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Speaker 2: This is a very exciting episode. But before we get
Speaker 2: into the episode, it is man, G just had at
Speaker 2: the time this recording an amazing birthday. I don't even
Speaker 2: want to know. What are you someone that's not into
Speaker 2: birthday numbers or you are?
Speaker 3: I don't really care. I really don't care.
Speaker 1: I get it's it's so funny when I tell my
Speaker 1: age and then people are like what I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you do you not see like.
Speaker 3: That's a little bit like insulting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but well you do look they're probably you
Speaker 2: do look amazing, though. I feel like you're someone who's
Speaker 2: looked young. You're his true true looked young your whole life.
Speaker 1: I feel like, right, I think, so, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a I feel like I have a babyface.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then there's people like, you know, there's people like
Speaker 1: b Arthur who looked probably like she was sixty five
Speaker 1: when she was nineteen.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't I look so good and so young?
Speaker 1: You look so I feel like you you're getting younger
Speaker 1: and younger looking. Do you ever look back at the episodes, Like,
Speaker 1: even watching this episode, some of them close ups on Huk,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh damn, I feel like I damn
Speaker 1: what no? Like, I felt like I looked almost older
Speaker 1: back then in certain shots.
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Reilly, Oh my god, I thought we looked like babies,
Speaker 2: like if we look young for our age. Now I
Speaker 2: look at us on Scandal, I feel like we look
Speaker 2: like full blown teenagers.
Speaker 5: I feel like we look like so young it's insane.
Speaker 1: Sometimes do you ever think like, how did I get cast?
Speaker 1: I look like a kid?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: How did I get cast in this role?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: How did anyone believe that I could be someone that
Speaker 2: like has a job? Yeah, or like a backstory? Yes,
Speaker 2: this episode is amazing. We have in store for our
Speaker 2: gladiators today, probably their most favorite guest if I would
Speaker 2: have put money on it.
Speaker 1: Listen, this is this is what an important like special guest.
Speaker 1: This is We're taping on a freaking Saturday. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we a Saturday.
Speaker 3: How many saturdays did we work on Scandal?
Speaker 4: We worked?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we worked a bunch of saturdays on Scandal.
Speaker 2: So the weekends were not forty eight hours, they were
Speaker 2: like thirty six at best.
Speaker 5: Yes, and we loved it. We we did it again.
Speaker 1: Saturday.
Speaker 2: Look, she's busy, she's busy. She's got a very busy life,
Speaker 2: a very busy personal life.
Speaker 5: It's a very full life.
Speaker 2: And we're very grateful to have her because Gladiators, like
Speaker 2: I've said before, it is your most favorite, number one
Speaker 2: guest of guests of all time. She has been on
Speaker 2: the pod once before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's gracing us with her presence yet again.
Speaker 6: Who I love you so much.
Speaker 2: We love you so much, Thank you for coming on
Speaker 2: this again. You are obviously we've been teasing you. We're like,
Speaker 2: she's everyone's number one guest as everybody would only want
Speaker 2: her to have her on the Gladiators.
Speaker 5: There's no way to even tease.
Speaker 2: Okay, first, Gladiators, thank you for answering the call of
Speaker 2: all of our posts on the social medis for amazing
Speaker 2: questions that we're going to get to you in two minutes.
Speaker 2: But before that, we just have to say between the
Speaker 2: last time we had Carrie Washington, the one and only
Speaker 2: Kerry Washington who played the Olivia Pope on Rewatch.
Speaker 5: Podcast, you wrote a book that came out which.
Speaker 2: Is insane, and we need to just talk about in
Speaker 2: the book of how it relates to this podcast. You
Speaker 2: mentioned in the book that your real life sometime paralleled Olivia,
Speaker 2: and if you were comfortable in just saying that, because
Speaker 2: I think we I mean, it's a big deal to
Speaker 2: write a book and have a book come out, and
Speaker 2: if there's anything that relates to Olivia on this podcast,
Speaker 2: we would love to have you speak about you.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I caught you, guys. I love I
Speaker 6: think I have a hard time remembering like what I
Speaker 6: cut out of the book, but I know I wrote
Speaker 6: at some point, so I hope I made it into
Speaker 6: the book about telling you both. I remember so vividly
Speaker 6: sitting in Opa and telling you guys that I was
Speaker 6: going to go to Oprah's house for like a birthday brunch.
Speaker 6: So I totally remember that that couch and I was like,
Speaker 6: what am I gonna wear? You guys were like, what
Speaker 6: are you gonna wear? Then Oprah's house?
Speaker 5: It was so crazy, what are you gonna wear an
Speaker 5: Oprah's house?
Speaker 6: So it's just like those special memories of being on
Speaker 6: a rocket ship together and being like can you believe
Speaker 6: our lives? Like what are we doing?
Speaker 3: When?
Speaker 1: Then Oprah showed up on set, like I'm grow keen
Speaker 1: to set. That was another moment. I was like, what
Speaker 1: is happening.
Speaker 6: Off the elevators at OPA and like, yeah, it's insane,
Speaker 6: so cool, Yeah cool.
Speaker 5: I love the part in the book where you talk
Speaker 5: about me.
Speaker 6: That story is as well shocking that that's your favorite.
Speaker 6: That story is very special to me. It's very very
Speaker 6: special to me, and I need to know you so much.
Speaker 6: And yes, I was talking a little about how like
Speaker 6: a lot of times we would be doing these scenes
Speaker 6: where we would be talking about the given circumstances of
Speaker 6: our characters, but really we were talking about ourselves in
Speaker 6: so many ways like that these characters kind of gave
Speaker 6: us a way to work through our own shit characters.
Speaker 2: I think it's really TV is really different than I
Speaker 2: think movies. I mean, I don't have a lot of
Speaker 2: experience with the movies, but I know you two do.
Speaker 2: But I think when you're working eighty hours a week
Speaker 2: for seventy eight years on something, you're spending so much
Speaker 2: time as your character as you are in your life,
Speaker 2: and so it and the writers are writing to.
Speaker 5: You, so it gets confusing.
Speaker 2: And in the book, Carrie talks about this moment where
Speaker 2: I was considering starting a family and Carrie had chosen
Speaker 2: ready to start a family, and we were doing these
Speaker 2: lines where you were like passing the torch to me.
Speaker 2: I don't remember how they were.
Speaker 6: But you were really talking about you stepping into like
Speaker 6: O pa being yours being like.
Speaker 5: You know, qpoh, that's right.
Speaker 6: And and you know, like every time we weren't acting,
Speaker 6: we were talking about like were you ready to be
Speaker 6: a mom? Did you want to be a mom? Did
Speaker 6: you cause you have did you have the capacity to
Speaker 6: be a mom? And then we got these scenes that
Speaker 6: were like you can do it. This is your office,
Speaker 6: like you can take it on, like rise to the occasion.
Speaker 6: You have it in you, And I was like getting
Speaker 6: knocked up office.
Speaker 1: Remember we we used to talk. We used to mention
Speaker 1: how we felt that there were cameras in trailers or
Speaker 1: on seid because the writers, yeah, because we're writers, would
Speaker 1: write about stuff that we were going through, we were
Speaker 1: about to go through, or we were we could really
Speaker 1: late to.
