WEBVTT - Jeet Heer & Mallory McMorrow 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.600 today's best minds, and in a major upset, Democrats flipped 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:17.320 a Pennsylvania State Senate seat that Trump won by fifteen points. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:19.639 We have such a great show for you today. The 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.520 nation's own Jeet here stops by to talk about the 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.720 group chat heard around the world, or as we call it, 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.080 Signal Gazi group chat Gate. Then we'll talk to Michigan 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:36.720 State Senator Mallory mcmarrow about her new book, Hey, Won't Win, 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.680 Find your power and leave this place better than you've 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:41.199 found it. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.040 But first the news Somali. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.120 You'll get into all the specifics of group chat Gate 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.800 and Signal Gazi with Jeet when you talk to them. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.360 But one thing you guys didn't discuss is Tulci Gabbert 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.960 really losing this moment since she seems to have amnesia. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:03.200 Who could have seen it? Practically everyone? Tulsi Gabbard. By 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.240 the way, I want to remind people that Trump put 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:11.000 Tulsi Gabbard in his cabinet because he loves a convert 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.440 and because he felt that she was, you know, a 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.520 Democrat for Trump is like his favorite thing. But she 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:22.200 has always been not a great candidate, very weird. She 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.600 was a Democrat from Hawaii in a cult, had a 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.760 lot of pro assade of views. That's a very small 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.320 wing of the Democratic Party that is both Democrat and 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.679 pro asade. That's like no one. And she's just not 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:38.600 a particularly talented politician. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.240 Now that's it, we should say, though some of the 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.479 strategy was is that she does have a weird contingency 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.120 of Joe Rogan fans who think that she's like this 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.400 heterodox thinker, which will she's not. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:54.440 She's just dumb. But heterodox turns out to me just dumb. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.960 She was put in this administration. They had these hearings 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.840 where happened to be poorly timed for them, and so 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:08.440 you had these Democratic members able to ask Telsie about 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:13.960 Signal Gazzi. And so we have Jim Hines Representative, Jim Hines, 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.959 who's actually done really well and has been fighting trump 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.920 Ism and not be clowning himself. And he says, so 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.080 it's your testimony that two weeks ago you were on 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.440 a signal chat that had all this information about F 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.799 eighteen's and MQ nine reapers and targets on strike, and 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.600 you in that two week period simply forgot that you 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.760 were there. He asked. She said, my testimony is I 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.680 don't recall the exact details, and then we got that 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:47.560 sort of she then we saw Heinz from Connecticut comes 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.800 back with your testimony was that you were not aware 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.480 of anything related to weapons package, his targets and timing, 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.920 and he basically just caught her in the line. He 0:02:56.000 --> 0:03:00.920 kept pushing and then on Tuesday, Mark Kelly followed up 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.560 and he said, did the chat? He asked whether the 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:08.480 chat had mentioned timing units, targets or weapons, and she said, 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:13.760 I don't remember right there being a discussion around targets 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:18.360 in general. By the way, Wednesday saw all of these 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.880 chats released, and in fact they had all of these things. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.360 So she clearly either got hit in the head or 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.840 is just pretending that she doesn't remember anything. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.840 Here we go, We should say that Congressman Nadler is 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.840 calling for Gabbert and Rockcliffe to be prosecuted for perjury 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:36.360 following this. 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:44.480 Yes, good for Congressman Nadler for calling this out. Democrats 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.640 need to be brave and be strong. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:53.720 So boy, though in unconstitutional dues Mike Johnson is making 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.160 a I don't think outrageous is the right word. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.080 This is absolutely crazy. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:02.040 Well, it's just anti democratic. So Mike Johnson has floated 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:06.400 this idea of eliminating the federal court right because they 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.560 are not doing what Trump wants. This is so deeply 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:15.880 problematic on so many levels. This is authoritarianism in action. 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:20.960 Right Republican House speaker suggests potentially defunding, restructuring, or eliminating 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.080 US federal courts as a means of pushing back against 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:29.440 judicial decisions that Donald Trump doesn't like. This is so bad. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:34.640 This is the kind of stuff that is absolutely a 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.840 no go. Like this is the stuff. This is victor 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:42.400 Orbon in Hungary. This is how you end American democracy. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:48.240 The road to authoritarianism is paved with shit like this. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:53.760 This is just absolutely a no go. Democrats must push 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.440 back on this if they have any business being in office, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.040 they must fucking push back again hard, because this is 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:06.640 anti democratic. It's insane, it's a no go. This is 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.920 the road to authoritarianism right here. This is actual authoritarianism, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.599 and it's really scary. It's really bad, and it needs 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.320 to be stopped at this minute. Because this is the 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.560 way we end American democracy right. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.880 Here, Somali DOJ's star and plointe one Big Balls. He 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.679 reportedly ran a company that was used by a cyber 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:31.000 criminal ring who also abused an FBI agent. And there's 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.000 all sorts of crazy stuff in here. What do you 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:33.520 see gear? 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.680 So this is a guy who has all your data, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.279 right like Doge is in every single part of the 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.599 federal government. They've put they're putting. You know, they know 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.400 our socials, they know where we live, they know where 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.640 we bank. I mean, this crew is in everything. And 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.839 one of the guys, DOEG staffer Big Balls, provided technical 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.559 support to a cyber crime ring. Okay, so a guy 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:04.760 who worked with a cybercrime ring is in the Social 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:11.400 Security computers, he's in the federal NIH Grant computers, he's 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.360 in the this, he's in the that. This guy Big Balls. 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.600 These people do not have clearance for a reason, right 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.160 because they do stuff like this. Our entire federal government 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.320 is set up to not have people like this have 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:29.039 access to sensitive data. Here we have big Balls with 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:34.479 access to sensitive data after having worked in a cybercrime ring. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.279 Do you think Elon Musk's Doge is doing good work? 