WEBVTT - Heroin: The Drug

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<v Speaker 1>Should Know, a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works.

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<v Speaker 1>All Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Charles w. Chuck Bryan over there, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just the two of us. Um, we can make it

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<v Speaker 1>and I. That's right. Uh, and we are stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>should know the Heroin addition, Yeah, I haven't covered Heroin yet. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't. We have not. Um and Ed helped us

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<v Speaker 1>out with this, and I love how he just put

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<v Speaker 1>it straight up. Heroin is a demon. I'm like, Che's

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<v Speaker 1>way to be objective. You know what occurred to me

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<v Speaker 1>because I like to think of things that the lens

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<v Speaker 1>of movies a lot of times. Uh, pot movies rarely,

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<v Speaker 1>if ever any good. What have you ever seen? Days

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<v Speaker 1>and Confused? My friend, I don't consider we we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this on movie Crush and All and I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't consider that a weed movie. Although it's featured heavily,

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<v Speaker 1>I would call it one of the main characters. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't call it a weed movie. I consider weed movies

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<v Speaker 1>like Cheech and Chong movies. What about Half Baked, Half Baked?

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<v Speaker 1>How High? Like movies where it's literally just about marijuana,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Days and Confused about a bunch of friends in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies and the school fair enough, fair enough. Other people, though, said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're wrong. Days confused as a weed movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say that as a weed movie, that's one

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<v Speaker 1>good one. Like Cheech and Chong movies are okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're really not that good. They really uh cocaine movies,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't are there cocaine movies? Yeah, there's like Blow

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<v Speaker 1>was a cocaine movie, and yeah about dealing, Yeah for

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<v Speaker 1>sure blows about as cocaine movie as they get. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't think of one that's just straight up like following

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<v Speaker 1>some cocaine users. Yeah, like that because it's probably like

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<v Speaker 1>no one wants to see that, right. But heroin movies

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<v Speaker 1>are great, well, I mean you got what spotting, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>panic in Needle Park Train, spotting to see um and

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<v Speaker 1>and you know if even if it's not about heroin

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like pulp fiction, like I think heroin has been

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<v Speaker 1>romanticized in film, uh, far more effectively and more often

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<v Speaker 1>than any other drug, right, which is pretty messed up,

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<v Speaker 1>because if there is a drug out there where Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan actually was right for once in her life and

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just lying through her teeth, it is definitely definitely heroin. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a genuinely bad, bad drug and basically the

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<v Speaker 1>last thing that should be romanticized. Um, But you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they've made some pretty good movies about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think people are like, Wow, those jazz cats

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<v Speaker 1>are really into that that skag man um. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, I can't imagine that there

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<v Speaker 1>aren't people out there who haven't tried heroin because it

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<v Speaker 1>was romanticized in the movies. I hate to say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think because in the movies it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it portrays it as it is, which is euphoric and relaxing.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, every movie you see when someone does

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<v Speaker 1>the heroin, uh, what you see right afterward is a

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<v Speaker 1>big wave of of happiness wash over them. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>why you don't see movies about people snorting cocaine, is

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<v Speaker 1>because it's just not fun to see someone snort cocaine

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<v Speaker 1>and then talk incessantly like a jerk for the next

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<v Speaker 1>four hours. You're right, right, depending on how much you got.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never done heroin, but I do know that its

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<v Speaker 1>chemical name is diah morphine, And we can't talk about

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<v Speaker 1>heroin without talking about morphine because it's kind of almost

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. Well, it's morphine's baby, Yeah, basically, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's you can take morphine. Great band name, run it

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<v Speaker 1>through morphine, Morphine's baby. It is kind of and I

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<v Speaker 1>think about it. Remember that band Morphine? They were really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Morphine. Yeah, they were great. Um what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of music would they be classified as? They're not quite grunched,

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<v Speaker 1>They're not quite metal. Now, Morphine was very chill okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had like a real heavy guitar sound, right,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of feedback and distortion. No, I think you're thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of a different band. Morphine had the saxophone as like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the main interest instruments. Unless I'm thinking, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking of Chicago at any rate. No, morphine is

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<v Speaker 1>the parent of heroin. Um. You take morphine and run

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<v Speaker 1>it through a few hoops with some acids, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden you have heroin. And they apparently are

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<v Speaker 1>so close together, um that the average user couldn't tell

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<v Speaker 1>the difference between the two, because your body basically takes

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<v Speaker 1>heroin and turns it into morphine. The biggest differences are

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<v Speaker 1>the um, the how long the high lasts. It's much

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<v Speaker 1>shorter with heroin, but I think it it sets on faster,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the addictiveness heroin is even more addictive than morphine,

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<v Speaker 1>and morphine is awfully addictive itself. Heroin is apparently just

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<v Speaker 1>in a whole different league as far as addictiveness goes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I've heard, uh, And that's certainly how they

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<v Speaker 1>portrayed in movies as well. To be fair, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's although there are movies that show, like pulp fiction

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<v Speaker 1>is a good example of a functioning heroin addict, but

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<v Speaker 1>usually that's not the case in a movie. No, it's true,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean m yeah, they usually do show how

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of gross it gets for heroin addicts. There's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's rare. It's rare that it's it's not that

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<v Speaker 1>part isn't included. Like think about, um, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>name of that movie. It's Jared Leto and word reccoim

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<v Speaker 1>for a Dream. Yeah, that was harrowing. I always say

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<v Speaker 1>I got pink eye from watching that movie with that

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<v Speaker 1>dirty dude. Oh man, that's a perfect way to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's who can forget the one image of

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<v Speaker 1>the when he injected into that festering sore. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>abscess of I think I came across something that I

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<v Speaker 1>think is what it was. It's called wound botulis um uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a that's a side effect, a risk of

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<v Speaker 1>of heroin um, which I mean, if you think Heroine's glamorous,

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<v Speaker 1>just look up wound botuli is um or gang green

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<v Speaker 1>or an abscess from injection site. And also fact, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking about doing heroin, do that um reccoi. And

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<v Speaker 1>for a Dream is also a good example of why

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<v Speaker 1>they don't make movies about cocaine and speed because the

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<v Speaker 1>probably the most unsettling aspect of that movie is the