Speaker 3: It was so trippy and we'd be like, hell, did
Speaker 3: they know this?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And Carrie used to do this thing for actors listening,
Speaker 2: which I thought was really cool.
Speaker 5: And I'm curious who taught you that?
Speaker 2: Like, sometimes again, when you're working eight hours week, like
Speaker 2: and you're doing the scene which we're down a scandal
Speaker 2: a billion times and a billion takes, sometimes at the
Speaker 2: end of a scene that would be really involved to
Speaker 2: kind of like wake us up or get us here,
Speaker 2: you would use our real like sometimes you'd be.
Speaker 5: Like Katie, you like or you would say like drop
Speaker 5: an f bomber like you would take it.
Speaker 2: Because we were also had to be word perfect on
Speaker 2: the show, and so sometimes if the coverage would move,
Speaker 2: like let's say, into my close up, you would change
Speaker 2: the words because who taught you to do that?
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't remember. I'm so you don't remember.
Speaker 6: I don't Yeah, I don't know. I don't remember who
Speaker 6: taught me to Let me think, I feel like everything
Speaker 6: that I do as an actor that school somehow goes
Speaker 6: back to Jamie Fox. That's like, actually, I'm not sure
Speaker 6: where I got something. It all goes back to Jmie
Speaker 6: because he's been so like pivotal for me at so
Speaker 6: many different times in my career. And I talk about
Speaker 6: this in the book too. There was this one scene
Speaker 6: we were doing for Ray It's like this really important
Speaker 6: moment where I played his wife and he was Ray
Speaker 6: Charles and I find his heroin works in the bathroom,
Speaker 6: and I remember like the rehearsal that morning, you know,
Speaker 6: you know when you rehearse the scene and it's like electric.
Speaker 6: You're like, oh, there's so much danger and excitement in
Speaker 6: the scene, and it was so great. And then by
Speaker 6: the time we got around to my coverage like seven
Speaker 6: hours later, I was like, I just wanted to recapture
Speaker 6: that magic from the morning, and I kept like repeating myself,
Speaker 6: trying to like, you know, scratch the same itch, looking
Speaker 6: for the same thing that we had had, you know,
Speaker 6: seven eight hours before. And Jamie was like, stop trying
Speaker 6: to repeat magic, like you you can't. That's not what
Speaker 6: we do. You have to keep digging for something new,
Speaker 6: like keeping wow, for what's new. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: he was like, it has to be new every single time.
Speaker 6: And so that I think, like that idea of like
Speaker 6: specifically saying somebody's real name or talking about what's really
Speaker 6: going on, I don't I don't know if that specifically
Speaker 6: came from him, but that commitment to like keep digging
Speaker 6: and make it new all the time, I know that
Speaker 6: that's something he really that Also.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it also takes the pressure off of ourselves, right,
Speaker 1: because I do that too, you try to. I remember
Speaker 1: even shooting the A seven fifty two episode, and I
Speaker 1: remember when Carrie and I had our moment on the
Speaker 1: floor when I finally wake up.
Speaker 3: I kept I kept in my head. I was like,
Speaker 3: stay in that space, stay in that.
Speaker 1: Instead of just sort of letting go and then letting
Speaker 1: whatever new magic like you were saying, happens in the moment,
Speaker 1: I put so much pressure on myself and then something
Speaker 1: gets lost in doing that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Because I think instead of have faith in those moments,
Speaker 6: like we have yet that the that the magic is
Speaker 6: list like we believe like there's only this finit amount
Speaker 6: of talent or this finite amount of creativity available to me.
Speaker 6: So I have to hold on so tight as opposed
Speaker 6: to like, no I can this is so woo woo,
Speaker 6: but I can plug into this infinite creative source. And
Speaker 6: so like, even if it's different, it's still going to
Speaker 6: be magical. And I feel like that's it is. It's
Speaker 6: so important because I get really stale when I'm just
Speaker 6: trying to repeat the same.
Speaker 5: You used to you gave me the most.
Speaker 2: I've always tried to hold onto it, and maybe it's
Speaker 2: going to happen here today, folks. But one of my
Speaker 2: favorite directors we ever got to work with on Scandal
Speaker 2: was Carrie Washington some sort of direction where you said
Speaker 2: something like, oh my god, I'm gonna you said something
Speaker 2: about every time you're saying the scene is someone, you're
Speaker 2: trying to change them, right. It was something like that,
Speaker 2: It's like you're trying to like like affect change in them,
Speaker 2: like like you're trying to see like that way you
Speaker 2: do do it a little bit differently every time, right.
Speaker 6: Because I think we it's so caught up in actors
Speaker 6: it's like what do I look like? What do I
Speaker 6: sound like? Am I getting it right? But in life,
Speaker 6: when you're talking to somebody, you're actually talking to somebody
Speaker 6: for a reason, Like that's the whole thing we learn
Speaker 6: about like objective intention. Right, It's like you're communicating something
Speaker 6: and it only works if that person hears you, So
Speaker 6: like really focusing on trying to transform the actor across
Speaker 6: from you with your words and not like am I
Speaker 6: saying this right? But like no are they? Am I
Speaker 6: getting the idea? Across that I need to be getting across.
Speaker 2: You're in season three, if you can kind of remember
Speaker 2: this is season three, and I want to say, I
Speaker 2: think you're pregnant.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, is that what's going on in your life?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: I think so? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could see it on your face. You could,
Speaker 1: you have, but not because it was large. No, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. It's there's there's a certain like a
Speaker 1: glow and a confidence.
Speaker 6: Plumpness it is. I don't mind it. I remember I
Speaker 6: used to say to Shonda, like, can Olivia be like
Speaker 6: instead of swimming this season, can she'd be eating a
Speaker 6: lot of chocolate? Because how blame.
Speaker 3: Is a little bit larger.
Speaker 5: She's three oh two. I mean this is today. We're
Speaker 5: talking about episode three or two.
Speaker 2: So you must have been you might have been in
Speaker 2: your life in this season. I think you might have
Speaker 2: been prego, but you maybe hadn't announced it yet. Just
Speaker 2: to give context what's going on, but also in professional
Speaker 2: land context, this is around the time like, look, you
Speaker 2: are obviously a very very very successful actress before scandal,
Speaker 2: you had done a million moves and like that. But
Speaker 2: we're talking season three. This is now at the time
Speaker 2: where you are like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's crazy your life deals like this is a
Speaker 6: cover of Vanity for now crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Oh my god, is that Carrie fucking
Speaker 2: Washington everywhere you go?
Speaker 1: Can you speak to Mariah Carey tweeting at us?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy times.
Speaker 2: This is like this is season three, so middle of
Speaker 2: season two, Juggernauts starts to take off and now exactly
Speaker 2: we're an SNL that any fair can you talk to
Speaker 2: it all about how your life changed?
Speaker 6: It was just such a complete loss of anonymity, right,
Speaker 6: like a complete we all you felt it. We all
Speaker 6: felt it. It went from being like, oh, I can
Speaker 6: run into the supermarket and there might be one or
Speaker 6: two people who's like I really like that show, to
Speaker 6: like we would arrive places and there were screaming crowds
Speaker 6: of thousands of people. We were like, what is happening?