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.320 I do not. I do not want big Balls to 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:45.599 be able to see my social security information. I do 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:50.239 not want him to know what my identifications are where 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.880 I live. I do not feel good about big Balls. 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:56.719 You're lack. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:06:59.920 There's a quote for the age. 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:07.839 Yes, I do not. Get here is a contributor to 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.640 the nation and the host of the time of monsters. 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.600 Welcome back to past politics. Get here. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.360 Always good to be on the program. 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.600 Nothing going on, yeah. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.200 Full losey sull losing yeah, yeah yeah. Do you ever 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:23.160 seen any good movies? 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:28.200 Yeah? Nothing. So when you add the editor in chief 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.400 of The Atlantic to your top secret signal chat and 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.800 when you're talking about going to war, I mean, the 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.440 level of incompetence here, I think is spectacular. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.880 Yeah, I think that. I mean, there's obviously incompetence, but 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.560 I think that one thing that people aren't quite doing 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.560 is like the incompetence came for about for a reason, 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.320 which is like Trump himself does not like to keep records, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.280 and he's got into a lot of trouble in the 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:00.880 past because as you're a president, the document your decisions 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.080 and he's just like tears up papers, you know. But 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.160 that's a typical you know, someone who's like, if not 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:10.440 a mobster themselves, let's say mobbish, you know, like a 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.280 mob friendly like you never like put everything anything in 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.280 writing or work can be found. And it happens that 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.960 this particular group chat was set to have like the 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.720 messages deleted, which is again totally in violation. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.080 Of like presidential records. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.960 Yeah, presidential records orders. And I think that so it's 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.480 not just I mean, obviously the screw up is putting 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.960 Goldberg into the loop, but the actual practice, the actual 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.680 practice was to try to evade scrutiny, to you know, 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.920 evade like anything that people could find out, your information, 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.800 that historians could find out, that Congress could find out. 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:45.720 That's the other aspect now that now that we have 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.640 the statements out there, I mean, this is old fashioned 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.840 and Trump is not the only one guilty of it, right, 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.360 But like, as I read the Constitution, it's pretty clear 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.839 that the only Congress can authorize a war. Like it's 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.079 like I think that now that's obviously the last time 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.520 that happened was in World War Two. But having said that, 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.800 even with all the powers that the president has, the 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.760 normal procedure is that if you're going at bombing in 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:14.320 their country. You you know, loop in the uh not 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.800 THEAR the Atlantic, but the Senate for a relationsis committee, right, 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.280 so this is the Congress you know, has some understanding 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.000 that was not done. And also if you're going to 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:29.240 be bombing in like you know, this highly sensitive area 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.000 and allegedly doing it on behalf of Europe, one would 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.920 think that you would be contacting the allies in Europe 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.160 and then never the least you know, to let them know. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.640 And again that was not done. So I think that 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.200 so I will all of which is to say, like, 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.800 you know, like I understand the opp SEC thing, and 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:47.280 like there's a lot of people that you know, like 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.400 curly violations and rules and there's an easy thing to 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.640 trip them on. But actually, like if you think about 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:56.480 the contents of what's actually in those messages, like there's 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.360 which are not getting the attention that they deserve. There's 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:00.880 actually a lot of scandal there. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:04.199 A lot, and there's also trashing Europe. I don't want 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.160 to those freeloaders anyway. And then I would also add 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.520 that a week before they had gotten an email saying 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.880 you got to watch out for signal it's not secure 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.880 and the federal government has all sorts of safe ways 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.240 to communicate with other like you don't have to put 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.360 this in signal. There are special sort of army messaging 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.320 apps that are more secure. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said that those apps because their 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.080 government apps would actually have record keeping procedures and it's 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.200 literally done so that they could evade like having a 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:39.840 record of us. I think that's interesting. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.760 I also think it's eighteen. This is a small group chat. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:47.600 It has eighteen people in it, including two that are 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.720 just mal which I assume is mar A Lago. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.800 Yeah, that's right, that's right. I think I think there's 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.120 all sorts of weird misteries about that. There's like two 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.880 separate ones for Rubio anyways. Yeah, there's a lot of 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.719 people in that conversation, more than one would think is necessary. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.960 It's certainly done in a roundabout way. And yeah, I 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.319 mean the thing that you mentioned about Europe is also 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.160 I think the kind of big news which is this 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.480 America first thing is not just for sure, this is 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.199 something that like they talk about privately and it is 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.320 and it was Vance that brought it up, like, well, 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.520 we're trying to get the Europeans to pay for more stuff, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.680 and then why are we doing this bombing on their behalf, 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.280 which I think is you know, like a fair question. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.280 I think, you know, if we're the other question one 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.040 is asking that no one, you know, is generally not 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.960 being asked, is the hoolies in Yemen where like they've 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.640 been blocking the naturally we're blocking the SEUs Canal at 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.200 the time, but they were threatening to block it if 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.320 Israel resumed the bombing in Gaza, which they have done, 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.160 which to my mind indicates that they the creverent administration 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.880 knew ahead of time that the ceasefire was over and 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.199 that issual is going to violate it, right, which I 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.920 think is interesting in and of itself. But the second 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:56.880 thing is if you just want to like keep this 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.480 who has kind of open. The easiest way to do 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.600 that is to tell Israel, you know, don't bomb Gotha 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.280 like that you might e two months are doing this? 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:06.640 But are you a leftist? 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.600 Yeah? But I mean, I get this is a conversation 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:11.880 that's not being had right, Like I don't I don't 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.240 like your aphobia or whatever aspect of what he's saying. