WEBVTT - Risk w/ Erica Tazel 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:10.200 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:30.920 Done done, Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast. My 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:32.440 name is Liza Traeger. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:37.000 And I'm Kara Klank And you know what this is. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.200 It's an SVU podcast. We talk about episodes of the show, 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.240 the true crimes they're based on. We talked to a 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.440 fun guest. We chit shot up top YadA YadA. Here 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.559 we are ye back at it. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.360 We're here. Surely, Well you go, you go, because I no, no, no, 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.279 I have two seven hour flights within four days. So 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.360 I watched some movies. Oh my god, tell me give 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:07.200 me the Dels. Okay, so I watched uh well, I 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.800 rewatched The Substance was It, which is a crazy thing 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.240 to watch on a flight, like on a flight, like 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.959 if people were eating around me, Like, I'm sure that's crazy. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.000 But it was like my because I was so tired. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.080 It was kind of my nap in and out movie too, 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.280 Like I was, yeah, you're like, well, I know the 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.600 plot whatever, and it is chilling up so I did 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.600 do that. Okay, you sold you liked this, so I 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:34.679 did want Okay, my old ass loved it. Would you think? 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.479 I thought? Oh, I love well cat so well cast, 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.080 that girl and guy so well cast. I want to 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.160 see him again in everything. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.440 And just beautiful, like the location. I think it's somewhere 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.720 random in Canada, gorgeous. I wanted to ride a boat 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.200 and make out with like other teens, like I just 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.880 love as a team, not myself as now. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.360 So well ready you know the lake looked good. I 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.600 texted meat Brick immediately Molly Carney for those who don't know, 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.120 because they grew up on a lake, and I was like, 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.320 you gotta take me to this lake, like I need that, 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.080 Like I want to be on a lake right now 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.360 in the Oh my gosh, it was. It was just 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.079 so good. I mean I cried. 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.320 I mean, you know, you cry easier on a plane, 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:19.680 but like I cry. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.440 I was also on the way to a funeral, so 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:28.040 of course I was crying, so I was. Yeah, so 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.200 I was. It was just really nice and easy and 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:33.960 even though you kind of knew where things, I don't know. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:38.480 I just like loved it, simple good awesome movie. Yeah, 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.960 and okay, so next movie. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.960 Well, also before you get before you just move on 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.320 really quick. Yeah, I moved on really interesting to me, 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:53.040 how there is this weird like supernatural you could say 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.160 element to it or whatever, like a hallucinate, whatever you're 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:57.240 calling it. 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.120 It just doesn't even affect it. 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:03.119 Really, it's it's so like expertly woven in that you're 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:04.440 not like, well, what are the rules? 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.360 Can other people see her? Like, you know, like it's 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.840 not you know, I like my. 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:13.680 Husband relevant, Yeah, like it doesn't matter, like it's but 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.480 I and some people I talked to you didn't like 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.360 it because they were like they didn't like the Aubrey 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.680 Plaza of it all. But I was like, it's so 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.320 to me, it's a it's the two kids movie. It's 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.760 like their movie. Like I don't know, it didn't. I 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:29.640 loved it so much. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.080 Now some people want more. And there was a thing 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.720 where it's like you guys can obviously my old ass. 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.040 It's like the older version of hers. And I liked 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:38.880 that they covered where she was like, what the fuck's 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:40.720 with the gap in your teeth and she goes, yeah, 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:45.480 you should wear your retainer, and like I loved that, 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.160 like just the little I don't know the cranberries of 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.480 it all. It just was like a nice fucking movie 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.680 that also makes you cry. And these actors, these young actors, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.920 were like phenomenal. I was feeling every feeling so good, 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.120 and sure a lot of these are short. So then 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.520 I watched which people said wasn't good. I loved it Companion. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.440 I oh again loved it. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.080 Isn't that the guy who did the movie that you 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:15.800 love the Barbarian. 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.680 He just produced it. It was a different writer and director, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.160 but it's about like it's don't worry darling vibes of 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:26.000 like men wanting women, robots or whatnot. It's like, yeah, yeah, 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.440 robots stuff. But I think it's surprising, it's funny, it's shock, 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.600 it's cool, it does all the rule and then like 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.160 it just doesn't end with action and excitement, and her 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.359 monologues are so good. I just thought it was awesome. 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.960 I loved the end, like I loved the visual how 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.960 it looks like I'm I'm into Companion. It was good. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:51.400 Yeah, No, I thought it looked good when I saw 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.640 the preview and was like, I want to see this, 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:54.920 but then it came and went so quickly. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:56.919 I didn't get a chance. I know, everything is so 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.200 fucking fast, like I still have to rush to see Sinners. 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:00.520 I got to see the draw, but I think the 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:07.839 drop's already out. Thunderbolt. Yeah, it's like too much. Okay, 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.560 sorry if this is too many. It was long flights. Okay, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.400 this is the best movie I've probably seen. I loved it. 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.080 I loved it. I loved it the last show Girl, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.440 Oh with Pama and to see it, dying to see it. 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.080 I heard it's amazing, amazing as an understatement, Yeah, I 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.080 want to see that. It really and it's like such 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.360 classic indie movie vibes, like the like the slowness and 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.360 to me watching it with like you know, it's Gia 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.359 Coppola directed it, and so you know, and you're like, yeah, 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.640 this is actually like I bet she learned from her 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:43.600 like family, and you could see it. It shot so beautifully, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.440 like everything is so cool. I just I've really really 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.600 enjoyed it. It was really good. 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.400 Yeah, listen, it's good for there to be one Gea 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:56.280 out there learning any lessons from her family, because Gia 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:01.560 Judee is not learning anything. No, but it was as 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.400 I was watching, I was like, yeah, because I don't 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.159 know if she's a granddaughter, a daughter who's she's a cousin, Like, 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.080 I don't know what she is, but I'm like, I'm sure, 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.839 Like I wonder if Sophia was in the editing with 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.920 her being like, oh do the like I just wonder. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.280 But it was just so beautifully done, and I was like, 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.320 this is how you do it as a nepo, you know, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.480 fucking learn the lessons of your family and give us 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.960 a good ass movie done. Well, yeah, she's not What 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:31.600 is her relation to Sophia Because Jason Schwartzman's niece, niece. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:32.400 Of Sophia Coppola. 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.279 So first cousin once removed of Nick Cage, you know, YadA, YadA, 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.440 first cousin once removed to Jason Schwartzman. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.960 Blah blah blah. He's in it. See's in it? Yeah 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.839 all right, but he'sa like such a performance. And then 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.960 Jamie Lee Curtis and then the young you know it's 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.679 Kieren and Shipka, Billy Lord and Brenda Song. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.960 I didn't even know all those people were in it. Yeah, 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.839 I thought it was Pam and Jamie Lee. 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.719 No, it was really like, oh I've really wow, Okay, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.520 I'm gonna watch that for sure. Sorry, I watched so 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.279 many days. I'm like so embarrassed. Okay and okay, So 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.160 the next movie I finally watched it, I used to 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.840 be funny. It's Rachel Senate. It's an indie movie. Ali 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.960 Pankeow wrote and directed it. We know her, she was 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.480 engaged to a friend dated another famous part we know 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.520 yeah yeah I met her, yeah yeah yeah, So she 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.760 wrote it and directed it. It was awesome. Rachel is 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.200 a fucking star. Caleb's inn it Haron, who's so funny. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.080 But like, it's really good. All of these are good. 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.720 I should have more better words to say. I don't 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.240 have better language. I'm glad. No, I mean, I'm glad 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.280 that I can. I would watch that on. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.760 Maybe it's only on international, but I haven't seen that 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:49.280 on Delta. 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.680 I would totally watch that. Yeah, it's basically like a comedian. Obviously, 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.560 something like happened to her. So she has PTSD and 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.360 she doesn't want to get on stage again, and her 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.840 friends are so supportive, and she's on this journey and 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.200 it like time, it goes back and forth and you're 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.800 trying to piece together what happened with what characters. But 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.440 I just like loved it. Rachel Senn, It's a goddamn star, so, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.560 I mean, not that anyone's surprised now the movie one 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:18.080 of them days. Oh yeah, baby, I saw it. I 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:24.320 was laughing out on the flight. I was dying laughing, 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.080 And I can't wait to watch it again. I think 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.880 it's gonna be a movie that I watch over and over. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.400 Like I loved it, and I loved all the side characters, 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:36.160 like everything was so. I loved all the side It 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.559 just just like the movies. I like, you know, it's like, dude, 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.720 where's my car? It's like Friday. It's like, yeah, you know, 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.280 like I'm trying to think of another one because I 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.440 haven't seen The Hangover. I know that's kind of the 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.079 in a day, what you gotta get it done? 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.720 Yeah, yeah, I love the Yeah, I forgot what it's called. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:54.400 What's a movie that takes place in like a day, 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.880 like a capsule movie kind of thing. But yeah, like 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.880 it's uh, I really enjoyed it. I for some reason, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.280 I wanted the script to be I thought it was 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.800 like really riding off of how charismatic those two are. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.400 Like that's what I said, You're so fucking good. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.280 So I didn't think it was gonna be that good 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.360 because what I was hearing was like, you know, we 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.040 loved it, but you know, but it's okay. And then 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.360 my hairstylist, Lacy like loves it. She seemed like eight 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.480 times like loves it. And so I was like, I 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.439 wonder what's going on. And then when I put it on, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.120 I just was like in love with it all, laughing 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.199 up a storm. I thought. I thought the jokes were 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.040 so funny. I and they're beautiful, They're they're so beautiful, 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:37.360 so beautiful, but it's silly. It's also like slapsticky. I 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.360 love seeing Kat Williams winning, like, I fucking loved it. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.119 And Dwayne Perkins, Yeah, yeah, I loved him. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.319 I the scene in the blood Bank was too much 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.560 for me, know you know, when I started was like no, no, no, no, no. 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.400 I can't with this shit. And I loved Janelle and 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.360 I support everything she does, but I was like, I 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.320 can't with this, even the end of like where are 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:06.480 they now? And money in it too, but like, I 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:11.160 just loved it. I loved the fighting. I really like 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.520 it was just the feel good movie. It was fun, 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.720 and you know, I say this all the time. I 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:18.560 just feel like they. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.200 Don't make movies like this anymore, Like they just don't 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.480 make funny, like sort of stoner comedy like funny movies. 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.240 And the only reason this one could get like probably 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.440 found an audience is because of the star power of 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:32.640 like the main. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.559 I was laughing at a storm loudly on this flight, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:41.960 like I ever. I loved the outfits. I loved the 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.160 bad girl. I liked the Church's chicken. I mean, I 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:45.920 just and I. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.160 Like the back girl was a star. I thought the 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.280 villain was a star. I'm like, I can't wait to 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:51.320 see her and more shit. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:56.240 Yeah, And then this I watched because I was so 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.520 jet lagged, so I was up till like five in 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.560 the morning. This is a Netflix movie. Not good, but 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:08.800 it's a Mother's Instinct and it's Anne Hathaway and Jessica Chastain. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.600 From twenty fourteen. From twenty twenty four Okay, it's a 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.560 new movie. But I think I saw a preview for 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.960 this and was like, this looks like up right up 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:18.960 my fucking alley. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:20.960 It was fine. It was fine. It's just like it 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:25.559 was like two stylized. I don't know. It was fine. 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.679 I was happy to watch it, and you know, I 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.679 was up all night and then okay, so that's it. 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.599 I'm sorry. I just listed off movies. I hope this 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:37.120 was enjoyable for everyone listening. But I loved it and 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.960 it was just like a great time of movies. And 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.480 then I also already finished because of the jet lad 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.200 you know I mentioned it on the pot. I love 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.480 the movie Four Seasons with Alan Alda and like Carol Burnett, 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.320 I like watched it once and I brought it up 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.120 because I didn't I've never even heard. It's so crazy. 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.920 I was literally just about to ask you out of nowhere, 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:56.360 have you heard anything about this show? 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.800 The four season? I watched it all while I was okay, 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.360 I throw up the match. Somebody just told me two 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:01.920 days ago. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.200 They were like, it's so good and there's a great 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.640 there's great twists, and I was like, for a comedy, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:07.920 I don't think of twists. 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.160 You know, if you didn't see the original movie, there 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.360 are twists. Okay, well I haven't, so there's that. No, 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.760 and Ellen Alda makes a cameo in this, so that 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:18.800 was really exciting. No, I loved it. I love these 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.120 kinds of movies. I love friend groups, meeting in a 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:25.679 house like I like, I like the style, and I 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.200 haven't seen will Forte in a while. You know, it's 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.480 like fun. It was good. I really enjoyed it. And 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.920 they so basically it's like four seasons, and they did 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.640 they broke it down by two episodes per season. I'm 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:41.720 gonna watch it, I mean yeah. And Tina Fath producer, 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.720 and Tracy Wigfield is like the big writer. Yeah yeah, 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:45.440 and I love her. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.440 I mean she made that show great news that I 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.440 was obsessed with that nobody watched, but I loved it. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:54.160 So that's that's my Ciskel and Ebert hour. Amazing. I 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.920 apologize now you can start talking. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.959 I am, you know, as usual, woefully behind on all 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.360 my TV and everything because well, last weekend I did 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:09.080 go camping. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:13.240 I took Rosy camping in the wilderness with Yeah calling 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:14.760 me that day. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:19.760 It was so cute and fun, except I didn't sleep 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:21.440 at all, Like I went to sleep. 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:22.400 It was so cute. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.439 We were like in the tent together, like lying on 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.480 our sleeping bags, telling each other's stories, and she kept 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.440 being like telling me another story, and I would just 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.320 like tell her little stories of like silly things that 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.839 have happened in my life or whatever, and then we 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.480 go to sleep. I'm like, it's nine thirty. We've been 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.000 like hiking around and doing shit all day. I'm tired. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:40.720 I've been lugging. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.920 It's so much equipment for two fucking people to sleep 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.800 in the woods for two twenty four hours, Like, it's nuts. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.880 So I was really tired of fall asleep. I'm just 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.400 awake every hour for a half hour, like and then 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.120 I'm falling back asleep a little bit. And I had 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.559 a nice ass thick pad that my friend gave me. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.120 My friend Jackie gave me all this like nice camping equipment. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:02.360 Couldn't sleep. 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.079 So I've been recovering from the sleep for like three days. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.400 But besides that, amazing. The Sunday of the trip was 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.200 May the fourth, you know, which is for dorky Star 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.600 Wars people. I don't know anything about Star Wars, but 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.080 one of the guys made all the kids out of empty. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.040 Bubble wands, you know, the bubble wands. 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.600 Like the long tube that's colorful, emptied them out, attached 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.360 them to flashlights. All the kids had lightsabers. They had 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:29.160 a nighttime lightsaber fight. They went fucking nuts. It was 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.200 like magical they were having the time of their life. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:33.840 Rosie was like, I wish we could stay here for 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.680 two more nights. I was like, I mean I don't 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.680 because of the sleep. But you know, we had a 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.760 great time. It was really fun. And if you drive 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.120 far enough up into the mountains from LA you actually 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:46.920 get better weather than you did in La. We we 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.240 had like a beautiful sunshine day and everyone it was 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.000 raining in La, so we just went above the clouds. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:56.560 It was nice. And then all the kids and parents behaved. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.480 Did you have the loan time? Like did everyone just 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:00.560 what is the vibe with the other parents. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.840 We started wine and cheese, like one of the moms 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.480 brought like no shit, like a full sharcuterie cheese wine 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.120 spread that we started at. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.080 Like three o'clock. So that was nice. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.400 We just like, you know, and the kids were having 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.320 the time, like the best time. They were just like 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.520 running around, and you got to get an idea of 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.640 everybody else's, like everybody's stress level as a parent, because 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.680 I'm like, oh, yeah, they're in we're in the woods, 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.800 like let them go, and everyone is like what if 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.160 they see a rattle snake? What if there's a coyote? 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.280 You know, and I'm like, oh, I don't know they'll 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:30.720 handle it. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.680 I mean they're only six, they probably can't handle a rattlesnake. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.480 But I'm just down to let them run around. And 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:37.640 you you kind of are. 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.000 Dealing with like the different levels of helicoptering that other 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:40.560 parents do. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.160 Well, take your parents. I saw this dad, and I 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.200 swear it took everything, and menut to be like, it's enough, sir. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.120 Stop these two boys on this flight from Lenson S, 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.280 New York Stellar. The dad didn't even talk to them 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.840 once they had their little meals. They played their gay 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:01.200 like the most polite little boys I've ever seen. Big brother, 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.600 little brother. The dad there was absolutely no communicating like 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.520 at all. Like the dad was very British. Do you 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.720 think were they British? No, that's what's shocking. I thought 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.960 they were British. I'm like, they're British little rich boys 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.840 who are in Premium Select, who already have their things, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.360 they know how it works. They're requesting their own lemonade, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.040 they have their own headphone. Like they just were truly 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.040 behaving the whole time, better than I was. So then 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.640 we land and we're all up, but then there's like 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.920 an issue with the door, so like by the time 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.040 the door open, we probably had like twenty or thirty minutes, 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.080 so they were standing by the So then they're back 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:42.200 in their seats. The younger one pissed his pants, and 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:46.320 the dad, okay, I understand being annoyed at first, I 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.560 being like, are you fucking kidding? We were by the toilet, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.720 like we were standing by the toilet. Kid, like, what 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.120 are you doing? So then the kid is like, no, no, no, 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.560 it just leaked, and he's like, it didn't leak. It 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.720 just leaked, and it's like, okay, the kid's lying, but like, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.160 what are you doing? The dad is fully arguing with 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.440 his child, and he goes, well, I don't have a 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.560 change of clothes. You're just gonna be wet. You're gonna 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.400 have wet pants for the ride home. That's what you're 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.199 gonna do. You're gonna have wet clothes. And it's like 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:13.560 you're the parent, like, oh, we'll stop at the Hudson News. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.720 We'll get you a pair of shorts, hey, older brother, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.320 And then so I go to the air dryers in 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.520 the airport. At least, you know, no, just arguing with 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.800 this kid making him feel bad, I can hear the 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:27.920 kid like starting to whimper, and I'm just like giving 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:29.639 him a dirty look. The woman behind me is like, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.679 it's enough. I go, this is fucked up. Then the 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.280 older brother goes, I have an extra pair of pants 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.160 in my so I put the mom's British. He goes, 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.639 I have an extra pair of pants in my in 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.879 my backpack. I have it. So it's like, now you 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:48.000 have the older brother problem solving, trying to find a solution. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:52.200 Your solution is arguing with your child and making him 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:56.600 feel bad because what like he pedn'tn't tell, like it 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.720 just seems like such a thing kids do, and was 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.919 willing to have your kid being pissed clothes for whatever. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.840 The commute was home, I mean JFK ticks forever, so 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.800 it's like that means customs. That means the like the 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.439 uber rides, Oh, probably an hour wherever you're going. So 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:16.119 it's like fuck you. So on my way out, I 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.639 just went, it's okay, kid, and then I kept moving 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.720 because I like hated him so much. That's really nice. No, 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.440 I should have started a fight. I fight with people 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.560 that deserve it less like I should have said something. 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.560 But with parenting it's like tough, but I want to 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.400 be like, if you arguing with your kid, he feels bad. 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.199 He feels bad. He pissed himself. It's not like he 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:33.760 likes it. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.720 No, it's like a core memory. You're trapped in a 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.800 fucking small space. Everyone around you is like looking. Probably 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.840 everyone's noticing your dad yelling you about this. Like that's humiliating. 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:45.320 And also with kids, it's like this whole thing. You 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:46.840 hold your piss, you don't want to pay, you want 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:47.480 to enjoy whatever. 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.840 I just get. I'm someone that waits to pee till 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.080 the last minute, so like I don't know, and he 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.600 goes right when we sat down, and he wouldn't stop arguing, 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:03.439 and I'm like, you're the parent. Yeah, your kid is 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.680 lying that it leaked because you're a bitch. Yeah, dick, 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:09.680 And he just like put his head in his hands, 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.119 and I'm like, you truly ignored your kids for eight hours. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.160 I've watched you the whole flight. You didn't ask one 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.760 question about any oh, And I knew I hated him 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.040 even before that, because there's a hangman on one of 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.280 the games and this is when we landed and had 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.040 to wait for a while, and he starts playing Hangman, 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.160 and instead of being like what letter do you think? 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.679 Or why don't you find a vowel, he just was like, 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.199 find a find you find art and it was Bulgaria 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.040 and it's and then he was like, it's Bulgaria. Why 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.359 don't you ask your kid if he knows what Bulgaria is, 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.600 where it is, give him clues. Like it was just like, 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.080 this is why people shouldn't just have kids, because you 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.480 have to have kids because to me, just because you 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.320 have money too, just because you're in Premium Select doesn't 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.960 mean you're a good fucking paranteeth or Jesus, it really 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.600 upset me over all. But it's like you ignored them 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.120 for eight hours, you're giving him the answers, and now 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.000 you're yelling at him for pissing himself, Like, fuck you, dude, 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.080 I should have especially when they're being such good, when 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:09.600 they're being so good Stellar good, Stellar, Oh my god, 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.200 Oh I know not guy, And they were just so cute. 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.000 But I also love that the big brother, you know, 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.879 immediately was like, well I have extra pants, so like, 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:22.520 shut the fuck up, dad, you. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:26.600 Know, yeah, good on the bigger kid. Jesus, Yeah, I 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.320 don't know. People are fucking Yeah, not everyone should do it. 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:32.200 He's probably pissed he had to. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.080 Fly with them alone or something. I don't know. He goes, 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.680 your mom has the rest of the clothes, so maybe 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.000 she got on a different flash. I don't know what 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:43.520 was going on, but. 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.320 Like I just yeah, this sounds like a guy who's 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:48.439 used to the mom taking care of everything and is 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:49.879 like pissed he has to do anything. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:51.520 Truly, that's what it sounds like. 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.200 In honor of Mother's Day, which we'll have just passed, 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:56.400 Happy Mother's. 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.679 Day to all the moms. The mail is so annoying. 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.000 I sent a Mother's de call my mom already got it. 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.800 I go, it's it's like too early. But sometimes these 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:09.159 letters take so long, like there's just no there's nothing. 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:10.280 I know. 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.240 Well as we know. I just did get a Tiffany's 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.840 gift that I ordered. I just I just had to. 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.399 It's landing there today. It's landing there today. 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:22.760 I hope it fits. I took it out. It's tiny. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:25.000 I mean, you know, it's. 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.600 For the wrist, but it's a little well they can add, 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.120 they can add, they can add a little bead, they 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.600 can add yeah, two, okay, yeah, they could add links. 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.000 They can add links, because for my necklace I added 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:39.239 some links. I'll let you can. You can definitely. Oh, 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:41.400 I have a new phrase that I love from England. 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:46.680 What So basically, I'm I was at the same hotel 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.439 last time I was there, and so I see my 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:54.600 friend's mom and I go, wow, they really remodeled the lobby, 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:58.399 and the lobby looks like so cute, like theonline like jungle. 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.000 They like, it's cute. And it used to be like 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.560 truly a red roof in you know, like it just 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.760 they really upped it. And her mom goes, ugh, yeah, 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:12.720 it used to be cheap, common and vulgar. I kind of. 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.919 Cheap, common and vulgar. No, the Brits are the best. 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.400 The way that they talk. They have better phrases than us. 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:21.360 It's great good. 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.040 Oh. And then like we took tequila shots. You know, 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.800 these motherfuckers hate ice, because I was like, can we 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.160 get it chilled? And the way everyone turned and looked 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:33.600 at me in silence, humiliated, and I go, my bad. 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:37.480 Sorry, Yeah, they don't love ice famously. 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:39.919 No. I ended up ordering a diet coke at one 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.159 point and they go, we don't have ice, okay, And 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:46.359 I go, it's fine, all right, Ah, but well we 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.720 got the tequila American and one of the guys went, 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:55.240 do you want salad meaning limes? Should we get some salad? Yeah? 0:22:55.400 --> 0:23:01.040 Make salad. Yeah. That was a good one too, So 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:05.520 I really I really enjoyed that. That's cute. Oh wait. 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.760 I also last week I organized this like first parents' 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.120 night out at our school that was like a fundraiser, 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:16.199 and my friend went up and down like all of 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.480 the stores in Highland Park, like and Eagle Rock, like 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:21.280 you would have if you still lived here, I would 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:22.880 have invited you to this because you would have loved 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:26.159 this raffle. It was like packages of like different like 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.240 all themed packages to like different restaurants or like different 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.000 shops and this and that, and one of them was 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.720 a gift certificate to a dance for a dance class. 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.480 And Oscar's been dying to take ballet. So I put 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.840 all my raffle tickets in that bowl. And I, even 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.800 though I was announcing the raffle, my friend pulled for 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:46.359 that bowl because I said, I don't want to be 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.800 assumed to be cheating. And we did win it, and 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.960 I was so happy, and Oscar was thrilled. 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:53.080 In the morning. 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.360 He's very excited. He's going to get it toutu and 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.200 we're doing ballet. Baby, I can't wait. 0:23:58.760 --> 0:23:59.919 I'm so sorry happy. 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:00.560 I know. 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:02.560 I was so happy. It was like the only one 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.159 I wanted to win. But there was also like a 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:05.760 facial that. 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.160 I wanted to win. But that's okay. I didn't want that. 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.760 But wait, this sucks because we've been talking for forever. 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:15.560 But the met happened. 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:20.600 Oh oh. It always sneaks up on me. And last 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:22.560 night I was like on Instagram and I was like, oh, 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.440 Liza's probably so excited about all of these looks. 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:28.960 I did you know. It was like, it's nice that 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.600 it was such a specific theme because I loved I 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.639 was on it. I want a theme. There was no 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:39.719 real confusion, I guess just with Shakira. I was confused, 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:45.480 but like most everyone else, it made sense. And I 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.560 liked that it was like so cohesive of an evening. 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:50.560 And I love that I met all the women were 0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:52.280 like finally comfortable. 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:52.320 For a day. 0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:53.080 Yes. 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:53.439 Well. 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:56.760 I loved that it was tailoring and for some people, 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:58.359 I was like, I wish you had warn like a 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.720 suit or something more tailored than not like a gown, 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.320 you know, like because I loved all the women in 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.399 like the more traditional like men's wear, you know, like 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:08.840 tailored stuff. 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.280 I thought it looked awesome. Doci looked so cool. 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:19.280 Yes, Coleman Domingo, multiple outfits, gorge. 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:21.760 I'm just trying to think of. Now, I know Janelle 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:28.359 Monet nailed it. Oh I'm a Chamberlain. I mean she 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.120 always does good. I mean Miley finally, the bitch never 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:36.840 was that dam Finally Miley came through. But some of 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.480 the dresses, like with Gigi hadid it was like a 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:44.159 Josephine Baker nod, you know, like which which I guess 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:45.879 maybe I should look into like what she. 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.040 Which was Megan the Stallion also did like a Josephine 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:50.000 Baker nod. 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.560 Okay, Yeah, and then I love Nikki Bell. Oh yeah, 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.080 I just yeah, me too. I mean I was absorbing 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.640 all of his his oh, because I thought Pam Anderson, 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:01.280 look at there was someone else. I paused on me. 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.280 I couldnt believe it. Now I'm a Chamberlain is just 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:06.920 like a battie. She's so fucking cool. Oh. Tianna Taylor, 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:12.040 like incredible Tiana Taylor and red layers patterns. I love 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:15.440 the pattern, mixing in the shapes and all the platforms 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.800 they're sign You know, I didn't like some of our 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:22.359 comedy people. Oh, Hailey Bieber bad plain, too plain for me, 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:26.160 Kendall Jenner boring, Yeah, and Rihanna. 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.320 Somebody posted we're never getting the new album, and it's true, 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:33.199 We're just not. She's just having more babies. But asap 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:37.480 Rocky looks awesome too. He's so hot. Zendia damn. Yeah, 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:42.000 everybody looks fucking good. Oh, I would say, I mean, 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:46.600 oh my god, Hallie Berry jesus, Oh, I didn't even 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:50.399 see her. Jeez, you said you said yes or no 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:51.480 on Charlie XCX. 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:53.320 I just found her. I liked it. I like the sheer. 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:55.200 I like then. I don't know if I get about 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.160 the theme, but I loved her posing too. Oh god, 0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:01.600 oh my god, it's thirty millions. Did you like start acting? 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.879 And I'm excited for it. Jenna or Tagar or taga 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:08.760 Her thing was made out of tape measures. It's like 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.719 silver tape measures, and I, you know, I like that 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:13.639 creativity at least. 0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.199 And I was seeing a lot of Diana Ross. I 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.200 was seeing a lot of Diana Ross's look. 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:19.880 Out because I don't think she's been to a met 0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:23.320 for like an eight years. Yeah, party was a little 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.439 bit of a miss. Maybe there's more history than I 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:27.600 should know about. Oh, Kekey Palmer look good. Oh my god, 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.760 Kekey Palmer loved Keky Palmer. 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:34.760 Will Yeah, this has been a Kekey Palmer stan intro. 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:39.200 I also liked do Chie leaving the hotel with her 0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.359 andre Leon tally nod so like she has her look, 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.119 but then she also like dressed like him with all 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:49.000 the tennis gear for the day before party. Oh and 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:50.520 I got to give a shout out to my friend 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:56.040 Alex English. He was there. He was hired by the Rogue. Yeah, 0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:59.600 he did out and he was at the DOCI after 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:04.879 part but he was writing for whatever online correspondence stuff 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:09.520 they had. And yeah, Alex English was a writer and 0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.000 he was at the met and yeah, so that was like, 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:16.320 that's exciting. Yeah, I was really happy for him. I mean, 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:20.080 I am in it for a while, but it finally happened, 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.640 and with things like this, Oh he's sorry. 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.439 I don't just like finding people. 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:31.800 Well, I'm like scrolling now. But even though we're at 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.480 thirty minutes because and we have to go, oh, I'm 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:36.600 not tell you Ray, I like, I don't fully get it, 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:41.080 but I love it. Cool. Oh, I do like to 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:41.560 look up. 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.880 I just found this thing called twenty twenty five met 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:45.920 gallant train wrecks. 