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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty arm Strong and Jettie and no

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Speaker 2: Gee Armstrong, Gaudy Strong. We are not here. We are

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Speaker 2: going to play Armstrong in Geddy Leftovers. Here.

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Speaker 1: On the last day of twenty twenty five, I had

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Speaker 1: a serious talk with my liver. It's time for you

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Speaker 1: to step up your game. I said, all right, this

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Speaker 1: is the test tonight. Let's get after Actually.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably just have a quiet evening with my wife.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, you should have a great New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna watch Dick Clark's rock in New Year's

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Speaker 2: Eve with Ryan Seacres.

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Speaker 1: I almost never ever do. I'm all over it, glass wine,

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Speaker 1: crackling fire, Sir.

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Speaker 2: I need to see for myself drop with Lady Gaga

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Speaker 2: and other celebrities. I'll show you some dropping.

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Speaker 1: Hey what now, come on, let's let's get back to

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Speaker 1: the Armstrong hit Getty replay. So Katie brought to a

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Speaker 1: brief verse of a story from a high school not

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Speaker 1: far from the radio ranch. In fact, when I used

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Speaker 1: to drive past over and over and over again. Why

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Speaker 1: don't you go ahead and hit us with basics, Katie,

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Speaker 1: and then I'll fill you in on what's happening now well.

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Speaker 3: A student led conservative club at twelve Bridges High School

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Speaker 3: in Lincoln, California is facing some controversy, with some students

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Speaker 3: accusing it of spreading hate and others defending it as

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Speaker 3: a platform for civil dialogue. They just had a meeting

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Speaker 3: this week where there were sixty speakers addressing the issue.

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Speaker 3: Some associates said that the club, which is associated with

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Speaker 3: Turning Point USA, foster's division and hate among students, while

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Speaker 3: others emphasize the importance of civil dialogue and healthy disagreement.

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Speaker 3: One member of the club said, since our first meeting,

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Speaker 3: my friends and I have been verbally harassed, both in

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Speaker 3: person and online, and it's extremely discouraging, especially since we

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Speaker 3: have felt unsafe all with the threats that have also

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Speaker 3: been made towards us.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a student who created a petition that

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Speaker 1: the club should be removed from campus said it as

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Speaker 1: over three hundred signatures. Free speech is allowed to everybody,

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Speaker 1: says this student, but that does not cover hate speech.

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Speaker 1: We respect everybody where you respect the officers, but we

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Speaker 1: wish that we had respect for our families and for

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Speaker 1: our identities. Okay, this is a beautiful example of a

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Speaker 1: couple of things. Number One, the Heckler's veto. In effect,

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Speaker 1: that group fosters a division in the school. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: the division is they have a right to be there,

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Speaker 1: but you don't like it. That's a you problem, that's

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Speaker 1: not a them problem. Little snowflakes. And I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to use anybody's names in this because at the oldest

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Speaker 1: they're probably eighteen, and certainly I'd much much rather discuss

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Speaker 1: principles with people. I don't need to bring any inconvenience

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Speaker 1: or harassment down on any actually young human beings. This

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Speaker 1: is an example of people on the left accepting the

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Speaker 1: worst narratives they've heard about a perfectly legitimate group, then

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Speaker 1: claiming without evidence that they are horrible people that they

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Speaker 1: are engaged in, for instance, hate speech. I do not

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Speaker 1: see the evidence that any of these kids on campus

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Speaker 1: engaged in any hate speech, or indeed that any reasonable

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Speaker 1: person would think turning point USA does. The problem is

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Speaker 1: on the left, you label everything you don't like as

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Speaker 1: hate speech.

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Speaker 2: Right, their metric for what's hate speech is different for

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Speaker 2: left obs yeah, obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like if you want to take something over,

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Speaker 1: you call it racist until you are in charge of it,

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Speaker 1: because everybody backs down.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've seen, well the examples of the last couple

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Speaker 2: sea all day long, and nobody calls that hate speech.

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Speaker 1: Right right, which it clearly is. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tie this to the murder of Jews

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Speaker 1: in just a minute. But the mayor of Beautiful Lincoln, California,

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Speaker 1: was the inaugural speaker at the club's first meeting. She

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Speaker 1: became a focal point of the discussion after an edited

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Speaker 1: video of hers speaking to the students circulated online carefully

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Speaker 2: And how it was.

