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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and in a major upset, Democrats flipped

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Speaker 1: a Pennsylvania State Senate seat that Trump won by fifteen points.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. The

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Speaker 1: nation's own Jeet here stops by to talk about the

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Speaker 1: group chat heard around the world, or as we call it,

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Speaker 1: Signal Gazi group chat Gate. Then we'll talk to Michigan

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Speaker 1: State Senator Mallory mcmarrow about her new book, Hey, Won't Win,

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Speaker 1: Find your power and leave this place better than you've

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Speaker 2: But first the news Somali.

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Speaker 3: You'll get into all the specifics of group chat Gate

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Speaker 3: and Signal Gazi with Jeet when you talk to them.

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Speaker 3: But one thing you guys didn't discuss is Tulci Gabbert

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Speaker 1: Who could have seen it? Practically everyone? Tulsi Gabbard. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I want to remind people that Trump put

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Speaker 1: Tulsi Gabbard in his cabinet because he loves a convert

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Speaker 1: has always been not a great candidate, very weird. She

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Speaker 3: Now that's it, we should say, though some of the

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Speaker 1: She's just dumb. But heterodox turns out to me just dumb.

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Speaker 1: She was put in this administration. They had these hearings

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Speaker 1: you had these Democratic members able to ask Telsie about

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Speaker 1: who's actually done really well and has been fighting trump

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Speaker 1: Ism and not be clowning himself. And he says, so

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Speaker 1: it's your testimony that two weeks ago you were on

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Speaker 3: Here we go, We should say that Congressman Nadler is

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Speaker 3: calling for Gabbert and Rockcliffe to be prosecuted for perjury

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Speaker 1: Yes, good for Congressman Nadler for calling this out. Democrats

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Speaker 3: So boy, though in unconstitutional dues Mike Johnson is making

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Speaker 2: This is absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just anti democratic. So Mike Johnson has floated

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Speaker 3: Here, Somali DOJ's star and plointe one Big Balls. He

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Speaker 1: So this is a guy who has all your data,

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Speaker 1: Do you think Elon Musk's Doge is doing good work?

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Speaker 1: I do not. I do not want big Balls to

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Speaker 4: Always good to be on the program.

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Speaker 1: Nothing going on, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Full losey sull losing yeah, yeah yeah. Do you ever

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Nothing. So when you add the editor in chief

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I interesting. I mean the politics

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Speaker 1: yelling and complaining. When your son in law is a billionaire, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, really sweat whether or not you get your

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Speaker 1: Social Security check because you know you can call your

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Speaker 1: billionaire son in law.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I yeah like that,

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Speaker 4: you know, with the special elections and going to the returns,

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Speaker 4: like you just have to like run that ad say, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, this is a guy that Trump has put

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Speaker 4: it tied to the economy. This is what they think.

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Speaker 4: And I think you have like you know, tens of

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Speaker 4: thousands of people are going to hear Bernie and EOC

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Speaker 4: to hear about what are the proper channels for government

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Speaker 4: communication rights. These are people that are freaking out of

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Speaker 4: you know, the coming attacks on the ongoing attacks on

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Speaker 4: Medicare and social Security. That's just where the juice is.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, like I think the inside washing,

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Speaker 4: you you can do more than one thing at a time.

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Speaker 4: Inside Washington, I think they have a lot of juice

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Speaker 4: on this because I think Republicans are really rattle. And

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Speaker 4: you notice one thing is interesting is they haven't been

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Speaker 4: able to come up with a consistent story. Like usually

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Speaker 4: if there is like, uh, you know, Republicans are being attacked,

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Speaker 4: they come up with some sort of line and Fox

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Speaker 4: goes with it, Everyone goes with it. They don't have

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Speaker 4: a consistent story. They're kind of like fighting each other,

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Speaker 4: contradicting each other. Like obviously, like the inside politics is

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Speaker 4: great for the Democrats, you should use that, but like

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Speaker 4: you know, stepping back, let's not forget what the real

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Speaker 4: game here is. And the real game is that to

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Speaker 4: point out that this is a party of oligarchs who

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Speaker 4: are going to like steal the patriboni of the American

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Speaker 4: people to make themselves to make like people who are

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Speaker 4: billionaires into trillionaires.

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Speaker 1: Correct, get here, Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Okay, great to be on.