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.080 But he was actually raising an interesting question like why 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.080 do you guys doing this like it? Actually this is 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.959 not materially benefit the US. You just gets so little 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.520 of it straight, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like are you 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.400 getting stuff coming on this u US get out? 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.880 No dvance? Is that worst person? You know meme? 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:32.240 Right? 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.120 Yeah, when it comes up with stuff and you say, well, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.440 actually it's maybe not wrong, but he's obviously the way 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.280 he's getting there is wrong. Right, I hate to help 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.720 those free loading Europeans. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.760 Well no, no, but because he's in that world, and 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.360 that's the way you can sell his caution. But I 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:53.079 think his caution should be well taken, like if you actually, 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.920 like before you bomb into the country, I think you know, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.000 like even if you're not a leftist, even if you're 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.160 like a conservative yourself, does this benefit the United States? 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:01.400 Right? 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.640 And I think that there's a pretty good argument that 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.480 it does not benefit the United States. And we know, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.600 like a few people are raising this, but maybe not enough. 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.680 And I'm the europe the hatred of Europe point, which 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.480 is now we can tell since here that's we're thinking about, 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.480 just because you know, like Trump is now like I 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.319 know if you saw it, but it was just talking 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.520 about you know, how we need greenland, you know we 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.080 have to have right, well, we have to have it, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.280 and we have to have it. I thought this is 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.920 very interesting, he says, for defensive reasons and maybe even 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:36.040 offensive reasons. So like, yeah, I just look at a 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.560 math right, what are you having a Greenland that could 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.720 allow you to you know, lunch at a time who 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.920 dot com? And you know I have to say, yeah, 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.200 I'm a Canadian. I have sort of say like, okay, 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.240 you know that's one country. Greenland is near is Canada, 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.360 maybe Iceland or maybe Europe. Greenland is like nowhere near 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:54.800 Russia or China. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:55.040 Right. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.360 I think something though that I want to stop and 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.400 go back on for a second is Jeff Goldberg in 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:05.600 this group chat. He is mister military, my man loves 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.719 a war, doesn't want to mess with any national security, 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.200 very into military, so he just publishes a tiny bit 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:18.559 of the chat right. He's probably more cautious than any 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:25.560 other magazine writer, newspaper reporter. He'sn't made be never Trump 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:30.000 in a certain way, but he's absolutely military industrial complex. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:31.920 That's why he was in the group chowb right. 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:36.320 Exactly, and and Trump World says, no, he's lying. There 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.320 is no war planning, none of it is, none of 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.960 it is confidential, None of it is top secret. So 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:49.080 he then releases a bunch more of it, which shows 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.440 that they're all liars. 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.560 Yes, yes, absolutely, I know. I mean I mean Hexeth 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.160 was like saying, like, after the White House has said yeah, yeah, 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.600 Goldberg was on the group, Chad, you know, like it 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.120 was a mistake. Hexpt was calling it the hoax right 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.600 after that, right, like I don't understand, Like I do understand, 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.160 but like any other administration, everyone would be calling for 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.720 his head, including Republicans. I mean having said that, I mean, 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.160 you know, you and I are neither of us fans 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.840 of the idea that you know, like they're Republicans who 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:18.640 can be flipped. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.960 There are no Liz Cheney Democrats. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.160 Yeah yeah, but I think that on this particularly few 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.840 because of the national security aspect. I mean, you are 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.520 certainly seeing some interesting things from. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.840 Who are you seeing pushback from. 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.000 This guy Bacon the Republican Congress ran and he was 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.040 like you know, pre aswering pretty harsh words against heigstaff 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.600 on the national security stuff. And frankly, I was very 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.800 gratified to see on the insults to Europe. So some 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.400 of these people in Congress in the Senate are you know, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.160 like obviously they're in hawk to Trump, but they're also 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.400 very close to the military. I mean the military who 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.360 take this stuff very seriously because you know, like their 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.960 own careers depend on it. Like if they ever did 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.480 anything like this, you know, they know they'd be they're 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.640 not just real, they'd be court martialed, right, They'd be 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.840 like in the dock, they'd be in jail. I'm kind 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.640 of thinking, you know, this thing has legs. For that reason, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.960 the point you made have a Goldberg is totally on point. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.760 I mean, there's a way in which, like, you know, 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.640 it's not an accident that he was a guy on 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.280 the phone list that accidentally got put on. I mean, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.600 you know you can tell even though it's an anti 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.080 Trump publication, they have a lot of ties with the 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:27.120 national security state that doesn't like Trump or whatever. And 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.440 so yeah, yeah, and he did what you would expect 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.360 him to do. It rise a little bit of the 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:33.760 you know, the New York Times before the Beya pigs. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.320 They knew the BA pigs was happening. They had reports, 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.080 but they said, well, you know, this is the national 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:38.800 security terrist. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.280 My man is in the signal chat for a reason. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.280 I think we can all agree all the national security 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.280 people who wanted to go against Trump when to chaff 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.520 So I also think that this like a never Trump 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.720 Republican is meaningful right because he does understand the full 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:02.480 implication of this, whereas someone like me who wants war 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.199 to end, who actually is anti war and believes that 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.720 it's bad and that we should not be going to 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:13.480 war period, paragraph has a sort of different take on 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:13.960 all of this. 