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Speaker 1: Oh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast that's

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Speaker 1: normally about the worst people in all of history and

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Speaker 1: is normally named Behind the Bastards. Uh. But you know

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Speaker 1: we've got something special for you this week and moving forward.

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Speaker 1: But first I'm going to bring on our guests for today,

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Speaker 1: Margaret kill Joy. That's me, Hi, Hi Margaret. How are

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Speaker 1: you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. I'm really excited that you've rebranded the

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Speaker 2: show to be Parenting Tips for the Unmarried.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that is exactly it tip number one.

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Speaker 3: Wait did you actually sen just disassociating? No.

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Speaker 1: Actually, so here's the thing. Here's the thing, here's the

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Speaker 1: thing that I'm behind Bastards in an introduce, are our

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Speaker 1: audience too, because we're we're changing the name of the podcast. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: This is a big deal.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: You may have heard the Indian Parliament is voting right

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Speaker 1: now on whether or not to change the name of

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Speaker 1: their country to Bahrat. And I just want to prep

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Speaker 1: everybody because the instant they drop that name, your boys

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Speaker 1: picking it up. This podcast is going to officially be India. Now.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are saying Pakistan has

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Speaker 1: been in line for a while for that one. But

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Pakistan is not going to be able to

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Speaker 1: change on a dime as quickly as Sophie can change

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Speaker 1: the name of our Twitter account. And I think that's

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have bad news for you about the nuclear

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Speaker 2: capacity of Pakistan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's true.

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Speaker 3: But also I was disassociated again. But is he talking

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Speaker 3: about the India thing again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to do it.

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Speaker 3: We're going to do it.

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Speaker 1: Incredible.

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Speaker 3: I only have to listen to like every two words

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Speaker 3: in your sentences and I'm still up to date.

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Speaker 1: I think I think this is going to be how

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Speaker 1: we make a lot more money because here's the thing

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Speaker 1: behind the bastard's pretty good podcast title. Good name recognition

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Speaker 1: after this time India, that's that's brand recognition right there.

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Speaker 1: That's true. You know everybody, everybody knows India. Right You're

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Speaker 1: gonna get people listening just because you know they're interested

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Speaker 1: in in in the country or whatever. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's you know, cash in the bank baby. So sorry, Pakistan,

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Speaker 1: but the new India is here and it's uh, well,

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Speaker 1: this week it's it's several hours of discussing Men's adventure

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Speaker 1: magazines from the nineteen forties.

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Speaker 3: Oh I remember why? Okay, So there are there are

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Speaker 3: things you'll be showing now, Margaret.

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Speaker 1: We have not we have not done with you a

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Speaker 1: book episode yet. Yeah, you know, how are you feeling it?

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Speaker 1: Do you think you're ready? The vibe are different, this

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Speaker 2: I I'm so ready. I was born ready to look

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Speaker 2: through trashy old magazines. They're trashy, right they are.

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Speaker 1: So they're fascinating, Margaret. Here, here's like, is this.

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Speaker 2: Boy's life or like highlights for kids? Or is this

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Speaker 2: like whatever came before Playboy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's closer to Playboy. It's it's closer to Playboy.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Margaret. You know, I anybody who

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Speaker 1: knows you knows that you're a big You're a big fan.

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Speaker 1: You love Christmas, huge Christmas, Eth And anyone who knows

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Speaker 1: you knows you also knows you're a member of an obscure,

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Speaker 1: this is a Christmas gift for you to celebrate the

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Speaker 1: book you published this year, Escape from in Cell Island. Oh, Okay, good, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because your book, you know, is a is a fun

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Speaker 1: one of the more interesting things about that book. So, Margaret,

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Speaker 2: I have so much respect for the art of like

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Speaker 1: And I have that the retrospect, Yeah yeah, and this

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Speaker 2: I also love that they had to like specifically say

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Speaker 2: that like Musley guys fighting crabs is just adventure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be horny and deeply dismissive of women.

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Speaker 1: The first that you have gotten remarkably close to guessing

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Speaker 1: True Adventure was the first magazine in the men's adventure genre.

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Speaker 1: All of these have the straightest names for publications. They

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Speaker 3: I would not like to attend that event.

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Speaker 1: The kind of articles that these public that these magazines

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Speaker 1: of Man Story from nineteen sixty two features the incredible

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Speaker 1: ten faults that make You Repulsive to Women, which I

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Speaker 1: think I've run across that exact title in modern articles before.

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Speaker 2: So wait, So, actually, you and I would be the

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Speaker 2: perfect people to start this magazine and.

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Speaker 1: Get more enough.

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Speaker 2: We could do this because both of our careers are this.

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Speaker 2: I write pulp fiction and you write listicals. We could

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Speaker 2: we could make this happen, Margaret right. All we need

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Speaker 2: is somebody who can draw really slutty men fighting off crabs.

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Speaker 2: I'm Cheryl will find it.

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Speaker 1: So before we get into some of these stories for ourselves,

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Speaker 1: It covers the history of these magazines and at one

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Speaker 1: Dad told me that he felt adventure magazines were towards

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Speaker 2: You actually did exactly the best thing possible. You proved

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Speaker 1: he could almost taste the rich, hot coffee. He could

435
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: even see rows and rows of juicy fat apple pies

436
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: and dark brown chocolate frosted cakes, all the good sweet

437
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: things of life waiting to be eaten. The angry eyes

438
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: open and stared at the window again. If he went

439
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: inside and asked for something to eat, the old man

440
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: would laugh at him, push him, and tell him to

441
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: get out. In the big pocket of his torn dungarees,

442
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: he felt the cold hardness of the bone handled knife.

443
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: He pressed his thumb against the switchblade button, knowing the

444
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: safety catch was on. I hate you, daddy, oh, he

445
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: murmured softly. I don't have to beg nobody. I could

446
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: just walk in there and take what I want, daddy O.

447
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: And I ain't gonna walk no more on this dirty

448
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: old road. I'm gonna get me some wheels, old daddy O.

449
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get me some nice shiny wheels.

450
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: This is the who song, see.