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Speaker 1: Mallory McMorrow is a Michigan State Senator and the author

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Speaker 1: of hate Won't When find your power and leave the

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Speaker 1: place better than you found it. Welcome back, too fast politics,

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Speaker 1: Mal I'm tomorrow so thrilled.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 1: So you have a book. Let's talk about this book.

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Speaker 1: But why did you write this book? Tell me everything?

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 6: I had a very strange year in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 6: after a colleague accused me of being a groomer and

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Speaker 6: sexualizing kindergarteners.

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Speaker 1: Right, twenty twenty two was the year when they called

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Speaker 1: everyone a groomer.

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Speaker 6: That was That was the start of it, and a

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Speaker 6: speech I gave went crazy viral, and that afforded me

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Speaker 6: the opportunity to travel the country. I was raising money

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Speaker 6: to help flip our states Senate. Here in Michigan, but

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Speaker 6: I was in more than a dozen states, and no

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Speaker 6: matter what group I was speaking to, thousands of people

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Speaker 6: said a version of the same thing, which was, I'm

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Speaker 6: so overwhelmed. I know I have to do something. I

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Speaker 6: have no idea where to start. That's what this book is.

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Speaker 6: It is half memoir that is about my very unlikely

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Speaker 6: and unplanned journey into politics and everything I've learned along

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Speaker 6: the way. And then the second part is a very

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Speaker 6: practical step by step guide for anyone and everyone, based

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Speaker 6: on what I've learned on how to get involved and

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Speaker 6: make a real difference, because we're going to need every

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Speaker 6: damn person in this country to participate to get out

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Speaker 6: of this mess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you are in Michigan. You are on

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Speaker 1: the ground where this is all happening. What are the

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Speaker 1: vibes in Michigan. Because I know what the vibes in

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Speaker 1: New York are, and they're not the same as the vibes,

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Speaker 1: Like the vibes in DC are just cataclysmic. The vibes

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Speaker 1: in New York are sort of like, it's all fine

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Speaker 1: as long as we don't deal with politics. But what

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Speaker 1: are the vibes in Michigan.

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Speaker 6: I feel like, especially in the last two weeks, we

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Speaker 6: have really, I think hit a turning point where the

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Speaker 6: first month or so of the second Trump presidency, I

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Speaker 6: still don't think everybody was in a state of shock

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Speaker 6: and not entirely sure what to do or how to engage.

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Speaker 6: And we are now seeing at every town hall and

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Speaker 6: coffee hour an event that we do it is overflow capacity, crowds.

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Speaker 6: Hundreds of people are showing up to all of these things,

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Speaker 6: and they are very deeply engaged. They know what's going on,

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Speaker 6: they know all of the chaos that this administration is unleashing,

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Speaker 6: and they're not just demanding that Democrats do something about it,

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Speaker 6: they're asking what they can do too. So I think

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Speaker 6: this is a very unique moment where people are ready,

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Speaker 6: they know they have to stand up and they have

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Speaker 6: to do something, and they're looking for that guidance on

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Speaker 6: what to do to fight all of this.

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Speaker 1: So that I think is actually sort of hopeful, as

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Speaker 1: much as anything can be helpful, this idea that there's

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Speaker 1: a critical mass in this country who is not okay

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Speaker 1: with losing their rights. I think there's so much anxiety

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Speaker 1: in pundent world that this is going unnoticed. But your

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Speaker 1: sense is that this is actually going quite noticed, very much.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 6: We had just at one of my town halls, and

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Speaker 6: we've done numerous but just one a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 6: we had three federal workers who had either been fired

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Speaker 6: or fully expected to be fired kind of any moment.

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Speaker 6: One who worked for NAH, one who she was so

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Speaker 6: scared to even tell us what department she worked for,

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Speaker 6: and one who worked for the VA. We had one

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Speaker 6: woman who shared, She's like, look, I bring home sixty

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Speaker 6: percent of our family's income and my kid's healthcare is

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Speaker 6: on my job, and if we lose this, you know,

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Speaker 6: I've always been really transparent about the fact that I

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Speaker 6: had ADHD, And she said, my son does too. You know,

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Speaker 6: the medication's expensive, This psychiatrist appointments are expensive. We will

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Speaker 6: not survive if they just slash and burn and cut

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Speaker 6: our jobs with no rhyme or reason.

