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Speaker 1: Your hosts Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us, Taylor Stern and
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips Welcome everybody into the SWBC Mortgage Studio as
Speaker 1: we get ready to go into week eleven. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's Tuesday at the Star. I'm Taylor, joined by Brian,
Speaker 1: Rob Mickey, and we're still getting over Sunday's loss or
Speaker 1: are we officially over it? Move on? Move on? Got
Speaker 1: you're right for the Eagles, you got no time. Got
Speaker 1: an eight one football team coming in, Billy Mickey. Three
Speaker 1: games in twelve days, right, Yeah that too? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: figure that out. Yeah. Player's safety, we're all about it,
Speaker 1: giving everybody, We're all about that player's safety. We are,
Speaker 1: we are married. Are you over it? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to sound like you're not. I don't know. We
Speaker 1: had an interesting discussion on cover four yesterday and it
Speaker 1: was kind of one that made me think a little bit.
Speaker 1: We did. Our big talk was is Philly a must win?
Speaker 1: And of course, you know you think division they have
Speaker 1: to win all of that, But Manny's argument and He's
Speaker 1: kind of argued this for a while now, was that
Speaker 1: you let Philly kind of run away with the NFC
Speaker 1: East title, and he argued that Atlanta was really more
Speaker 1: of the must win because they could be a wild card. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, so now that you didn't must win, it
Speaker 1: does the next one a must win? Yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: like it. I think they're all must win. I got
Speaker 1: my thought on that. But go ahead, Rob, Well, they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not out of this division race. I mean they're
Speaker 1: they're two and oh in their division, right, So that's
Speaker 1: that's good shape. You play Philly twice in your three
Speaker 1: games behind them, so you gotta hope for them to
Speaker 1: slide a little bit and you gotta beat him twice.
Speaker 1: They're technically Eagles have now run away with this thing.
Speaker 1: Now obviously it's an uphill task and this team is
Speaker 1: banged up right now. Philly's got some injuries too, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the wild card part of it hurts Tay
Speaker 1: because now you have head to head losses against two
Speaker 1: teams that are right in the hunt with you, and
Speaker 1: that's Atlanta in Green Bay. Yeah, so you know you've
Speaker 1: got to look around the rest of their first place
Speaker 1: schedule by the way, Mickey had just won row for two.
Speaker 1: But you know it doesn't matter. But if they had
Speaker 1: the second or third place schedule and they had to
Speaker 1: play the Saints, Minnesota would be another one they got
Speaker 1: able to play. Had any arguments on that one, green
Speaker 1: Bay or Minnesota, I would other play green Bay in
Speaker 1: the Atlanta the Saints. You should have had a better
Speaker 1: chance against Atlanta, right, should have you had your guys
Speaker 1: on the field. It was interesting. I think either the
Speaker 1: NFL or Bleachport one of those shared a graphic the
Speaker 1: other day is that all of the teams that are
Speaker 1: currently leading NFC divisions were either at the bottom two
Speaker 1: or like the bottom of their division last season. Wow.
Speaker 1: It just shows you the parody in this league. And
Speaker 1: I mean Atlanta is threatening. If they don't make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: that'd be two years in a row the NFC champion
Speaker 1: doesn't make the playoffs the next year, which is just
Speaker 1: kind of crazy when you think about Rosster turnover and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Can I go back to my must win? Yes, yes, please?
Speaker 1: Because you only play sixteen of these they're all must win.
Speaker 1: I know it's not it's not aggressive last night, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like Major League Baseball or NBA or hockey,
Speaker 1: where you have a number of games where you look
Speaker 1: at the Dodgers. You know, the Dodgers went out through
Speaker 1: and had a terrible month, had a great month when
Speaker 1: they won twenty something in a row. But yeah, when
Speaker 1: you when you only play sixteen games, they're all must
Speaker 1: win and the problem is that it comes down to
Speaker 1: usually one game, you know in the division, or one
Speaker 1: game you know, you're trying to think, okay, can ten
Speaker 1: wins get you in the playoffs? You know? I mean
Speaker 1: the I think the NFC South and the NFC West
Speaker 1: is making that very difficult for you to have to
Speaker 1: think about that. Usually you can just kind of just
Speaker 1: dance on in there and say, hey, we're we got
Speaker 1: hot at the right time and let's go. But that's
Speaker 1: why that Rams games, Ramley sticks with you. Yeah, Rams game,
Speaker 1: Rams Game, Atlanta game and Packer game all means something
Speaker 1: to me right now? They really really do so four
Speaker 1: out of their five losses, no, they're only have four losses.
Speaker 1: Three out of their four losses have all been NFC teams.
Speaker 1: They could have a great division record and not make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. If you want to be yeah about it. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got the Eagles just run away with it right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean in the league, see, they've got they A
Speaker 1: lot of this has to do with when you play teams.
Speaker 1: You know they've got They've still got to go to Seattle.
Speaker 1: I mean, after Dallas, they got to believe they've got Chicago,
Speaker 1: then Seattle. Then they've got the Rams and then Giants
Speaker 1: and US again, I think is how it kind of goes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's uh, you know, that's what you
Speaker 1: do when you win the games you're supposed to win.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've done a great job. They've beaten Washington twice.
Speaker 1: The only loss they've had is to Kansas City. We
Speaker 1: all kind of understand what Kansas City is, you know.
Speaker 1: So that their wins have been against the same teams
Speaker 1: as Dallas have. They've beaten the Giants, they've beatn Arizona. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they won. They won games that the Cowboys have won
Speaker 1: as well. There's always team there's always a team that
Speaker 1: rises up that you don't expect, and I think New
Speaker 1: Orleans is probably the biggest one. The fact that they're
Speaker 1: winning games is by the margin that they are and
Speaker 1: they think that they've won seventh straight they have. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're scoreboard watching now, and and last weekend
Speaker 1: hurt because Atlanta, Carolina, Detroit, Green Bay all win, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you lose, and and a couple are head to
Speaker 1: head that you've already lost too, So it's uh, they've
Speaker 1: got an uphill battle, no doubt about it. There's only
Speaker 1: two teams in the NFC that aren't in the first
Speaker 1: place that have a better record than the Cowboys, the
Speaker 1: Titans NC. It's Carolina, Carolina and Minnesota and Minnesota. No
Speaker 1: Minnesota play Detroit or Seattle six and three, yeah, Settle, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so they won I think Carolina and they went on
Speaker 1: Thursday in Seattles. I mean, that's it. And one of
Speaker 1: them's only one game better, So just take care of
Speaker 1: your business. The Eagles still have Eagles, easy to say.
Speaker 1: Eagles still have Oakland as well. Yeah. It took play
Speaker 1: check with me after Thanksgiving. That's what Bill always says. Right.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though, Mickey, these three games
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about that you would like to
Speaker 1: win two of the three, two of the three, So
Speaker 1: that puts you in a position of seven and five,
Speaker 1: seven to five, yeah, and I think it's easy for
Speaker 1: you to say must win brand because there are only
Speaker 1: sixteen and maybe better phrasing of it would have been like,
Speaker 1: is this a game that if they lose, they'll be
Speaker 1: out of it? You know what I'm saying. You got
Speaker 1: a hard time winning the division when you're four games back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've already lost a Philly once. Yeah, I mean that
Speaker 1: from a division standpoint, this year feels like a must
Speaker 1: win game. You're gonna have a hard time anyway, since
Speaker 1: no one's repeated since two thousand and what three? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that right? That's true? Philadelphia? Yeah, Philadelphia one from
Speaker 1: two thousand to through two thousand and three, right, right,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, that's parody. No one's known is repeated. No,
Speaker 1: it just shows you it's year to year, it really is.