451
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 1: Margaret, authors used to know it a write dialogue, you know,

452
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: before this, before we are ruined? Yeah, daddy, Oh you

453
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 1: gotta put that in there, like three times.

454
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: They know he's a greaser, and like, bring back those adverbs,

455
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, like people adverbs and they're writing

456
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: is terrible. We need more adverbs.

457
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: No more adverbs, especially when you're getting paid probably like

458
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: a heartbreaking amount of money per letter here or yeah,

459
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: like no way more than any writer gets today.

460
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they probably got paid more per word than

461
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 2: the current going rate, not adjusted for inflation.

462
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost certainly. Well, we're going to get back to

463
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: Greaser with a switchblade. Yeah, after after this ad from

464
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: the Rosicrucians. Ah, we're back, and uh, I hope you

465
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: all found a new correspondence school to finally make you

466
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: feel like a man or whatever. Anyway, let's get back

467
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: to Greaser with a switch.

468
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hungry, but the problem is that he doesn't

469
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: have food and he is the bad guy.

470
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: Oh oh, that's not the problem, Margaret, that's just where

471
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: that's just where we're starting. Don't worry. This is a

472
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: believable villain. Okay, okay, yeah absolutely. In the near distance,

473
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 1: headlights glowed along the hillcrest, flashed over the top, then

474
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: dipped down. The leather jacket melted further back into the shadows.

475
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: The kid watched the giant bug eyes sweep down the

476
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: hill and then turn into the diner. The car crunched

477
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: to a stop in the gravel. A moment later, the

478
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: car door slammed and a man stood silhouetted in the

479
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: light of the diner window. The jacket didn't move until

480
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: the man was inside, sitting at the counter, smoking a

481
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: cigarette and looking at the menu. Then the black leather

482
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: jacket walked slowly across the road, scuffing the paper, thin

483
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: soles and worn heels over the tar. A high nasal voice,

484
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: screeching a rock and roll song wailed through the diner

485
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: as he swung the door open. How does Sonny, the

486
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: old man called from behind the counter. Pop grinned, showing

487
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: twoless gums. Wary flashing eyes, skimmed over the old man

488
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: and searched the room, sweeping past several wooden tables draped

489
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: with red and white oilcloth, some straight back wooden chairs,

490
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: a pinball machine, and the colored lights of the jukebox.

491
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: There was a door in the back wall. The youth

492
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: size fastened on the little man, who had turned from

493
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: the counter to look at him. The little man wore

494
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: money clothes, a buttersoft dark sport coat, knit sports shirt,

495
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: cream colored slacks, and shiny black tuled loafers. Come on, kid,

496
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: sit down, the little man said, smiling. Pop toss a

497
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: couple burgers for the kid. Two more pop specials coming up,

498
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: the old I realize I'm now using the same voice

499
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: for popping the old man. It's the gist of it is,

500
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: they're actually very nice and willing to give him free hamburgers. Yeah,

501
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: but this the switchblade punk just is gets angrier and angrier,

502
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: and in fact, he's just like continually filled with more

503
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: rage as these men try to do nice things for him.

504
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: And eventually, you know, the man who buys him the

505
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: hamburgers explains that he's a traveling salesman and he's had

506
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: a tough life too. Write you know, he had a

507
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: period of time when he was younger where where he

508
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: was living a little bit rougher, and so he empathized

509
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: correspondent a school to have corresponded school. It became a

510
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: rich lawyer. Yeah, yeah, So the two of them like

511
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: talk for a little while. And this guy Morell is

512
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: like a long time ago. I was a wild, hungry

513
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: punk like you. Maybe if someone would have staked me

514
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: to a meal in a few bucks, it would have

515
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: changed a lot of things for me. Morel's voice became softer.

516
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: I had a lot of dreams once, a lot of

517
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: big dreams. Unexpectedly, he spun the spoon on the countertop.

518
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: It fell to the floor with a shop clatter. But

519
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: that's another story, Joe Morell. That's me, friend of stray

520
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: dogs and cats and hungry kids. Morel took out his wallet,

521
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: and the kid's eyes grew wide. He'd never seen so

522
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: much money. Morell picked out two five dollars bills and

523
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: cost him on the counter in front of Smitty. I

524
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: ain't begging, mister, Smitty said, between clinched teeth. No one

525
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: said you were. Morrell replied stiffly, I'm trying to do

526
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: something decent. Take it. Smitty ground the cigarette into the

527
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: center of the top five dollars bill. I didn't ask

528
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: for no favors. Morell jumped to his feet and grabbed

529
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: Smitty's arm. Why you crazy kid. I had to put

530
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: you across my knee and warm you're fanning. Fanny meant

531
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: a different thing back then. So at this point it

532
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: becomes clear this kid is deranged, you know, just angrier

533
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: and angrier that these people have tried to feed him,

534
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: and like any person in this any kind of drifter

535
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: in this situation, when you offer him food, he pulls

536
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: out a switchblade and murders the old man and takes

537
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: you hostage. Oh my god. Yeah that went further what

538
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna do right, Yeah, and that's how he kidnaps

539
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: the little kid. They have to like guide the child

540
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: out over like the bleeding corpse of the old man. Yeah,

541
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: he goes. It goes very fast from like nice man

542
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: offering a drifter a sandwich to the drifter murdering everybody

543
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: and kidnapping them. I like that.

544
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: The old Christian stories are like, yeah he was secretly Jesus,

545
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: the beggar you gave money to, was like, I am

546
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: your Lord and savior. What you do for the least

547
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: of a you do for me. And the nineteen forties

548
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: version is or sixties whatever is, they're going to murder you.

549
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: God, yeah, yeah, it's uh it's very good money. So people,

550
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Margaret magazines back in this day, uh,

551
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: were one of the worst forms of consuming media that

552
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: anyone ever invented. So after several pages of the story,

553
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: we're told to turn to page eighty nine. Oh yeah,

554
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we'll get back to it later. But I

555
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about why this story

556
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: exists because I looked into this some because I was like,

557
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, I think for most people of like my age,

558
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure of your age too, the like the primary

559
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: like touch point of a greaser is like the fawns, right, Like,

560
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: that's like, that's the archetypal greaser. Maybe you think back

561
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: to oh, what's that that musical? That's the just in

562
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: the Travolta travolt No, the one that Travolta was in

563
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: the gangs fight. You're the one that I want Greece

564
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: Greece grease, right, you know? Yeah, those those are kind

565
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think some you know, some some West

566
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: Side stories a little bit of that. Sure, I sure

567
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: don't so.

