Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Overcover Podcast. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Jedda Kalopez. Thank you guys so much for choosing to
Speaker 1: watch and listen to this episode. Today, I have very
Speaker 1: special guests which I'm excited to share with you. Guys.
Speaker 1: This might be a little bit more personal. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly where this conversation is going to go because
Speaker 1: I just want to be as vulnerable and honest as possible.
Speaker 1: But they are my pastors Justice and Maria Coleman of
Speaker 1: Freedom Church. To be honest, I've kept Freedom a secret
Speaker 1: from people in general, and maybe that's a bad thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, but because I've like, I find it
Speaker 1: such a sacred space and a home that I would
Speaker 1: like to keep it protected. I don't keep it away
Speaker 1: from my friends because you know, everybody needs salvation. I
Speaker 1: don't have a selfish and I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 1: the whole world to know where I'm going or you know,
Speaker 1: follow me. But last week I talked about it with
Speaker 1: the person that actually invited me, to not invite me,
Speaker 1: but showed me freedom. His name is Dom and he goes.
Speaker 1: He's part of whatever you do on Mondays with the boys.
Speaker 2: Oh we call it man code Monday. Yes, we have
Speaker 2: a boot camp Forgot.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly. He says that he's been going there whatever.
Speaker 1: But anyways, it has been an amazing space for me.
Speaker 1: And as like I talked, prior, finding a church and
Speaker 1: calling it a home has been very traumatizing. You know,
Speaker 1: grew up in Hispanic churches. Like how I explained, it
Speaker 1: is very and I have a very dominant Latin community
Speaker 1: watching and I know you're Latina too, and you.
Speaker 2: Know, get a little street. I have three kids and wife.
Speaker 2: When I get up from the seat, they can take
Speaker 2: my seat, how's it? And they go and I go,
Speaker 2: give my seat and they go, Dad, that's the Mexican rule.
Speaker 2: They take my seat and I and I have nothing
Speaker 2: to say because I guess I'm not allowed to just
Speaker 2: take seats and they can take my seat. It's the rule.
Speaker 2: It's the rule.
Speaker 1: But it is like and I'm sure you guys are familiar,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that people that have gone to Freedom
Speaker 1: to have shared their experiences in Hispanic churches. But long
Speaker 1: story short, it is very hard to connect with pastors
Speaker 1: and for you guys to be in my home and
Speaker 1: my space today means a lot to me.
Speaker 2: So thanks what an honor.
Speaker 1: You guys have busy schedules, so honored, and you know,
Speaker 1: you guys have a whole church to run, manage and
Speaker 1: all that, Like I get it. But sometimes growing up
Speaker 1: it felt like they were unreachable, like they were the
Speaker 1: celebrities that you couldn't go and talk to them, or
Speaker 1: that they wanted something.
Speaker 2: From you, you know, and the two opposite vibes that
Speaker 2: Jesus would put out exactly, like if Jesus was the
Speaker 2: pastor of the church, or if he was leading a
Speaker 2: community of faith, he would be the most approachable person, right,
Speaker 2: and he wouldn't be trying to take from you who
Speaker 2: be trying to get exactly right. He wouldn't try to
Speaker 2: be served, He would try to serve right like the
Speaker 2: two opposite vibes tend to be associated sometimes with pastors.
Speaker 1: Which exactly which is why I feel so comfortable and
Speaker 1: safe with you guys, even with the minimal conversations that
Speaker 1: we've had, Like you guys have made it so relatable
Speaker 1: and so again comfortable to be in a church and
Speaker 1: to be I don't want to say, like like you
Speaker 1: can you don't have to be the most holiest person
Speaker 1: in that room, like you like, it's you guys, don't
Speaker 1: shove it down. Their throats are like tithe, tithe, tithe
Speaker 1: either like or you know, demanding certain things like you
Speaker 1: guys just make it a safe space. And I want
Speaker 1: to know, like, as pastors or even as your guys'
Speaker 1: experience is opening up a church, have you made that
Speaker 1: a point intentionally or was it just kind of how
Speaker 1: it flowed or you know what, what was the main
Speaker 1: thing that you guys wanted to make a difference for freedom?
Speaker 2: Well, so I was trained in a Hispanic church. So
Speaker 2: my wife's dad was.
Speaker 1: The past He really wants to be Hispanic.
Speaker 2: Okay, guys Africa. Jeez, guys, my back hurts because someone
Speaker 2: give me some vapor rub I need to see. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well are you want to say correctly? Yeah? Yeah, So
Speaker 2: I was trained at Hispanic church. I was like, I
Speaker 2: was really, I think, the only white guy in the church.
Speaker 2: But loved it so much, loved all the people. Didn't
Speaker 2: love going to church for two hours though, two and
Speaker 2: a half hours sometimes three. How long were church services
Speaker 2: when you grew up?
Speaker 1: They were long. We would have these things called yes right, yes,
Speaker 1: there all night vigil Yeah, there all night worshiping which
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 2: No food, just fasting, praying menu though in the morning, yeah, candles,
Speaker 2: candles pretty much.
Speaker 1: Candles. It was just dark worshiping, just the whole night. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I didn't like the long services. That was
Speaker 2: the only thing. I I also didn't like have to
Speaker 2: wear dress clothes every week.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I got to do the announcements every week, which
Speaker 2: you know in the Hispanic church, that's kind of the
Speaker 2: big deal, right we did you give the announcements. It's
Speaker 2: not exactly preacher from the Bible, but if you get
Speaker 2: to say, you know, the youth croup fundraisers coming up
Speaker 2: or And I remember I showed up and uh, I
Speaker 2: had vans on, like checkered vans, and I gave the announcements,
Speaker 2: and afterward my pastor called me in his office and
Speaker 2: he's like, hey, you know, we're just gonna have Sister
Speaker 2: so and so do the announcements from now on. And
Speaker 2: I was like, man, okay, and I walked out, and
Speaker 2: then I walked back in and I said, Pastor ca
Speaker 2: asked you a question, is this because I was wearing
Speaker 2: vans today and not dress shoes, And he's like yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, I actually went to go pick up
Speaker 2: some kids and bring them to church on the way here,
Speaker 2: and I was in a hurry. I was like, if
Speaker 2: I wear dress shoes, can I still do the announcements?
Speaker 2: He's like you, and then he bestowed back, He bestowed
Speaker 2: upon me the right to do so. The long services
Speaker 2: and the wearing dress clothes was the only other than that.
Speaker 2: Other than that, I loved every single thing else about church.
Speaker 2: I still love church to this day. I've seen so
Speaker 2: many lives changed. You're just tell me about your life
Speaker 2: being changed at church. And I just think that when
Speaker 2: you get the right people around you, right and you
Speaker 2: focus on the right things, and for us that's Jesus man,
Speaker 2: a lot of amazing things can happen because you're going
Speaker 2: the same direction as people. You kind of have a
Speaker 2: goal to transform together to be this best version of yourself, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, is how God already sees us, so
Speaker 2: he's helping us with that. So yeah, I think I
Speaker 2: didn't start a church with Maria saying how are we
Speaker 2: not going to do things? Because sometimes people are like
Speaker 2: they start our church, because it was like, Hey, I
Speaker 2: love all this, but I want to make sure to
Speaker 2: do this other version. I just wanted to have a
Speaker 2: church where people who were far from God could come.
Speaker 2: And we started a church in our apartment with seven friends.
Speaker 2: I mean, Marie can tell you the story on that.
Speaker 2: But it was not about being not about being something
Speaker 2: that we wasn't like doing something new or better.
Speaker 1: I think too.
Speaker 3: We both grew up in church, so we were used
Speaker 3: to certain traditions and things that were so programmed in
Speaker 3: us that we didn't even think about them. It was
Speaker 3: just how things have always been. Yeah, And so when
Speaker 3: we were going to start the we were young, we
Speaker 3: were twenty six years old, and we really went on
Speaker 3: like a quest to just read the Bible and was like,
Speaker 3: what are the things that just are true to like
Speaker 3: the early Church, the things that like, you know, why
Speaker 3: do we pass communion in gold plates with red felt
Speaker 3: on the bottom?
Speaker 2: Like where did that come from? Gold plates that are
Speaker 2: not real gold? Like it would make sense if it was,
Speaker 2: Like I remember the first time the gold plate came by,
Speaker 2: I'm like that looks heavy, heavy, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is this is a fake gold plate.
Speaker 3: So then we just started thinking, like what what's the
Speaker 3: simplest form of the message of Jesus, And like if
Speaker 3: we took everything elsewey, what are the things.
Speaker 2: That we have to get right right?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, what are the things that
Speaker 3: kind of because we grew up in churches and we
Speaker 3: loved them, but we realize our friends that were far
Speaker 3: from Christ, they felt like they couldn't come in, They
Speaker 3: felt alienated, they felt like, I'm gonna burn when I
Speaker 3: walk in, and.
Speaker 2: My friend's still tell me that.