Speaker 1: One year does not beget the next year. Well, and
Speaker 1: that's why it's almost unfair that they do the first
Speaker 1: place schedule thing. And I get it. It's easy to
Speaker 1: schedule it out and if you had such a great
Speaker 1: team the year before, you should be able to play
Speaker 1: these same teams kind of in that New England. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so you know, but when Mickey's bringing up is
Speaker 1: a good point. Now you have such drastic free agencies,
Speaker 1: such huge drafts. You're a different team. Yeah, but but
Speaker 1: I think if you're a fan of other teams, it sells,
Speaker 1: it really gives you hope. Well, yeah, the league is yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the league is. Yeah. I don't, I don't and I
Speaker 1: don't particularly have hope for my Dallas Mavericks. Right now,
Speaker 1: you tip off the NBA season and there's two teams
Speaker 1: that have a chance to win it, like legitimately maybe three,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean, I guess hope springs eternal, and
Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, Philadelphia could have the very same
Speaker 1: thing happened to it that Dallas did last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a heck of a run. Then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you get into divisional round the playoffs with
Speaker 1: the home field, and you go up against a team
Speaker 1: that is very capable of beating you, like the Saints
Speaker 1: or Minnesota one of those people. Well, and it's funny
Speaker 1: that you bring that up to because obviously a huge
Speaker 1: storyline that everyone's going to be looking at this week
Speaker 1: nationally is the Dak first Wentz talk. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about, oh, dak first Wentz.
Speaker 1: The different places that they were taken at right, and
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, and it's almost like the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles are having the Dallas Cowboys twenty and sixteen
Speaker 1: schedule or not schedule, but season the way it's going
Speaker 1: right now, way it's going right now, right. You know,
Speaker 1: they've had some different injuries. Cowboys had injuries too. They
Speaker 1: were not injury free last year, sure, and so looking
Speaker 1: at that is kind of funny to see because I
Speaker 1: was going to look up there twenty and sixteen where
Speaker 1: they wore Okay, so they had seven or not three
Speaker 1: and our right, and then lost. Yeah, they lost their
Speaker 1: tackle got suspended for like ten games. But then they're
Speaker 1: three and two after Week six, five and two, after
Speaker 1: Week seven, five and three, after Week eight, five and four,
Speaker 1: week nine, Yeah, and then they beat the Falcons in
Speaker 1: Week ten. Yeah they did in a close game. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at Wins's stats too, and he
Speaker 1: and Dak are very similar this year. But Wins is
Speaker 1: having a kind of a Dack like season from last year,
Speaker 1: where he's the efficiency is sky high. I mean, no
Speaker 1: very few turnovers, ball's going down the field, making a
Speaker 1: lot of plays. Yeah, they got he's got some weapons
Speaker 1: on the outside. They went out, and they've kind of
Speaker 1: solidified the running game a little bit. A little bit
Speaker 1: like watching the Cowboys play, they do more of their
Speaker 1: ball goes sideways more when they run the football. It's
Speaker 1: more of a read option attack, and you rarely really
Speaker 1: see him pull the ball where you see him where
Speaker 1: he gives people problems. He's really accurate. He's a very
Speaker 1: accurate throwing quarterback. I mean, at least this year he's
Speaker 1: been you know the games I was watching, He's hit
Speaker 1: some really good touch passes, but he escapes trouble. There's
Speaker 1: people that have a chance to begin him on the
Speaker 1: ground and they don't do it, and he buys a
Speaker 1: second chance with his feet. He's a big guy, he's
Speaker 1: got some athletic ability. So yeah, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: have a chance to get him on the ground, you
Speaker 1: better do that. Few teams haven't. Do you think they
Speaker 1: ever think about that, like a just little edge, like
Speaker 1: I just want to be better than this guy. No,
Speaker 1: you don't think so the want to be good. I
Speaker 1: don't think you. I mean, I don't think you sit
Speaker 1: there and contemplate that during the week, like you go
Speaker 1: home and go, oh, I'm going to be better than him.
Speaker 1: I think it's just kind of something funny to think
Speaker 1: about what Prescott in Wins is saying, Yeah, you try
Speaker 1: and think you want to be better. Well, you want
Speaker 1: to be better, but I don't think you would be
Speaker 1: labor the point. No, you know what, I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys really respected Wins. They had him up on the
Speaker 1: top of the draft boarder near the top of the
Speaker 1: draft board. They coached him in the Senior Bowl game,
Speaker 1: learned a lot about him. They had the fourth pick
Speaker 1: of that draft, too. Yeah, they could have moved up
Speaker 1: if they were really interested in getting him. I was
Speaker 1: more so thinking of, like, you know, there was such
Speaker 1: a storyline of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady for so
Speaker 1: many years about who was the better quarterback, and you know,
Speaker 1: different things like that that people loved to compare the
Speaker 1: two and know you ever wondered they did different things
Speaker 1: where it was like Peyton would be like, I'm the
Speaker 1: better one. Oh yeah, very similar to kind of like
Speaker 1: the Dez Norman type rivalry. Yeah, another basketball comparison. I'm
Speaker 1: not comparing them to these two guys, but Magic and
Speaker 1: Bird used to They admitted they would open the paper
Speaker 1: in the eighties and see what the other did in
Speaker 1: the box score, and Bird said when it was time
Speaker 1: to go, he knew it was time to go. When
Speaker 1: he stopped checking. He didn't care what Magic was doing anymore.
Speaker 1: But see, they played against the I know, I know different.
Speaker 1: It's more fun probably for the media and fans because
Speaker 1: I mean, like Tay said, there's that Cowboys Wentz connection
Speaker 1: that went back to the Senior Bowl, like they coached him,
Speaker 1: you know, and then they had that high pick and
Speaker 1: they wound up, you know, going with the running back.
Speaker 1: Wentz is already taken, but they didn't know Tony Romo
Speaker 1: would get hurt. They didn't tire exactly, no, but there
Speaker 1: is that, there is that storyline that goes back and
Speaker 1: Dak obviously has been fantastic. Well they made the Cowboys
Speaker 1: made the determination though they were going to try and
Speaker 1: help Tony. We've talked about that. That's whether you drafted
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Olliett. You know that was going to be your
Speaker 1: difference maker right there. You know, he it was, you
Speaker 1: know him Ramsey. I mean, they were, they were, they were,
Speaker 1: but you know, they said, hey, we need the runner.
Speaker 1: They were they were trying to prolong Tony's career with
Speaker 1: a legitimate running back. Well, the best season he had
Speaker 1: I think, correct me if I'm wrong. Twenty fourteen, DeMarco
Speaker 1: Murray had that fantastic season and it just took so
Speaker 1: much pressure off Tony and then DeMarco got hurt and
Speaker 1: he had an incredible December if I remember correctly as
Speaker 1: well as you know. I mean, everybody was always getting
Speaker 1: on Romo about his poor Decembers, but that one, they
Speaker 1: don't think they lost a game. He was his touchdown
Speaker 1: the interception ratio was was big. Yeah. I mean he
Speaker 1: was pretty good in two thousand and seven and two yeah,
Speaker 1: and two thousand and nine, yeah, well it was up there.