568
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: Okay it was bad.

569
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: They are you know, the greaser is a an innocuous,

570
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: charming figure generally totally like that is not what Greasers

571
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: were back in the Greaser era. Right, they were the

572
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: source of a bona fide moral panic.

573
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: Right.

574
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: Greasers were punks, right, They were like traveling anarchist punk kids, right,

575
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: Like that was that was the attitude that mainstream society

576
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 1: had towards the Greasers. They were poor, low class guys.

577
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: We don't exactly know where the word comes from, but

578
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 1: it probably started out as a phrase to describe motorcycle mechanics.

579
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, grease, that's that's another theory for it, Like, yeah,

580
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think there's a perfectly known, like

581
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: exact etymology of the term, at least from from the

582
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: bit that I've read. But greaser's again in the kind

583
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: of most common pictures of them are like, yeah, the

584
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: fawns and stuff. But a lot of Greasers, like the

585
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: first wave of these guys, were not white people, right.

586
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: They were black and Hispanic kids from economically depressed areas

587
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: that did not benefit from the postwar boom that characterized

588
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: so much of the American experience in this era, Greasers

589
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: were also tied into the very new phenomenon of motorcycle gangs,

590
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: which also scared the hell out of a lot of people, right, Now,

591
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: the actual term greaser did not come into common usage

592
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: until the act the subculture had pretty much died out.

593
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: We're talking like the end of the sixties, right. The

594
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: book that kind of popularized the term greaser was Essie

595
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: Hinton's The Outsiders, and you know, that book was really popular,

596
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: and then it kind of that and some other books

597
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: that sort of and then like TV shows and movies

598
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: that had kind of dealt with greasers kind of lodged

599
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: themselves in the imagination of a generation of filmmakers who

600
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: were little kids in the forties. Right in fifties, guys

601
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: like George Lucas, right, you know, and then you know,

602
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: guys like George Lucas made films that featured greasers and

603
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: kind of cemented the cultural image of them as something

604
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: that was was not evil, right, But if you're going

605
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: back to like the forties and fifties, they were often

606
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: seen as like these are dangerous, like often kind of

607
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: like foreign influences in our communities. They're violent, they've got

608
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: these switchblades, which there was also kind of a moral

609
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: panic about the danger of switchblades.

610
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: Well, that's why we still can't wint by them. And

611
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: half the stake it's just like nonsense. There's nothing that

612
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: makes that a more dangerous weapon than Yeah, it was

613
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: like that to carry a gun and I can't carry

614
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: a yeah push button knife.

615
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: Like no, it's just interesting to me that like very much.

616
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: When you read this story, it's like modern conservative fears

617
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: of like homeless people, a fucking Antifa of all this stuff,

618
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: Like it is the same. But it's like it's it's

619
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: to this figure that has been thoroughly recuperated as like respectable,

620
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: like the graseres a good kid. You know, maybe he

621
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: gets into a couple of little fist fights, but they're

622
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, he's not a bad guy. He's a you know,

623
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: he's cool. He's he's like fifties cool. He's like no,

624
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: they were definitely not seen as cool. They were seen

625
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: as like, you know, a dangerous threat to public morals,

626
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: which is cool. Like mainstream attitude was not that, right, Yeah, this, this,

627
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: this story is what the mainstream attitude was, like, these

628
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: are dangerous rift drifters and stuff, right, I do think

629
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: that makes them cooler, But that's that is I didn't

630
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: know that. I wasn't really aware of like the etymology

631
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: or the history of like the Greaser is a cultural figure. Yeah,

632
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: so that's pretty sweet. So I should now let you

633
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: know that. Immediately after this fascinating article follows follows the

634
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: My Favorite Girl photo contest. This is uh, you're supposed

635
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: to take a picture of your girlfriend, right or your

636
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: wife and send it into this magazine to be published.

637
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: They don't note a whole bunch of time, we will

638
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: not publish this without a letter where the girl signs

639
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: off on her photo being used.

640
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

641
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: So this must have been a problem that they had.

642
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: But I think what say, is the first one that's

643
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 3: a child.

644
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: That uh probably is a child. Yeah. So one of

645
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: the fun things about these magazines is that absolutely everyone

646
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: in them is fine with adults fucking sixteen year olds,

647
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: not a problem that any of the people writing these

648
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: magazines seem to have had. Yeah, we will talk more

649
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: about that later. At least four out of five of

650
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: them are probably adults. Yeah, probably, Yeah, maybe it's not great. Uh,

651
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: we'll just move on here. Yeah.

652
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: So, and they're not like for anyone who's.

653
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: They're not porn it's not porn out all these nobody's naked. Yeah,

654
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: And in fact, it's kind of like it's pretty quaint,

655
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: like the person that we think as a child is

656
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: like fully clothed and only visible from like the neck up,

657
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: and is standing in front of a bar. One of

658
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: the ladies is like sitting in a pumpkin pat showing

659
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: off her prized pumpkins. Yeah, and not in a like

660
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: way that you might be thinking, just like, not in

661
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: a in all a lascivious way. Yeah, these are There's

662
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: nothing like particularly objectional about the photos themselves. We're gonna

663
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: talk about All the Girls Loved Danny, which, as best

664
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: as I can tell, is a fantasy story meant to

665
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: titillate men with the free wheeling life of a sixty

666
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: style bachelor with a little black book. But since the

667
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: story again, these are kind of soft core porn mags

668
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: of their time. But also the time is the sixties,

669
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: so like you have to be pretty soft with the

670
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: soft core, right like this is this is not stuff

671
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: that even even the the the most like upset about

672
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: sex you know person today would not find most of

673
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: this particularly risque in this magazine. There are some that

674
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: are just like naked people right Yeah, But but Climax,

675
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: oddly enough, is one of the tamer ones that I've

676
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: come across. Yeah, So I find this interesting because it's

677
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: this like literal cultural insight into this like idealized, pseudo

678
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: idealized figure of like the the Hugh Hefner kind of bachelor. Right,

679
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: this is the period of time in which the concept

680
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: of a bachelor of like you know, this kind of

681
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: like man of leisure has started, because largely because of

682
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner, has started to become a thing. And this

683
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: dude is very much the dude in the story is

684
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: very much invented in that image. Because this is the time.