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Speaker 1: Right. Of course, some of this is in the courts

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Speaker 1: coming back. Some of it is not. Do you have

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Speaker 1: a sense that things are being fixed by the court

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Speaker 1: or do you think that that's not really happening.

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Speaker 6: No, And I think people recognize that too. People are

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Speaker 6: keenly aware of the fact that the Trump administration is

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Speaker 6: either directly defying court orders or that the courts are

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Speaker 6: so overwhelmed at this point. I mean, the strategy from

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Speaker 6: the administration seems to be an all out assault on

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Speaker 6: every aspect of our government and our systems, from elections

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Speaker 6: to the courts, to the pace of executive orders and

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Speaker 6: the implementation of Project twenty twenty five. Mind you that

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Speaker 6: they're not able to keep up, but I think what

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Speaker 6: we're seeing is that hasn't led to people becoming apoplectic.

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Speaker 6: It's led to them recognizing, you know, nobody's coming to

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Speaker 6: save us. It's on us, and we have to show up.

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Speaker 6: We have to show up in every one of these

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Speaker 6: Republican districts because the only way that we fight back

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Speaker 6: is by letting the people in office know that they

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Speaker 6: have to do their jobs.

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Speaker 1: You're in the Michigan State Center right now, and you

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Speaker 1: are with these Michigan Republicans. It is some of them

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Speaker 1: are are among the most craven. What are they saying publicly?

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Speaker 1: What are they saying privately?

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Speaker 6: So what's crazy right now is it's almost like public

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Speaker 6: opinion doesn't matter. Matt All is the new Republican Speaker

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Speaker 6: of the House, and he's modeling himself, as I called him,

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Speaker 6: timu Trump this week where he's holding long, meandering press

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Speaker 6: conferences an hour long, where it's he's just you know,

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Speaker 6: he's doing everything Trump does, of just rambling incoherently and

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Speaker 6: blaming everything on the Democrats. But I'll just add this, So,

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Speaker 6: at a moment when Trump has just announced that he

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Speaker 6: is going to eliminate the Department of Education, the state

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Speaker 6: House Republicans introduced a budget that slashes five billion dollars

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Speaker 6: from our state education budget, which is twenty five percent

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Speaker 6: of the budget. And now they're trying to backtrack and say, oh,

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Speaker 6: this is a stop gap spending measure, which is not

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Speaker 6: something that we do here in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: By the way, our.

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Speaker 6: Budget is due October first or nowhere near the end,

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Speaker 6: and they don't care. I think that people are going

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Speaker 6: to have to push back. But it has been devastating

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Speaker 6: to see that the lessons are just do what Trump does.

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Speaker 6: This is Trump's Republican party all the way down to

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Speaker 6: the state level.

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Speaker 1: This is what we keep seeing, right, a Republican party

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Speaker 1: that does not care about public opinion. Right, But what

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Speaker 1: do they think is going to happen? Do they think

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Speaker 1: there won't be elections anymore. I mean, what's the thinking

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Speaker 1: here behind those craziness.

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Speaker 6: So I think my sense is that there may have

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Speaker 6: been some fear that Trump and trump Ism wasn't going

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Speaker 6: to work, but that they've been emboldened by the fact

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Speaker 6: that we're now in a second Trump presidency. So my

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Speaker 6: sense is that the feeling on the Republican side of

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Speaker 6: the aisle is if we go full speed ahead on

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Speaker 6: the entire Trump agenda on. There have been talks of

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Speaker 6: creating a state level Doge.

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Speaker 5: There was a.

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Speaker 6: Republican representative who wants to suggest that the Supreme Court

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Speaker 6: overturn Obergefel to ban same sex marriage, and to ban pornography,

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Speaker 6: you know, all of these things that are not about

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Speaker 6: people's cost of living. And I think their hope is

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Speaker 6: that if we just do it aggressively enough, that people

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Speaker 6: will love us the same way that they love Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: But I think the mistake is that only one person

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Speaker 6: is Donald Trump, and it's Donald Trump. And we've seen,

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Speaker 6: you know, look at where Carrie Lake is right now.

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Speaker 6: She just got fired effectively. Nobody's been able to replicate that.