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<v Speaker 1>the subplot with or the plot line with Ellen Burr

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<v Speaker 1>with Ellen Burst. It was hard to watch. It was

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<v Speaker 1>very hard to watch, although some parts of it were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty funny, like when the TV is just straight up

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<v Speaker 1>talking to her. That was hysterical. That in that movie

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<v Speaker 1>was nuts. Okay, So back to heroin. UM, there's apparently, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a very pure form of heroin, which makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, any kind of processed drug like cocaine or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, Um, there's going to be a purest

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<v Speaker 1>form of it, but far and away the vast majority

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<v Speaker 1>of people who use that drug are never going to

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<v Speaker 1>encounter that purest form. It gets cut and there's impurities

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<v Speaker 1>that are introduced to make it less pure so you

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<v Speaker 1>can sell more. Um. And so the heroin goes from

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<v Speaker 1>like this off white kind of slightly grayish color to

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<v Speaker 1>everything from like orange and brown to black. Um, like

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<v Speaker 1>black tar heroin like one of the most famous heroin

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<v Speaker 1>varieties ever, from what I've heard, is comes from Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just really bottom of the barrel stuff. Like

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that the purest form is a almost white powder

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<v Speaker 1>and you're shooting black tar. That kind of gives you

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<v Speaker 1>an idea of how far from purity black tar heroin is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that that black tar heroine is usually cut

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<v Speaker 1>with either burned corn starch or lactose. Great. There's also

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<v Speaker 1>there's cheese heroin too, which is supposedly um, pretty rough

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<v Speaker 1>as well as far as impurities go. But it also

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<v Speaker 1>just sounds gross like cheese heroin. Yeah. Why did why

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<v Speaker 1>take a word that's great like cheese and screw attach

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<v Speaker 1>it to heroin? That's right? Uh. The other ways it

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<v Speaker 1>can be sold, which I didn't know. It can be

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<v Speaker 1>sold as a salt, which you know how in movies

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<v Speaker 1>if they're ejecting it, they always cook it up in

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<v Speaker 1>the spoon, And I think part partially why movies glamorize

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<v Speaker 1>it is because just cinematically, to shoot, um, to film

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<v Speaker 1>someone cooking something in the spoon and in the whole

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<v Speaker 1>process is just you know, it's interesting looking, it looks

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<v Speaker 1>good on screen, looks so glamorous. It does in a

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<v Speaker 1>little in a weird way. Um. But when you sell

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<v Speaker 1>it as a salt, it does not need to be

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<v Speaker 1>heated and dissolved. It's just I guess you can just

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<v Speaker 1>dissolve it like salt will dissolve in water. Um. You

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<v Speaker 1>can smoke it, you can snort it, you can put

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<v Speaker 1>it in your butt. You sound like um. Like Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Farley and Black Sheep, I never saw it. There's this

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<v Speaker 1>part where he's like shooting, snort and smoke and drop

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<v Speaker 1>and I've just I've seen too much Chris Farley in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. He's yeah, he's constantly in my head. Or

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<v Speaker 1>you can eat heroin apparently, yeah, especially cheese heroin. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>really okay. Um, So that's there's like a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>different kinds of heroine you can get depending on where

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<v Speaker 1>you are. It's going to come from different places in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, which we'll talk about. Um. And there's no

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<v Speaker 1>denying it gets you super duper high when you when

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<v Speaker 1>you do Heroin. UM. The problem is is that within

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<v Speaker 1>a few hours of that, you start to enter Heroin withdrawals.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk about exactly what goes on in the

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<v Speaker 1>brain a little more, but basically your brain is saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I need more of what you just gave me because

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<v Speaker 1>I adjusted to life with that UM, with that level

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<v Speaker 1>of dopamine release that it triggered, UM, and now everything's

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<v Speaker 1>just horrid and black. And again, this can start in

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<v Speaker 1>just a few hours, depending on how many times you've

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<v Speaker 1>shot Heroin, how much of a dependence you've developed, how

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<v Speaker 1>much tolerance you've developed, and all these factors come together

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<v Speaker 1>to determine just how bad your withdrawal symptoms are. Yes, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, most movies glamorized Heroin for a little while,

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<v Speaker 1>but then we'll also show the dark side, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>and usually will include a kicking Heroin scene. Yeah, very famously,

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<v Speaker 1>very famously in Train Spotting when he rattles off that

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<v Speaker 1>list when he locks himself in his apartment, you and

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<v Speaker 1>McGregor enlists out all the things that he needs to

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<v Speaker 1>successfully kick What is the very funny I just pulled

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<v Speaker 1>it up here music, tomato soup, tint indigo mushroom soup,

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<v Speaker 1>eight tins of a consumption cold ice cream, vanilla, one

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<v Speaker 1>large tub of magnesia milk, one bottle pharmacs, uh paracetamal, mouthwash, vitamins,

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<v Speaker 1>mineral water, lucas aid, pornography, one mattress, one bucket for urine,

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<v Speaker 1>one for feces, and one for vomitus. Yes, supposedly, after

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<v Speaker 1>a while, the withdrawal gets so bad that you just

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<v Speaker 1>can't get out of bed to to poop or pee

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<v Speaker 1>or vomit, but you're still going to vomit and poop

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<v Speaker 1>um withdrawal symptoms kicking, terrible diarrhea, terrible vomiting UM. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's the thing is is the withdrawal is almost never fatal,

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<v Speaker 1>but it can be fatal. And it's not from the

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<v Speaker 1>withdrawal symptoms themselves, it's secondary to it. Like you're vomiting

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<v Speaker 1>and peeing and um pooping so much that you can

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<v Speaker 1>become dehydrated, your electrolite balances can go off, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can die of heart failure because the electrical impulses in

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<v Speaker 1>your heart are no longer functioning correctly. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>know what you're doing, um and you especially do it

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<v Speaker 1>under medical supervision, you can have a far easier and

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<v Speaker 1>and um much less life threatening experience of kicking heroin.