685
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: It is the story can't endorse him sleeping around constantly,

686
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: so it while it describes his like outrageously prolific sex life,

687
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: he's like constantly exhausted by the sheer number of dames.

688
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: He's got a ball every week. Right, He's just like

689
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: unhappy about all of the ladies. He's got a fuck

690
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: And that's why the story, by the way, yeah, like

691
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: this is a story about him like falling in love

692
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: and like settling down with one woman. But you do

693
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: get quote, and it's, by by the way, apparently by

694
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: a woman. Now, the fact that it says it's by

695
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: Dorothy Glazer doesn't mean it was written by that person.

696
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: Because they would just kind of stick names on a

697
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: lot of these. But uh, here's here's how this thing opens,

698
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: because it gives some insight into a moment in culture.

699
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: Danny yawned into the mouthpiece, listening to the buzz click

700
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: buzz in his left ear as he glanced idly at

701
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: the pencil list in his hand. He knew the list well,

702
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: he'd been working on it all evening. It was the

703
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: plan for the week. Tuesday, Alice, Wednesday, eleanor Thursday, Turkish baths,

704
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: Friday Flow, Saturday, question mark, Sunday poker.

705
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: Can I just say, I don't care.

706
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: I think it's great. So this man's living the ideal life,

707
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: doesn't remember his Saturdays, and then over to poker on Sunday.

708
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: I once again the question mark. I'm not even curious.

709
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't want to know.

710
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: I know, I know it's somebody's.

711
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: Like mystery thing. I'm like, well, do tell no.

712
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's trying to figure it out. He's gotta

713
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: he's got to find a lady for Saturday or for fright, yeah, Saturday.

714
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: Otherwise you know he hasn't He's not living his sixties

715
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: life properly.

716
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 2: See, But if he kept this sabbath. Holy, it wouldn't

717
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: be a problem.

718
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: You're right, then, he would. Then he could finally get

719
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: some respite from these greedy women. Yeah, this is a

720
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: hell of a way to spend a Monday night, he

721
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: thought sleepily. I wish I were at the Turkish baths

722
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: right now. As soon as I get Saturday night filled in,

723
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: I'll hit the sack, just exhausted from writing eleven words

724
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper completely. It's like, you know

725
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: what a Turkish bath like a a I mean a

726
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: lot of times historically they are, but like a Turkish bath,

727
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: it's kind of like if you've read about like Roman

728
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: baths and stuff. Yeah, a success or to that. It's

729
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: like a big public bait. They'll have hot poles and

730
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: cool poles massages in them.

731
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: But is there subtext in what he's like? Problem, is

732
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: it like the dudes that.

733
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: Day or like no, No, I think it's more like

734
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: this is just like a place that cool sex having

735
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: dudes will go to to like compare them cigars and

736
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: a bath and like, yeah, talk about all the sex

737
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: they're having with sixties girls. I think that's more or

738
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: less what okay here? Yeah? Yeah, So as soon as

739
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: I get Saturday night filled in, I'll hit the sack.

740
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: But not until then, not if I have to call

741
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: every number in the Little Black Book. If I don't

742
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: feel Saturday, I'm really in trouble. He recognized the eager

743
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: voice that answered his call, and he sat up alertly,

744
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: his voice a model of cheerful charm. Hi, Gloria, Baby,

745
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: how's the girl? Why Danny? How lovely to hear from

746
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: you after all this time? He ignored the little dig

747
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: that's the best chet Yeah dancer in the world. Eh,

748
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: feel like doing it again? Say Saturday night? Saturday. She

749
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: managed to express doubt and interest in the one word,

750
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: and he could tell she wanted to be coaxed a bit,

751
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: but Danny just yawned again and waited. After a brief

752
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: silent Gloria went on brightly, Why I guess that would

753
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: be all right. Saturday happens to be the one night

754
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm free this week, aren't you lucky? Danny smiled smugly

755
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: at the receiver. Pick you up at six, baby, we'll

756
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: have dinner and make a real night of it. So

757
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: this is uh, yeah, it's good. We get into you know,

758
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: he says, like, yes, she knew what She knew exactly

759
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: what he meant. All the girls on the list were

760
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: available to make a real night of it. Wonderful darling,

761
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: she said, I've missed you terribly. Same here, he lied,

762
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: I have to rush now, sweets see a Saturday. Danny

763
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: sighed deeply, replacing the phone in its cradle. He was

764
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: safe for a while anyway, and he knew he ought

765
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: to be damn glad of it, but he felt sunk, miserable.

766
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: He wanted a net with an ache that was frightening

767
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: and its force and persistence filling in Gloria's name next

768
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: to Saturday night. He thought about the past three weeks

769
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: the same routine as this, the only thing different being

770
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: the girls, blondes brunette's redheads, tall, short, slim, plump. Yet

771
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: they all reacted the same way, willing easy, just like

772
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: the girls who had satisfied him for ten of his

773
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: twenty six years. Again, a lot of sixteen year olds

774
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: having saxony stories. But now as long as everyone involved

775
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: as sixteen, I let's not assume that.

776
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: But now there were nothing worth the nice.

