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Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Right with Nick right as promised a

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Speaker 1: special bonus episode one of our now very few two

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Speaker 1: time guests, our Boxing and Gambling and Poker correspondent. But

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Speaker 1: in this episode we are going to focus exclusively on

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Speaker 1: the boxing piece of it for and tell me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, not just fight of the year, but arguably

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Speaker 1: the fight of the decade the last few years. At

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Speaker 1: the very least, it is Poker Hall of Famer and

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Speaker 1: for my money, the sharpest of the boxing sharps Nick Shulman, Nick,

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Speaker 1: great to see you, Fight of the year, fight of

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Speaker 1: the decade. How excited are you for Canelo Crawford?

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Speaker 2: So excited? Great to be here. Every time football comes back,

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Speaker 2: it's like I sort of remember what a big sort

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Speaker 2: of deal you are, you know, so I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: this crazy because you're my boy. You know, I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of just poker in the fights. But whenever it come like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, you know, I'm very honored to be here,

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Speaker 2: and well I know how hard you work. So thank you, sir,

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Speaker 2: Thank you brother.

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Speaker 1: We have been listen. If people didn't see your last appearance,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give a quick recap of it. So Nick

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Speaker 1: told us many Pakiao can win that fight. Yeah, throw

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Speaker 1: the shades on. Nick said, many Pakiao can win the fight,

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Speaker 1: and Nick got Packiau at plus four hundred correct four

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Speaker 1: to ten, but fo ten okay, no, no, I'm not changing

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to short change you ten cents. He

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Speaker 1: went off at two to one plus one ninety plus

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Speaker 1: two hundred something. You got a great number. You were

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Speaker 1: at the fight with six seats, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: in the moment realized the gravity of how bad you

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Speaker 1: got scammed in that fight.

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Speaker 2: I realized he was minus eight hundred on Penny Live

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Speaker 2: after that the tenth rounds. Yeah, but so.

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Speaker 1: Any somehow that fight ended up being a majority draw,

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Speaker 1: which is just as painful as it gets. And but

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Speaker 1: you were definitively on the right side of it. And now,

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Speaker 1: to be fair also, and here's the thing, I love boxing,

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Speaker 1: but I love boxing the way some of the professional

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Speaker 1: poker world loves, you know, like the EPL where they

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Speaker 1: watch it and they bet it. But if you asked

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Speaker 1: him to take like a hundred question tests, they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: do great on it. And so I can't speak with

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Speaker 1: real authority, which is why I bring you on. But

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Speaker 1: you really liked some an undercard, and so I was like, listen,

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Speaker 1: this was the one. I forget who it was, but

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Speaker 1: he wasn't want to. I don't want you to tell

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Speaker 1: me because it'll spoil the story. And so I bet it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, Nick likes it. I bet it.

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Speaker 1: I and I was rolling with you. And then we

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Speaker 1: turned the fight on and I I see the guy

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Speaker 1: that I bet against is six eight one fifty. I

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Speaker 1: text you and I'm like, yo, we got like a

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Speaker 1: foot and a half height difference, and you just sext

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Speaker 1: me back. They don't call him the Towering Inferno for

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Speaker 1: nothing that our guys just couldn't lay in the shot.

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Speaker 2: But well, yeah, go ahead, no no, I mean no, please.

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Speaker 1: So but during that preview of the Pacquia fight, we

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Speaker 1: talked to little Canelo Crawford. You gave away Ivy's gambling position.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this, the magnitude of this fight, and

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Speaker 1: we said we were gonna do this again. So I

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Speaker 1: and then we're really I'm gonna see most of the

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Speaker 1: floor to you because I do this. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: people are watching as Nick drink some wine, I have

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Speaker 1: one rule for the podcast. If I am doing doing

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Speaker 1: broadcasting after six pm Eastern, I'm drinking during it. This

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Speaker 1: is we are taping this on a Wednesday night. My

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Speaker 1: friend will yeah, thank you. It will post sometime. I

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Speaker 1: think either Thursday or Friday. Set you up for the fight.

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Speaker 1: But I'm doing this for three reasons. One is, it's

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Speaker 1: the fight of the year and it needs to be covered.

