigan orders them to
Speaker 1: go talk to this guy. So we're on broad Street
Speaker 1: and it's Crystalia's best friend, Brian Callan, and he sadly
Speaker 1: is in this show and an episode of Sex and
Speaker 1: the City. So it's really fucking annoying how much this
Speaker 1: man worked. But he was the guy that fucked carry
Speaker 1: like a rabbit for Charlotte's second wedding. Yeah, and injures her,
Speaker 1: and Munch is like, okay, sure, but now we got
Speaker 1: to figure out how like this stuff got into the house.
Speaker 1: And he keeps working, he's like barely paying attention as
Speaker 1: they talk to him. He's like, beats me. Munch asked Derek, like,
Speaker 1: have you taken any trips outside the country. He goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have clients all over the world, YadA, YadA, And
Speaker 1: without flinching, Munch is like, well we can go talk
Speaker 1: to customs, like, well, who the fuck do you think
Speaker 1: you're playing with right now? And he goes, oh yeah, ye, no,
Speaker 1: I did just come back from Mexico City company business.
Speaker 1: And he also doesn't think it looks good to be
Speaker 1: questions in the office and Munch goes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we thought that too, Why don't you come down to
Speaker 1: our office. He tries to fight it, but Finn is
Speaker 1: serious and is like, I'm gonna cuff you in front
Speaker 1: of all of your little coworkers if you don't get
Speaker 1: it together. So now the three of them are walking
Speaker 1: outside and he's like, I have meetings and things to do,
Speaker 1: and it's like your baby could have died and another
Speaker 1: baby is dead, so why don't you get it together
Speaker 1: and your meetings can wait? And then you know, they
Speaker 1: smell a rat and it's Tucker. It's Tucker baby, and
Speaker 1: he goes, listen, Craigan signed off on this, I'm taking
Speaker 1: him and Finn's like what narcotics wants him, like, what's
Speaker 1: going on? This is our case. Stabler comes in hot
Speaker 1: to confront Craigan. So we're back in the office and
Speaker 1: he's like what the fuck and Craigan is lost. He's like,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're talking about. Where is
Speaker 1: Peiffer And so now he realizes they've all been screwed,
Speaker 1: that Tucker's lying to everyone, and Craigan is fucking pissed
Speaker 1: and asks to take a ride. So Craigan walks right
Speaker 1: up to Tucker, pulls him by the collar and says,
Speaker 1: you lying son of a bitch, and he goes, not
Speaker 1: only are you trying to steal our case, but you
Speaker 1: want my people to think I'm in your pocket? And yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's fucking mad, and through gritted teeth, Tucker goes,
Speaker 1: get off me.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: They kind of fight back and forth and basically it's
Speaker 1: like where the fuck is Fiffer and they let him go.
Speaker 1: Craigan's like, what the fuck? He's a suspect and a
Speaker 1: murder investigation, and Tucker threatens that if any of his
Speaker 1: people go near Fiffer, they will go before a trial board.
Speaker 1: He goes, good, then you can explain why an infant
Speaker 1: died on your watch. And he wants to know what
Speaker 1: the hell is going on and Tucker tells him no
Speaker 1: and to leave, and Craigan pushes him, being like, if
Speaker 1: you're involved, that means a dirty cops involved. And Craigan
Speaker 1: wants a name, and Tucker tells him to go to hell,
Speaker 1: and it's like, are you all this is like so funny?
Speaker 2: Well, I will say, actually, there's a lot in the
Speaker 2: real crimes that influences the journey of IAB. I think
Speaker 2: in the show and like, what's happening here? I'll just
Speaker 2: I'll get to it later, but like you know whos
Speaker 2: it's all coming to me now.
Speaker 1: So then Stabler's like, so, what's the next move, boss,
Speaker 1: and Craigan goes, go pick him up. Sailor's like a
Speaker 1: scared little boy. He's like, wait, but i AB and
Speaker 1: Craigan goes, I don't give a fuck, tell him you're
Speaker 1: following orders and pick that mother fuck her up. So
Speaker 1: we go to pick up the motherfucker on the thirty
Speaker 1: fourth floor and guess what, he's on the bathroom floor.
Speaker 1: He is dead. He is not breathing. Surprise, surprise, Derek
Speaker 1: is dead. Somebody beat them to like to it. So
Speaker 1: munch in finner on the case and he was strangled
Speaker 1: by a cable and so we talked to his direct boss,
Speaker 1: Keith Gerard, and he's in season three s V as well.
Speaker 1: We've covered that episode or we have it, we do
Speaker 1: it in our live shows. But it's the Elizabeth Bank
Speaker 1: Zach Morris episode. Yeah, and he's Ray. Yeah, he's Ray
Speaker 1: Borland Boyland well the like the Willy Wonka porn guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, baby, Yeah, and he's also a sex in
Speaker 1: the city elm, so that's like really exciting. He wanted
Speaker 1: to have a threesomeless Charlotte, so that's really fun. But
Speaker 1: this dude, he can't even believe that this could happen
Speaker 1: in his building. You know, it's just like by the
Speaker 1: board stockbrokers. So since nine eleven, security has been so tight,
Speaker 1: So who the fuck made it into this building? Pinna
Speaker 1: Munt trying to get scooped from this boss who says
Speaker 1: that Derek has been acting different since his demotion, and
Speaker 1: they're like, whoa not a demotion, but yeah, all his
Speaker 1: biggest accounts lost millions and he used to run the
Speaker 1: floor but now he's a loser. And they're like, well, where,
Speaker 1: like where's he been, what's going on? He goes, well,
Speaker 1: there was a meeting with his managing partners. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't fight at all, which is rare, but he goes,
Speaker 1: here's all the information. No fighting. He's like, take the records,
Speaker 1: take the accounts. My assistant will give you everything you need.
Speaker 1: But also, if this was a hit, maybe his wife's
Speaker 1: in danger too. So Benson is now in the kitchen
Speaker 1: with the wife and like she's filling up a tea
Speaker 1: kettle and she's like, no, no, no, my husband would never
Speaker 1: be involved with drugs and they go, oh, no, he's
Speaker 1: definitely a drug smuggler. She goes no, no, no, absolutely not,
Speaker 1: and Sailor's like, well, did you know that your husband
Speaker 1: was demoted at work? She did not, and they're like,
Speaker 1: did you know he filed for bankruptcy. She's like, well,
Speaker 1: I knew we were in debt, so not everything is
Speaker 1: as it seems, so because in the beginning, I go,
Speaker 1: look at this rich family, but they're in debt. So
Speaker 1: Derek said he paid everything off and got a bonus
Speaker 1: for closing a big deal. And she puts down the
Speaker 1: kettle and then starts to cry. She's very confused. She's like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know about this. I didn't know about his job.
Speaker 1: He just worked long hours and they're like, what was
Speaker 1: he always in the office. She goes, well, three days
Speaker 1: a week. He entertained clients at the bowl and the Bear.
Speaker 1: So they keep pushing for more infos. She gets really frustrated.
Speaker 1: She's like, why are you asking me all these questions?
Speaker 1: And they're like, your husband is murdered and probably with
Speaker 1: his involvement in drugs and so they might want to
Speaker 1: murder you too, and so she goes, oh, no, are
Speaker 1: me and Tommy in danger? And it's like, yes, that's
Speaker 1: what we've been trying to say, as you've been calmly
Speaker 1: making tea and your husband is dead. So they offered
Speaker 1: to take her somewhere. She goes, no, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: go to my sister's house. They're like, has anyone threatened you?
Speaker 1: And she's back at the kettle. I get a life,
Speaker 1: she says. After the detectives left, another man knocked on
Speaker 1: the door, saying that Derek sent him to pick up
Speaker 1: the formula, and when she said she gave it to
Speaker 1: the detectives, this guy got really upset. But he had
Speaker 1: a badge done done now we know, like the dirty cop.
Speaker 1: So back in Craigan office, Tucker's yelling at everyone, I
Speaker 1: told you to back off the case. And Craton goes, actually, Tucker,
Speaker 1: you fucked up. You fucked up, and I will fuck
Speaker 1: you up even more. And then if like this is
Speaker 1: a rare moment, Tucker feels defeated, and so he starts
Speaker 1: spilling the news and like, now they're gonna do a
Speaker 1: joint task force. So the twice already NYP. Every time
Speaker 1: I say it, like whenever I use their terminology, I'm like,
Speaker 1: am I a cop? Okay? So twice anytime I say
Speaker 1: chief of detectives like joint tat, like any kind of
Speaker 1: words like that. So then so he starts spilling the news.
Speaker 1: So twice already NYPD have tried to infiltrate the baby
Speaker 1: formula cocaine ring, and but the undercovers got made both times,
Speaker 1: So there must be a bad cop in there as well, Like,
Speaker 1: Who's what's going on that all these undercovers keep being made?
Speaker 1: But also I just love that it's taken like months
Speaker 1: for any other department. But as he was about to
Speaker 1: crack the case in forty five minutes, So we need
Speaker 1: to find out who made this bad cokene formula and
Speaker 1: that killed that baby, Craigon goes, we're taking this on,
Speaker 1: So do you want us to help or do you
Speaker 1: want us to get the fuck out of your way?
Speaker 1: And you flop on your own, like what do you want?
Speaker 1: Tucker goes, fine, what do you need? So the whole
Speaker 1: list is fake id's vehicles, drugs, and buy money for starters.
Speaker 1: I mean I would love that. So then we're in
Speaker 1: business munch in. Finn enter the precinct with news that
Speaker 1: every single visitor to that building has been accounted for.
Speaker 1: So someone on the inside murdered Derek. So now we
Speaker 1: got to look at phone records what stands out? And
Speaker 1: Benson thinks what stands out as he calls his wife
Speaker 1: with a payphone when he was out, So like when
Speaker 1: he's at Bull in the Bear, he doesn't use his
Speaker 1: cell phone. He goes out to the payphone to call
Speaker 1: his wife. That is strange. So maybe he does business
Speaker 1: at the Bull and the Bear too, And so we
Speaker 1: go over there and Finn's like, honey, they'll know if
Speaker 1: I go there, like I look like a fucking cop.
Speaker 1: And Elliott he looks more like a corporate guy. And
Speaker 1: he's game, you know, he loves a little theater. So
Speaker 1: Finn and Olivia are gonna ghost him. And Finn gives
Speaker 1: advice like, hey, so they just lost their baby for
Speaker 1: me less scheme, so they need to find a new
Speaker 1: way to get drugs into the country. So be their
Speaker 1: solution to the problem. And you could really take that
Speaker 1: to any job interview. That's great advice. Be the solution
Speaker 1: to people's problems. Yeah, and so he knows he needs
Speaker 1: to like go in. He's gonna be vulnerable, and Finn's
Speaker 1: dropping him off like a proud little narcotics daddy, and
Speaker 1: Sailor's wearing glasses for this job. And Finn has more advice.
Speaker 1: He goes, never flash or buy money. And if they
Speaker 1: offer to buy, you know the test and you know it,
Speaker 1: give us. And then he gives him a little bit
Speaker 1: of cocaine and a secret recording advice that's not a
Speaker 1: wire that they can find because they're obviously professional criminals
Speaker 1: and there's backup everywhere. They're recording everywhere. And this bar
Speaker 1: is so basic, like if I was entertaining, obviously entertaining
Speaker 1: clients is just selling cocaine because this is a this
Speaker 1: is just an old timey pub, Like this is not sexy,
Speaker 1: this is not strip cluck like this is not a
Speaker 1: place you would entertain people spending millions. Absolutely not. No,
Speaker 1: Benson wildly over drives at this bar. Yes, while it
Speaker 1: looks like she just came back from opening night at
Speaker 1: the opera at Lincoln fucking Center, Like she is dressed
Speaker 1: insane in a black, sexy off the shoulders strappy number.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's supposed to be like a high end escort
Speaker 1: or something like this bar is shitty. I cannot stress
Speaker 1: this enough. My favorite kind of bar shitty shitty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could have.