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.400 So yeah, give us the train. Oh, Alex, I'm looking. 0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.840 That's on the route dot com. I don't know if 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:53.880 this is entertaining for people. Do you guys want to 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.040 hear us say more name names? 0:28:56.080 --> 0:29:00.640 And yes? No visual I so it was there. I 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:02.880 needed ae. I see a Quinta outfit and I'm looking 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.400 at it and I love it. Oh, this guy did 0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:11.600 great Regien page Oh, rega page right from Bridgerton. Yeah, 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.320 he looked fucking good. There was also someone in green 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.680 that I was like, who the fuck are you? I 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:18.880 think it was like a young NEPO who looks good. 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:20.720 Wherever we have to start this is like a nightmare. 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.200 Oh yes, because I saw Nikki Bell be like, why 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:24.280 are more people doing color? 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.080 Is that who you're like thinking of? Yeah? 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.480 I agree, Like it was very black and white, but 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:31.480 some people had fun with color, although Chapel I think 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:33.920 was it was too much with the pink. Anyway, this 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.520 concludes we've given you Sisci and Niebert we've given you 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:39.200 fashion full fashion. 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.280 Oh my god, Mary J. Blige is wearing a clear hat. 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:44.360 She's wearing a clear hat. I like, oh yeah, oh 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.200 my god, I just saw her in a photo with 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.080 Stella McCartney. That's what I'm looking at right now. 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.720 Yeah, okay, let's get that. 0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:53.440 Let's get this episode started. 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.360 It's we're going straight from met gala to a very 0:29:56.400 --> 0:30:00.040 sad opening of this of a television show. But but 0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.400 as usual, go to That's Messed Up Live dot com. 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.760 Lisa has a bunch of dates coming up. You can 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.600 scroll down towards as Lisa's website. You can also shop 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:13.760 our merch promo codes, et cetera. And yeah, let's kick 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:14.960 off today's. 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:24.280 Ep Ooh, Jalen hurts sexy. All right, we're doing the 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:30.400 episode Risk Everyone, Season four, episode twelve, January seventeenth, two 0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:31.480 thousand and three. 0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:33.400 I'll be honest, this was like watching it for the 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.040 first time again. This was one of those I always 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.440 remember the main first scene that you're gonna describe, Yeah, 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.080 but then I don't really remember anything after that. 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:48.120 I well, I I I've watched this now like five times. Yeah, year, 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.040 so I do. But one of the most famous starts 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.440 of an SVU episode, which is saying a lot because 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:58.240 what a show. So there's men playing basketball and they're 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.200 in long sleeves and sweats. It's fun. A woman is 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.480 screaming for help off screen. The men know her and 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.040 they start running to help her. And Lynn is running 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.640 with this baby, screaming, my baby's not breathing, My baby's 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.720 not breathing, and it's baby Juan and they zoom in 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:16.480 on the baby. Very cute baby, great little actor. He 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.080 wasn't breathing at all, So go get it baby, And 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:21.200 I wonder if the baby got a sad card, so 0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:24.880 Benson a stabler or at the hospital getting a low down. 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:30.360 It's Juwan's ten months old respirator elevated heart rate, shallow respirations, 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.880 dilated pupils. Staylor goes, sounds like an OD and the 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:38.160 doctor goes, you're right, detective talk screen is positive for cocaine. 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.520 So someone dope this kid up. And that's a direct quote. 0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.440 So then right into the credits, obviously like what do 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:47.480 you follow up with? Like the baby's filled with coke? 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.000 So then the mom is, you know, this has like happened. 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.480 I finally have realized, like every time I go home 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:54.560 early and I don't know how to stay up. It's 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:56.800 because everyone's on cocaine and no one is telling I 0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:58.880 don't do coke, so it's like I wouldn't do it, 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.680 but I'm like, I just keep thinking I'm a loser 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.800 and all of you are coked up. Yeah, they are 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:10.000 taking steroids of partying. Yeah, they're doping. This keeps happening 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.200 to me where I'm like, oh, you guys, I gotta 0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:13.680 go to bed, And then the next da, everyone's like 0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:17.560 we're up till seven cocaine and I'm like, okay. They 0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.160 were telling me at night that this has happening. Yeah, 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.160 because I feel like I'm getting old, that I'm disconnected, 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:24.600 that I can't party anymore. 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:28.680 And this reminds me of how like, all through college 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.320 I sort of thought everybody was just taking adderall and riddlin, 0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:33.520 but it was coke. Like I was like, oh, but 0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.520 it's at it's aderall right, They're like, yeah, it's adderall. 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.840 Like I didn't realize until like we graduated that everybody 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:40.600 was doing coke. 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.760 Yeah damn, let us think about it. You know, Yeah, 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.800 I don't I've done it. I've done coke many times. 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.520 It does nothing for me. I get no thrill out 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.600 of it except I am awake talking nonsense to somebody 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:56.800 at seven am, and I suddenly go, I gotta go 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:58.440 to Why am I here? I gotta go home? Like 0:32:58.480 --> 0:32:59.520 that's all coke does to me. 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.360 And it's people you don't like, because then I was 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.240 just partying and someone came up and they're like, yeah, 0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:05.160 we stayed up with this guy un till seven am 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:08.120 or no, ten am, and I was like, do we 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:13.280 even like this person? Yeah, yeah till ten am. What 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.760 did you talk to this guy about? Yeah, it doesn't 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:18.640 give me a euphoric feeling at all. 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:23.320 I'm just awake, talking nonsense and dripping, dripping a fucking pipe. 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:27.400 It's like a little faucet. I hate it. So anyway, 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.960 so the mom is crying with the detectives and she's 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.520 obviously pissed, like you think I drugged my baby, and 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.800 they're like, no, no, we're not jumping to any conclusions, and 0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:37.920 she of course goes, yeah you are. I'm black and 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:39.600 I live in the projects, and you think I coked 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:43.520 up my baby And Benson tells her gonna calm down, yea, 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:49.160 her baby is o DK Season four she's Actually I've 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.720 been watching a lot of Season twenty, don't ask, but 0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:58.400 it's like they regressed, Like Rollins is so like fuck 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:03.160 the slut and Ben is full anti abortion in multiple episodes. 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:05.320 I was like binge watching season twenty and it's just 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.400 Rollin's being like, I don't know, she's a weak victim, 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.560 that's a liar, she's a whore, and Benson going, you 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.280 might regret, you might regret. I don't know, are you thirteen? 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.040 Maybe still give birth to this baby? That's an inside 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:24.120 Like Season twenty became anti abortion and a slut shaming season. 0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:24.880 It's really weird. 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.520 Feel like they're trying to trojan horse it in with 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.240 like now that lives a mom, you know, she maybe 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.720 feels different about abortion, and it's like, no, I feel 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.200 more strongly about abortion since I had kids than I 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:37.320 ever have before. 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.400 No. With Marishka, I think it's her religious yeah, but 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.080 I think she's pro choice. I do think she's pah choice, yes, 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:48.440 but I think personally she's anti mors. Yes, in terms 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:50.719 of like she is an EP. She is the star 0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:55.719 of the show, and the storylines keep yeah happening. We're like, 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:56.440 I don't. 0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.680 But then they do these big abortion episodes like the 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:00.960 teen from Ohio who had to come to New York, 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:02.520 you know, like, yeah. 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.200 But I was watching a thirteen year old who gotten 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:08.040 pregnated by her stepfather. And Benson's like, you're gonna be 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:12.719 a great mom. Oh no, what episode We've done the episode? 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.240 We've done this one. And she's like, thirteen got married 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.720 in Missouri. They're here, they lied, got the gay teacher killed. 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:23.359 Oh my god, bowling trophy. Nothing, you don't you've done 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.759 that one? I think, so, oh my god, I think 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:27.279 we've done. 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:31.320 What if I write Season twenty SVU bowling trophy, do 0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:32.200 you think it'll come up? 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:36.000 Yeah, it was a gay bowling trophy. But I can 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:39.520 also find the good girl. Yeah, we haven't done that. 0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.120 We haven't. No, thank god. 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.319 I was like, oh my god, like my memory is 0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:46.320 truly rotting. 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:50.600 Then if I'm watching it, going, oh I remember. 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:52.600 If you've just watched it, you might think we did it, 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:54.960 you know, but we we definitely haven't done that one. 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:56.719 But we'll put it on the list. Well, let's put 0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:58.080 it on the list. Let's get the good. 0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:03.520 So we can talk about fucking these ridiculous regressive views. 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:10.680 That's that's yeah, it's kind of unfortunate. All right, we're back, 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.200 we're back, We're so. Then the mom is like, I 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.160 work my ass off cleaning houses to keep me in 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.560 Juan in that apartment. My mother was a junkie and 0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.600 I would never And Benson is growing out her pixie 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.920 at this point, it's a side sweet bang era, and 0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:26.640 so she's like, well, tell me exactly what happened. So, 0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:28.520 through tears, the mom is like, I picked him up 0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:30.719 from daycare, I brought him home, I fed him, he 0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:32.759 wasn't that hungry. I put him to sleep, I put 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:34.319 him in the crib, but when I checked on him, 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.279 he was hardly breathing. And Sadler walks back with some 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.080 news and Lynn starts crying and asking if her baby 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:42.240 is dead, and he goes no. The doctors do confirm 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:44.759 it's cocaine, though, and the cocaine was mixed in with 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.759 the baby formula. So Lynd starts crying, where do you 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:51.160 get where'd you get the formula? And sadly she did 0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:55.759 take it. So she cleans houses for this family, and 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:57.920 she was broke. She was gonna return it. She just 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.399 didn't have money, and she took the four meat from 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.400 this home. So we go to the Fight for Home. Okay, 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.080 obviously I think of Michelle Pfife for this whole episode. 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.440 And Mom is like, oh my god, thank god you 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:10.560 contacted me. I was just coming back from the park 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:17.720 with Tommy tom and they use the baby Growth brand 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.400 and she, you know, she's giving off rich blonde woman. 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.320 She didn't even notice that any of the cans were missing. 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:26.400 She buys them by the cases, And what a subtle 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.319 way to show the difference between how people live, where 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.680 like one person can't even afford formula and the other 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:34.920 doesn't even notice when one goes missing. So then Benson 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:36.920 gets a serious face and is like, you need to 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.560 tell us where you got this. And when she goes, 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.040 my husband goes to gentry market, like probably a couple 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.320 of days ago. And now we know she's lying because 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.319 her husband did an errand I don't think so. So 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.560 then we're at Daniel Sunjada, former guests of the Pod. 0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.080 We're in the lab and they took all the baby 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.799 formula off the shelves and all of them are clear. 0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.719 So and then from the Home forward, if only one 0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.520 other one had the same chemistry as the og killer 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:07.960 one and it's ninety percent pure cocaine. So it's not like, yeah, 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.760 it's not like a little drippy drop. No, this baby 0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:14.120 is coked up. And so this is a smuggle situation. 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:15.880 It must have come from south of the border, but 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.319 how did it get on the onto the shelves. So 0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:21.719 then she Sunjada is like, well, baby formula is monitored 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:25.400 very closely to the FDA, so we can match the 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.920 number to the manufacture and really get some work done. 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.560 Craigan called the FDA and they're pulling the product in 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:33.799 a super fast and important recall, and so the precinct 0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:37.200 is buzzing. Everyone's working, you know, and every other baby 0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:40.399 formula from that plant are clean. But actually the other 0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:42.719 the two that were tainted were not made at that 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:46.400 the same UH factory. They were made in a plant 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.840 in Mexico. And then Finn goes Cartel country because you know, 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.719 he used to work in narcotics. So how did the 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:56.160 two cans for Mexico end up in the Peifer's closet. 0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.480 I'm sure it's shelf and not closet, Okay, So then 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.839 Craigan go, well, what do we know about them? Benson goes, well, 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:04.400 the mom's home with the baby and the dad is 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:09.040 a stockbroker classic, So we go visit daddy Pfeiffer and 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.560 his name's Derek and so he's making stockbroker money and 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.080 then drug money on the side. What's going on? And 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:16.840 Munch gets off the phone. He goes, sounds like a 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:20.600 perfect candidate. His credit reports in the dumper, filing for 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.760 bankruptcy and he's and then his three hundred thousand dollars 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:27.560 debt miraculously erased, kind of like Brett Cavanaugh. I wonder 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:31.360 who paid off his debts. So then Ring Ring Benson answers, 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:34.319 and Munch and Craigan keep chatting, and Belle Zer goes, 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:38.120 who says crime doesn't pay, and Benson hangs up sadly, 0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:40.279 the baby died. Joan is dead. Why did they have 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:44.560 to do that? I know they they had to kill Juwan. 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:49.359 We had to kill Juwan. It's so sad. I guess 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.200 for the murder charge, but it's like, do we really 0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:53.200 have to war? Like I don't understand why we way 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.280 to do this to this young mom? Like this is sad. 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:57.719 I don't I don't need this. I don't need this. 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:03.600 So Stabler's mad, and that's depraved indifference, a murder for 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.880 whoever smuggled those drugs in. So Craigan orders them to 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.080 go talk to this guy. So we're on broad Street 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:14.320 and it's Crystalia's best friend, Brian Callan, and he sadly 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:16.520 is in this show and an episode of Sex and 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:18.799 the City. So it's really fucking annoying how much this 0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.320 man worked. But he was the guy that fucked carry 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:25.680 like a rabbit for Charlotte's second wedding. Yeah, and injures her, 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.799 and Munch is like, okay, sure, but now we got 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:31.399 to figure out how like this stuff got into the house. 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.000 And he keeps working, he's like barely paying attention as 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:37.440 they talk to him. He's like, beats me. Munch asked Derek, like, 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:39.920 have you taken any trips outside the country. He goes, oh, yeah, 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:41.799 I have clients all over the world, YadA, YadA, And 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:43.680 without flinching, Munch is like, well we can go talk 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:45.200 to customs, like, well, who the fuck do you think 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.880 you're playing with right now? And he goes, oh yeah, ye, no, 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:50.600 I did just come back from Mexico City company business. 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:53.560 And he also doesn't think it looks good to be 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:55.600 questions in the office and Munch goes, oh my god, 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.080 we thought that too, Why don't you come down to 0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.480 our office. He tries to fight it, but Finn is 0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:01.239 serious and is like, I'm gonna cuff you in front 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:02.960 of all of your little coworkers if you don't get 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.240 it together. So now the three of them are walking 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:07.640 outside and he's like, I have meetings and things to do, 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.040 and it's like your baby could have died and another 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.200 baby is dead, so why don't you get it together 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:16.160 and your meetings can wait? And then you know, they 0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:20.799 smell a rat and it's Tucker. It's Tucker baby, and 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.400 he goes, listen, Craigan signed off on this, I'm taking 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.080 him and Finn's like what narcotics wants him, like, what's 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.640 going on? This is our case. Stabler comes in hot 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:30.920 to confront Craigan. So we're back in the office and 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.279 he's like what the fuck and Craigan is lost. He's like, 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.520 I have no idea what you're talking about. Where is 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.880 Peiffer And so now he realizes they've all been screwed, 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:42.120 that Tucker's lying to everyone, and Craigan is fucking pissed 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:44.640 and asks to take a ride. So Craigan walks right 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:46.839 up to Tucker, pulls him by the collar and says, 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.560 you lying son of a bitch, and he goes, not 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:51.319 only are you trying to steal our case, but you 0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:55.200 want my people to think I'm in your pocket? And yeah, 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:59.160 so he's fucking mad, and through gritted teeth, Tucker goes, 0:41:59.200 --> 0:41:59.759 get off me. 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:00.400 Now. 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:02.839 They kind of fight back and forth and basically it's 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.319 like where the fuck is Fiffer and they let him go. 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.000 Craigan's like, what the fuck? He's a suspect and a 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.040 murder investigation, and Tucker threatens that if any of his 0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:13.680 people go near Fiffer, they will go before a trial board. 