777
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: But now they were nothing more than safeguards against his

778
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: desire for a net, Although not one of them was

779
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: capable of appeasing his desire. Danny stood up and rubbed

780
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: a hand across his throbbing forehead. As he started to undress,

781
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: he remembered his father's advice. It had guided him in

782
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: perfect happiness and safety all this time, but something was

783
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: wrong now. It just wasn't working as smoothly as it

784
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: used to. Smoking in bed and staring at the ceiling,

785
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: Danny relived what had been one of the most important

786
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: hours of his youth. Of course, his twenty first birthday

787
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: had been notable as a present, his father had given

788
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: him an interest in his enormously successful manufacturing business just

789
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: three years before he had died. But most memorable was

790
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: Danny's sixteenth birthday, when his father had taken him out

791
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: for a walk and manda man talk Danny. Mister Taylor

792
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: had said, you're dating girls now, and you're beginning to

793
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: get ideas like a man. Now. I'm not asking you,

794
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: I know. Danny had shuffled along beside his father, his

795
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: face flaming. Suddenly, he had shoved his hands in his

796
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: pockets and couldn't say a word. And I won't tell

797
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: you not to get involved. His father had gone on,

798
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: I know damn well, you will anyway, so I say,

799
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: go ahead. It's perfectly normal and natural. But let me

800
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: give you some advice. First of all, there's safety in numbers.

801
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: Go with a lot of girls, not just one. And

802
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: most important of all, don't mess around with nice girls.

803
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: There are always plenty who are even more willing than you.

804
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: If a girl says no, drop her, forget her, she

805
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: doesn't even exist. There will always be another one who

806
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: knows the score, even at your age. Daddy, I guess

807
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad that he said drop them.

808
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: Right, that's like oddly wholesome.

809
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, better than better than I had expected. Fifty in numbers, Yeah, yeah,

810
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: So he sticks to these words, you know, religiously until

811
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: he meets and now Danny suddenly remembered the words his

812
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: father had added, words that had never been of any

813
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: importance before, because he'd never been bothered by this desire.

814
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: If you persuade a nice girl, if you romancer into

815
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: ignoring what she's been told not to do, she'll never

816
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: let you go. She'll convince herself that it's love, and

817
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: she'll hang on to you till she gets you to

818
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: marry her. Be careful of that trap.

819
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: Dad's advice thanks daddy, O, men hate women the history.

820
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: Let's take let's take a fucking capitalism break.

821
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take let's wash this taste of that out

822
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: of our mouths with a little bit of capitalism. Baby Jesus,

823
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: we're back. So after this story moves on to I

824
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: don't know, page one hundred and twelve or some bullshit,

825
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: we get a photo spread for I think it's called

826
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: Pigallee or whatever. It's a French tourist trap fucking magazine.

827
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: They're very long ones, they're massive, and this is an

828
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: excuse to show girl dancers, go go dancers who have

829
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: their whole breast spared. Right, It's just like this is

830
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: this is the porn part of it. Uh. Then we

831
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: get to a story called The Hunter Who Died Twice,

832
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: which is a story about cannibalism and I believe a

833
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: zombie white hunter in the bush of Africa. It's not

834
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: very good, but it's followed by another World War two

835
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 1: story and then Buccaneer Burko and the Slave Girls, which

836
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: is quite fun. I say fun, quite racist. So the

837
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: story opens with the requisite boarding action by a group

838
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 1: of pirates led by the notorious Burco, an Irish stereotype

839
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: so offensive. It's almost as bad as the racist caricature

840
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: of an Asian man on the cover art, like it

841
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: is he is. There's like so many lines about like yeah,

842
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, yeah, fascinating. Yeah. So, after they defeat a

843
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: merchant vessel's crew at all, discover a group of slave women. Now,

844
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: this is largely a wish fulfillment story, featuring a fetishized

845
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: irishman as captain who notably refuses to molest any of

846
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: the captured women, although the rest of his crew is

847
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: allowed to yeah, and winds up yeah, falling for this

848
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: redheaded slave woman who looks like the girls back home

849
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: and Tipperary. Yeah, it's a there's some like fun racial

850
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: descriptions of enslave women in this that I will not

851
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: be reading because they're not actually fun. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah,

852
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: so it's not as interesting as the title would suggest.

853
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: So instead, Margaret, I'm going to say we should move

854
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: on to a new magazine, Courage from nineteen fifty seven,

855
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: and this one's got a real banger of a cover art.

856
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: Here there's a fucking sled dog ripping out a man's throat,

857
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: and then we've got yeah, inside a Desert Harem, Trail

858
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: of the Death Dog, Confessions of a Jigglow, The Six

859
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: Scanty Costumes of Diane and I Was Trapped in Terror Shrench.

860
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: What an incredible list of stories. What they deserved all

861
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: that that dollar award or whatever they got.

862
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they are all a bunch of assholes,

863
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: but they they were the titles.

864
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's craft going on in these titles, right, like

865
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: as a as a man who spent most of his

866
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: adult life coming up with titles for for content. Yeah,

867
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: I can game has to respect game gear, and Trail

868
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: of the Death Jog is a fine title.

869
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I want to, like, I want to just like

870
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: invite authors to just like rewrite because there's no copywriting titles.

871
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 2: Just take all of these titles and write different, better

872
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: stories out of them. The titles are great, Yeah, not

873
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: all of them. Don't rewrite the Captain, don't.

874
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: Maybe you know what I'm going to say, minimum age

875
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: twenty four. Yeah, we don't need to. Yeah, we don't

876
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: need to risk anything here. Yeah, let's uh, let's uh,

877
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's take it up a notch people. Yeah,

878
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: So I picked out this issue because I want that

879
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: Desert harem story. But what drew my interest once it

880
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: was open were the ads, which are again as perfect

881
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: to dive into the male id as you're likely to

882
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: see on page one week it and I want Sophie

883
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 1: to show this to you important medical facts for every

884
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: man who was past his fortieth birthday. Men too go

885
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: through change of life. Doctors call it male climacteric and

886
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 1: it's talking about like men, male menopause. It's first off,

887
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I was a little impressed that that

888
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: was a concept people were talking about in nineteen fifty seven.

889
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: But they were talking about it purely to sell vitamin

890
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: and supplements.

891
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: And it's about to keeping it up, right. Yeah, it's

892
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: about keeping your dick up. Yeah, like that, Like I would.