Speaker 2: I guess it's like they have to really telegraph Benson
Speaker 2: is being undercover. Like they couldn't just have her like
Speaker 2: a sexy top in jeans because it wouldn't like make
Speaker 2: it clear enough, I feel, you know, So they have
Speaker 2: to like always put her in straight from the opera gear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah they could. I mean, they could have just
Speaker 1: put a wig on her, all right, so and hide
Speaker 1: that hair. I don't think so. So then Sabler comes in, cocky,
Speaker 1: he asks for a beer, last one on the left, whatever,
Speaker 1: and the whatever the lady's having. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: this flirt. I like love the flirting. She's drinking Scotch
Speaker 1: on the rocks, so she's a real guyscal She thanks him.
Speaker 1: They have a little flirt. The total is twelve dollars.
Speaker 1: It's twelve dollars for a fucking tap beer and a
Speaker 1: fucking Scotch on the rocks is twelve dollars. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what those were the days? Like, honestly, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: I used to get a picture of beer in college
Speaker 2: for five dollars, like you know, things are things are expensive.
Speaker 1: So then a little cocaine falls out of Stabler's pocket
Speaker 1: and the bartender sees it too, and this moves really
Speaker 1: quickly for talking about an illegal operation. So the baggie
Speaker 1: of coke falls. I guess it's like pretty normal for
Speaker 1: a Wall Street bar. And then it goes straight to like,
Speaker 1: oh is that good? He goes, and then the bartender goes,
Speaker 1: I have something better. There's a dealer in the back,
Speaker 1: ready to do business and talk. It's like it just
Speaker 1: seems crazy. You're like to be this trusting of just one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Benson's fake name is Donna, which I love and whatever.
Speaker 1: So now there's a resident dealer and we go to
Speaker 1: the resident dealer, and now I'm like, I wonder if
Speaker 1: there's resident dealers that like every bar I go to,
Speaker 1: and like I just don't notice, And now I was like,
Speaker 1: should I be noticing? Like then the bartender comes back
Speaker 1: and goes, you know, our resident dealer actually wants to
Speaker 1: talk to you, like they're such bad criminals.
Speaker 2: He talked to you immediately, and you look like you're
Speaker 2: in the market, Like it's really funny.
Speaker 1: So they go to the bathroom. The guy obviously pushes
Speaker 1: them against the wall. You're trying to sell shit on
Speaker 1: my turf? What the fuck? He goes. Who the hell
Speaker 1: are you? He goes, I'm a guy who's spot you're
Speaker 1: parked in, and I don't like competition, and I'm on
Speaker 1: the dealer's side for sure on this one, like you
Speaker 1: can't just be like throwing your bag of coke anywhere
Speaker 1: you want. And the guys Stabler is acting as is insane.
Speaker 1: Sailor's aloof like what what what's going on here? He's
Speaker 1: like the bartender said you were interested. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem, dude, and then they become friends. Immediately they
Speaker 1: talk cocaine business. They talk numbers, three hund grams every
Speaker 1: two weeks. The guy's impressed. He goes, I think mine's better.
Speaker 1: So they decide to meet at the seaport entrance at
Speaker 1: eight pm. They want to meet and the guy goes,
Speaker 1: bring your money. So now we're down there and there's
Speaker 1: another guy who spins him and says shut up, frisks him.
Speaker 1: Stablor goes, nice to meet you too, and the new
Speaker 1: man is like, you got the money, and Stablah goes, wow, Wow, Wow, Bethany, Wow,
Speaker 1: you don't support other women. So that happens, and then
Speaker 1: you want to show me the product and he rubs
Speaker 1: it in his hands and he says it's a little
Speaker 1: better than mine and I didn't know, like rubbing in
Speaker 1: the hands like tests the coke. So then more drug
Speaker 1: business talk. They try to make him test it. He goes,
Speaker 1: fuck you, I get randomly drug tested at work. I
Speaker 1: can't do it. So they start making a deal. So
Speaker 1: the first deal doesn't work for him, but the guy
Speaker 1: takes a gun out and arrests him. He has a
Speaker 1: gold shield, so we found the dirty cop immediately, Like
Speaker 1: these guys are so bad at crime. So then Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: are you gonna read me my rights? He goes, you
Speaker 1: don't have any rights, So they all and so then
Speaker 1: everyone's on the screens, you know, watching, So them beat
Speaker 1: the crap out of Stabler and then they go to
Speaker 1: the another location, and you know, he wants to prove
Speaker 1: he's the alpha. So they're beating the shit out of
Speaker 1: Stabler and he's like, wait, I hope you didn't bring
Speaker 1: me here to just to kick my ass, and he
Speaker 1: starts reading fake facts like from his oh he looked
Speaker 1: him up. So Gregory Elliott married four kids Forrest Hills House.
Speaker 1: You still have that gambling problem, greg and Saber goes, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, a little side project for you. What are
Speaker 1: you doing? And he keeps going station operations for Global
Speaker 1: Package Express? What the fuck does that mean? And Gregory goes,
Speaker 1: I run worldwide shipping stations. I don't know, and so
Speaker 1: obviously it's a lot of travel, and that's exactly what
Speaker 1: they're looking for a solution. So they try to rope
Speaker 1: him in with his like packaging job. Elliott goes, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I sell small quantities for fun. And he's like, I
Speaker 1: do this for an old friend. I'm chill. But the
Speaker 1: cop says, oh, babe, I have you with enough that
Speaker 1: can put you away for life with a felony. They
Speaker 1: unhook him. They say you have told tomorrow to decide
Speaker 1: life in prison or be a drug bule. And then
Speaker 1: the cop says, call me Kendall and one more thing,
Speaker 1: punches him in the face for his attitude. So they
Speaker 1: drive off tires squealing, and now we're back at work.
Speaker 1: So this Kendall guy, he's been on the job for
Speaker 1: thirteen years and nine of those years he was in
Speaker 1: Manhattan narcotics. He has lots of decorations, so at one
Speaker 1: point he was a good cop. And Benson's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he just watched all these drug people get
Speaker 1: rich while he was a loser and decided he wanted
Speaker 1: a little taste. So Finn's like, damn, I should have
Speaker 1: done that. I would have been so rich, And Benson
Speaker 1: adds he matches the description that Mama Feiffer gave of
Speaker 1: the cop who came looking for the formula. It was
Speaker 1: also the first time that the door guys saw Kendall,
Speaker 1: which means the exchange probably happened at the bar. But
Speaker 1: then Stabler asks, well, who was the butt boy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And the butt boy is the
Speaker 1: dealer at the bar. So that's Frank Berry, thirty in
Speaker 1: and out of jail, mostly for possession. They're soldiers, they're
Speaker 1: not had people like he wouldn't know more information. He's
Speaker 1: like a loser. So but we don't know how big
Speaker 1: this is. And there's obviously more runners than just like
Speaker 1: this dead guy Peiffer. These guys aren't in charge. They
Speaker 1: need to get new drugs and people like quick, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because all these customers are gonna
Speaker 1: find new cocaine dealers. It's an addiction. So then Stabler
Speaker 1: goes to meet Kendall at a restaurant. So we're at
Speaker 1: this restaurant and Kendall's like, why are we here? Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: this is where I do business, and he's like, I
Speaker 1: don't remember us talking about money while you were kicking
Speaker 1: my ass, So let's get down to business. He goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm letting you stay out of jail. That should be
Speaker 1: enough nothing to talk about. Stabler is like, okay, what's
Speaker 1: stopping me from going to the cops and telling them
Speaker 1: that they're shaking me down? He goes, I'm a hero cop,
Speaker 1: and he goes, who do you think they're gonna believe?
Speaker 1: And Stabler's character is like, you must think I'm some
Speaker 1: dumb ass punk. Huh. You know what? I think you're
Speaker 1: trying to stay in business. And then Kendall smiles and
Speaker 1: he says, you got a crystal ball. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: but you sure are acting desperate. Your blackmailing meat to
Speaker 1: work for you desperado, and he goes, okay, hero cop,
Speaker 1: lock me up. And then they sit in silence and
Speaker 1: Kendall knows you he's been gotten, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Gregory Elliott wants a third of the profits and for
Speaker 1: whatever he ships, and he also wants to know the
Speaker 1: scoop of what went wrong, and Kendall goes, no, I
Speaker 1: don't share that kind of stuff, and then Stabler goes, well,
Speaker 1: I don't do business with liars and screw ups, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I just love this, and then Kendall goes, I'll take
Speaker 1: you to my people, and Sablor bullies him your people,
Speaker 1: what you can't make your own deal? I guess you're
Speaker 1: a fucking loser. Doesn't sound like you're that high up
Speaker 1: the food chain, and he throws cash on the table
Speaker 1: and says, try the veal. It's great. Ah, I love it.
Speaker 1: And then Stabler back at work with his dress shirt's
Speaker 1: a little loosen. I think he knows he did like
Speaker 1: a good job at work. And basically what they want
Speaker 1: from Stabler or from Gregory Elliott, is to bring in
Speaker 1: ten boxes of terra cotta tiles and the tiles are
Speaker 1: going to be made out of a cocaine base, four
Speaker 1: kilos of boxes, and each one is worth eighty k.
Speaker 1: And then the cover story is he's retiling the kitchen
Speaker 1: and all of this is gonna come from Mexico City.
Speaker 1: Cabin and Craigan are like, wait, fuck, that's out of
Speaker 1: our jurisdiction and our league. You have to tell Kendall
Speaker 1: you can't do that, and someone in Mexico City can
Speaker 1: do the drop and then like you will pick it
Speaker 1: up at your Forest Hills house. So then the delivery
Speaker 1: company can drive it off and then Kendall can like
Speaker 1: come pick up the tiles from you. Craigan's gonna get
Speaker 1: Da Involved two for the operation and make everything like
Speaker 1: to make sure everything goes okay in Mexico and at
Speaker 1: the house. So but the cabot's kind of nervous and says, well,
Speaker 1: Kendall could be working with Dea as well, and Craigan goes, well,
Speaker 1: it's a chance we'll have to make. So now we're
Speaker 1: at a giant nice house and all the boxes are here.
Speaker 1: Kendall's get ready to get the tiles. They rip open
Speaker 1: the box. Yes, yes, tiles are made of cocaine. Kendall goes, damn,
Speaker 1: this is the most we've been able to bring in
Speaker 1: at once in a really long time. Stabler goes, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: happy customer. That'll be two hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: and then Kendall has a gym bag of cash. But
Speaker 1: then Benson comes out, honey, are those the tile And
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, she was also at the bar, like
Speaker 1: everything is moving so fast, so fast. Stabler goes, no, honey,
Speaker 1: there's a mistake. We're gonna exchange them, and then he goes,
Speaker 1: ours are in the van, but Benson runs down anyways
Speaker 1: and goes, baby, you got a shower. We have to
Speaker 1: be at Vanessa and Glens in two hours. And then
Speaker 1: the shipping van starts driving back up to the house
Speaker 1: and Kendall looks panicked, and Kendall takes out his gun
Speaker 1: and yells get everyone back back back and then runs
Speaker 1: off into the yard. Stabler runs after him, screams, police, Kendall, freeze, freeze,
Speaker 1: drop the gun, drop your gun. He decides to do
Speaker 1: suicide by cops. Stabler has to shoot him. He says,
Speaker 1: call a bus and he shook. He goes, that's son
Speaker 1: of a bitch wanted me to shoot him. Craigan says
Speaker 1: he didn't have the guts to do it himself, which
Speaker 1: is weird. It's weird, like, yeah, and I don't love it,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's that I don't think it takes guts to
Speaker 1: do that, and uh, you know season four. So Stabler's
Speaker 1: like really bothered by what happens and confused, and tears
Speaker 1: are forming in his eye and obviously this this is
Speaker 1: gonna lead to an IAB meeting. Tucker is being surly
Speaker 1: as usual and suspicious, like Kendall didn't even fire your weapon.