Speaker 1: It was pretty good. I think I think he might
Speaker 1: have been his best quarterback rating of his career in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Anyway, you see what a running game does
Speaker 1: for any quarterback. Yeah. Absolutely. So it's always fun to
Speaker 1: talk about these different things. Mickey loves it. He's the
Speaker 1: one who wanted me to bring all of this up today.
Speaker 1: He's just very excited by it, aren't you, Mick. We
Speaker 1: better be excited about who's going to be able to
Speaker 1: play and who's not going to be able to play.
Speaker 1: On Sunday. I think more than anything else. Well, why
Speaker 1: don't you that's a great segue, Mick, Why don't you
Speaker 1: give us a full update on what Jerry Jones and
Speaker 1: Coach Garrett said yesterday afternoon. I don't know that they
Speaker 1: said anything that was totally revealing, but I think when
Speaker 1: Jason says of somebody it might be some time in
Speaker 1: reference to Sean Lee, let's say three games, then I
Speaker 1: think it'll be some time. He's going to have a
Speaker 1: hard time making it back for this game. And if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get back in time for this game, Thanksgivings
Speaker 1: probably out too, So then you gotta see. It's a
Speaker 1: weird injury. Jason explained to us how it happened, and
Speaker 1: it's almost like you get pushed from behind and you
Speaker 1: stretch your hamstring out. I've never even heard of that before.
Speaker 1: Remember what happened, Yeah, Remember what happened with Switzer at
Speaker 1: camp when he got yea Yeah, same thing. Yeah. He's
Speaker 1: also dealing with a bilateral quad problem too. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of things going on with Sean Lee. You really
Speaker 1: don't He's got things, brus that people don't understand. He's
Speaker 1: got he's he's playing through he was playing through some
Speaker 1: things right there. But yeah, Mickey's right, though, I think
Speaker 1: there's a better chance for Tyrann Smith, who matter of fact,
Speaker 1: he was out there. Yeah when when you Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a great thing about working here. You can just kind
Speaker 1: of walk by the windows and somebody's out there working
Speaker 1: on the field, and you know they're trying. I mean,
Speaker 1: Britt Brown's out there. They're trying to get him ready
Speaker 1: to play. They understand the magnitude of the game and
Speaker 1: what's going on right now. It's just we all saw it.
Speaker 1: But with Lee, I don't expect him to play the
Speaker 1: next three weeks. I mean the schum Yeah, three games
Speaker 1: in twelve days. You can't ask him to do that.
Speaker 1: You really can't. I mean probably even if he could.
Speaker 1: Don't want him playing the next two Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a bad schedule. Think about the first time he heard
Speaker 1: his hamstring like. They didn't rush it. They said, hey,
Speaker 1: we got this bye week at a bye weekend, let's
Speaker 1: give him Green Bay And so yeah, I mean, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, when you say three games, that sounds
Speaker 1: like a long time, but in this situation that you're right,
Speaker 1: Rob three games twelve days very appealing to someone who
Speaker 1: needs that time to rest, and it affects Hire and too.
Speaker 1: I think you know. Jerry reiterated that this morning on
Speaker 1: the fan, better chance for him to play this week,
Speaker 1: But then can he turn around on three days rest
Speaker 1: and play on Thanksgiving? Well, it depends on what happens
Speaker 1: in the games. On what happens in the game. Jason
Speaker 1: yesterday said, you got to look at it individually and say,
Speaker 1: can he play Sunday and then when we get to Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1: We need to Thanksgiving. But obviously they need him in
Speaker 1: this game. And then Jeff Heath in concussion protocol and
Speaker 1: I was reminded that he had a concussion in training camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is two within what four months? Four months?
Speaker 1: Same thing's going on with Freeman right now in Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's had multiple three Yeah, yeah, he added in training camp.
Speaker 1: Remember you missed some time, Okay, I don't remember at
Speaker 1: what point, but he did, so that complicates this one.
Speaker 1: Training camp feels like a long time. Now. Dan Bailey
Speaker 1: starting to kick a little, I understand, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's kicking enough. And then we have to consider
Speaker 1: what Jerry said initially about well can he get back
Speaker 1: sooner than people thought? And just kick field goals and
Speaker 1: not kick off because the kickoff kind of torks your
Speaker 1: leg more severely. So that's another one to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. The one do we know for sure is
Speaker 1: Zeke's not going to be here, Thank you. It's a
Speaker 1: good wrap up. And by the way, Swain was out
Speaker 1: there working too today. Sounds like he may be able
Speaker 1: to practice tomorrow. Jason, we founded hopeful. Yeah, more so
Speaker 1: than the other two guys who they he basically ruled
Speaker 1: out of practicing on Wednesday. So yeah, the Tyrone one
Speaker 1: I think you got to hope for. I think the
Speaker 1: Sean you better start figuring out how you're going to
Speaker 1: play without him, Yeah, which they haven't figured out yet. Nope,
Speaker 1: you know who I kind of feel, And this is
Speaker 1: way early. We're sitting here on Tuesday. I feel like
Speaker 1: Shanley and Cheeto will switch places on the inactives list
Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, oh you think probably so probably? So
Speaker 1: are you trying to rub it into him that he
Speaker 1: that he missed on Cheetah last week? No, we got
Speaker 1: pizza tomorrow. Technically I missed too, So I need to
Speaker 1: help you on that. Nah, Okay, we're good. No, I
Speaker 1: just know that they need to figure out something to
Speaker 1: I mean, like I say, Jason said, he's not in
Speaker 1: the business of trying to develop guys right now. He's
Speaker 1: trying to win football games. So let's see where Cheetoh fits.
Speaker 1: And he might and they might need him, I mean,
Speaker 1: because Anthon Brown hasn't been Anthony Brown hasn't been great.
Speaker 1: And you know, and there was some even before we
Speaker 1: got to this point Anthony Brown, they were they were
Speaker 1: doing some things rep wise in practice with Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: to kind of give him more work, you know, or
Speaker 1: equal amount of work with with Anthy Brown. Well, and
Speaker 1: I know, Mick, you know, you have fun saying you think,
Speaker 1: but there could have been there is going to be discussion.
Speaker 1: Last week, two linebackers were on the inactive list. Of course,
Speaker 1: you had Marsha Lillard and Justin Durant on that list.
Speaker 1: You got to look at that now with Lee out, Yeah, no, yah,
Speaker 1: that's that's you know. Do you do you go with
Speaker 1: you feel more comfortable going with Durant the experience but
Speaker 1: maybe not the athletic ability, or do you feel like,
Speaker 1: well maybe and I know you don't know, march Lillard.