Speaker 3: You know, the traditions just kept people away, and so
Speaker 3: we just were so burdened. We're like, we have we
Speaker 3: know the answer.
Speaker 2: We have hope.
Speaker 3: His name's Jesus, and we experienced him through this this
Speaker 3: place called the church, and it's beautiful, but there's like
Speaker 3: this wedge. So how do we get the wedge out
Speaker 3: of the way so that anyone can come experience Jesus?
Speaker 3: And so that was kind of like our quests in
Speaker 3: the beginning. It's like what things are necessary and what
Speaker 3: things aren't, what things are biblical.
Speaker 2: This friend who had really really bad mental health struggle,
Speaker 2: and I remember actually he called me one night when
Speaker 2: when he had kind of come to the end of
Speaker 2: his rope literally, I mean it was and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta get this guy's life. I mean,
Speaker 2: I just know if I can just get them in church,
Speaker 2: you know. And so he's finally came out of like
Speaker 2: obligation like fine, I'll come. You know, you were there
Speaker 2: for me and my trust stuff, this moment type of thing.
Speaker 2: So I bring them in like so many times, I'm
Speaker 2: like leaning over your shoulder, like explaining what we're doing,
Speaker 2: like this part means this and this is why we
Speaker 2: do this. And I realized, Wow, we have made something
Speaker 2: that's supposed to be so uncomplicated complex for people. And
Speaker 2: they're like dawned on me because I was like God
Speaker 2: never intended faith to be complicated. This is supposed to
Speaker 2: be the most simple thing, not easiest thing. It's not
Speaker 2: easy to follow Jesus. Being a Christian is the hardest
Speaker 2: thing you'll ever do. But he gives you the Holy
Speaker 2: Spirit to help because it's hard. But we we do
Speaker 2: make things unnecessarily complicated. And like we were doing. I
Speaker 2: remember what we were doing, and he's like, I need
Speaker 2: a cigarette, And he got up and left and went
Speaker 2: outside smoked. He never came back, you know, but I
Speaker 2: remember he showed up with like because he had tattoos
Speaker 2: all the way down to his ankle, his wrists, and
Speaker 2: he had like he had like a flannel all the
Speaker 2: way down. He was hiding all the tattoos, and like
Speaker 2: he felt so uncomfortable. And I'm like, I wonder what
Speaker 2: would happen if we could just get all of these
Speaker 2: barriers out of the way and just let God do
Speaker 2: what God wants to do when he loves somebody. I think,
Speaker 2: I think even to this day, I'm still kind of
Speaker 2: doing that at Freedom. I'm like, do we need to
Speaker 2: do that? Is that? Frankly? Is that making things more
Speaker 2: complicated for people? You know? So that's why our church
Speaker 2: service is like only an hour long. Maybe because I
Speaker 2: have add I don't know, but I feel like an
Speaker 2: hour is good, you know what? An hour of power? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I call.
Speaker 1: It, which I like and appreciate, which even like parts
Speaker 1: of me, my little growing up. I'm like, maybe you
Speaker 1: can go just a little bit longer, a little bit more, But.
Speaker 3: Then I'm like, no, then it's just like it's better
Speaker 3: if you like want more and you have to leave
Speaker 3: as opposed to like.
Speaker 2: But honestly, you guys are ladies, and I'm sure you
Speaker 2: love to sing songs, and you know my friends that
Speaker 2: I bring for my jiu jitsu class or from wherever
Speaker 2: they don't want to sing. You know, I'm just like
Speaker 2: when I'm saying next to them singing, which is awkward.
Speaker 2: I'm just next to another dude just singing, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, hey, it's almost over. It's almost over,
Speaker 2: like always someone we're on.
Speaker 1: And I like what you mentioned, and you it's constant
Speaker 1: thing that you make it uncomplicated, because yeah, I not
Speaker 1: only do does the Bible get a little bit complicated
Speaker 1: for some and it's meant to be uncomplicated, but exactly
Speaker 1: think others how everyone every other person views Christians or
Speaker 1: let's say in this case me growing up pastors, they've
Speaker 1: made it complicated, you know, like again like being unreachable
Speaker 1: or the word like it's just when you're talking about
Speaker 1: a preaching or one verse and then the whole preaching
Speaker 1: is about something different about condemning you for certain things,
Speaker 1: and it's just like it pushes people away or the
Speaker 1: way that people live. And I feel like once you
Speaker 1: can dive deep into the word and you start realizing,
Speaker 1: like we're obviously born sinners, we're going to be sitting,
Speaker 1: we're going to be doing this, but it's we have
Speaker 1: God's grace, and I think a lot of people forget that,
Speaker 1: and or there's also the ones that take advantage of
Speaker 1: God's grace and kind of just let's just going to
Speaker 1: keep sitting in God's use.
Speaker 2: Perception of pastors. Oh, this is where I started interviewing you.
Speaker 2: I do every time, dude. The last time I was
Speaker 2: on a podcast was like, Hey, this is not your problem.
Speaker 2: I'm down a week. So yeah, do you think in
Speaker 2: your that's a generational thing like older pastors and the
Speaker 2: way they were raised and stuff, or do you think
Speaker 2: that's a why do you think that seems to be
Speaker 2: kind of the standard.
Speaker 1: It's generational way and honestly cultural.
Speaker 3: Right, So in Hispanic culture there is a culture of honor, honor, Right,
Speaker 3: you honor? Do you respect your elders, you honor your family?
Speaker 3: And so I think that plays a heavier hand in
Speaker 3: a Hispanic church. Yes, I think it plays a role
Speaker 3: in all churches. And I think that people do put
Speaker 3: pastors on a pedestal. Right, they don't put themselves. Maybe
Speaker 3: they put themselves, but some people will go like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're God's people, or.
Speaker 1: Like Catholics, when you walk into a Catholic church, you
Speaker 1: know the.
Speaker 2: Priest.
Speaker 1: The priest has a whole little entrance, and like it's
Speaker 1: just then they or in Christian ones, they take security.
Speaker 1: They're surrounded by security, and it's kind of just like
Speaker 1: like I don't think it's meant to be.
Speaker 2: Like that, well I think where that comes from.
Speaker 3: Sorry to get all Bible on us, but.
Speaker 2: You know, the Christian faith is a sect of Judaism, right.
Speaker 2: The Messiah came out of Juicuit, right, which is eastern.
Speaker 2: And the more east you go on the map, the
Speaker 2: more important honor is to society. Right, So whether it's
Speaker 2: Japanese culture, Asian cultures, or it's whether it's Jewish nature,
Speaker 2: so everything is about honor or it's about shame. Right.
Speaker 2: So you're like Solomon has a famous line in Proverbs,
Speaker 2: your reputation, Your reputation is more important than silver or gold.
Speaker 2: So like what people think about you, what people think
Speaker 2: about your family. Right, So like that's why that's why
Speaker 2: God would say he would bless to the thousandth generation
Speaker 2: or curse to generate, right, because for them it's like
Speaker 2: not about me, it's about my family, making my mom
Speaker 2: and dad look good, making our family name important. So
Speaker 2: it could be you could take something that like that
Speaker 2: and put that into church and it and it have
Speaker 2: a little bit of momentum with it because the practices
Speaker 2: are all kind of associated with honor shame. So and
Speaker 2: then if you look at Hispanic churches, it just kind
Speaker 2: of fits because in Latin culture that there's already an
Speaker 2: honor kind of dynamic there, right, or a shame dynamic,
Speaker 2: right so, and the same thing with Catholic Church. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of honor and shame there. So it all
Speaker 2: kind of like there's a little bit of like momentum
Speaker 2: there because of the roots of the Christian faith for
Speaker 2: good for bad.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go on a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: be right back with justice and Maria. Welcome back, you guys.
Speaker 1: It makes sense. And I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that the whole going I haven't going to look
Speaker 1: into I started a Bible college, by the way, Yeah
Speaker 1: I do online.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, you didn't. Are you doing the apologetics course
Speaker 2: or are you doing the theology course?
Speaker 1: Theology doing my course?
Speaker 2: Awesome?
Speaker 1: You know, just not in person because I missed, I
Speaker 1: missed the cutoff or whatever. Oh awesome, But either way,
Speaker 1: I started, but I started learning.
Speaker 2: Little things and I'm just like, next TIMEE on this podcast,
Speaker 2: when your body back, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you if you're still doing it all right?
Speaker 1: I got to complete all three like yes, little thing
Speaker 1: like if not, it's gonna bother me. So I worry.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it and hopefully somebody else does
Speaker 1: it like I can inspire the people. No, But the
Speaker 1: whole point of why I started it was because if
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in and you know, you guys
Speaker 1: taught me this, you know, but you guys showed me that,
Speaker 1: like how am I supposed to bring people more if
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm reading or what who God
Speaker 1: is or understanding on And the first thing that I
Speaker 1: learned was also in order to understand myself, I have
Speaker 1: to understand God. And even then, like we're not wholly
Speaker 1: going to understand.