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:16.240 He goes, good, then you can explain why an infant 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:18.560 died on your watch. And he wants to know what 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.520 the hell is going on and Tucker tells him no 0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:23.399 and to leave, and Craigan pushes him, being like, if 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.120 you're involved, that means a dirty cops involved. And Craigan 0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:29.000 wants a name, and Tucker tells him to go to hell, 0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:32.120 and it's like, are you all this is like so funny? 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.560 Well, I will say, actually, there's a lot in the 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:40.840 real crimes that influences the journey of IAB. I think 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:44.160 in the show and like, what's happening here? I'll just 0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:47.400 I'll get to it later, but like you know whos 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:48.919 it's all coming to me now. 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:52.160 So then Stabler's like, so, what's the next move, boss, 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.440 and Craigan goes, go pick him up. Sailor's like a 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:56.319 scared little boy. He's like, wait, but i AB and 0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:58.359 Craigan goes, I don't give a fuck, tell him you're 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.120 following orders and pick that mother fuck her up. So 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:03.320 we go to pick up the motherfucker on the thirty 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.160 fourth floor and guess what, he's on the bathroom floor. 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.560 He is dead. He is not breathing. Surprise, surprise, Derek 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:13.360 is dead. Somebody beat them to like to it. So 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:15.680 munch in finner on the case and he was strangled 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.360 by a cable and so we talked to his direct boss, 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:22.320 Keith Gerard, and he's in season three s V as well. 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:24.600 We've covered that episode or we have it, we do 0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:26.480 it in our live shows. But it's the Elizabeth Bank 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:30.000 Zach Morris episode. Yeah, and he's Ray. Yeah, he's Ray 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:36.440 Borland Boyland well the like the Willy Wonka porn guy. Yeah, 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:39.040 that's yeah, baby, Yeah, and he's also a sex in 0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:42.040 the city elm, so that's like really exciting. He wanted 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.719 to have a threesomeless Charlotte, so that's really fun. But 0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:48.880 this dude, he can't even believe that this could happen 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:52.239 in his building. You know, it's just like by the 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:57.239 board stockbrokers. So since nine eleven, security has been so tight, 0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:59.640 So who the fuck made it into this building? Pinna 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.000 Munt trying to get scooped from this boss who says 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.880 that Derek has been acting different since his demotion, and 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:07.719 they're like, whoa not a demotion, but yeah, all his 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:10.640 biggest accounts lost millions and he used to run the 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.880 floor but now he's a loser. And they're like, well, where, 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:16.160 like where's he been, what's going on? He goes, well, 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.720 there was a meeting with his managing partners. But he 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:21.160 doesn't fight at all, which is rare, but he goes, 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.880 here's all the information. No fighting. He's like, take the records, 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:27.280 take the accounts. My assistant will give you everything you need. 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.600 But also, if this was a hit, maybe his wife's 0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:34.000 in danger too. So Benson is now in the kitchen 0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:35.839 with the wife and like she's filling up a tea 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.799 kettle and she's like, no, no, no, my husband would never 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:41.359 be involved with drugs and they go, oh, no, he's 0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.560 definitely a drug smuggler. She goes no, no, no, absolutely not, 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:46.640 and Sailor's like, well, did you know that your husband 0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:49.080 was demoted at work? She did not, and they're like, 0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:50.960 did you know he filed for bankruptcy. She's like, well, 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:53.680 I knew we were in debt, so not everything is 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:55.480 as it seems, so because in the beginning, I go, 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.200 look at this rich family, but they're in debt. So 0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.160 Derek said he paid everything off and got a bonus 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.480 for closing a big deal. And she puts down the 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.040 kettle and then starts to cry. She's very confused. She's like, 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:07.839 I didn't know about this. I didn't know about his job. 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.239 He just worked long hours and they're like, what was 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:11.960 he always in the office. She goes, well, three days 0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:14.560 a week. He entertained clients at the bowl and the Bear. 0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:17.760 So they keep pushing for more infos. She gets really frustrated. 0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:19.680 She's like, why are you asking me all these questions? 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:24.040 And they're like, your husband is murdered and probably with 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.800 his involvement in drugs and so they might want to 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.239 murder you too, and so she goes, oh, no, are 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.799 me and Tommy in danger? And it's like, yes, that's 0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.160 what we've been trying to say, as you've been calmly 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:37.280 making tea and your husband is dead. So they offered 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:38.959 to take her somewhere. She goes, no, I'm just gonna 0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.239 go to my sister's house. They're like, has anyone threatened you? 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.280 And she's back at the kettle. I get a life, 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.840 she says. After the detectives left, another man knocked on 0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:50.000 the door, saying that Derek sent him to pick up 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.080 the formula, and when she said she gave it to 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:55.120 the detectives, this guy got really upset. But he had 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:58.680 a badge done done now we know, like the dirty cop. 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.680 So back in Craigan office, Tucker's yelling at everyone, I 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.480 told you to back off the case. And Craton goes, actually, Tucker, 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:07.080 you fucked up. You fucked up, and I will fuck 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:09.880 you up even more. And then if like this is 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:13.360 a rare moment, Tucker feels defeated, and so he starts 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.360 spilling the news and like, now they're gonna do a 0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.719 joint task force. So the twice already NYP. Every time 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.359 I say it, like whenever I use their terminology, I'm like, 0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:27.359 am I a cop? Okay? So twice anytime I say 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:30.960 chief of detectives like joint tat, like any kind of 0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:35.600 words like that. So then so he starts spilling the news. 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:39.280 So twice already NYPD have tried to infiltrate the baby 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:43.640 formula cocaine ring, and but the undercovers got made both times, 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.440 So there must be a bad cop in there as well, Like, 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:50.400 Who's what's going on that all these undercovers keep being made? 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.960 But also I just love that it's taken like months 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.080 for any other department. But as he was about to 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.640 crack the case in forty five minutes, So we need 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.040 to find out who made this bad cokene formula and 0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.719 that killed that baby, Craigon goes, we're taking this on, 0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:05.840 So do you want us to help or do you 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:07.359 want us to get the fuck out of your way? 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:09.279 And you flop on your own, like what do you want? 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:11.759 Tucker goes, fine, what do you need? So the whole 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:15.400 list is fake id's vehicles, drugs, and buy money for starters. 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.440 I mean I would love that. So then we're in 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:21.160 business munch in. Finn enter the precinct with news that 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:23.759 every single visitor to that building has been accounted for. 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:27.120 So someone on the inside murdered Derek. So now we 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.279 got to look at phone records what stands out? And 0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:31.880 Benson thinks what stands out as he calls his wife 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:35.319 with a payphone when he was out, So like when 0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:36.920 he's at Bull in the Bear, he doesn't use his 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.200 cell phone. He goes out to the payphone to call 0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.760 his wife. That is strange. So maybe he does business 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:44.000 at the Bull and the Bear too, And so we 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.799 go over there and Finn's like, honey, they'll know if 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:48.839 I go there, like I look like a fucking cop. 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.160 And Elliott he looks more like a corporate guy. And 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.719 he's game, you know, he loves a little theater. So 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:56.879 Finn and Olivia are gonna ghost him. And Finn gives 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.759 advice like, hey, so they just lost their baby for 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:02.080 me less scheme, so they need to find a new 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:04.239 way to get drugs into the country. So be their 0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:07.279 solution to the problem. And you could really take that 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:11.160 to any job interview. That's great advice. Be the solution 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:15.680 to people's problems. Yeah, and so he knows he needs 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.040 to like go in. He's gonna be vulnerable, and Finn's 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:20.520 dropping him off like a proud little narcotics daddy, and 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:23.920 Sailor's wearing glasses for this job. And Finn has more advice. 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:26.680 He goes, never flash or buy money. And if they 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:29.799 offer to buy, you know the test and you know it, 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:31.440 give us. And then he gives him a little bit 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.160 of cocaine and a secret recording advice that's not a 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:37.320 wire that they can find because they're obviously professional criminals 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:40.680 and there's backup everywhere. They're recording everywhere. And this bar 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:44.440 is so basic, like if I was entertaining, obviously entertaining 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:47.480 clients is just selling cocaine because this is a this 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.840 is just an old timey pub, Like this is not sexy, 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:53.040 this is not strip cluck like this is not a 0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.920 place you would entertain people spending millions. Absolutely not. No, 0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:02.799 Benson wildly over drives at this bar. Yes, while it 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:05.400 looks like she just came back from opening night at 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:08.200 the opera at Lincoln fucking Center, Like she is dressed 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:12.440 insane in a black, sexy off the shoulders strappy number. 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:14.880 Maybe she's supposed to be like a high end escort 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:18.880 or something like this bar is shitty. I cannot stress 0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:22.839 this enough. My favorite kind of bar shitty shitty. Yeah, 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:23.279 they could have. 0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.240 I guess it's like they have to really telegraph Benson 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:28.360 is being undercover. Like they couldn't just have her like 0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:31.279 a sexy top in jeans because it wouldn't like make 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:33.560 it clear enough, I feel, you know, So they have 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:35.680 to like always put her in straight from the opera gear. 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:38.160 Yeah, yeah they could. I mean, they could have just 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:41.759 put a wig on her, all right, so and hide 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:45.000 that hair. I don't think so. So then Sabler comes in, cocky, 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:47.960 he asks for a beer, last one on the left, whatever, 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:50.239 and the whatever the lady's having. I mean, I love 0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:53.840 this flirt. I like love the flirting. She's drinking Scotch 0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:57.000 on the rocks, so she's a real guyscal She thanks him. 0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:59.440 They have a little flirt. The total is twelve dollars. 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:05.560 It's twelve dollars for a fucking tap beer and a 0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:10.400 fucking Scotch on the rocks is twelve dollars. Oh my god, 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:14.680 what those were the days? Like, honestly, what the fuck? 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:15.279 I mean? 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:16.960 I used to get a picture of beer in college 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:21.799 for five dollars, like you know, things are things are expensive. 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:26.280 So then a little cocaine falls out of Stabler's pocket 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:29.120 and the bartender sees it too, and this moves really 0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:32.960 quickly for talking about an illegal operation. So the baggie 0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:35.759 of coke falls. I guess it's like pretty normal for 0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.799 a Wall Street bar. And then it goes straight to like, 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.080 oh is that good? He goes, and then the bartender goes, 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:44.000 I have something better. There's a dealer in the back, 0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:48.360 ready to do business and talk. It's like it just 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:53.280 seems crazy. You're like to be this trusting of just one. Yeah, 0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:56.680 Benson's fake name is Donna, which I love and whatever. 0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:58.880 So now there's a resident dealer and we go to 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:01.279 the resident dealer, and now I'm like, I wonder if 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.480 there's resident dealers that like every bar I go to, 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:05.400 and like I just don't notice, And now I was like, 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.440 should I be noticing? Like then the bartender comes back 0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:10.440 and goes, you know, our resident dealer actually wants to 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:15.120 talk to you, like they're such bad criminals. 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.560 He talked to you immediately, and you look like you're 0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.680 in the market, Like it's really funny. 0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:22.000 So they go to the bathroom. The guy obviously pushes 0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:23.880 them against the wall. You're trying to sell shit on 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:25.719 my turf? What the fuck? He goes. Who the hell 0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:28.879 are you? He goes, I'm a guy who's spot you're 0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:31.799 parked in, and I don't like competition, and I'm on 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:34.000 the dealer's side for sure on this one, like you 0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:36.480 can't just be like throwing your bag of coke anywhere 0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:39.879 you want. And the guys Stabler is acting as is insane. 0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:44.279 Sailor's aloof like what what what's going on here? He's 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:46.799 like the bartender said you were interested. I don't have 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:50.120 a problem, dude, and then they become friends. Immediately they 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:53.000 talk cocaine business. They talk numbers, three hund grams every 0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:56.040 two weeks. The guy's impressed. He goes, I think mine's better. 0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:59.000 So they decide to meet at the seaport entrance at 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:01.279 eight pm. They want to meet and the guy goes, 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:03.319 bring your money. So now we're down there and there's 0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:06.960 another guy who spins him and says shut up, frisks him. 0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:09.480 Stablor goes, nice to meet you too, and the new 0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:14.160 man is like, you got the money, and Stablah goes, wow, Wow, Wow, Bethany, Wow, 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:17.839 you don't support other women. So that happens, and then 0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:20.400 you want to show me the product and he rubs 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.280 it in his hands and he says it's a little 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:24.799 better than mine and I didn't know, like rubbing in 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:29.440 the hands like tests the coke. So then more drug 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.600 business talk. They try to make him test it. He goes, 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:33.600 fuck you, I get randomly drug tested at work. I 0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:36.160 can't do it. So they start making a deal. So 0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:39.439 the first deal doesn't work for him, but the guy 0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:41.920 takes a gun out and arrests him. He has a 0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:45.600 gold shield, so we found the dirty cop immediately, Like 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:49.000 these guys are so bad at crime. So then Stabler goes, 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:50.520 are you gonna read me my rights? He goes, you 0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:53.560 don't have any rights, So they all and so then 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:57.160 everyone's on the screens, you know, watching, So them beat 0:52:57.160 --> 0:52:59.759 the crap out of Stabler and then they go to 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:02.279 the another location, and you know, he wants to prove 0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:04.319 he's the alpha. So they're beating the shit out of 0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:06.960 Stabler and he's like, wait, I hope you didn't bring 0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:09.440 me here to just to kick my ass, and he 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:12.680 starts reading fake facts like from his oh he looked 0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:17.400 him up. So Gregory Elliott married four kids Forrest Hills House. 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:21.680 You still have that gambling problem, greg and Saber goes, okay, 0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:23.759 all right, a little side project for you. What are 0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:27.160 you doing? And he keeps going station operations for Global 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:30.600 Package Express? What the fuck does that mean? And Gregory goes, 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.319 I run worldwide shipping stations. I don't know, and so 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:36.960 obviously it's a lot of travel, and that's exactly what 0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:40.000 they're looking for a solution. So they try to rope 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:43.680 him in with his like packaging job. Elliott goes, no, no, no, no, 0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:47.040 I sell small quantities for fun. And he's like, I 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:49.560 do this for an old friend. I'm chill. But the 0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:51.719 cop says, oh, babe, I have you with enough that 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:54.480 can put you away for life with a felony. They 0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:57.680 unhook him. They say you have told tomorrow to decide 0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:00.480 life in prison or be a drug bule. And then 0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:03.120 the cop says, call me Kendall and one more thing, 0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:06.080 punches him in the face for his attitude. So they 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:08.640 drive off tires squealing, and now we're back at work. 0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:10.840 So this Kendall guy, he's been on the job for 0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:13.160 thirteen years and nine of those years he was in 0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:16.719 Manhattan narcotics. He has lots of decorations, so at one 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:19.040 point he was a good cop. And Benson's like, yeah, 0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:20.920 I'm sure he just watched all these drug people get 0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:24.440 rich while he was a loser and decided he wanted 0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:26.840 a little taste. So Finn's like, damn, I should have 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:29.160 done that. I would have been so rich, And Benson 0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:32.319 adds he matches the description that Mama Feiffer gave of 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:34.640 the cop who came looking for the formula. It was 0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:37.040 also the first time that the door guys saw Kendall, 0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:40.120 which means the exchange probably happened at the bar. But 0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:43.600 then Stabler asks, well, who was the butt boy, you 0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:45.759 know what I mean? And the butt boy is the 0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.400 dealer at the bar. So that's Frank Berry, thirty in 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:51.799 and out of jail, mostly for possession. They're soldiers, they're 0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:54.879 not had people like he wouldn't know more information. He's 0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:58.279 like a loser. So but we don't know how big 0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:02.000 this is. And there's obviously more runners than just like 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:04.680 this dead guy Peiffer. These guys aren't in charge. They 0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.640 need to get new drugs and people like quick, you 0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:09.839 know what I mean? Because all these customers are gonna 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:12.960 find new cocaine dealers. It's an addiction. So then Stabler 0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:15.640 goes to meet Kendall at a restaurant. So we're at 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.560 this restaurant and Kendall's like, why are we here? Stabler goes, 0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:20.800 this is where I do business, and he's like, I 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.200 don't remember us talking about money while you were kicking 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:25.200 my ass, So let's get down to business. He goes, oh, 0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:27.759 I'm letting you stay out of jail. That should be 0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:31.200 enough nothing to talk about. Stabler is like, okay, what's 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:33.040 stopping me from going to the cops and telling them 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:35.840 that they're shaking me down? He goes, I'm a hero cop, 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:37.600 and he goes, who do you think they're gonna believe? 