Speaker 1: I think this is really probably an unfair question. But
Speaker 1: which if you had the better athlete, would you go
Speaker 1: with the better athlete? Now that or the experience? Mickey,
Speaker 1: My understanding is it's gonna be Hitchens probably at the
Speaker 1: week spot. Okay, So then they have to figure out
Speaker 1: out who's gonna play who's gonna play Mike? Then, So
Speaker 1: now that gives you the question, do you do you
Speaker 1: go with? You continue to go with Jalen Smith there? Well,
Speaker 1: but they can't not not for saying, I'm saying somebody
Speaker 1: else Durant. Can Lillard play? Yeah, that I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: think you could try try March Lillard? Yeah, why not
Speaker 1: at Mark? He's played Mike linebacker before. But he's I
Speaker 1: think he's a better will. But you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: in a You're in a situation where you really don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of options. You touched on this yesterday.
Speaker 1: Lillard better runner at this point, movement, younger guy, right,
Speaker 1: fresher legs than duran He's a veteran. He's played twenty
Speaker 1: nine games though in the NFL, so may sit on
Speaker 1: the outside all the time. Been on the outside of
Speaker 1: majority of preseason. He played in the inside a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: play twenty nine career games. Yeah, well that makes you
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better because I would say, you know, Jalen,
Speaker 1: there's that experience factor too when he's had to step in,
Speaker 1: So it does. Durant helps stabilize things. They're just for
Speaker 1: recognition experience standpoint. So I think it'll come down to
Speaker 1: who can play that middle linebacker spot on the nickel,
Speaker 1: because that's where I think Jalen gets in trouble because
Speaker 1: you gotta cover, you gotta cover, you gotta move you still,
Speaker 1: and you got one less linebacker to stop the run.
Speaker 1: But he's good on the blitz stuff to hear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna blitz him, right, but then you gotta
Speaker 1: have guys in coverage, right, you know, and then you
Speaker 1: got the factor if Heath isn't there. You asked about
Speaker 1: a Woozier, Well then Heath and Woozier just changed spots, right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we'll see more of a a
Speaker 1: playing safety. We did in the Green Bay game before
Speaker 1: he got hurt. That's where he got hurt. He was playing.
Speaker 1: Oh they were playing woods quite a bit. Yeah before
Speaker 1: before Cavon Frasier right way, Yeah, you could get funky
Speaker 1: and just have hitchens as you're only I would I
Speaker 1: would consider that and have two guys in the slot
Speaker 1: depending on how the Eagles play it, yea, and how
Speaker 1: you're handling the run. You got to figure out how
Speaker 1: to stop Ertz yeah, za, because they couldn't stop Hooper. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they've got you. Now, maybe this is where
Speaker 1: you maybe it's where you go with Jones. And you
Speaker 1: know what they've done with Woods is they played him
Speaker 1: in the slot. You know, That's kind of what they've
Speaker 1: done with him, So you know they well he had
Speaker 1: to in that game when Skendrick went out. That's right,
Speaker 1: he was the slot slot player, right, Okay, all right,
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Speaker 1: more inconsistent this season, the defense or the offense, Taco
Speaker 1: depends who's available to play. Does that depend on your
Speaker 1: depth at those positions? How much does expectation factor in
Speaker 1: to that question, because this is a good one. Probably
Speaker 1: a lot. You know, a lot of people don't expect
Speaker 1: the defense to be as solid as the offense. So
Speaker 1: you know, you look at a performance like Sunday and
Speaker 1: you're like, come on, this is one of the best
Speaker 1: offenses in the league. Because of expectations, I might lean
Speaker 1: towards I would lean towards the offense because it took
Speaker 1: them a little while to get going with the running game.
Speaker 1: It was the week before the buy where they really
Speaker 1: got their running game on track. They felt like, and
Speaker 1: now they're without Zeke and they're having to kind of
Speaker 1: reinvent themselves a little bit. Yeah, and without Dan Bailey
Speaker 1: and without Tyrn Smith that too. Injuries obviously a huge factor.
Speaker 1: And what happened the other day. I'm thinking about this
Speaker 1: one because it's a good question. I think my expectations
Speaker 1: of the defense were far less because of the young players,
Speaker 1: you know, the guys in the secondary having to play,
Speaker 1: didn't really wasn't really sure where the pass rush was
Speaker 1: going to come from. But they've seemed to have kind
Speaker 1: of found that Mickey's right, Sean Lee and without in
Speaker 1: the lineup is bad for your running game or your
Speaker 1: run defense for everything. Yeah, is that the biggest loss? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, even though what we saw you could have sustained.
Speaker 1: I think you could have sustained the offense. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you didn't see that's yeah, well yeah, I think
Speaker 1: missing Zeke. But then again, but Mickey, I think you're
Speaker 1: onto something with this Sean Lee thing because the defense
Speaker 1: clearly Tay does not do what they need to do
Speaker 1: without Sean Lee in the lineup. It's given me another
Speaker 1: game without Zeke, and and give me somebody to play
Speaker 1: left tackle, left guard, tight end. It just blocked the
Speaker 1: way you're supposed to block. Then I'll answer your question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: only then do they have somebody do that? Well, they
Speaker 1: didn't have anybody to do it on on defense for
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee. Pretty simple one guy, right, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: it's it's staggering the difference when he's not in the game,
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, I just think it's it's a
Speaker 1: huge It's just interesting. It's who what position they more
Speaker 1: in trouble at linebacker or tackle when they lose a
Speaker 1: guy like that. See, I think the biggest thing, and
Speaker 1: Brian brought it up. Without Zeke on the field, you
Speaker 1: lose the fear factor. Right. They can run the ball,
Speaker 1: they'll still cobble it together, but no one is a ski,
Speaker 1: No one's scared of the run, right, you know they're
Speaker 1: gonna play a wide nine when Zeke on the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, big boy, come on, big I'm coming right
Speaker 1: through that big hole. Right. But they weren't worried about that, right, No,
Speaker 1: they were not. See, I just it's not funny. It's
Speaker 1: not funny. No, I just don't. I mean, and it'd
Speaker 1: be both. I don't know. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can say one's more important than the other. Honestly, they're
Speaker 1: both all pros for a reason. Well, the important thing
Speaker 1: is what are you going to do at both of
Speaker 1: those positions? It is important if those guys aren't playing.
Speaker 1: You've lost more games without Sean Lee in there than
Speaker 1: you have. Yeah, Sharon Smith only played one without tire.
Speaker 1: But but no, I'm just talking about previous years. Previous years,
Speaker 1: you know. And somebody said, well they played well in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, It's like, yeah, well row Row was out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was his name, Mick? You know then that I
Speaker 1: am asked McLean? Yeah him too. Yeah. Well. See, the
Speaker 1: funny thing is is a lot of people are questioning
Speaker 1: the depth on this team. And I think maybe you
Speaker 1: said it yesterday, Mickey, you shouldn't worry about the depth
Speaker 1: so much because you hope that these guys should be
Speaker 1: able to be out there. Very few teams have depth,
Speaker 1: very few, I mean, look around the league. We answered
Speaker 1: the mail back question this morning, and I'm with Mickey
Speaker 1: on this. I don't know how you replace all how
Speaker 1: do you place all pro players well? And then to
Speaker 1: the frustrating things, and you brought up another expectations people expected.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking for myself too. I expected Chad's Green to
Speaker 1: have a solid performance, not a Tyren Smith, but he's
Speaker 1: a third round pick, and the expectation is injury pronet
Speaker 1: expectations where he's played better. You know, I know the
Speaker 1: coaching staff didn't feel like he was gonna go out
Speaker 1: there and give up six sacks or four Samy sacks
Speaker 1: ever he gave up or yeah, I've or f four.