893
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: It would be great if people talked about how assigned

894
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: male people had hormonal changes and cycles. That would be

895
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: fucking wonderful. We could talk about that. Yeah, but no,

896
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: it's about keeping your dick up, which is fine. People

897
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: want their dickup, They can put their dick up.

898
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: That that's fine. I don't think these vitamins are going

899
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: to You're gonna end up.

900
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: Like head in his hand on the in the Yeah.

901
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's like a balding man who's got like

902
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: his head in his hands, presumably because his dick doesn't

903
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: work due to the male climate. Derek, Yeah, I had

904
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: not ever heard that term before either. It's in quotes,

905
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's important. Of course, when you get to

906
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: the actual ingredient list of the vitamin pills they're trying

907
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: to sell this guy, it's basically red bull, vitamin A,

908
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: vitamin D, vitamin E, vitamin B one, vitamin B twelve,

909
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: vitamin B two, vitamin D, nyasin, vitamin B six, calcium creatine, iodine,

910
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: and some wheat germ. Defat it.

911
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm impressed that there was actually even the

912
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: laws passed where they had to put the ingredients on

913
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: the advertisement.

914
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who knows if these were. If it

915
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: was not, it could have just been lead. It could

916
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: just be lead in caffeine. But that's what it says

917
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: is in here. It's basically, yeah, primitive red. It's like

918
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: the red bull you find in like a bog man.

919
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: So the very next ad on page two appears to

920
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: be for yet another correspondence course, and this one promises

921
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: to teach you how to be a private eye a

922
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: FBI investigator's it's It's also a very straight ad with

923
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: like a craggy man's face underneath the text. This man

924
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: is wanted by you. This man is wanted by you.

925
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: He has left a path of violence, lust, greed. He

926
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: is a two time loser. Every minute he is at large,

927
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: death walks the streets. You are a trained investigator. Bits

928
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: of evidence, each insignificant alone, fit together like a crazy

929
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: jigsaw puzzle. They paint the way that leads to the

930
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: man who is wanted by you. I mean, like we

931
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: sell ads like this, I hope. So Margaret for the.

932
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: Like you know, don't you want to pretend like you're

933
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: a private eye, will send you a thing every month

934
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: and you try and figure.

935
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: It out to the yes yes, yes, oh yeah like notes.

936
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 2: I'm not anti.

937
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: No, I think it's beautiful. I think I think if

938
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: this is a glorious commuting with our ancestors who were

939
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: also hacks and frauds who had to sell out space exactly.

940
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: Finally we get to the table of contents, which includes

941
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: incredible titles like we Hacked through Their Flesh by Sargeant

942
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: Harold Spain Cool absolutely a real name. One thing I

943
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: know there was a true Sargeant Harold Spain. That's a

944
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: real guy. That's absolutely a real ass dude.

945
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: Ye.

946
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: Then, of course Trail of the Death Dog when the

947
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: grave was open, and that terror trench article next to

948
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: it all is an ad for a money making shoe

949
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: store business where you sell shoes door to door to

950
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: your friends and family.

951
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: Wait, is that what this photo is?

952
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: No, this photo is from the next page, which is

953
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: a It's a two page spread. On one side it's

954
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: the says courage men and then has a pin up

955
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: of a well endowed woman. I don't understand why it

956
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: says courage men. I guess because she's so hot. You

957
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: have to steal yourself to not be a criminal. I

958
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I don't know what it's like.

959
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: It's like that.

960
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: It's probably that like what's your opener? Like bullshit, Yeah.

961
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: What's your opener? That kind of thing. And it's right

962
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: next to an add an ad for quack medicine psoriasis

963
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: treatments for unsightly scales, crusts and patches. That really, those

964
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: two together it's like, Oh, I get okay, so I

965
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: get who this is for.

966
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like our lineage very much. Right now.

967
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got syriasis. You're not willing

968
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: to go to a real doctor for it. Here's a

969
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: picture of a hot lady. Yeah yeah, it says a

970
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: lot right there, So we hacked their flesh. Is a

971
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: lurid story of the Korean War with a lot of

972
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: racials Thurst Margaret A lot Ressler. Yeah yeah. It is

973
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: purportedly written by a white American photographer for the Army

974
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: embedded with a Filipino unit, and because they are a

975
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: Filipino unit, they decide to just stab their way through

976
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: the Chinese army rather than using guns. After that is

977
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: Trail of the Death Dog, which features the poll quote

978
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: the husky was strong, smart, vicious, and hated men. His

979
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: muscle knew the taste of human blood and liked it.

980
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah, hell yeah.

981
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: It's about a It's about a man who's like running

982
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: transport roots with sled dogs, and he like picks this

983
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: murderous dog to lead a sledge even though it kills

984
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: all of his other dogs, like, and everyone around him

985
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: is like, that dog is going to murder all of

986
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: your other dogs, and then you why are you doing?

987
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: He's like, but he knows the route best. I don't know, man,

988
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: it seems like a bad call. Yeah. So at this

989
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: point we can call this a pretty standard example of

990
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 1: an adventure magazine. The most interesting piece in this issue

991
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: is a hinge between the sad middle aged guy, wish

992
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: fulfillment stuff, racism, and straight up pornography. It's a little

993
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: article titled inside a Desert Harem, and unlike everything else

994
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: in this series, had actually taught me some really interesting

995
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: facts about history. Okay, I was surprised by that, don't

996
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: get me wrong. Here's how the article opens, just as

997
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: William O. Douglas of the US Supreme Court once asked

998
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: a merchant why the Sudan exported so few crops. You're wrong, Afendi,

999
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: smiled the merchant. We do export a huge crop, not

1000
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: cotton or wheat perhaps, but something far more valuable. We

1001
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: export slaves. Pharaoh was a girl of twelve when she

1002
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: was stolen from her family. For two years, she was

1003
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: kept with the tribe which stole her, Then she was

1004
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: sold to a slave trader. For another six months, she

1005
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: traveled the desert as the trader added more slaves to

1006
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: his caravan. Finally, she was sold to an Arab harem

1007
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: at the slave gate in Mecca, the traffic and girls

1008
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: is both open and brisk. Now, I was ready for

1009
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: that all to be bullshit. And this article is not

1010
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: specifically a true story. But all of that stuff is

1011
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: stuff that happened, actually, and I was kind of unaware

1012
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: of a lot of the dimensions of this. But after

1013
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: World War One, the area that we know today as

1014
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia became an independent kingdom called the Kingdom of

1015
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: Hejas I think is the first name. And slave trading

1016
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: had been illegal in the Ottoman Empire during its later period,

1017
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: but in Hejas it was allowed to continue once again,

1018
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: and a brisk slave trade opened up between Sudan, Ethiopia

1019
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: and the Kingdom. Right, this is a modern slave trade.