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Speaker 1: I've heard criticism suggesting that public schools are not appropriate

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Speaker 1: places to discuss certain topics, which is hilarious in California,

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Speaker 1: where they're required to incorporate radical gender theory into like

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Speaker 1: But she points out this was a voluntary student led

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Speaker 1: club that had followed absolutely every single rule of the

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Speaker 1: fit the school allows non academic clubs LGBTQ clubs for

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Speaker 1: black students, Hispanic students, whatever, but conservative students is absolutely

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Speaker 1: not acceptable. According to the loud little self righteous snowflakes,

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Speaker 1: and she talks about her presentation, These students were largely respectful.

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Speaker 1: My message focused on faith, understanding what you believe in,

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Speaker 1: why you believe it, having the courage to stand by

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Speaker 1: your convictions, and recognizing that differences in belief or opinion do.

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Speaker 2: Not equate to hatred. Well, you gotta shut that down, surely.

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Speaker 1: During the Q and A portion, protesting students were given

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Speaker 1: the first opportunity to ask questions and in fact dominated

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Speaker 1: the discussion. That is so typical they went there to

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Speaker 1: questions centered on statements attributed to Charlie Kirk or Turning

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Speaker 1: Point USA. I repeatedly clarified that I was not giving

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Speaker 1: my own personal views to those questions, but rather responding

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Speaker 1: to questions about what mister kirk kid publicly stated, while

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Speaker 1: encouraging students to seek full context and make up their minds.

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Speaker 1: After the meeting, I learned that a student had recorded

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Speaker 1: me without authorization and later told classmates he intended to

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Speaker 1: use the video quote to take me down. The video

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Speaker 1: which is a shameless former newspaper. It was heavily edited

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Speaker 1: my intent and character. You know, I got to I

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Speaker 1: got to tip my cap to California schools. You are

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Speaker 1: teaching the kids, well, they have really learned the art

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Speaker 1: of crushing free speech, of demonizing anybody who disagrees with

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Speaker 2: They learned. I understand how young people come to this

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Speaker 2: idea that this might be a good thing. One of

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Speaker 2: my intellectual heroes, Christopher Hitchins, used to tell the story

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Speaker 2: about how when he was at Oxford and he was

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Speaker 2: down a conservative speaker they didn't like. They somehow got

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Speaker 2: like that, and they just thought that was fantastic. But

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Speaker 2: when he got older, he realized that's the exact opposite

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Speaker 2: of what we should do, and decried that the rest

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Speaker 2: of his life. You beat their idea with your ideas.

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Speaker 2: The Heckler's veto is the worst thing that we can have.

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Speaker 2: We got to have free speech, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So I can understand how kids could come to that idea.

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Speaker 2: The fact that adults go.

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Speaker 1: Along with it is amazing, right right, And she gives

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Speaker 1: several more examples of just brutal editing and context clearing,

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely outrageous and ugly.

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Speaker 1: And vicious, and it's so out of the same catalog

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Speaker 1: of demonizing Jews and making up, you know, various blood

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Speaker 1: libels and ridiculous stories and preaching hatred toward them without

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Speaker 1: having a good conversation, without asking, Hey, what's this?

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Speaker 2: Is it true? What's your point of view on this?

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Speaker 1: It's the viciousness of the mob, the angry mob going

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Speaker 1: after conservative students. It's the opposite of education, it's the

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Speaker 1: opposite of the exchange of ideas. It's a horror that

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Speaker 1: any school would permit it to happen like this. You

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Speaker 1: need to step in right now twelve Bridges High School

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Speaker 1: in Lincoln, California, and teach the kids what the free exchange.

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Speaker 2: Of ideas is about. That's what you're there for. And

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Speaker 2: be very very very careful what you call hate speech.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the kids at this club have been harassed,

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Speaker 2: threatened online docs through fake accounts, and targeted simply for

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Speaker 2: participating a lawful student club. Students have the right to protest,

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Speaker 2: they do not have the right to intimidate or harass others.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln School District, how hard are you working to figure

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Speaker 1: out who is docsing and harassing kids?

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Speaker 2: That's brutal.

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Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent certain you have an anti online

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Speaker 1: bullying protocol.

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Speaker 2: Of course, do you enforce it now? Get started now? Well,

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Speaker 2: imagine if somebody who was harassing a trains kid on

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Speaker 2: that be a completely different story.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what the left is a mob of angry monsters.

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Speaker 1: Oh you don't think that's true. I would take a

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Speaker 1: look at the angry monsters amongst you and tell them, hey,

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Speaker 1: that's not cool. It's not in my power to stop

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Speaker 1: leftists from being angry mobsters. You know, the angry members

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Speaker 1: of a mob, but it.