Speaker 1: You want to bet I got thirteen snakes over here?
Speaker 1: Are you okay? I am good? He's a betting man.
Speaker 1: These corrected somebody on Twitter today. I saw that it
Speaker 1: was four. Is that because one of the was running
Speaker 1: out of the pocket and he oh and and he
Speaker 1: didn't rush, he didn't block him. Chazz blocked his guy
Speaker 1: right and that guy was it was a zone blitz
Speaker 1: and he backed off. Clayborne didn't rush. No one blocked hikay,
Speaker 1: well fours a lot still, Well, no, it is anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying four anyway. Nobody expected that to happen. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of those Okay, you feel
Speaker 1: like though you can handle things up front, a week
Speaker 1: of practice, getting involved in the scheme, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: you feel like you can you can get that done.
Speaker 1: But the coaching staff thought that for three quarters. Sure,
Speaker 1: they kept thinking, Okay, he's everything's gonna fine. We've seen
Speaker 1: him play down there were some plays that he blocked. Okay, right,
Speaker 1: he was fine. Right, you're down by three at half,
Speaker 1: and they still kind of felt like, all right, maybe
Speaker 1: he can settle in here. And it just it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, having this question Tyron or Lee
Speaker 1: nothing against Tyran, but I think prior to this last game,
Speaker 1: I think you'd feel like Shawn Lee is probably the
Speaker 1: least question. I mean, as a poll, like eighty percent
Speaker 1: of the people, or sent of the fans or the
Speaker 1: folks voting, thought that that Smith was the most important thing.
Speaker 1: When you know, you look at defensively, when Sean Lee
Speaker 1: went out. What happened? They it wasn't as good. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's depth is a is a great thing to talk about,
Speaker 1: but how good is your depths depth? A kicker good enough? No,
Speaker 1: it's not never going it's not you have a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl kicker and it's not good enough with Mike NuGen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we went through this with quarterback just a couple of years.
Speaker 1: Like how many backup quarterbacks can you name in the NFL?
Speaker 1: Like there's you can't that many. And so you can
Speaker 1: talk all about, hey, we invested in this guy, but
Speaker 1: if you lose your starter, you're probably in big trouble.
Speaker 1: So rude to Mark Sanchez, Brandon Weeden, Matt Castle, No
Speaker 1: offense to those guys, but they're not Romo and they're
Speaker 1: not Dak or else they'd be starting somewhere. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's a good question. Can you have both of them? Sean?
Speaker 1: I don't think. At the same time, I don't know what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So do you make a switch at left tackle? Do
Speaker 1: you let those guys compete and see how they play
Speaker 1: in practice or you just make a decision. Coaches coach
Speaker 1: real quick though. If if they do decide to make
Speaker 1: that switch, Mick you think it would probably be this
Speaker 1: week since they're about to go into a short week
Speaker 1: next week. Is that more of their thought. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think that enters into it. It's like who
Speaker 1: can do the job? Well. I was just saying, if
Speaker 1: you don't have as many days for practice and say
Speaker 1: they have to do more walkthroughs than practices and not
Speaker 1: this week the Charger That's what I was saying. The
Speaker 1: Charger game is going to be one practice, and I
Speaker 1: don't think it's really gonna be a practice, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you. It's probably a couple of walkthroughs and
Speaker 1: then well, it's not like Chaz is a grizzled veteran, no,
Speaker 1: because he's been practicing so much. Right, here's the problem,
Speaker 1: Like he has been practicing on Wednesdays though, yes, you're right,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that that's he has been splitting
Speaker 1: reps on Wednesday. So they had to see something. That's
Speaker 1: my that's my question. Can you judge off this week
Speaker 1: of practice and say it Chaz is okay because you
Speaker 1: thought he had a good week of practice last week? Yeah,
Speaker 1: or do you go with the more experienced guys. Let
Speaker 1: me ask this guy about Belle did were we I
Speaker 1: think Mickey on some of these shows, maybe Rob as well.
Speaker 1: We were kind of critical of of Jonathan Cooper, you
Speaker 1: know in some of those early games that he played in,
Speaker 1: and they stuck with him, stuck with him, stuck with him,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't real good on Sunday. Oh he really wasn't.
Speaker 1: He really wasn't. But that's what I'm saying, though, Well
Speaker 1: they just go ahead and say it's better just to
Speaker 1: bite the bullet and go with Chaz Green and try
Speaker 1: and help him and hope that, you know, hope that
Speaker 1: Vinny Curry doesn't have a field day or whoever else
Speaker 1: they put over on that side, Brandon Graham, you know,
Speaker 1: Coach Pollock said after the game, we don't want to
Speaker 1: lose him, and he's talking about his confidence level. But
Speaker 1: Cooper's struggles in the early season, they weren't. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was disaster last week. No, it's it's like it
Speaker 1: was disaster missing a thirty eight yard field goal. It
Speaker 1: was disaster or not, you know, it was obviously yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just chatz. But yeah, can you build back
Speaker 1: up his confidence in a week and he's really I
Speaker 1: think him standing up there and taking all the questions
Speaker 1: was the right thing to do for him. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he you know, it's just technique going to approve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was like Mickey's right, there were some times where
Speaker 1: we actually blocked the guy. This technique wasn't I mean
Speaker 1: there the problem was he when he broke down, it
Speaker 1: was just so bad. I mean, you know with with
Speaker 1: Lale Collins, you have one or two bad play law
Speaker 1: Collins has a breakdown. Didn't have another one. But then
Speaker 1: we'll get back on track. This's just like snowballed out
Speaker 1: of Yeah. This was just you couldn't do anything right.
Speaker 1: You couldn't do anything. And the worst part was is
Speaker 1: the guy wasn't gonna come inside. He's gonna rush to
Speaker 1: the oub. Everything was gonna go. Well, just keep pushing
Speaker 1: him wide, just go run, don't sit there and do
Speaker 1: your kick thing. I'd have just gone run sideways. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is all mood of tyrant can go. Yeah. But um,
Speaker 1: it didn't sound like yeah but you better have you
Speaker 1: better have a swing you ready to go right? Ready,
Speaker 1: might have to have two ready. Yeah, it didn't sound
Speaker 1: like Jason was looking at moving two spots. You're like
Speaker 1: moving in a lyle or a Zach out there, somebody's
Speaker 1: got to take their place. Yeah, who would you feel
Speaker 1: better out? Then? Then? If if you if you don't
Speaker 1: feel good about either one of the backup tackles, but
Speaker 1: then you screwed up putting your roster together. Fair point,
Speaker 1: that's a fair point. I just don't believe in moving
Speaker 1: moving two things to fix one. No, I mean, and hey,
Speaker 1: but you know he's right. I've sat there, I've been
Speaker 1: in that. You look at your team and you go,
Speaker 1: where do we miss this? Then we we do? We
Speaker 1: do we think that you know, maybe maybe Smith was
Speaker 1: going to be better than he is. Well no, but yeah,
Speaker 1: but let me see this. Did you mess up as
Speaker 1: a coaching staff too? By giving Chaz Green reps at
Speaker 1: guard the majority of training camp instead of just letting
Speaker 1: him be the swing ta tackle from the beginning because
Speaker 1: they wanted him to win that spot. Yeah, they saw
Speaker 1: Byron Bell they said, oh now we don't have a
Speaker 1: swing tackle, right, And you could try to get greedy
Speaker 1: and say, okay, I'm gonna keep him in reserve just
Speaker 1: in case and Jonathan Cooper have at it. It's it.