1020
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: As such, victims were often convinced, or rather their parents

1021
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: were convinced, to sell their children. This was often framed

1022
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: as giving them a better life in Arabia during parts

1023
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: of the journey where slavery was illegal. Because some of

1024
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: this route often included going through countries where the slave

1025
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: trade was not allowed, traders and their victims often disguised

1026
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: themselves as pilgrim on the road to Mecca. It was

1027
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: also not uncommon for travelers who did the hajaj, who

1028
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: went to Mecca to sell their servants or their poor

1029
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: friends who they had gone on the hajaj with in

1030
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: order to afford a return journey home. That is the

1031
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: thing that happened too. By nineteen thirty, about ten percent

1032
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: of the people living in Mecca were estimated to be enslaved.

1033
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: Many were domestic servants or Hara members, but many of

1034
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: them were also used as laborers like the men generally

1035
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: were particularly used as like agricultural laborers and the like. Today,

1036
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: the UAE and Saudi Arabia engage in a system of

1037
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: guest worker visas that have somewhat similar dimensions. I don't

1038
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: think it's quite as abusive, but it's pretty fucking bad.

1039
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: A lot of people are aware of this, but back

1040
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: in the day it was just straight up slavery. And

1041
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: when I found this article, I was kind of immediately

1042
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: taken by the fact that the woman in the artwork

1043
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: is depicted as white, and it's a pretty like, not

1044
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: great piece of art. I wouldn't say, if you're trying

1045
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: to talk about a very serious story about a social issue,

1046
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: it's pretty offensive. In a number of ways. All of

1047
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: this caused regular international condemnation. In nineteen forty eight, the

1048
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: UN declared slavery a crime against humanity. In nineteen fifty one,

1049
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: the British informed the US State Department that there were

1050
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: at least fifty thousand slaves in Saudi Arabia and they

1051
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: were increasingly being used by the oil industry, the red

1052
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: sea trade. Obviously, because they're being used by the oil industry, like,

1053
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: that's part of why we don't do any fucking thing.

1054
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: For a while, the red sea trade continued through the

1055
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. By the nineteen sixties, there had been enough

1056
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: international outcry that it had become an embarrassment to the king,

1057
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: who issued a decree forbidding the sale of slaves, not

1058
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: the possession of slaves, early in nineteen sixty two. Slavery

1059
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: itself continued to be legal for several more months until

1060
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: it was officially abolished that novemberses. So I was unaware

1061
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: of that. That's interesting. So I got to give the

1062
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: story credit. Yeah, it informed me about a piece of

1063
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: history that I was not aware of. So that part's good.

1064
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: What's not good is the article itself outside of it,

1065
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: because all everything I learned was like that first paragraph

1066
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: I was like, the fuck were they selling slaves in

1067
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Speaker 1: Mecca ninety five? I was like, oh, yeah, this was

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Speaker 1: a thing, this is a problem, was a problem. Okay,

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Speaker 1: interesting the story, the actual history is of course interesting

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Speaker 1: and important, but it is just window dressing for the story,

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00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 1: which is soft core pornography that features a young Circassian

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Speaker 1: girl who is described to us as not quite fifteen.

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Speaker 1: When it was her turn, she was led forward while

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Speaker 1: the slave trader extolled her beauty in her skills, sexual

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Speaker 1: and otherwise. Unlike the girls who had gone before, Farah

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Speaker 1: did not remove her robe to get the bidding started.

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Speaker 1: She didn't have to. The men standing around the edge

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Speaker 1: of the raised platform of the slave block could see

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Speaker 1: her face, and the spiel by the slave trader was

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Speaker 1: enough to get things going. The bidding reached one hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars before it began to slacken. And then it describes

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Speaker 1: her taking off her clothes, which we're not going to

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Speaker 1: go through. Yeah, it's I don't know, it's pretty gross,

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00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: Margaret gross. Yeah, so I don't think I'm going to

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Speaker 1: read the rest of that to you.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because I don't usually use the word pornographic

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00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: in a negative sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but you're like, oh, yeah, no, that's yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's I'll call this article about a fifteen year old

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00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: girl that really yeah, yeah, we don't need that, that's

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00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: not necessary. But I did think it was interesting that

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00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: this horrible, deeply, deeply evil story also imparted a piece

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00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: of historic information I was unaware of. We should probably

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Speaker 1: talk more about the slave trade of like Circassian and

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Speaker 1: Georgian and our Menian and Ethiopian and Sudanese girls down

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Speaker 1: to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, that that maybe should

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Speaker 1: be a topic of more discussion than it is, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, And it's it's it's hard because it's like the

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Speaker 2: way in which white slavery has always been used as

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Speaker 2: a like a boogeyman, like to specifically, like, wait, why

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Speaker 2: do we suddenly care when it's about white women as

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Speaker 2: compared to like anyone, right, yeah, And then of course,

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00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: like sex trafficking in general is like used as like

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Speaker 2: an anti sex worker talking point currently, including like voluntary

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00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: sex work. Right, And it's like so hard because like

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00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 2: the criminalization of sex work makes it so hard for

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Speaker 2: us to talk about the actual bad things that are happening, right, absolutely, yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I I And then also, of course anything that's like

1109
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: Islamophobia is like a really major problem, and so it

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00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: makes people afraid to touch what we should be talking about.