Speaker 6: It just was different. Everything was different. It was like
Speaker 6: being followed by the paparazzi for the first time. It
Speaker 6: was Yeah, it was wild. It was really wild.
Speaker 5: You know what was cool? We talked a lot as
Speaker 5: a group.
Speaker 2: I can remember having a lot of conversations with like
Speaker 2: Columbus and Carriage, and we were in it together and
Speaker 2: really being like with Darby and just like all of
Speaker 2: us sort of like trying to figure out how to
Speaker 2: like support one another when this had never happened before.
Speaker 2: But to carry you more than anybody else, that was
Speaker 2: absolutely insane.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say really quickly.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember carry there was We
Speaker 1: might have talked about this the last time you were on,
Speaker 1: but there was a day that we bumped into each
Speaker 1: other at Whole Foods and I barely freaking recognize you.
Speaker 1: So I feel like you do a really good job
Speaker 1: when you want to be incognito, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because you had like these big old.
Speaker 6: I know, I put on my big glasses and I
Speaker 6: like I have hoods and hats and yes, yes, people.
Speaker 5: Are so young. No, we were talking about the beginning
Speaker 5: of this podcast.
Speaker 2: You're someone that would walk into the makeup trailer or
Speaker 2: wherever when you're like not made up and your hair
Speaker 2: is not done and you're in your jeen jacket, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, she looks like like just
Speaker 2: you're so young looking like people would probably be like
Speaker 2: is that Carrie Washington?
Speaker 1: Like, but yeah, that day I was like, like I said,
Speaker 1: I barely recognized you.
Speaker 3: I was like doing a good job, and I.
Speaker 6: Would, you know, still not make eye contact. That began
Speaker 6: a period of like looking at the floor everywhere I went,
Speaker 6: because you didn't want to make eye contact with people,
Speaker 6: so you'd be like looking down. And but also do
Speaker 6: I feel like we had I never felt isolated because
Speaker 6: we had such a family in each other and because
Speaker 6: we were on this ride together, and I felt always
Speaker 6: so grateful for that that we really really had each
Speaker 6: other to be experiencing this with and and processing it with,
Speaker 6: you know. And and also that I was pregnant, that
Speaker 6: I you know, I was a newlywed and I was
Speaker 6: starting my family. So I also felt like I had
Speaker 6: really like real world important priorities to be focused on.
Speaker 6: So I wasn't like totally swept up in it, like
Speaker 6: I had this new husband and you know that I
Speaker 6: was mad that I'm still madly in love with, and
Speaker 6: you know, I was pregnant, so I had this thing
Speaker 6: I was protecting my new family. That so I had
Speaker 6: our family and my real family, and so even though
Speaker 6: there was lots of chaos, I did feel like clear
Speaker 6: about the things that mattered.
Speaker 2: You know, do you guys remember Seana had this like that,
Speaker 2: we had like this big I remember, God, it was
Speaker 2: always so scary, But once in a blue moon they
Speaker 2: would be like.
Speaker 5: Everybody stay after the table read and you're like, what
Speaker 5: what is We're all getting fired?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It would always be like pick out the cast and
Speaker 2: Crewe gift for Christmas, or it would be like yes.
Speaker 5: It would be like you're in trouble. But one time
Speaker 5: the talk was.
Speaker 2: You know, she had been through this before with Grey's
Speaker 2: Anatomy and probably learned a lot from that experience. But
Speaker 2: the talk was sort of like anything happens, you call me, do.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like I remember being like, you get in a car accident,
Speaker 2: you call me, like you fuck up?
Speaker 5: You call me?
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to open up to something,
Speaker 2: you know, in two days, knowing that I could have helped,
Speaker 2: besides the fact that I mean, and look, we were.
Speaker 5: All such goodie too shoe like typing.
Speaker 6: Other casts and what they were, and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, we were so good.
Speaker 6: Oh good A lot more drugs apparently, when.
Speaker 2: Any we didn't do any drugs and we only hung
Speaker 2: out with each other.
Speaker 5: We were so lame.
Speaker 2: Like every time we would get to like these gatherings
Speaker 2: where they'd be like all the hot shows of twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: we're all together. It's like we didn't even fucking bother
Speaker 2: talking to any other cast ever. We just hung out
Speaker 2: with each other and.
Speaker 6: Within and within our family. We also weren't like screwing
Speaker 6: each other. Like literally, I tell people all the time,
Speaker 6: like the only time anybody was making out was between
Speaker 6: action and cut, Like, yes, true on camera, but off cameras,
Speaker 6: it's so true to our spouses or our spouses were
Speaker 6: hanging out with us.
Speaker 2: Like yes, it was very very peat. It was very
Speaker 2: R rated on camera and very PG off camera.
Speaker 7: I just was like, g it was very like, Okay,
Speaker 7: we'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 2: Olivia Fan Burning questions for you Gladiators who missed it,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but we put out the Pope signal to
Speaker 2: the Gladiators who delivered very good burning questions for you
Speaker 2: about season three.
Speaker 1: So we have both. We have some that we're going
Speaker 1: to read off, some questions we're gonna read, and then
Speaker 1: some of them we're going to hear the person's voice voicemails.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Okay, so Mari asks.
Speaker 1: In season three, we're introduced to Live's complicated relationship with
Speaker 1: her dad and her dead but not actually but actually
Speaker 1: not dead mom. That got me thinking about what kind
Speaker 1: of angsty teen music Live might have been into when
Speaker 1: she was younger, probably mainly just to piss off Papa Pope.
Speaker 1: It's giving me whole with Courtney Love the group whole.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Carrie, what do you think young
Speaker 1: Olivia Pope was listening to in her angsty times?
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like Jagged Little Pill right, like
Speaker 6: a lot. I think a lot of Alanis and I
Speaker 6: think a lot of Radiohead. I feel like she would
Speaker 6: have been very like I love it like moody because
Speaker 6: it's because I feel like she's a bit of a
Speaker 6: like a resistant romantic, so that Radiohead like melancholy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like oh I feel so deeply and I feel
Speaker 2: like I know things.
Speaker 5: Yes, I love it.
Speaker 1: And then computer, I was just gonna say, I think
Speaker 1: you were saying the same thing. An interesting little fun
Speaker 1: fact is that young Olivia Pope was played by Yaha
Speaker 1: Shahiti and four Blackish Yes.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah yeah Blackish Yeah.
Speaker 3: And she's been quoted about saying how incredible you were
Speaker 3: to her on set and that you showed up to
Speaker 3: set when she was shooting some of her stuff, right,
Speaker 3: and you like spoke to her and wanted to make
Speaker 3: her feel comfortable and.
Speaker 2: Just like Carrie fucking Washington again for people listening, actors
Speaker 2: don't do that.
Speaker 5: They don't come wait.
Speaker 3: Now because of Carrie.
Speaker 2: Like that Washington school of acting, but most people don't
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 6: I feel like I have to now even when I
Speaker 6: don't want to, because people think is what I do?
Speaker 6: Everybody go to ex sept to do somebody they heard
Speaker 6: I did it on Scandal like ship.
