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Speaker 1: in series XM one eleven, let me introduce to you

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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher, former cop now probably an investigator with

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Speaker 1: Crispin Special Investigations dot Com. Robert Crispin special guest joining us.

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Speaker 1: Clinical forensics psychologists out of Louisiana, Doctor Brandon p. Romano

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Speaker 1: Grey Zone Podcast Joining me. Melissa hot Meyer and special

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Speaker 1: would have to agree that so many mothers would risk

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Speaker 1: what happened here. Why a doctor Romana. My first thought

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Speaker 1: about this is that Brittany must have had some idea,

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Speaker 1: She had a suspicion or prior knowledge. When two grown

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Speaker 1: men show up at your house and ask for your children,

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Speaker 1: the first thing that most parents would do, including myself,

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Speaker 1: in the way, and you said it, there's no love

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Speaker 1: like the mother of the love of a mother. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a bond. When it's solid, it can't be broken.

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Speaker 1: There's a cognitive, there's emotional, there's an instinctual process in

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Speaker 1: protecting our children. Many parents will say, you will hear

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Speaker 1: them comment that they would do anything for their children,

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Speaker 1: including taking a bullet, and that's clearly what Britney did

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Speaker 1: for her child. Many parents would live an unbearable grief

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Speaker 1: if they had a chance to save their child's life

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Speaker 1: and they did nothing. You know, Alexis Terret Chuck, you're

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Speaker 1: a new mom, and you never know when that moment

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Speaker 1: is going to happen where you leap in and try

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Speaker 1: to save the child's life. And I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: imagine Brittany there with her girl and her friend and

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Speaker 1: these two thugs come to the door looking for the

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Speaker 1: teen rape victim, and she had where with Paul to

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Speaker 1: tell her daughter to hide. Showed her to go hide,

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Speaker 1: and what she did which saved her life too, because

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Speaker 1: if she had maybe been in the living room, maybe

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Speaker 1: the guy would have figured out the way, this isn't her,

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Speaker 1: this is a mom. But instead she told her to

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Speaker 1: hide and they believed her, which is just amazing. She

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Speaker 1: was so convincing and so honest and appealing to these

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Speaker 1: guys that they believed her and shot her dead. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and been said something, well, you don't look like you're

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Speaker 1: a teenager. Let me well they know the age of

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Speaker 1: the victim. I don't know that they did. True, guys.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Who is this person is

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Speaker 1: Beau Cormier? Who is this? Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: friend tie our hunt at crime online bou Cormier's long

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Speaker 1: history of abusive crime began when he was a teenager.

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Speaker 1: At seventeen years he was charged with the forcible rape

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Speaker 1: of a twelve year old family member. He entered into

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Speaker 1: a plea agreement to a lesser charge of felony colonel

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Speaker 1: knowledge of a juvenile. Cormier was sentenced to seven and

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Speaker 1: a half years of hard labor, but that sentence was

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Speaker 1: suspended for five years of supervised probation and registry as

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Speaker 1: a sex offender. During the same time frame, Cormier also

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Speaker 1: faced two counts of cyberstalking for threatening, terrifying, and or

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Speaker 1: harassing a man. He agreed to plead no contest to

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Speaker 1: one of the charges and was sentenced to sixty days

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Speaker 1: in jail, but that too, was suspended for one year

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Speaker 1: of unsupervised probation in it. Melissa Hotmeyer, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our next information and about this

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Speaker 1: perp I will never forget as a crime victim handling

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Speaker 1: cases in the DA's office, and I thought, every case, well,

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Speaker 1: this guy get out and kill somebody like what happened

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Speaker 1: to Keith, my fiancee. And I felt this huge burden

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Speaker 1: to think of reducing a case to straight probation when

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Speaker 1: you have raped a toyelve year old girl. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean it should be. It's mine. It should be every

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Speaker 1: prosecutor's worst nightmare and stuff that keeps me up at night.

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Speaker 1: And I you know, I'd rather take a keys to

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Speaker 1: trial then you know, possibly let someone out and you

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Speaker 1: know they harm someone else, they kill someone else, because

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Speaker 1: you know, we know that sex offenders they typically recidivate

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Speaker 1: at a much higher rate than other offenders. They really do.

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Speaker 1: And I'm saying that anecdotally. I don't have a stat

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Speaker 1: that I've written down, but I know what I know

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Speaker 1: from all the years I prosecuted in covered cases. Melissa,

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, guys, take a listen again, Who is

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Speaker 1: this evil due or is the only word I can

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Speaker 1: think of. Take a listen to Tyler hunt Crime online.

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Speaker 1: Thirty five year old bo Cormier's list of crimes include

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Speaker 1: forcible rape, third degree rape, intimidation of a witness, cyberstalking,

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Speaker 1: armed robbery, and animal cruelty. Plea bargains allowed him to

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Speaker 1: serve time in prison concurrently for burglary and armed robbery charges.