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<v Speaker 1>The good news is this, even if you are the

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<v Speaker 1>the person who is most addicted to heroin in the

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<v Speaker 1>world right now, if you decided to kick it, you

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<v Speaker 1>have four to five or six really bad days ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of you before you're free of your heroin addiction. It's

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<v Speaker 1>that simple. Any heroin, Um, I want to keep saying

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<v Speaker 1>heroin addict, We definitely don't say that anymore. But any

0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.360
<v Speaker 1>person addicted to heroin walking around today, Chuck is just

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<v Speaker 1>a week away from being free of heroin. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>that that would be the worst week of their entire lives.

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<v Speaker 1>But they can do it. Every single one of them

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<v Speaker 1>can do it. An entire physicians practices and um convalescent

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<v Speaker 1>centers and rehabs have been set up to medically assist

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<v Speaker 1>in making the withdrawal process, you know, easier and safer,

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<v Speaker 1>so that it does increase the chance that they're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be like, forget this, I just need some heroin.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything will be fine again. Yeah, and um, you know

0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.360
<v Speaker 1>you're probably gonna get if you're under medical supervision. Some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of sedative or a drug that memics heroin. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>most commonly, I think methodone. Yeah, it's like subox zone now,

0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:01.000
<v Speaker 1>which is, yeah, it really binds tightly to your pioid receptors,

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<v Speaker 1>so it blocks heroin when you're doing it. Um, so

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<v Speaker 1>you become less and less dependent on heroin. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the subak zone is just much less addictive or habit form.

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<v Speaker 1>And because it's just much less potent, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>get off of the subok zone after you're off of

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<v Speaker 1>the heroine. So why heroin makes you feel so good? Um? People,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we don't fully understand the brain chemistry, um

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<v Speaker 1>of exactly how that works. But uh, we do know

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<v Speaker 1>that the chemicals, you know, once it gets in your brain,

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<v Speaker 1>the brain breaks it down into other chemicals, and those

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals um sort of just closed down the things that

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<v Speaker 1>normally regulate your dopamine. And so your brain makes a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of dopamine right right, So you've got a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of dopamine going. But it also affects other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>your brain too, to where say, um, you're basically imagine

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<v Speaker 1>your brain chemistry normally is that in this nice kind

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<v Speaker 1>of harmony? And then heroin comes in and just totally

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<v Speaker 1>over whelms it with a tidal wave of a dopamine. Well,

0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.440
<v Speaker 1>your brain says, oh jeez, well, I need to to

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<v Speaker 1>up all of the production of all these other um

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<v Speaker 1>neurochemicals so that I reach homeostasis again, so that jack's

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<v Speaker 1>all the levels up. UM. And then when the heroine

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<v Speaker 1>dies back UM, because your dose is wearing off, your

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<v Speaker 1>dopamine levels drop, but then all these other levels are

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<v Speaker 1>still up, and all of a sudden, it's like your

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<v Speaker 1>brain is screaming in a in a crowded room where

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<v Speaker 1>everybody just stops talking, and it's just your brain screaming

0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:33.880
<v Speaker 1>now right, or like the music cuts off in your

0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.200
<v Speaker 1>brain was trying to talk loud over the music. It's

0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.040
<v Speaker 1>very much like that. And so some of these other

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals can produce some really unpleasant sensations. And the upshot

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<v Speaker 1>of it is that that dopamine, the one thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>making you feel really really good, is the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's truly lacking then because your brain isn't making it

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<v Speaker 1>naturally UM, it's making all this other stuff that makes

0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.160
<v Speaker 1>you feel quite uncomfortable, uh, in much higher amounts. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's when you say, I need some more heroin.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing is this, as your brain starts

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<v Speaker 1>making more and more and more of these other neurochemicals,

0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.080
<v Speaker 1>you need more and more and more heroin to release

0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.760
<v Speaker 1>increasing increasingly larger amounts of dopamine just to get to normal.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they mean when they say, just to get

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<v Speaker 1>to normal, I have to do this much heroin, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I have to do even more to get high. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is what's called tolerance. And the more tolerance

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<v Speaker 1>you have, the worshier withdrawal symptoms are going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that means when you stop with the heroine, the

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<v Speaker 1>levels of everything else are really really high, and the

0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.440
<v Speaker 1>dopamine is way back down in the basement. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's basically heroin in a nutshell. Yeah, And you

0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:53.360
<v Speaker 1>know tolerance. There's tolerance for every drug in the world, uh, cigarettes, alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, everything,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, it feels like heroine's. Um. It's just such

0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a dangerous game you're playing there with the tolerance levels

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<v Speaker 1>and then getting off and getting back on or more

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<v Speaker 1>so a little, probably more so than other drugs even

0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and then the well, the other thing that makes it

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous too is again, withdrawal itself is very rarely fatal,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when it's assystematically. But um heroin itself is extraordinarily

0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.800
<v Speaker 1>dangerous too, because one of the big effects that it

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:27.359
<v Speaker 1>has on your body is lowered respiration, so you aren't

0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.840
<v Speaker 1>taking very deep breaths any longer. You can actually die

0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.080
<v Speaker 1>of like carbon monoxide poisoning because you're not exhaling enough

0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.439
<v Speaker 1>carbon monoxides or you're not getting in enough oxygen and

0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you basically just stop breathing, or you die of hypoxia

0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:46.280
<v Speaker 1>because you're the heroin overwhelmed your ability to breathe. Basically,

0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:51.359
<v Speaker 1>when you've done too much, when you've done a fatal dose. Wow. Yeah, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a break and we will talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>super interesting history of heroin right after this. Okay, okay, so, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know we've I think everyone sort of knows that

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<v Speaker 1>heroin to sort of big facts about heroin that are

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<v Speaker 1>super interesting that everyone always says is that heroin is

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<v Speaker 1>a brand name or a trade name, and that heroin

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<v Speaker 1>used to be readily prescribed kind of like cocaine was,

0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.480
<v Speaker 1>uh in this case for for pain is a pain medication.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're talking about the opium poppy plant, the pep

0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:58.280
<v Speaker 1>haber somna faron And since ancient Egypt is like at

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<v Speaker 1>least people have been used sing this to treat pain,

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<v Speaker 1>this narcotic to treat pain. Yeah. Well, so if we

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<v Speaker 1>had just held with opium, I mean, it's you know,

0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.480
<v Speaker 1>being an addicted to opium is bad enough, but the

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<v Speaker 1>world would definitely be a much different place if we

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<v Speaker 1>just stayed with opium, just kept it natural, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. But no, no, that's how we do.