Speaker 2: Him, well said, Well said? Do you feel like the
Speaker 2: Bible is complicated for people?
Speaker 1: I look, and I'm gonna be honest. I would only
Speaker 1: read it because I felt like I had to, Like.
Speaker 3: It's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: Check it out, Christian, I got to read my Bible today,
Speaker 1: check it off my list. But I understanding what I
Speaker 1: was reading, and then you said this Sunday obviously the
Speaker 1: soap method, which I have done at other churches before,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't really just like imagine reading a chapter
Speaker 1: and then all the whole chapter is naming all the
Speaker 1: kids and everybody's kids and the son of this, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, how am I supposed to dissect this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Whatever?
Speaker 2: But so I would get only there was an app
Speaker 2: or a bible that you I feel.
Speaker 1: Like what really shifted for me was also my relationship
Speaker 1: with God. Like I like I felt like because I
Speaker 1: had these situations with pastors, like it was if it
Speaker 1: was this hard getting connected with the pastor imagine getting
Speaker 1: connected with God. So I started switching in and really
Speaker 1: just I told myself this year, this is my year
Speaker 1: of surrender, Like I'm not like in any type of control,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what my plan is for work once this podcast podcast ends,
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? Like I don't know. It's exciting,
Speaker 1: you know, it's yeah, it's nerve wrecking. And I'm a
Speaker 1: control freak, Like I I micromanage. And I told myself, like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm at full surrender, and what am
Speaker 1: I How am I gonna learn or what am I
Speaker 1: gonna see? How am I gonna know? That the Spirit
Speaker 1: is talking to me like if I don't.
Speaker 2: Do great, thank you no.
Speaker 1: And my ultimate thing is like, Okay, I'm not the
Speaker 1: most perfect Christian and the most perfect I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody is. But if I have this platform, if I'm
Speaker 1: able to bring people to do something like, how am
Speaker 1: I gonna teach them correctly or show them correctly if
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm reading or what the
Speaker 1: Bible tells me. So that's why I started the Bible College.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have to under that I'm a nerd,
Speaker 1: like you know, I just I like to just I
Speaker 1: need to know things, and for my family too, Like
Speaker 1: that is one of the main things that I'm praying
Speaker 1: for this year. You know, We've been surrounded by everyone
Speaker 1: in my family's spiritual, not Christian, very two different things.
Speaker 1: Do I my glad that maybe that God is like
Speaker 1: the base the core, yes, of course, but the ideas
Speaker 1: of like you know, the rocks and the numerology and
Speaker 1: mentioning of like Freemasons and all this stuff. Like obviously
Speaker 1: we all know, like it just doesn't it's not gonna
Speaker 1: like it can't happen. You can't mix the two. So
Speaker 1: that is one of the things that I'm praying for.
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know what, like I need to
Speaker 1: do this in order to bring it to them, you know,
Speaker 1: the same way that my sister did it for me.
Speaker 1: My older sister is the one that actually, you know,
Speaker 1: me and her were committed to going to church. We
Speaker 1: would spend hours there. We wouldn't get home till one
Speaker 1: in the morning, and that would be in Woodier.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, so we lived where the girls are prettier there.
Speaker 1: Is my my uncle was a pastor there, and I'm
Speaker 1: grateful because obviously that's where my faith started and began,
Speaker 1: and you know, it felt like home because it was family.
Speaker 1: But then things happen, you know, you grow up and
Speaker 1: then just life and stuff and I just moved on.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was a worship I was part of
Speaker 1: the worship team. I was part of the dance team.
Speaker 2: Like I would serve whoa you used to lead worship?
Speaker 1: I would I wasn't a leader.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you were on the band, but you're not
Speaker 2: on my band. Wait a minute, an tell you we
Speaker 2: got four services a weekend, and you're not You're not
Speaker 2: saying we need that, we need you to need this gift.
Speaker 1: Okay, but let me tell you because I would go
Speaker 1: to another church and you weren't allowed on the team
Speaker 1: if you did X y Z outside of the church.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1: So it was like I'm not holy enough or I'm
Speaker 1: not like it's I get.
Speaker 2: Eaten alive for my decision. For people are always like
Speaker 2: pastors criticized me so much, I mean for everything, But dude,
Speaker 2: I'm always like, I don't like I think that if
Speaker 2: someone's got a gift, like that might be the way
Speaker 2: that they learn how to connect with God is with
Speaker 2: the gift. Because you said something so wise. You said
Speaker 2: like when we get to know who God is, then
Speaker 2: we find ourselves. Right, And that's the exact opposite of
Speaker 2: what the world says. Right, Like all the advice we've
Speaker 2: heard growing up was like go into the world and
Speaker 2: go find yourself.
Speaker 3: I need a year to go find myself.
Speaker 2: And always telling people you're not as lost as you think,
Speaker 2: Like you don't need to go somewhere to go find yourself.
Speaker 2: When you encounter God, you when you get to know God, right,
Speaker 2: you are made in his image, all of us are.
Speaker 2: So you get to know more about him, you start
Speaker 2: to realize, oh, he's designed me for something, Like I
Speaker 2: was made for a purpose. He says in Proverbs that
Speaker 2: God makes nothing without a purpose. Everything God makes has
Speaker 2: a purpose. So when we start to get to know God,
Speaker 2: we start to realize, oh, wait a minute, I'm here
Speaker 2: for a purpose. He's designed me for something. These gifts
Speaker 2: that he's given me, these interests, he's given me, the
Speaker 2: things that I'm good at, even the things that I'm
Speaker 2: not good at. Right, my personality, a lot of these
Speaker 2: are all things that God is like put together for
Speaker 2: his purpose. Right. But what we do is we start
Speaker 2: going like, what's God's plan for my life? And what's
Speaker 2: my plan and my plan? And we forget that, Like
Speaker 2: there's no quicker way to get lost than to start
Speaker 2: focusing on yourself like that exactly. But when you get
Speaker 2: to know God, it happens faster than you know. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I made in his image. He's made me for a purpose,
Speaker 2: and everything starts to come together. So I always tell people,
Speaker 2: don't go into the world to find yourself. Find God.
Speaker 2: He's your creator, you know. It's your his image, you're
Speaker 2: made and he will he'll help you find it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's such a great day. I've been a part
Speaker 2: of so many people discovering their purpose. Like the guy
Speaker 2: right now who's teaching, one of the new teachers in
Speaker 2: our Bible college, Like he was an atheist two years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, right, and he was just like he's a
Speaker 2: teacher and he just was so he was so analytical
Speaker 2: and cerebral and like so brilliant, and he just kept
Speaker 2: doing the search and he's like, there's got to be
Speaker 2: more to this, more to this. And he was reading
Speaker 2: all these anti Christian atheist stuff just trying to disprove God.
Speaker 2: He like this, this is not satiating. I know there's something.
Speaker 2: He winds up leading himself to the idea that there's
Speaker 2: a creator. Okay, there's intelligent design behind this. And he
Speaker 2: starts going through the Bible. He's like, man, the Bible
Speaker 2: is trustworthy. This is a miracle. Then he gets all
Speaker 2: the way to Jesus and he's like, man, Jesus actually
Speaker 2: is God come to earth, you know. And he gets
Speaker 2: the whole thing. And now he's in this purpose. He's teaching,
Speaker 2: he's taking other people along that journey. But how many
Speaker 2: of us like go through a tough time and then
Speaker 2: we go, Man, if I was God, I never would
Speaker 2: have let that happened to me. I never would have
Speaker 2: let that happened to me. Where was God when that
Speaker 2: happened to me? But it's so shortsighted of us because
Speaker 2: we have to see that God can take even the
Speaker 2: worst things that happened to us and he can use
Speaker 2: those for his absolutely goodness. I agree he cannot waste
Speaker 2: the pain. You know people are all the time is
Speaker 2: like everything happens for a reason, and people criticize me
Speaker 2: because I go I don't think so. I don't think
Speaker 2: everything happens for a reason. I don't think because my
Speaker 2: best friend died from an overdose when I was nineteen
Speaker 2: that God did that or that happened for a reason.
Speaker 2: I think that what happened at nineteen was I turned
Speaker 2: my life over to God because I thought God can
Speaker 2: do something with my life. And use the word surrender, right,
Speaker 2: I surrender to God, and now I can be used
Speaker 2: for a purpose, or that pain can be used for
Speaker 2: a purpose. But to start saying that God did that
Speaker 2: for a reason is a pretty awful thing. To tell people, right,
Speaker 2: so everything doesn't happen for a reason, but it could
Speaker 2: happen for God's purpose if we'll let it, if we'll
Speaker 2: give it to God, you know. And so helping people
Speaker 2: find the purpose oftentimes has to do with looking at
Speaker 2: your gifts, looking at your pain, looking at these things
Speaker 2: that have happened in your life, and go, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: if God can do anything, what could he do with
Speaker 2: all of this?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 2: But you're not going to find that in the world.