0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:40.200 And Stabler's character is like, you must think I'm some 0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:42.719 dumb ass punk. Huh. You know what? I think you're 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:45.680 trying to stay in business. And then Kendall smiles and 0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:48.520 he says, you got a crystal ball. He's like, no, 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:52.160 but you sure are acting desperate. Your blackmailing meat to 0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:56.440 work for you desperado, and he goes, okay, hero cop, 0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.319 lock me up. And then they sit in silence and 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:01.480 Kendall knows you he's been gotten, you know what I mean. 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:05.040 Gregory Elliott wants a third of the profits and for 0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:06.800 whatever he ships, and he also wants to know the 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.400 scoop of what went wrong, and Kendall goes, no, I 0:56:09.400 --> 0:56:12.000 don't share that kind of stuff, and then Stabler goes, well, 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:15.800 I don't do business with liars and screw ups, and yeah, 0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:17.960 I just love this, and then Kendall goes, I'll take 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:20.880 you to my people, and Sablor bullies him your people, 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:24.120 what you can't make your own deal? I guess you're 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:26.680 a fucking loser. Doesn't sound like you're that high up 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:29.360 the food chain, and he throws cash on the table 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:33.319 and says, try the veal. It's great. Ah, I love it. 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:37.280 And then Stabler back at work with his dress shirt's 0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:39.239 a little loosen. I think he knows he did like 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.520 a good job at work. And basically what they want 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:45.600 from Stabler or from Gregory Elliott, is to bring in 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:48.680 ten boxes of terra cotta tiles and the tiles are 0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:51.120 going to be made out of a cocaine base, four 0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:54.880 kilos of boxes, and each one is worth eighty k. 0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.680 And then the cover story is he's retiling the kitchen 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.040 and all of this is gonna come from Mexico City. 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.759 Cabin and Craigan are like, wait, fuck, that's out of 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:07.160 our jurisdiction and our league. You have to tell Kendall 0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:09.640 you can't do that, and someone in Mexico City can 0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:11.840 do the drop and then like you will pick it 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:15.520 up at your Forest Hills house. So then the delivery 0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:17.560 company can drive it off and then Kendall can like 0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:19.920 come pick up the tiles from you. Craigan's gonna get 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:22.640 Da Involved two for the operation and make everything like 0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:24.960 to make sure everything goes okay in Mexico and at 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:28.680 the house. So but the cabot's kind of nervous and says, well, 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:31.760 Kendall could be working with Dea as well, and Craigan goes, well, 0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.200 it's a chance we'll have to make. So now we're 0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:37.840 at a giant nice house and all the boxes are here. 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.160 Kendall's get ready to get the tiles. They rip open 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:44.480 the box. Yes, yes, tiles are made of cocaine. Kendall goes, damn, 0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:45.960 this is the most we've been able to bring in 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:49.640 at once in a really long time. Stabler goes, hell, yeah, 0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:54.240 happy customer. That'll be two hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars, 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:56.800 and then Kendall has a gym bag of cash. But 0:57:56.840 --> 0:58:00.320 then Benson comes out, honey, are those the tile And 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:03.920 it's like, okay, she was also at the bar, like 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:08.600 everything is moving so fast, so fast. Stabler goes, no, honey, 0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:12.720 there's a mistake. We're gonna exchange them, and then he goes, 0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:15.520 ours are in the van, but Benson runs down anyways 0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:17.760 and goes, baby, you got a shower. We have to 0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:20.960 be at Vanessa and Glens in two hours. And then 0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:23.480 the shipping van starts driving back up to the house 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:26.400 and Kendall looks panicked, and Kendall takes out his gun 0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:28.960 and yells get everyone back back back and then runs 0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:33.200 off into the yard. Stabler runs after him, screams, police, Kendall, freeze, freeze, 0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:35.680 drop the gun, drop your gun. He decides to do 0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.880 suicide by cops. Stabler has to shoot him. He says, 0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:41.560 call a bus and he shook. He goes, that's son 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:44.240 of a bitch wanted me to shoot him. Craigan says 0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:46.360 he didn't have the guts to do it himself, which 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:49.040 is weird. It's weird, like, yeah, and I don't love it, 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:51.920 and Stabler's that I don't think it takes guts to 0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:55.520 do that, and uh, you know season four. So Stabler's 0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:59.040 like really bothered by what happens and confused, and tears 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:01.760 are forming in his eye and obviously this this is 0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:04.720 gonna lead to an IAB meeting. Tucker is being surly 0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:08.640 as usual and suspicious, like Kendall didn't even fire your weapon. 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:12.080 You did, And it's like Kendall's been selling cocaine for 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:16.280 nine years. Yeah, why do you suddenly trust him more 0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:19.560 than Stabler, well, who also breaks the rules. Never mind, 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:22.360 Saber's like I told you before millions of times, over 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:24.240 and over. He picked up his gun and pointed it 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:26.080 at me. I think I forgot to say. They're doing 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:29.080 like an you know, the private Private Talks, Private Talks 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:34.200 investigation discussion. Tucker doesn't care. He's on modified duty, restricted 0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:37.800 to the office until the investigation's complete aka end of 0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:40.720 the episode, so he's not allowed to make arrests or 0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:43.840 interrogate anybody, and he's pissed to be at the priest sink. 0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:46.400 He goes, this motherfucker makes me shoot him and I 0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:49.880 get investigated. Fuck you. Benson goes I don't know, Maybe 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:52.959 you should take a few vacation days. He says, no, 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:56.160 not until I find out who bankrolled Kendall. He killed 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:58.520 the only lead we have, and Finn and Craigan are 0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:02.000 at the whiteboard and Kendall killed Fifer choked his ass out, 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:05.640 and now we find out that there was Dandriff left 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:09.800 on the body, and that Dandriff matches Kendall. 1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:12.640 So that's like, I didn't know that was a thing 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:14.600 that you could identify Dandriff. 1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:18.600 But I guess it's skin cells. Yeah, it's like it's 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:20.680 the hair, it's all of it. But like, yeah, you 1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:24.360 always should their evidence, You always leave evidence behind. Yeah, 1:00:24.360 --> 1:00:28.439 I got some should be humiliated like this after get 1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:32.520 like you're dead, you've been your disgraced cop and now 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:37.240 I know you have dandruff busted by Dandriff. Oh humiliating. 1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:40.520 So yeah, make sure your scalp is nice and not 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:44.040 flaky if you're planning to commit some murders. So now 1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:46.479 they're brainstorming altogether. How do we get to the top. 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:48.600 Guy Munch hangs up the phone and goes, well, maybe 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:51.560 the woman Fifer might have some answers. We found the 1:00:51.600 --> 1:00:54.840 bag of formula in her kitchen and if Derek's bringing 1:00:54.880 --> 1:00:59.360 it in but like customs, YadA YadA trips to Mexico. 1:00:59.640 --> 1:01:02.720 She also traveled with him the last three weeks, and 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:06.760 she made five round trips, all different flights than her husband. 1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:11.320 So duh, the mom is smuggling the cans. Traveling with 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:14.280 the babies. A few extra canisters of baby formula doesn't 1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:17.600 set anybody off. And Benson's like, duh, that's why she 1:01:17.680 --> 1:01:22.280 denied protective custody. She's the mule, not Derek. Damn. 1:01:22.680 --> 1:01:26.000 But meanwhile, I'm getting every single bottle of my breast 1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:28.480 milk now swabbed at the airport. 1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:29.040 Because of shit like this. 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:32.400 You know, they're not letting you through with the formula 1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:33.200 cans anymore. 1:01:34.040 --> 1:01:35.920 Oh, I thought it was just nine to eleven stuff. 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:38.160 Is it because of drug deals? 1:01:38.680 --> 1:01:40.640 I think it's because I think they used to probably, 1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:42.720 I mean this is post nine to eleven. I think 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:47.800 they were like letting people through like that were moms 1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.320 and stuff. I don't think they were that, but like, uh, 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:52.920 I don't know, I don't know. I just know that 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:55.800 like they will open up your breast milk and like 1:01:55.920 --> 1:01:58.240 test every single fucking thing that you have and it's 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:01.240 really annoying when you like a baby with you too, 1:02:01.360 --> 1:02:03.919 But I'll get into that more later too. 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:07.800 But we know Derek is involved too, so we got 1:02:07.800 --> 1:02:09.440 to go talk to his boss again, like what the 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:11.640 fuck is going on? So they go talk to Keith 1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:17.360 your Art aka Roy Boyland, and Craigan wants to come 1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:19.720 with and stayble to stay because Stable has to stay 1:02:19.720 --> 1:02:21.959 in the office, So Benson and Craigan head on down. 1:02:22.240 --> 1:02:24.040 He's sticking to the story that he was working with 1:02:24.080 --> 1:02:27.560 a billionaire entrepreneur who's afraid to fly. But Benson's like, wait, 1:02:27.600 --> 1:02:29.840 it wasn't Derek a demoted loser? Why would you trust 1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:32.520 him with your billionaire clients? And so it's like a 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:34.840 walk and talk. He tells his assistant to fact something 1:02:34.880 --> 1:02:38.720 to Chicago Pampa Pranpa. He's being dismissive of the detectives. 1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:40.800 He's annoyed, and he's hitting the space bar of his 1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:43.280 desktop a lot, and then he finally is like, what 1:02:43.320 --> 1:02:45.320 does this have to do with Derek's death? And they go, well, 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:48.720 he's smuggling coke on your dime and he shocked. He goes, 1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:51.520 are you kidding me? They go yeah, with his wife 1:02:51.560 --> 1:02:54.880 and son and he giggles, and I knew this couldn't 1:02:54.880 --> 1:02:57.439 be true. It's not Derek because Derek and Laura don't 1:02:57.440 --> 1:03:01.200 have any children, so who the fuck ism they rented 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:04.520 some kid out for drug muling, Like this is wild. 1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:07.160 Cregan's like, there's no way that this is the only baby. 1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:09.760 I bet there's a ring of mothers, a ring of babies. Like, 1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:11.800 we need to go talk to Laura, who's staying at 1:03:11.840 --> 1:03:14.600 her sister's house to get some information off of Staten Island. 1:03:14.840 --> 1:03:16.439 So they go over there. They go to the house. 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:18.960 They hear a baby crying and crying. Nobody's helping the baby, 1:03:19.000 --> 1:03:21.320 no one's answering the door, and then they also see 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:23.480 broken glass in a window, so they're like, we have 1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:25.680 to go in there. That's cause to enter. When they 1:03:25.800 --> 1:03:28.120 entswer Benson picks up the baby. The baby stops crying 1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:31.520 immediately as she comforts him. She's like, wait are you Maricha? 1:03:32.120 --> 1:03:36.040 And so then Laura and the sister are dead shot 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:39.120 in the head, left the baby to cry. So I'm 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:42.440 glad the baby. So many fucking twists. This is truly 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:46.680 like an HBO like premiere drama in the tooth, like 1:03:46.840 --> 1:03:49.680 late two thousand like, this is so much. This is Homeland, 1:03:49.960 --> 1:03:55.080 this is Homeland, this is so good Prestige, So this 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:58.840 prestige television, so many twists and terms. Everyone's dead. I'm 1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:01.680 happy the baby's alive, but very Dexter coded. This baby's 1:04:01.680 --> 1:04:05.320 obviously gonna have trauma. And then I was watching the 1:04:05.360 --> 1:04:07.800 newest Dexter series that I hated but on the in 1:04:07.840 --> 1:04:10.280 the air and I liked it in the skies, so 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:14.600 I'm I, ah, everything's different. Yeah, So the time of 1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:17.000 death is four to eight hours ago, so it couldn't 1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:19.640 have been Kendall because we were talking to him. So 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:22.160 who is tying up loose ends? Is it the cartel? 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:24.080 And Finn goes, no, fuck no, the cartel would have 1:04:24.160 --> 1:04:27.280 killed the baby, Like are you kidding them? Bunsen runs 1:04:27.280 --> 1:04:30.760 out with the news that Tommy was Laura's nephew. So 1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:32.960 then we give stablers something to do. While he's in 1:04:32.960 --> 1:04:36.080 the office, he's gonna search murderers that like happening that 1:04:36.160 --> 1:04:38.560 are involving infants, because maybe it's like all these moms 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:42.040 are getting killed right now with the babies being kept alive, 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:44.439 So are there murders happening right now that are tying 1:04:44.520 --> 1:04:47.240 up the loose ends that with infants. So now they're 1:04:47.240 --> 1:04:50.240 all on the calls. They're calling everyone, and we hear 1:04:51.320 --> 1:04:54.200 Finn on a call go, yeah, I'm serious. No, I'm 1:04:54.200 --> 1:05:00.000 not being difficult, yes, with a baby. But it's also 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:02.160 like not that crazy of a request. It's like svu, 1:05:02.200 --> 1:05:04.800 what are we talking about? Why? But then uh, and 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:07.760 then Finn has attitude about this too. He goes, totuola, 1:05:07.920 --> 1:05:11.000 you want me to spell it for you? Yeah? Yeah, 1:05:11.000 --> 1:05:13.920 that's not a common name. That too? Oh you, Like, 1:05:13.920 --> 1:05:16.360 what the fuck are you talking about? Finn? He's acting 1:05:16.400 --> 1:05:19.120 like tootuola it is smith, like we should all to 1:05:19.160 --> 1:05:22.640 spell it. Staylor's yelling at everyone because he's a menace. 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:25.000 He wants his gun back. And then Kathy's wildly there. 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:27.640 She's bringing him dinner, trying to calm him down, begging 1:05:27.680 --> 1:05:30.720 him to eat. It's after midnight. Who's with the kids? 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:32.560 Who's with the kids. 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:37.200 So I have some I sort of have a theory 1:05:37.400 --> 1:05:42.040 that like the older teens are watching oh yeah yeah, 1:05:42.200 --> 1:05:45.720 or that like Kathy has siblings or in the area 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:46.560 that are helping. 1:05:47.040 --> 1:05:50.960 Yeah. Yeah, he couldn't get his own sandwich. This is 1:05:51.080 --> 1:05:52.960 not this is nuts. So he kisses her with his 1:05:53.040 --> 1:05:56.360 eyes wide open while looking at the pushpin board, like 1:05:56.480 --> 1:05:58.880 he won't even close his eyes for a kiss. He's 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:02.560 like still looking at the evidence. Cragan runs out of 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:05.760 his office goes, Olivia, grab your coat. Another one in Queen's. 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:09.360 One body found in water. Stabler's devastated to be missing out. 1:06:10.000 --> 1:06:13.160 So we go to Queen's homicide. Two victims dead, an 1:06:13.200 --> 1:06:15.800 eight month old babies screaming in another room. So they're 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:17.920 letting the babies live, thank god, but they're killing all 1:06:17.960 --> 1:06:20.880 the caretakers. But in Staten Island it was a break 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:23.000 in and all the rest of them, it's no sign 1:06:23.000 --> 1:06:25.680 of force entry, so like the victims knew who they 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:28.800 led into the home. So then Benson finds an invoice 1:06:28.840 --> 1:06:31.840 to Keith Gerard, the finance boss, and it's said that 1:06:31.880 --> 1:06:35.520 the victim did landscaping for him. That's no coincidence. This 1:06:35.640 --> 1:06:39.000 motherfucker is the top dog, the finance stockbroker is the 1:06:39.040 --> 1:06:42.040 top dog. He's dealing drugs from the brokerage firm. He's 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:44.640 renting babies from people who work for him that need 1:06:44.640 --> 1:06:47.000 the money, like a landscaper. And now he has to 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:49.320 kill all of these people that are just working hard 1:06:49.680 --> 1:06:52.200 and leaving these babies with no parents. So we rushed 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:54.680 back to the office. The secretary goes, oh, he's at 1:06:54.720 --> 1:06:57.760 the corporate daycare center. Oh my god. Benson hook swaying. 1:06:58.640 --> 1:07:01.040 Benson and Craigan run to the care but not before 1:07:01.040 --> 1:07:03.360 it's telling the secretary like, if this motherfucker calls, do 1:07:03.520 --> 1:07:06.200 not tell him we're here. She's confused, but she doesn't. 1:07:06.240 --> 1:07:08.360 I bet she doesn't get paid enough to care. So 1:07:08.800 --> 1:07:11.680 or it's a bustling kids center, parents and kids everywhere 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:14.439 they spot Keith. He spots them. He grabs a woman, 1:07:14.520 --> 1:07:17.280 puts a guns to her head. Immediately all guns are out. 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:20.080 We're doing like a hallway. You know, he's walking with 1:07:20.120 --> 1:07:22.320 this woman with a gun to the head. Craigan and 1:07:22.360 --> 1:07:25.000 Benson are like, don't do it, don't do it. And 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:27.920 then Craigan and Benson see Finn, who's behind him. So 1:07:28.000 --> 1:07:31.200 Finn is like sneaking in another like in another hallway 1:07:31.280 --> 1:07:35.080 stairway behind So then scream Keith is like, you think 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:37.920 I'm a fucking idiot, And Benson and Craigan, knowing Finn's there, 1:07:38.000 --> 1:07:40.560 go fine, will lower a fucking weapons, so they and 1:07:40.600 --> 1:07:43.720 so then that makes Keith trusts them. He lets go 1:07:43.760 --> 1:07:46.040 of the woman, throws her and starts to run away, 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:47.880 but Finn is there to push him down the stairs, 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:51.200 so he goes toppling down the stairs. I thought the 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:53.280 woman he threw looked familiar, but when I looked her up, 1:07:53.320 --> 1:07:55.280 she only had one credit and the credit is woman 1:07:55.320 --> 1:08:01.000 in SVU, So I was wrong. So he's on the ground. 1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:03.760 Fincuffs him. Keith is like, I can make you guys rich. 1:08:03.840 --> 1:08:06.480 Benson goes, why don't you use that money for a 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:09.600 fancy lawyer. You're gonna need it to appeal the death penalty. 1:08:10.040 --> 1:08:11.480 And then to me, I'm like, why not just do 1:08:11.560 --> 1:08:13.720 the drugs? Why the murder? Just go to Brazil, Like 1:08:14.200 --> 1:08:16.120 you could have already been on a flight leaving the 1:08:16.120 --> 1:08:18.879 country and never be seen again. Like, I'm really confused 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:21.320 why you had to, Like, who cares about the loose ends. 1:08:21.320 --> 1:08:22.840 You're the top dog. Get the fuck out of the country. 1:08:22.880 --> 1:08:24.240 I'm sure you could afford a private jet. 1:08:24.720 --> 1:08:26.880 Yeah, I think guys like this, just think if I 1:08:27.040 --> 1:08:28.840 just clean it up and get rid of the people involved, 1:08:28.880 --> 1:08:30.680 I can keep living my life and go my merry way. 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:32.680 The cops won't have a case. Yeah, I'm sure he's 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:34.479 murdered before, Like, murder is not even that yeah, ye 1:08:34.520 --> 1:08:36.760 oh yeah. Like he's like, whatever, sa, I'll murder a 1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:39.160 few moms, yeah yeah, yeah, out of my way. So 1:08:39.280 --> 1:08:42.320 Craigan puts Stabler's gun and badge onto his desk. The 1:08:42.400 --> 1:08:44.880 DA office isn't dragging him in front of a grand jury, 1:08:44.920 --> 1:08:48.880 and iab cleared him in two days. Stabler's shocked how 1:08:48.920 --> 1:08:51.519 soon this happened, and Craigan's like, yeah, they're trying to 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:54.120 spare their own embarrassment, but Sailor isn't buying it. He goes, 1:08:54.160 --> 1:08:57.519 what did this cost you? And Craigan goes, not nearly 1:08:57.560 --> 1:08:59.880 what it's worth. I don't know is that good or 1:09:00.160 --> 1:09:01.720 I don't know if that means not. I don't know 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:04.519 what else I don't know. They stare into each other's 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:07.280 eyes deeply. Benson walks in. They all got they got 1:09:07.320 --> 1:09:10.360 all the ten mothers, and I wonder what the charges 1:09:10.400 --> 1:09:13.200 are gonna be. But Girard gave them twenty grand to 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:17.320 rent the babies, and Benson asks, hey, are you gonna 1:09:17.360 --> 1:09:20.280 Are they making you see a shrink? He says yes. 1:09:20.760 --> 1:09:23.680 She asks you've been there? Not yet? He responds, and 1:09:23.720 --> 1:09:25.559 she's like I thought I was okay when I shot 1:09:25.600 --> 1:09:28.080 that guy too, But even a low lifelike Kendall is 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:30.760 gonna stay with you. Stabler cuts her off, goes, I 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:32.800 need to go home, and you know, thanks her for 1:09:32.880 --> 1:09:35.320 her kind words. And then Benson goes, how long has 1:09:35.360 --> 1:09:37.799 that sandwich been there? And he goes, I got busy. 1:09:37.840 --> 1:09:41.599 It's all yours. So she's gonna eat Stabler's leftover sandwich. 