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Speaker 1: Another is I love the idea of boxing becoming super

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Speaker 1: mainstream again. And and I want to help however I can,

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Speaker 1: because at its core, there is something just human about

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Speaker 1: and this is the part that Nick may or may

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Speaker 1: not appreciate. I happen to truly believe that Nick Shulman's

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Speaker 1: even though I know at least a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the fight. So the story going in for the undefeated

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Speaker 1: How set the table for how he even got to

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, aside from them both being all time greats,

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Speaker 2: that's absolutely the main focal point here. A weight jump

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Speaker 2: of this magnitude is quite rare. You've seen guys move

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Speaker 2: up the ranks. You've seen pac Yao beat bigger guys.

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Speaker 2: Roy Jones Junior, nobody thought he'd ever be fighting at

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Speaker 2: light heavyweight heavyweight. He was up there doing crazy things.

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Speaker 2: Sugar Ray Leonard beating Marvin Hagler is the one that

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Speaker 2: You know, he did his thing. But yeah, to move

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Speaker 1: Why is he doing it?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting. You know when they first announced the fight,

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Speaker 2: I will admit I was thinking, Wow, they made Terrence

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Speaker 2: an offer that he can't refuse to lock up generational

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Speaker 2: wealth for his family. But This is wild that the

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Speaker 2: number one pound four pound guy has to go up

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Speaker 2: best guys at that weight. Perhaps Canelo's slipping a little bit,

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Speaker 2: but that was just my knee jerk. And even Terrence

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta take him at his word. But

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Speaker 2: now that things have come to a head and the

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Speaker 2: pre fight has happened and everything, I think he believes

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Speaker 2: he will win. I think his team believes he'll win,

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Speaker 2: and I believe he'll win.

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Speaker 1: So the and we'll listen. The market is not If

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Speaker 1: the I don't listen, you get a sharper price, probably

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Speaker 1: than most would. And you've been looking at this for months.

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Speaker 1: But as we sit here today, it's right around minus

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Speaker 2: More like one eighty one sixty.

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Speaker 1: All right, So then I listen. So he I mean,

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Speaker 1: with Canelo being the favorite, the point I sew Canello

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Speaker 1: Packers money line when they're a three point favorite against

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Speaker 1: the Commanders for Thursday Night football, like minus one eighty is.

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Speaker 1: Though those upsets happen all the time, so the so

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Speaker 1: is it fair to say this? The boxing world believes

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Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford's the better fighter at this point than Canelo Alvarez,

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Speaker 1: But because of the weight change, that is what's tilting

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Speaker 1: the scale. Not that people think Canelo and this is unfair,

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Speaker 1: but is purely a better fighter.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting, Nick, It's like every take

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Speaker 2: you hear, for the most part, Canelo's too big, he's

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Speaker 2: too strong. If you talk to the public, that's what

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Speaker 2: everybody thinks. And there's a few takes from trainers to

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Speaker 2: that really kind of bothered me. Joel Diaz and Abel

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Speaker 2: Sanchez come to mind. They're just saying, like Crawford's got

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Speaker 2: no shot. Love him, but you know he can't do

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Speaker 2: anything to Canelo. I'll take you back to the last

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Speaker 2: time I bet against Crawford. It was twenty sixteen. I

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Speaker 2: was playing the World Series of Poker and I was

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Speaker 2: playing with Ivy. I was just playing cash. But uh,

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Speaker 2: and once again just qualifier. I'm not a tout. You know,

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Speaker 2: my picks and plays. But just so you guys know,

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Speaker 2: you know, protect yourself at all times in the betting.

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Speaker 2: But Ivy said, you know you like the fights, right Nick,

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Speaker 2: you want to go to night see Budd? I said absolutely,

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Speaker 2: So he slid me a ticket and he was fighting

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Speaker 2: Victor post All and he was something like minus six hundred.

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Speaker 2: quite humble, pragmatic. You know, maybe a little bit of

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Speaker 2: that's from poker, but also in boxing, they're a little

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Speaker 2: bit slept on. In America. Sometimes this is a popularity contest.

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Speaker 2: These guys can really fight.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to interrupt. The story is who's the

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Speaker 1: favorite in this?