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.840 Yeah, yeah, I mean I interesting. I mean the politics 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.760 of this are such that it could cause a large 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.040 trouble for the Republicans. I think that there might be 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.920 people in the Republican Party who might not turn against 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.760 Trump on like anything else, like ninety nine other things, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:32.679 but this one will actually like cause them to shift. 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.840 And what they might end up doing, and what you 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.000 kind of see the conservative the right wing people doing 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.720 is like finding a scapegoat. And it looks like they're 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.239 going to focus in on walt rather than just to 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.320 save he Seth by going after Waltz, right, I think 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.119 that they might have a private face a case like 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.800 I think Waltz is probably the guy who like screwed 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.000 up here. But having said that, I'd be like heg 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.280 sas you know, he's the guy who was sharing the 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:59.040 military secrets and he's like, I lied. I think for 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.439 the Democrats or you know, the interesting thing is like 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.000 not to let them have like just one escapecook like 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.840 to actually like say honestly, like you know, like everyone 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.480 you know, and it's the entire Trump like national security tea, 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.119 everyone on that child signal, Yeah, has to resign. 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.520 I mean what's so shocking is that nobody says, you know, 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:24.600 this is crazy and unsecure, we should do this somewhere else. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:29.560 You know, this information could be read by Vladimir Putin 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:30.960 or Chi or. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.600 I mean, like, yeah, I actually think like the Republican 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.359 congressman I mentioned Vacan basically said that she said he's 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.320 presearching that the Russians of Chinese were reading this because 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.080 they would be wondering single which is an encryption thing. 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.280 But it's not like fool proof by any means. But 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.719 also the fact that no one raised that question, to 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.960 my mind think means that like they're using signal and 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:52.800 other things all the time. 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.440 Yeah, And the hearings, and they had hearings between these 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.160 two things, and in the hearings they just all lied. 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.480 So Mike Wald said he had never met Jeffrey Goldberg. 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.000 There's a picture of the two of them together. We 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.080 heard Tolcy Gabbert just saying that she wasn't on the thing, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:10.199 when of course she was. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.080 I mean, just yeah, I mean the question I would 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.360 have and if you had, I mean, this is the thing. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.360 I'll tell you got a Democratic Senate and Congress. You're 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.240 not going to House. You're not going to get this. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.440 But you really should have an investigation because if they're 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.919 doing this for this war, they're doing it for elsewhere. 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.040 I don't want to read a situation where you know, 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:32.200 they launch a nuclear war through WhatsApp, Right, you want. 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.760 That's what's coming, is nuclear war through what'sapp. But I 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.240 also think it's important to remember they are squandering what 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.000 little credibility they have, and in fact, they maybe want 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.520 Mike Walce to be the fall guy because he's lesser. 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.959 But clearly this is a top down problem, Right you 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:50.400 have your DoD. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.399 Yeah, no, no, no, I have to say that's why 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:54.320 at the beginning, if you want to understand, like, just 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.920 think about Trump, who Trump is, how we handles records, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.679 how he trice to never use official channels. It's Trump. 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:03.920 He sets a tone for for everything, you know, like, 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.080 you know, let's just say, like you know, the fish 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.800 rots for the head down, right, and it is exactly 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.080 like sort of you know, it's the way that mafia communicates, right, 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.040 it's like use peithes. You the only guys who are 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.360 still using people, the wafiosos, and probably that maybe that's 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.880 the next thing, maybe that they'll start like using peoples 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:22.560 to communicate. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.600 We know they are trying an authoritarian takeover of the courts. 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.040 We see Mike Johnson talking about wanting more power over 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.680 the federal judiciary, willing to give away all of Congress's 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.280 power to Trump except perhaps to do something to the 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.080 judges to make their guy happy. I mean the fact 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.720 that Mike Johnson is like basically at this point the 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:47.760 valet at mar Lago, right, He's just about that he 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:52.480 has that level of power and control. I just wonder, 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.480 as we're looking at this, when things like this start 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.760 to happen, at least in Trump one point zero, that 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.000 was when they started to really undermine book trust. Now, 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.200 since we're the United States and amnesia, no one remembers that, 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.240 but I remember there being a moment where it was like, oh, 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:12.119 everyone realizes these people are idiots. Is this that moment? 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:13.720 Yeah, I don't know. 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.760 I mean, I'd be curious to how much this resonates 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.000 with the larger public. I kind of worry just on 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.480 the political angle that this is, like, you know, it 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.359 is an insider baseball thing that you have to be 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:28.119 really invested in the national security state and to semby, 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:32.320 I mean, has significance that they're you know, I honestly 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:34.439 think Jeff Signed of the Washington Posts had like a 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.720 really terrific report about how, you know, social Security system 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.760 is falling apart. You know, like if I were doing 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.240 the politics of this, I would like be talking about 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:45.080 that because I have to you know, for every like 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:49.040 one person that is really concerned about OPSAC, there's like 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.760 going to be like fifty to eighty that they're like, 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.000 you know, would freak out if they're bad do to 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.960 get a Social Security check right, you know, like the 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.840 social Security system. I have to say, like there's a 0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:01.640 lot a lot of the things the US coverent doesn't do right, 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.600 but yes, actual social Security system, this is the crazy 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.440 things like one of the great achievements of American civilization, 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:11.919 Like you also set up that many checks that regularly 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.760 with that level of security and then the fact that 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.639 you know, like Musk has basically found nothing like against it, 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:22.080 but it's still dismantling like this like magnificent system. That's 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.200 a big thing, and that's you're already having people having 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.800 trouble like you know, like being able to call into 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.600 their Social Security office. I would emphasize that more than 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:31.520 the op SEC stuff. 