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Speaker 6: So I think that that's on Democrats. We can't just

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Speaker 6: get caught up in talking about how bad Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: is and how bad the Republicans are. We have to

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Speaker 6: be aggressive and show people an alternative vision so that

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Speaker 6: when we do have elections, because we will have elections again,

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Speaker 6: people see themselves in a different way out of this mess.

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Speaker 1: And it's with us for sure. This is a big question, right,

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Speaker 1: And this is why Schumer got in so much trouble, right,

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Speaker 1: is that these Republicans are focused on this idea that

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Speaker 1: there's continuity, that his polls are much better than they

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Speaker 1: were the first time, and so people like it better.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that it's true.

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Speaker 6: No, that's not true at all. I think it's just

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Speaker 6: trying to ride the momentum and the energy and the pace.

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Speaker 6: And it's kind of a Jesus take the wheel attitude.

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Speaker 6: And while while you're taking that attitude, you're burning everything

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Speaker 6: down in your path. I don't even know that it's

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Speaker 6: hoping that people won't notice. It's hoping that you've done

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Speaker 6: it too fast for people to react, right, right, right, right.

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Speaker 1: But you would think there'd be some like we need

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Speaker 1: to keep the house kind of trying, right, You.

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Speaker 6: Would think, I mean, we just haven't seen any Republican

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Speaker 6: you know, say for maybe Lisa Markowski, who I can

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Speaker 6: think of in the last kind of week or so,

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Speaker 6: who's standing up. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: the votes are still the votes. So you can be

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Speaker 6: brave in a town hall and you can say the

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Speaker 6: right things, but until we see a version of the

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Speaker 6: Republican Party that's willing to vote to get back to

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Speaker 6: you know, not even vote with Democrats necessarily, but vote

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Speaker 6: for normalcy, it's going to keep happening.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly this twenty twenty four cycle, there were a

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Speaker 1: lot of Democrats who bucked the trend. Right. There was

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Speaker 1: Tammy Baldwin and Reuben Diego, and you know there were

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Speaker 1: states that went to Trump. But also you know they

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Speaker 1: they voted for Trump and left the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: ticket blank, or they voted for Trump and Diego. Make

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Speaker 1: sense of that to me as someone who does politics

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Speaker 1: in Michigan, because I feel like Michigan's a great example

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Speaker 1: of a state where you have everything. You have the

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Speaker 1: Michigan Militia, you have ann Arbor.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we are I tell everybody all the time.

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Speaker 6: Michigan is the microcosm of the entire country, and we

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Speaker 6: are the the coal mine. Michigan is one of those states.

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Speaker 6: You know, at the top people voted for Trump, and

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Speaker 6: we now have Senator Alissa Slatkin. The Democrats lost the

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Speaker 6: state House, but it was only by five thousand, four

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Speaker 6: hundred votes across four districts. It's a battleground state. It's

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Speaker 6: a purple state, and we did see people, particularly young men,

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Speaker 6: show up and vote for Donald Trump and nothing else.

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Speaker 6: One of my colleagues was on Michigan State's campus on

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Speaker 6: election day and he said that anecdotally, you know, he

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Speaker 6: would watch young guys coming in maga hats. They were there, clearly,

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Speaker 6: they bubbled in one thing and walked out. But Michiganders

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Speaker 6: want to see themselves. This is a state where you

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Speaker 6: do not have to register by party. We have open primaries.

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Speaker 6: This is a state where people are fiercely independent. And

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Speaker 6: if you look at people like Alyssa Slockin and Krista

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Speaker 6: McDonald Rivett who won in a tough district in Congress

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Speaker 6: and overperformed, it was about the economy and cost of

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Speaker 6: living and frankly, just talking like a normal person and

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Speaker 6: not taking any bullshit. And that is something that Michiganders

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Speaker 6: can connect with. They see themselves in and are willing

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Speaker 6: to vote for. And I hope the rest of the

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Speaker 6: country takes notice.

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Speaker 1: So in your book, you talk about the sort of

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Speaker 1: how to make things better and that hate won't win.