1:09:42.320 --> 1:09:44.839 But I'm sure Kathy makes a mean, a mean sandwich, 1:09:44.920 --> 1:09:48.960 and she asks you sleeping? He says yeah, but then 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:52.559 he turns his back before exiting and asked, seeing the shrink, 1:09:53.080 --> 1:09:56.200 did that help? And she goes not much, and they 1:09:56.200 --> 1:09:58.640 stare at each other. He goes home. I guess she 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:03.120 eats the sandwich. That's a dickwolf baby, A true a 1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:05.680 true classic. I mean, just. 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:10.519 So many fucking twists and turns. There's a bunch of 1:10:10.560 --> 1:10:13.080 places where they could have just ended it now. 1:10:13.479 --> 1:10:16.559 It's an incredible episode from start to finish, so many babies, 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:19.479 so much twists, like I was surprised the whole time, 1:10:19.640 --> 1:10:21.679 Like I fucking love this episode. It's really good. 1:10:22.000 --> 1:10:26.840 Yeah, okay, well let's get into the true crimes. Because 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:38.000 they borrowed a lot from real life, obviously. The very 1:10:38.080 --> 1:10:41.160 first portion of the episode is based on the overdose 1:10:41.200 --> 1:10:44.280 of Chantelle Lisby. She was an eleven month old girl 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:47.200 who was living in foster care with her siblings, a 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:49.720 brother aged two and a sister aged five. They'd been 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:52.040 abused by their parents, so in September of ninety nine, 1:10:52.320 --> 1:10:55.120 they replaced with a twenty six year old foster mother 1:10:55.200 --> 1:10:59.400 named Letitia Jefferson, who had her own daughter eleven and 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:03.360 son four. I just think twenty six seems really young 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:05.680 to have five kids under your care. But I know 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:08.759 it's not a perfect system, but that seems like quite 1:11:08.760 --> 1:11:11.800 a young person to be taking all that on. On 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:15.320 June first of two thousand, Jefferson took Chantelle to Woodhull 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:18.200 Medical and Mental Health Center in Brooklyn because she was 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:22.440 having seizures and was unconscious, and much like the episode, 1:11:22.680 --> 1:11:25.799 she tested positive for cocaine in her system, and sadly, 1:11:25.880 --> 1:11:29.200 she died shortly after being admitted to the hospital, and 1:11:29.360 --> 1:11:33.240 later an autopsy confirmed that cocaine was the cause of death. 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:36.800 So immediately her siblings were returned to ACS custody. Her 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:39.040 biological children were removed from the home in place with 1:11:39.080 --> 1:11:42.400 a family member. She had no criminal record, but her boyfriend, 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:45.120 who frequently stayed in the home, who was twenty one, 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:50.240 had a bunch of drug arrests. ACS and NYPD investigated 1:11:50.240 --> 1:11:53.120 whether the ingestion of the cocaine was accidental or intentional. 1:11:53.520 --> 1:11:56.639 And the saddest part is, I cannot find another thing 1:11:56.680 --> 1:12:00.200 about it. There's a few New York posts, like, you know, 1:12:00.479 --> 1:12:03.439 like New York Times article is about, like, you know, 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:06.840 baby found with cocaine. But then, sadly, I think because 1:12:06.880 --> 1:12:10.160 it's a black child, it's not front page news at anymore, 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:15.200 and they just I have no idea if they got 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:18.360 like all we got was like there was some coverage 1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:21.719 after the autopsy confirmed it was cocaine was the cause 1:12:21.760 --> 1:12:22.160 of death. 1:12:22.400 --> 1:12:24.879 So yeah, I think it's so it's fucked. I looked everywhere. 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:26.960 I was looking up the mom's name, I was looking 1:12:27.040 --> 1:12:28.720 up the baby's name, I was looking up everything. I 1:12:28.720 --> 1:12:33.240 could not find whether this was dude to any kind 1:12:33.320 --> 1:12:37.360 of you know, intentional like that. The baby, I mean, 1:12:37.400 --> 1:12:39.880 this kid was eleven months old, so possibly walking she 1:12:39.920 --> 1:12:42.679 could have gotten into some cocaine. I seriously doubt anybody 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:44.280 would just give a baby cocaine for shit. 1:12:44.320 --> 1:12:48.639 But I'm also shocked that her boyfriend had drug arrests 1:12:48.720 --> 1:12:50.559 and she was still able to say and she was 1:12:50.640 --> 1:12:54.760 cleared to be a foster parent. Yeah. Yeah, they might 1:12:54.760 --> 1:12:56.280 not have known. He might not have existed when she 1:12:56.360 --> 1:12:56.839 was cleared. 1:12:56.880 --> 1:13:01.400 I don't know, but yeah, so I think they grabbed 1:13:01.479 --> 1:13:04.360 the overdose of the baby from here, but then the 1:13:04.400 --> 1:13:08.000 full drug smuggling ring with the babies is all real. 1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:12.360 In December of two thousand and one, FEDS charged thirty 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:15.439 five people with running an international drug smuggling ring where 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:19.439 women traveling with infants transported cocaine and heroin in cans 1:13:19.439 --> 1:13:22.639 of baby formula. So this is what two years before 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:27.000 this episode came out, like, this episode was like three Yeah, 1:13:27.400 --> 1:13:32.000 so some of the infants were like in the episode, 1:13:32.200 --> 1:13:36.000 not the women's children. They were rented from low income families. 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:38.240 And I use the word rented in quotes because you 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:43.479 don't rent a child over two years. This investigation covers 1:13:43.520 --> 1:13:47.120 two years of female couriers flying thirty four times with 1:13:47.240 --> 1:13:51.920 twenty different babies from Chicago to Panama. So basically they 1:13:51.920 --> 1:13:55.800 would fly down there, pick up the formula, then that 1:13:55.920 --> 1:13:59.559 was injected with liquefied cocaine, and then fly back. Others 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:03.280 smug cocaine from Jamaica inside of rum bottles, the handles 1:14:03.320 --> 1:14:07.120 of their suitcases, or sometimes it like put into their 1:14:07.160 --> 1:14:09.439 body cavities. It says like, I don't know if that's 1:14:09.720 --> 1:14:12.719 condoms or what or whatever we're talking about. But drugs 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:15.280 were then circulated in Chicago and New York, but then 1:14:15.360 --> 1:14:18.720 also some abroad in like UK, like London and other 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:21.920 parts of England. So some of the babies came from 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:25.880 Englewood on Chicago's South Side of Chicago. Their parents were 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:31.080 paid between two hundred to two thousand dollars plus marijuana 1:14:31.120 --> 1:14:34.680 in some cases, to send their babies on trips that 1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:37.120 ranged from two days to two weeks. 1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:39.559 What's you what's your what's your price? Skara? What are 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:45.200 you gonna write out little Oscar for? Honestly, you guys 1:14:45.240 --> 1:14:47.559 don't want Oscar. He's gonna tattle, he's gonna tell, he 1:14:47.600 --> 1:14:50.479 will not stop monologuing, and he's gonna tell, Oh my god, 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:53.840 today we drove faster apartment building and Oscar goes, why 1:14:53.840 --> 1:14:55.479 does Lisa not live there anymore? 1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:57.439 And I was like, she moved to New York And 1:14:57.479 --> 1:14:59.360 he was like why. I was like, because she wants 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:01.679 to live there? Who was your building? 1:15:01.720 --> 1:15:02.120 Is still there? 1:15:02.320 --> 1:15:07.040 Your building to them? But the daughter of Keith Moore 1:15:07.120 --> 1:15:11.040 thirty five and Marissa Hardy twenty two. Their daughter made 1:15:11.160 --> 1:15:14.840 six trips, the first one when she was three weeks old. 1:15:15.240 --> 1:15:18.240 Like this is dangerous, Like these babies are not vaccinated 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:21.240 at that point, Like they're so little, they're so susceptible 1:15:21.280 --> 1:15:22.240 to like getting sick. 1:15:22.280 --> 1:15:23.920 It's like really bad. 1:15:24.760 --> 1:15:28.800 A courier was arrested with more and Hardy's baby in 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:33.080 London and where they also found six kilos of cocaine 1:15:33.120 --> 1:15:37.120 in eighteen formula cans. Obviously, the parents lost custody were 1:15:37.200 --> 1:15:40.360 charged with renting their children. They didn't end up murdered 1:15:40.400 --> 1:15:43.280 by like the cartel or whatever. But the whole operation 1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:45.960 was uncovered when a customs official at Newark Airport stopped 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:48.599 a woman in January of ninety nine. She was traveling 1:15:48.680 --> 1:15:51.040 to London and they found six formula cans filled with 1:15:51.080 --> 1:15:54.479 liquid cocaine. Now, the people who supplied the drugs were 1:15:54.479 --> 1:15:58.640 apparently named Classy or Clay Clacy. I don't know how 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:03.320 you say that name Clacy Watson Herrera and Byron Watson 1:16:03.360 --> 1:16:05.400 of Montego Bay, Jamaica I had no idea this was 1:16:05.439 --> 1:16:07.360 all coming out of Jamaica. This is very not iri 1:16:07.520 --> 1:16:10.800 if you've been to Jamaica. They supplied the drugs. They 1:16:10.800 --> 1:16:13.759 would liquefy the cocaine in a blender with hot water, 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:16.160 then use a syringe to put the coke into the 1:16:16.160 --> 1:16:19.120 formula cans through these like tiny holes that they would drill, 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:21.600 and then they would close the whole like solder it 1:16:21.680 --> 1:16:24.240 closed and reattach the formula labels. 1:16:24.320 --> 1:16:25.240 So that's how they did it. 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:29.040 Each sixteen ounce can held up to seven hundred thousand 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:32.400 dollars worth of cocaine, which was later turned into crack 1:16:32.720 --> 1:16:36.479 for sale on the streets. Authorities seized twenty kilos of 1:16:36.479 --> 1:16:39.160 cocaine on four trips, and they believe as many as 1:16:39.200 --> 1:16:42.920 forty five trips were made. The suspects all faced five 1:16:43.000 --> 1:16:45.200 years to life and finds it up to four million 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:49.600 and Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who was the US Attorney for 1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:53.000 the Northern District of Illinois, said this operation preyed on 1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:55.680 the great respect that we as human beings afford all 1:16:55.760 --> 1:16:59.960 mothers and babies and betrayed that respect brazenly renting baby 1:17:00.200 --> 1:17:02.880 for the purpose of allowing drug dealers to smuggle cocaine 1:17:03.000 --> 1:17:06.880 is truly a new low and that's that on that, 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:10.080 But then the kendle of it all is based on 1:17:10.120 --> 1:17:14.320 a very interesting case, the Michael Dowd case. Now this 1:17:14.439 --> 1:17:17.559 is felt like kind of like fascinating how this all 1:17:17.600 --> 1:17:22.240 ties into the SVU universe at large. Michael Dowd was 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:24.400 born and raised New Yorker who became a cop in 1:17:24.520 --> 1:17:27.679 nineteen eighty two and eventually worked in the seventy fifth 1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:30.160 Precinct in East New York, which is a part of 1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:33.960 Brooklyn that was very rough in the eighties and nineties. 1:17:34.360 --> 1:17:38.360 So the guy drove this guy, Dowd drove a red 1:17:38.400 --> 1:17:40.960 Corvette to work and occasionally had a limo pick him 1:17:41.040 --> 1:17:41.840 up from work so he could go. 1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:42.719 To Atlanta City. 1:17:43.280 --> 1:17:45.960 Okay, So I mean, if you're do whatever you're doing, 1:17:46.360 --> 1:17:48.880 you're trying to get noticed or you're dumb. And that 1:17:49.000 --> 1:17:51.439 is because from nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety two, 1:17:51.800 --> 1:17:55.680 Dowd and his partner Kenneth Kenny Murrel were part of 1:17:55.720 --> 1:17:59.280 a corrupt gang of officers inside his precinct who robed 1:17:59.360 --> 1:18:01.640 drug dealer and then dealt cocaine. 1:18:01.800 --> 1:18:03.040 They would warn. 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:05.960 Dealers about raids, they would give the dealers guns and badges. 1:18:06.000 --> 1:18:09.200 They even stole food from a church one time that 1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:10.800 was for needy people, so. 1:18:12.320 --> 1:18:13.559 You know, the worst of the worst. 1:18:14.000 --> 1:18:19.720 There was also an alleged abduction of a queenswoman that 1:18:19.800 --> 1:18:23.800 happened as well, and apparently Dowd and Urrell they were 1:18:23.800 --> 1:18:26.160 working with a cartel. They were working with several drug 1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:29.920 dealers and some cartels who wanted to kill this woman 1:18:30.400 --> 1:18:33.040 after her husband stole two hundred thousand dollars of coke 1:18:33.120 --> 1:18:38.280 from them. So unfortunately for Dowd, his partner Kenny Murrel 1:18:39.520 --> 1:18:42.759 had already turned on him and was working for the FEDS, 1:18:42.960 --> 1:18:45.280 so he was wearing a wire every time they met 1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:49.400 to talk about this kidnapping. So when the kidnapping was planned, 1:18:50.080 --> 1:18:53.360 the FEDS were able to swoop in and rescue that woman, 1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:57.240 so she was never kidnapped. But that that's only because 1:18:57.760 --> 1:19:01.120 the partner had already turned and was like an informant. 1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:04.719 So now Dowd was also an enforcer for the Diaz Organization, 1:19:04.760 --> 1:19:08.120 which was a Dominican cartel. He gave them protection and 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:11.840 inside information. At one point he found a guy who had. 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:15.759 I understand if like, you're very desperate and you need stuff, 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:17.439 and you go to the cartel because you have nothing 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:20.400 and you need like truly, But if you're not doing 1:19:20.400 --> 1:19:23.479 that bad, they don't have a great reputation. They're not 1:19:23.600 --> 1:19:26.400 like level headed guys, Like why would you get why 1:19:26.400 --> 1:19:27.759 would you get involved with the cartel? 1:19:28.760 --> 1:19:29.200 I don't know. 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:32.639 I mean this is pre Breaking Bad, but you watch 1:19:32.720 --> 1:19:34.839 one episode, you watch that guy's head on a tortoise, 1:19:34.880 --> 1:19:36.400 and you go, I'm not fucking with the cartel. 1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:39.240 But all the cartels have cops in their pockets, So 1:19:39.320 --> 1:19:41.000 this is one of the guys that's just like can 1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:42.120 be bought at a certain price. 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:43.760 That's what I mean with the cop. It's like you 1:19:43.800 --> 1:19:48.160 need the corvette. Yeah, yeah, he did. I understand if 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:50.880 you're like a desperate person that needs your kid over 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:54.439 the border because there's rebels in the land that are 1:19:54.520 --> 1:19:57.400 murdering everyone and are like an authoritative government. 1:19:57.760 --> 1:20:00.080 You're a high school chemistry teacher and you know how 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:02.360 to make meth and you're dying of cancer and you're 1:20:02.360 --> 1:20:04.920 gonna have to leave your family, Like there's certain people 1:20:05.000 --> 1:20:06.240 we let do this. 1:20:06.920 --> 1:20:09.400 Well. The thing with Walter, I can't believe Breaking Bad 1:20:09.439 --> 1:20:14.120 didn't change. I wonder if Breaking Bad coincided with Obamacare, though, 1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:20.000 Like I do wonder if that helped, because that was 1:20:20.040 --> 1:20:23.840 a big show for us. Yeah. Huge. I just talked 1:20:23.880 --> 1:20:27.439 about breaking bad yesterday. Actually, So at. 1:20:27.280 --> 1:20:30.519 One point, this guy doubt finds a guy who had 1:20:30.600 --> 1:20:33.919 robbed the Diaz cartel and delivered him back to the cartel. 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:36.360 Like he could have arrested the guy and like used 1:20:36.439 --> 1:20:37.880 him to take down the cartel if he was a 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:39.640 good cop, But he just delivered this guy back to 1:20:39.640 --> 1:20:41.439 the cartel for probably certain death. 1:20:41.520 --> 1:20:44.880 Like this man was probably absolutely murdered. So the cops 1:20:44.880 --> 1:20:47.439 brought in eight thousand dollars a week by turning a 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:50.360 blind eye on some drug deals, but also busting drug deals, 1:20:50.400 --> 1:20:53.559 stealing the merchandise and selling it themselves. One of Dowd's 1:20:53.600 --> 1:20:57.839 performance reviews, however, said he had excellent street knowledge quote unquote, 1:20:57.840 --> 1:21:00.439 and was quote unquote empathetic. 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:03.280 To the community. I guess accurate. I mean that's accurate. 1:21:03.320 --> 1:21:05.320 He has excellent street knowledge, and he's empathetic to the 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:08.240 community in the sense that he is helping them deal drugs. 1:21:09.439 --> 1:21:11.920 He was finally arrested in nineteen ninety two, when he 1:21:11.960 --> 1:21:14.400 was thirty two years old, by Suffolk County it wasn't 1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:18.160 even the NYPD, it was Suffolk County that caught him 1:21:18.160 --> 1:21:22.160 over wiretap, interacting with like smaller time drug dealers. And 1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:26.160 this case is what inspired David Dinkins, the Mayor of 1:21:26.240 --> 1:21:28.600 New York at the time, to form the mall In Commission, 1:21:28.960 --> 1:21:32.439 which I'm almost positive SVU has brought up before, which 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:35.599 was also known as the City of New York Commission 1:21:35.680 --> 1:21:38.839 to investigate allegations of police corruption and the anti corruption 1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:42.120 procedures of the Police Department, which was founded in nineteen 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:46.160 ninety two. The commission found that while the NYPD had 1:21:46.160 --> 1:21:50.879 received over sixteen complaints about Dowd and others, senior officers 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:55.680 ignored those allegations and blocked anyone investigating them so that 1:21:55.720 --> 1:21:58.800 the department wouldn't look bad. Okay, They found out that 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:03.080 for a decade, the NYPD had quote abandoned its responsibility 1:22:03.120 --> 1:22:04.960 to ensure the honesty of its members. 1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:06.599 And that's from the New York Times. 1:22:07.240 --> 1:22:10.240 And this, apparently, according to the commission, was a top 1:22:10.360 --> 1:22:13.599 down thing, obviously, as it always is. Right the police 1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:17.439 commissioner at the time, Benjamin Ward, there had recently been 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:21.200 a corruption scandal in a different Brooklyn precinct and he 1:22:21.320 --> 1:22:24.320 did not want he thought another one would like really 1:22:24.360 --> 1:22:27.000 really damage the department, so he's like tried to keep 1:22:27.040 --> 1:22:31.360 this one as under the rug as possible. Senior officials 1:22:31.360 --> 1:22:33.680 didn't want any trouble in their precincts because they thought 1:22:33.680 --> 1:22:36.120 it would affect their careers, so they also turned a 1:22:36.160 --> 1:22:39.599 blind eye on shit like this, So any bad reports 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:42.839 about these guys were purposefully isolated so that a pattern 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:44.920 could never emerge, Like no, they could never feel like, 1:22:44.960 --> 1:22:46.640 oh this guy again and he still do it like 1:22:46.680 --> 1:22:49.040 this kind of thing. So they found also that they 1:22:49.040 --> 1:22:52.320 were closing out cases before all the leads were checked out. 1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:56.519 So the commission's report said that they found a quote 1:22:56.560 --> 1:23:00.320 willful effort end quote by internal affairs to ob struck 1:23:00.320 --> 1:23:04.559 the investigation. So IAB was being bad, So IAB yes, 1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:08.080 So I feel like it's very interesting that that's why 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:11.240 when the show starts, Granted this is ninety two, it's 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:14.880 only seven years later, and this commission probably all its 1:23:14.920 --> 1:23:18.240 findings have not gone into like effect, you know how 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:20.559 it takes a long time for like change to happen, 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:24.400 Like I would assume that by ninety nine when SVU airs, 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:26.680 and also they're also going off of shit from Law 1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:29.280 and Order original recipe which was on earlier in the nineties, 1:23:29.800 --> 1:23:33.120 that IAB is bad, Like IAB is fucking with good 1:23:33.160 --> 1:23:35.839 cops and they're covering up for dirty cops or whatever. 1:23:36.320 --> 1:23:39.320 But you could see like the as as I think 1:23:39.360 --> 1:23:42.720 in real life, IAB has gotten cleaned out in the 1:23:42.800 --> 1:23:46.760 NYPD at least, so has the show changed its view 1:23:46.840 --> 1:23:49.519 on Tucker, And like Tucker becomes a good guy basically, 1:23:49.560 --> 1:23:52.400 but at the beginning, he's this shit who's just trying 1:23:52.400 --> 1:23:56.760 to make these good cops life harder, and like in 1:23:56.800 --> 1:24:00.479 this case or just they never know whether they're taking 1:24:00.600 --> 1:24:02.640 someone like Brian Callen aside because they're going to like 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:05.719 release him, or because they're like there's a bad guy, 1:24:05.880 --> 1:24:10.160 or because of some operation that they can't talk about, 1:24:10.240 --> 1:24:12.839 you know, like is it legit or is it shady behavior. 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:14.439 So I just thought it. 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:16.439 Was interesting that all this was going on, like just 1:24:16.479 --> 1:24:18.760 a few years before the show premiered, in these early 1:24:18.800 --> 1:24:23.000 episodes where IAB always looks like the assholes. An example 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:28.240 of one of IAB's negligence is in July of nineteen 1:24:28.240 --> 1:24:31.760 eighty eight, three officers from the seventy fifth Precinct. This 1:24:31.840 --> 1:24:34.080 one that Dowd was a part of robbed a grocery 1:24:34.080 --> 1:24:36.920 store that was also a drug front. These three dumbasses 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:40.840 got arrested after their car was found parked near the precinct. 1:24:41.200 --> 1:24:44.240 Drugs money in plain sight in the car. Yeah, but 1:24:44.280 --> 1:24:46.360 why wouldn't they They've been getting away with it. The 1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:48.519 bosses are on their side, like, yeah, but. 1:24:48.479 --> 1:24:51.479 It's happy roh and jacket over the Duffel bag, Like 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:54.800 it's just so messy, right, It's it's just like you 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:56.479 don't need to be careful when you've been getting away 1:24:56.520 --> 1:25:00.760 with shit forever. So weeks later, Internal Affairs was notified 1:25:00.840 --> 1:25:03.320 that there was a possibility Dowd was involved in the robbery. 1:25:03.439 --> 1:25:05.840 He'd been seen with these officers at a bar right 1:25:05.880 --> 1:25:09.960 before the robbery. Plus two dealers told Internal Affairs that 1:25:10.000 --> 1:25:12.719 they paid Dowd three to four thousand a week plus 1:25:12.720 --> 1:25:15.360 an ounce of coke for protection. I love how they're 1:25:15.439 --> 1:25:17.400 just like, and here's a bag of coke that's for you, 1:25:17.560 --> 1:25:19.800 that's for you to keep sell it, use it. 1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:21.920 Have fun. But nothing was done. 1:25:22.000 --> 1:25:24.320 Iab had these tips, they had these reports, they had 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:25.080 these drug dealers. 1:25:25.200 --> 1:25:25.840 They did nothing. 1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:28.599 They only focus on the three officers who they originally arrested. 1:25:28.640 --> 1:25:31.479 They protected Dowd, and that could be like a seniority thing. 1:25:31.520 --> 1:25:33.080 I don't know who the three officers were. They were 1:25:33.080 --> 1:25:34.639 probably lower on the totem pole. 1:25:35.040 --> 1:25:35.679 As I said. 1:25:35.760 --> 1:25:38.719 They eventually got Dowd in ninety two. He stood trial 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:41.760 in ninety four and was convicted of racketeering and conspiracy 1:25:41.800 --> 1:25:46.720 to distribute narcotics. At his sentencing, he said, quote, I 1:25:46.720 --> 1:25:48.880 think the first thing I'd like to do is apologize 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:50.920 to each and every police officer that has had to 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:53.719 work under the guys I left them two years ago. 1:25:54.439 --> 1:25:56.679 It's a very difficult job, and I made it much 1:25:56.720 --> 1:26:00.200 more difficult, and for that I apologize. He also at 1:26:00.200 --> 1:26:03.000 the sentencing tried to blame his own drug addiction for 1:26:03.080 --> 1:26:05.680 his actions. He was like, he said, quote, having a 1:26:05.720 --> 1:26:07.760 drug addiction and being a police officer is one of 1:26:07.800 --> 1:26:10.400 the most difficult things there is to deal with. I'm 1:26:10.439 --> 1:26:13.160 sure more difficult than many things people have to deal 1:26:13.160 --> 1:26:13.760 with day to day. 1:26:13.800 --> 1:26:14.000 Sir. 1:26:14.360 --> 1:26:17.040 Anyway, he says, as a police officer, your heart is 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:20.040 ripped in half when you're addicted with drugs. There are 1:26:20.120 --> 1:26:22.160 times I wished I was dead because I couldn't stop 1:26:22.160 --> 1:26:22.800 what I was doing. 1:26:22.880 --> 1:26:25.479 But instead, I bought a red convertible in me yes 1:26:25.640 --> 1:26:27.840 of it, and I went to Atlantic City to push 1:26:27.880 --> 1:26:30.080 through the heartache, Like, come on, dude. 1:26:30.280 --> 1:26:33.080 He was sentenced to fourteen years in prison with possible 1:26:33.120 --> 1:26:35.639 parole after eleven, which was a little bit under the max. 1:26:35.880 --> 1:26:38.120 He did not get the full max because he cooperated 1:26:38.160 --> 1:26:41.120 with the Malan Commission. But the judge also in the 1:26:41.160 --> 1:26:44.240 case was presented evidence that Dowd was trying to escape 1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:47.840 after to Nicaragua after he was arrested, So I don't 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:50.519 think she was likely to listen to any of his 1:26:50.600 --> 1:26:53.960 pleas of guilt or feeling bad about and his apologies. 