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Speaker 2: Going back to twenty sixteen, Crawford was a six to

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Speaker 2: one favorite.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Crawford was minus six hundred. YEA bet the dog,

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Speaker 1: you bet, I've got the dog, got it, go ahead,

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Speaker 2: I pulled up to the arena, and, you know, much

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Speaker 2: as Crawford was getting his shit off switching stances. I

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while he'd like pop up and

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Speaker 2: I said, by the way, Phil, uh, do you have

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Speaker 2: a sat Did you bet this fight? He said, oh,

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Speaker 2: this fight? Uh, I have Crawford, Nick, But you never know,

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Speaker 2: it's boxing. Anything can happen. He got this smug kind

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Speaker 2: when mush bet the horse and Palmentary rips up the tick,

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Speaker 2: That's what it felt like. I was like, okay, right,

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people don't know this, but ever

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Speaker 2: since then, I've I've actually been business partners with Bud.

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Speaker 2: And the business plan, yeah, it's it's crazy. And the

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Speaker 2: business plan it's a really simple one. He goes out

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Speaker 2: there and fights and I bet on him every single

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Speaker 2: fucking time. And guess what, nick business has been booming.

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Speaker 2: Why would I switch up on my man? Now you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: So this is so, this is what I want and listen,

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Speaker 2: And by the way, sorry to cut you off, but

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Speaker 2: after post all he rattled off eleven straight stoppages. They

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Speaker 2: call his resume to question. But he beat Jeff Horn,

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Speaker 2: who was undefeated at the time, who beat Pacyao. He

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Speaker 2: beat David Benavitez, his brother in a in a fight

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Speaker 2: where he didn't really engage, and then he found just

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Speaker 2: a gorgeous stoppage. He beat a mere Khan, he beat

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Speaker 2: kel Brooke. We'll get into it, but but he beat

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Speaker 2: the mean machine kaval Yawskis, who's great. Please just sorry, go.

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Speaker 1: On, no, no, no, so you got you got exactly

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Speaker 1: where I was going. And I promise for Canelo fans,

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, and you know that was indeed

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Speaker 2: a profound sentiment from IV. My favorite Bud moments in

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Speaker 2: saying that to sound deep. I just he landed the

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Speaker 2: And of course Nick the aerrol Spence win in its entirety,

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Speaker 2: Any fight fan. There's millions of fight fans out there

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Speaker 1: I know I make you uncomfortable, But the point I'm

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Speaker 1: Even that's not even why I was asking. And it's

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Speaker 2: But as he was rising through the ranks, he went

427
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: somewhere I don't remember where, but there there were other

428
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: trainers there. I don't know if it was Olympic Trials

429
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: or Golden Glove. I don't know what it was, but

430
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: he said, Bomack said to him, listen, any exercises you

431
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: pick up over there, any tactics, any new wrinkles to

432
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: your game, you know, bring him back to the gym.

433
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: Teach him to me because I'm still learning on the job,

434
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: and he says it to this day. They're always trying

435
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: to add little things to their game. Isau Dieguez another

436
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: guy in his corner, wonderful story. Came from Guatemala, tried

437
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: to make a better life for himself, tried to make

438
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: it as a pro, struggle to get fights, had a

439
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: little losing streak. He was in Cali, went to Omaha,

440
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: met Brian McIntyre, Bomack, They struggled. It was, you know,

441
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: the grind was real. And then in walked fourteen year

442
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: old Bud Crawford. And there's another guy in his team,

443
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: Red Spikes. And again you can see interviews with all

444
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: these guys. They're never there's no ego there. These are

445
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: students of the game. So inactivity is an issue for

446
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: me more for the guys who they're in camp, they

447
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: fight and then they're partying, or then they're on vacation.

448
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: A lot of boxers, because it's a vicious sport in

449
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: life happens, you know, like it's we're human beings, end

450
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: of the day. But this guy has wanted to be

451
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: a world champion since he was a kid, and he's

452
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: been unwavering in this pursuit. That's real you know that

453
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: that's real life and he's coming. So I don't think

454
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: it matters that much here, but it's it is an issue.