Speaker 1: You did, And it's like Kendall's been selling cocaine for
Speaker 1: nine years. Yeah, why do you suddenly trust him more
Speaker 1: than Stabler, well, who also breaks the rules. Never mind,
Speaker 1: Saber's like I told you before millions of times, over
Speaker 1: and over. He picked up his gun and pointed it
Speaker 1: at me. I think I forgot to say. They're doing
Speaker 1: like an you know, the private Private Talks, Private Talks
Speaker 1: investigation discussion. Tucker doesn't care. He's on modified duty, restricted
Speaker 1: to the office until the investigation's complete aka end of
Speaker 1: the episode, so he's not allowed to make arrests or
Speaker 1: interrogate anybody, and he's pissed to be at the priest sink.
Speaker 1: He goes, this motherfucker makes me shoot him and I
Speaker 1: get investigated. Fuck you. Benson goes I don't know, Maybe
Speaker 1: you should take a few vacation days. He says, no,
Speaker 1: not until I find out who bankrolled Kendall. He killed
Speaker 1: the only lead we have, and Finn and Craigan are
Speaker 1: at the whiteboard and Kendall killed Fifer choked his ass out,
Speaker 1: and now we find out that there was Dandriff left
Speaker 1: on the body, and that Dandriff matches Kendall.
Speaker 2: So that's like, I didn't know that was a thing
Speaker 2: that you could identify Dandriff.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's skin cells. Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: the hair, it's all of it. But like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: always should their evidence, You always leave evidence behind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got some should be humiliated like this after get
Speaker 1: like you're dead, you've been your disgraced cop and now
Speaker 1: I know you have dandruff busted by Dandriff. Oh humiliating.
Speaker 1: So yeah, make sure your scalp is nice and not
Speaker 1: flaky if you're planning to commit some murders. So now
Speaker 1: they're brainstorming altogether. How do we get to the top.
Speaker 1: Guy Munch hangs up the phone and goes, well, maybe
Speaker 1: the woman Fifer might have some answers. We found the
Speaker 1: bag of formula in her kitchen and if Derek's bringing
Speaker 1: it in but like customs, YadA YadA trips to Mexico.
Speaker 1: She also traveled with him the last three weeks, and
Speaker 1: she made five round trips, all different flights than her husband.
Speaker 1: So duh, the mom is smuggling the cans. Traveling with
Speaker 1: the babies. A few extra canisters of baby formula doesn't
Speaker 1: set anybody off. And Benson's like, duh, that's why she
Speaker 1: denied protective custody. She's the mule, not Derek. Damn.
Speaker 2: But meanwhile, I'm getting every single bottle of my breast
Speaker 2: milk now swabbed at the airport.
Speaker 1: Because of shit like this.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not letting you through with the formula
Speaker 2: cans anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought it was just nine to eleven stuff.
Speaker 1: Is it because of drug deals?
Speaker 2: I think it's because I think they used to probably,
Speaker 2: I mean this is post nine to eleven. I think
Speaker 2: they were like letting people through like that were moms
Speaker 2: and stuff. I don't think they were that, but like, uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I just know that
Speaker 2: like they will open up your breast milk and like
Speaker 2: test every single fucking thing that you have and it's
Speaker 2: really annoying when you like a baby with you too,
Speaker 2: But I'll get into that more later too.
Speaker 1: But we know Derek is involved too, so we got
Speaker 1: to go talk to his boss again, like what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on? So they go talk to Keith
Speaker 1: your Art aka Roy Boyland, and Craigan wants to come
Speaker 1: with and stayble to stay because Stable has to stay
Speaker 1: in the office, So Benson and Craigan head on down.
Speaker 1: He's sticking to the story that he was working with
Speaker 1: a billionaire entrepreneur who's afraid to fly. But Benson's like, wait,
Speaker 1: it wasn't Derek a demoted loser? Why would you trust
Speaker 1: him with your billionaire clients? And so it's like a
Speaker 1: walk and talk. He tells his assistant to fact something
Speaker 1: to Chicago Pampa Pranpa. He's being dismissive of the detectives.
Speaker 1: He's annoyed, and he's hitting the space bar of his
Speaker 1: desktop a lot, and then he finally is like, what
Speaker 1: does this have to do with Derek's death? And they go, well,
Speaker 1: he's smuggling coke on your dime and he shocked. He goes,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? They go yeah, with his wife
Speaker 1: and son and he giggles, and I knew this couldn't
Speaker 1: be true. It's not Derek because Derek and Laura don't
Speaker 1: have any children, so who the fuck ism they rented
Speaker 1: some kid out for drug muling, Like this is wild.
Speaker 1: Cregan's like, there's no way that this is the only baby.
Speaker 1: I bet there's a ring of mothers, a ring of babies. Like,
Speaker 1: we need to go talk to Laura, who's staying at
Speaker 1: her sister's house to get some information off of Staten Island.
Speaker 1: So they go over there. They go to the house.
Speaker 1: They hear a baby crying and crying. Nobody's helping the baby,
Speaker 1: no one's answering the door, and then they also see
Speaker 1: broken glass in a window, so they're like, we have
Speaker 1: to go in there. That's cause to enter. When they
Speaker 1: entswer Benson picks up the baby. The baby stops crying
Speaker 1: immediately as she comforts him. She's like, wait are you Maricha?
Speaker 1: And so then Laura and the sister are dead shot
Speaker 1: in the head, left the baby to cry. So I'm
Speaker 1: glad the baby. So many fucking twists. This is truly
Speaker 1: like an HBO like premiere drama in the tooth, like
Speaker 1: late two thousand like, this is so much. This is Homeland,
Speaker 1: this is Homeland, this is so good Prestige, So this
Speaker 1: prestige television, so many twists and terms. Everyone's dead. I'm
Speaker 1: happy the baby's alive, but very Dexter coded. This baby's
Speaker 1: obviously gonna have trauma. And then I was watching the
Speaker 1: newest Dexter series that I hated but on the in
Speaker 1: the air and I liked it in the skies, so
Speaker 1: I'm I, ah, everything's different. Yeah, So the time of
Speaker 1: death is four to eight hours ago, so it couldn't
Speaker 1: have been Kendall because we were talking to him. So
Speaker 1: who is tying up loose ends? Is it the cartel?
Speaker 1: And Finn goes, no, fuck no, the cartel would have
Speaker 1: killed the baby, Like are you kidding them? Bunsen runs
Speaker 1: out with the news that Tommy was Laura's nephew. So
Speaker 1: then we give stablers something to do. While he's in
Speaker 1: the office, he's gonna search murderers that like happening that
Speaker 1: are involving infants, because maybe it's like all these moms
Speaker 1: are getting killed right now with the babies being kept alive,
Speaker 1: So are there murders happening right now that are tying
Speaker 1: up the loose ends that with infants. So now they're
Speaker 1: all on the calls. They're calling everyone, and we hear
Speaker 1: Finn on a call go, yeah, I'm serious. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not being difficult, yes, with a baby. But it's also
Speaker 1: like not that crazy of a request. It's like svu,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Why? But then uh, and
Speaker 1: then Finn has attitude about this too. He goes, totuola,
Speaker 1: you want me to spell it for you? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not a common name. That too? Oh you, Like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about? Finn? He's acting
Speaker 1: like tootuola it is smith, like we should all to
Speaker 1: spell it. Staylor's yelling at everyone because he's a menace.
Speaker 1: He wants his gun back. And then Kathy's wildly there.
Speaker 1: She's bringing him dinner, trying to calm him down, begging
Speaker 1: him to eat. It's after midnight. Who's with the kids?
Speaker 1: Who's with the kids.
Speaker 2: So I have some I sort of have a theory
Speaker 2: that like the older teens are watching oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: or that like Kathy has siblings or in the area
Speaker 2: that are helping.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he couldn't get his own sandwich. This is
Speaker 1: not this is nuts. So he kisses her with his
Speaker 1: eyes wide open while looking at the pushpin board, like
Speaker 1: he won't even close his eyes for a kiss. He's
Speaker 1: like still looking at the evidence. Cragan runs out of
Speaker 1: his office goes, Olivia, grab your coat. Another one in Queen's.
Speaker 1: One body found in water. Stabler's devastated to be missing out.
Speaker 1: So we go to Queen's homicide. Two victims dead, an
Speaker 1: eight month old babies screaming in another room. So they're
Speaker 1: letting the babies live, thank god, but they're killing all
Speaker 1: the caretakers. But in Staten Island it was a break
Speaker 1: in and all the rest of them, it's no sign
Speaker 1: of force entry, so like the victims knew who they
Speaker 1: led into the home. So then Benson finds an invoice
Speaker 1: to Keith Gerard, the finance boss, and it's said that
Speaker 1: the victim did landscaping for him. That's no coincidence. This
Speaker 1: motherfucker is the top dog, the finance stockbroker is the
Speaker 1: top dog. He's dealing drugs from the brokerage firm. He's
Speaker 1: renting babies from people who work for him that need
Speaker 1: the money, like a landscaper. And now he has to
Speaker 1: kill all of these people that are just working hard
Speaker 1: and leaving these babies with no parents. So we rushed
Speaker 1: back to the office. The secretary goes, oh, he's at
Speaker 1: the corporate daycare center. Oh my god. Benson hook swaying.
Speaker 1: Benson and Craigan run to the care but not before
Speaker 1: it's telling the secretary like, if this motherfucker calls, do
Speaker 1: not tell him we're here. She's confused, but she doesn't.
Speaker 1: I bet she doesn't get paid enough to care. So
Speaker 1: or it's a bustling kids center, parents and kids everywhere
Speaker 1: they spot Keith. He spots them. He grabs a woman,
Speaker 1: puts a guns to her head. Immediately all guns are out.
Speaker 1: We're doing like a hallway. You know, he's walking with
Speaker 1: this woman with a gun to the head. Craigan and
Speaker 1: Benson are like, don't do it, don't do it. And
Speaker 1: then Craigan and Benson see Finn, who's behind him. So
Speaker 1: Finn is like sneaking in another like in another hallway
Speaker 1: stairway behind So then scream Keith is like, you think
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking idiot, And Benson and Craigan, knowing Finn's there,
Speaker 1: go fine, will lower a fucking weapons, so they and
Speaker 1: so then that makes Keith trusts them. He lets go
Speaker 1: of the woman, throws her and starts to run away,
Speaker 1: but Finn is there to push him down the stairs,
Speaker 1: so he goes toppling down the stairs. I thought the
Speaker 1: woman he threw looked familiar, but when I looked her up,
Speaker 1: she only had one credit and the credit is woman
Speaker 1: in SVU, So I was wrong. So he's on the ground.
Speaker 1: Fincuffs him. Keith is like, I can make you guys rich.
Speaker 1: Benson goes, why don't you use that money for a
Speaker 1: fancy lawyer. You're gonna need it to appeal the death penalty.
Speaker 1: And then to me, I'm like, why not just do
Speaker 1: the drugs? Why the murder? Just go to Brazil, Like
Speaker 1: you could have already been on a flight leaving the
Speaker 1: country and never be seen again. Like, I'm really confused
Speaker 1: why you had to, Like, who cares about the loose ends.
Speaker 1: You're the top dog. Get the fuck out of the country.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could afford a private jet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think guys like this, just think if I
Speaker 2: just clean it up and get rid of the people involved,
Speaker 2: I can keep living my life and go my merry way.
Speaker 1: The cops won't have a case. Yeah, I'm sure he's
Speaker 1: murdered before, Like, murder is not even that yeah, ye
Speaker 1: oh yeah. Like he's like, whatever, sa, I'll murder a
Speaker 1: few moms, yeah yeah, yeah, out of my way. So
Speaker 1: Craigan puts Stabler's gun and badge onto his desk. The
Speaker 1: DA office isn't dragging him in front of a grand jury,
Speaker 1: and iab cleared him in two days. Stabler's shocked how
Speaker 1: soon this happened, and Craigan's like, yeah, they're trying to
Speaker 1: spare their own embarrassment, but Sailor isn't buying it. He goes,
Speaker 1: what did this cost you? And Craigan goes, not nearly
Speaker 1: what it's worth. I don't know is that good or
Speaker 1: I don't know if that means not. I don't know
Speaker 1: what else I don't know. They stare into each other's
Speaker 1: eyes deeply. Benson walks in. They all got they got
Speaker 1: all the ten mothers, and I wonder what the charges
Speaker 1: are gonna be. But Girard gave them twenty grand to
Speaker 1: rent the babies, and Benson asks, hey, are you gonna
Speaker 1: Are they making you see a shrink? He says yes.