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:34.240 To be honest, I think it's important that we talk 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:39.720 for a second about my man, everyone's favorite, very very 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.240 rich guy. You will know him. I will just read 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:48.119 this out. He is the Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnik. He 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:52.600 has this incredible quote. Let's say Social Security didn't send 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.160 out there checks this month. My mother in law, who's 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:59.560 ninety four, she wouldn't call and complain. She just wouldn't. 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.480 She'd something got messed up and she'll get it next month. 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.919 A fraud straw always makes the loudest noise, screaming and 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:10.520 yelling and complaining. When your son in law is a billionaire, Yeah, 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:14.719 of course, really sweat whether or not you get your 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.200 Social Security check because you know you can call your 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:19.800 billionaire son in law. 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.919 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I yeah like that, 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:25.520 you know, with the special elections and going to the returns, 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:27.840 like you just have to like run that ad say, like, 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.120 you know, this is a guy that Trump has put 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.199 it tied to the economy. This is what they think. 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.520 And I think you have like you know, tens of 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.159 thousands of people are going to hear Bernie and EOC 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:42.240 to hear about what are the proper channels for government 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:45.600 communication rights. These are people that are freaking out of 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.639 you know, the coming attacks on the ongoing attacks on 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:51.439 Medicare and social Security. That's just where the juice is. 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:53.640 I think, you know, like I think the inside washing, 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:55.240 you you can do more than one thing at a time. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.400 Inside Washington, I think they have a lot of juice 0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.720 on this because I think Republicans are really rattle. And 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.119 you notice one thing is interesting is they haven't been 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:05.560 able to come up with a consistent story. Like usually 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.760 if there is like, uh, you know, Republicans are being attacked, 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:12.040 they come up with some sort of line and Fox 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.080 goes with it, Everyone goes with it. They don't have 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.560 a consistent story. They're kind of like fighting each other, 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.119 contradicting each other. Like obviously, like the inside politics is 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:23.280 great for the Democrats, you should use that, but like 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:25.840 you know, stepping back, let's not forget what the real 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.439 game here is. And the real game is that to 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:30.520 point out that this is a party of oligarchs who 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.040 are going to like steal the patriboni of the American 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.639 people to make themselves to make like people who are 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:37.360 billionaires into trillionaires. 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.760 Correct, get here, Thank you for joining us. 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:42.000 Okay, great to be on. 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:50.440 Mallory McMorrow is a Michigan State Senator and the author 0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:54.760 of hate Won't When find your power and leave the 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:59.719 place better than you found it. Welcome back, too fast politics, 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:02.040 Mal I'm tomorrow so thrilled. 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:03.160 Thanks for having me back. 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:05.919 So you have a book. Let's talk about this book. 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.160 But why did you write this book? Tell me everything? 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:09.960 So. 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.800 I had a very strange year in twenty twenty two 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:18.080 after a colleague accused me of being a groomer and 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:19.720 sexualizing kindergarteners. 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:22.800 Right, twenty twenty two was the year when they called 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:23.720 everyone a groomer. 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.399 That was That was the start of it, and a 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:31.040 speech I gave went crazy viral, and that afforded me 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:34.520 the opportunity to travel the country. I was raising money 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:38.040 to help flip our states Senate. Here in Michigan, but 0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:40.320 I was in more than a dozen states, and no 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.399 matter what group I was speaking to, thousands of people 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:47.640 said a version of the same thing, which was, I'm 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:51.040 so overwhelmed. I know I have to do something. I 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.760 have no idea where to start. That's what this book is. 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:58.800 It is half memoir that is about my very unlikely 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:02.720 and unplanned journey into politics and everything I've learned along 0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:06.040 the way. And then the second part is a very 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:10.639 practical step by step guide for anyone and everyone, based 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:13.000 on what I've learned on how to get involved and 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:15.399 make a real difference, because we're going to need every 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.440 damn person in this country to participate to get out 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:19.120 of this mess. 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:24.000 Yeah. I mean you are in Michigan. You are on 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.199 the ground where this is all happening. What are the 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.600 vibes in Michigan. Because I know what the vibes in 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:32.159 New York are, and they're not the same as the vibes, 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:36.520 Like the vibes in DC are just cataclysmic. The vibes 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:39.320 in New York are sort of like, it's all fine 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.720 as long as we don't deal with politics. But what 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:43.600 are the vibes in Michigan. 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:47.399 I feel like, especially in the last two weeks, we 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:50.800 have really, I think hit a turning point where the 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:54.080 first month or so of the second Trump presidency, I 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.040 still don't think everybody was in a state of shock 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:02.119 and not entirely sure what to do or how to engage. 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:06.520 And we are now seeing at every town hall and 0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:11.520 coffee hour an event that we do it is overflow capacity, crowds. 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.640 Hundreds of people are showing up to all of these things, 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:18.280 and they are very deeply engaged. They know what's going on, 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:21.959 they know all of the chaos that this administration is unleashing, 0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.879 and they're not just demanding that Democrats do something about it, 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.520 they're asking what they can do too. So I think 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:31.000 this is a very unique moment where people are ready, 0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.040 they know they have to stand up and they have 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:36.520 to do something, and they're looking for that guidance on 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:38.040 what to do to fight all of this. 0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:41.480 So that I think is actually sort of hopeful, as 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.600 much as anything can be helpful, this idea that there's 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.720 a critical mass in this country who is not okay 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:51.960 with losing their rights. I think there's so much anxiety 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:56.800 in pundent world that this is going unnoticed. But your 0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:00.960 sense is that this is actually going quite noticed, very much. 0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:01.040 So. 