Speaker 2: You're not going to go out there and find that
Speaker 2: in the world. He's a good God and you can
Speaker 2: trust him, and we don't understand a lot of the
Speaker 2: things of what he does. We'll get to ask him
Speaker 2: one day. But but there's a lot of purpose, I believe.
Speaker 2: There's the day that you meet Jesus, which is the
Speaker 2: most exciting day in the world. It's like I'm no
Speaker 2: longer I'm forgiven of all these things that I've done.
Speaker 2: And you know, we've all hurt people, we've hit ourselves,
Speaker 2: you know, and you're like, wow, like I'm forgiven. But
Speaker 2: then there's the day that you find out why He
Speaker 2: saved you. Like there are big things and there's great
Speaker 2: purposes in store.
Speaker 1: For your life, which I feel like I'm in that
Speaker 1: space right now where like I'm like I've told you guys,
Speaker 1: I've been Christian since I was twelve. I remember the
Speaker 1: day that I was saved. But I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: there's like levels each time. Yeah, like I'm getting to
Speaker 1: know God in like different areas, like okay, cool, my
Speaker 1: mom passes away and that same day I still let worship.
Speaker 2: Stop it at fifteen, fifteen years old, did your pastor know?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That was the pastor was my uncle, my mom's brother.
Speaker 2: You're well, hold on, Yeah, your mom passed away.
Speaker 1: In a planet on a Sunday. Yeah, and you.
Speaker 2: Get a phone call you're fifteen, and then your pastor
Speaker 2: tells you to lead worship.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't tell me.
Speaker 2: I still chose to. Oh wow, that's a totally different thing. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I still chose to. We still because at that time
Speaker 1: that Sunday, it was the plane is lost. We don't
Speaker 1: know where she's at. It wasn't that she had passed
Speaker 1: away yet.
Speaker 2: So why did you do that that day?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just did.
Speaker 2: What do you think I think?
Speaker 1: I don't I I think that was the only I
Speaker 1: just knew that God was the only thing that's gonna
Speaker 1: maybe bring her back. That was the only like okay, God,
Speaker 1: Like that was my surrender at that time, Like okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this is it. Ultimately it wasn't that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that she you know, she didn't come back
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I still, like I feel like now
Speaker 1: in this space of my life, I'm twenty seven years old,
Speaker 1: like and I feel like I'm I just got saved again. Heck,
Speaker 1: you know, but I've been like when I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I've been like Christian every day. I play my worship
Speaker 1: music every day, Like, yes, I felt like I've smoked,
Speaker 1: I've drunk, I've cursed it. You know I've done I've.
Speaker 2: Cursed you know what I mean. Like you still curse
Speaker 2: texta worship team. You can't sing on the worship team.
Speaker 2: You can't sing, she curses.
Speaker 1: But those are things that people have said. And that's
Speaker 1: my sister too. My sister was a worship the actual
Speaker 1: worship leader at it at some point.
Speaker 2: And where's your sister now?
Speaker 1: My sister, Well, one of them lives like down the
Speaker 1: street right here, but the other one lives.
Speaker 2: Pretty far, but she ever come to freedom.
Speaker 1: She went one time, but I'll share that after that.
Speaker 1: After no, not that it was it, but you know,
Speaker 1: I was just really excited that it was either going
Speaker 1: to be one of you and then it wasn't.
Speaker 2: She came on a day when we weren't preaching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I mean it was good. It was good.
Speaker 2: Did she like the donuts?
Speaker 1: The kids did?
Speaker 2: Okay, we get free donuts.
Speaker 1: But as I was saying, like, I like, I'm like
Speaker 1: learning again and again. Is it the same for you guys?
Speaker 1: Like as pastors like, do you feel like your faith
Speaker 1: and you know, you guys are growing continually continuously.
Speaker 3: I would say that the longer I know Jesus, the
Speaker 3: sweeter he grows. That's an old hymn and I like
Speaker 3: quote it all the time.
Speaker 2: Beautiful.
Speaker 3: I didn't come up with that, but my grandparents used
Speaker 3: to pay this song like the longer I serve Him,
Speaker 3: the sweeter he grows, and so there's always more of
Speaker 3: God available, And the longer I serve him, the deeper
Speaker 3: relationship gets. But the other thing that is so important
Speaker 3: to my faith is walking with people that are experiencing
Speaker 3: Him for the first time.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, like.
Speaker 3: That also reignites my faith because you know when you
Speaker 3: were married, right, we've almost been married twenty years. That's
Speaker 3: a long time. Yeah, you know, and like our relationship
Speaker 3: has deepened and grown in awesome ways. But it's not
Speaker 3: like when we first met and it was like, oh
Speaker 3: my God, I can't I have to see him and
Speaker 3: I you know, it's deeper than that, but it's so
Speaker 3: stop anyway, So it grows. It's beautiful, there's more of him.
Speaker 3: There's always more of God because he's so big. But
Speaker 3: one thing that is so important to following Jesus as
Speaker 3: having seeing people have their first moments with him, like
Speaker 3: getting to be with people when they're baptized or them
Speaker 3: encountering Jesus for the first time. It like almost makes
Speaker 3: me like fall in love with him all over again,
Speaker 3: you know. And so yes, and then paired with like
Speaker 3: getting to see you know, we get a front row
Speaker 3: to people seeing you know, getting to see people encounter Jesus.
Speaker 3: And that's why we started the church. We were like,
Speaker 3: we have friends that are lost and need hope and
Speaker 3: need Jesus and he's everything to us. And so getting
Speaker 3: to start something and do something where people get to
Speaker 3: encounter him is just it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I think that's beautiful because it's
Speaker 1: something so indescribable and I've I feel like, no matter
Speaker 1: how much we talk about it, people have to experience
Speaker 1: it for themselves, you know. And that's why like I
Speaker 1: get like seeing my friends and I'm just like I'm
Speaker 1: finally you guys are understanding me, like I can see
Speaker 1: what I'm feeling or you guys know like what this
Speaker 1: feels like, and you could start paying a touch to
Speaker 1: the cues like is this like God speaking to you
Speaker 1: or is it something else? Like like it brings such
Speaker 1: like fulfillment and it's like okay, Like then you start
Speaker 1: feeling like, Okay, I do my job as a Christian,
Speaker 1: like you know, like I'm I'm doing enough. Although it's
Speaker 1: not that it's not the idea, but it's like okay,
Speaker 1: like I don't I could I could say that like wow,
Speaker 1: like I've I'm doing what God called me to do,
Speaker 1: like I'm actually fulfilling my purpose instead of just seeing
Speaker 1: it and not really understanding it.
Speaker 2: Or like you know, do you have a purpose statement yet?
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: A purpose statement kind of like like a mission statement
Speaker 2: but a purpose statement for your life where you like,
Speaker 2: you know, this is what I'm focused on, this is
Speaker 2: what I was created to do, this is what I'm
Speaker 2: all about. I don't seems like you're in that spot though, right,
Speaker 2: Like you said, you're surrendered. You have a lot of
Speaker 2: things not lined up next year because you're like really
Speaker 2: open to God leading away and you said you are
Speaker 2: more of a control freak by nature, and so it's
Speaker 2: very hard to trust God without planning things out. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm excited for you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. No, I appreciate it, and you know why,
Speaker 1: like I chose a surrender too, because I've also you know,
Speaker 1: get into the next little topic. I've also been single
Speaker 1: for a while, so I'm like, you know, what, were
Speaker 1: you married before? No, No, I was. It's you know,
Speaker 1: but it's just it's been a journey and I'm just
Speaker 1: I've I was like, you know what, instead of searching
Speaker 1: for it, I'm just going to let God handle it,
Speaker 1: you know. So I kind of want to know, Like
Speaker 1: there's been this saying or like I've heard people say
Speaker 1: Christians specifically like you'll know when you know, like you'll
Speaker 1: just know.
Speaker 2: So you know, we have a podcast. Yes, it's called
Speaker 2: The Uncomplicated Podcast, and people ask questions and then we
Speaker 2: talk about them and we you know, and the audience
Speaker 2: is we try to make the audience like not Christians right,
Speaker 2: like try to just kind of make it right Christian
Speaker 2: and Jason, I guess you'd say whatever. And I am
Speaker 2: telling you the number one questions that we get is
Speaker 2: dating questions. Dating and marriage questions. We get that all
Speaker 2: day long. And look, by the grace of God, we've
Speaker 2: been married almost twenty years. I do think we have
Speaker 2: a great marriage. I mean, clearly after what she just said.