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<v Speaker 1>We figure out ways to make things even more robust

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<v Speaker 1>and more amazing. And so I think in uh, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure exactly when, but in the eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely before the eighteen sixties, the German chemical company merk

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<v Speaker 1>Uh isolated morphine from opium, so you didn't need all

0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.639
<v Speaker 1>the other stuff anymore. You just head straight up morphine.

0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.679
<v Speaker 1>And this was good and in one respect, like we

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<v Speaker 1>now had a genuinely powerful anesthetic, analgesic to where when

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<v Speaker 1>somebody was in a great deal of pain, say having

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<v Speaker 1>their leg amputated in a field hospital during the Civil War,

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.359
<v Speaker 1>you could give them morphine and they wouldn't suffer as much.

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<v Speaker 1>So in that respect, it was really good. The problem

0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:08.320
<v Speaker 1>is we didn't understand addiction anywhere near like we do today.

0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.080
<v Speaker 1>And so a lot of those people who got morphine

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<v Speaker 1>when their leg was amputated came back from the war like,

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<v Speaker 1>where can I get some more morphine? I could really

0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:21.280
<v Speaker 1>use some right now, And morphine addiction became really pronounced

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<v Speaker 1>by you know, the eighteen seventies eighteen eighties in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Yeah, And there were a couple of big

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<v Speaker 1>years after this. Big big events happened in eighteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>four and eight. In eighteen seventy four, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>chemist name C. R. Older, right, and he wanted to

0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:44.920
<v Speaker 1>transform morphine into something that wasn't as addictive. So he

0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:49.600
<v Speaker 1>tried this process where he um it was called acetylation,

0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:52.919
<v Speaker 1>where he basically tried to cause it to react with

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<v Speaker 1>an acid to change the composition of it to make

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<v Speaker 1>it less addictive. He created diocetyl morphine, which is heroin,

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<v Speaker 1>and he gave some to his dog, as you do.

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<v Speaker 1>And his dog did not fair too well, did not die,

0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:13.600
<v Speaker 1>but almost did. He stole a stereo later and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, Uh, this stuff is dangerous. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>put it away. I'm gonna publish this paper. No one

0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.360
<v Speaker 1>really paid much attention to this paper until a man

0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:28.399
<v Speaker 1>named Einrich Dresser in for the Bear company, picked up

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.600
<v Speaker 1>this paper and said, let me pick up where he

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.480
<v Speaker 1>left off. Yeah, and he did and he can't he

0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:39.640
<v Speaker 1>He basically recreated that um dia morphine concoction and heroin

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.360
<v Speaker 1>was born. He gave it to some test subjects. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them said that it made him feel heroich. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that how you would say it? Yeah? Hero ish h

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<v Speaker 1>g r O I almost there s h. Yeah. These

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<v Speaker 1>are Germans we're talking about here, so they love the

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<v Speaker 1>sh sound for sure. But but because um, I think

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<v Speaker 1>one thing we left off is not only does heroin

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.200
<v Speaker 1>get you high, it also boost your confidence tremendously as well.

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 1>And that's what that guy was describing. He felt high,

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.159
<v Speaker 1>he felt confident, and he described it as heroic. And

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 1>so that's where the trade name heroin came from. Was

0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:16.960
<v Speaker 1>um from Dresser basically saying, that's that's a great name

0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.880
<v Speaker 1>for this. Uh So I'm gonna call it heroin and

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>we will cure the world's morphine addicts of their morphine addiction.

0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.440
<v Speaker 1>And funny enough, they did. Because everybody's like heroin is

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.399
<v Speaker 1>a great way to treat morphine addiction. The problem is

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 1>is once they kicked morphine, they were super duper addicted

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to heroin and they were even worse off than they

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.440
<v Speaker 1>have been before. Yeah, it's funny the word heroin. It's

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 1>so so commonplace now you don't really think about it

0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 1>being a trade name, but it totally sounds like a

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:47.920
<v Speaker 1>trade name when you think about other drugs at the time,

0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Like it sounds like a modern sort of pharmaceutical and well,

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.879
<v Speaker 1>actually these days those names are just terrible. Like Dr

0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 1>pinkel Whites feel Good oil was next to it on

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the shelf, you know. Yeah, but now like pharmaceutical drug

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 1>names or they all try and work in uh well,

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I guess they did that with heroin because it makes

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 1>you feel heroic, but they try and work in how

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:12.920
<v Speaker 1>great it makes you feel into the name itself, Like, well,

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I should name check anybody. I

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.800
<v Speaker 1>can think of a few on the top of my head. Yeah,

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>And they're like they all have to work the letter

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<v Speaker 1>X in. If X isn't in there, it's not gonna sell.

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>That's like the mantra of the pharmaceutical And it's really

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 1>manipulative when you think about it, it's the dad they

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 1>teach you how to pronounce it to your doctor. So, um,

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 1>they did these human trials of heroin, which were about

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>four weeks long of getting heroin as a patient. If

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you had a cough or a sore throat, you felt

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:48.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty great obviously. Um. Can you imagine just going and

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 1>getting like some heroin laws for a sore throat? Yeah?

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if those still exist anywhere. I'm probably not.

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that everybody took them. I bet you there's, like,

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, buried in some attic drawer somewhere. Somebody's got

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 1>some heroin lossages from back then. So uh, bear said

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the drug is safe. Um, it's non habit forming. Will

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 1>even put that on the label. And here's the downside

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.679
<v Speaker 1>is these analgesic effects last a few hours. So if

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:21.639
<v Speaker 1>you've got if you're sick and you've got a coffin

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>sore throat, Um, you're you're gonna be taking this stuff

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 1>like four or five times a day for a couple

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>of weeks because it makes you feel good every time

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 1>you take it a few hours later it wears off.