Speaker 1: They better have a better plan protecting them. And who's
Speaker 1: ever out. Even if Byron Bell's out there, you still
Speaker 1: got to give them some help, right, you know, and
Speaker 1: they helped several times. Yeah, probably not enough. But then again,
Speaker 1: tell me this, if you if you constantly put two
Speaker 1: guys over there, or have your running back chipping over there,
Speaker 1: what happens when they blitz? Who's picking up the blitz?
Speaker 1: That's fair, you know, it's not. It's not as easy
Speaker 1: as Okay, I'm gonna put two guys. No, No, you're right,
Speaker 1: You're right, Jason, They're gonna put a linebacker behind them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jason also spoke to it's about its confidence level too,
Speaker 1: like try to build him up a little bit and
Speaker 1: say let him okay, we have confidences you can handle
Speaker 1: this guy and not just have to have some you know,
Speaker 1: oh no training. Yeah, I mean, I'm the shame of
Speaker 1: it was. The guy was a one trick pony. He
Speaker 1: did the same move every time. Beat never beat him.
Speaker 1: To the insight. It was around the outside. He made
Speaker 1: contact with him and went around slap slap. The hands
Speaker 1: got him off balance. It was to the corner. So
Speaker 1: what would you do this week? If Tyring couldn't can't
Speaker 1: go Hypothetically, I'd give him one more chance, and I'd
Speaker 1: make sure that but if it happens again, I'm pulling
Speaker 1: the plug early quicker hook. Yeah. But what's happening though, too,
Speaker 1: is then four days later you got another game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, you know, And now now it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you've you've exhausted that, you've you've lost Chaz Green, and
Speaker 1: then it's Byron Bell the rest of the way or
Speaker 1: until you know, for at least for the Chargers game,
Speaker 1: and the Chargers the Chargers have better rushers on the
Speaker 1: outside than what the Eagles have, and and I respect
Speaker 1: what the Eagles have, but you better figure it out
Speaker 1: quick because the next two games, you know, are going
Speaker 1: to be very difficult for your tackles to have to
Speaker 1: deal with. And it might be that you have to
Speaker 1: rest tying for one more week here against the Eagles
Speaker 1: and just say, okay, he's going in, he's going to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, against the charge he's gonna go against the Chargers,
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna turn on and go against the Redskins.
Speaker 1: That's what you might have to do that and that
Speaker 1: should figure into their thinking if he's not totally ready
Speaker 1: to go, right, do you you know? Do you you
Speaker 1: don't want to have another situation where you get it
Speaker 1: out there like Sean Lee. How long Sean Lee go for?
Speaker 1: How many games did we have him back for? He played? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's play. He got hurt in the fourth fourth game,
Speaker 1: so yeah, but it wasn't well, I guess it was
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing. It didn't happen the same thing. No,
Speaker 1: we got pushed in the back and it kind of
Speaker 1: jolted him a little bit. Yeah, that's what happens guy
Speaker 1: when completely healthy. Let me ask you this real quick,
Speaker 1: do you want to go to break? No? No, you
Speaker 1: had a quick Sean Lee question. Do you think when
Speaker 1: he does get back, do you think maybe you could
Speaker 1: reduce his snaps a little bit? I know you need
Speaker 1: him all the time, but you don't play defense without him,
Speaker 1: which is I know, but like when he comes I know,
Speaker 1: I off two hamstring injuries. Can you play him sixty
Speaker 1: snaps a game? My uh mo Claiborn bubble rap theory? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean better, better does keep him until week nine?
Speaker 1: Better forty five snaps than none. The problem is you'd
Speaker 1: love to be able to do that. But what happened,
Speaker 1: what happened in the play. The only played the Kansas
Speaker 1: City play series, The Kansas City The Hill Mary. He's
Speaker 1: off the field and they score, you know, so, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: every time you think about taking him off the field,
Speaker 1: you run a risk of giving up points. And the
Speaker 1: fact that you don't have any really simbilance of a
Speaker 1: running game, a consistent running game. How do you control
Speaker 1: the clock? How do you control you know? I mean
Speaker 1: they're looking for solutions. No, no, you are. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it's not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: take him off the field, and it's not a matter
Speaker 1: of if you replace him with Hitchens, then who you
Speaker 1: place in Hitchens with. That's I'm saying, if you had somebody,
Speaker 1: if you had somebody that could step into Mike linebacker,
Speaker 1: let Hitchens play will during a game and you felt
Speaker 1: really great about it. Well, maybe maybe that's maybe that's Smith,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe reduced Smith. Maybe the guy that doesn't come
Speaker 1: off the field is Anthony Hitchins because he plays two spots.
Speaker 1: He's been playing great too. I think they don't have
Speaker 1: a true backup middle linebacker. That's that's that's healthy, that's fair.
Speaker 1: And they made the decision that Jalen was going to
Speaker 1: be that guy they did. I guess they thought Durant
Speaker 1: could do with something. But he's not a middle linebacker.
Speaker 1: He retired. He retired, so he was your He was
Speaker 1: your security blanket in case something happened. And like I said,
Speaker 1: it might be this week of who do you like better?
Speaker 1: A veteran that's kind of you know, playing the back
Speaker 1: nine right now or march Lillard who you said, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what you're We're good enough, You're good enough
Speaker 1: to go. We like you as a special teams guy,
Speaker 1: and we like you a little bit as a defensive player.
Speaker 1: So with all that being said, maybe that's what they
Speaker 1: need to do. You know what that guy reminds me
Speaker 1: of every time I say him, and I can't think
Speaker 1: of his name. The linebacker they had, the kind of
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Speaker 1: him and he runs like him. He think of them
Speaker 1: under He was an undersized basically from my era. No, no, no,
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Speaker 1: was the owner. That's exactly right, Kent. They were gonna
Speaker 1: walk There was some story that they were gonna walk
Speaker 1: off the court before the ball was tipped. Wow, that
Speaker 1: was two That was what twenty and twelve? What year
Speaker 1: was that? Something like that? A while ago? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that was twenty and twelve. It is a while ago,
Speaker 1: da five years, six years ago? That still. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, just did the de Bartlow family take
Speaker 1: the team away from their brother? Did she your that
Speaker 1: was that was a family feud there, Yeah, right, but
Speaker 1: he got I think that I think that he got
Speaker 1: himself in trouble. I think Benson's in the same boat
Speaker 1: down there in New New Orleans a little bit with
Speaker 1: the daughter. Yeah. But remember he got he got the barbelow,
Speaker 1: got booked up in Edwin Edwards, the governor of Louisiana
Speaker 1: some horse track stuff. Yeah, it was horse track stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so it was like they almost kind of forced him.