Speaker 1: She asks you've been there? Not yet? He responds, and
Speaker 1: she's like I thought I was okay when I shot
Speaker 1: that guy too, But even a low lifelike Kendall is
Speaker 1: gonna stay with you. Stabler cuts her off, goes, I
Speaker 1: need to go home, and you know, thanks her for
Speaker 1: her kind words. And then Benson goes, how long has
Speaker 1: that sandwich been there? And he goes, I got busy.
Speaker 1: It's all yours. So she's gonna eat Stabler's leftover sandwich.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure Kathy makes a mean, a mean sandwich,
Speaker 1: and she asks you sleeping? He says yeah, but then
Speaker 1: he turns his back before exiting and asked, seeing the shrink,
Speaker 1: did that help? And she goes not much, and they
Speaker 1: stare at each other. He goes home. I guess she
Speaker 1: eats the sandwich. That's a dickwolf baby, A true a
Speaker 1: true classic. I mean, just.
Speaker 2: So many fucking twists and turns. There's a bunch of
Speaker 2: places where they could have just ended it now.
Speaker 1: It's an incredible episode from start to finish, so many babies,
Speaker 1: so much twists, like I was surprised the whole time,
Speaker 1: Like I fucking love this episode. It's really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well let's get into the true crimes. Because
Speaker 2: they borrowed a lot from real life, obviously. The very
Speaker 2: first portion of the episode is based on the overdose
Speaker 2: of Chantelle Lisby. She was an eleven month old girl
Speaker 2: who was living in foster care with her siblings, a
Speaker 2: brother aged two and a sister aged five. They'd been
Speaker 2: abused by their parents, so in September of ninety nine,
Speaker 2: they replaced with a twenty six year old foster mother
Speaker 2: named Letitia Jefferson, who had her own daughter eleven and
Speaker 2: son four. I just think twenty six seems really young
Speaker 2: to have five kids under your care. But I know
Speaker 2: it's not a perfect system, but that seems like quite
Speaker 2: a young person to be taking all that on. On
Speaker 2: June first of two thousand, Jefferson took Chantelle to Woodhull
Speaker 2: Medical and Mental Health Center in Brooklyn because she was
Speaker 2: having seizures and was unconscious, and much like the episode,
Speaker 2: she tested positive for cocaine in her system, and sadly,
Speaker 2: she died shortly after being admitted to the hospital, and
Speaker 2: later an autopsy confirmed that cocaine was the cause of death.
Speaker 2: So immediately her siblings were returned to ACS custody. Her
Speaker 2: biological children were removed from the home in place with
Speaker 2: a family member. She had no criminal record, but her boyfriend,
Speaker 2: who frequently stayed in the home, who was twenty one,
Speaker 2: had a bunch of drug arrests. ACS and NYPD investigated
Speaker 2: whether the ingestion of the cocaine was accidental or intentional.
Speaker 2: And the saddest part is, I cannot find another thing
Speaker 2: about it. There's a few New York posts, like, you know,
Speaker 2: like New York Times article is about, like, you know,
Speaker 2: baby found with cocaine. But then, sadly, I think because
Speaker 2: it's a black child, it's not front page news at anymore,
Speaker 2: and they just I have no idea if they got
Speaker 2: like all we got was like there was some coverage
Speaker 2: after the autopsy confirmed it was cocaine was the cause
Speaker 2: of death.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's so it's fucked. I looked everywhere.
Speaker 2: I was looking up the mom's name, I was looking
Speaker 2: up the baby's name, I was looking up everything. I
Speaker 2: could not find whether this was dude to any kind
Speaker 2: of you know, intentional like that. The baby, I mean,
Speaker 2: this kid was eleven months old, so possibly walking she
Speaker 2: could have gotten into some cocaine. I seriously doubt anybody
Speaker 2: would just give a baby cocaine for shit.
Speaker 1: But I'm also shocked that her boyfriend had drug arrests
Speaker 1: and she was still able to say and she was
Speaker 1: cleared to be a foster parent. Yeah. Yeah, they might
Speaker 1: not have known. He might not have existed when she
Speaker 1: was cleared.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, so I think they grabbed
Speaker 2: the overdose of the baby from here, but then the
Speaker 2: full drug smuggling ring with the babies is all real.
Speaker 2: In December of two thousand and one, FEDS charged thirty
Speaker 2: five people with running an international drug smuggling ring where
Speaker 2: women traveling with infants transported cocaine and heroin in cans
Speaker 2: of baby formula. So this is what two years before
Speaker 2: this episode came out, like, this episode was like three Yeah,
Speaker 2: so some of the infants were like in the episode,
Speaker 2: not the women's children. They were rented from low income families.
Speaker 2: And I use the word rented in quotes because you
Speaker 2: don't rent a child over two years. This investigation covers
Speaker 2: two years of female couriers flying thirty four times with
Speaker 2: twenty different babies from Chicago to Panama. So basically they
Speaker 2: would fly down there, pick up the formula, then that
Speaker 2: was injected with liquefied cocaine, and then fly back. Others
Speaker 2: smug cocaine from Jamaica inside of rum bottles, the handles
Speaker 2: of their suitcases, or sometimes it like put into their
Speaker 2: body cavities. It says like, I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: condoms or what or whatever we're talking about. But drugs
Speaker 2: were then circulated in Chicago and New York, but then
Speaker 2: also some abroad in like UK, like London and other
Speaker 2: parts of England. So some of the babies came from
Speaker 2: Englewood on Chicago's South Side of Chicago. Their parents were
Speaker 2: paid between two hundred to two thousand dollars plus marijuana
Speaker 2: in some cases, to send their babies on trips that
Speaker 2: ranged from two days to two weeks.
Speaker 1: What's you what's your what's your price? Skara? What are
Speaker 1: you gonna write out little Oscar for? Honestly, you guys
Speaker 1: don't want Oscar. He's gonna tattle, he's gonna tell, he
Speaker 1: will not stop monologuing, and he's gonna tell, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: today we drove faster apartment building and Oscar goes, why
Speaker 1: does Lisa not live there anymore?
Speaker 2: And I was like, she moved to New York And
Speaker 2: he was like why. I was like, because she wants
Speaker 2: to live there? Who was your building?
Speaker 1: Is still there?
Speaker 2: Your building to them? But the daughter of Keith Moore
Speaker 2: thirty five and Marissa Hardy twenty two. Their daughter made
Speaker 2: six trips, the first one when she was three weeks old.
Speaker 2: Like this is dangerous, Like these babies are not vaccinated
Speaker 2: at that point, Like they're so little, they're so susceptible
Speaker 2: to like getting sick.
Speaker 1: It's like really bad.
Speaker 2: A courier was arrested with more and Hardy's baby in
Speaker 2: London and where they also found six kilos of cocaine
Speaker 2: in eighteen formula cans. Obviously, the parents lost custody were
Speaker 2: charged with renting their children. They didn't end up murdered
Speaker 2: by like the cartel or whatever. But the whole operation
Speaker 2: was uncovered when a customs official at Newark Airport stopped
Speaker 2: a woman in January of ninety nine. She was traveling
Speaker 2: to London and they found six formula cans filled with
Speaker 2: liquid cocaine. Now, the people who supplied the drugs were
Speaker 2: apparently named Classy or Clay Clacy. I don't know how
Speaker 2: you say that name Clacy Watson Herrera and Byron Watson
Speaker 2: of Montego Bay, Jamaica I had no idea this was
Speaker 2: all coming out of Jamaica. This is very not iri
Speaker 2: if you've been to Jamaica. They supplied the drugs. They
Speaker 2: would liquefy the cocaine in a blender with hot water,
Speaker 2: then use a syringe to put the coke into the
Speaker 2: formula cans through these like tiny holes that they would drill,
Speaker 2: and then they would close the whole like solder it
Speaker 2: closed and reattach the formula labels.
Speaker 1: So that's how they did it.
Speaker 2: Each sixteen ounce can held up to seven hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars worth of cocaine, which was later turned into crack
Speaker 2: for sale on the streets. Authorities seized twenty kilos of
Speaker 2: cocaine on four trips, and they believe as many as
Speaker 2: forty five trips were made. The suspects all faced five
Speaker 2: years to life and finds it up to four million
Speaker 2: and Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who was the US Attorney for
Speaker 2: the Northern District of Illinois, said this operation preyed on
Speaker 2: the great respect that we as human beings afford all
Speaker 2: mothers and babies and betrayed that respect brazenly renting baby
Speaker 2: for the purpose of allowing drug dealers to smuggle cocaine
Speaker 2: is truly a new low and that's that on that,
Speaker 2: But then the kendle of it all is based on
Speaker 2: a very interesting case, the Michael Dowd case. Now this
Speaker 2: is felt like kind of like fascinating how this all
Speaker 2: ties into the SVU universe at large. Michael Dowd was
Speaker 2: born and raised New Yorker who became a cop in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two and eventually worked in the seventy fifth
Speaker 2: Precinct in East New York, which is a part of
Speaker 2: Brooklyn that was very rough in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 2: So the guy drove this guy, Dowd drove a red
Speaker 2: Corvette to work and occasionally had a limo pick him
Speaker 2: up from work so he could go.
Speaker 1: To Atlanta City.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean, if you're do whatever you're doing,
Speaker 2: you're trying to get noticed or you're dumb. And that
Speaker 2: is because from nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 2: Dowd and his partner Kenneth Kenny Murrel were part of
Speaker 2: a corrupt gang of officers inside his precinct who robed
Speaker 2: drug dealer and then dealt cocaine.
Speaker 1: They would warn.
Speaker 2: Dealers about raids, they would give the dealers guns and badges.
Speaker 2: They even stole food from a church one time that
Speaker 2: was for needy people, so.
Speaker 1: You know, the worst of the worst.
Speaker 2: There was also an alleged abduction of a queenswoman that
Speaker 2: happened as well, and apparently Dowd and Urrell they were
Speaker 2: working with a cartel. They were working with several drug
Speaker 2: dealers and some cartels who wanted to kill this woman
Speaker 2: after her husband stole two hundred thousand dollars of coke
Speaker 2: from them. So unfortunately for Dowd, his partner Kenny Murrel
Speaker 2: had already turned on him and was working for the FEDS,
Speaker 2: so he was wearing a wire every time they met
Speaker 2: to talk about this kidnapping. So when the kidnapping was planned,
Speaker 2: the FEDS were able to swoop in and rescue that woman,
Speaker 2: so she was never kidnapped. But that that's only because
Speaker 2: the partner had already turned and was like an informant.
Speaker 2: So now Dowd was also an enforcer for the Diaz Organization,
Speaker 2: which was a Dominican cartel. He gave them protection and
Speaker 2: inside information. At one point he found a guy who had.
Speaker 1: I understand if like, you're very desperate and you need stuff,
Speaker 1: and you go to the cartel because you have nothing
Speaker 1: and you need like truly, But if you're not doing
Speaker 1: that bad, they don't have a great reputation. They're not
Speaker 1: like level headed guys, Like why would you get why
Speaker 1: would you get involved with the cartel?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean this is pre Breaking Bad, but you watch
Speaker 1: one episode, you watch that guy's head on a tortoise,
Speaker 1: and you go, I'm not fucking with the cartel.
Speaker 2: But all the cartels have cops in their pockets, So
Speaker 2: this is one of the guys that's just like can
Speaker 2: be bought at a certain price.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean with the cop. It's like you
Speaker 1: need the corvette. Yeah, yeah, he did. I understand if
Speaker 1: you're like a desperate person that needs your kid over
Speaker 1: the border because there's rebels in the land that are
Speaker 1: murdering everyone and are like an authoritative government.