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>You take some more, and before you know it you're

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 1>addicted to heroin, right, I mean there's probably no drug

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 1>in the world where you do it just once and

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:46.159
<v Speaker 1>you're automatically physically addicted or dependent on it, right, is

0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:48.160
<v Speaker 1>do people claim that to be true? Oh? Yeah, they

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.440
<v Speaker 1>claimed about acid for goodness sake, like they like, yes,

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.399
<v Speaker 1>they say that about every single drug, Which is the

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 1>problem because if you are a brave soul and you say, well,

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 1>it probably won't happen to me, and I'll see, I'll

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:01.919
<v Speaker 1>see what it's like, and then you try it and

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:03.959
<v Speaker 1>you find you're not addicted, you're like, oh, well they

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>were lying, I'll just go do some more. But if

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 1>you say something like you're probably not going to get

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.440
<v Speaker 1>addicted the first time, but with a drug like heroin

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>in particular, you're really playing with fire every time you

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.520
<v Speaker 1>do it, because you come that much closer to to

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 1>being likely to be addicted to it. Um, I think

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 1>it would make somebody maybe think twice before trying it

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>even that first time, rather than just trying to scare

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 1>them off like, um, you know, no, you're gonna be

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 1>addicted immediately and you're going to kill your parents kind

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>of thing, you know. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally don't don't

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 1>lie to people. So uh, the next decade kind of

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:48.919
<v Speaker 1>comes and goes heroin. It becomes more obvious that it

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 1>was dangerous and that it was addictive. Bear continued selling

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it um until about nineteen thirteen, UM, but as early

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>as nineteen o six that was something called the Council

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<v Speaker 1>of Farm Recy, UH, Pharmacy and Chemistry of the American

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Metal Medical Association, and it had there were warnings saying

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>like hey, heroin can get really addictive. Uh. In nineteen

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>o nine, and this is the full seven years before

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Bear quit selling it um nineteen o six, and then

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen o nine, Uh, there were people the lawmakers

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:25.639
<v Speaker 1>met in Shanghai with some doctors for the International Opian Commission,

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:28.199
<v Speaker 1>which I'm sure it was quite a party. Oh, it

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>was a ranger, and they said that you know what,

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:35.959
<v Speaker 1>opium and all these drugs related to opium are really dangerous.

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 1>They're prone to abuse, and it's up to all of

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 1>you countries to regulate this via the International Opium Convention

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 1>at the Hague in nineteen twelve. But it's up to

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>you how you want to do this in your country. Yeah.

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>It was opium and coca leaves and their derivatives and salts,

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I think is how they put it. And they basically said, there, yeah,

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>there's some real problems coming from these and we need

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to we need to do something about it. Go figure

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>out how to do it. And so the United States said, oh,

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.919
<v Speaker 1>we've got this covered. We're gonna pass the Harrison Narcotics

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Tax Act, which is now these days just called the

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Act, and it basically established the War on drugs

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>as we understand it today. Way back in nur UM,

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>do you remember our CIA dosing LSD Unsuspecting Americans with

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>LSD episode one of the best. Do you remember George White,

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>like the guy who was actually running like the the experiments.

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 1>He was one of those early UM drug agents, narcotics

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 1>agents who was you know, beating up addicts because of

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the Harrison Act basically gave him the permission to um.

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>And one of the things about the Harrison Act that

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>was so insidious, aside from the fact that the the

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>it kind of promoted this whole UM, this air of propaganda,

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 1>like lying to people like, you know, telling people that

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>if you're if your wife tries hero when she's gonna

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>run off with the UM. You know, a black guy

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>or something like like that. Kind of that level of

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 1>propaganda of associating certain groups with certain drugs to scare

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>other people from taking those drugs, just horrific stuff that. Um.

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 1>It also said almost explicitly, addiction is not a disease,

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>So you can no longer use these drugs to help

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>somebody kick these drugs. So doctors started going to prison

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 1>like trying to help people kick heroin by giving them

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>like a heroine regimen to to help them ease off

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 1>of it. You would land in prison for that kind

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 1>of thing, and doctors did get thrown in prison for it. Yeah,

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and Ed made a really good point here, one that

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I had never considered. Um. Something else about the Harrison

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Act is you tend to think of like the old

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>days as being super conservative about things like drug use.

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>But before they were made illegal, the drugs were still there,

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and drug people that were addicted to these drugs were

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 1>still there, but there wasn't the same stigma. They were

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of, I mean, they were outcasts of society, but

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>they weren't criminals yet. They were people that still needed

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>help and that you could rehabilitate. Um And there was

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I think some more compassion even but Harrison that comes along,

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, you're a criminal. Uh, And

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>the only way to get these drugs is and keep

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>doing these drugs that you're addicted to, is by being

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a criminal. And that created almost it almost created the

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>system that we're with today. Uh, this this war on drugs,

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>which is has shown to not work. Right. It definitely did,

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>and that it's there are some reasons why heroin in

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>particular will always be really hard to eradicate and why

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the Harrison Act was kind of wrong headed. It set

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>everything out on the wrong foot. Was this idea that

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>if you can just punish people into not using heroin

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>any longer. Yeah, you can't do that. You can't, And

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>there's some reasons why you can't do that, because as

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 1>long as heroin is around, they're going to be people

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>who become addicted to heroin and who are addicted to heroin.

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>And then if you couple that with the idea that

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>addiction is not a disease, so you should not get

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>any kind of medical treatment for it, and we're actually

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 1>going to arrest doctors who try. Then all you've just

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>done is create like a huge legal and moral quagmire

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>for your society. But that's what it did. But there

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>are some reasons why heroin will probably always stick around,

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and that is, first of all, it's very easy to make, right. Yeah,

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean you're sort of in a I mean it's

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>like with most drugs, you're in a lose lose situation

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to eradicate it because you can't start

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>at the user end that has shown to not work,

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 1>like you said. And in the case of most drugs,

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you can't start at the processing end either, because like

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 1>you said, it's easy to make. Um, it's it's just

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a chemical process at work. It doesn't rek wire super

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>expensive equipment. UM. That's why if you get busted, you

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>can either just ditch your equipment or pack it up

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly and take it with you. Um. It is Uh,

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 1>it's just difficult to disrupt the process of actually making

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 1>the heroine. Yeah. Basically, if you could set up a

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>still for whiskey out in the woods, you could probably

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>make a heroin UM processing operation. The thing is, if

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you're in like the Smoky mountains or something like that,

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>you might set up your heroine processing operation then go, well, wait,

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I need some opium poppies. Those are kind of hard

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>to come by in the Smokies, And you're right, it's

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>very hard to find opium poppies in the United States.