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Speaker 2: Is in yours. Maybe you get started again Today would

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Speaker 1: Hey. One more note on the Lincoln story. This the

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Speaker 1: mayor of Lincoln who spoke to the group. She talked

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Speaker 1: to Sacramento Bee reporter Jenna Pendleton, who is an adult,

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Speaker 1: They asked her, why would Charlie Kirk say this? And

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Speaker 1: She clarified that context to the Bee reporter. That clarification

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why people haven't figured this out. If

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Speaker 2: you overreach, it does you more harm than good. If

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Speaker 2: be able to do them in with their actual words.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to like leave stuff out or take

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Speaker 2: like the BBC editing that documentary about Trump Ifa. Trump's

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Speaker 2: as bad as you say, isn't He's pretty crazy? Just

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Speaker 2: use his own stuff. You don't need to edit it

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Speaker 2: in such a way that it's completely a lie, right right,

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Speaker 2: everybody Overreaches or somewhere going sure is a.

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Speaker 1: Deep, deep blue town no matter how red your town is.

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Speaker 2: Within your town, it's your life. Local schools man, No kidding,

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Speaker 2: that's worth thinking about it. Jack Armstrong and Joe Armstrong

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Speaker 4: And finally, a bronx man recently threatened to blow up

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Speaker 4: the Department of Motor Vehicles after he was told he

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Speaker 2: That's a good joke. Having spent two hours of the

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Speaker 2: DMV yesterday, I spent two hours of the MVS today.

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Speaker 2: That's with an appointment. But but I tweeted out, and

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Speaker 2: I've wondered this since I was young. Why are all

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Speaker 2: life's losers hanging out at the DMV? Where are the

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Speaker 2: regular people? There are no regular people the DMV. It's

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Speaker 2: almost entirely losers, like in line there and stuff. You

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Speaker 2: hanging out, yes, sitting you line evers like with me.

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Speaker 2: It's got a bit of a Homer Simpson. Why are

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Speaker 2: the things that happened to stupid people keep happening to me,

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Speaker 2: but you don't look around and see any buddy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I thought this when I was twenty five, so this

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Speaker 2: isn't like me now. I've always thought this. It's like,

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Speaker 2: very well, every car parked in the parking lot is

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Speaker 2: like Dennett and missing hubcaps and got you know, a

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Speaker 2: We got fifty dollars from mister soup, sandals, swimsuit. You

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Speaker 1: And I want to repeat this every time we bring

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's not like it's the first time he

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Speaker 1: said anything completely unhinged.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, yeah, yeah. You combine with the fact that

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Speaker 2: when somebody is brutally murdered if you didn't like their politics,

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Speaker 2: you cheer. Not everybody, not most people, not you know,

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Speaker 2: a tiny minority, but enough people for it to be disturbing,

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Speaker 2: combined with the things that all our politicians say. No,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't even hardly ring the bell, but it is

445
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Speaker 2: something from a president of the United States. Rob Reiner

446
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Speaker 2: and his wife were passed away in their home. Passed

447
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Speaker 2: away as an interesting phrase for people that were stabbed

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Speaker 2: it up, reportedly due to the anger he caused others

449
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Speaker 2: through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind

450
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Speaker 2: crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome. So he believes

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Speaker 2: somebody so angered by Rob Reiner's views of Trump came

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Speaker 2: in and killed him.

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Speaker 1: Or he saw that on somebody's social media account and

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Speaker 1: went with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it had nothing to do with it actually, just

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Speaker 2: for the record, even if it had been specifically somebody

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Speaker 2: what you're blaming, condemning it, yeah, wholeheartedly. Yeah, Okay, that's

458
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Speaker 2: just where we are. I don't know what to do

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Speaker 2: about it. Let the pendulum swing back, or maybe it

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Speaker 2: won't have her hard to say. The Armstrong and Getty Show, Georgia, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Who Podcasts and Our Hot Lakes.

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Speaker 5: Pantone announced that their color of the Year is cloud Dancer,

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Speaker 5: which they call a billowy, balanced white imbued with a

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Speaker 5: feeling of serenity, a description they stole from my old

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Speaker 5: bumble profile.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a funny Joe. Plus the fact

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Speaker 2: that there's a color of the year, the whole as

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Speaker 2: a person involved in a remodel of a home. At

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Speaker 2: this point, I'll tell you the whole hot color thing

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Speaker 2: is annoying. Here's a little pro tip for you. Unless

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Speaker 2: you're willing to.