Speaker 2: You're a high school chemistry teacher and you know how
Speaker 2: to make meth and you're dying of cancer and you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to leave your family, Like there's certain people
Speaker 2: we let do this.
Speaker 1: Well. The thing with Walter, I can't believe Breaking Bad
Speaker 1: didn't change. I wonder if Breaking Bad coincided with Obamacare, though,
Speaker 1: Like I do wonder if that helped, because that was
Speaker 1: a big show for us. Yeah. Huge. I just talked
Speaker 1: about breaking bad yesterday. Actually, So at.
Speaker 2: One point, this guy doubt finds a guy who had
Speaker 2: robbed the Diaz cartel and delivered him back to the cartel.
Speaker 1: Like he could have arrested the guy and like used
Speaker 1: him to take down the cartel if he was a
Speaker 1: good cop, But he just delivered this guy back to
Speaker 1: the cartel for probably certain death.
Speaker 2: Like this man was probably absolutely murdered. So the cops
Speaker 2: brought in eight thousand dollars a week by turning a
Speaker 2: blind eye on some drug deals, but also busting drug deals,
Speaker 2: stealing the merchandise and selling it themselves. One of Dowd's
Speaker 2: performance reviews, however, said he had excellent street knowledge quote unquote,
Speaker 2: and was quote unquote empathetic.
Speaker 1: To the community. I guess accurate. I mean that's accurate.
Speaker 2: He has excellent street knowledge, and he's empathetic to the
Speaker 2: community in the sense that he is helping them deal drugs.
Speaker 2: He was finally arrested in nineteen ninety two, when he
Speaker 2: was thirty two years old, by Suffolk County it wasn't
Speaker 2: even the NYPD, it was Suffolk County that caught him
Speaker 2: over wiretap, interacting with like smaller time drug dealers. And
Speaker 2: this case is what inspired David Dinkins, the Mayor of
Speaker 2: New York at the time, to form the mall In Commission,
Speaker 2: which I'm almost positive SVU has brought up before, which
Speaker 2: was also known as the City of New York Commission
Speaker 2: to investigate allegations of police corruption and the anti corruption
Speaker 2: procedures of the Police Department, which was founded in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety two. The commission found that while the NYPD had
Speaker 2: received over sixteen complaints about Dowd and others, senior officers
Speaker 2: ignored those allegations and blocked anyone investigating them so that
Speaker 2: the department wouldn't look bad. Okay, They found out that
Speaker 2: for a decade, the NYPD had quote abandoned its responsibility
Speaker 2: to ensure the honesty of its members.
Speaker 1: And that's from the New York Times.
Speaker 2: And this, apparently, according to the commission, was a top
Speaker 2: down thing, obviously, as it always is. Right the police
Speaker 2: commissioner at the time, Benjamin Ward, there had recently been
Speaker 2: a corruption scandal in a different Brooklyn precinct and he
Speaker 2: did not want he thought another one would like really
Speaker 2: really damage the department, so he's like tried to keep
Speaker 2: this one as under the rug as possible. Senior officials
Speaker 2: didn't want any trouble in their precincts because they thought
Speaker 2: it would affect their careers, so they also turned a
Speaker 2: blind eye on shit like this, So any bad reports
Speaker 2: about these guys were purposefully isolated so that a pattern
Speaker 2: could never emerge, Like no, they could never feel like,
Speaker 2: oh this guy again and he still do it like
Speaker 2: this kind of thing. So they found also that they
Speaker 2: were closing out cases before all the leads were checked out.
Speaker 2: So the commission's report said that they found a quote
Speaker 2: willful effort end quote by internal affairs to ob struck
Speaker 2: the investigation. So IAB was being bad, So IAB yes,
Speaker 2: So I feel like it's very interesting that that's why
Speaker 2: when the show starts, Granted this is ninety two, it's
Speaker 2: only seven years later, and this commission probably all its
Speaker 2: findings have not gone into like effect, you know how
Speaker 2: it takes a long time for like change to happen,
Speaker 2: Like I would assume that by ninety nine when SVU airs,
Speaker 2: and also they're also going off of shit from Law
Speaker 2: and Order original recipe which was on earlier in the nineties,
Speaker 2: that IAB is bad, Like IAB is fucking with good
Speaker 2: cops and they're covering up for dirty cops or whatever.
Speaker 2: But you could see like the as as I think
Speaker 2: in real life, IAB has gotten cleaned out in the
Speaker 2: NYPD at least, so has the show changed its view
Speaker 2: on Tucker, And like Tucker becomes a good guy basically,
Speaker 2: but at the beginning, he's this shit who's just trying
Speaker 2: to make these good cops life harder, and like in
Speaker 2: this case or just they never know whether they're taking
Speaker 2: someone like Brian Callen aside because they're going to like
Speaker 2: release him, or because they're like there's a bad guy,
Speaker 2: or because of some operation that they can't talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, like is it legit or is it shady behavior.
Speaker 1: So I just thought it.
Speaker 2: Was interesting that all this was going on, like just
Speaker 2: a few years before the show premiered, in these early
Speaker 2: episodes where IAB always looks like the assholes. An example
Speaker 2: of one of IAB's negligence is in July of nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty eight, three officers from the seventy fifth Precinct. This
Speaker 2: one that Dowd was a part of robbed a grocery
Speaker 2: store that was also a drug front. These three dumbasses
Speaker 2: got arrested after their car was found parked near the precinct.
Speaker 1: Drugs money in plain sight in the car. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they They've been getting away with it. The
Speaker 1: bosses are on their side, like, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: It's happy roh and jacket over the Duffel bag, Like
Speaker 2: it's just so messy, right, It's it's just like you
Speaker 2: don't need to be careful when you've been getting away
Speaker 2: with shit forever. So weeks later, Internal Affairs was notified
Speaker 2: that there was a possibility Dowd was involved in the robbery.
Speaker 2: He'd been seen with these officers at a bar right
Speaker 2: before the robbery. Plus two dealers told Internal Affairs that
Speaker 2: they paid Dowd three to four thousand a week plus
Speaker 2: an ounce of coke for protection. I love how they're
Speaker 2: just like, and here's a bag of coke that's for you,
Speaker 2: that's for you to keep sell it, use it.
Speaker 1: Have fun. But nothing was done.
Speaker 2: Iab had these tips, they had these reports, they had
Speaker 2: these drug dealers.
Speaker 1: They did nothing.
Speaker 2: They only focus on the three officers who they originally arrested.
Speaker 2: They protected Dowd, and that could be like a seniority thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know who the three officers were. They were
Speaker 2: probably lower on the totem pole.
Speaker 1: As I said.
Speaker 2: They eventually got Dowd in ninety two. He stood trial
Speaker 2: in ninety four and was convicted of racketeering and conspiracy
Speaker 2: to distribute narcotics. At his sentencing, he said, quote, I
Speaker 2: think the first thing I'd like to do is apologize
Speaker 2: to each and every police officer that has had to
Speaker 2: work under the guys I left them two years ago.
Speaker 2: It's a very difficult job, and I made it much
Speaker 2: more difficult, and for that I apologize. He also at
Speaker 2: the sentencing tried to blame his own drug addiction for
Speaker 2: his actions. He was like, he said, quote, having a
Speaker 2: drug addiction and being a police officer is one of
Speaker 2: the most difficult things there is to deal with. I'm
Speaker 2: sure more difficult than many things people have to deal
Speaker 2: with day to day.
Speaker 1: Sir.
Speaker 2: Anyway, he says, as a police officer, your heart is
Speaker 2: ripped in half when you're addicted with drugs. There are
Speaker 2: times I wished I was dead because I couldn't stop
Speaker 2: what I was doing.
Speaker 1: But instead, I bought a red convertible in me yes
Speaker 1: of it, and I went to Atlantic City to push
Speaker 1: through the heartache, Like, come on, dude.
Speaker 2: He was sentenced to fourteen years in prison with possible
Speaker 2: parole after eleven, which was a little bit under the max.
Speaker 2: He did not get the full max because he cooperated
Speaker 2: with the Malan Commission. But the judge also in the
Speaker 2: case was presented evidence that Dowd was trying to escape
Speaker 2: after to Nicaragua after he was arrested, So I don't
Speaker 2: think she was likely to listen to any of his
Speaker 2: pleas of guilt or feeling bad about and his apologies.
Speaker 2: You know, he also he cooperated with the Malan Commission,
Speaker 2: but he would not rat any other officers involved, none
Speaker 2: of them. You know.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that he won't rat out the buddies. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't hate that. It's like he's already caught. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble. At least he has loyalty to something,
Speaker 1: not humanity, but some of his friends, at least his
Speaker 1: partner Killery. Do I have the wrong opinion?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if he rat it, it would only be
Speaker 2: to save himself, Like if you rat it, he probably
Speaker 2: would have goten a couple years shaved off, and he
Speaker 2: was maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I don't know how I.
Speaker 2: Feel about the loyalty and the rating when it comes
Speaker 2: to crime, but who knows. So anyway, Kenny, his partner,
Speaker 2: got no jail time. And apparently this guy was like
Speaker 2: a bumbling drunk idiot. I think he just like fell
Speaker 2: into this gang, and like I think he was like
Speaker 2: so lucky that he just kind of noped out of
Speaker 2: jail time by helping the Feds and getting busted first.
Speaker 2: At his sentencing, at dowd sentencing, judge Kimba m Wood said,
Speaker 2: Kimba Kimba, Wow, Yeah, she's it's a female judge, and
Speaker 2: she said Dowd's crime quote betray and immorality so deep
Speaker 2: that it is rarely encountered. You did not just fall
Speaker 2: prey to temptation and steal what was in front of you,
Speaker 2: or take kickbacks or sell confidential law enforcement information. You
Speaker 2: also continually searched for new ways to abuse your position,
Speaker 2: and at times you recruited fellow officers to join in
Speaker 2: your crimes. So he served, He served twelve and a
Speaker 2: half years, and he's out and in prison, he claims
Speaker 2: he worked as a peer counselor and he ran addiction
Speaker 2: and suicide prevention programs and stuff like that. There was
Speaker 2: supposed to be a movie about him. Let's see, there was.
Speaker 2: Hold on, I forgot to put this all in here,
Speaker 2: but there was. He's been featured on several podcasts and
Speaker 2: says and there was a documentary called The Seven five
Speaker 2: about the precinct, and then a narrative movie was supposed
Speaker 2: to happen with Sony but that was all announced in
Speaker 2: like twenty twenty and stuff. And I feel like it
Speaker 2: like it was like a pandemic died in the pademic.
Speaker 1: So the movie has yet to come.
Speaker 2: But he I read some interviews with him where he
Speaker 2: was like they were like, are you gonna be involved
Speaker 2: in the movie. He's like, I believe I am, so
Speaker 2: I think he was trying to definitely, you know, who
Speaker 2: knows what the guy's doing now? He I think there
Speaker 2: was a lie.
Speaker 1: He knows he did something wrong or like I wonder
Speaker 1: what his stories and podcast things are like.
Speaker 2: There were his interviews about well, he he talks about
Speaker 2: how he wanted to like either get back into the
Speaker 2: police force or like go to the Police Academy and
Speaker 2: help them root out bad cops or something like help
Speaker 2: like you know, and they were like, no, we're good,
Speaker 2: like they didn't want that. So but yeah, I saw
Speaker 2: he did, Like I think I put it in my
Speaker 2: I think in my sources. He does an interview with
Speaker 2: the Intelligencer and it was like a lot of this
Speaker 2: was I think press in twenty fifteen around the documentary
Speaker 2: that came out the seven five, And yeah, the guy
Speaker 2: who did the documentary was supposed to adapt it into
Speaker 2: a movie, and I think it just like never happened.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, yeah, very close to the episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so clost to the episode.
Speaker 2: I mean they definitely combined a lot of the things,
Speaker 2: like the bad cops were not actually doing the formula,
Speaker 2: but they were doing the other things, and then other
Speaker 2: people were doing the formula.