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 1>That's one thing that the United States government and law

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>enforcement has done, has basically eradicated opium producing poppy plants

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 1>from the United States, except on the TV show Ozark.

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>But I haven't gotten to the point yet to be quiet.

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>But really now I haven't. The point is because I

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>ended up going on starting better call Saul, and now

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm super into that got you, um. But the problem

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>with that is that yes we are. We kept it

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>out of the United States. It's not here, but pop

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>poppies grow really well just about everywhere. And as long

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>as you have a country where officials who are supposed

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to be watching whether people are cultivating poppies or not

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>can be bribed um poor people who can be forced

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>into cultivating poppies, or farmers who can be bought off

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>to to cultivate poppies. Poppies are going to grow, and

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>over time they have been eradicated from one place or another,

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 1>but then they just kind of pop up somewhere somewhere

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>else around the world, and that part of the world

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 1>becomes the global supplier of opium for heroin processing. Yeah.

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean for most of the nineteenth century, China was

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the big leader and opium exports along with India. And

0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:00.040
<v Speaker 1>then World War Two comes along the drug train. It

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of shuts down because shipping is just super restricted. Uh.

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Communist Party takes over in China and they said no, no, no,

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.799
<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna We're not gonna do this anymore, and

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>they kind of stopped. It was really effective in China

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 1>isn't a big opium supplier ever since then. But then

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.720
<v Speaker 1>it moved to what's called the Golden Triangle, which is Laos,

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:24.479
<v Speaker 1>Minimar and Thailand UM as well as Golden Crescent, which

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 1>is different parts of the Middle East, but mainly if

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>we're talking opium production, we're talking about Afghanistan. Yeah, And

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 1>when the United States invaded Afghanistan, like one of the

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the sidelines that was doing was destroying opium

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 1>opium fields and I guess it worked for a little while,

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>but not really like we were carrying out drone strikes

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>on UM heroin processing facilities and basically did nothing to

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>disrupt the heroin trade. And then as fewer and fewer

0:34:56.120 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>US troops were in Afghanistan, the heroin just came back.

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Opium poppies came back in, heroin processing came back, and

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>even more than the United States military was effective, the

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Taliban had been more effective before the United States went

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>into Afghanistan. When the Taliban basically ruled Afghanistan, Um, there

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>was very little opium production going on, and it actually

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>increased whether you the United States was there. And then

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>after the United States basically left Afghanistan, when the Taliban

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>came back, they were it was like Taliban free and easy.

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 1>They started looking the other way on opium production and exactly.

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>So that's another thing that's actually used kind of frequently,

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>like where if you are buying heroin, you were probably

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>funding a terrorist group. It sounds ridiculous and made up,

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 1>but it's actually probably true depending on where you are

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>in the world. Um, if you're in the United States,

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 1>you're probably funding a vicious drug cartel because most of

0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the the opium that makes its way as heroin into

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the US comes from Mexico and Colombia, which I didn't

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>right Yeah, and the other of the global heroin supply

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>is coming from Afghanistan right now. But like we said,

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, you you squash it in one area, it's

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:22.279
<v Speaker 1>gonna pop up in another. It's um, it's it's very

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>simple supply and demand, and it's never gonna change. Uh. Ed.

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:30.400
<v Speaker 1>In fact, this is he should totally trademark this line.

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 1>He said, a war on drugs, it's like a war

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>on water when you know what's going to rain tomorrow.

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Did he make that up? I don't know. I've never

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>heard it before. So let's say he really crystallizes it. Yeah,

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 1>it's good writer for sure. Should we uh? Should we

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 1>take our final break here? You betch all right, We'll

0:36:50.600 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>be back with more heroin. Right after this, you mentioned

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:26.280
<v Speaker 1>World War two, Chuck um, and that almost entirely shut

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>down because shipping was so restricted during World War Two.

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Everybody was watching every ship, not just the United States,

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 1>watching stuff that was coming into the country. People were

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 1>watching it going from one place to another. It might

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>get torpedo. It was just really tough to smuggle things

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>during World World War Two. And I read that the

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 1>same thing is going on now because of the coronavirus pandemic,

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 1>because of things like shelter and place orders um or

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>restricted travel, that it's way way harder to smuggle or

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>even just ghost gore Um. Then it was before the pandemic,

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and as a result, they think a heroin drought is

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 1>is coming on or has already started, and so prices

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>are going to rise, and probably more and more people

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 1>who were addicted to heroin before the pandemic will come

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 1>out of the pandemic not not addicted to heroin anymore,

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 1>but like they gave meth a try, and now they're

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>really into that. Have you ever heard the old kamal

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>anjiohnny bit about the Heroin plus Thailand all cold medicine. Yeah,

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>refreshed my memory. It's been a while. Well that was

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:35.319
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. I think it has a name like

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 1>a designer drug or whatever, which was basically heroin and

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Thailand all cold medicine mixed. And he just says this.

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 1>It was pretty early in his comedy career when he

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>was just doing stand up. But he just has a

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>very funny bit about the fact that he you know,

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>you're already doing heroin, you're all and then then his

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 1>voice and everything is just so perfect, You're already doing Heroin. Yeah.

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I love that guy. He's one of my favorite people

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.399
<v Speaker 1>on the planet. He's great he's a big movie star now.

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:05.879
<v Speaker 1>He is. Good for him. I'm glad for him. He's

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 1>he's a good dude. He did our one of our

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:12.280
<v Speaker 1>variety shows at that time. He did killed It. Everybody

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>killed it that night if I remember correctly. Yeah, that

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:16.359
<v Speaker 1>was a really good show. That was a lot of fun.

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Josh Bierman and Nick Thune. Maybe Nick Thune performed, Uh

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>so did um Hampton youwt did some killer stand up,

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:31.120
<v Speaker 1>that's right, Gianni. And we had Nate Demo did a

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>little Memory Palace Live too. Yep. And um, what was

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the UCB group? I want to say Raw High, but

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:45.720
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't raw Hide, it wasn't Comanche. Oh Convoy Convoy.