Speaker 2: You know, I know that I love her more than
Speaker 2: she loves me. You know, not true. She's a little
Speaker 2: hot and cold over here. I'm always hot. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that people who are twenty seven years old,
Speaker 2: like yourself or maybe even whatever age, there's like this
Speaker 2: sense like, Okay, as exciting as it is to have
Speaker 2: all the different relationships are be be free. Like there's
Speaker 2: a lot, there's like a deep kind of like I
Speaker 2: want to be a mom. I want to have kids,
Speaker 2: you know, I want to I want there's just something
Speaker 2: in all I'm not in all of us, not in
Speaker 2: all of us. But remember that story in the Bible
Speaker 2: where God created this peron world. And then but Adam
Speaker 2: was by himself. Remember, He's like, then God made this
Speaker 2: and it was good. And he made this and it
Speaker 2: was good, and he made this one was good. And
Speaker 2: then the first thing that wasn't good was he goes,
Speaker 2: it's not good for man to be alone. Remember, and
Speaker 2: that's not just about marriage, that's about in general we
Speaker 2: need to have people around us, right. But for him
Speaker 2: it was like, all right, let's team you up with somebody.
Speaker 2: And the truth is that God is he is a
Speaker 2: team in a way. He's a father, he's a son,
Speaker 2: he's the Holy Spirit. So he is a relationship. So
Speaker 2: there's something about like becoming a reflection of God or
Speaker 2: something about like serving and loving another person that changes you. Right.
Speaker 2: So the whole marriage thing is a pretty awesome thing.
Speaker 2: And it's like, I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 2: they see it on the outside, They're like, I want
Speaker 2: to be married because I don't want to be alone, right,
Speaker 2: And sure, that's there. I'm trying to just affirm that
Speaker 2: like anybody who's watching who's like, hey, is it weird?
Speaker 2: I want to get married because I don't want to be alone.
Speaker 2: That's the oldest story the whole Bible. That's not a
Speaker 2: bad thing, right, But the other day, my my my
Speaker 2: friend of mine was marrying somebody and they weren't they
Speaker 2: weren't that into them, and I was like, I don't,
Speaker 2: are you sure you should be doing this? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: there's nothing worse than being alone, and I like grab
Speaker 2: my heart. I was like, yeah, there is something worse
Speaker 2: than being alone marrying the wrong person. I was like,
Speaker 2: don't do that, you know. And so yeah, for your
Speaker 2: question about like marriage and stuff like that, we have
Speaker 2: hours and hours of these questions and we love it
Speaker 2: because I think that's a big question everybody asks, you know,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that you're incomplete though without.
Speaker 1: Something No, no, no, of course not no. And I don't
Speaker 1: feel that way, which is which is a great place
Speaker 1: to be. I've just learned that obviously, this is my
Speaker 1: season of preparation and you know, God's preparing me for
Speaker 1: that time and same vice versa, Like I'm huge on
Speaker 1: praying for whoever my partner's going to be, my husband,
Speaker 1: like still be in like the same way preparing him me.
Speaker 1: I hope he's at church on a Sunday, you know, whatever. No,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to know. Did you know how
Speaker 1: did you know it was him? Because I know you
Speaker 1: gave him a hard time.
Speaker 2: She tried to break up me. Yeah, like you know twice.
Speaker 2: Get this letter on my face.
Speaker 3: So my story in short, was I used to be
Speaker 3: like into guys right, like the idea of love getting carerried.
Speaker 3: I was boy crazy and always thought like, oh, this
Speaker 3: could be the one because I grew up in church
Speaker 3: hearing there was the one, right and that's not a
Speaker 3: biblical term, but the one is a thing we heard often.
Speaker 3: I'm at church camp is the one up here? Like,
Speaker 3: And so I was always into someone kind of and
Speaker 3: I just I was in a relationship he was into
Speaker 3: himself more than he was into me. Broke my heart.
Speaker 3: Then I rebounded into the same thing, and I I
Speaker 3: just remember being so just. I had no self worth.
Speaker 3: My heart was broken. And then that's when the enemy
Speaker 3: lies to you and was like you're worthless, no one
Speaker 3: will ever love you. And then he just has to
Speaker 3: lie to you once and then you just have to
Speaker 3: cycle those thoughts in your head. And so here I
Speaker 3: am just broken, feeling like dirt, and the Lord spoke
Speaker 3: to me and it was actually through someone. I was
Speaker 3: at this church event for my friend and I was
Speaker 3: just volunteering. I was in Bible College and we had
Speaker 3: to get volunteer hours and so I was like ushering people.
Speaker 3: And it was a pastor from a different country and
Speaker 3: he was praying for people and the line was over
Speaker 3: and I was there, just okay, line's over, thank you,
Speaker 3: and he was like, can I pray for you? And
Speaker 3: I was like sure, and he put his hand on
Speaker 3: my head and like I just instantly felt the love
Speaker 3: of God and I don't like people touching me, so
Speaker 3: it was I knew it was the Lord because it
Speaker 3: wasn't like normally I'd be like, don't touch it. And
Speaker 3: he put his hand on my head and he was
Speaker 3: just like you've been hurt by two men. And he
Speaker 3: started reading my mail and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 3: what is he gonna say it? And I just begin
Speaker 3: to like cry and he's like, but the Lord wants
Speaker 3: you to know that he's preparing a man for you,
Speaker 3: and like this man will not hurt you. And he
Speaker 3: just went on and I was like, man, God loves
Speaker 3: me so much that there are people that are like
Speaker 3: going through like real trauma. Yet he loves me so
Speaker 3: much that he's going to speak to my little like
Speaker 3: broken heart. And I just walked out and made a
Speaker 3: decision that like I wasn't going to date anymore for
Speaker 3: a season, that like God told me he was preparing
Speaker 3: someone for me, and I was going to trust that
Speaker 3: and I wasn't going to like serial date anymore. And
Speaker 3: so I went on a journey, and let me tell you,
Speaker 3: that was not fun. All my friends were like engaged,
Speaker 3: they were all like in serious relationships. So on Saturday nights,
Speaker 3: I was like at home, I'm like, Okay, Lord, am
Speaker 3: I supposed to like read the Bible? This is lame?
Speaker 3: I am, you know, like I love you, but like,
Speaker 3: please honor this time that I'm living.
Speaker 1: I feel lonely and.
Speaker 2: Lame right now, Jesus.
Speaker 3: And I mean that season felt long. It probably wasn't
Speaker 3: as long as it felt. And then I think I
Speaker 3: went on like one date. My friend was like, Hey,
Speaker 3: this guy's great, blah blah blah. And then I just
Speaker 3: went out once and I was like, hey, this he's great,
Speaker 3: but this isn't it right? And so then it wasn't
Speaker 3: like I wasn't dating, because I.
Speaker 2: Even you didn't even date him because he had front
Speaker 2: row tickets to usher Kanye West. This time I had.
Speaker 3: I had tickets to usher Kanye.
Speaker 2: Tickets.
Speaker 1: We met like the.
Speaker 2: Next quesh she saw John Legend before he was even
Speaker 2: John Legends true row.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we're gonna go on a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: be right back with Justice and Maria. Welcome back you guys.
Speaker 3: So then I I met him and we were friends
Speaker 3: for almost a year. Like I was super tracted to him,
Speaker 3: but I was just like, I actually value him so
Speaker 3: much more as a friend that if we let it
Speaker 3: get romantic, I was worried it would ruin it. And
Speaker 3: so we just kind of pushed our feelings aside for
Speaker 3: a while. And then my grandma would be like, you
Speaker 3: guys are in love, and I'm like, no, Grandma, we're not,
Speaker 3: like we're best friends.
Speaker 2: And I mean, well, you heard something and you're saying
Speaker 2: the same thing about like being prepared. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that's important to have that mentality. Every time God uses
Speaker 2: somebody in the Bible, he prepares him first, think about it.
Speaker 2: Like Adam and Eve. Adam had to name all the
Speaker 2: animals in the garden, take care of the garden, and
Speaker 2: take care of before he met before God could trust
Speaker 2: him with a woman. Yeah, I mean that's kind of
Speaker 2: crazy to think about. He didn't create him at the
Speaker 2: same time. And then you go to the next one.
Speaker 2: It's like Noah right, building that arc, you know, all that,
Speaker 2: all that he'd prepare, all that before he was entrusted
Speaker 2: with like a whole new world. Right. And then you
Speaker 2: have Abraham. Right, he got this promise that he would
Speaker 2: be the father of many nations and his wife, but
Speaker 2: his wife didn't even have a baby till like one
Speaker 2: hundred something. Crazy. He had to wait like so many years,
Speaker 2: just keeping trusting that God, you know. So he's being prepared.
Speaker 2: So I think when God makes us wait, it's actually preparation.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times we think you could probably
Speaker 2: wait without being prepared, but that would be a waste
Speaker 2: a waiting season and a preparation season or probably the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that's exactly what I'm in
Speaker 1: right now. And I kind of just want to be
Speaker 1: that example also for others, because I feel like people
Speaker 1: just take whatever they take love or the attention and
Speaker 1: whatever feels good, right, whatever feels okay, uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: And I would say that time of preparation did help
Speaker 3: me make decisions because there was a moment where I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm madly in love with this guy. But
Speaker 3: then I was like, there's some things about your life
Speaker 3: at this moment that like, God's taken me this direction,
Speaker 3: and I don't see you heading.
Speaker 2: There go to church. I was like a Christian who
Speaker 2: didn't go to church.