455
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk Canelo before we get to how

456
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: the fight. I mean, it's obvious you know what side

457
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: you're going, but how the fight you see it playing out? Specifically,

458
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: because Canelo's a legend in his own right and Canelo

459
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: is the guy who is going to be I think

460
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: it's fair to say more comfortable, not because Bud's not

461
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: used to spotlight, but because Canelo is not the one

462
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: having to change weight glasses. What again, I'm gonna go,

463
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 1: as I was saying before, die hard boxing fans are

464
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: gonna love this either way. So for the casual fans,

465
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: how did Canelo Alvarez become Canelo Alvarez? Like? Why is

466
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: he a legend?

467
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: So Canelo, Hi, sweetheart, Hi baby.

468
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: She can definitely stop by. Both of my daughters have

469
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: co hosts.

470
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: You want to she wants to goodness, you want to

471
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: come say high for one second? Baby on anything?

472
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Okay, well well then don't.

473
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm on CV right now. You know what I mean.

474
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: I love you so much, mama, All right, Uh, Canelo

475
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: Canelo has been a superstar, uh for a long time,

476
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: just just just has it. But he turned pro at fifteen,

477
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, which is insane. Obviously, he has the looks,

478
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: he has the charm, and he's an unbelievable fighter who's

479
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: fought everybody. His style is so cool. He's like he's

480
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: become a pressure sort of power puncher. But he used

481
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: to be a slick boxer, kind of incorporating all the elements.

482
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: But this guy's put on major fights now for fifteen

483
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: years and he's a global superstar. He's an icon, you know,

484
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: I don't I mean, we could run through all his moments. No, no,

485
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: you know, we don't.

486
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: Have to do that. But is there what is the

487
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: is there? Is it legitimate to worry that he's obvious? Well, again,

488
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm saying, yeah, please, it's fair to say.

489
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: I think clearly he's not in his prime at this point?

490
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: Is it fair? And tell if you disagree, tell me

491
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: is it fair to say? The question is how far

492
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: down from his prime he is? And if you had

493
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: to answer that question, like where would you put him?

494
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's a little bit tricky for me. I

495
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: think about when he fought John Ryder, I think in

496
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: Mexico City. Now is the first time I ever watched,

497
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 2: and I said, man, you know, he looks a little

498
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: bit stuck in the mudd. He looks just a little

499
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: bit slower. But he keeps beating guys outside of BEV Hall.

500
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: And one thing I'll say, I do think sometimes he

501
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: will do just enough. Now, when he fought Charlow, Charlo

502
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: wasn't really engaging. If we're racking up the rounds, getting

503
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: out of their unscathed and home to our families. You know,

504
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: I'm talking like I'm in there, but like what you like,

505
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: you can't really fault him for that. When he fought

506
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: Edgar Berlanga, he had a really sweet knockdown, caught him

507
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: with the left hook. It was like the shot came

508
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: out of nowhere fast. But then he just sort of

509
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: he gassed a little. He did his thing, you know

510
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: what I mean, one one, eighteen one ten. And still

511
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: when he fought what's the guy's name, how Mungbia himI

512
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: Mungbi Yeah again, Yeah, it's kind of like you felt

513
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: like he could get the stoppage. Mungia then lost to

514
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: an Italian dude with a job. I think the guy

515
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: is like a teacher or a soccer coach, like something

516
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: like a nine to five nick and it's kind of like, Okay,

517
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: that didn't age particularly well, but he got the job.

518
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: And his last outing against William Skull, he was struggling

519
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: to sort of cut the ring off. Listen, He's in

520
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, and again he took no damage. He came

521
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: out of there with a win. But to answer your question,

522
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: he doesn't look like prime Canelo to me, but he's

523
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: very intelligent. He interviews. Every time I sleep on him.

524
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: I find everything he's saying is very smart and sharp

525
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: and calculated. And you know, I believe he will be

526
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: prepared to the utmost for this fight. And I don't

527
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: think he's sleeping on Crawford. But yeah, I wonder after

528
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 2: sixty five professional fights, sixty seven, you know, you never know.

529
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: I mean, father Time is undefeated.

530
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: Well, what's weird is Crawford's older. Crawford's like older but younger,

531
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: way exactly right, That's what I was gonna say it.

532
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: Crawford is older biologically, but seems to be the younger

533
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: as a fighter. And I think that's and again maybe

534
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: that's too simplistic. That's my view of it. I what

535
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: is the Are they splitting two hundred million?