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Did we have all of them on one stage? Yes, dude,

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 1>one night. Yeah, that was a great show. That was

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:54.799
<v Speaker 1>a great show. They didn't even need us. We were

0:39:54.840 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 1>barely there. We launched a million careers that night. Um,

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>all right. So we were talking about supply and demand.

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 1>That is always going to be a problem with the

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 1>war on drugs because, like you said that, you can't

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 1>arrest people into not wanting to do drugs. This just

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 1>proven to not be a deterrent when people want to

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>do drugs. They're gonna find them and they're gonna do them. Um,

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 1>the supply is hard to eradicate because of all the

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 1>things we mentioned. You can't wipe out all the If

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the demand is there, then they're going to find places

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>where the government is bribable or weak enough to plant

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 1>those poppy fields. And as long as there are desperate

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:40.839
<v Speaker 1>people and poor people or people that are addicts, then

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>there will be drug mules and people that are willing

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 1>to either willing to smuggle the drugs or a cartel

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 1>who will hold your family hostage to force you to

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 1>smuggle those drugs. Can you imagine that being your reality today?

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Like right now, man, Like you're running across like a

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>desert right now with a bunch of heroin on you

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:03.359
<v Speaker 1>because your wife is being held hostage, your wife and kid.

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Like that's happening to you right this second. That happens

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:11.799
<v Speaker 1>to people sometimes, like it's so rare, and especially here

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>like in the United States, it's just like such a

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 1>remote worry that there's no reason to lose any sleep

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 1>over it for you, But don't forget about the person

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that that's actually happening to right now, And like how

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 1>what what? What? They must be thinking during that run

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.359
<v Speaker 1>across the desert, like how stressed out are they? Like?

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 1>What are what's going through their head? I just I

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:36.359
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine what it would be like to actually be

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 1>in that situation. Like when I imagine it, I imagine

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 1>it as you do, like experience a movie. It's remote,

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>it's it's fictitious, it's it's um fantasy. These are characters.

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 1>But when when I can just get my brain just right,

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit of it floods in and it's

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:59.919
<v Speaker 1>just overwhelming. How nuts and horrific that without experience would be. Yeah,

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's something that uh well, I mean,

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I think if you're if you have a problem with

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>drug addiction, you're not considering a lot of things, but

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>certainly one thing that's probably the last thing you're considering

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.960
<v Speaker 1>is how it got to you, how it got to

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>your dealer, and the devastation that it has wreaked along

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the way, you know, Right, Yeah, that's a that's absolutely true.

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that's an excellent point for people to remember.

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 1>So Ed wrapped up this research with the something I'd

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 1>never really thought about about marijuana being a gateway drug. Um,

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about that, and a lot of people scoff

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 1>at that notion, but he makes a case here that

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of makes sense that the system with marijuana in

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen forties and fifties, especially in the in urban areas,

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and with with jazz clubs and jazz musicians, it kind

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 1>of set up a system where heroin could find a

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty easy entry point. Yeah, because it was coming in

0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:01.440
<v Speaker 1>largely from in the beginning of the twentieth century up

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.720
<v Speaker 1>to the first uh well, I guess the forties and fifties.

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 1>So at the beginning of the twentieth century it was

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 1>interrupted by World War Two, and then it came back

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>with a vengeance in the forties and fifties, and it

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>was being imported largely by um Asian people who didn't

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:19.879
<v Speaker 1>know people outside of their community. So they figured out

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 1>how to connect with the jazz musicians who already had

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 1>pot friends, and the jazz musicians started turning their pop

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 1>friends on yeah, on onto heroin. And part of the

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.479
<v Speaker 1>reason why heroin was able to kind of make such

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>entree into American culture, especially through this route, was that

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 1>all these people were not they weren't drug naive, they'd

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>used pot before, they smoke pot all the time. They

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.760
<v Speaker 1>knew for a fact that it wasn't addictive, it didn't

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 1>turn you into a fiend like had been depicted hysterically

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:55.279
<v Speaker 1>in this government propaganda against pot. And so all of

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 1>the warnings against heroin were probably just as full of

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 1>hot air too, and it just turns out that they

0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 1>happened to be wrong this time. Yeah, and I mean,

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, the jazz scene was rife with heroin abuse. Uh,

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Miles Davis and Charlie Parker and Ray Charles. Yeah, Ray

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Charles totally. It's kind of jazz. But yeah, he counts.

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember when Philip Seymour Hoffman Um, when he died

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>of a fatal overdose. I know they tried to pin

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 1>it on um a jazz guy is his dealer. Oh

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 1>really Yeah, super kind of throwback thing. But even still

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.399
<v Speaker 1>today they're like, yeah, jazz people can't be trusted. They

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 1>love heroin. Billie Holliday was fully addicted to heroin. It

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 1>was it was all over the jazz community. Yeah, because again,

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 1>so this is one of those things where you try once,

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 1>try twice, and all of a sudden you're doing it

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot more and you have to do more and

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:52.279
<v Speaker 1>more and more. And if it's all around you and

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:55.240
<v Speaker 1>everybody seems to be having a good time despite puking

0:44:55.239 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 1>their guts out first, um, you might give it a try. Uh,

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 1>that's just super interesting. The idea that that pot was

0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 1>connected as like this this gateway for America to heroin,

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 1>because there's just such worlds apart Yeah and alcohol. I mean,

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>if you look at the history of jazz, heroin and

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:18.760
<v Speaker 1>cirrhosis are like two of the biggest factors and true

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>killing off jazz musicians, true dad interesting. One thing we

0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 1>didn't really touch on, well two things. One that the

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 1>epidemic of fentanyl laced heroin, which apparently if you're buying

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 1>that on purpose it might be sold to you is

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:39.840
<v Speaker 1>magic or budd ice o God. But fentanyl is about

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 1>fifty times stronger than heroin, so the fatal dose is

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:48.719
<v Speaker 1>much much much lower. It takes way less to kill you.

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.840
<v Speaker 1>But if you don't know that you're buying fentinyl laced heroine,

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 1>you're doing your regular dose of heroin, that fentinyl can

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 1>very easily kill you. And that happens a lot. It's

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 1>happening more and more. Uh, no idea, who's doing it?