Speaker 3: He would just barely given his life to Jesus, so
Speaker 3: he was cycling out all of this his old life.
Speaker 3: And I was like, look, I love you, like I'm
Speaker 3: madly in love with you, but God's taking me this way,
Speaker 3: and so if you're not coming this way, then this
Speaker 3: isn't gonna work.
Speaker 2: Do you imagine like if you go through a preparation
Speaker 2: or waiting season and you get so confident, like with
Speaker 2: you and God and who He's made you to be,
Speaker 2: that like you can actually make you can say things
Speaker 2: like that, well, and that was the Lord because I can't.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna. I'm not going to satisfy this immediate
Speaker 2: desire of loneliness or whatever it is, because I don't
Speaker 2: need you to complete me. I'm complete in Him. I
Speaker 2: don't need you to give me the affirmation or tell
Speaker 2: me who I am he already does that, right, you don't.
Speaker 2: My identity doesn't come from being in this relationship, Like
Speaker 2: I'm good, right, And I think if if we could
Speaker 2: all live like that, like I'm good without them, So
Speaker 2: when they come into their life, they come to math.
Speaker 2: I don't need something from you, exactly, But when two
Speaker 2: people need something from each other, that can be challenging, right,
Speaker 2: that can be very challenging. So, uh, it can it
Speaker 2: can turn pretty bad.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what you discover in your season
Speaker 1: of waiting and preparation, like discovering yourself and like being okay,
Speaker 1: which is being alone in exactly, and then also understanding
Speaker 1: what you're waiting for, the type of person that you're
Speaker 1: waiting for, like if you're not meeting me here or
Speaker 1: even above me, like I need you to like be
Speaker 1: better than I need you to have more faith than
Speaker 1: I do at this moment. You know, like I don't
Speaker 1: want to feel like I'm the only one that's like.
Speaker 3: You don't want to feel like you're pulling him?
Speaker 2: AULD tell you so many stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is I think that I've learned to appreciate
Speaker 1: and be patient with myself and understand God in this
Speaker 1: season although it is very very like it's frustrating.
Speaker 2: Girl. If God's got somebody great for you, he is
Speaker 2: worth the way. Absolutely, you're worth the way.
Speaker 1: I thank you so just yes, thank you God going
Speaker 1: to honor this.
Speaker 2: Sure, don't waste the weight. That's the name of the
Speaker 2: new message just came up. But don't waste the way.
Speaker 2: That's a good title.
Speaker 1: There, you know, there you go. No, but I've also
Speaker 1: been prophesied of, like you know this is X. Your
Speaker 1: husband's going to be this man.
Speaker 2: Six foot three? What?
Speaker 1: You know what? They didn't say that, but I hope
Speaker 1: so because I'm pretty every.
Speaker 2: Girl has a list of all the things? Right?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that allowed? Are you allowed to make a list
Speaker 2: of all the things?
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of girls have a list.
Speaker 1: Look, I feel like it's the desires of our hearts.
Speaker 1: I put it on a paper. These are the I'm
Speaker 1: praying for this. I am believing that God will give me.
Speaker 1: You know, it's fine if one thing's not out there,
Speaker 1: you know, but these are the things that I want,
Speaker 1: and I feel like God will fulfill that. Hey I do,
Speaker 1: I do, I knew whatever I mean. If not, I'm
Speaker 1: just then God will humble me. Then that's fine.
Speaker 2: Hey, you're his daughter and God loves you, and he's
Speaker 2: going to give his best to his daughter. But he
Speaker 2: might have to prepare the guy. Maybe the guy's not ready.
Speaker 2: See I wasn't ready. We're here, I'm still I'm still
Speaker 2: I'm in a deficit. God's She's still out of my league.
Speaker 2: It's still a situation where I'm trying to catch up.
Speaker 2: I got to be the man of God that she deserves,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And I think everyone is worthy and deserving of that,
Speaker 1: but obviously like understanding that it starts with God first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, And That's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 3: And you said, asked a question, how do you know? Like, yes,
Speaker 3: you know, how do you know? And everyone goes, you
Speaker 3: just know?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that's true. I mean I knew.
Speaker 3: I just there's this sense I'll call it maybe the
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit, even like confirming it is life perfect no,
Speaker 3: with everything perfect.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: But like I always tell people when they're like, how
Speaker 3: do you know, I'm like, can you live without that secret?
Speaker 3: And because a lot of the time people are settling, right,
Speaker 3: they don't be lonely, they want to start their lives,
Speaker 3: and so they feel like this is the catalyst for that.
Speaker 3: And I always tell them like can you live without them?
Speaker 3: And if they pause for even a second, I'm like,
Speaker 3: probably not the one, because you have to remember those
Speaker 3: moments where you're like, I cannot live without this person
Speaker 3: because marriage is hard, it is hard work, it is
Speaker 3: sad daily sacrifice, and you have to go back to
Speaker 3: those moments of going like no, like I would have
Speaker 3: been heartbroken if I had to live without this person.
Speaker 3: And so I always when people go I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if they're the one, I'm like, can you live without them?
Speaker 3: And if they're like and they pause, I'm like, maybe
Speaker 3: maybe they're not the person, because there was a moment
Speaker 3: where it's like I cannot live without this person in
Speaker 3: my life. You see, there was a moment I'm madly
Speaker 3: in love with this.
Speaker 1: Okay. I usually keep the podcast a little bit like
Speaker 1: condensed in short, so well, we're gonna end it a
Speaker 1: little bit. But I always ask this to everybody, even
Speaker 1: my friends. We always have like debates, if you could
Speaker 1: ask God one question, we're getting to the like that's it,
Speaker 1: we're already there, right, or you already have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to ask God two questions. What are you asking him?
Speaker 1: It could be whatever.
Speaker 2: First one is how am I doing so far?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: My being a good steward of what you've given me?
Speaker 1: Why do you struggle with feeling like you're like not
Speaker 1: enough or like you do?
Speaker 2: I think in life? The other day I was at
Speaker 2: the gym, talking to the same gym you go to.
Speaker 2: By the way, we go to the gym together. I
Speaker 2: never seen her there, probably because there's a guy section
Speaker 2: and I'm over in the guy section. I'm in the
Speaker 2: guy's section, and this guy says to me. He says,
Speaker 2: because you know, life's a game. And I stopped him
Speaker 2: and I was like, who told you life's a game?
Speaker 2: He's like, well, I said, Life's not a game. Life's
Speaker 2: a test. So we're going to stand before God at
Speaker 2: the end of our life, all of us. Everybody's watching here,
Speaker 2: all of us, and he's going to say what He's
Speaker 2: going to say, what be with that life? I gave you?
Speaker 2: I gave you that life? What did you know? We're
Speaker 2: going to answer for that, And in some level we're
Speaker 2: going to get a score. On some level, I don't
Speaker 2: know what it's going to look like. First we have
Speaker 2: to answer for what we did with Jesus. Like, if
Speaker 2: we rejected his son, Jesus, that's a bad day, Right,
Speaker 2: it's a bad day. You can't expect the story of
Speaker 2: Jesus to be true like that God would love you
Speaker 2: so much that he would give you his only son, right,
Speaker 2: that his son would live with perfectness in this life
Speaker 2: and then die on the cross on purpose, knowing full
Speaker 2: well that this was an opportunity to exchange his perfect
Speaker 2: life for our life full of mistakes and regrets and pain. Right,
Speaker 2: So this is Jesus volunteered. He gave his life on
Speaker 2: our behalf for us. Right, our faith is in what
Speaker 2: he did. It's not in what we did. It's not
Speaker 2: like we did good things so we got to heaven.
Speaker 2: That's not how it works. Is Jesus gave his life
Speaker 2: for us, and we put our faith in him, and
Speaker 2: then we lived in response to that. But we didn't
Speaker 2: earn our way to heaven. Technically, Jesus earned our way
Speaker 2: to heaven because he did all the things we couldn't do.
Speaker 2: So that death on the cross is huge. So if
Speaker 2: we reject his son, even though he died for us,
Speaker 2: that day is gonna be a bad day, we say
Speaker 2: before God, Right, but then the Bible says there's another
Speaker 2: part to that, So like that's like that right there
Speaker 2: depends on like am I gonna be with God forever
Speaker 2: or be away from God forever? But then after that,
Speaker 2: it's like, now we're gonna move on to the next
Speaker 2: thing he trust us with. And we don't know what
Speaker 2: that's like. We don't know what heaven's like. We don't know.
Speaker 2: We just know that God's going to restore the whole world.
Speaker 2: But Jesus tells all these parables about things to look
Speaker 2: forward to after this life, and he says, well done,
Speaker 2: good and faithful servant. I trusted you with a little.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna trust you with a lot. I want
Speaker 2: to hear those words. I want to hear well done, son.
Speaker 2: You did a good job with what I gave you. You
Speaker 2: prove I tested you, you proved it. Now I'm gonna
Speaker 2: put more in your hands. I'm gonna give you more.