536
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: I would have to think, uh Saoul is getting a

537
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: little bit more, you know.

538
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't mean even split. But I'm saying,

539
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: like the purse doesn't have this exactly right. I figured

540
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: you might like, is it is it realistic that Canelo

541
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: could be getting a hundred million and Bud could be

542
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: getting fifty million respectively minimum for this fight.

543
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, because we're in unprecedented times where this

544
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: guy Turkey Alaschik has come in with you know, uh

545
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: big paper from Saudi Arabia, and he genuinely loves the sport.

546
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: And you know what, I was hating on him a

547
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: little bit in the big and there's some things that

548
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: I still found a little bit unsettling. But end of

549
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: the day, he is putting on immaculate fights and shows

550
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: and there does seem to be some integrity there as

551
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: far as let's give the people what they want to see,

552
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: and you know, hopefully the judging and so on and

553
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: so forth is as legit as we can hope. For now,

554
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: we have Dana White in there promoting his first fight.

555
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: He's in there.

556
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't I don't.

557
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: Love that I don't really love it either, And I

558
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: know I heard something today that he's that they're not

559
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: allowing these guys from the sanctioning bodies. You know, the WBA, WBO, IBC.

560
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: You always get chills when you when they start rattling

561
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: off the eighty belts, like he's the former unified WBA, like,

562
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: but now I'm here in white, is not allowing Mauricio

563
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: Suliman into the ring. Mauricio is a you know, a

564
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: Mexican running one of the sanctioning but I don't know,

565
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: it's all getting messy and strange, and I don't I

566
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: kind of like the hood element of boxing, but something

567
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: that when I say hood, I just mean, you know, yeah,

568
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: the streets are involved in this sport, but I want

569
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: it to be fair. But some polymolognology brought up a

570
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: great point that having multiple world titles gives more contenders

571
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: a shot. You know, if you only have one belt,

572
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: it's very very hard to ever contend for it, but

573
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: when you have multiple, then figure it out. For for

574
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: a unified undisputed champion. It kind of has some flavor

575
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: the four belt era. You know, I don't hate it,

576
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: but anyway, it's complicated, Nick, I don't know what they're making,

577
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: but it's a lot, a lot.

578
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot, lot and it is again I'm

579
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: gonna I'm throwing stuff at you.

580
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about.

581
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: But I if I were to say, in the last

582
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: decade ish the biggest fights that you can count on

583
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: one hand are what I think, it's pretty definitive. This

584
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: is one of them. But it's like, like, what are

585
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: this is in line with? You know, give me a

586
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: couple other fights as far as the anticipation, not necessarily

587
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: perse but all of it that goes into it. This

588
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,080
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Speaker 2: I mean Mayweather Paco. So it's interesting from a purest standpoint, again,

603
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: not to be potential, That's what I mean. That's what

604
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm asking, you know what I mean, Like, from a

605
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: purest standpoint, this is this right, from a purest standpoint,

606
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: this is up there with anything that I think any

607
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: boxing fan can recall in quite a while.

608
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: So that's where I was asking.

609
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: So like when we but even person wise, they're saying

610
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: this is there's Mayweather pack you Mayweather McGregor, and then

611
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: this as far as Gate and everything I've heard that

612
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: you know, you never know what's real and what's not.

613
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: But this is up there with Tyson, with Tyson Holyfield,

614
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: This is up there with uh uh Canelo Floyd. This

615
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: is up there with Canelo Triple G one, which Canelo lost,

616
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: by the way, gifted a draw. Then this is up

617
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: there with Canelo Triple G two, which he lost again.

618
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: He he outperformed expectation. Did he back triple g up

619
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: for the first time in his career? Yes? Was he was?

620
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: He swaggy with it and his hands were low and

621
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: he's shaking his head. Nope and exchanging with one of

622
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: the scariest punchers in the history of boxing. Yes. Do

623
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: I feel he lost seven rounds? Absolutely, but you know

624
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: it is what it is. Did you know, Nick, you

625
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: just could tell you could feel the residual anger.

626
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it does feel like there's at least a

627
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: touch of bitterness.