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>They think it might be coming from China, but who

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.239
<v Speaker 1>knows what the deal is with that. But that's one

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 1>big problem with heroin addiction is you might overdose. The

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>likelihood of you overdosing with the introduction of fentanyl is

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>way higher than it was before. I think the whole

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>thing really started to pick up steam about two thousand thirteen.

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 1>And then the whole reason there's a heroin epidemic right

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>now in the United States, Chuck, is because the a

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 1>few pharma companies got America and a large part of

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the world hooked on opioid painkillers like oxyconton, and the

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>government said, well, this is a real problem. We need

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to get everybody off of opioids. So um Perdue Pharma,

0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 1>you need to make this OxyContin impossible to inject or

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>snort or whatever. And they did. They made oxyconton so

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 1>that when you crushed it, it turned into a gel

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that you couldn't do anything with. Um and nobody could

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 1>get high off boxy cotony more. You couldn't find. It

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 1>was too expensive. It was just impossible to get. But

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 1>heroin suddenly made a huge appearance and it was cheaper.

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.800
<v Speaker 1>It did the trick. You could find it just about everywhere,

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and now, all of a sudden, combined with the two

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight recession and all of the despair that

0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 1>that generated, there's a heroin epidemic in the United States

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.839
<v Speaker 1>that's still raging and going strong. And we have a

0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of those pharmaceutical companies and the the agencies that

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 1>are supposed to regulate them more closely to to blame

0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:33.920
<v Speaker 1>for that. Yeah. I remember in college there was a

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 1>one year and it was probably don't even a year,

0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 1>but like one season where heroin kind of came through

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:44.320
<v Speaker 1>town and in my crowd, like not my close friends,

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 1>none of them did it, but I knew. I knew

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:50.520
<v Speaker 1>a person through a person who had, you know, known

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 1>like very loosely socially that she o'deed and died from

0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 1>heroin during this like several month period. But I just

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 1>remember it was being talked about a lot, and it

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 1>was just around and people were doing it, and uh,

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 1>it never invaded my inner circle. But I just remember

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 1>that it was a kind of a scary time in

0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 1>college when it kind of blew through and then kind

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of blew back out again. It wasn't like a I mean,

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there were always people that we're doing Heroin

0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 1>at some point in Athens. But it was like a

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:21.880
<v Speaker 1>thing for a little while. Yeah, no, it was. It

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>was always very hard to find it just basically non existent.

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Um when I get the feeling, yeah, you know. And

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 1>then it started to really pick up steam in like

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the mid two thousand aughts. I think, yeah, it's weird,

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that's yeah. Heroin is a demon, Chuck, it

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:43.239
<v Speaker 1>is a demon. And this girl was she was looking back,

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>probably twenty two years old. What a waste man. Yeah,

0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 1>that's sad. Um, Well that's Heroin. Everybody, don't do it.

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Don't do it. Just don't just go your whole life

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:57.879
<v Speaker 1>saying I've never done Heroin. Not I'm all good. You're

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>not missing out on that much, Okay, okay. Uh. And

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 1>since I said that, it's time for listener mail. This

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 1>is about We heard a lot about peanut butter, that

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:12.840
<v Speaker 1>has proven to be quite a popular and somewhat divisive

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>podcast episode. Uh. We did hear from most people that said, yeah,

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:20.399
<v Speaker 1>outside of America, a lot of people think peanut butter

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:23.040
<v Speaker 1>is weird. We did hear from a few people in

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:25.760
<v Speaker 1>England and elsewhere they were like, what are you talking about?

0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Josh I love peanut butter like two people. Yeah, it

0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 1>felt fairly anecdotal, but this is about neither of those.

0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:42.360
<v Speaker 1>So this is from Daniel Volts in Louisville. Did you say, Danielson? Hey, guys,

0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 1>been listening for years, so all the great podcasts are

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:47.800
<v Speaker 1>recently recently listen to peanut Butter and was greatly entertained

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:50.680
<v Speaker 1>as a lifelong peanut butter lover. Jeff is my brand

0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>of choice. Even convinced me to try peanut butter mayo sandwich,

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:56.799
<v Speaker 1>which was okay, definitely to put more mayo on there

0:49:56.840 --> 0:50:00.279
<v Speaker 1>next time. Yes you do. We heard from some butter

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:03.320
<v Speaker 1>mayonnaise people who tried it, and we're like, man, I

0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't really like it, or I didn't get it so right.

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just me. While listening, I couldn't help but

0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:11.799
<v Speaker 1>think of the color blindness podcast you did, and how

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:15.040
<v Speaker 1>cool it was to hear something uh be explained to

0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:18.319
<v Speaker 1>me because frankly, nobody ever cared to do so, and

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:20.400
<v Speaker 1>as much as I love to learn, it never crossed

0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.360
<v Speaker 1>my mind to learn about it. You may be wondering

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:25.240
<v Speaker 1>why I show about peanut butter triggered color blindness. Turns

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:27.360
<v Speaker 1>out the rest of the world thinks peanut butter is brown.

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I cannot imagine opening a jar of delicious green peanut

0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:36.919
<v Speaker 1>butter and seeing a nasty brown substance, uh, resembling something

0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to think about eating sometimes. Somehow I

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 1>thought this for eighteen years for anyone knew the true

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 1>color of peanut butter was green before anyone told him that.

0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I still get teased about thinking peanut butter as green,

0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:53.240
<v Speaker 1>but to me, it's as green as green gets. Reality

0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:55.920
<v Speaker 1>really is just perception. It's amazing to me that the

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.240
<v Speaker 1>world can be seen so differently through every single person's eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Who know is how many different colors of peanut butter

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<v Speaker 1>there are out there. Thanks for the show, guys, you

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:09.279
<v Speaker 1>keep my days interesting and entertaining. H p S. Your

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<v Speaker 1>marathon podcast help me uh know what to expect from

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<v Speaker 1>my first marathon and scared me to death, but I

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 1>did finish without the unfortunate issues that some people go

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<v Speaker 1>through during a race. Congratulations and that is Daniel Volts

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<v Speaker 1>from Louisville, Kentucky. Nice work, Daniel, Um, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about green peanut butter. I don't. I think the weird

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:34.439
<v Speaker 1>orangey brown it is normally is my preference for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>a K A peanut colored right. Well, if you want

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