Speaker 2: And Jesus tells all these stories like that about guys
Speaker 2: who had money that he left them with and they
Speaker 2: doubled the money, or they hid the money, or they
Speaker 2: you know what I mean that all these stories. So
Speaker 2: that's a question I would ask if I can ask
Speaker 2: right now, I'd be like how am I doing so far?
Speaker 2: Because I don't want to get to the end and
Speaker 2: then be surprised, like, boy, were you off track? Like
Speaker 2: if I can fix the rest of you know, if
Speaker 2: I can do it better, I want to. Man, My
Speaker 2: heart is to put a smile on my father's face.
Speaker 2: And you're well done, well done, son.
Speaker 3: Nice, well done son. This is a question when we
Speaker 3: get to heaven.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's okay.
Speaker 3: It's like you know one thing and it's probably like
Speaker 3: a selfish question. But I've always had like a hard
Speaker 3: time understanding healing. M So I know faith is a component,
Speaker 3: but I have lost people to cancer and other awful
Speaker 3: diseases in my life that had so much faith, right,
Speaker 3: and so that's always been something I've resolved it, like
Speaker 3: I know that Jesus is a healer, and we don't
Speaker 3: get to choose on which side of heaven he heals,
Speaker 3: Like I think we will be healed one day, but
Speaker 3: I do want to know, like I'm an equation, girl.
Speaker 2: God, what is the equation? Like what was missing?
Speaker 3: Or but because I mean, if I could ask him
Speaker 3: that now, I'd want to see everyone healed. Prain healing
Speaker 3: over you know, people more and more, So I don't
Speaker 3: know that would be mine. It would be something about
Speaker 3: at healing, like why why why? Why are some people
Speaker 3: healed and not others? But right, that's that's mine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what yeah, yeah, I get that. Why Like
Speaker 1: and I've I've come across I mean, if I've I've
Speaker 1: asked myself this question or at some point it would
Speaker 1: it would have been like before before, like you know,
Speaker 1: my new relationship with God, why did you take my mom?
Speaker 1: Which obviously it wasn't him, but why did you take
Speaker 1: my mom or both my parents? Like why? Like it
Speaker 1: was so quick back to back, it couldn't just been
Speaker 1: a little bit more time, right, you know, but that
Speaker 1: was I feel like it's the same like why why
Speaker 1: me and not them? So but you know, I've come
Speaker 1: to realize and I've used my pain my paint purpose
Speaker 1: and creeving and all that, But I like to ask
Speaker 1: those questions like because you know, we get there and
Speaker 1: we're just like okay or as a girl TMI, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, why did Eve have to eat the.
Speaker 2: Like you might want to talk about how Adam just
Speaker 2: wasn't on watch that day, like what's up? Adam.
Speaker 1: But it's just keeping real, Like God, why did like
Speaker 1: why does she do it? Like you knew? Like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Adam, there's.
Speaker 2: A talking snake going after your wife. You're supposed to
Speaker 2: be the gardener, bro, supposed to be the protector, Adam.
Speaker 1: But you know, as a girl, like every month, I'm
Speaker 1: just like this, like that's her fault. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: But I really appreciate like you guys again making it
Speaker 1: feel safe and comfortable, well sure, making it feel okay
Speaker 1: not to be okay or to be like the perfect
Speaker 1: Christian in order to be accepted into a church or
Speaker 1: by God in general. And I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of people have missed that opportunity and this is a reach,
Speaker 1: but would you please do the call for the laws
Speaker 1: in general? For like you're great at it. You both
Speaker 1: are great. That's your thing.
Speaker 2: Just promise me you'll stay real. You know, that's why
Speaker 2: people watch you, because you're real. And I don't think
Speaker 2: the world's looking for perfect Christians. I think they're looking
Speaker 2: for real Christians for sure. I don't think people is
Speaker 2: looking for a perfect church. If I find one, i'll
Speaker 2: tell you where to go. But there's no perfect churches.
Speaker 2: But there's real churches, you know, there's people who are
Speaker 2: like i'm here to I'm here because I know I
Speaker 2: don't have it all together. And I know because I'm
Speaker 2: here because I know I'm broken and I need God
Speaker 2: to heal me, you know. And that's the kind of
Speaker 2: environment that where you can belong even before you believe.
Speaker 2: You know, no perfect people allowed. Like if you're giving
Speaker 2: off that vibe like you got it all together, I
Speaker 2: don't trust you, you know what I mean, Like that
Speaker 2: vibe is like I've seen that vibe before and that's
Speaker 2: not what we're going for here. And so yeah, you
Speaker 2: stay real and people will continue to be drawn to
Speaker 2: your life because in a world of phoniness in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles especially, Yeah, you're a light because you're so real.
Speaker 2: So keep it up. And you're getting baptized this Thursday.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we found out today.
Speaker 1: I am. I am. I don't you know, it's just
Speaker 1: I just I usually don't say it because a lot
Speaker 1: of people have, you know, they don't have the best
Speaker 1: intentions and I'm just but I also know that my
Speaker 1: God is bigger and greater, so like I take the
Speaker 1: risk and kind of just put it out there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm happy.
Speaker 2: So baptism you want me to the invitation for Christ
Speaker 2: if you can.
Speaker 1: I just I like to have that opportunity. I've never
Speaker 1: done it before. I don't do it. I'm not that
Speaker 1: I don't do it, but I've just never done it.
Speaker 1: But you know you're great at it. Why does it?
Speaker 2: You know? So baptism is what will start? Right? Why
Speaker 2: would you get baptized on Thursday?
Speaker 1: I was telling Maria before we started, I just didn't
Speaker 1: find I know that it's I felt like it was
Speaker 1: important where I was going to get baptized, like the
Speaker 1: church I was getting baptized at, because I feel like
Speaker 1: we're and I know that's not the main importance. Like
Speaker 1: like again, like I've encouraged my whole life and I've
Speaker 1: never been baptized, and I didn't feel like I needed to.
Speaker 1: But then I started reading and like, obviously it's important
Speaker 1: and again I'm in this surrender and then this preparation
Speaker 1: season in general that I just felt like, okay, like
Speaker 1: why not yea? But I did feel like it was
Speaker 1: important where I got baptized because I needed it to
Speaker 1: be somewhere that again that I felt comfortable and safe
Speaker 1: with and that I can be able to call a
Speaker 1: home and that I'm continually faithfully tithing and where I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, also not making it like the church,
Speaker 1: my god, you know, but this is a space where
Speaker 1: I connect and that you know where this is the
Speaker 1: most sacred part of me. This is the core of
Speaker 1: who I am. And I also believe that starts with
Speaker 1: the church for me. So luckily, like I've been able,
Speaker 1: I was freedom is that space for me and and
Speaker 1: continues to be that space for me, and like I
Speaker 1: I want it to be and I again want to
Speaker 1: be that voice and be rual and to help people
Speaker 1: later on. And I don't know, I just I feel
Speaker 1: like again like I'm dying. I'm dying to myself. I'm
Speaker 1: choosing to die to myself. Every Oh yeah, there is
Speaker 1: there is taking that class. Oh my god, a lot
Speaker 1: of work.
Speaker 2: The seasons are kind of lining up, right, Like everything
Speaker 2: in life is like a season, right, So it sounds
Speaker 2: like you're kind of like I'm going into a new beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So that's really what baptism is, right. Baptism is, like
Speaker 2: the Bible says, it's like a watery grave. Or a coffin.
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy because baptism looks different ways in
Speaker 2: all sorts, different places. So I think probably half of
Speaker 2: our churches hispanic. Would you say half our churches is probably?
Speaker 1: Would you ever do a Spanish service?
Speaker 2: You know we do translation in here, but you know
Speaker 2: the other day I said, raise your hand, if you
Speaker 2: raise your hand, if you grew up Catholic in our
Speaker 2: whole church, razor hand, you know what I mean? Your
Speaker 2: if you're so Catholic, these are old raizor had. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like, it's like, I'm serious, because you know, our
Speaker 2: Catholic brothers and sisters same Jesus. They believe in the
Speaker 2: resurrection toement the whole thing. Baptism, though, can be challenging
Speaker 2: for them because their parents did this for them. And
Speaker 2: so we've walked a lot of people through this because
Speaker 2: if you're watching this, there's a day where what your
Speaker 2: parents did for you so special and beautiful and wonderful,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to take away from that. We
Speaker 2: you know, we we do a dedication thing in our
Speaker 2: church too where we're like, we're going to raise this
Speaker 2: child to God, and you know, and I want everybody
Speaker 2: to know this commitment we're making to God, and it's
Speaker 2: not our child, it's God's child, you know, Like it's
Speaker 2: a very very powerful thing, right. But as we get older,
Speaker 2: you know, I was nine, I was twenty. I think
Speaker 2: I was nineteen, and it was like, hey, I was
Speaker 2: raised this way, but I need to make this decision
Speaker 2: for myself. So that's why I think even though you've
Speaker 2: never been baptized, it's just that time for you now,
Speaker 2: because you're like, wow, I'm twenty seven. I understand that
Speaker 2: it's almost like a decision to say, God, I'm going
Speaker 2: to live your plan for my life, not my plan
Speaker 2: for my life. And that's an adult decision. That's an
Speaker 2: adult decision. So my kids want to give baptized and
Speaker 2: I'm like, not until you're at least eleven or twelve
Speaker 2: or you know, because I'm like, you don't know what
Speaker 2: you're doing, you know what I mean? You know. So
Speaker 2: the Bible describes it as like going into a watery
Speaker 2: grave and you identify with the death of Jesus, but
Speaker 2: then you identify with the resurrection of Jesus. So in
Speaker 2: other words, like sometimes you have to die before you
Speaker 2: can live. Ye, So it's like the old person is
Speaker 2: dying and the new person. And that's really the language
Speaker 2: of the Bible, like we are dead in our sins.