Speaker 2: What did you talk to Yara about? Like what were
Speaker 2: were you just like establishing a mother like a younger
Speaker 2: older relationship, Like what were you doing?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that we had
Speaker 6: a sense of each other. That she I mean, first
Speaker 6: of all, I was like, she's so pretty. They think
Speaker 6: that's what I look like. But I would just remember
Speaker 6: like wanting to make sure that we agreed on the choices,
Speaker 6: like what cereals she was eating, or like just and
Speaker 6: just to make her feel welcome.
Speaker 5: And you know, I am this.
Speaker 2: I can't like no one does this, like truly, nobody
Speaker 2: does this. Okay, we've got a voicemail from Skyler in Florida,
Speaker 2: and what is Skyla.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's say what Stylet Florida is saying.
Speaker 6: We don't want to assume you talk like that.
Speaker 5: You don't.
Speaker 2: I just say Florida because that's where my in laws live.
Speaker 2: That's why they talk like that.
Speaker 5: But you do not, Skylar. Okay, let's hear it.
Speaker 4: Hi, Kerrie, Katy and Giama. My name is Skyler and
Speaker 4: I'm from Florida. I'm a new Scandal fan. I've actually
Speaker 4: watched it three and a half time since November. Right
Speaker 4: now it's March, So I think that's enough about my obsession. Carrie,
Speaker 4: you mentioned in your book how your pregnancy here in
Speaker 4: season three required you to adapt the ways you gave
Speaker 4: yourself to Olivia Pope. Besides your physicality, what changed about
Speaker 4: how you played Olivia and what these change is difficult
Speaker 4: to adapt to. Ken, thank you so much and I
Speaker 4: love you all. Blessay.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, we love Skyler.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we love Skylar Skyler.
Speaker 6: Oh god. So it really was just that I had.
Speaker 6: I had. I think so much of how I enter
Speaker 6: a character usually is through physicality, through understanding, like how
Speaker 6: they walk, how they stand, like where they live. In
Speaker 6: my body and so it felt very strange when I
Speaker 6: got pregnant because my body as Carrie was totally transforming,
Speaker 6: but Olivia wasn't supposed to be transforming. So I just
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, I felt like a fraud. I
Speaker 6: felt like I felt like I was betraying her a
Speaker 6: little bit, Like I was changing and she wasn't changing,
Speaker 6: and so I was like not as devoted to her.
Speaker 6: It was really weird. I felt like I was like
Speaker 6: I was betraying her by doing this thing in my
Speaker 6: personal life that was really important to me that I
Speaker 6: wanted to do well. I started seeing a new acting
Speaker 6: coach to figure out, like, Okay, what are other ways
Speaker 6: into her? How can I really fully commit to her
Speaker 6: when my body doesn't belong to her in the same way,
Speaker 6: but I want all the rest of me to belong
Speaker 6: to her, like my heart and my mind and my
Speaker 6: every other cell, and even like, how could I let
Speaker 6: the pregnancy be a part of the essence of her
Speaker 6: even though it wasn't part of her physicality? So it
Speaker 6: was cool because that season, Olivia was hiding a lot
Speaker 6: of things emotionally, and so I started using like hiding
Speaker 6: my pregnancy, my feelings are on hiding my pregnancy. I
Speaker 6: started to lend them into Olivia's feelings about hiding her truth,
Speaker 6: like she was hiding different truths than a pregnancy. But
Speaker 6: I so, I just started looking for ways to to
Speaker 6: kind of pour myself into her, my truths into her,
Speaker 6: even though my body was so different.
Speaker 3: That's so great, car.
Speaker 6: Right, Like you tried, did you?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 5: Could you were?
Speaker 2: I couldn't even imagine like being playing Olivia Pope and
Speaker 2: being pregnant and like wearing those shoes.
Speaker 1: I would have died which swollen ass feet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, at my seat, my feet in both my pregnancies,
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 6: I don't about your feet all the time, Kate on
Speaker 6: the pilot complaining about the shoes.
Speaker 5: But I so.
Speaker 6: My mother told me that when she was pregnant with me,
Speaker 6: her shoe size went up two sue sizes. And I
Speaker 6: love shoes, you know. I love a heel, I love
Speaker 6: you love his shoe.
Speaker 5: I love you're so good in that.
Speaker 6: Would I love a Lubaitton? I love a shoe. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And I was like, I'm not throwing all these shoes away.
Speaker 6: So I actually loved keeping the shoes on because I
Speaker 6: was it was like my version of Japanese foot by name.
Speaker 6: I was not going to let my feet grow. I
Speaker 6: was not going to let my gorgeous shoe collection go
Speaker 6: to waste. To this day, I think my shoes were
Speaker 6: up like my feet maybe would up like a half
Speaker 6: a size. But I squeeze, like like the Cinderella ste sisters,
Speaker 6: like I squeeze into the shoes I love anyway, So yeah,
Speaker 6: I but I yeah, I love the shoes. I never
Speaker 6: complained about the shoes.
Speaker 5: I'm so impressed by that.
Speaker 2: The other member I have of you being pregnant, which
Speaker 2: speaks to Skyler's question, is I think you were there
Speaker 2: two g Also, something happens I think at the end
Speaker 2: of this season where somebody don't pop a Pope shoots
Speaker 2: somebody in Huck's office and it's really scary, and Olivia
Speaker 2: Pope is like screaming like no, no stop.
Speaker 5: It's like really bad.
Speaker 6: I thought my dad would and then I thought my
Speaker 6: dad was dead, like covered and on the floor, and.
Speaker 2: Then they would call cut and we would like go
Speaker 2: down to your belly and we'd be like, but it's
Speaker 2: not fake, it's not me, it's fake.
Speaker 5: We're just like this is a real trauma.
Speaker 6: We're just playing.
Speaker 5: This is I was there.
Speaker 1: I was down at that belly one time and I
Speaker 1: heard a voice talk back and say, back up, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: back up, stop touching my almost belly. You know.
Speaker 6: Really she was like back up, back up, backup. Funny, Yes,
Speaker 6: I remember. I also remember Super Awkward, which Janeau was
Speaker 6: our director. So what episode was that I was so
Speaker 6: pregnant put a staw on it, you know, and told
Speaker 6: things And I had to do this sex scene, this
Speaker 6: love scene with Scott Foley, and I was like twelve
Speaker 6: and a half months pregnant, and I remember this, you know,
Speaker 6: being like, can you guys roll over in bed? And
Speaker 6: it was like stop, like can you roll over this
Speaker 6: mountain of a baby?
Speaker 5: What did you do?
Speaker 6: So we were laughing so hard. We're like in bed
Speaker 6: making out so bad, so bad. I just like also
Speaker 6: would go to my belly and be like, not your dad.
Speaker 6: We're like He's like, we're like pretending to sexy, roll
Speaker 6: over to our side.
Speaker 8: But Scott's like like like himself himself to like leap
Speaker 8: over my belly to get to the other side of
Speaker 8: the god.
Speaker 1: But this is just also but you you being pregnant
Speaker 1: also reminded me of all the wonderful food trends that
Speaker 1: you introduced to me. I'm sure a lot of other people.