Speaker 1: I don't know that Jerry's done anything wrong. I didn't
Speaker 1: say I don't agree with a fifty million dollars base
Speaker 1: salary and a use of a private plane for the
Speaker 1: rest of your life and health insurance for your entire
Speaker 1: family for the rest of their lives. Yeah, that's pretty
Speaker 1: good if you can get it. No, that's where that's where,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think that, you know, his thought
Speaker 1: process is absolutely right, though if you think about you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what every CEO and guy makes
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there's I mean, we see sometimes
Speaker 1: when these CEOs get replaced at these huge corporations that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like they get this, the
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars to walk away and this and
Speaker 1: that and the other in stock and this and that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think he has a point considering
Speaker 1: when you look at what the other commissioners around the
Speaker 1: professional sports are paid, you don't have the issues. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have the television package everything in the NBA,
Speaker 1: but Adam Silver seems to do a pretty good job
Speaker 1: with what they're got going on in the NBA. I
Speaker 1: thought Jerry said sen million dollars a year very rationally
Speaker 1: on the fan this morning, that he pointed out that
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell is like sixty five, he's two thirds of
Speaker 1: the way through his current contracts and given the some
Speaker 1: of the issues they're dealing with in the league, there's
Speaker 1: plenty of time to work those out and there's not
Speaker 1: this immediate need for new contract talk. That's basically what
Speaker 1: Jerry said, and I thought he said it in a
Speaker 1: very rational way. Eighteen months he said, I got eighteen
Speaker 1: months left on his contract. Yep, eighty months. All right,
Speaker 1: Rob your Twitter poll, okay, anticipating it, Well, we've been
Speaker 1: talking about these three home games. They are home games
Speaker 1: in twelve days coming up, so simple, what's the Cowboys
Speaker 1: record going to be in that stretch zero to three,
Speaker 1: he wins. You guys think they got Eagles, Chargers, Redskins
Speaker 1: coming up. The answers are just zero one, two three,
Speaker 1: zero one and three, one and two, two and one
Speaker 1: or three and oh well, Brian Sarah, you know everything's
Speaker 1: must win. This team is just going to pull out
Speaker 1: the Jason Garrett. He has some Thanksgiving magic, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what? You know what? You guys, what did
Speaker 1: I say about the NFL yesterday? Yeah? What did I
Speaker 1: say about it? What I call She's a strange lady.
Speaker 1: He's a strange lady. The NFL. You should patent that.
Speaker 1: I love. It's a strange lady. I like their chances
Speaker 1: this weekend. I really do. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be Sunshine blowing up the rear guy, but I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you, though, when everything seems to be the darkest
Speaker 1: with this team, things are questionable and all kinds of stuff,
Speaker 1: they somehow pull things together, you know, And I do
Speaker 1: believe they have some pride. I do believe they got
Speaker 1: embarrassed last week in Atlanta, you know I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I you know what. Philadelphia has been
Speaker 1: riding a great streak right now, but this league has
Speaker 1: a way of balancing things out. Well, that was kind
Speaker 1: of my rationale. I picked the Falcons last week, and
Speaker 1: I felt like Atlanta was due offensively they did. Atlanta
Speaker 1: was probably the more desperate team, and I think I
Speaker 1: think that this. I think the Cowboys are desperate team.
Speaker 1: I really really do. I believe in that. I believe
Speaker 1: in that that you know that you find a way
Speaker 1: to win games, that you find a way to pull
Speaker 1: things together when people don't think you can do it.
Speaker 1: Can they be consistent? But I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna fall short of saying of fall short
Speaker 1: of saying three and oh, but I think two and
Speaker 1: one is clearly possible. They could lose to San Diego
Speaker 1: on a short week, or San Diego the rant the
Speaker 1: Chargers on a short week. I mean, the Chargers have
Speaker 1: found ways to lose games. It's amazing how they lose games.
Speaker 1: You guys familiar with Brian Downing just play center field
Speaker 1: for the Angels, right catcher, Actually catch your left field,
Speaker 1: you catch your left field. Yeah. Actually he started off
Speaker 1: at third base with the White Sox and I think
Speaker 1: moved to different anyway. Brad Sham's quote from him when
Speaker 1: he was with the Rangers, and Brad likes to say
Speaker 1: it all the time. He said, Brian Downing would come
Speaker 1: around and always remind Brad of this. He goes, just
Speaker 1: when you think you're in, you're out, and just when
Speaker 1: you think you're out, you're in. Yeah, and it's got
Speaker 1: a funny way of working out that way. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: ever start assuming one way or another they find a
Speaker 1: way to get this victory this week. You got a
Speaker 1: shot at winning three, you really really do. I'll take
Speaker 1: two and one, Tay go three and note, Tay don't
Speaker 1: want to. I'm gonna go tu and one. Well, tune
Speaker 1: one and I don't know if the one. I think
Speaker 1: you're right, Brad. I think this week they're gonna rally through.
Speaker 1: The one could be something like the Chargers, Well, the Redskins.
Speaker 1: He caught the Redskins when they were beat up pretty badly.
Speaker 1: Who are the people voting on this on Twitter? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're people, Mickey, the top you love? The top
Speaker 1: percentage is going to be oh and three. You're tired
Speaker 1: of the Twitter fan of Marchia getting after him today? No,
Speaker 1: they said two and one, one and two thirty percent
Speaker 1: and then they are split on oh and three or
Speaker 1: three and oh both fifteen percent. I think fans probably
Speaker 1: look at this stretch and say, Eagle's gonna be tough
Speaker 1: with all these injuries. Redskins offense when they're healthy is potent,
Speaker 1: but we usually they play well on Thanksgiving. They should
Speaker 1: at least get that one. But maybe that's today. So
Speaker 1: so say you go two and one, that's seven and five, right,
Speaker 1: then you got Oakland. Well you got the Giants, Giants, Giants,
Speaker 1: oak Oakland, Seattle and Philly. Yeah, if you want to
Speaker 1: make this very interesting, you better find a way to
Speaker 1: be seven and five at least. Yeah, you bet, because
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go then win it. Oakland, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have The Seattle game could very well come down
Speaker 1: to either getting hit or out on that one. And
Speaker 1: by the way, you get through with this three game stretch.
Speaker 1: And there is a chance, although a slim chance, that
Speaker 1: Zeke could be available against the Giants on December tenth,
Speaker 1: if he wins his appeal and they and they rule
Speaker 1: in time, that would be a huge, huge play for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I mean, it's it's people don't think it's
Speaker 1: likely all observers out there, but it's possible that he's
Speaker 1: only gonna miss the next three games. We'll see, Yeah,
Speaker 1: can't can't count on it. I'd like to believe. I
Speaker 1: could say divisional opponent, backs against the Wall game, and
Speaker 1: you've got to figure out a way to win without
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee. That's gonna be the key. You've got to
Speaker 1: figure out a way to win a game without Sean
Speaker 1: Lee and that and very likely could be these next
Speaker 1: three games. You know, we're here, we're talking two and
Speaker 1: one and all that, but you've got to find a way.
Speaker 1: You've got to have somebody step up, you know, and
Speaker 1: we talk about the depth, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard replace all pro players. All I know is
Speaker 1: they're five and one with him and oh and three
Speaker 1: without him. Yeah, so you gotta figure out a way
Speaker 1: to win one with him or where you get to
Speaker 1: our caller on the line, Mick. Some nice people tweeted
Speaker 1: in was it Ernie Ernie Simms? Yes, yes, thank you Simms.