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Speaker 1: Have your house repainted every couple of years, if you

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Speaker 1: go with the hot color, it will be the oh

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Speaker 1: my god, that color is so out color before you

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Speaker 1: know it. Yeah, like in the blink of an eye. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So beware, beware coming up. I don't know, next hour,

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Speaker 1: maybe tomorrow, I can't remember. It doesn't matter. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to it eventually. But I want to retell to you

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Speaker 1: one of the oldest stories that you've heard, a time

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Speaker 1: honored story, a story you've heard over and over again.

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Speaker 1: In that time, Caesar Augustus ordered that woke cities should

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Speaker 1: try rent control.

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Speaker 2: See what happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, Minneapolis and Saint Paul, Minnesota have taken opposite approaches

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Speaker 1: to rent control, and you will be completely unshocked by

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Speaker 1: the outcome of that little experiment right there on either side.

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Speaker 2: Of a river. For some reason, it never occurred to

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Speaker 2: me before, but Saint Paul is obviously named after Saint

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Speaker 2: Paul Saul of Tarsus. Yes, really pretty much the spreader

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Speaker 2: of the entire Christian thing. Saint Paul of all places,

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Speaker 2: about as woke a town as you could come up with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but not as woke as their big brother Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: Jack as we learn anyway, So I thought this was interesting,

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Speaker 1: the question of rage baiting, which is intentionally posting something

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Speaker 1: to social media that you know, will anger people.

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Speaker 2: What was the one last week? It was a joke

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Speaker 2: that we used a couple of times. It is about

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Speaker 2: Christmas or Santa. It was a rage bait thing. It

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Speaker 2: was very very funny. Yeah, yeah, just jump in when

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Speaker 2: it does. You're right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I remember it was saying like something like posting

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Speaker 3: I hate Santa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something about just yeah, just to make people mad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beyond like a strong opinion. It's intentionally trying

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Speaker 1: to anger people. And interestingly enough, that was the word

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Speaker 1: of the year by the Oxford University Press. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what their color of the year was, but

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Speaker 1: their word or term of the year was rage bait.

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Speaker 1: And you know, at first, Blush is a human being.

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Speaker 1: You might think that it's not a great idea to

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Speaker 1: post content that antagonizes people, right, I mean imagine that's

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Speaker 1: how you behaved it like cocktail parties Christmas gatherings. But

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Speaker 1: people who post content on social media make more money

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Speaker 1: if their channel has high levels of engagement, regardless of

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Speaker 1: how positively people might be responding. And in addition, they're

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Speaker 1: writing in this piece. Social media platforms use algorithms that

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Speaker 1: tailor the content we see to what we are likely

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Speaker 1: to engage with, whether positively or negatively.

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Speaker 2: And so that doesn't necessarily mean they feed us content

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Speaker 2: that make.

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Speaker 1: Us happy, just to any engagement, including angry comments we

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Speaker 1: might post in response, because they make more money that way,

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Speaker 1: which is really insidious.

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Speaker 2: Way, Sure, we got to fix this. We cannot survive

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Speaker 2: this if we don't fix.

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Speaker 1: It right right, But this article, interestingly, is from the

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Speaker 1: point of view of psychologists. Things you can do to

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Speaker 1: help control your reaction to this sort of content. But

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Speaker 1: first you have to understand why rage bait is so effective.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny. This is kind of a variation on

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Speaker 1: something we've been talking about for years and years about

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Speaker 1: how nobody's ever tuned out from your in danger or

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Speaker 1: that's the number one way, or this will make you angry.

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Speaker 1: Provocative posts can result in the higher number of clips.

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Speaker 1: This may be a result of negativity bias, where negative

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Speaker 1: emotions such as anger spread more quickly and intensely through

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Speaker 1: social networks. Okay, we've seen that, But in evolutionary terms,

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Speaker 1: it's more important for us to pay attention to situation

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Speaker 1: that has caused anger to our group than to a

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Speaker 1: situation that has created happiness.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Anger suggests that action needs to be taken to resolve

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Speaker 1: an issue, whereas happiness suggests that everything is okay. There

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Speaker 1: is no evolutionary need to respond urgently to everything is okay, obviously.

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Speaker 2: In other words, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that's obvious.

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Speaker 2: But it helps with why you get this way or

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Speaker 2: I get this way. Yeah, it's a protective mechanism.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So let's see, we're probably looking for social information.