Speaker 1: I've spoken about it many a time. The first one
Speaker 1: was our Yes and then the raw organic sour crawt
Speaker 1: with mounds of.
Speaker 5: Mut sweet potatoes.
Speaker 1: She had a peace period, a moment where she was
Speaker 1: obsessed with peas.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We went through a thing of eating a hundred almonds
Speaker 5: that were cooked in the microwaves like.
Speaker 1: Hot sunset, and Katie had the pickles with hummus you had.
Speaker 2: I was I would eat that now, though I would
Speaker 2: eat that now. Okay Brook from Melbourne, good luck on that.
Speaker 1: Do the accent, Katie to the accent for the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Shrimp on the Bobby, You're so bad.
Speaker 2: Okay Brook from Melbourne, Australia asks, one of my favorite
Speaker 2: episodes of all time is Vermont's for Lovers Too. What
Speaker 2: was it like to see the Vermont House for the
Speaker 2: first time and what about Vermont do you think provides
Speaker 2: a sense.
Speaker 5: Of solace for Olitz as well as the audience?
Speaker 2: Those scenes were so magnificant, magnificant.
Speaker 6: So okay, first of all, shout out to the extraordinary
Speaker 6: Ava Duverney because sheed that episode, and it was after
Speaker 6: her feature had been at Sundance and she hadn't yet
Speaker 6: become like the like Crazy Oscar nominated Banana's successful Mogul
Speaker 6: Empire running Ava DuVernay that she is today. But the
Speaker 6: talent was all there, the generosity was all there, the
Speaker 6: fierceness was all there, and she's the exact right person
Speaker 6: to have like found that Vermont house, which I then
Speaker 6: later directed in A bunch of us directed in, but
Speaker 6: she like discovered that house, established that house, put a
Speaker 6: helicopter on the show, like just and that was so
Speaker 6: funny because Okay, years later, maybe I told her the story.
Speaker 6: But years later she directed me in that Apple commercial
Speaker 6: with Taraji and Mary Jim and she called me and
Speaker 6: she was like, you have like a good side and
Speaker 6: a bad side, right, And I was like what And
Speaker 6: she was like, don't you like prefer to only be
Speaker 6: shot from one angle? And I was like, Ava, you
Speaker 6: have the wrong like that that is not me, Like
Speaker 6: I don't care who sheould be from the bottom from
Speaker 6: the top side. Decided like just tell the story, but
Speaker 6: like she was like, no, there was something. There was
Speaker 6: something And I was like, I don't know who she's
Speaker 6: confusing me with and then she called me back and
Speaker 6: she was like, I know what it was. You were pregnant.
Speaker 6: And she was like, so I couldn't show from the
Speaker 6: waist down, like we had to do this again, this
Speaker 6: love scene of like you and Tony kissing. But I
Speaker 6: just remember being like, I can't go past her waist
Speaker 6: because she's got this belly. So I was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you don't have to worry about that now babies are out,
Speaker 6: and shoot me however you want. But she was so
Speaker 6: amazing and that episode was so amazing. And I think
Speaker 6: I don't know what it is that Shanda loves about
Speaker 6: Vermont that she wrote it, but it is perfect because
Speaker 6: does feel like the perfect hideaway, romantic estate, perfect for Olitz.
Speaker 6: And I think of them often like being happy. I
Speaker 6: think they're happy in Vermont, you guys. I think they're
Speaker 6: making jam. I think they do like I do. I
Speaker 6: think they do like occasional political consulting. I think they
Speaker 6: like fly in and consult you know, kind of like
Speaker 6: Judy Smith, Like you never know where Judy is. She
Speaker 6: just shows uff at a crisis to fix stuff.
Speaker 4: So do that.
Speaker 6: I think that, Like he's a former president who like
Speaker 6: Obama like sweeps in to do important things in the
Speaker 6: world and maybe produces documentaries like the Obamas, and she's
Speaker 6: like out there being a fixer. But their home base
Speaker 6: is in Vermont. I think that they're that they're still
Speaker 6: in love.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 2: My parents live there and I go there all the time,
Speaker 2: and I can't ever think about First of all, it
Speaker 2: is it's the best, Like it's amazing, it's so beautiful,
Speaker 2: and it's so like progressive and cool and feels like
Speaker 2: this sort of like utopia.
Speaker 6: It's so wonderful, like that's where they should be.
Speaker 5: More food. It's a culinary podcast. We've tricked you all.
Speaker 3: Should we ask we ask another question? Should we ask
Speaker 3: one more question?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: So Hillary asks, can you please ask Carrie to rank
Speaker 1: her love interest on Scandal from Olivia's perspective and then
Speaker 1: from your own perspective in terms of compatibility. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: So this is a this is like a freaking Jepardy question.
Speaker 4: This is good.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, Okay, I don't I'm not going to
Speaker 6: rank them as Carrie that just feels yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 6: I always felt like any guy who showed up to
Speaker 6: be one of Olivia's love interests was like doing a
Speaker 6: service to the show, and so I'm so appreciative that
Speaker 6: they came in and took their clothes off. And I
Speaker 6: mean I but and also such nice guys, right like
Speaker 6: Brian wall Hernandez normally such nice, lovely, lovely human beings.
Speaker 6: Scott Foley not so much.
Speaker 1: That's public knowledge, yes, yeah.
Speaker 6: And then of course Tony Goldban is like my favorite,
Speaker 6: one of my favorite human beings on the planet in
Speaker 6: the galaxy. He's just the best. And I love Scott.
Speaker 6: I love Scott of course, well this girl.
Speaker 5: Loves Scott too.
Speaker 2: Who wrote in Mariah Aka at Jake Ballard's bay, hey
Speaker 2: on TikTok asks everyone me wants confirmation that Olivia did
Speaker 2: indeed love Jake to some extent. The Olitz stands keeps
Speaker 2: coming for me. But I always make videos saying Jake
Speaker 2: was the better guy. He always made sure she was
Speaker 2: eating and dancing and other stuff to keep this. But
Speaker 2: she did love Jake like that was her person, her bestie.
Speaker 2: She just wasn't in love with him like she was
Speaker 2: with Fit. Maybe I'm just Delulu, Oh Delulu, I love it.
Speaker 2: But if I am, I'm not the only Delulu Gladiator
Speaker 2: for o Lake.
Speaker 5: Thanks besties, thank you.
Speaker 6: And that was a beautiful draaddic reading. I agree with her.
Speaker 6: I agree with her. I think that Olivia and Jake
Speaker 6: really did love each other. I think she does love him,
Speaker 6: And I actually love that about Shonda's writing, that that
Speaker 6: you actually can have more than one person in your life, right,
Speaker 6: that you can love more than one person, but your
Speaker 6: one final person that you end up with is the
Speaker 6: one final person you end up with, right, Like I
Speaker 6: think that Olitz is Olitz, and I do in my
Speaker 6: mind and heart believe that they're happy together now. But
Speaker 6: I think that Olake was a real thing, and I
Speaker 6: do think that Jake. I think she's right, like, Jake
Speaker 6: loved Olivia in ways that were really important, and he
Speaker 6: taught her a lot. They taught each other a lot.
Speaker 6: They really they had a different kind of intimacy that
Speaker 6: I think was really really special, and I love their relationship.