628
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: Mayweather de la Joya when Mayweather came out not only

629
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: with fifty cent but the Mexican colored robe and the sombrero.

630
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, this is up there with these moments.

631
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: And let's of course not forget some of the show's

632
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: packing out put on and I mean, you know, oo

633
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: sick fury like there have been some huge fights. This

634
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: is up there with any of them.

635
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna ask if Canelo wins, it looks like

636
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: what If Crawford wins, it looks like what? And I

637
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: was going to have my third question, b and you

638
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: think it's going to look like what? But I think

639
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: my second and third question the answers are the same.

640
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: But if Canelo wins it, how does it play out?

641
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: So I could see Canelo winning with sublime skills and

642
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: reminding everybody what time it is. And if you were

643
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: asleep on him, that was your mistake. And he's still

644
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: Canelo and this and that. Could he hurt and stop

645
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: Terrence Crawford? I guess, man, I guess it's possible. You know,

646
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: I don't see it, but he is the smaller man,

647
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 2: not in a literal sense. He actually has a longer reach,

648
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: and he's a little bit taller, but Canelo's beefier, he's thicker,

649
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: he has a bigger frame, and he's more naturally filled

650
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: out at this weight, and he's been in there with

651
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: some huge punchers and he seems very very hard to

652
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: hurt all time. Chin. I could see Canelo, I suppose

653
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: backing Bud down and just wailing on him with huge

654
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: shots and showing his craftiness and either just winning a

655
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: somewhat clear decision where budd Is is wounded in there

656
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: at some point and it just that's how it shakes out,

657
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: or I guess even getting the stoppage if Bud wins hold.

658
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: On real quick. I want to stop you real quick,

659
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: if some and again, I want to make this incredibly clear.

660
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: It is very important to Nick that nobody think he's

661
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: trying to be a tout. As he made it clear. Oh,

662
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: it's the opposite, very important to me, right, it is

663
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: very important and to me that I want to respect

664
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: Nick's wishes that he is not a tout and he

665
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: is not trying to be, while also I want to

666
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: get his picks. So it's a bit of a yeah,

667
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: the audience understand. So I am the one presenting this.

668
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: If someone were going it sounds to me that if

669
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: someone's like, I'm fucking betting Canelo, would you like betting

670
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: him to win by decision would.

671
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: Be the way you would bet it, you know something

672
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: generally not even no, No, it's a great, No, it's

673
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: a great it's a great question. I mean you have

674
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: to shop around, you know, there are so many different

675
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: outs and bookies and legal accounts and ways to get down.

676
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: So number one, I would say, look for the best price.

677
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: If you think Canel is gonna win by decision, try

678
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: to shop around. Maybe you get uh, I don't know

679
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: what that is. That feels like it's probably like that

680
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: might even be a small dog because the knockout is

681
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: on the table as well, or maybe it's pick him ish, but.

682
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking it up. So our lines, yeah, I agree

683
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: with Nick. Our lines are provided by our friends at

684
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: hard Rock Bet. But the I think it's like plus

685
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: one twenty five.

686
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: There you go. So what I was going to say.

687
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know if hard Rock bet

688
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: will appreciate this, but generally those props, they the bookies

689
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: and the geniuses they hire in the back office kind

690
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: of know how to present a problem that's hard to solve.

691
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: You can find value in props.

692
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: You know.

693
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: One of my biggest wins ever was a UFC fight

694
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: where I bet a guy would win by sub like

695
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: plus twenty eight hundred. It was glorious.

696
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: You know.

697
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm on a huge UFC rip, but

698
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't wow. You know. It's about time.

699
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: It's about time, and on a hard rock bet. Here

700
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: here's just what it is. If you want to bet Canelo.

701
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: Canelo's straight to win is minus one sixty five. Canelo

702
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: by knockout, technical knockout ordqu is plus three point fifty.

703
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: Canelo by decision is plus one thirty. So that's Look,

704
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of as you have.

705
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: There's a lot of fans out there who've watched all

706
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: his fights, and a lot of people watching this now.