1:26:54.000 --> 1:26:57.200 You know, he also he cooperated with the Malan Commission, 1:26:57.200 --> 1:27:00.920 but he would not rat any other officers involved, none 1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:01.920 of them. You know. 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:05.759 I kind of like that he won't rat out the buddies. Okay, 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:08.280 I don't hate that. It's like he's already caught. He's 1:27:08.320 --> 1:27:11.160 gonna get in trouble. At least he has loyalty to something, 1:27:11.280 --> 1:27:14.880 not humanity, but some of his friends, at least his 1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:17.360 partner Killery. Do I have the wrong opinion? 1:27:19.080 --> 1:27:21.240 Well, you know, if he rat it, it would only be 1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:22.760 to save himself, Like if you rat it, he probably 1:27:22.760 --> 1:27:24.360 would have goten a couple years shaved off, and he 1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:24.800 was maybe. 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:26.720 I mean, I don't know. I don't know how I. 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:30.000 Feel about the loyalty and the rating when it comes 1:27:30.000 --> 1:27:34.759 to crime, but who knows. So anyway, Kenny, his partner, 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:37.400 got no jail time. And apparently this guy was like 1:27:37.479 --> 1:27:39.639 a bumbling drunk idiot. I think he just like fell 1:27:39.680 --> 1:27:41.600 into this gang, and like I think he was like 1:27:42.000 --> 1:27:43.720 so lucky that he just kind of noped out of 1:27:43.760 --> 1:27:46.080 jail time by helping the Feds and getting busted first. 1:27:47.520 --> 1:27:52.240 At his sentencing, at dowd sentencing, judge Kimba m Wood said, 1:27:52.400 --> 1:27:58.160 Kimba Kimba, Wow, Yeah, she's it's a female judge, and 1:27:58.200 --> 1:28:02.719 she said Dowd's crime quote betray and immorality so deep 1:28:02.760 --> 1:28:05.639 that it is rarely encountered. You did not just fall 1:28:05.640 --> 1:28:07.880 prey to temptation and steal what was in front of you, 1:28:08.000 --> 1:28:11.559 or take kickbacks or sell confidential law enforcement information. You 1:28:11.600 --> 1:28:14.960 also continually searched for new ways to abuse your position, 1:28:15.320 --> 1:28:18.000 and at times you recruited fellow officers to join in 1:28:18.040 --> 1:28:21.439 your crimes. So he served, He served twelve and a 1:28:21.479 --> 1:28:25.759 half years, and he's out and in prison, he claims 1:28:25.800 --> 1:28:28.320 he worked as a peer counselor and he ran addiction 1:28:28.880 --> 1:28:33.320 and suicide prevention programs and stuff like that. There was 1:28:34.200 --> 1:28:37.640 supposed to be a movie about him. Let's see, there was. 1:28:37.680 --> 1:28:39.559 Hold on, I forgot to put this all in here, 1:28:39.640 --> 1:28:43.640 but there was. He's been featured on several podcasts and 1:28:43.760 --> 1:28:47.439 says and there was a documentary called The Seven five 1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:53.559 about the precinct, and then a narrative movie was supposed 1:28:53.600 --> 1:28:56.040 to happen with Sony but that was all announced in 1:28:56.120 --> 1:28:57.760 like twenty twenty and stuff. And I feel like it 1:28:57.880 --> 1:29:00.400 like it was like a pandemic died in the pademic. 1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:03.040 So the movie has yet to come. 1:29:03.400 --> 1:29:08.160 But he I read some interviews with him where he 1:29:08.240 --> 1:29:10.080 was like they were like, are you gonna be involved 1:29:10.120 --> 1:29:11.760 in the movie. He's like, I believe I am, so 1:29:11.920 --> 1:29:15.040 I think he was trying to definitely, you know, who 1:29:15.120 --> 1:29:17.240 knows what the guy's doing now? He I think there 1:29:17.280 --> 1:29:17.680 was a lie. 1:29:18.080 --> 1:29:20.719 He knows he did something wrong or like I wonder 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:24.040 what his stories and podcast things are like. 1:29:24.120 --> 1:29:27.400 There were his interviews about well, he he talks about 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:30.320 how he wanted to like either get back into the 1:29:30.360 --> 1:29:32.519 police force or like go to the Police Academy and 1:29:32.600 --> 1:29:35.840 help them root out bad cops or something like help 1:29:36.120 --> 1:29:38.559 like you know, and they were like, no, we're good, 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:42.040 like they didn't want that. So but yeah, I saw 1:29:42.120 --> 1:29:43.680 he did, Like I think I put it in my 1:29:44.880 --> 1:29:47.320 I think in my sources. He does an interview with 1:29:47.360 --> 1:29:51.920 the Intelligencer and it was like a lot of this 1:29:52.080 --> 1:29:55.360 was I think press in twenty fifteen around the documentary 1:29:55.400 --> 1:29:59.120 that came out the seven five, And yeah, the guy 1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:01.880 who did the documentary was supposed to adapt it into 1:30:01.880 --> 1:30:04.040 a movie, and I think it just like never happened. 1:30:04.080 --> 1:30:07.559 But yeah, I mean, yeah, very close to the episode. Yeah, 1:30:07.600 --> 1:30:08.519 so clost to the episode. 1:30:08.520 --> 1:30:10.920 I mean they definitely combined a lot of the things, 1:30:10.960 --> 1:30:13.439 like the bad cops were not actually doing the formula, 1:30:13.520 --> 1:30:15.599 but they were doing the other things, and then other 1:30:15.600 --> 1:30:17.200 people were doing the formula. 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:20.519 But it also just it's it just shows how dumb 1:30:20.560 --> 1:30:22.760 cops starts, like to get a red Corvette to me 1:30:23.120 --> 1:30:26.200 is so insane. Yeah. 1:30:26.560 --> 1:30:29.040 Yeah, it's also they've done that on this show too, 1:30:29.120 --> 1:30:30.760 like where a guy will have like a nice car 1:30:30.800 --> 1:30:32.000 and they'll be like, how did you pay for that car? 1:30:32.000 --> 1:30:33.760 And then they start searching your bank records, you know, 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:35.080 like don't be dumb. 1:30:35.240 --> 1:30:38.080 But he was cocky. I mean, they had complaints about him, 1:30:38.120 --> 1:30:39.880 no one did anything, no one cared. 1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:43.000 Yeah, I mean yeah, it was like it was the 1:30:43.040 --> 1:30:44.920 eighties and the early nineties. I feel like it was 1:30:44.960 --> 1:30:47.439 a really huge time of police corruption. And I'm not 1:30:47.479 --> 1:30:52.000 saying it's gotten super better, but uh, you know. 1:30:52.320 --> 1:30:56.960 I think it's worse. I would say, well, I'm assuming worse. 1:30:57.439 --> 1:30:59.760 Well that I mean, the thing is is like what 1:31:00.000 --> 1:31:02.240 body cameras now? Like that Actually one of the article, 1:31:02.320 --> 1:31:04.160 one of the interviews with the guy, he was like, 1:31:04.200 --> 1:31:05.920 they were like, do you think ops where body cameras? 1:31:05.920 --> 1:31:09.160 He's like absolutely, like and he was saying that he 1:31:09.240 --> 1:31:13.120 thinks the NYPD is way better now. And I mean 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:15.680 this is also coming from like a full criminal, So 1:31:15.760 --> 1:31:16.240 I don't. 1:31:16.080 --> 1:31:18.600 Know, yeah, because I think about Eric Gardner, like I 1:31:18.760 --> 1:31:22.360 just like they are this is is this pre stopping 1:31:22.479 --> 1:31:25.280 for risk? You know what I mean. It's just like 1:31:26.000 --> 1:31:33.400 I uh will never fully trust. Yeah. He again he 1:31:33.479 --> 1:31:36.680 said after this podcast, whatever opinions I had pre the 1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:38.800 pot I mean, no one will ever change my mind, 1:31:39.080 --> 1:31:41.559 like every Yeah, but. 1:31:41.760 --> 1:31:44.479 He said he thinks that the NYPD takes it more 1:31:44.520 --> 1:31:48.120 seriously today and He's like, they use my case for training, 1:31:48.640 --> 1:31:50.240 and he that this is where he says, I asked 1:31:50.240 --> 1:31:52.280 permission to go back to the police academy and be 1:31:52.360 --> 1:31:55.200 involved with a symposium or Q and A, and the 1:31:55.240 --> 1:31:56.640 police commissioner. 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:58.240 Was like, no, no, thank you. 1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:01.400 But uh when they asked him who he would like 1:32:01.479 --> 1:32:04.599 to play him in the feature movie, he said, I've 1:32:04.600 --> 1:32:07.759 been told Ryan Gosling, Marky Mark or James Franco. 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:11.040 And then he goes or whoever else is cute. All 1:32:11.080 --> 1:32:15.200 three of those men look wildly different, and I just 1:32:15.360 --> 1:32:18.840 care he understands casting. Yeah, he doesn't care about similarity. 1:32:18.840 --> 1:32:20.400 I think he just wants a houghty to play him. 1:32:20.520 --> 1:32:25.960 You know, sure we'll get a hottie, but like, yeah, he. 1:32:25.960 --> 1:32:28.880 Looks when you see pictures of him, like, check out 1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:31.280 my Source and Intelligencer if you're interested in a picture 1:32:31.280 --> 1:32:33.639 of him, because the pictures of him, I mean, god, 1:32:33.680 --> 1:32:34.200 when he's a. 1:32:34.160 --> 1:32:35.880 Cop in the here, I'll send you the link. 1:32:36.200 --> 1:32:38.880 When he's a cop in the Oh my god, in 1:32:38.920 --> 1:32:41.519 the eighties, he has the mustache. But then when he 1:32:41.560 --> 1:32:43.479 finally goes on trial and gets busted, he looks like 1:32:43.520 --> 1:32:45.759 a mob guy. You know, he's got like a real. 1:32:46.439 --> 1:32:48.519 He's got a real sort of like mob look to him. 1:32:48.920 --> 1:32:52.040 Maybe Miles Teller that would be his best look of. 1:32:54.040 --> 1:32:59.160 A cutie that can go like this, Oh my god. 1:32:59.160 --> 1:33:01.479 Of course he was on of course, there's a photo 1:33:01.479 --> 1:33:06.920 of him with Rogan. This guy was on Rogan Doubt Yeah, 1:33:07.240 --> 1:33:12.880 fuck of course and with Joey Diaz. Okay, let's we've 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:24.519 got fun guests, so stay where you are. Our guest 1:33:24.640 --> 1:33:27.280 today is an actress who you may recognize as a 1:33:27.320 --> 1:33:30.479 series regular on shows like Justified, The Good Fight, and 1:33:30.560 --> 1:33:33.800 love Craft Country, but you know her today as the 1:33:33.960 --> 1:33:38.080 terrified mother of baby Juan Lynn Hauser. Please enjoy our 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:43.000 chat with the very lovely Erica Tazzle. Epic starts to 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:47.560 an episode one of the more memorable like cold opens 1:33:47.680 --> 1:33:48.400 we've ever seen. 1:33:48.400 --> 1:33:52.120 It was this like your very first. 1:33:53.600 --> 1:33:55.920 I was I was trying to remember if it was 1:33:56.000 --> 1:33:57.320 my first. 1:33:57.160 --> 1:34:00.360 Well, your first IMDb is Sex and the City. I 1:34:00.439 --> 1:34:02.160 was very exciting. 1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:04.479 It was I was like, I think Sex in the 1:34:04.520 --> 1:34:07.599 City or Guiding Light or something was the first one. 1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:10.600 But this was like my first like full once not 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:15.760 bobal cry drama. So that was very exciting to have. Yeah, 1:34:16.000 --> 1:34:20.080 the good first early impression of what a TV set is, 1:34:20.200 --> 1:34:24.599 and it couldn't have been a better opportunity. Mushka Hargate 1:34:24.840 --> 1:34:28.639 is still in the top three people that I've had 1:34:28.680 --> 1:34:36.040 the opportunity of working with, and her her whole demeanor 1:34:36.120 --> 1:34:40.400 and persona on set have influenced why I'm on set, 1:34:41.479 --> 1:34:44.840 especially to our guest stars. She was very generous and 1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:50.240 protective of the process and also had fun and acknowledged 1:34:50.280 --> 1:34:54.439 you know, I remember and that the scene with when 1:34:54.439 --> 1:34:57.720 we're talking about they were in the hospital, which was 1:34:57.760 --> 1:35:00.200 a big, you know, dramatic day for me, and she 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:03.639 had an awareness, Hey, guys, we know each other, we've 1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:06.240 been here. Let's you know, let's respect Erica. And I 1:35:06.280 --> 1:35:09.200 was like, listen, I have found a corner and a hole. 1:35:09.400 --> 1:35:14.559 I'm good. But the fact that she, you know, had 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:18.400 that moment of maybe we're not giving her space, So 1:35:19.479 --> 1:35:22.479 it's it's nice to have that, and it's something that 1:35:22.520 --> 1:35:25.799 I've always extended when possible, you know, in my serious 1:35:25.880 --> 1:35:29.320 regular opportunities and we sort of forget that we're at home, 1:35:29.360 --> 1:35:33.160 but someone else's you know, coming to play with us. 1:35:33.240 --> 1:35:37.479 So yeah, yeah, Marishka, Yeah. 1:35:36.840 --> 1:35:40.439 I have to know. Was the baby a doll or real? 1:35:42.000 --> 1:35:44.240 So there was a doll when I was running out 1:35:44.240 --> 1:35:47.960 of the house, but it was it was weighted, you know, 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:50.920 because we just sort of forget about that. And yes, 1:35:51.120 --> 1:35:55.720 that close up was one half of twins and he 1:35:55.920 --> 1:35:58.320 was the one that was asleep at the moment, and 1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:00.000 so he got he got swat. 1:36:00.560 --> 1:36:03.120 Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I know it's a TV show, 1:36:03.200 --> 1:36:07.280 but like when they're like Juwan passed away, I was like, no, 1:36:09.200 --> 1:36:11.360 have to do that. They didn't have to kill They 1:36:11.400 --> 1:36:11.680 did it. 1:36:12.320 --> 1:36:14.960 And I couldn't remember what happened. So I had it 1:36:15.000 --> 1:36:17.080 on and I think I'd gone to brush my teeth 1:36:17.120 --> 1:36:19.040 and someone came in and said that. 1:36:19.320 --> 1:36:20.320 I was like, she died. 1:36:20.520 --> 1:36:21.519 I couldn't remember. 1:36:21.880 --> 1:36:24.000 Yeah, the outcome, well, I was like. 1:36:23.960 --> 1:36:25.960 They could have just like had him come out of 1:36:26.000 --> 1:36:30.600 it and be a close call. It's still liquid cocaine exactly. 1:36:31.320 --> 1:36:33.759 But even on that day we were shooting in Brooklyn 1:36:34.439 --> 1:36:37.080 the theater. The theater kid in me, this what I 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:42.080 call a happy accident happened. Came out and you know, 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:45.479 screaming and it's echoing on all of the you know, 1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:49.559 brown stones, and I see something out of in the distance, 1:36:49.880 --> 1:36:51.960 out of the corner of my eye, and I was like, 1:36:52.120 --> 1:36:55.200 there's someone running this way and it was a woman. 1:36:55.400 --> 1:36:59.200 She was full on spreading and she was like this 1:36:59.280 --> 1:37:02.320 woman needs to let's help this baby. And so she's 1:37:02.400 --> 1:37:05.560 like and she ran into the scene and she's like, 1:37:05.680 --> 1:37:07.800 come with. I mean, I don't know, she didn't see 1:37:07.840 --> 1:37:10.519 this steady cam. She just was like, full on, I 1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:13.280 am here to save the day. She's like, there's a hospitale. 1:37:13.360 --> 1:37:16.760 So I kept going, that's the theater at me and 1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:20.559 it was and we I just improveed with her and 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:22.760 I was like, where are we going? And then they 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:27.000 cut and I was like ah, And so I was 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:29.000 like that was great, and they were like, yeah, we 1:37:29.080 --> 1:37:29.720 can't use it. 1:37:29.800 --> 1:37:30.600 I was like why not? 1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:32.800 But you know, I didn't know how it worked. She 1:37:33.240 --> 1:37:36.160 wasn't hired, she didn't have paperwork, you know. But it was. 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:42.120 She reacts when she realized she was so laser focused. 1:37:42.200 --> 1:37:45.720 She was so embarrassed and she laughed at herself and 1:37:45.720 --> 1:37:47.599 I gave her a hug and she was like okay, 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:51.320 and you know, she went on her merry way. But hey, 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:53.559 I mean she full on. 1:37:54.080 --> 1:37:56.400 At least now she knows she has a hero spirit. 1:37:56.680 --> 1:37:59.479 You know. Yeah, it was she jumped into action. 1:38:00.320 --> 1:38:02.800 It was great. It was a great accident of a 1:38:02.960 --> 1:38:03.840 very long day. 1:38:04.040 --> 1:38:08.479 So yeah, do you remember there any like big lessons 1:38:08.520 --> 1:38:10.599 you learned on that or any of your early sets 1:38:10.640 --> 1:38:13.920 outside of like being great to guest stars, but anything 1:38:13.960 --> 1:38:19.320 that you remember that really changed your perspective on stuff. 1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:22.559 I came out of drama school at a time that 1:38:22.640 --> 1:38:26.000 we didn't have a lot of on camera training. I mean, 1:38:26.160 --> 1:38:29.200 we had a class the great Joanna Merlin who just 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:35.800 passed away, who was our career teacher, and she she 1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:37.720 always says, you know, the only thing that you can 1:38:37.800 --> 1:38:41.240 control is your preparation. That's you know, in auditioning and 1:38:41.280 --> 1:38:46.160 also showing up to work, right, And what drama school 1:38:46.240 --> 1:38:48.880 taught me was, you know, do your homework at home 1:38:48.960 --> 1:38:53.000 so you can go to work and play. And it 1:38:53.080 --> 1:38:58.880 was definitely a set that was that because I also 1:38:58.960 --> 1:39:04.040 have horrible stage right, I'm fine once I get like 1:39:04.200 --> 1:39:06.960 the first word out or whatever we do the first 1:39:07.479 --> 1:39:12.759 rounds of coverage, and so for me, that's been something 1:39:12.880 --> 1:39:16.479 that's been very useful and continues to be that still 1:39:16.680 --> 1:39:21.120 get terrified and nervous even you know, sitting down here, like, 1:39:21.240 --> 1:39:23.640 oh god, it's I'm going to do a podcast, you know, 1:39:23.720 --> 1:39:29.599 and I'm okay now, but beating a little fast. But yeah, 1:39:29.720 --> 1:39:33.120 you know, to just respect, you know, preparation is respecting 1:39:33.160 --> 1:39:36.559 other people's time as well. And even when you're not 1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:39.559 being covered, I always want to be a rat see 1:39:39.680 --> 1:39:42.760 partner and give people. Some people sort of pull back 1:39:42.840 --> 1:39:45.560 and not give you what you need to save it 1:39:45.680 --> 1:39:48.120 for their coverage. But I'm like, forget that. What can 1:39:48.160 --> 1:39:51.720 I learn involve a camera is on that person, you know, 1:39:51.800 --> 1:39:55.960 especially if I'm being covered after to still continue to 1:39:56.120 --> 1:39:59.920 use being on set an opportunity to still discover something new, 1:40:00.160 --> 1:40:05.800 deeper circumstances. And again that was from watching Marishka. That's 1:40:05.920 --> 1:40:11.880 been from watching you know, my wonderful classmates in grad school. 1:40:12.080 --> 1:40:15.280 Even more new we shared a dressing room. Shakespeare in 1:40:15.280 --> 1:40:18.719 the Park was my first job. Wow, just watching her work, 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:23.800 watching her in rehearsal with Michael Stoulbarg who knew you know, 1:40:24.160 --> 1:40:27.520 I knew, but you know, the wonderful great Michael Stoudebart. 1:40:30.040 --> 1:40:32.680 Just what it means to play? I mean it is 1:40:33.479 --> 1:40:36.720 my mentor says, what we do is child's play. It's 1:40:36.840 --> 1:40:41.719 make and believe, you know, and it should be fun. 1:40:43.720 --> 1:40:47.320 When it's not, I remind myself. It's just child's play. 1:40:48.200 --> 1:40:50.479 I get paid to come to work and play. Yeah. 1:40:50.600 --> 1:40:53.640 So yeah, I don't know if I answered the question. 1:40:53.520 --> 1:40:56.320 You did and lovely, and I wrote I like the 1:40:56.320 --> 1:40:59.920 preparation and we love Joanna Merlin. So this was like 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:05.920 really like a treat to hear some insight from it. Yeah, 1:41:05.960 --> 1:41:08.480 did you move to la for Justified? 1:41:09.720 --> 1:41:13.960 No? I was thinking about that today. I'm so dramatic. 1:41:14.439 --> 1:41:17.080 So when I came out of school, there was a 1:41:17.080 --> 1:41:19.439 cycle of work for me. I was just I was 1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:26.280 very lucky, and I it was just booking, you know, 1:41:26.439 --> 1:41:29.679 play here, play there, whatever TV was there at the time, 1:41:32.000 --> 1:41:35.400 whatever version of Law and Order was there, whatever pilot 1:41:35.479 --> 1:41:38.639 that came through and had a couple of episodes before 1:41:38.880 --> 1:41:44.000 it got canceled. And I remember getting an appointment for 1:41:44.200 --> 1:41:48.400 something I don't remember why it was, and I was 1:41:48.479 --> 1:41:52.439 kind of like, oh, I got this, and I kind 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:56.599 of stepped and looked at myself like, oh, you're feeling yourself. 1:41:56.640 --> 1:41:59.280 You're getting a little cocky, you know, because again I 1:41:59.360 --> 1:42:02.360 was very for to get a job. I got an 1:42:02.439 --> 1:42:10.560 agent and I had Oftens full representation, and so being extreme, 1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:12.280 I was like, oh, you need to you need to 1:42:12.280 --> 1:42:15.840 take yourself out of your comfort zone, and so what 1:42:15.880 --> 1:42:19.559 does that mean? And then so the other voice was like, 1:42:19.640 --> 1:42:21.840 you need to move, you need to We're just you're 1:42:21.880 --> 1:42:24.120 taking all of this for granted, you don't. This is 1:42:24.160 --> 1:42:27.080 how people need become. The world that's warm, cell phones 1:42:27.120 --> 1:42:30.280 at people, you're taking You're starting to feel yourself or 1:42:30.320 --> 1:42:32.679 is it as they would say, My family would says, 1:42:32.680 --> 1:42:36.800 smelling yourself? So I thought, well, where can I go? 1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:39.800 There's Chicago the Theater. There's theater there, but I was 1:42:39.920 --> 1:42:43.400 like that cold does not interest me at all. And 1:42:43.439 --> 1:42:47.480 then there was California. It's like, I don't know anybody 1:42:47.720 --> 1:42:50.200 in Los Angeles, but I didn't know anybody in New York. 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:53.200 I didn't know anybody in Atlanta, where I went to undergrad. 1:42:54.120 --> 1:42:58.519 And so I said, okay, you're going to move to 1:42:58.680 --> 1:43:00.920 LA And so I thought it about it for a year. 1:43:01.960 --> 1:43:04.800 And my best friend lived here at the time and 1:43:04.920 --> 1:43:08.880 she was considering a move to New York and say, hey, 1:43:08.920 --> 1:43:10.760 I'm thinking about this. Maybe we can just do an 1:43:10.800 --> 1:43:13.719 apartment slot. I'm going to revisit this in six months 1:43:13.720 --> 1:43:16.679 to make sure I'm not being completely irrational and stupid 1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:20.720 and really get clear on why I want to go. 1:43:21.520 --> 1:43:26.920 And the creative piece of that is I also wanted to, 1:43:27.880 --> 1:43:31.760 like Angeno, like Marianne, be able to say that I 1:43:31.800 --> 1:43:35.559 can do all three. Be I can I can do 1:43:35.680 --> 1:43:39.200 well in terms of performance wise in each of the 1:43:39.280 --> 1:43:43.720 medium's TV, film, and theater. And at that time New 1:43:43.800 --> 1:43:47.639 York was predominantly theater. Now you can do all three there, 1:43:47.680 --> 1:43:51.280 And I'm like kicking myself. You know, it's all these 1:43:51.360 --> 1:43:56.200 great independent films and plays obviously all in off Quadlai, 1:43:56.400 --> 1:43:59.400 and all of the nice regional theaters that cast out 1:43:59.400 --> 1:44:02.880 of there. The TV work that there's that's there too. 1:44:03.640 --> 1:44:06.160 So to answer your question, I came to shake myself 1:44:06.320 --> 1:44:09.559 up a little bit so that I'm never taking anything 1:44:09.600 --> 1:44:14.599 for granted, especially the good things, and to hopefully and 1:44:14.640 --> 1:44:18.880 with hopes of sort of cracking the TV and film 1:44:19.240 --> 1:44:21.400 not to figure out what that was, because I would 1:44:21.439 --> 1:44:23.439 be learning back completely on the job. 1:44:24.920 --> 1:44:27.360 Then it worked. It wasn't a bad decision. 1:44:28.520 --> 1:44:30.040 Yeah, sometimes I'm like, what was it? 1:44:32.560 --> 1:44:32.800 Yeah? 1:44:33.240 --> 1:44:35.840 LA is interesting? You know New York is what you 1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:38.559 what you see is what you get from the city, 1:44:38.560 --> 1:44:42.800 from the people LA, and from the South where I'm from, 1:44:42.960 --> 1:44:46.599 what you see is really what you get. LA let 1:44:46.680 --> 1:44:49.639 you see may or may not be what you're getting. 1:44:50.000 --> 1:44:52.320 You may know what I mean by that. So it's 1:44:52.360 --> 1:44:54.439 a different kind it's a different kind of slick. And 1:44:54.479 --> 1:44:58.040 so that was I'm still, I feel like, in many ways, 1:44:58.040 --> 1:45:02.200 still adjusting to that. But I don't mind the sunshine, 1:45:02.479 --> 1:45:06.360 I don't mind the palm leaves. I'm twenty minutes from 1:45:06.439 --> 1:45:09.720 some water, those things like that. 1:45:09.840 --> 1:45:14.880 So, yeah, do you do theater out in la I 1:45:14.920 --> 1:45:17.960 did a show and December what is this? 1:45:18.000 --> 1:45:21.719 Twenty five? The end of to twenty three a play 1:45:21.840 --> 1:45:25.760 called Lines in the Dust, which was written by a 1:45:25.760 --> 1:45:31.680 woman named Nicole Salter, and it dealt with residency fraud 1:45:31.840 --> 1:45:37.240 in schools where parents oh lie about their addresses to 1:45:37.280 --> 1:45:39.920 get their school. And so it was a three person play, 1:45:40.600 --> 1:45:44.720 two women and a man, an investigator of principal and 1:45:44.760 --> 1:45:47.840 then the mom of who has a daughter in this 1:45:47.960 --> 1:45:50.519 private school and it's out in Jersey. That takes me 1:45:50.600 --> 1:45:55.639 from Jersey down the street from New York. And an 1:45:55.640 --> 1:45:58.760 incident happens at the school where they bring in with 1:45:58.880 --> 1:46:01.960 a kid who did not live when they found out 1:46:02.000 --> 1:46:04.120 you didn't actually live in the district, and so they 1:46:04.120 --> 1:46:06.479 were like, how many kids are do how many so 1:46:06.520 --> 1:46:09.080 they opened up an investigation. I'm my kid is one 1:46:09.120 --> 1:46:14.639 of them. So the brilliant and scary and insane thing 1:46:14.960 --> 1:46:19.559 that we were asked before we decided to do this 1:46:20.400 --> 1:46:26.600 is that the women were we had. We did both roles, okay, 1:46:26.760 --> 1:46:30.400 and I don't know if you remember if you were 1:46:30.400 --> 1:46:34.400 in New York. It had to be between two thousand 1:46:34.479 --> 1:46:40.320 and two thousand and four. Philip Seymour Hoffman and John 1:46:40.400 --> 1:46:44.160 c Riley did production of Through West to Sam Shepherd 1:46:44.160 --> 1:46:48.240 play Yeah, where they switched roles, and that was two 1:46:48.240 --> 1:46:51.200 men and a woman. And so in the spirit of that, 1:46:51.479 --> 1:46:55.559 I said, well, I just said two weeks ago. I 1:46:55.600 --> 1:46:59.960 haven't been scared in a really long time. I haven't 1:47:00.120 --> 1:47:04.439 been like teetering on failure or feeling like there's no 1:47:04.479 --> 1:47:05.920 way I can do this. But I'm going to go 1:47:06.040 --> 1:47:08.640 for it. And you know, be careful what you ask for. 1:47:09.400 --> 1:47:12.559 And so say, I remember speaking with the director. I said, 1:47:12.600 --> 1:47:14.559 you know, and Noah's asked me to do that before 1:47:15.320 --> 1:47:19.880 I'm going to say, I'm going to say yes. And 1:47:19.920 --> 1:47:22.719 so they were in the process of finding another person 1:47:22.800 --> 1:47:25.479 and the woman that they got they they'd been wanting her, 1:47:25.560 --> 1:47:27.960 but she was busy and she was in timing just 1:47:28.040 --> 1:47:33.519 worked out, and so that was a marathon. That was 1:47:33.560 --> 1:47:39.200 a marathon, And yeah, I definitely woke failure straight in 1:47:39.240 --> 1:47:43.160 the face. And one of the roles I was ready 1:47:43.240 --> 1:47:45.200 to go on forth with the one that I was 1:47:45.240 --> 1:47:47.960 supposed to start with. I was not ready. And that 1:47:48.080 --> 1:47:51.320 was the principle she was. They both were. They both 1:47:51.320 --> 1:47:55.040 had their own challenges, and in the spirit of grad school, 1:47:55.080 --> 1:47:56.880 I was like, Okay, well I'm just going to figure 1:47:56.880 --> 1:47:58.840 it out in front of people. You know, I'll pick 1:47:58.920 --> 1:48:02.479 up where because you're going to always be learning about 1:48:02.520 --> 1:48:04.640 it anyways for the next four weeks and there'll be 1:48:04.720 --> 1:48:09.200 things that you discover still hopefully, but. 1:48:10.400 --> 1:48:13.799 That was That's one where I will. 1:48:13.600 --> 1:48:17.439 Look back and still sort of pat my back myself 1:48:17.479 --> 1:48:21.360 on the back in terms of getting through that and 1:48:21.400 --> 1:48:24.760 being really proud of that work and proud of workings 1:48:25.360 --> 1:48:29.959 the Legionate and all of the people who were involved 1:48:30.000 --> 1:48:32.160 with that. It's a great time. It was scary. 