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.800 We had just at one of my town halls, and 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.840 we've done numerous but just one a couple of weeks ago, 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:11.280 we had three federal workers who had either been fired 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.800 or fully expected to be fired kind of any moment. 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:17.000 One who worked for NAH, one who she was so 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.439 scared to even tell us what department she worked for, 0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:22.960 and one who worked for the VA. We had one 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:26.480 woman who shared, She's like, look, I bring home sixty 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:30.240 percent of our family's income and my kid's healthcare is 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.919 on my job, and if we lose this, you know, 0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.320 I've always been really transparent about the fact that I 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:40.360 had ADHD, And she said, my son does too. You know, 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:44.240 the medication's expensive, This psychiatrist appointments are expensive. We will 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:48.560 not survive if they just slash and burn and cut 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:50.920 our jobs with no rhyme or reason. 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.440 Right. Of course, some of this is in the courts 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.760 coming back. Some of it is not. Do you have 0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.840 a sense that things are being fixed by the court 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.440 or do you think that that's not really happening. 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.880 No, And I think people recognize that too. People are 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.440 keenly aware of the fact that the Trump administration is 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:14.200 either directly defying court orders or that the courts are 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.640 so overwhelmed at this point. I mean, the strategy from 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.480 the administration seems to be an all out assault on 0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:24.840 every aspect of our government and our systems, from elections 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:28.400 to the courts, to the pace of executive orders and 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.720 the implementation of Project twenty twenty five. Mind you that 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.600 they're not able to keep up, but I think what 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:39.920 we're seeing is that hasn't led to people becoming apoplectic. 0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:43.040 It's led to them recognizing, you know, nobody's coming to 0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:45.800 save us. It's on us, and we have to show up. 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.120 We have to show up in every one of these 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:50.240 Republican districts because the only way that we fight back 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.800 is by letting the people in office know that they 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:54.080 have to do their jobs. 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.320 You're in the Michigan State Center right now, and you 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:02.640 are with these Michigan Republicans. It is some of them 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.720 are are among the most craven. What are they saying publicly? 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:07.960 What are they saying privately? 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.320 So what's crazy right now is it's almost like public 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.719 opinion doesn't matter. Matt All is the new Republican Speaker 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.680 of the House, and he's modeling himself, as I called him, 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:21.120 timu Trump this week where he's holding long, meandering press 0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:24.520 conferences an hour long, where it's he's just you know, 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:28.560 he's doing everything Trump does, of just rambling incoherently and 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.640 blaming everything on the Democrats. But I'll just add this, So, 0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.800 at a moment when Trump has just announced that he 0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.600 is going to eliminate the Department of Education, the state 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:43.480 House Republicans introduced a budget that slashes five billion dollars 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.800 from our state education budget, which is twenty five percent 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.000 of the budget. And now they're trying to backtrack and say, oh, 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.280 this is a stop gap spending measure, which is not 0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:53.840 something that we do here in Michigan. 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:54.560 By the way, our. 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.920 Budget is due October first or nowhere near the end, 0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.680 and they don't care. I think that people are going 0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:04.080 to have to push back. But it has been devastating 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.960 to see that the lessons are just do what Trump does. 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:09.200 This is Trump's Republican party all the way down to 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:09.840 the state level. 0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.360 This is what we keep seeing, right, a Republican party 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.400 that does not care about public opinion. Right, But what 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:17.480 do they think is going to happen? Do they think 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:21.040 there won't be elections anymore. I mean, what's the thinking 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:22.720 here behind those craziness. 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.520 So I think my sense is that there may have 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.600 been some fear that Trump and trump Ism wasn't going 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.080 to work, but that they've been emboldened by the fact 0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.480 that we're now in a second Trump presidency. So my 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.160 sense is that the feeling on the Republican side of 0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.600 the aisle is if we go full speed ahead on 0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:44.360 the entire Trump agenda on. There have been talks of 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.280 creating a state level Doge. 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:47.720 There was a. 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:52.040 Republican representative who wants to suggest that the Supreme Court 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:56.560 overturn Obergefel to ban same sex marriage, and to ban pornography, 0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:58.560 you know, all of these things that are not about 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:02.040 people's cost of living. And I think their hope is 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:05.880 that if we just do it aggressively enough, that people 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.320 will love us the same way that they love Donald Trump. 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.160 But I think the mistake is that only one person 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.320 is Donald Trump, and it's Donald Trump. And we've seen, 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:15.560 you know, look at where Carrie Lake is right now. 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:19.680 She just got fired effectively. Nobody's been able to replicate that. 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:23.560 So I think that that's on Democrats. We can't just 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.360 get caught up in talking about how bad Donald Trump 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.720 is and how bad the Republicans are. We have to 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.600 be aggressive and show people an alternative vision so that 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.080 when we do have elections, because we will have elections again, 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:40.560 people see themselves in a different way out of this mess. 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:44.160 And it's with us for sure. This is a big question, right, 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.400 And this is why Schumer got in so much trouble, right, 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:52.280 is that these Republicans are focused on this idea that 0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.880 there's continuity, that his polls are much better than they 0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:58.720 were the first time, and so people like it better. 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.320 And I'm not sure that it's true. 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:04.960 No, that's not true at all. I think it's just 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:08.760 trying to ride the momentum and the energy and the pace. 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.040 And it's kind of a Jesus take the wheel attitude. 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.440 And while while you're taking that attitude, you're burning everything 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.120 down in your path. I don't even know that it's 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.120 hoping that people won't notice. It's hoping that you've done 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.920 it too fast for people to react, right, right, right, right. 