Speaker 2: Jesus says, were lost, and then we're fine found we're blind,
Speaker 2: and then we see we're dead and then we're alive. Right,
Speaker 2: I mean this is that that is like a Jesus
Speaker 2: called it being reborn. He goes like, that's a complete reborn.
Speaker 2: So if you're watching this and you've never been born again,
Speaker 2: you know, you know if you've been born again or not.
Speaker 2: And what we wind up doing is we wind up
Speaker 2: looking at like belief systems or religion and we go like, oh,
Speaker 2: I believe that Jesus is God, and I believe what
Speaker 2: he did on the cross for the world bring salvation,
Speaker 2: and I believe in all that. But you can believe
Speaker 2: God but not trust God. Trusting God is when you
Speaker 2: go I'm actually going to give you my heart. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to not live for myself anymore. I'm
Speaker 2: going to live for you. And when you do that,
Speaker 2: when you say God, I'm sorry for the things that
Speaker 2: I've done and you put your faith in Jesus, your
Speaker 2: next breath is an incredible sensation because you're like, Wow,
Speaker 2: like it's over. That person is dead, like the old
Speaker 2: is dead. The person who did those things and acted
Speaker 2: that way and thought, that's over now, and you leave
Speaker 2: that person behind. And now when you're born again, the
Speaker 2: Bible says, not only are you forgiven of what you've done,
Speaker 2: but you are filled with the Holy Spirit. See the
Speaker 2: word for breath in the scripture, both in Hebrew and
Speaker 2: in Greek, is the same word for spirit. So God
Speaker 2: puts his spirit in you. So now when you're born again,
Speaker 2: you're living by the spirit of God, and so he
Speaker 2: give helps you all the child. Most people don't want
Speaker 2: to get baptized because they go, oh, I'm still gonna
Speaker 2: make these mistakes. I'm still gonna do these things, you know.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times they come to me and
Speaker 2: they're like, I need to get everything fixed up and perfect,
Speaker 2: then I'll get baptized. I hear that all the time,
Speaker 2: like oh, I need to, I need to I need
Speaker 2: to get cleaned up, and then I'll get baptized. And
Speaker 2: I look at them every time, I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you don't. You don't get cleaned up and then come
Speaker 2: to God. You come to God and he cleans you up.
Speaker 2: Right that's the whole purpose of Jesus leaving heaven and
Speaker 2: come in to Earth. So if you're watching this and
Speaker 2: you've never like you've never heard the gospel that way,
Speaker 2: I would just tell you that I would. I would.
Speaker 2: It would be hard hard for me to believe that
Speaker 2: you were watching this podcast without God orchestrating this like
Speaker 2: he knew you tune in today. Marie and I don't
Speaker 2: do a lot of podcasts like this, but we just
Speaker 2: love her so. And the truth is is like, even
Speaker 2: through this system of like being watching podcasts, whatever, there's
Speaker 2: like a trusted voice who's saying, hey, listen. I would
Speaker 2: say that God's been working in your life a lot
Speaker 2: longer than before this moment. He's been part of every
Speaker 2: chapter of your story, right, And that's hard to swallow
Speaker 2: because you're like, well, where was he when this happened?
Speaker 2: He was still there. If you were today to say God,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for the things I've done, will you forgive me,
Speaker 2: and you were to trust that Jesus has made that possible,
Speaker 2: two things would happen. One, you could say goodbye to
Speaker 2: all the shame and all the guilt of the things
Speaker 2: that you did today. That would happen today, and then
Speaker 2: two you would have the Holy Spirit who's with you
Speaker 2: from here on out, to walk with you into a
Speaker 2: new life. God does have a great plan for the world,
Speaker 2: and he does have things that he wants to do,
Speaker 2: and he created you for a purpose. But the old
Speaker 2: person doesn't get to do that. It's the person who
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna let this person die so the
Speaker 2: person that God intended for me to be can live.
Speaker 2: So I would just direct you just to pray this
Speaker 2: prayer today. You would just say Jesus, because when we
Speaker 2: pray to God, we pray to Jesus. We don't believe
Speaker 2: that Jesus is like half God and half man, right,
Speaker 2: we don't believe Jesus is like a man who like
Speaker 2: did a bunch of good things and became God. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of religions believe that,
Speaker 2: but that's actually not the truth. The truth is not
Speaker 2: that Jesus is a man who became God. It's that
Speaker 2: God became a man so that he could be on
Speaker 2: earth and you could know that you could trust him
Speaker 2: and see what God is like and see what love
Speaker 2: is like. So so God becomes a man and he
Speaker 2: dies a death on the cross for you and for
Speaker 2: me that we deserve. And then he rises again. He
Speaker 2: rises from the grave. That proves that he's God and
Speaker 2: that everything he said about himself is true. So if
Speaker 2: you put your faith in that that that Jesus has
Speaker 2: done everything that you need to be in good standing
Speaker 2: with God, and you say thank you Jesus for all
Speaker 2: that you've done, I receive that salvation. I receive that
Speaker 2: forgiveness of sense. Then in that next moment, you ask
Speaker 2: God fill me with the Holy Spirit. So I would
Speaker 2: pray that whoever's praying that prayer right now, Jesus God,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for what I'm done. Will you forgive me?
Speaker 2: Will you and take a deep breath? Will you film
Speaker 2: me with the Holy Spirit? Will you fill me with
Speaker 2: all the help that I need to live a new life?
Speaker 2: And then you just make them that promise God? From
Speaker 2: here on out, I'm following you. Are you gonna make mistakes?
Speaker 2: Of course? Did you're going to learn from though? Is
Speaker 2: God going to love you more or less based on
Speaker 2: those mistakes? Absolutely not. He's looking at your heart right now.
Speaker 2: He knew you'd be tuning in, and I believe there's
Speaker 2: people watching right now, who'd say today's the day I'm
Speaker 2: beginning the rest of my life and you would be born.
Speaker 1: Again, Amen, Jesus name, Amen Amen, which as also one
Speaker 1: of the best decisions I've ever made personally in my life.
Speaker 1: And again, if you guys need a home, church or
Speaker 1: somewhere to go, please look into Freedom Say the best
Speaker 1: that I've you know, I've felt peace and safe there.
Speaker 1: And they have online services too, right is every service online?
Speaker 2: Yeah, on Sunday.
Speaker 1: On Sunday I'm an in person no, but online Freedom Church.
Speaker 1: And I want to thank you guys again so much,
Speaker 1: thank you because you know, you guys didn't have to,
Speaker 1: but you guys chose to. And again it is God's
Speaker 1: purpose in God's fulfillment. And you know, I just I
Speaker 1: just like seeing God work and actually seeing being here.
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate you guys very very much because
Speaker 1: I love again. You guys have been a vessel of
Speaker 1: God for me.
Speaker 2: Can't brag about you for a second. Do you understand
Speaker 2: how hard it is to talk about faith. It's such
Speaker 2: a personal thing. People feel like if I talk about that,
Speaker 2: then it's like putting myself out there. There's nothing harder
Speaker 2: to do than talk about your faith, and you're doing
Speaker 2: that on your platform with people that obviously you care about,
Speaker 2: because you would not be sharing this because you're going
Speaker 2: to get criticized for this course, you know, and I
Speaker 2: get criticized all the time, and that's part of it.
Speaker 2: But Jesus got criticized more than any of us. So
Speaker 2: way to go because you didn't have to do this.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like, it just I've I've already
Speaker 1: heard everything, Like there's nothing that anybody can tell me,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like okay, like whatever at this point,
Speaker 1: this is the way that I've survived. A lot of
Speaker 1: people ask me, like, how did you get through this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't have any other answer but God.
Speaker 1: And if that's the best way, if I can simplify
Speaker 1: it or uncomplicate it or give the examples of how
Speaker 1: my life has been saved or what I've gone through
Speaker 1: to be able to share that story and my testimony, ultimately,
Speaker 1: like then it's you know what I'm called to do.
Speaker 1: It's the purpose, you know, That's why I'm here, That's
Speaker 1: why God made us and created us under But again,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so so much, and please, if you
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