707
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 2: You know, I get that boxing isn't your main thing,

708
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: but you know you you definitely have a lot of

709
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: boxing heads out there. So it's really hard to say

710
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: if you feel the size imposition will be so dramatic

711
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: for Bud to handle, you know, bet him to win

712
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: by knockout. I think Terrence is going to take his time,

713
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: find his openings and beat the brakes off him with

714
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: respect and love to anybody that steps in the ring.

715
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: And I think Bud is live for the stoppage, which

716
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: is something like ten to one. No one thinks it's possible.

717
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: I do. I think he could land something that Canelo

718
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: does not see, shock him from the head down to

719
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: the toes, hit him with something crazy, and I really

720
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: do believe that that Terrence is live to stop Canelo.

721
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: But the most likely situation I see in my heart.

722
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: And obviously I'm a super fan of Terrance. Obviously I'm biased.

723
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: I love this guy. I can't see you know what

724
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: I mean. Like, I'm a huge fan, so it you

725
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: gotta be careful betting with your heart. And like I said,

726
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: that wasn't a joke. You know, combat sports is different

727
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: than team sports. Sure, maybe you bet the Chiefs every

728
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: game because you love the Chiefs.

729
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: No, I actually don't. I just will never bet against them.

730
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: You'll never bet against them. Cool for me with Bud, though, Like,

731
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: this wasn't a This isn't a joke. Like I at

732
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: some point my brain switched on to I'm just never

733
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: betting against this guy. No, it's not the most sophisticated theory,

734
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: but I've believed for a long time that he's the

735
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 2: best guy in the world. So you know, it all

736
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: leads to this moment. But it's very interesting and the

737
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: betting market, if I can, if I may the market

738
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: for this, and I wonder how often you think about

739
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: this in football or whatever it may be. But for

740
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: this particular fight, conventional wisdom says Canelo's too big. It

741
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: says that this is too tall of an order. In

742
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 2: addition to which Canelo is an icon, he's a true

743
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: household name, and Terence Crawford is like a little bit

744
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: Niche still if you go up to people who don't

745
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: follow boxing, it's me. Yet he hasn't fully crossed over

746
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: and yet Canelo is less than a two to one favorite.

747
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: I don't quite understand it, and it just feels to

748
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: me like the streets might be talking or something. You know,

749
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: some big players might be doing some things. But I

750
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: will tell you this, my mark. I am not a trader.

751
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: I'm not a finance guy, and my market analysis historically

752
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: has been rather shaky. I've come with some theories and

753
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: they don't always pan out. But I'm a little confused

754
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: by this line.

755
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: Well, so this is you brought us to, and we're

756
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: going twice as long as I told you we would,

757
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: so I'll wrap this up quickly soon. But you brought

758
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: us to what was for good or for bad? What

759
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: is like an element of boxing, which is who's if

760
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: the fights goes to the cards and it's a true

761
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: coin flip, is there a which of the two fighters

762
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: is it better for let's just call it Vegas to

763
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: be the winner.

764
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure, But one thing

765
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: I do know is there's an old adage you can't

766
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: beat Canelo in Vegas. You don't want to go to

767
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: the cards with Canelo. What about the there is Londi

768
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: Laura fight where he landed eight head shots and by

769
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: the way, I still think he won the fight because

770
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: Laura was so on his bike, but it certainly was

771
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: was nuanced. It's certain he landed eight shots to the

772
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: dome Nick eight and one on decision and one on

773
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: the points. What about C J. Ross who had Canelo

774
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: Mayweather one fourteen one fourteen Floyd won thirteen rounds of

775
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: a twelve round fight. Yeah, what happened there? So I

776
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: don't want to get too into what might be going

777
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: on with that situation, because you know, I mean, but

778
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: we can all speculate as to why it has seemed

779
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 2: very hard to beat Canelo on the cards, and there

780
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: have been many cards that have come in where it's

781
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: that sort of feeling in your stomach.

782
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: But bud just has to maybe Budges has to win

783
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: in a stoppage.

784
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: I'm feeling the changing of the tides. I'm feeling like integrity.

785
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 2: Might you know? And again we'll see, we don't only

786
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: they know how this is going to go.

787
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, right, do you can you before you go?

788
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: And I'm obviously I would never publicly maybe privately, but

789
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: I would never publicly ask you for bet amounts. But

790
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: can you tell us your journey of betting this fight,

791
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: because it's hard for me to believe it was one time,

792
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: one ticket, one trip to the window.