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Speaker 2: And actually, that's something I actually really appreciate about your show,

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00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: is that you are willing to I mean, not like

1113
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: specifically look for people to condemn who are outside of

1114
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: certain circles, but not be afraid to say, like, hey,

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00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: it's like bad when slavery happens, right, that's like I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, like, look, I got I got absolutely no problem

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Speaker 1: with islng, but like, fuck the Kingdom of Saudi Irayah,

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Speaker 1: the Saudi royal family, I got no issues say in

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Speaker 1: that show. Yeah, And it's also worth because this is

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Speaker 1: a big a chunk of this and the reason why

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00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: this article exists is that part of this slave trade

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00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: was like white slave trade, right, So that is super

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Speaker 1: that is why I writ and exciting to like the

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01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: fifties mind, but like a lot of the girls that

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Speaker 1: are being trafficked and boys that are being trafficked for

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: that matter, are from like Ethiopia and the Soudan and

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01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: are much more often a much larger chunk of the

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Speaker 1: total number of people being enslaved by the Kingdom, but

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Speaker 1: they are being forced to work as laborers in the

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Speaker 1: oil industry, they're being forced to work as domestic servants

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Speaker 1: more often, and so there's simply not any kind of

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Speaker 1: real care about that by the guys writing this magazine. Right,

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Speaker 1: they want to tell a porn story, right, you know

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Speaker 1: really Yeah, anyway, Margaret, how you feeling two magazines into

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Speaker 1: our exploration of a masculine fiction.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like it's all as awful stuff, but I

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: do feel like I got I'm getting off lightly for

1138
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: behind the Bastard's guest spot, you know.

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Speaker 3: So uh it's really always very bad to say that

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01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 3: before we've actually finished that oh fuck.

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01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: And then it's like I know, I'm gonna regret having

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01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: referred to these as a precursor. Although it's like, you know,

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01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: I mean, as a science fiction writer, I got to

1145
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: accept like, yeah, kind of bad people as my precursors. Right,

1146
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: that's just like a thing that we shouldn't be afraid of,

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01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: but I can still respect. Like I love pulp and

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01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm so sad. It's like one of my favorite genres

1149
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: of movie is like the trashy road trip movie, where

1150
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 2: like they're going to or the kids want to throw

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Speaker 2: the biggest party in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, and I.

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Speaker 2: Just like I just want that without them being like

1154
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: here's the transphobic joke, or like here's when the man

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Speaker 2: is raped by a woman in its humor, or you know,

1156
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: like like, can't we just have nice pulp that isn't

1157
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: fucking rat it is?

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Speaker 1: It is? It is the eternal question, right can you

1159
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 1: have Animal House with all also having that director kill

1160
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: three people in the helicopter crash due to his irresponsibility

1161
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: and incompetence, Right, yeah, like is it like I don't know, yes,

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: like he can part because it I think we can.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be as fucked up

1164
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: in gross and pedophilic as some of these articles are.

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Speaker 1: I do think there has to be a degree of

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01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: grossness to poulp right, not every story, but like Polpe

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01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: needs to be grimy a little, you know, otherwise it's

1168
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: not really Again, grimey does not mean talking about marrying

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Speaker 1: off sixteen year olds, but like you got to have

1170
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: some like the the Grease Are with a Switchblade story,

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: I think is perfect, right, fair enough, Like that's that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's fine to me. You know, it's both like

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01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:37,439
Speaker 1: intellectually interesting. It shows you this like fascinating glimpse into

1174
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: like the kind of cultural fear that existed during this

1175
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: like very much lost moment in time, in at least

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Speaker 1: our pop culture memory. And it's also very funny. No totally,

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Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 2: I would still read most of these stories just from

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Speaker 2: a life yeah, yeah, yeah, God, the world is weird.

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Speaker 1: Got some good news for you there marks all of

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Speaker 1: all of these are available for free for everyone. There's

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Speaker 1: like dozens and dozens of them on the Internet Archive.

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01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: Just type men's adventure magazines into the Internet Archive and

1184
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: there's like a I don't know, a little I don't

1185
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: know what you call it, like a little file folder

1186
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: thing on there. You can view or download or read

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01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: them all in full glorious color. There's a shitload of

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01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: them on here sixty five, So yeah, you know, significant

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Speaker 1: amount of reading if you're in the mood for some

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Speaker 1: of these some of these stories. And we will continue

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Speaker 1: with some more of these in Part DEU. But first, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: you got any pluggles to plug.

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Speaker 2: Well, I did write a pulp adventure novella called Escape

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01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: from Insul Island and Merry Christmas. It is my attempt

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01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: to write trashy pulp that is still enjoyable and like,

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01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: and it still is like, and it tries to grapple

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Speaker 2: with the fact that it's like. I mean, the setup

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Speaker 2: is that there's some people and they go to an

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Speaker 2: island full of insults and then they have to escape.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty literal concept and then just tries to

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01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: like grapple with that, but it still involves running around

1202
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 2: with a shotgun and good old fun times. I think

1203
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 2: you might enjoy it. There is a there's actually not

1204
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: an audiobook version of it yet. There will be, but

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01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: there's a print version and an ebook version, and you

1206
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 2: can read it and you can read it in afternoon.

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Speaker 2: That's the great thing about I have a short attention span.

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: You have a short attention span. I write for short

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01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 2: attention spans. That's what I got.

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01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I also have a short attention span. Yeah, but

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01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: I did write a novel once. It's called After the Revolution.

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Speaker 2: It does actually work for a short attention span. Even

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01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: though you can't read it in one sitting, it's it's

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01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: still fast paced.

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Speaker 1: It's still yeah yeah, yeah, And maybe I'll write a

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01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 1: second one if I conquer my short attention span enough,

1217
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: although that gets harder every year, Margaret, I know every year,

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01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: especially with Balder's Gate three out, that has torpedoed my productivity.

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01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: We spent the first like fifteen minutes before we record

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01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: it with Sophie zoning out and me and Robert.

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01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: The second might be the best video game I've ever played.

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01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: Just a disaster for my getting my book.

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Speaker 3: This is so fascinating. The episode's over, Okay. Behind the

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Speaker 3: Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media. For more

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01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 3: from cool Zone Media, visit our website coolzonemedia dot com,

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