Speaker 6: I think the show would not have been the show
Speaker 6: without Olake. They think in many ways, like you appreciate
Speaker 6: you appreciate Olitz because you know that it was even more.
Speaker 6: It was a different kind of love that when beyond Olake,
Speaker 6: but Olake helps you understand what Olitz is right, So yeah,
Speaker 6: I agree, And I think also, you know, when I
Speaker 6: was talking about these other guys who would come onto
Speaker 6: the show, I also think like the role that Scott
Speaker 6: fully played in in like really leaning into the uniqueness
Speaker 6: of their love and and understanding what Olitz was but
Speaker 6: still holding space for Olake. I don't think there's a
Speaker 6: lot of actors that could have help that space the
Speaker 6: way Scott fully did. Like he's such a he's such
Speaker 6: an incredible human being and such an incredible actor, and
Speaker 6: and you know had had the fan base around OLiS
Speaker 6: that he did, and but Scott. It takes somebody with
Speaker 6: Scott's level of like talent and like he's so attractive
Speaker 6: and so likable and so accessible, like you you love him,
Speaker 6: like you can't not love him, and that we needed and.
Speaker 2: Ask Scott so pro level at it, Like he's made
Speaker 2: a whole I feel like so much of his career
Speaker 2: has been love Tryangle. Yes, Yeah, that's the whole show
Speaker 2: is like him their Speedmen and Felicity. Like he's done
Speaker 2: that for four between those two shows, that's literally fourteen
Speaker 2: years of living in a love trying.
Speaker 6: I think that's a superpower. I think somebody who like
Speaker 6: is very very very very loved and very very very
Speaker 6: very hated, and to hold that space of like I'm
Speaker 6: not threatened, I'm I can hold all of that energy
Speaker 6: and just show up every day and be that and
Speaker 6: let fans like spin out of control because they love
Speaker 6: me so much or hate me so much. Like it
Speaker 6: takes a special human being to do that. And I think,
Speaker 6: I just think Scott is He's He's he's the best.
Speaker 6: He's the best, right, He's just.
Speaker 1: Like and a great director, and he directed us a
Speaker 1: bunch of times.
Speaker 3: On the show.
Speaker 6: And sure I learned so much from Scott as a director.
Speaker 6: And I would say I learned just as much from
Speaker 6: Scott when he wasn't directing about nothing, because we would
Speaker 6: have a director on set and I would look over
Speaker 6: it at Scott and he would be like, why are
Speaker 6: we doing that? And I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 6: And He's like, we could be home an hour earlier
Speaker 6: if we put a camera here, in a camera here,
Speaker 6: and a camera here, and I'd be.
Speaker 5: Like, oh, wow, we rehearsing a scene.
Speaker 6: We'd be rehearsing a scene and I'd be like, well,
Speaker 6: I'd be like, my character would stand over here, and
Speaker 6: he'd be like, if your character stands over there, Carrie,
Speaker 6: we are going to be here for another two hours.
Speaker 8: And I'd be like, he's got it, so he.
Speaker 6: But he's But also he wasn't like phoning it in.
Speaker 6: He wasn't like, don't stand over there because then we
Speaker 6: can't go home. He was like, how can we make
Speaker 6: the scene work.
Speaker 5: And how we be efficient and honor of the scene. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we will be back with more after the break.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, before we move, We're going to hit the
Speaker 2: episode really quickly.
Speaker 5: But I'm going to do g let's do it. I
Speaker 5: know it's going to be that's only gonna be last
Speaker 5: five minutes because that's how we do this.
Speaker 2: But wait, thank you, We're gonna do a speed round
Speaker 2: of the last like few questions that fans have asked,
Speaker 2: because I want them to get them in.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's hear from Frankie and Ruby Ontario.
Speaker 4: If Olivia could season three, So one piece of advice,
Speaker 4: what do you think it would be and how do
Speaker 4: you imagine it would have altered the course of season three?
Speaker 6: That's all I have to say. By one piece of advice,
Speaker 6: I think about like Vermont is for the lovers. So
Speaker 6: I'm thinking about that episode, So I would say, like,
Speaker 6: just trust that it's going to be okay, Like it
Speaker 6: feels like the romance trauma feels so overwhelming, but it's
Speaker 6: gonna be okay.
Speaker 5: Love it.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's good. That's always do it. That's always good advice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well go and cheat that homegirl, gun cheat that
Speaker 1: ask there's one thing Carrie could change about Olivia?
Speaker 3: What would it be?
Speaker 6: Oh, I wouldn't change a thing about Eliza. Yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 6: I love her. I love her messy, awesome journey. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I just love her. I guess maybe you know. And
Speaker 6: I think about like Carrie pregnant walking down the hall,
Speaker 6: like I was trying to do the Olivia Pope walk.
Speaker 6: It was more like an Olivia Pope waddle. I remember,
Speaker 6: like I remember, I had like tension. I remember I
Speaker 6: had to go to like a physical therapist because my
Speaker 6: inner thighs were so tense because I was trying to
Speaker 6: keep my walk like on Olivia Pope walk.
Speaker 5: Pope's signature walk is not fucking around.
Speaker 6: It's it was a thing. But so I guess I would.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't change a thing about her. I really wouldn't.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1: There's one question here, it's such a good no no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ash a ka, it's it's Tony Braxton on Twitter
Speaker 2: asks me, first, why is there no receptionist that Olivia
Speaker 2: Pope and associates and firing one.
Speaker 6: We never trusted anybody enough to.
Speaker 1: Be exactly, yes, agreed all the rest right, We were
Speaker 1: all the rest exactly.
Speaker 6: There was no hierarchy. It was very much like all
Speaker 6: for one, one for all, So having a receptionist would
Speaker 6: be like somebody working for us. But we were all
Speaker 6: working for each other all the time.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, Yeah, I couldn't trust We couldn't trust a receptionist,
Speaker 2: although no one was kind of a receptionist Season one
Speaker 2: and her sister I.
Speaker 5: Got people coffee. Okay.
Speaker 2: Second, what do you think Olivia Pope would be up
Speaker 2: to these days, which we've already addressed. She's in Vermont,
Speaker 2: she's Judy smith ing, She's kind of going around consulting.
Speaker 5: Is she maybe also encouraging everyone to vote.
Speaker 6: A hundred person after stealing an election?
Speaker 8: She?
Speaker 6: I do? I think she would. I think part of
Speaker 6: what Olivia like, part of the framework of who Olivia
Speaker 6: Pope is she really wants people to know that they matter,
Speaker 6: Like she really has so much compassion for people, and
Speaker 6: she's so non judgmental. She really she understands that you
Speaker 6: are not who you are on your worst day, that
Speaker 6: everybody deserves a second chance, that we all matter, that
Speaker 6: we all are important, we're all like equal children of God.
Speaker 6: So in that vein like, yes, voting is really important
Speaker 6: to her, like she wants people to know that they
Speaker 6: matter and that this democracy only works when we all
Speaker 6: show up. And now, more than ever, like this, we
Speaker 6: are at a time in this country where I know
Speaker 6: that you might feel like you don't matter. I know
Speaker 6: that you might feel like these systems don't work for you.