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Speaker 1: Last year, Cormier was arrested and charged in the third

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Speaker 1: degree rape of his then sixteen year old niece and

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Speaker 1: intimidation of the victim's mother. Bond was set at fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars for the first charge and five thousand for

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Speaker 1: the second. Cormia bailed out of jail the same day.

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Speaker 1: So let me understand, alexis Tourez Chuck. Earlier joining us

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Speaker 1: was miss Meyer. So she is the mother of the

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Speaker 1: victim in this case, Brittany Cormier and the defendant Britney's brother.

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Speaker 1: Let me understand if I've got this right, Beou Cormier

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Speaker 1: was charged with raping his teen girl niece. Do I

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Speaker 1: have that right? You do? That's exactly right. So Bou

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Speaker 1: and Brittany brothers and sisters. Their mom was on today

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Speaker 1: and he is the one who was arrested and charged

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Speaker 1: with raping his niece and threatening her mom, threatening Brittany.

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Speaker 1: That was last summer, So then he was the one.

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Speaker 1: And as you heard the listeners heard in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: he was actually a pallbearer at his sister Brittany's funeral,

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Speaker 1: he carried her coffin. But instead he's now been arrested

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Speaker 1: for this murder, these two murders, as well for masterminding

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Speaker 1: these two murders. Guys, take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: twelve Seula kim at wdsu Oh Cormier, Andrew Eskin, and

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Wilson are now each facing one count of criminal

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Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder and one count of a did

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Speaker 1: first degree murder. Cormier allegedly hired two of his friends

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Speaker 1: to silence a rape victim to keep her from testifying.

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Speaker 1: The rape victim was not killed, and instead someone else

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Speaker 1: at the home, Brittany Cormier and her neighbor, Hope Nettleton,

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Speaker 1: died as a result of their injuries. Investigators say the

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Speaker 1: new charges stem from two prior incidents when the suspects

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Speaker 1: conducted surveillance on the home and attempted to commit the crime.

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Speaker 1: So this guy Cormier Bo Cormier, Brittany's brother charged with

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Speaker 1: raping her daughter his niece he remains unnamed, comes back

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Speaker 1: to sens hitman to kill the niece to keep her

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Speaker 1: from testifying, and the idiots he sends end up killing

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Speaker 1: Brittany and her best friend while the team girl hides

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Speaker 1: in the closet. May they all burn in hell with

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Speaker 1: a little pit stop at old spark Key the electric chair.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you could have written a

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Speaker 1: more tragic story than this. And what about it, doctor

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Speaker 1: Brandon p Romano. This guy boat Cormier started probably before

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Speaker 1: he was even seventeen, raping people, and now there's rape,

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Speaker 1: double murder, animal cruelty. I don't know where that fits in.

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Speaker 1: But the list goes on and on and on. That's

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Speaker 1: a real argument against rehabilitation. I for one, believe there

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Speaker 1: can be rehabilitation in certain cases, but not sex cases.

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Speaker 1: I don't think sex offenders can ever change what's with him? Romano.

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Speaker 1: So you know, in Louisiana, sex offender designation can go

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Speaker 1: out for many types of cases, and we often say

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Speaker 1: that not all sex offenders are the same. I think,

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Speaker 1: when you get to this level. We have a entirely

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Speaker 1: new level of offender. We have someone although I've never

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Speaker 1: met this individual, never evaluated this individual, what we are

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Speaker 1: seeing is a pervasive pattern of disregard, lack of respect

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Speaker 1: and dignity for others that began in adolescence. Based on

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Speaker 1: the information I'm hearing. Um, you know, that's one why

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Speaker 1: you're putting perfume on a pig, Romano, because when I

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Speaker 1: think of don't respect, that's when my daughter. It's usually

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Speaker 1: her or not my son. I'm sad to report that

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Speaker 1: says yes and no instead of yes ma'am and no, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: That to me is not disrespect. Gunning down to innocent,

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Speaker 1: defenseless women while a teen girl, right victim, cowers in

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Speaker 1: a closet. I think that goes beyond disrespect. Dot Romano.

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Speaker 1: We agree to disagree, but to you, you guys do

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Speaker 1: have the death penalty in Louisiana, right, yes, alexis rst Chuck.

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Speaker 1: What happens next? They have they were just arrested a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago. They and this district attorney has said

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Speaker 1: they're still looking at everything. They have all these details

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Speaker 1: though about those past history and pointantly, this is eighteen

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Speaker 1: years that we know of crime and he is only

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Speaker 1: thirty five years old. So they have to get everything

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Speaker 1: in the road. The debt, I mean the d The

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Speaker 1: devil was the devil on the day he was born.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace crime store signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,