Speaker 1: But it also just it's it just shows how dumb
Speaker 1: cops starts, like to get a red Corvette to me
Speaker 1: is so insane. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also they've done that on this show too,
Speaker 2: like where a guy will have like a nice car
Speaker 2: and they'll be like, how did you pay for that car?
Speaker 2: And then they start searching your bank records, you know,
Speaker 2: like don't be dumb.
Speaker 1: But he was cocky. I mean, they had complaints about him,
Speaker 1: no one did anything, no one cared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, it was like it was the
Speaker 2: eighties and the early nineties. I feel like it was
Speaker 2: a really huge time of police corruption. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it's gotten super better, but uh, you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's worse. I would say, well, I'm assuming worse.
Speaker 2: Well that I mean, the thing is is like what
Speaker 2: body cameras now? Like that Actually one of the article,
Speaker 2: one of the interviews with the guy, he was like,
Speaker 2: they were like, do you think ops where body cameras?
Speaker 2: He's like absolutely, like and he was saying that he
Speaker 2: thinks the NYPD is way better now. And I mean
Speaker 2: this is also coming from like a full criminal, So
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, because I think about Eric Gardner, like I
Speaker 1: just like they are this is is this pre stopping
Speaker 1: for risk? You know what I mean. It's just like
Speaker 1: I uh will never fully trust. Yeah. He again he
Speaker 1: said after this podcast, whatever opinions I had pre the
Speaker 1: pot I mean, no one will ever change my mind,
Speaker 1: like every Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: He said he thinks that the NYPD takes it more
Speaker 2: seriously today and He's like, they use my case for training,
Speaker 2: and he that this is where he says, I asked
Speaker 2: permission to go back to the police academy and be
Speaker 2: involved with a symposium or Q and A, and the
Speaker 2: police commissioner.
Speaker 1: Was like, no, no, thank you.
Speaker 2: But uh when they asked him who he would like
Speaker 2: to play him in the feature movie, he said, I've
Speaker 2: been told Ryan Gosling, Marky Mark or James Franco.
Speaker 1: And then he goes or whoever else is cute. All
Speaker 1: three of those men look wildly different, and I just
Speaker 1: care he understands casting. Yeah, he doesn't care about similarity.
Speaker 1: I think he just wants a houghty to play him.
Speaker 1: You know, sure we'll get a hottie, but like, yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Looks when you see pictures of him, like, check out
Speaker 2: my Source and Intelligencer if you're interested in a picture
Speaker 2: of him, because the pictures of him, I mean, god,
Speaker 2: when he's a.
Speaker 1: Cop in the here, I'll send you the link.
Speaker 2: When he's a cop in the Oh my god, in
Speaker 2: the eighties, he has the mustache. But then when he
Speaker 2: finally goes on trial and gets busted, he looks like
Speaker 2: a mob guy. You know, he's got like a real.
Speaker 2: He's got a real sort of like mob look to him.
Speaker 2: Maybe Miles Teller that would be his best look of.
Speaker 1: A cutie that can go like this, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Of course he was on of course, there's a photo
Speaker 1: of him with Rogan. This guy was on Rogan Doubt Yeah,
Speaker 1: fuck of course and with Joey Diaz. Okay, let's we've
Speaker 1: got fun guests, so stay where you are. Our guest
Speaker 1: today is an actress who you may recognize as a
Speaker 1: series regular on shows like Justified, The Good Fight, and
Speaker 1: love Craft Country, but you know her today as the
Speaker 1: terrified mother of baby Juan Lynn Hauser. Please enjoy our
Speaker 1: chat with the very lovely Erica Tazzle. Epic starts to
Speaker 1: an episode one of the more memorable like cold opens
Speaker 1: we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: It was this like your very first.
Speaker 3: I was I was trying to remember if it was
Speaker 3: my first.
Speaker 1: Well, your first IMDb is Sex and the City. I
Speaker 1: was very exciting.
Speaker 3: It was I was like, I think Sex in the
Speaker 3: City or Guiding Light or something was the first one.
Speaker 3: But this was like my first like full once not
Speaker 3: bobal cry drama. So that was very exciting to have. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the good first early impression of what a TV set is,
Speaker 3: and it couldn't have been a better opportunity. Mushka Hargate
Speaker 3: is still in the top three people that I've had
Speaker 3: the opportunity of working with, and her her whole demeanor
Speaker 3: and persona on set have influenced why I'm on set,
Speaker 3: especially to our guest stars. She was very generous and
Speaker 3: protective of the process and also had fun and acknowledged
Speaker 3: you know, I remember and that the scene with when
Speaker 3: we're talking about they were in the hospital, which was
Speaker 3: a big, you know, dramatic day for me, and she
Speaker 3: had an awareness, Hey, guys, we know each other, we've
Speaker 3: been here. Let's you know, let's respect Erica. And I
Speaker 3: was like, listen, I have found a corner and a hole.
Speaker 3: I'm good. But the fact that she, you know, had
Speaker 3: that moment of maybe we're not giving her space, So
Speaker 3: it's it's nice to have that, and it's something that
Speaker 3: I've always extended when possible, you know, in my serious
Speaker 3: regular opportunities and we sort of forget that we're at home,
Speaker 3: but someone else's you know, coming to play with us.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, Marishka, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have to know. Was the baby a doll or real?
Speaker 3: So there was a doll when I was running out
Speaker 3: of the house, but it was it was weighted, you know,
Speaker 3: because we just sort of forget about that. And yes,
Speaker 3: that close up was one half of twins and he
Speaker 3: was the one that was asleep at the moment, and
Speaker 3: so he got he got swat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I know it's a TV show,
Speaker 1: but like when they're like Juwan passed away, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: have to do that. They didn't have to kill They
Speaker 1: did it.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't remember what happened. So I had it
Speaker 3: on and I think I'd gone to brush my teeth
Speaker 3: and someone came in and said that.
Speaker 1: I was like, she died.
Speaker 3: I couldn't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the outcome, well, I was like.
Speaker 2: They could have just like had him come out of
Speaker 2: it and be a close call. It's still liquid cocaine exactly.
Speaker 3: But even on that day we were shooting in Brooklyn
Speaker 3: the theater. The theater kid in me, this what I
Speaker 3: call a happy accident happened. Came out and you know,
Speaker 3: screaming and it's echoing on all of the you know,
Speaker 3: brown stones, and I see something out of in the distance,
Speaker 3: out of the corner of my eye, and I was like,
Speaker 3: there's someone running this way and it was a woman.
Speaker 3: She was full on spreading and she was like this
Speaker 3: woman needs to let's help this baby. And so she's
Speaker 3: like and she ran into the scene and she's like,
Speaker 3: come with. I mean, I don't know, she didn't see
Speaker 3: this steady cam. She just was like, full on, I
Speaker 3: am here to save the day. She's like, there's a hospitale.
Speaker 3: So I kept going, that's the theater at me and
Speaker 3: it was and we I just improveed with her and
Speaker 3: I was like, where are we going? And then they
Speaker 3: cut and I was like ah, And so I was
Speaker 3: like that was great, and they were like, yeah, we
Speaker 3: can't use it.
Speaker 2: I was like why not?
Speaker 3: But you know, I didn't know how it worked. She
Speaker 3: wasn't hired, she didn't have paperwork, you know. But it was.
Speaker 1: She reacts when she realized she was so laser focused.
Speaker 3: She was so embarrassed and she laughed at herself and
Speaker 3: I gave her a hug and she was like okay,
Speaker 3: and you know, she went on her merry way. But hey,
Speaker 3: I mean she full on.
Speaker 1: At least now she knows she has a hero spirit.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it was she jumped into action.
Speaker 3: It was great. It was a great accident of a
Speaker 3: very long day.
Speaker 1: So yeah, do you remember there any like big lessons
Speaker 1: you learned on that or any of your early sets
Speaker 1: outside of like being great to guest stars, but anything
Speaker 1: that you remember that really changed your perspective on stuff.
Speaker 3: I came out of drama school at a time that
Speaker 3: we didn't have a lot of on camera training. I mean,
Speaker 3: we had a class the great Joanna Merlin who just
Speaker 3: passed away, who was our career teacher, and she she
Speaker 3: always says, you know, the only thing that you can
Speaker 3: control is your preparation. That's you know, in auditioning and
Speaker 3: also showing up to work, right, And what drama school
Speaker 3: taught me was, you know, do your homework at home
Speaker 3: so you can go to work and play. And it
Speaker 3: was definitely a set that was that because I also
Speaker 3: have horrible stage right, I'm fine once I get like
Speaker 3: the first word out or whatever we do the first
Speaker 3: rounds of coverage, and so for me, that's been something
Speaker 3: that's been very useful and continues to be that still
Speaker 3: get terrified and nervous even you know, sitting down here, like,
Speaker 3: oh god, it's I'm going to do a podcast, you know,
Speaker 3: and I'm okay now, but beating a little fast. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, to just respect, you know, preparation is respecting
Speaker 3: other people's time as well. And even when you're not
Speaker 3: being covered, I always want to be a rat see
Speaker 3: partner and give people. Some people sort of pull back
Speaker 3: and not give you what you need to save it
Speaker 3: for their coverage. But I'm like, forget that. What can
Speaker 3: I learn involve a camera is on that person, you know,
Speaker 3: especially if I'm being covered after to still continue to
Speaker 3: use being on set an opportunity to still discover something new,
Speaker 3: deeper circumstances. And again that was from watching Marishka. That's
Speaker 3: been from watching you know, my wonderful classmates in grad school.
Speaker 3: Even more new we shared a dressing room. Shakespeare in
Speaker 3: the Park was my first job. Wow, just watching her work,
Speaker 3: watching her in rehearsal with Michael Stoulbarg who knew you know,
Speaker 3: I knew, but you know, the wonderful great Michael Stoudebart.
Speaker 3: Just what it means to play? I mean it is
Speaker 3: my mentor says, what we do is child's play. It's
Speaker 3: make and believe, you know, and it should be fun.
Speaker 3: When it's not, I remind myself. It's just child's play.
Speaker 3: I get paid to come to work and play. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know if I answered the question.
Speaker 1: You did and lovely, and I wrote I like the
Speaker 1: preparation and we love Joanna Merlin. So this was like
Speaker 1: really like a treat to hear some insight from it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you move to la for Justified?
Speaker 3: No? I was thinking about that today. I'm so dramatic.
Speaker 3: So when I came out of school, there was a
Speaker 3: cycle of work for me. I was just I was
Speaker 3: very lucky, and I it was just booking, you know,
Speaker 3: play here, play there, whatever TV was there at the time,
Speaker 3: whatever version of Law and Order was there, whatever pilot
Speaker 3: that came through and had a couple of episodes before
Speaker 3: it got canceled. And I remember getting an appointment for
Speaker 3: something I don't remember why it was, and I was
Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, I got this, and I kind
Speaker 3: of stepped and looked at myself like, oh, you're feeling yourself.
Speaker 3: You're getting a little cocky, you know, because again I
Speaker 3: was very for to get a job. I got an
Speaker 3: agent and I had Oftens full representation, and so being extreme,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, you need to you need to
Speaker 3: take yourself out of your comfort zone, and so what
Speaker 3: does that mean? And then so the other voice was like,
Speaker 3: you need to move, you need to We're just you're
Speaker 3: taking all of this for granted, you don't. This is
Speaker 3: how people need become. The world that's warm, cell phones
Speaker 3: at people, you're taking You're starting to feel yourself or
Speaker 3: is it as they would say, My family would says,
Speaker 3: smelling yourself? So I thought, well, where can I go?
Speaker 3: There's Chicago the Theater. There's theater there, but I was
Speaker 3: like that cold does not interest me at all. And
Speaker 3: then there was California. It's like, I don't know anybody
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, but I didn't know anybody in New York.
Speaker 3: I didn't know anybody in Atlanta, where I went to undergrad.
Speaker 3: And so I said, okay, you're going to move to
Speaker 3: LA And so I thought it about it for a year.
Speaker 3: And my best friend lived here at the time and
Speaker 3: she was considering a move to New York and say, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about this. Maybe we can just do an
Speaker 3: apartment slot. I'm going to revisit this in six months
Speaker 3: to make sure I'm not being completely irrational and stupid
Speaker 3: and really get clear on why I want to go.