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.600 But you would think there'd be some like we need 0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:31.680 to keep the house kind of trying, right, You. 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:35.600 Would think, I mean, we just haven't seen any Republican 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:38.560 you know, say for maybe Lisa Markowski, who I can 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:40.360 think of in the last kind of week or so, 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:42.280 who's standing up. But at the end of the day, 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.840 the votes are still the votes. So you can be 0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:47.840 brave in a town hall and you can say the 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.000 right things, but until we see a version of the 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:54.640 Republican Party that's willing to vote to get back to 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:57.400 you know, not even vote with Democrats necessarily, but vote 0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.720 for normalcy, it's going to keep happening. 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:03.960 Right exactly this twenty twenty four cycle, there were a 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:08.480 lot of Democrats who bucked the trend. Right. There was 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:12.719 Tammy Baldwin and Reuben Diego, and you know there were 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.960 states that went to Trump. But also you know they 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:18.279 they voted for Trump and left the bottom of the 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.640 ticket blank, or they voted for Trump and Diego. Make 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:27.000 sense of that to me as someone who does politics 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.480 in Michigan, because I feel like Michigan's a great example 0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:31.480 of a state where you have everything. You have the 0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:34.320 Michigan Militia, you have ann Arbor. 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.600 Oh yeah, we are I tell everybody all the time. 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.080 Michigan is the microcosm of the entire country, and we 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:41.600 are the the coal mine. Michigan is one of those states. 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.160 You know, at the top people voted for Trump, and 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.759 we now have Senator Alissa Slatkin. The Democrats lost the 0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:51.439 state House, but it was only by five thousand, four 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:55.279 hundred votes across four districts. It's a battleground state. It's 0:34:55.320 --> 0:35:00.000 a purple state, and we did see people, particularly young men, 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.759 show up and vote for Donald Trump and nothing else. 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.960 One of my colleagues was on Michigan State's campus on 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.120 election day and he said that anecdotally, you know, he 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:12.640 would watch young guys coming in maga hats. They were there, clearly, 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:16.200 they bubbled in one thing and walked out. But Michiganders 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.719 want to see themselves. This is a state where you 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.719 do not have to register by party. We have open primaries. 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:26.120 This is a state where people are fiercely independent. And 0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:29.880 if you look at people like Alyssa Slockin and Krista 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.640 McDonald Rivett who won in a tough district in Congress 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:36.719 and overperformed, it was about the economy and cost of 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.479 living and frankly, just talking like a normal person and 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:45.360 not taking any bullshit. And that is something that Michiganders 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.440 can connect with. They see themselves in and are willing 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:51.239 to vote for. And I hope the rest of the 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:52.320 country takes notice. 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:56.120 So in your book, you talk about the sort of 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.239 how to make things better and that hate won't win. 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.120 Explain to us how you got here and why you 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:06.439 think this is the tact that leaders should take. 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.759 So you know, I became known across the country for 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.040 this speech that I gave that was a result of 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:19.000 anti DEI, anti LGBTQ attacks on me, But I really 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.920 reframed my response to talk about my own upbringing. I 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.840 said multiple times throughout the speech, I'm a straight, white Christian, 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.560 married suburban mom who knows that hate only wins when 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.600 people like me stand by and let it happen. And 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:36.680 throughout the book I talk about community. I talk about 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:39.400 my mom raising me in a small town and a 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:41.920 town wide yard sale that she hosted every year, and 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.120 how we all got to know each other. And I 0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:49.640 firmly believe that rebuilding this country from our community on up, 0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:53.800 where you get to know your neighbors, where you share values, 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:55.239 because at the end of the day, we all want 0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.600 safe communities and good schools and all these sorts of 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.040 things that we will be able to with stay and 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:04.759 defeat attacks that try to pit us against each other, 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.640 attacks that try to say you are not doing as 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.560 well as you imagined you would growing up, and it's 0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:14.120 somebody else's fault, whoever the person to be attacked is today, 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.480 whether it's immigrants or the LGBTQ community, or women or 0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.480 you name the attack. But that requires all of us 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:22.280 to put in the work, to get to know our neighbors, 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:25.799 to get out of our bubbles, and to participate as 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.160 a relationship with our country, not just as a vote. 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.680 I am sick and tired of politicians saying this is 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.840 the most important election of our lifetimes, because it implies 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.800 that if we all just vote for this one person, 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:41.040 then everything's going to be fixed. So what I try 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:42.520 to do in the book is make the case for 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:46.719 you know, this is about becoming an active participant in 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.080 creating the future that we want to see. But it 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:52.799 doesn't happen if you don't participate. Everything collapses. 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:56.239 Yes, say more about that though, because one of the 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.719 things that we talk a lot about is democratic messaging. 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.960 What is the right message? And people use it to 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:09.920 support their priors. So people on the far left, progressives, 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:14.800 you know, want more progressive values. Conservatives want more conservative values. 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:18.240 But I'm kind of obsessed with the chief of staff 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:22.360 of the governor from Illinois, Pritzker, who talks about that 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.799 it's you fight or you don't fight. So one of 0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:28.279 the reasons why that speech went viral was because you 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:32.880 fought right, you didn't hide. So talk to me about 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:34.040 you fight or you don't fight. 