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Speaker 1: Explain to us how you got here and why you

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Speaker 1: think this is the tact that leaders should take.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I became known across the country for

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Speaker 6: this speech that I gave that was a result of

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Speaker 6: anti DEI, anti LGBTQ attacks on me, But I really

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Speaker 6: reframed my response to talk about my own upbringing. I

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Speaker 6: said multiple times throughout the speech, I'm a straight, white Christian,

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Speaker 6: married suburban mom who knows that hate only wins when

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Speaker 6: people like me stand by and let it happen. And

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Speaker 6: throughout the book I talk about community. I talk about

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Speaker 6: my mom raising me in a small town and a

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Speaker 6: town wide yard sale that she hosted every year, and

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Speaker 6: how we all got to know each other. And I

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Speaker 6: firmly believe that rebuilding this country from our community on up,

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Speaker 6: where you get to know your neighbors, where you share values,

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Speaker 6: because at the end of the day, we all want

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Speaker 6: safe communities and good schools and all these sorts of

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Speaker 6: things that we will be able to with stay and

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Speaker 6: defeat attacks that try to pit us against each other,

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Speaker 6: attacks that try to say you are not doing as

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Speaker 6: well as you imagined you would growing up, and it's

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Speaker 6: somebody else's fault, whoever the person to be attacked is today,

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Speaker 6: whether it's immigrants or the LGBTQ community, or women or

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Speaker 6: you name the attack. But that requires all of us

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Speaker 6: to put in the work, to get to know our neighbors,

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Speaker 6: to get out of our bubbles, and to participate as

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Speaker 6: a relationship with our country, not just as a vote.

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Speaker 6: I am sick and tired of politicians saying this is

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Speaker 6: the most important election of our lifetimes, because it implies

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Speaker 6: that if we all just vote for this one person,

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Speaker 6: then everything's going to be fixed. So what I try

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Speaker 6: to do in the book is make the case for

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Speaker 6: you know, this is about becoming an active participant in

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Speaker 6: creating the future that we want to see. But it

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Speaker 6: doesn't happen if you don't participate. Everything collapses.

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Speaker 1: Yes, say more about that though, because one of the

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Speaker 1: things that we talk a lot about is democratic messaging.

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Speaker 1: What is the right message? And people use it to

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Speaker 1: support their priors. So people on the far left, progressives,

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Speaker 1: you know, want more progressive values. Conservatives want more conservative values.

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Speaker 1: But I'm kind of obsessed with the chief of staff

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Speaker 1: of the governor from Illinois, Pritzker, who talks about that

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Speaker 1: it's you fight or you don't fight. So one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why that speech went viral was because you

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Speaker 1: fought right, you didn't hide. So talk to me about

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Speaker 1: you fight or you don't fight.

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Speaker 6: It's absolutely right, and people want to see you fighting

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Speaker 6: for them and fighting for their future. And I think

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Speaker 6: where Democrats missed the mark in twenty twenty four as

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Speaker 6: the campaign cycle went on was there was kind of

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Speaker 6: the summer those guys are a weird line of attack,

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Speaker 6: which I think was very effective, and then it ivotted

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Speaker 6: towards the end of the campaign back to a very

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Speaker 6: doom and gloom dark Donald Trump is a fascist and

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Speaker 6: this is the end of democracy. And I actually Pluff

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Speaker 6: is one of He followed me on Twitter. I guess

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Speaker 6: I'm one of one thousand people that he followed. And

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Speaker 6: sometime around October I recognized on the doors in Michigan

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Speaker 6: this wasn't working, and I shot my shot and I

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Speaker 6: DMed him. I don't know if he ever read it,

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Speaker 6: but I tried to make the case. It cannot just

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Speaker 6: be about all of the bad things that Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: has done or who he is or what he's likely

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Speaker 6: to do, because everybody already knows that, and people are exhausted.

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Speaker 6: But if we don't give them a positive, if there's

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Speaker 6: not an alternative vision for the future, and you know,

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Speaker 6: I agree with pritz kerschief of Staff. I don't think

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Speaker 6: it's between progressives or moderates or a type of policy.

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Speaker 6: I think it's are you fighting for a future or not?