Speaker 3: And the creative piece of that is I also wanted to,
Speaker 3: like Angeno, like Marianne, be able to say that I
Speaker 3: can do all three. Be I can I can do
Speaker 3: well in terms of performance wise in each of the
Speaker 3: medium's TV, film, and theater. And at that time New
Speaker 3: York was predominantly theater. Now you can do all three there,
Speaker 3: And I'm like kicking myself. You know, it's all these
Speaker 3: great independent films and plays obviously all in off Quadlai,
Speaker 3: and all of the nice regional theaters that cast out
Speaker 3: of there. The TV work that there's that's there too.
Speaker 3: So to answer your question, I came to shake myself
Speaker 3: up a little bit so that I'm never taking anything
Speaker 3: for granted, especially the good things, and to hopefully and
Speaker 3: with hopes of sort of cracking the TV and film
Speaker 3: not to figure out what that was, because I would
Speaker 3: be learning back completely on the job.
Speaker 1: Then it worked. It wasn't a bad decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes I'm like, what was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: LA is interesting? You know New York is what you
Speaker 3: what you see is what you get from the city,
Speaker 3: from the people LA, and from the South where I'm from,
Speaker 3: what you see is really what you get. LA let
Speaker 3: you see may or may not be what you're getting.
Speaker 3: You may know what I mean by that. So it's
Speaker 3: a different kind it's a different kind of slick. And
Speaker 3: so that was I'm still, I feel like, in many ways,
Speaker 3: still adjusting to that. But I don't mind the sunshine,
Speaker 3: I don't mind the palm leaves. I'm twenty minutes from
Speaker 3: some water, those things like that.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, do you do theater out in la I
Speaker 1: did a show and December what is this?
Speaker 3: Twenty five? The end of to twenty three a play
Speaker 3: called Lines in the Dust, which was written by a
Speaker 3: woman named Nicole Salter, and it dealt with residency fraud
Speaker 3: in schools where parents oh lie about their addresses to
Speaker 3: get their school. And so it was a three person play,
Speaker 3: two women and a man, an investigator of principal and
Speaker 3: then the mom of who has a daughter in this
Speaker 3: private school and it's out in Jersey. That takes me
Speaker 3: from Jersey down the street from New York. And an
Speaker 3: incident happens at the school where they bring in with
Speaker 3: a kid who did not live when they found out
Speaker 3: you didn't actually live in the district, and so they
Speaker 3: were like, how many kids are do how many so
Speaker 3: they opened up an investigation. I'm my kid is one
Speaker 3: of them. So the brilliant and scary and insane thing
Speaker 3: that we were asked before we decided to do this
Speaker 3: is that the women were we had. We did both roles, okay,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you remember if you were
Speaker 3: in New York. It had to be between two thousand
Speaker 3: and two thousand and four. Philip Seymour Hoffman and John
Speaker 3: c Riley did production of Through West to Sam Shepherd
Speaker 3: play Yeah, where they switched roles, and that was two
Speaker 3: men and a woman. And so in the spirit of that,
Speaker 3: I said, well, I just said two weeks ago. I
Speaker 3: haven't been scared in a really long time. I haven't
Speaker 3: been like teetering on failure or feeling like there's no
Speaker 3: way I can do this. But I'm going to go
Speaker 3: for it. And you know, be careful what you ask for.
Speaker 3: And so say, I remember speaking with the director. I said,
Speaker 3: you know, and Noah's asked me to do that before
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, I'm going to say yes. And
Speaker 3: so they were in the process of finding another person
Speaker 3: and the woman that they got they they'd been wanting her,
Speaker 3: but she was busy and she was in timing just
Speaker 3: worked out, and so that was a marathon. That was
Speaker 3: a marathon, And yeah, I definitely woke failure straight in
Speaker 3: the face. And one of the roles I was ready
Speaker 3: to go on forth with the one that I was
Speaker 3: supposed to start with. I was not ready. And that
Speaker 3: was the principle she was. They both were. They both
Speaker 3: had their own challenges, and in the spirit of grad school,
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, well I'm just going to figure
Speaker 3: it out in front of people. You know, I'll pick
Speaker 3: up where because you're going to always be learning about
Speaker 3: it anyways for the next four weeks and there'll be
Speaker 3: things that you discover still hopefully, but.
Speaker 1: That was That's one where I will.
Speaker 3: Look back and still sort of pat my back myself
Speaker 3: on the back in terms of getting through that and
Speaker 3: being really proud of that work and proud of workings
Speaker 3: the Legionate and all of the people who were involved
Speaker 3: with that. It's a great time. It was scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is scary. Oh my gosh. So when you
Speaker 1: get a project like that and you have to do
Speaker 1: so much preparation, so much more probably so much memorizing,
Speaker 1: how do you balance other parts of your life with
Speaker 1: that kind of like pressure and you know, time commitment.
Speaker 3: Honestly, with that play, I did not have any balance whatsoever,
Speaker 3: because I mean there, I think there's you have to
Speaker 3: put it down half a of your life, you know
Speaker 3: that the time for things to come in. Somehow. I
Speaker 3: always feel like whatever story I'm working on, it sort
Speaker 3: of shows up in the world, Like there's a charter
Speaker 3: school that I know I've driven by, but I didn't
Speaker 3: see that charter school until I was working on display,
Speaker 3: and it was like Cassi school Benear the whole time.
Speaker 3: Like for my billboards, regarding the issue, it just sort
Speaker 3: of shows up or commercials or songs or you know,
Speaker 3: articles and pay I don't know, to be magic, I
Speaker 3: don't know, but it ends up coming up. But in
Speaker 3: this one, it felt like we had a lot of time,
Speaker 3: and then we didn't have a lot of time. And
Speaker 3: if I had it to do over again, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I would probably not come home and work as much
Speaker 3: as I did. I was not sleeping, I wasn't eating properly.
Speaker 3: It was one of the roles whichever what it was
Speaker 3: was consuming. But to do both and figure me out, Okay,
Speaker 3: what are we hurt? What are we rehearsing tomorrow, because
Speaker 3: there was this point where if I was saying I
Speaker 3: was Beverly, it was the principal, and Kelly was working
Speaker 3: on Demitra. I would My thought was, I will watch,
Speaker 3: you know, watch scenes, but you couldn't. You can't. They
Speaker 3: both couldn't be in the room together. So today you're
Speaker 3: Beverly Erica and Demetra will take care of yourself and
Speaker 3: vice versa. So to answer your question, in that case,
Speaker 3: there was no balance. It sort of recalibrated once we
Speaker 3: opened and got on our feet. But I do think
Speaker 3: you you have to sort of give it a rest.
Speaker 3: And so that you can rest is that the body
Speaker 3: is armored, it's it's it's we're the computer, we are
Speaker 3: the instrument. And if it's not hydrated, if it's not
Speaker 3: both fed, if it's not rested, it will not work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it WI was shut down. So in general I
Speaker 4: have that balance, but with that one, it it got
Speaker 4: a little tipped. It got a little tipped.
Speaker 1: So and I guess with a different type of thing, justified,
Speaker 1: how many years were you on that?
Speaker 3: Six years?
Speaker 1: So how is it playing the same character for that long?
Speaker 3: Just it was it was something that I wanted because
Speaker 3: again learning TV, you know on a set versus you
Speaker 3: know in a classroom or class where you know, I
Speaker 3: was getting guest stars and I would learn something, but
Speaker 3: it maybe six months later before the next one came
Speaker 3: and I forgot what I learned, sort of sort of
Speaker 3: how building blocks. So I always wanted a series in
Speaker 3: that regard so that I could put those things together
Speaker 3: quicker and then that it so that it became a
Speaker 3: part of its like process and must of memory. And
Speaker 3: so what was great about Justified. It was my first
Speaker 3: pilot and I went to series and it they had
Speaker 3: to buy the grace of God because you know, Tim
Speaker 3: had these cute little three buildings at home. Insisted that we,
Speaker 3: if it did get picked up, that we shoot in
Speaker 3: la We shot the pilot in Pittsburgh. Well, we were
Speaker 3: based in Pittsburgh and these little small towns outside of
Speaker 3: that that really did look like the green in the
Speaker 3: mountains of Kentucky that Santa Kalita out here, just not
Speaker 3: all far. But so it was nice to also be
Speaker 3: be home and have a job and still have my life,
Speaker 3: you know, my conversations with my male person, you know,
Speaker 3: my gym and yoga classes, my farmers at the farmers
Speaker 3: market without having to pack up and be, you know,
Speaker 3: in another city. So that was great because I I
Speaker 3: felt like I got the best of all of it.
Speaker 3: That I had my life, my volunteerism, my church, my girlfriends,
Speaker 3: my home boys, and I had my work and I
Speaker 3: had my work. Yeah, so it was the best of
Speaker 3: all of the worlds. And I couldn't have asked for
Speaker 3: a better first time out. I learned a lot on
Speaker 3: that show, a lot.
Speaker 1: Is there anything coming out soon or you'd love to
Speaker 1: tell our listeners to.
Speaker 3: Check out you know what, I don't have anything, Okay.
Speaker 3: The strike, the triple strikes, really did shift the stratosphere.
Speaker 1: And that was also post COVID. We were just talking
Speaker 1: to another guest. It was like, yeah, from COVID shutting
Speaker 1: so much of our work done down and then the
Speaker 1: strikes back to back was definitely a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I felt like I had I started to
Speaker 3: sort of bounce back in twenty one. I had a
Speaker 3: great twenty two all the way up through like December
Speaker 3: of twenty two. I did my first feature film, I
Speaker 3: had two of the Curse. I did a small film
Speaker 3: and I was like, all right, we're getting back and
Speaker 3: then that we sort of started to feel best slowed
Speaker 3: down in January. There's typically some sort of islight season, right,
Speaker 3: and there there were things. Two of those shows are
Speaker 3: on TV right now.
Speaker 1: Close. But yeah, so.
Speaker 3: I am revisiting Spanish for example, like what can you
Speaker 3: be doing in this time? So I am picking that
Speaker 3: back up and then as on is my way into
Speaker 3: some Italian and cool you know these things that I have, yeah,
Speaker 3: and things that I just haven't done while living here
Speaker 3: in La It's like there's so having for as long
Speaker 3: as I've been here, feel like there's so much about
Speaker 3: the city that I don't know and I haven't experienced.
Speaker 3: And so there's that too, because that's homework and that's stimulus.
Speaker 3: All of it goes into my humanity and and my
Speaker 3: work as an actor and as a friend and the wife,
Speaker 3: as an auntie, as a pet parent. You know, it's
Speaker 3: it all, It all is important and matter. So sort
Speaker 3: of recalibrating my mind that what is useful? What can
Speaker 3: I focus on? How can I still be learning so
Speaker 3: and be ready when you know, the next opportunity comes.
Speaker 3: I'm thankful that I'm a lost acationing for and that
Speaker 3: there are opportunities, but you know, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure there's big things to come. This was
Speaker 1: so great. Thank you for taking the time to talk
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 3: I love that you're doing this. When I when I
Speaker 3: saw su suus like glad, it's yes, I have to.
Speaker 1: I have to. And it's really incredible. Like I would say, unprompted,
Speaker 1: even the ninety five percent of our guests spring up
Speaker 1: how great Marishka was, and so it really is. It
Speaker 1: never gets old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she is. She is a gem and I actually
Speaker 3: want to do another because I think I'm well past
Speaker 3: the time you gotta come back, and I would get
Speaker 3: anything to work with her again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them now I saw that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just have my adult self.
Speaker 1: Got to get you back across Jonathan Strauss's desk. You're
Speaker 1: a different person. You were like a baby that last
Speaker 1: one baby.
Speaker 3: So myself looks like, oh my god, it's a baby, Erica.
Speaker 3: It's a good memory.
Speaker 1: This episode. Twisty twisty baby.