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.680 It's absolutely right, and people want to see you fighting 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.719 for them and fighting for their future. And I think 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.520 where Democrats missed the mark in twenty twenty four as 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.480 the campaign cycle went on was there was kind of 0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.800 the summer those guys are a weird line of attack, 0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:51.440 which I think was very effective, and then it ivotted 0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:55.160 towards the end of the campaign back to a very 0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:59.080 doom and gloom dark Donald Trump is a fascist and 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:03.120 this is the end of democracy. And I actually Pluff 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.440 is one of He followed me on Twitter. I guess 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.680 I'm one of one thousand people that he followed. And 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.640 sometime around October I recognized on the doors in Michigan 0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.200 this wasn't working, and I shot my shot and I 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:15.920 DMed him. I don't know if he ever read it, 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.920 but I tried to make the case. It cannot just 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.120 be about all of the bad things that Donald Trump 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.439 has done or who he is or what he's likely 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:28.879 to do, because everybody already knows that, and people are exhausted. 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.800 But if we don't give them a positive, if there's 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:35.120 not an alternative vision for the future, and you know, 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.040 I agree with pritz kerschief of Staff. I don't think 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.719 it's between progressives or moderates or a type of policy. 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:43.279 I think it's are you fighting for a future or not? 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.680 And if we don't even talk about that future, people 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:48.600 don't believe we're fighting for it. So, you know, I 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.239 think about this in terms of I'm a member of 0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:54.279 the millennial generation. I'm an elder millennial, and I think 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:59.760 for Gen X, millennials, gen Z, we are largely generation 0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:03.120 that are expected to do worse than our parents. That 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:07.800 you can do everything right, you can play by the rules, 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:09.920 you can work hard in school, you can go to 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:13.240 college or go into a trade, and you still can't 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.800 possibly fathom the American dream. You know, you can't afford 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.719 to buy a house. We've seen house prices double from 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.960 just twenty nineteen to now. And when people do not 0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:26.239 believe that systems work for them that the institution is 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.719 working for them, and you have the Democrats are saying 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.400 this is the end of democracy. People are not thinking 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.120 about democracy as a system of government. They're thinking about 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.920 it as the institution that's not working for them. And 0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.360 we have to lay out a clear vision and we 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:43.440 have to fight for that vision, not just against Donald Trump. 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.480 And I think that's where it's certainly very true. So 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:48.080 what are your next steps? 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:51.120 So I am haven't been shy beath. That's very seriously 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:54.919 exploring running for the US Senate. Gary Peters are now 0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:58.400 senior senator announced that he will not seek reelection. So 0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:00.440 it's a big decision to make, you know, it's a 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:03.880 big state. I do not take this decision likely, but 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.000 will have an announcement very soon. 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:10.120 All Right, we are waiting with Beta Brat. Thank you, 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:11.880 Maler McMorrow. 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.359 Thank you, Molly. 0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:19.200 No moment, Jesse Cannon, Molly. 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:25.279 Trump is considering a compensation fund for pardoned January six ers. 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:26.839 Let's listen to what he has to say here. 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.080 I took care of him, I said I was going 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:30.000 to and I did. 0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:33.160 Is there any talk of because they lost opportunity, they 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.000 lost income, any kind of compensation. 0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:36.400 Fucker? 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:37.640 Well, there's talk about that. 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:39.239 There have a lot of people talk about a lot 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.440 of the people that are in government now talk about 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.320 it because they a lot of the people in government 0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:48.799 really liked that group of people. They were patriots as 0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.520 far as I was concerned, I talked about I talk 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:52.319 about them a lot. 0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:54.360 They would treat it very unfairly. 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.920 You know, the thing they show is they show a 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:01.440 group of a thousand, what it may being fifteen hundred 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.840 people down but they don't show you never see the 0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.919 crowd that day. It was the biggest crowd I've ever 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:07.880 spoken before. 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.240 It went all the way to the Washington Monument. 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:14.439 It was so wide you couldn't you virtually couldn't see 0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:15.600 anything else but people. 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:17.000 They never show that. 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.360 Whether it was a million people or less than a me, 0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:21.400 I don't know what it was. 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.279 But you know, I see Bertie. 0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:24.920 Sanders as a few people out there, they say, oh, 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:28.600 the crowd is so big. They don't talk about the crowds. 0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:33.120 But a group of people went down there peacefully and patriotically. 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:34.600 Remember that, all right? 0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:37.360 So I love that. You can't stop Trump from riffing 0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:40.840 on this just is like, you know, it was a riot, 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.440 but it was my riot. My question for you is 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.919 who is the reporter who's asking if they should compensate 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:48.920 January sixth rioters. 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.520 I could answer that for you real America voice. 0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:55.600 Nope, it is Greg Kelly over at Newsmax, of course. 0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:58.920 So yeah, should they be compensated? Yeah, if you do 0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:01.759 a crime might be entitled to compensation. 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.520 Reparations for rioters is what I like to think of 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:04.879 it as. 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.040 By the way, again, this is like the Doge that 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:11.360 you were going to get these Doge checks because of Doge, 0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:12.960 that they were going to get checked. They were going 0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:15.200 to make checks for you. You were going to get 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:18.120 doged checks because they were saving you so much money, 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.040 and every person was going to get five thousand dollars. 0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:21.200 That's not happening. 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:23.320 I got mine with my Obama. 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.839 Phone, that's right, that's right. You got it with your 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:27.280 when you were on a death panel. 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.160 Yes, yes, yeah. 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.680 So anyway, they're going to say a lot of stuff. 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:33.640 They're going to say a lot of lies. They're going 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.960 to say it because they know they're incentivized to lie, 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:39.040 and you're going to see more of this and it 0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:42.239 is going to every time be our moment of fuck. 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:42.520 Right. 0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:47.760 That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:53.440 every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday to hear the best 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:57.839 minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:01.759 you enjoy this podcast, please intto a friend and keep 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:04.560 the conversation going. Thanks for listening.