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Speaker 2: I am better than I was even a couple of

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Speaker 2: months ago at recognizing when I see something on our

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Speaker 2: text line or Twitter feed or whatever is like, okay,

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Speaker 2: you're just trying to I see what you're trying to do, yeah, troll. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So we're primed to look for social information, obviously. And

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Speaker 1: you know, another variation on the thing we've talked about

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Speaker 1: a lot in the past, the groups we belonged to

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Speaker 1: were typically local to where we lived, friends, neighbors, colleagues.

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Speaker 1: But growth social media means we can now connect with

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Speaker 1: people from.

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Speaker 2: All over the world. That's another object. Time to play

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Speaker 2: the Pga O'Rourke quote, what a giant change in my lifetime?

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Speaker 2: How many a holes were you exposed to pre Internet

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Speaker 2: in your in your in your social circuit, or your life.

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Speaker 2: A handfuls them all and you could name them all

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Speaker 2: and you ignored them or stayed away from them, as

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Speaker 2: opposed to every a hole on earth now.

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Speaker 1: Right, So that means they're far more groups we can

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Speaker 1: be part of and in turn roots through which people

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Speaker 1: can anger us. Research has also found that people can

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Speaker 1: be quick to align their views with others on anything that.

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Speaker 2: Prompts a negative emotion. We've mentioned years and years ago.

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Speaker 1: People bond more quickly over what they don't like than

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Speaker 1: over what they like, or what they bond over.

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Speaker 2: What they hate. That's why, you know, talk radio complaining

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Speaker 2: about stuff you know tends to do better than happy,

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Speaker 2: happy joy joy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's true to some extent, although a

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Speaker 1: lot of the things we talk about, I mean, where

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Speaker 1: are you gonna find the happy, happy joy joy in politics.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Barnes, that's a reason to not talk about

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Speaker 2: politics at all.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I hear that. Let's see. The other problem

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Speaker 1: is we can post content or comments immediately get a

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Speaker 1: reply twenty four hours a day, none stop. Typically, we

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Speaker 1: used to have breaks from anything or anyone that caused

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Speaker 1: us a feeling of rage. It would be extremely rare

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Speaker 1: unless you live, you know, in a dysfunctional family or

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Speaker 1: dysfunctional workplace or something like that. But anyway, so knowing

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Speaker 1: that many of the posts are posted solely to drive

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Speaker 1: engagement helps us reclaim our power over these interactions. A

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty study show that giving people an understanding of

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Speaker 1: manipulation techniques in the medium powered them to resist those techniques.

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Speaker 2: Well, like the story you always tell one of your

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Speaker 2: kids saying, haters gonna hate that the younger first time

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Speaker 2: I heard that phrase. Yeah, younger generation has picked up

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Speaker 2: on this faster than us older people, because, you know,

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Speaker 2: for all the reasons you just stated, we didn't grow

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Speaker 2: up around non stop haters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, maybe the simplified version of this is

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Speaker 1: you look at stuff like that and say, oh, they're

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Speaker 1: desperate for attention and they're trying to bake me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so sorry. I was trying to explain that to

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Speaker 2: my son. He's got a problem with an individual and

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Speaker 2: their personality who they need. Every time you explain to

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Speaker 2: me what this person does and says, they're just trying

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Speaker 2: to get a reaction out of you, or they don't

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Speaker 2: get any attention at home or something that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're just wanting attention. It just you know, them saying

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Speaker 2: they hate what you like is an attempt to, you know,

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Speaker 2: get some sort of attention reaction out of you. And

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Speaker 2: that's just who they are. Yeah, and it's hard for

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Speaker 2: him to digest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I don't even know how I

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Speaker 1: developed this, even as like a teenager, I realized the

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Speaker 1: value of somebody says something like that to you. If

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Speaker 1: you can just fix them with the dead eyes and

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Speaker 1: show a complete lack of reaction the dead eye, that's

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Speaker 1: like it's like a superpower.

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Speaker 2: Dead eyes.

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Speaker 1: Because people are trying to get power over you, right sure,

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Speaker 1: to provoke you, to get you on the hook. And

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Speaker 1: if you can give them the I heard everything you said,

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Speaker 1: and you're getting nothing out of me. Ah please, they

623
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Speaker 1: wither like it violet and winter or something.

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Speaker 2: I got. I don't give a metaphor. Yeah, something withery anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, give them the dead eyes.

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Speaker 2: I've gotten the dead eyes before.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Michael, you have. You've earned them. I'm not amused

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Speaker 1: by you. I'm not angered by you. I'm not provoked

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Speaker 1: by you. I'm bored by you.

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Speaker 2: That's what the dead end. I'm bored by you. That's

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Speaker 2: a good one. Yeah, armstrong, Andy, I'm strong and strong

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Speaker 2: and