793
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: No, honestly, I've only made one bet so far on

794
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: this fight. It it uh, it's on my mind. I

795
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: want it to take a real amount of money. Yeah,

796
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: it's an amount of money. But my theory on this

797
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: so I refresh the line for this one for two

798
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: weeks now every five to eight minutes. You know, I'm

799
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: prone to rumination. I have some neurotic tendencies that can

800
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: turn on me at times, but also as a gift

801
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: and a curse, you know, and I've accepted myself, but

802
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: one of them for something like this is constantly refreshing line.

803
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: My theory is that on Mexican Independence Weekend, one of

804
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: the biggest fights ever at Allegiant Stadium, a lot of

805
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: Mexicans are going to come to town and start firing Canelo.

806
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: So my theory, which is not particularly advanced, is that

807
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: if you want to bet Bud, conventional wisdom might be

808
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 2: to wait. So I'm eyeing it. I'd love to get

809
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: Bud at something like two to one would just be delightful. However,

810
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: I think.

811
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: It's right now. In the short term, it's moved a

812
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: little bit against you.

813
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: If it's it will by against me, you mean kind

814
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: of with me, but against what I want to get you.

815
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: But if I'm seeing those tendencies, I'm gonna come in again,

816
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: probably pretty soon. And and like I said, you know,

817
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm not a market expert, but I've done this enough

818
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: for a long time. I tend to have some decent

819
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: ideas about where the lines are going to end up.

820
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: So that was my idea. We'll see, And I also

821
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 2: have some bud By stoppage a little better than ten

822
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: to one. That would be an evening what a needs mercy, That.

823
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: Would be That would my His name is Nick Shulman.

824
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: He was a first ballot Poker Hall of Famer. He's

825
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: seven seven time World Series of Poker Bracelet winner. He

826
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: is universally regarded as America's favorite poker commentator. He one

827
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: day will be regarded as one of the best boxing

828
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: commentators out there, if I have anything say about it.

829
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: It is an honor and a privilege to uh call

830
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: him my friend. And when it's not football season, I

831
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: get to spend a lot of time with him in Vegas.

832
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: When it is football season. We text about other people's

833
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: losing football bets and our own gambling weekends. Nick, I

834
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: appreciate you. You have made me if I wasn't already

835
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: heavily invested in Terrence Bud Crawford winning. He's a Midwestern

836
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: kid like me. Uh, is there anything I would imagine?

837
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is there anything that you don't you

838
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: want to promote, you want to tell the audience about

839
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: anyone you want to shout out before we go? Any

840
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: other final thoughts about the fight? Anything?

841
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: Uh? No final thoughts. You know Naolia in a way

842
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: fights this weekend two put eyes on him. He's arguably

843
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: the best fighter in the world. And uh, you know,

844
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: it's a true honor to be on your platform. You know,

845
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. And I just want to say

846
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: when we were kicking it in Vegas and you were

847
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: getting all sorts of love left and right, it's touching

848
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: how real you keep it and how you know nice

849
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: you are to every single person that comes up to you,

850
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: DAPs you up. You're the same way off the air

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Speaker 2: and that that touched me. You know that's what it's

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Speaker 2: all about.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you so much for.

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Speaker 1: That tried to the one guy who.

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Speaker 2: Said Lebron you know who did that stuff?

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Speaker 1: That was like wanted to fight me?

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Speaker 2: No, that was that was a lot then a I.

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Speaker 1: Think it's fair to say a half drunk Scott sever

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Speaker 1: almost tackled it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Scotty, you don't want to you don't want Scotty,

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Speaker 2: but you know, aside from that gentleman and he just

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Speaker 2: sort of dropped it almost like you know, like I'll

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Speaker 2: see you outside. It's just kind of like it was

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Speaker 2: like all right, but yeah, all right, man, have a

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Speaker 2: great trip.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to absolutely give my best to

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Speaker 1: the family and appreciate you coming on. And we'll be

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Speaker 1: back on what's right on Monday or Tuesday, pending what

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Speaker 1: happened to football this week, and see you guys. Letter.

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Speaker 2: We'll try later, Bro