Speaker 1: Didn't he go to Florida Gloria State? I thought he
Speaker 1: was Florida State. Oklahoma State, I'm pretty sure. No, not
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. I thought Florida State. Look up Ernie Simms
Speaker 1: I think he Well, I was in the right state,
Speaker 1: so you meant siminar one is in the Panhandle. Actually
Speaker 1: the state, actually they're both of them. He was born
Speaker 1: in Tallahouse. He would be a sin if actually they're
Speaker 1: both of the Panhandle. Think about it. Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a gold Lurida state as well. Ernie Sims, Yeah right,
Speaker 1: he was here long? How long was he here for
Speaker 1: a couple of years? That's two years now? Thirty two? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where it wasn't that long ago? Where have you gone,
Speaker 1: Ernie Simms? The years he was here, he was strapped
Speaker 1: at the top with your top ten. Was the first
Speaker 1: round pit by the by the Lions team, he's with
Speaker 1: the old Falcon. He was with the Falcons. Kind of
Speaker 1: asked McLean like former top pick and bring him in.
Speaker 1: After that he was I think it was the ninth
Speaker 1: overall pick team I write about that. By the wife
Speaker 1: was here from twenty twelve to twenty thirteen. Okay, so
Speaker 1: well it was it was after wad. Yeah, Hey, let's
Speaker 1: go os. Thank whoever sent that in. By the way,
Speaker 1: thank you guys. People you hate Mickey the fans? What
Speaker 1: is the question? Hey, what's going on? Guys? Hey? Um no,
Speaker 1: I wanted. I was at the game, and really, you know,
Speaker 1: I was wondering when after the after halftime, when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys came out and they were running the ball, and
Speaker 1: it just brought me back to the Super Bowl when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were playing the Bills here in Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: you know, they weren't doing really well, just like they
Speaker 1: did here. But then they came out and they ran
Speaker 1: the ball, and they ran the ball and we were
Speaker 1: moving the ball got all the way down to the
Speaker 1: twelve yard line. I don't know why we stopped running
Speaker 1: the ball. We could have ran it on in board
Speaker 1: touched now would it say answer the game? And I
Speaker 1: actually thought that's what we were doing. But then you
Speaker 1: allow your weakness to kill you. Chad Green gives up aside.
Speaker 1: You can't do that, So that to me was coaching.
Speaker 1: I actually thought we were doing really well and you
Speaker 1: just gotta ride. I don't know what it is that
Speaker 1: people don't realize, but you gotta ride the running train.
Speaker 1: It would have we would have won a game if
Speaker 1: we had to roll the running train. Seattle would have
Speaker 1: won the People Ball if they would have rolled the
Speaker 1: running train. You know, you gotta do that. But my
Speaker 1: question to you is you know, I had a couple
Speaker 1: of questions. First one is Anthony Brown starting because Woozier
Speaker 1: is injured and we don't really have anybody else because
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that he's probably given up
Speaker 1: of the passing touchdowns that Dallas has given up. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's trailing the path. I would bet money on that.
Speaker 1: And my second question is coming up. I wish we
Speaker 1: would have really tried to throw a lot of money
Speaker 1: at trying to get an Evolve bowling I mean really
Speaker 1: overspent because it's no everybody knows that Shaun Lee is
Speaker 1: not going to make it through a whole season, and
Speaker 1: that's got to be our number one draft party is
Speaker 1: getting a leader, either a free safety like they have
Speaker 1: in Seattle that runs to defense, or a middle linebacker
Speaker 1: like a naval bowman that comes in like he does
Speaker 1: in Oakland and took over and now he's the leader
Speaker 1: of that defense. We're gonna need somebody because Shaun Lee
Speaker 1: is not going to be able to play another full season.
Speaker 1: I mean he's getting that the tail end of his career.
Speaker 1: So I want to hug you guys think about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, Horace than So and Hey, Horace. I love you.
Speaker 1: It's a great it's a great second guess. Yeah, first
Speaker 1: and ten at the twelve. If they did run the
Speaker 1: ball the next time and they lost two yards, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I finally got a chance to go back and
Speaker 1: look at the play. If if if rod Smith doesn't
Speaker 1: stumble coming out of the backfield, they've got a passed
Speaker 1: to the running back who's it was actually Morrise that stumble,
Speaker 1: because it was Morrise that came out of back Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he comes back inside to try and look at Bryant.
Speaker 1: It's what happened. Yeah, But he looked like he was
Speaker 1: gonna go there. He stumble, and I gotta give up
Speaker 1: on here. He gave up. Yeah, he had he had
Speaker 1: about that five or six full yards and one on
Speaker 1: one with a linebacker. And then when he had to
Speaker 1: come back and he's looking inside Bryant. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: too late. Like the thing about it was, though, I think,
Speaker 1: if you have Elliott, you might run it there twice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. Had Elliot at the first and ten at
Speaker 1: the twelve, you get inside the six, you handed to
Speaker 1: Elliott again, you know, you get inside the one, you
Speaker 1: hand it to Elliott again, you know, or you or
Speaker 1: you got your read option with dak back. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're poison using that, the two of them. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean it was almost like they had planned that. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's our play when we get down close to the
Speaker 1: ten yard line. Yeah, and then the stumble kind of
Speaker 1: threw someone threw up. It's funny now that everybody's kind
Speaker 1: of got on the Sean Lee can't stay healthy train again. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we got to lay all last year and
Speaker 1: I and I just missed the last game of the year,
Speaker 1: right because they held him out, held him out. But see,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. It was a time there. Now
Speaker 1: with the move to will linebacker that he that he's
Speaker 1: his health had improved. Now everybody is like, and no
Speaker 1: offense horse. I appreciate you List, You're one of the
Speaker 1: good guys out there. But everybody's now the narrative becomes, well,
Speaker 1: shun Lee can't stay healthy, Shaun Lee can't play. We
Speaker 1: need to do something better than shan Lee, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I and I you know, two to three years ago,
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. But the fact that they
Speaker 1: moved him to will linebacker, he's been able to stay healthy,
Speaker 1: he's been able to play in games, all those things.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know. I think the narrative
Speaker 1: is a little you know, it's it's like that low
Speaker 1: hanging fruit stuff. You know. Here's the issue with that is,
Speaker 1: unless you make a big splash and free agency next year,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the best player on your defense next
Speaker 1: year too. So you know, I don't think you go
Speaker 1: out and you spend a first round pick on his replacement.
Speaker 1: You still need him, You still need him on the field,
Speaker 1: and you still have to count on him being on
Speaker 1: the field for you. Sean Lee, we love you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: navorro Bowman two. By the way, you had no chance
Speaker 1: in that one. Yeah, we talked about that at length.
Speaker 1: He wasn't coming here. We had a full show about
Speaker 1: the possibilities kids. I mean, you talk about overspin but
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna It wasn't money, it was family. He went.
Speaker 1: He stayed in the Bay Area. Yeah, his kids. He
Speaker 1: bought a boat and went across the water. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: did as mclang. So Anthony Brown, Yeah, you gotta play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you go Nickel, all right, you gotta be out
Speaker 1: there and on the touchdown with the guy back of
Speaker 1: the end zone. Xavier Woods didn't get any depths. Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods got caught like a deer in the headlights. Yes
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, well good, which I sat in my tweet.
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