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Speaker 6: And if we don't even talk about that future, people

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Speaker 6: don't believe we're fighting for it. So, you know, I

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Speaker 6: think about this in terms of I'm a member of

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Speaker 6: the millennial generation. I'm an elder millennial, and I think

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Speaker 6: for Gen X, millennials, gen Z, we are largely generation

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Speaker 6: that are expected to do worse than our parents. That

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Speaker 6: you can do everything right, you can play by the rules,

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Speaker 6: you can work hard in school, you can go to

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Speaker 6: college or go into a trade, and you still can't

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Speaker 6: possibly fathom the American dream. You know, you can't afford

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Speaker 6: to buy a house. We've seen house prices double from

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Speaker 6: just twenty nineteen to now. And when people do not

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Speaker 6: believe that systems work for them that the institution is

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Speaker 6: working for them, and you have the Democrats are saying

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Speaker 6: this is the end of democracy. People are not thinking

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Speaker 6: about democracy as a system of government. They're thinking about

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Speaker 6: it as the institution that's not working for them. And

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Speaker 6: we have to lay out a clear vision and we

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Speaker 6: have to fight for that vision, not just against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where it's certainly very true. So

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Speaker 1: what are your next steps?

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Speaker 6: So I am haven't been shy beath. That's very seriously

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Speaker 6: exploring running for the US Senate. Gary Peters are now

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Speaker 6: senior senator announced that he will not seek reelection. So

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Speaker 6: it's a big decision to make, you know, it's a

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Speaker 6: big state. I do not take this decision likely, but

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Speaker 6: will have an announcement very soon.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we are waiting with Beta Brat. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Maler McMorrow.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Molly.

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Speaker 2: No moment, Jesse Cannon, Molly.

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Speaker 3: Trump is considering a compensation fund for pardoned January six ers.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to what he has to say here.

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Speaker 5: I took care of him, I said I was going

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Speaker 5: to and I did.

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Speaker 7: Is there any talk of because they lost opportunity, they

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Speaker 7: lost income, any kind of compensation.

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Speaker 2: Fucker?

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Speaker 5: Well, there's talk about that.

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Speaker 7: There have a lot of people talk about a lot

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Speaker 7: of the people that are in government now talk about

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Speaker 7: it because they a lot of the people in government

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Speaker 7: really liked that group of people. They were patriots as

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Speaker 7: far as I was concerned, I talked about I talk

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Speaker 7: about them a lot.

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Speaker 5: They would treat it very unfairly.

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Speaker 7: You know, the thing they show is they show a

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Speaker 7: group of a thousand, what it may being fifteen hundred

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Speaker 7: people down but they don't show you never see the

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Speaker 7: crowd that day. It was the biggest crowd I've ever

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Speaker 7: spoken before.

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Speaker 5: It went all the way to the Washington Monument.

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Speaker 7: It was so wide you couldn't you virtually couldn't see

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Speaker 7: anything else but people.

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Speaker 5: They never show that.

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Speaker 7: Whether it was a million people or less than a me,

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Speaker 7: I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I see Bertie.

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Speaker 7: Sanders as a few people out there, they say, oh,

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Speaker 7: the crowd is so big. They don't talk about the crowds.

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Speaker 7: But a group of people went down there peacefully and patriotically.

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Speaker 5: Remember that, all right?

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Speaker 1: So I love that. You can't stop Trump from riffing

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Speaker 1: on this just is like, you know, it was a riot,

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Speaker 1: but it was my riot. My question for you is

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Speaker 1: who is the reporter who's asking if they should compensate

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Speaker 1: January sixth rioters.

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Speaker 2: I could answer that for you real America voice.

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Speaker 3: Nope, it is Greg Kelly over at Newsmax, of course.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, should they be compensated? Yeah, if you do

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Speaker 1: a crime might be entitled to compensation.

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Speaker 2: Reparations for rioters is what I like to think of

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Speaker 2: it as.

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Speaker 1: By the way, again, this is like the Doge that

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Speaker 1: you were going to get these Doge checks because of Doge,

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Speaker 1: that they were going to get checked. They were going

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Speaker 1: to make checks for you. You were going to get

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Speaker 1: doged checks because they were saving you so much money,

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Speaker 1: and every person was going to get five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: That's not happening.

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Speaker 2: I got mine with my Obama.

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Speaker 1: Phone, that's right, that's right. You got it with your

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Speaker 1: when you were on a death panel.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, they're going to say a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: They're going to say a lot of lies. They're going

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Speaker 1: to say it because they know they're incentivized to lie,

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Speaker 1: and you're going to see more of this and it

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Speaker 1: is going to every time be our moment of fuck.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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