Speaker 6: I know that you might feel like no matter what
Speaker 6: you do, things stay the same, and the powerful people
Speaker 6: have stuff and the rest of us don't. I get that.
Speaker 6: I get those feelings. But the only way it changes
Speaker 6: is if we show up in faith and say, like,
Speaker 6: I think I can help make it better. That's what
Speaker 6: we need. We need everybody to feel like maybe if
Speaker 6: you show up, you can help make it better, because
Speaker 6: it's only going to get better if we all show up,
Speaker 6: and it's not going to happen overnight. It's not going
Speaker 6: to be one president. It's not going to be one
Speaker 6: person who fixes it. Like I keep saying to people,
Speaker 6: each and every one of us, we are the Olivia
Speaker 6: Popes of our lives, of our communities, Like we have
Speaker 6: the power to transform this world. But we have to
Speaker 6: show up and we have to believe that, and we
Speaker 6: can't leave it to one president or it's like all
Speaker 6: the little elections, the mayors and the sheriffs and the judges,
Speaker 6: and it's about just showing up and trying. We have
Speaker 6: to try. I feel like that's so opa, right, like
Speaker 6: over a cliff. Yeah, yeah, we have to be there
Speaker 6: for each other.
Speaker 5: Over a cliff, for this place.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is what we're talking about today, which we've
Speaker 2: got a QW things that you can easily answer.
Speaker 5: It's episode three oh.
Speaker 2: Two guests Who's Coming to Dinner which aired on October
Speaker 2: tenth in twenty thirteen, and.
Speaker 1: It was written by Heather Mitchell and directed by Alison
Speaker 1: Lady Brown You.
Speaker 5: Love Alison Brown, Alison.
Speaker 2: It was guest starring Norm Lewis's Senator Edison Davis, Dan
Speaker 2: w Bailey, Is Noah Elliott.
Speaker 1: Kate McGregor Stewart is married and Kristen Carrey as Brooke Foster.
Speaker 5: Gee, you want to do a synopsis for me?
Speaker 6: Baby, Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Let's you do it? You do it?
Speaker 5: Should we do it in heart and sync?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's try that.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: Okay, ready because Carrie's here are number one person? Ready, one, two, three,
Speaker 2: go Whie houses plans. We're giving flashbacks to her.
Speaker 6: Father's dinners and relationship with howk grew. In the end,
Speaker 6: some shocking secrets are revealed, like.
Speaker 1: Learned to love a big, big glass of wine and
Speaker 1: what happened to Jake Ballard.
Speaker 2: This is where here's the biggest things that we need
Speaker 2: to just talk about very quickly before you go. Your
Speaker 2: looks shift a bunch in this episode. It's crazy, like
Speaker 2: there's all these flashbacks to you having dinners with your
Speaker 2: father Pope and g being Haggrid huck in the thing,
Speaker 2: and you get your bag stolen and and you start
Speaker 2: to put together to your dad like there was this
Speaker 2: guy and he helped me, and your dad is like dadada,
Speaker 2: and you were like the guy brought up B six
Speaker 2: thirteen and your dad is like what, And then you
Speaker 2: take your dad's pen, and you figure out where hawk
Speaker 2: is from. And you're standing on the corner of Wonderland
Speaker 2: Avenue in front of acne paper and you look at
Speaker 2: the pen that your dad gave you and it says
Speaker 2: the same fucking pen. And you put it all together
Speaker 2: and you learn this episode your dad is command and
Speaker 2: that Huck was part of the whole thing.
Speaker 5: It's crazy and you it's so amazing. Do you remember
Speaker 5: picking these?
Speaker 2: So this was when you wore your hair in like
Speaker 2: a bang with like a curlly.
Speaker 5: Can you talk to us this episode? It was so big?
Speaker 2: How you and Linda via Lobos, who I love so much,
Speaker 2: shout out to the greatest hair.
Speaker 5: This is not a hair, got it? Do you remember
Speaker 5: picking these? This hair? And like, how and why?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: Unbelievable, it's my favorite Olivia hair.
Speaker 6: I don't I just remember. I mean that we had
Speaker 6: so many wigs, remember who was like people would laugh
Speaker 6: at how many wigs we would have on our show.
Speaker 6: It was just like end.
Speaker 3: And it was like there were several people wearing wigs.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, yes, gosh no, but it's so fun. It's
Speaker 6: so fun to see these pictures.
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't you love your coats?
Speaker 2: Let me see these, It's we always do Olivia Pope's
Speaker 2: fashion moment.
Speaker 5: These coats are unbelievable.
Speaker 6: In this episode, Paolo, Linda was amazing because Linda came
Speaker 6: So I met Linda many many years ago. We had
Speaker 6: done a bunch of movies together. But her, like sure,
Speaker 6: like what I always think is her coolest credit on
Speaker 6: her resume is that she did in Living Color with
Speaker 6: the Waynes Brothers in the like back in the day
Speaker 6: when Jlo.
Speaker 7: Was a weekend Yeah, all those crazy wigs right, like
Speaker 7: that sketch comedy world where it was like a different
Speaker 7: way every five minutes.
Speaker 6: And like big bald, awesome character changes through costume and
Speaker 6: makeup and wigs. So she's just a master at her craft.
Speaker 6: And she did this job, an incredible job of tracking
Speaker 6: Olivia through hair. It was like the big one of
Speaker 6: the biggest ways that we told story about where Olivia
Speaker 6: was in time and emotionally was with her hair.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I mean I remember being in the shower and like
Speaker 6: having that wet Olivia curler, being out on the island
Speaker 6: with Jake when we escaped curly hair. People were like, what,
Speaker 6: like she really you know she was?
Speaker 1: She was so awesome and in that run episode. Remember
Speaker 1: the episode when you're running with like a camera in
Speaker 1: front of you and your hair is all like supernatural
Speaker 1: and beautiful.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, it was so messy.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Fait, We always do you.
Speaker 2: We do Kerry Washington school of acting on this podcast
Speaker 2: where we talked about who who won? We do Olivia
Speaker 2: Pope fashion moments. Okay, this episode really didn't have any
Speaker 2: like big things. We always do Kerry Washington School of
Speaker 2: Acting moments where it's like who won the scenes of this.
Speaker 5: Episode, and you and Papa Pope have the most amazing
Speaker 5: scenes in this episode. It's so great.
Speaker 2: But then my favorite end of the episode, actually, if
Speaker 2: you remember shooting this, Huck slams Olivia Pope up against
Speaker 2: a car and has her jaw like this because he
Speaker 2: finds out that your dad is command and is the
Speaker 2: person that took his whole life away and threw him
Speaker 2: in a hole in all of this, right, like, when
Speaker 2: do you remember shooting that?
Speaker 6: Nope?
Speaker 5: Is remember shooting that?
Speaker 1: I remember shooting you know what?
Speaker 3: I remember.
Speaker 1: I remember being really disturbed and upsets that I had
Speaker 1: to do that, that Huck had to do that to
Speaker 1: live because I felt it was it was it wasn't right,
Speaker 1: like if.
Speaker 3: It didn't feel it didn't feel.