1:48:32.439 --> 1:48:35.439 Yeah, that is scary. Oh my gosh. So when you 1:48:35.640 --> 1:48:38.240 get a project like that and you have to do 1:48:38.439 --> 1:48:41.840 so much preparation, so much more probably so much memorizing, 1:48:43.040 --> 1:48:45.040 how do you balance other parts of your life with 1:48:45.120 --> 1:48:48.880 that kind of like pressure and you know, time commitment. 1:48:49.600 --> 1:48:54.120 Honestly, with that play, I did not have any balance whatsoever, 1:48:54.280 --> 1:48:56.560 because I mean there, I think there's you have to 1:48:56.600 --> 1:48:59.240 put it down half a of your life, you know 1:48:59.600 --> 1:49:04.360 that the time for things to come in. Somehow. I 1:49:04.439 --> 1:49:07.200 always feel like whatever story I'm working on, it sort 1:49:07.240 --> 1:49:09.880 of shows up in the world, Like there's a charter 1:49:10.000 --> 1:49:15.479 school that I know I've driven by, but I didn't 1:49:15.960 --> 1:49:18.799 see that charter school until I was working on display, 1:49:19.320 --> 1:49:21.559 and it was like Cassi school Benear the whole time. 1:49:23.680 --> 1:49:29.840 Like for my billboards, regarding the issue, it just sort 1:49:29.880 --> 1:49:32.800 of shows up or commercials or songs or you know, 1:49:33.439 --> 1:49:36.720 articles and pay I don't know, to be magic, I 1:49:36.720 --> 1:49:39.080 don't know, but it ends up coming up. But in 1:49:39.280 --> 1:49:43.400 this one, it felt like we had a lot of time, 1:49:43.479 --> 1:49:45.400 and then we didn't have a lot of time. And 1:49:46.479 --> 1:49:49.320 if I had it to do over again, I wouldn't. 1:49:49.840 --> 1:49:52.599 I would probably not come home and work as much 1:49:52.640 --> 1:49:55.719 as I did. I was not sleeping, I wasn't eating properly. 1:49:58.520 --> 1:50:02.519 It was one of the roles whichever what it was 1:50:03.680 --> 1:50:08.479 was consuming. But to do both and figure me out, Okay, 1:50:08.560 --> 1:50:11.479 what are we hurt? What are we rehearsing tomorrow, because 1:50:11.479 --> 1:50:13.640 there was this point where if I was saying I 1:50:13.800 --> 1:50:16.280 was Beverly, it was the principal, and Kelly was working 1:50:16.360 --> 1:50:21.439 on Demitra. I would My thought was, I will watch, 1:50:21.720 --> 1:50:25.040 you know, watch scenes, but you couldn't. You can't. They 1:50:25.160 --> 1:50:29.040 both couldn't be in the room together. So today you're 1:50:29.120 --> 1:50:31.640 Beverly Erica and Demetra will take care of yourself and 1:50:31.760 --> 1:50:35.479 vice versa. So to answer your question, in that case, 1:50:35.760 --> 1:50:40.360 there was no balance. It sort of recalibrated once we 1:50:40.760 --> 1:50:43.080 opened and got on our feet. But I do think 1:50:43.120 --> 1:50:46.240 you you have to sort of give it a rest. 1:50:47.280 --> 1:50:52.920 And so that you can rest is that the body 1:50:53.040 --> 1:50:55.640 is armored, it's it's it's we're the computer, we are 1:50:55.760 --> 1:50:59.280 the instrument. And if it's not hydrated, if it's not 1:50:59.360 --> 1:51:01.840 both fed, if it's not rested, it will not work. 1:51:03.040 --> 1:51:07.920 Yeah, it WI was shut down. So in general I 1:51:08.520 --> 1:51:11.800 have that balance, but with that one, it it got 1:51:11.880 --> 1:51:13.559 a little tipped. It got a little tipped. 1:51:14.360 --> 1:51:19.519 So and I guess with a different type of thing, justified, 1:51:19.560 --> 1:51:20.800 how many years were you on that? 1:51:21.600 --> 1:51:22.240 Six years? 1:51:22.600 --> 1:51:25.200 So how is it playing the same character for that long? 1:51:26.080 --> 1:51:29.879 Just it was it was something that I wanted because 1:51:30.400 --> 1:51:34.600 again learning TV, you know on a set versus you 1:51:34.680 --> 1:51:39.280 know in a classroom or class where you know, I 1:51:39.479 --> 1:51:41.960 was getting guest stars and I would learn something, but 1:51:42.080 --> 1:51:44.800 it maybe six months later before the next one came 1:51:44.840 --> 1:51:47.200 and I forgot what I learned, sort of sort of 1:51:47.280 --> 1:51:51.320 how building blocks. So I always wanted a series in 1:51:51.479 --> 1:51:55.400 that regard so that I could put those things together 1:51:56.040 --> 1:51:58.880 quicker and then that it so that it became a 1:51:58.960 --> 1:52:02.439 part of its like process and must of memory. And 1:52:02.680 --> 1:52:06.080 so what was great about Justified. It was my first 1:52:06.200 --> 1:52:11.479 pilot and I went to series and it they had 1:52:11.479 --> 1:52:14.479 to buy the grace of God because you know, Tim 1:52:14.600 --> 1:52:18.360 had these cute little three buildings at home. Insisted that we, 1:52:18.600 --> 1:52:20.439 if it did get picked up, that we shoot in 1:52:20.600 --> 1:52:24.080 la We shot the pilot in Pittsburgh. Well, we were 1:52:24.320 --> 1:52:27.479 based in Pittsburgh and these little small towns outside of 1:52:27.520 --> 1:52:29.600 that that really did look like the green in the 1:52:29.680 --> 1:52:33.400 mountains of Kentucky that Santa Kalita out here, just not 1:52:33.560 --> 1:52:36.960 all far. But so it was nice to also be 1:52:37.640 --> 1:52:42.559 be home and have a job and still have my life, 1:52:42.840 --> 1:52:46.920 you know, my conversations with my male person, you know, 1:52:47.280 --> 1:52:51.040 my gym and yoga classes, my farmers at the farmers 1:52:51.200 --> 1:52:56.400 market without having to pack up and be, you know, 1:52:56.840 --> 1:53:00.160 in another city. So that was great because I I 1:53:00.240 --> 1:53:01.840 felt like I got the best of all of it. 1:53:01.920 --> 1:53:06.240 That I had my life, my volunteerism, my church, my girlfriends, 1:53:06.320 --> 1:53:09.280 my home boys, and I had my work and I 1:53:09.360 --> 1:53:12.400 had my work. Yeah, so it was the best of 1:53:13.200 --> 1:53:16.519 all of the worlds. And I couldn't have asked for 1:53:16.640 --> 1:53:21.439 a better first time out. I learned a lot on 1:53:21.640 --> 1:53:23.120 that show, a lot. 1:53:24.080 --> 1:53:27.280 Is there anything coming out soon or you'd love to 1:53:27.400 --> 1:53:29.120 tell our listeners to. 1:53:29.280 --> 1:53:33.920 Check out you know what, I don't have anything, Okay. 1:53:35.840 --> 1:53:43.240 The strike, the triple strikes, really did shift the stratosphere. 1:53:43.560 --> 1:53:46.080 And that was also post COVID. We were just talking 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:49.240 to another guest. It was like, yeah, from COVID shutting 1:53:49.400 --> 1:53:51.640 so much of our work done down and then the 1:53:51.760 --> 1:53:54.519 strikes back to back was definitely a lot. 1:53:55.240 --> 1:53:57.240 Yeah, because I felt like I had I started to 1:53:57.280 --> 1:53:59.560 sort of bounce back in twenty one. I had a 1:53:59.640 --> 1:54:04.400 great twenty two all the way up through like December 1:54:04.479 --> 1:54:06.840 of twenty two. I did my first feature film, I 1:54:06.960 --> 1:54:10.519 had two of the Curse. I did a small film 1:54:11.680 --> 1:54:14.880 and I was like, all right, we're getting back and 1:54:15.040 --> 1:54:17.439 then that we sort of started to feel best slowed 1:54:17.479 --> 1:54:23.040 down in January. There's typically some sort of islight season, right, 1:54:23.280 --> 1:54:27.840 and there there were things. Two of those shows are 1:54:27.880 --> 1:54:28.920 on TV right now. 1:54:31.240 --> 1:54:34.280 Close. But yeah, so. 1:54:36.040 --> 1:54:39.480 I am revisiting Spanish for example, like what can you 1:54:39.600 --> 1:54:44.600 be doing in this time? So I am picking that 1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:47.640 back up and then as on is my way into 1:54:47.760 --> 1:54:53.080 some Italian and cool you know these things that I have, yeah, 1:54:53.200 --> 1:54:55.640 and things that I just haven't done while living here 1:54:55.840 --> 1:54:59.520 in La It's like there's so having for as long 1:54:59.560 --> 1:55:01.920 as I've been here, feel like there's so much about 1:55:01.960 --> 1:55:04.560 the city that I don't know and I haven't experienced. 1:55:05.200 --> 1:55:08.800 And so there's that too, because that's homework and that's stimulus. 1:55:09.280 --> 1:55:14.840 All of it goes into my humanity and and my 1:55:15.080 --> 1:55:18.760 work as an actor and as a friend and the wife, 1:55:18.920 --> 1:55:21.920 as an auntie, as a pet parent. You know, it's 1:55:22.080 --> 1:55:26.520 it all, It all is important and matter. So sort 1:55:26.560 --> 1:55:32.320 of recalibrating my mind that what is useful? What can 1:55:32.440 --> 1:55:35.200 I focus on? How can I still be learning so 1:55:35.600 --> 1:55:40.360 and be ready when you know, the next opportunity comes. 1:55:40.400 --> 1:55:44.400 I'm thankful that I'm a lost acationing for and that 1:55:44.520 --> 1:55:48.720 there are opportunities, but you know, we'll see, we'll see. 1:55:49.400 --> 1:55:54.080 Yeah, I'm sure there's big things to come. This was 1:55:54.160 --> 1:55:56.320 so great. Thank you for taking the time to talk 1:55:56.400 --> 1:55:56.760 to us. 1:55:57.400 --> 1:55:59.640 I love that you're doing this. When I when I 1:55:59.720 --> 1:56:05.000 saw su suus like glad, it's yes, I have to. 1:56:05.640 --> 1:56:09.600 I have to. And it's really incredible. Like I would say, unprompted, 1:56:09.720 --> 1:56:12.440 even the ninety five percent of our guests spring up 1:56:12.480 --> 1:56:16.920 how great Marishka was, and so it really is. It 1:56:17.040 --> 1:56:17.760 never gets old. 1:56:18.680 --> 1:56:23.440 Yeah, she is. She is a gem and I actually 1:56:23.680 --> 1:56:26.360 want to do another because I think I'm well past 1:56:26.440 --> 1:56:30.560 the time you gotta come back, and I would get 1:56:30.720 --> 1:56:33.520 anything to work with her again. 1:56:33.960 --> 1:56:37.440 Yeah, some of them now I saw that. 1:56:38.440 --> 1:56:40.400 Yeah, and just have my adult self. 1:56:40.360 --> 1:56:43.560 Got to get you back across Jonathan Strauss's desk. You're 1:56:43.560 --> 1:56:46.720 a different person. You were like a baby that last 1:56:46.800 --> 1:56:48.240 one baby. 1:56:49.080 --> 1:56:52.400 So myself looks like, oh my god, it's a baby, Erica. 1:56:54.360 --> 1:56:55.520 It's a good memory. 1:56:59.280 --> 1:57:02.360 This episode. Twisty twisty baby. 1:57:02.560 --> 1:57:06.360 I mean really, just like you think it's just going 1:57:06.440 --> 1:57:09.880 to be about this baby, and then it's just a 1:57:10.040 --> 1:57:14.840 full fucking you know, uncovering of police corruption, which you 1:57:14.920 --> 1:57:17.720 know they followed very closely to the letter of real life. 1:57:18.000 --> 1:57:19.960 I'd like to think it's better now, but I don't 1:57:20.000 --> 1:57:25.040 know if it is. No, it's worse now for sure, Yeah, yeah, sure. 1:57:25.120 --> 1:57:26.840 I mean I don't know if there's as much like 1:57:27.040 --> 1:57:29.760 I think that there definitely is. There are cops that 1:57:29.920 --> 1:57:34.480 act badly and hurt people and then that gets covered up. 1:57:34.600 --> 1:57:38.640 I don't know if there's as much funneling drug like 1:57:38.760 --> 1:57:42.000 you know, like cops actually in the pockets of drug 1:57:42.240 --> 1:57:44.680 dealers and like working with Do you think there is? 1:57:44.840 --> 1:57:46.120 I mean I don't know, how would I know, But 1:57:46.320 --> 1:57:47.960 like I don't know, you know. 1:57:48.080 --> 1:57:50.720 I feel like there's police officers are covering up for 1:57:50.800 --> 1:57:52.560 each other's bullshit. But I don't know if there's as 1:57:52.680 --> 1:57:56.800 much like fully embedded in the criminal underworld and profiting 1:57:56.800 --> 1:57:57.080 from them. 1:57:57.080 --> 1:57:59.320 Well, because don't they have like something immunity now that 1:57:59.320 --> 1:58:01.360 they could do whatever they want? I mean, the president 1:58:01.440 --> 1:58:03.360 has that. I don't know if cops do. No, it's 1:58:03.400 --> 1:58:07.839 like a thing, it's called something qualified immunity, as protected 1:58:07.880 --> 1:58:11.680 law enforcement officers and other government officials for being held 1:58:11.720 --> 1:58:16.320 accountable when they violate people's constitutional rights, and so it's 1:58:16.440 --> 1:58:19.440 like they can do whatever they want. But this is civil. 1:58:20.440 --> 1:58:23.520 It looks like what do you mean, I don't know. 1:58:24.360 --> 1:58:26.400 It looks like it protects them from being sued, but 1:58:26.480 --> 1:58:28.960 it doesn't protect them from going to jail and being prosecuted. 1:58:29.720 --> 1:58:33.200 Like but I mean, it's still it's still you know 1:58:33.800 --> 1:58:38.000 actually you know, we had a lawyer right us, and 1:58:38.560 --> 1:58:41.360 I will find the exact message. But it was really 1:58:41.440 --> 1:58:44.520 interesting because she was like, you know, you should let 1:58:44.600 --> 1:58:48.640 your I love how you guys talk about how you know, 1:58:50.080 --> 1:58:51.880 going out, Like why didn't you go to the cops? 1:58:51.920 --> 1:58:52.600 Why didn't you do this? 1:58:52.840 --> 1:58:55.919 Like getting justice for a rapist is like very difficult, 1:58:56.400 --> 1:58:59.240 But she was saying that there's a lot of ways 1:58:59.360 --> 1:59:04.040 civilly that you can go after people like your attackers 1:59:04.600 --> 1:59:06.920 in a way that can sometimes, she said, be even 1:59:06.960 --> 1:59:09.880 more meaningful for victims, like you don't go through such 1:59:09.960 --> 1:59:13.120 like a public try. It's like the burden of proof 1:59:13.200 --> 1:59:16.040 is a little easier, and you can sue them for money, 1:59:16.800 --> 1:59:19.840 which a lot of times can help victims in terms 1:59:19.880 --> 1:59:22.520 of getting therapy and getting like you know, if they've 1:59:22.720 --> 1:59:26.160 lost their job or they've lost you know, tons of 1:59:26.640 --> 1:59:29.040 financial resources through what happened. 1:59:29.120 --> 1:59:32.200 You know, me see if I can find it, because 1:59:32.200 --> 1:59:34.760 it was really interesting. I mean good, I mean, any 1:59:34.840 --> 1:59:42.240 better way that we could fucking get rapists? Yeah, fantastic, Yeah, yeah, 1:59:42.440 --> 1:59:42.800 for sure. 1:59:43.680 --> 1:59:47.520 I don't know what the post mortem takeaways are for 1:59:47.600 --> 1:59:51.000 the episode to risk, Well, basically, don't borrow any formula 1:59:51.080 --> 1:59:55.440 from your rich fucking friends or employers because they are 1:59:55.880 --> 1:59:58.320 possibly smuggling drugs and don't even have a child. 1:59:58.800 --> 2:00:01.000 Well, my thing too is thank god that it was 2:00:01.080 --> 2:00:04.919 like the SVW detectives and that they wanted to continue 2:00:04.920 --> 2:00:08.000 an investigation, because I think in the real world, like 2:00:08.400 --> 2:00:12.560 Lynn would have been arrested for murdering her baby immediately. Yeah, 2:00:12.560 --> 2:00:14.760 I don't think there wouldn't have been any sort of 2:00:15.120 --> 2:00:17.080 I think she would have been arrested, hauled off and 2:00:17.200 --> 2:00:20.640 never been seen again. Like That's That's kind of what 2:00:20.800 --> 2:00:23.320 I was thinking throughout this episode. I'm like, thank god 2:00:23.400 --> 2:00:27.720 it was Benson and Stabler, Like if it was anyone else, 2:00:28.240 --> 2:00:30.560 I don't think it would have been investigated so thoroughly, 2:00:31.240 --> 2:00:34.080 and you know, with IAB and all of that. But 2:00:34.400 --> 2:00:36.360 you know what else I loved about this episode, I'd say, 2:00:36.440 --> 2:00:41.440 is Cragan Craigan really swearing, having a lot to say, 2:00:42.040 --> 2:00:44.760 really getting it out there. I really like him and 2:00:45.000 --> 2:00:48.640 in the streets, getting involved, fighting, beating IAB. 2:00:48.840 --> 2:00:52.320 But I thought, I think it's like interesting the journey 2:00:52.640 --> 2:00:56.080 that IAB has followed over the course of this show, 2:00:57.200 --> 2:01:01.480 and does it does it mirror what was happening in 2:01:01.560 --> 2:01:04.480 real life, Like because i AB back in the Michael 2:01:04.560 --> 2:01:09.240 down time was doing absolutely nothing and so but then 2:01:09.400 --> 2:01:12.520 obviously by the end we're like, not by the end, 2:01:12.600 --> 2:01:15.200 but by the time we're like in Tucker Love Territory, 2:01:15.320 --> 2:01:17.640 We're like, oh, yeah, we need Tucker. We need people 2:01:17.720 --> 2:01:21.960 to check these fucking cops, you know. But again a 2:01:22.040 --> 2:01:26.120 fantasy world where somebody does check cops. It's so Cocaine's 2:01:26.200 --> 2:01:28.240 not cool, like get a live. 2:01:29.480 --> 2:01:32.800 I just don't. I don't get the chase. The chase. 2:01:33.040 --> 2:01:35.680 I literally have been talking about cocaine so much like 2:01:36.080 --> 2:01:39.440 the last two days, Like people just keep bringing up cocaine, 2:01:39.480 --> 2:01:43.200 and I keep being like, if cocaine made me feel great, 2:01:43.320 --> 2:01:45.160 I bet I would have done I would would do 2:01:45.280 --> 2:01:48.360 it still, but it all it does is keep me awake. 2:01:48.560 --> 2:01:51.200 It's to me, it's like you're just awake at eight 2:01:51.240 --> 2:01:53.880 am talking to some dumbass about something he doesn't know 2:01:53.960 --> 2:01:54.560 anything about. 2:01:54.720 --> 2:01:58.600 Like that's all cocaine does. And I like, I'm like, 2:01:58.680 --> 2:01:59.000 I don't know. 2:01:59.040 --> 2:02:01.360 If cocaine had the same effect for me as like Molly, 2:02:01.520 --> 2:02:04.200 for example, I'd be a lot more inclined. You know, 2:02:04.720 --> 2:02:06.000 it just doesn't do anything for me. 2:02:06.280 --> 2:02:10.240 I don't get the buzz. No oh, and to go 2:02:10.360 --> 2:02:12.320 back to my London mote. This is another thing, like 2:02:12.720 --> 2:02:17.480 not to insult anyone's culture, but like Jews definitely know 2:02:17.560 --> 2:02:21.760 how to do a funeral better. Like where is the food? Yea, 2:02:22.200 --> 2:02:24.880 the Brits did not eat at all. I had to 2:02:24.920 --> 2:02:27.160 go get my own foot there was. They're not eating, 2:02:27.520 --> 2:02:32.560 they're not drinking water, they are drinking from uh. I 2:02:32.680 --> 2:02:35.760 had to for I would say fifteen hours straight. People 2:02:35.800 --> 2:02:38.520 were drinking with not a bit of food and not 2:02:38.680 --> 2:02:41.800 a drop of water. I was the only one hydrating 2:02:42.000 --> 2:02:44.360 and ordering food. No one else. And then guess who 2:02:44.360 --> 2:02:48.400 I was sitting eating with the other jew? Yeah, it 2:02:48.560 --> 2:02:50.680 was just us Jews. And I kept looking at her 2:02:50.800 --> 2:02:53.200 being like why is no one eating? What is going on? 2:02:53.880 --> 2:02:58.080 And then we realized it's because we were Jewish. Yeah, yeah, 2:02:59.000 --> 2:03:02.240 no one no, It's like I don't And then I 2:03:02.320 --> 2:03:05.400 kept ordering apps for everybody because everyone's drinking for so long, 2:03:05.560 --> 2:03:08.720 no one touched any of it. No one wanted any 2:03:08.760 --> 2:03:08.880 of it. 2:03:10.360 --> 2:03:13.480 It's like yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes grief makes people 2:03:13.560 --> 2:03:15.240 lose their appetite, but it's like you're. 2:03:15.080 --> 2:03:17.920 Also gonna throw up, like you have to like put 2:03:18.000 --> 2:03:21.000 some food in your stomach, you know. I don't know. 2:03:21.080 --> 2:03:25.080 The sitting shiva just makes sense. Yeah, you get a week, 2:03:25.400 --> 2:03:29.400 you don't have to do anything. Never not put away 2:03:29.520 --> 2:03:33.480 and never not full. Yeah, it's just like not the 2:03:33.640 --> 2:03:37.880 same and hopefully Yeah. I don't know if it's all 2:03:38.000 --> 2:03:39.200 Christians or just like I. 2:03:39.240 --> 2:03:41.760 Really okay ask you because I was like, oh, what's 2:03:41.840 --> 2:03:44.720 the vibe. I've never been to a British ceremony, so 2:03:44.840 --> 2:03:48.160 I was just wondering if it was, well, this was wrunk, 2:03:48.280 --> 2:03:51.040 drunk drunk. It was like people started leaving. 2:03:51.040 --> 2:03:55.360 It was people were drunk, but the service was not 2:03:56.000 --> 2:03:59.440 traditional in any way, I would say, And we all 2:03:59.520 --> 2:04:01.960 wore dollful clothes and stuff like that. I think the 2:04:02.160 --> 2:04:05.760 idea of all black is kind of outdated. I think 2:04:05.840 --> 2:04:08.680 most people like to do celebrations of life now versus 2:04:08.840 --> 2:04:13.440 like memorial. I like memorial and so I like I 2:04:13.600 --> 2:04:16.160 kind of I like that, and I understand the black 2:04:16.360 --> 2:04:20.760 and if that's comfortable, but it was nice people wearing 2:04:20.840 --> 2:04:23.120 what they should wear or wanted to wear, or what 2:04:23.240 --> 2:04:26.440 he would wear. Yeah, because the last funeral I went to, 2:04:26.600 --> 2:04:28.320 like last year, a year and a half. I don't know, 2:04:28.480 --> 2:04:32.480 time flies, but people just wore what they wanted as well, 2:04:33.520 --> 2:04:36.280 I think. Yeah, but from clothes to cut. What I 2:04:36.360 --> 2:04:41.400 also learned is funeral start on time. Yeah, TikTok, and 2:04:41.600 --> 2:04:47.440 it starts sorry, funeral recap at the end this. Yeah, 2:04:47.520 --> 2:04:51.920 don't your drugs. Don't be a bad cop. I hope 2:04:51.960 --> 2:04:54.920 your babies stay alive. Don't use your fucking power. 2:04:55.240 --> 2:05:01.200 Yeah, and fuck yeah, that's I guess it's I guess 2:05:01.240 --> 2:05:03.640 it's okay that they're swabbing my breast milk at the 2:05:03.680 --> 2:05:06.240 airport to make sure that I'm not smuggling cocaine. 2:05:06.920 --> 2:05:10.360 Oh my god. So like I whatever, I had my 2:05:10.440 --> 2:05:13.240 own designated security because I was flying nicely and it 2:05:13.320 --> 2:05:17.600 was virgin I don't know whatever, So like, hmmm, it 2:05:17.720 --> 2:05:19.920 was just me and this elderly couple. Of course I 2:05:20.040 --> 2:05:23.600 let them go first. They would not leave this woman alone. 2:05:23.680 --> 2:05:26.040 This bitch had to like get pulled out of her wheelchair. 2:05:26.080 --> 2:05:28.240 She's so old and hunched over the hump on her back. 2:05:28.520 --> 2:05:31.879 Huge right, like this woman is at least in her nineties, 2:05:32.040 --> 2:05:35.240 like so old, could barely get out of this wheelchair, 2:05:35.680 --> 2:05:37.080 and then they have to put her in the thing, 2:05:37.200 --> 2:05:40.000 you know, the scanner thing, and then they it took 2:05:40.080 --> 2:05:41.600 five or six times, like they would. 2:05:41.800 --> 2:05:42.360 Just let her go. 2:05:43.160 --> 2:05:46.360 It's not her her foot wasn't directly on the thing, 2:05:46.680 --> 2:05:48.760 so they kept having to push her foot over, and 2:05:48.880 --> 2:05:51.400 she can't hear anything, she can't move her legs. She's 2:05:51.440 --> 2:05:54.160 in her goddamn nine am. And I was standing there 2:05:54.480 --> 2:05:56.760 and it probably looks like I was impatient with the elderly. 2:05:57.200 --> 2:05:59.200 I was impatient with the staff where I was like, 2:05:59.400 --> 2:06:02.120 let her go, and then they wouldn't let her sit 2:06:02.200 --> 2:06:04.760 back in her wheelchair because it was it had to 2:06:04.840 --> 2:06:07.440 still get scammed through. And I'm like, you guys are losers. 2:06:07.520 --> 2:06:12.520 You're losers, true losers. They're like, now, please spread your 2:06:12.640 --> 2:06:16.880 arm higher, and it's like she can't. She's barely being 2:06:16.920 --> 2:06:20.280 all together. She had bandages all over her wrists, like 2:06:20.400 --> 2:06:24.520 this was just a really dilapidated woman. They wouldn't they 2:06:25.200 --> 2:06:27.920 her SKIS security screening I would take, say it took 2:06:28.000 --> 2:06:31.000 like fifteen minutes. They would not. They would not easy. 2:06:31.080 --> 2:06:32.240 I just sing. 2:06:32.960 --> 2:06:35.240 But if you're a drug dealer, how smart you just 2:06:35.440 --> 2:06:38.000 get an old lady in there? You just fill her 2:06:38.120 --> 2:06:40.680 up with little baggies of heroine and you send her through. 2:06:41.240 --> 2:06:44.600 I guess I'm obviously having so much like internal stress 2:06:44.680 --> 2:06:46.480 right now. Of like, did we talk too much about 2:06:46.520 --> 2:06:49.240 the met gallo with no content? Do we just raise names? 2:06:49.920 --> 2:06:52.920 Just lists of movies? This whole episode is just like lists. 2:06:54.640 --> 2:06:57.840 Listen, I think everyone knows what this is by now. 2:06:58.560 --> 2:07:02.440 But let's let's get into our what would Sister Peg Do? 2:07:02.680 --> 2:07:04.440 For this week's what would Mister Peg Do? Which is 2:07:04.480 --> 2:07:07.880 our weekly segment where we direct you towards more information 2:07:08.040 --> 2:07:10.960 about what we talked about in today's EP. I wanted 2:07:11.000 --> 2:07:13.240 to point you to the documentary that I mentioned. It's 2:07:13.240 --> 2:07:16.520 a twenty fourteen documentary called The seven to five. This 2:07:16.760 --> 2:07:19.320 is a doc all about the crimes of Michael Daoud, 2:07:19.400 --> 2:07:23.400 a corrupt NYPD officer who was once labeled the dirtiest 2:07:23.480 --> 2:07:26.600 cop ever. He is featured in the movie as well 2:07:26.720 --> 2:07:29.040 as the cops that tried to take him down, and 2:07:29.160 --> 2:07:31.880 the title refers to the seventy fifth Precinct of the 2:07:32.040 --> 2:07:34.280 NYPD during the nineteen eighties, which was one of the 2:07:34.320 --> 2:07:37.800 most corrupt precincts pretty much ever. So I think it's 2:07:38.280 --> 2:07:41.440 interesting to watch something like this, especially now, and just 2:07:41.520 --> 2:07:44.520 see how corruption can kind of blossom in a department. 2:07:45.000 --> 2:07:49.320 And yeah, it will post the link. It's available on 2:07:49.600 --> 2:07:52.760 like Apple, it might be on Amazon, on Netflix, it 2:07:52.840 --> 2:07:54.880 might be available in your country. It's not available in 2:07:54.920 --> 2:07:57.040 the US right now. If you live outside the US, 2:07:57.160 --> 2:07:59.360 good for you, and you might have access to this doc. 2:07:59.680 --> 2:08:01.760 But we'll have a link to this in the story 2:08:01.880 --> 2:08:05.560 that goes out the day this episode airs, and then 2:08:05.600 --> 2:08:09.040 it will always be saved in our WWSPD highlights on 2:08:09.080 --> 2:08:11.680 our Instagram page, which is that s messed Up pod. 2:08:11.960 --> 2:08:15.000 And if you don't follow us on Instagram, you are 2:08:15.120 --> 2:08:18.840 missing out on the fully exhaustive list of all the 2:08:18.960 --> 2:08:22.400 Tommies that our Tommy correspondent Christina put together. 2:08:22.800 --> 2:08:23.560 Shout out to her. 2:08:23.920 --> 2:08:27.200 She put together a full list, multiple pages, of every 2:08:27.320 --> 2:08:32.320 single Tommy from the SVUW universe, and honestly, the only 2:08:32.440 --> 2:08:34.160 thing shocking is that there hasn't been a Tommy in 2:08:34.240 --> 2:08:37.040 seasons twenty three, twenty four to twenty five, or currently 2:08:37.040 --> 2:08:39.560 in twenty six, except I guess for McGrath you could 2:08:39.600 --> 2:08:41.080 count he's in a bunch of those seasons, so I 2:08:41.120 --> 2:08:43.560 guess you could say every season has a Tommy except 2:08:43.600 --> 2:08:46.160 for five. So go to our instagram for more little 2:08:46.240 --> 2:08:46.840 gems like that. 2:08:47.640 --> 2:08:50.320 Oh god, you know, it was like talking to someone 2:08:50.360 --> 2:08:54.400 about the documentary I watched with the Submarine, the Submarine Murder, 2:08:54.520 --> 2:08:56.879 you know, and they're like, oh, is this for your podcast? 2:08:56.960 --> 2:08:59.760 I go no, it was just a pleasure to watch. 2:09:00.440 --> 2:09:08.800 It was free watch. Yeah, Oh god, just keeping up 2:09:08.840 --> 2:09:12.800 on all the horrors, on all the horrors. We appreciate 2:09:12.880 --> 2:09:16.160 all of you obviously for listening, and I love meeting 2:09:16.200 --> 2:09:18.240 you guys when you know we're all on the road 2:09:18.320 --> 2:09:22.400 and everything. And next week we'll have another episode Pandora 2:09:23.200 --> 2:09:27.320 season four, episode fifteen, So come on down, get ready 2:09:27.400 --> 2:09:29.040 for Prague Bitches. 2:09:29.600 --> 2:09:32.600 Back to back season four EPs, get into it. Thank 2:09:32.640 --> 2:09:34.560 you guys so much for listening. We'll see you next week. 2:09:42.960 --> 2:09:45.120 That's Messed Up as an exactly right production. 2:09:45.560 --> 2:09:47.600 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 2:09:47.720 --> 2:09:49.960 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 2:09:50.000 --> 2:09:53.280 it That's messed uppod at gmail dot com. 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