Speaker 2: I mean really, just like you think it's just going
Speaker 2: to be about this baby, and then it's just a
Speaker 2: full fucking you know, uncovering of police corruption, which you
Speaker 2: know they followed very closely to the letter of real life.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think it's better now, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if it is. No, it's worse now for sure, Yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know if there's as much like
Speaker 2: I think that there definitely is. There are cops that
Speaker 2: act badly and hurt people and then that gets covered up.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's as much funneling drug like
Speaker 2: you know, like cops actually in the pockets of drug
Speaker 2: dealers and like working with Do you think there is?
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know, how would I know, But
Speaker 1: like I don't know, you know.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's police officers are covering up for
Speaker 2: each other's bullshit. But I don't know if there's as
Speaker 2: much like fully embedded in the criminal underworld and profiting
Speaker 2: from them.
Speaker 1: Well, because don't they have like something immunity now that
Speaker 1: they could do whatever they want? I mean, the president
Speaker 1: has that. I don't know if cops do. No, it's
Speaker 1: like a thing, it's called something qualified immunity, as protected
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers and other government officials for being held
Speaker 1: accountable when they violate people's constitutional rights, and so it's
Speaker 1: like they can do whatever they want. But this is civil.
Speaker 1: It looks like what do you mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It looks like it protects them from being sued, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't protect them from going to jail and being prosecuted.
Speaker 2: Like but I mean, it's still it's still you know
Speaker 2: actually you know, we had a lawyer right us, and
Speaker 2: I will find the exact message. But it was really
Speaker 2: interesting because she was like, you know, you should let
Speaker 2: your I love how you guys talk about how you know,
Speaker 2: going out, Like why didn't you go to the cops?
Speaker 1: Why didn't you do this?
Speaker 2: Like getting justice for a rapist is like very difficult,
Speaker 2: But she was saying that there's a lot of ways
Speaker 2: civilly that you can go after people like your attackers
Speaker 2: in a way that can sometimes, she said, be even
Speaker 2: more meaningful for victims, like you don't go through such
Speaker 2: like a public try. It's like the burden of proof
Speaker 2: is a little easier, and you can sue them for money,
Speaker 2: which a lot of times can help victims in terms
Speaker 2: of getting therapy and getting like you know, if they've
Speaker 2: lost their job or they've lost you know, tons of
Speaker 2: financial resources through what happened.
Speaker 1: You know, me see if I can find it, because
Speaker 1: it was really interesting. I mean good, I mean, any
Speaker 1: better way that we could fucking get rapists? Yeah, fantastic, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the post mortem takeaways are for
Speaker 2: the episode to risk, Well, basically, don't borrow any formula
Speaker 2: from your rich fucking friends or employers because they are
Speaker 2: possibly smuggling drugs and don't even have a child.
Speaker 1: Well, my thing too is thank god that it was
Speaker 1: like the SVW detectives and that they wanted to continue
Speaker 1: an investigation, because I think in the real world, like
Speaker 1: Lynn would have been arrested for murdering her baby immediately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think there wouldn't have been any sort of
Speaker 1: I think she would have been arrested, hauled off and
Speaker 1: never been seen again. Like That's That's kind of what
Speaker 1: I was thinking throughout this episode. I'm like, thank god
Speaker 1: it was Benson and Stabler, Like if it was anyone else,
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have been investigated so thoroughly,
Speaker 1: and you know, with IAB and all of that. But
Speaker 1: you know what else I loved about this episode, I'd say,
Speaker 1: is Cragan Craigan really swearing, having a lot to say,
Speaker 1: really getting it out there. I really like him and
Speaker 1: in the streets, getting involved, fighting, beating IAB.
Speaker 2: But I thought, I think it's like interesting the journey
Speaker 2: that IAB has followed over the course of this show,
Speaker 2: and does it does it mirror what was happening in
Speaker 2: real life, Like because i AB back in the Michael
Speaker 2: down time was doing absolutely nothing and so but then
Speaker 2: obviously by the end we're like, not by the end,
Speaker 2: but by the time we're like in Tucker Love Territory,
Speaker 2: We're like, oh, yeah, we need Tucker. We need people
Speaker 2: to check these fucking cops, you know. But again a
Speaker 2: fantasy world where somebody does check cops. It's so Cocaine's
Speaker 2: not cool, like get a live.
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't get the chase. The chase.
Speaker 2: I literally have been talking about cocaine so much like
Speaker 2: the last two days, Like people just keep bringing up cocaine,
Speaker 2: and I keep being like, if cocaine made me feel great,
Speaker 2: I bet I would have done I would would do
Speaker 2: it still, but it all it does is keep me awake.
Speaker 2: It's to me, it's like you're just awake at eight
Speaker 2: am talking to some dumbass about something he doesn't know
Speaker 2: anything about.
Speaker 1: Like that's all cocaine does. And I like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: If cocaine had the same effect for me as like Molly,
Speaker 2: for example, I'd be a lot more inclined. You know,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't do anything for me.
Speaker 1: I don't get the buzz. No oh, and to go
Speaker 1: back to my London mote. This is another thing, like
Speaker 1: not to insult anyone's culture, but like Jews definitely know
Speaker 1: how to do a funeral better. Like where is the food? Yea,
Speaker 1: the Brits did not eat at all. I had to
Speaker 1: go get my own foot there was. They're not eating,
Speaker 1: they're not drinking water, they are drinking from uh. I
Speaker 1: had to for I would say fifteen hours straight. People
Speaker 1: were drinking with not a bit of food and not
Speaker 1: a drop of water. I was the only one hydrating
Speaker 1: and ordering food. No one else. And then guess who
Speaker 1: I was sitting eating with the other jew? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just us Jews. And I kept looking at her
Speaker 1: being like why is no one eating? What is going on?
Speaker 1: And then we realized it's because we were Jewish. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no one no, It's like I don't And then I
Speaker 1: kept ordering apps for everybody because everyone's drinking for so long,
Speaker 1: no one touched any of it. No one wanted any
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes grief makes people
Speaker 2: lose their appetite, but it's like you're.
Speaker 1: Also gonna throw up, like you have to like put
Speaker 1: some food in your stomach, you know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The sitting shiva just makes sense. Yeah, you get a week,
Speaker 1: you don't have to do anything. Never not put away
Speaker 1: and never not full. Yeah, it's just like not the
Speaker 1: same and hopefully Yeah. I don't know if it's all
Speaker 1: Christians or just like I.
Speaker 2: Really okay ask you because I was like, oh, what's
Speaker 2: the vibe. I've never been to a British ceremony, so
Speaker 2: I was just wondering if it was, well, this was wrunk,
Speaker 2: drunk drunk. It was like people started leaving.
Speaker 1: It was people were drunk, but the service was not
Speaker 1: traditional in any way, I would say, And we all
Speaker 1: wore dollful clothes and stuff like that. I think the
Speaker 1: idea of all black is kind of outdated. I think
Speaker 1: most people like to do celebrations of life now versus
Speaker 1: like memorial. I like memorial and so I like I
Speaker 1: kind of I like that, and I understand the black
Speaker 1: and if that's comfortable, but it was nice people wearing
Speaker 1: what they should wear or wanted to wear, or what
Speaker 1: he would wear. Yeah, because the last funeral I went to,
Speaker 1: like last year, a year and a half. I don't know,
Speaker 1: time flies, but people just wore what they wanted as well,
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, but from clothes to cut. What I
Speaker 1: also learned is funeral start on time. Yeah, TikTok, and
Speaker 1: it starts sorry, funeral recap at the end this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't your drugs. Don't be a bad cop. I hope
Speaker 1: your babies stay alive. Don't use your fucking power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and fuck yeah, that's I guess it's I guess
Speaker 2: it's okay that they're swabbing my breast milk at the
Speaker 2: airport to make sure that I'm not smuggling cocaine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So like I whatever, I had my
Speaker 1: own designated security because I was flying nicely and it
Speaker 1: was virgin I don't know whatever, So like, hmmm, it
Speaker 1: was just me and this elderly couple. Of course I
Speaker 1: let them go first. They would not leave this woman alone.
Speaker 1: This bitch had to like get pulled out of her wheelchair.
Speaker 1: She's so old and hunched over the hump on her back.
Speaker 1: Huge right, like this woman is at least in her nineties,
Speaker 1: like so old, could barely get out of this wheelchair,
Speaker 1: and then they have to put her in the thing,
Speaker 1: you know, the scanner thing, and then they it took
Speaker 1: five or six times, like they would.
Speaker 3: Just let her go.
Speaker 1: It's not her her foot wasn't directly on the thing,
Speaker 1: so they kept having to push her foot over, and
Speaker 1: she can't hear anything, she can't move her legs. She's
Speaker 1: in her goddamn nine am. And I was standing there
Speaker 1: and it probably looks like I was impatient with the elderly.
Speaker 1: I was impatient with the staff where I was like,
Speaker 1: let her go, and then they wouldn't let her sit
Speaker 1: back in her wheelchair because it was it had to
Speaker 1: still get scammed through. And I'm like, you guys are losers.
Speaker 1: You're losers, true losers. They're like, now, please spread your
Speaker 1: arm higher, and it's like she can't. She's barely being
Speaker 1: all together. She had bandages all over her wrists, like
Speaker 1: this was just a really dilapidated woman. They wouldn't they
Speaker 1: her SKIS security screening I would take, say it took
Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes. They would not. They would not easy.
Speaker 1: I just sing.
Speaker 2: But if you're a drug dealer, how smart you just
Speaker 2: get an old lady in there? You just fill her
Speaker 2: up with little baggies of heroine and you send her through.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm obviously having so much like internal stress
Speaker 1: right now. Of like, did we talk too much about
Speaker 1: the met gallo with no content? Do we just raise names?
Speaker 1: Just lists of movies? This whole episode is just like lists.
Speaker 2: Listen, I think everyone knows what this is by now.
Speaker 2: But let's let's get into our what would Sister Peg Do?
Speaker 2: For this week's what would Mister Peg Do? Which is
Speaker 2: our weekly segment where we direct you towards more information
Speaker 2: about what we talked about in today's EP. I wanted
Speaker 2: to point you to the documentary that I mentioned. It's
Speaker 2: a twenty fourteen documentary called The seven to five. This
Speaker 2: is a doc all about the crimes of Michael Daoud,
Speaker 2: a corrupt NYPD officer who was once labeled the dirtiest
Speaker 2: cop ever. He is featured in the movie as well
Speaker 2: as the cops that tried to take him down, and
Speaker 2: the title refers to the seventy fifth Precinct of the
Speaker 2: NYPD during the nineteen eighties, which was one of the
Speaker 2: most corrupt precincts pretty much ever. So I think it's
Speaker 2: interesting to watch something like this, especially now, and just
Speaker 2: see how corruption can kind of blossom in a department.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it will post the link. It's available on
Speaker 2: like Apple, it might be on Amazon, on Netflix, it
Speaker 2: might be available in your country. It's not available in
Speaker 2: the US right now. If you live outside the US,
Speaker 2: good for you, and you might have access to this doc.
Speaker 2: But we'll have a link to this in the story
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Speaker 1: Shout out to her.
Speaker 2: She put together a full list, multiple pages, of every
Speaker 2: single Tommy from the SVUW universe, and honestly, the only
Speaker 2: thing shocking is that there hasn't been a Tommy in
Speaker 2: seasons twenty three, twenty four to twenty five, or currently
Speaker 2: in twenty six, except I guess for McGrath you could
Speaker 2: count he's in a bunch of those seasons, so I
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Speaker 1: Oh god, you know, it was like talking to someone
Speaker 1: about the documentary I watched with the Submarine, the Submarine Murder,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're like, oh, is this for your podcast?
Speaker 1: I go no, it was just a pleasure to watch.
Speaker 1: It was free watch. Yeah, Oh god, just keeping up
Speaker 1: on all the horrors, on all the horrors. We appreciate
Speaker 1: all of you obviously for listening, and I love meeting
Speaker 1: you guys when you know we're all on the road
Speaker 1: and everything. And next week we'll have another episode Pandora
Speaker 1: season four, episode fifteen, So come on down, get ready
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