Speaker 1: Correct for Huck to react that way and put his
Speaker 1: hands on her. I remember having a problem with that,
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean, you can't but remember.
Speaker 5: The last best part of this episode.
Speaker 2: Really is that we learn in these back flashes you're
Speaker 2: having dinner with Papa Pope his house and he's like,
Speaker 2: would you know he's making this like ridiculously amazing steak
Speaker 2: or something, and he's like, would you like wine? You're like,
Speaker 2: I don't drink wine, and of course the whole audience
Speaker 2: is like, Olivia popes like wine and he's like, it's
Speaker 2: because you've never had good wine. And then he pours
Speaker 2: you something that's delicious and we see, which I thought
Speaker 2: was so brilliant, but we see for the first time
Speaker 2: it's like you're acting in this moment, is like it's
Speaker 2: like the Nectar of the Gods has like touched your
Speaker 2: mouth and you on her obsession with red wine and
Speaker 2: we get to see it and that she only likes
Speaker 2: good wine and that that was something that was introduced
Speaker 2: to her by her father, and that that was something
Speaker 2: that didn't used to happen in her life. She didn't
Speaker 2: used to chug goblets of red wine. I mean, it
Speaker 2: was like so fucking hilarious.
Speaker 6: Shout out to our scandal writers. I just love that
Speaker 6: they meant stuff like that, that we got to that
Speaker 6: we got to build. I love that our show was
Speaker 6: always moving forward but always moving backward. That we as
Speaker 6: we were like you know, progressing plot, we were also
Speaker 6: filling in the past all the time. Yes, sort of
Speaker 6: the DNA of the show. And I just I love it.
Speaker 6: I love that we just were always kind of growing
Speaker 6: our roots and our leaves right like constantly with these cameras.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so fun.
Speaker 3: True, that's true.
Speaker 6: I am so appalled at how little I remember, But
Speaker 6: it was it was the whirlwind of you know, these
Speaker 6: sixteen hour days of I've just it was such a
Speaker 6: high volume of material that I was having to metabolize
Speaker 6: all the time that it was like in and out,
Speaker 6: in and out, Like it was really I really I
Speaker 6: think about it. I'm like, I feel like when people
Speaker 6: talk about how they don't remember stuff when they channel,
Speaker 6: like you know, like like people who channel ancestors or
Speaker 6: they're like.
Speaker 2: Hypnotized, They're like hypnotized, they're like on a different plane
Speaker 2: it has been working through me constantly, and just I
Speaker 2: was like, the special the most lines probably in the
Speaker 2: history of television, ninetyay pages.
Speaker 6: It's funny because now anytime that I'm on a set
Speaker 6: and somebody's like, ooh, today's a heavy day for you,
Speaker 6: I laugh. I'm like you and you're.
Speaker 3: Like, this is heavy, kidding me, Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's like kidding me. Or like the other day on
Speaker 6: the show, I'm I'm on a half hour comedy.
Speaker 2: And I do President's Amazing.
Speaker 6: And my character does these really fun like little monologues
Speaker 6: on Instagram. And the other day we had an actor
Speaker 6: who had we had an emergency on set and so
Speaker 6: they were like, we had to pivot, we had to
Speaker 6: shoot something else, and they were like, do you think
Speaker 6: you could memorize the monologues? And I turned to Sherry,
Speaker 6: who's my makeup bars on and it was also my
Speaker 6: makeup bars on piano, and I was like, Sherry, do
Speaker 6: you think I can memorize the monologues? And She's like,
Speaker 6: yeahtect me like it's.
Speaker 1: So it's say yeah, but you also you have to
Speaker 1: let that stuff go. It has to go in and
Speaker 1: out or else you don't have the bandwidth for something new, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I think Katie is the only actor I know that
Speaker 1: can recite a soliloquy from a freaking placed like ten
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: Working early on I've still got but I can't tell
Speaker 2: you like and everything else is put into.
Speaker 5: The short term bad it goes.
Speaker 6: I think part of that too is also being a
Speaker 6: mom and a wife, right, is that like I wasn't
Speaker 6: at a certain point, I didn't have the luxury like
Speaker 6: in college where you would remember stuff and you'd you'd
Speaker 6: live with it and you'd sleep with it, and you'd
Speaker 6: go home and think, I remember when I did Last
Speaker 6: King of Scotland, Like I was that character all the time.
Speaker 6: I was like in my hotel like I was heard
Speaker 6: like all the.
Speaker 1: Time, what a nightmare.
Speaker 6: But I couldn't Like I couldn't do that on Scandal.
Speaker 6: I didn't like a toddler. I wasn't gonna go home
Speaker 6: and be like, it's my name on that door, like
Speaker 6: you got to let that go and like you know,
Speaker 6: like can you imagine namdu space my name on that.
Speaker 5: Door handles there's people, let's go.
Speaker 6: Let's go. Solid food starts this week.
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think we forgot anything. G did
Speaker 2: we forget anything before.
Speaker 1: I think we got and then you guys next listeners.
Speaker 5: Episode three oh three, Missus.
Speaker 2: Smith goes to Washington. I don't remember what the hell
Speaker 2: that is or we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh, she's the one that puts makes a bomb and
Speaker 1: straps it on her body.
Speaker 3: Carry Do you remember that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember all the lasers and the right.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: Really intense episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Me and Carrie thank you so much for so much.
Speaker 2: Person to come and have do audience participation.
Speaker 5: It was the best having you. Gladiator sending question is
Speaker 5: the greatest.
Speaker 2: And someday when you rewatch, when you're really think you're
Speaker 2: gonna do it, when you're like eighty.
Speaker 1: We should do it all together. We should have like
Speaker 1: a hang and watch like a bunch of episodes together.
Speaker 5: Fun Carrie, because you didn't really remember.
Speaker 2: Any like I don't remember any of it either, and
Speaker 2: I had nothing con bear to you. But Quinn comes
Speaker 2: in there, I'm like, what ye.
Speaker 1: What am I doing?
Speaker 2: Like we just got to the scene where Honk and
Speaker 2: Quinn like hook up for the first time, and I
Speaker 2: didn't know that was coming.
Speaker 5: Did you hear?
Speaker 3: No at all?
Speaker 5: No idea? What's happening and it's so fun.
Speaker 6: Can we also, I like, I know we keep saying it,
Speaker 6: but it's so overdue, Like I miss you guys. We
Speaker 6: need to get to get there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like, yo, we need and it doesn't need
Speaker 2: you know, we should have to have a dinner.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think we need to have like an east coast
Speaker 6: and a west coast because I know that's where I
Speaker 6: not everybody's here and not everybody's there, So maybe we
Speaker 6: just need to do like we're going to do an
Speaker 6: eaper coast and a west coast and west there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 2: Everybody get Carrie's book. Everybody watching? Yeah, so everybody rewatch
Speaker 2: Scandal on Hulu. What else am I missing? Any of
Speaker 2: the plugs?
Speaker 6: Noo oh, that's it.
Speaker 3: We had Carrie Washington on. Thank you, carry love you.
Speaker 5: Thank you, love you so much. You're the greatest orlest
Speaker 5: my may.
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Speaker 2: Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alcea, Lauren Homan,
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Speaker 2: Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.
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