1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:17,986 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. Hey everyone, We're just a couple 3 00:00:17,986 --> 00:00:20,146 Speaker 1: of weeks away from one of the biggest events on 4 00:00:20,186 --> 00:00:22,866 Speaker 1: the NFL calendar, and no doubt a day a number 5 00:00:22,866 --> 00:00:25,666 Speaker 1: of young players are going to remember for the rest 6 00:00:25,666 --> 00:00:27,986 Speaker 1: of their lives. Of course, I'm talking about the NFL Draft, 7 00:00:28,066 --> 00:00:30,626 Speaker 1: where stars from college while have a chance to embrace 8 00:00:30,666 --> 00:00:33,786 Speaker 1: the commissioner was probably a little more forced than it 9 00:00:33,866 --> 00:00:36,186 Speaker 1: is appreciated in front of millions of fans. It is 10 00:00:36,226 --> 00:00:40,066 Speaker 1: the NFL Explained podcast the NFL Draft. I'm like, yeah, hey, 11 00:00:40,066 --> 00:00:44,826 Speaker 1: Adedy Kinkabwalla, good morning, Mike. I'm laughing thinking about intricate 12 00:00:44,866 --> 00:00:49,026 Speaker 1: handshakes and bear hugs and the commissioner being picked up 13 00:00:49,066 --> 00:00:54,026 Speaker 1: on stage by one especially excited drafty. Are you a 14 00:00:54,066 --> 00:00:56,546 Speaker 1: bear hug person? I feel like in that moment, I 15 00:00:56,586 --> 00:00:59,986 Speaker 1: totally would be would you not? No, you got it 16 00:01:00,066 --> 00:01:02,146 Speaker 1: to me? Um, I'd be a bear hug person. You 17 00:01:02,226 --> 00:01:04,066 Speaker 1: can to me in my life just changed. It's it's 18 00:01:04,066 --> 00:01:06,946 Speaker 1: all the hard work, my entire of dedicating myself to 19 00:01:06,986 --> 00:01:08,586 Speaker 1: trying to be the best I can be, and then 20 00:01:08,626 --> 00:01:10,226 Speaker 1: it comes to fruition and I get drafted by an 21 00:01:10,306 --> 00:01:13,506 Speaker 1: NFL team. Yeah, I'm bear hug to be tears or 22 00:01:13,666 --> 00:01:16,986 Speaker 1: just big smile. There might be I'll embrace it. I 23 00:01:17,306 --> 00:01:19,266 Speaker 1: can be that kind of guy. So yeah, there might 24 00:01:19,266 --> 00:01:22,746 Speaker 1: be a tear or two shed tears. Well, you know what, 25 00:01:22,906 --> 00:01:25,266 Speaker 1: it's the raw emotion that is part of why the 26 00:01:25,346 --> 00:01:29,146 Speaker 1: draft has exploded. It takes up a primetime TV slot. 27 00:01:29,506 --> 00:01:33,546 Speaker 1: There's a red carpet now for players and their moms sometimes, 28 00:01:33,546 --> 00:01:38,146 Speaker 1: and it's changed venues in recent years. We are going 29 00:01:38,186 --> 00:01:40,266 Speaker 1: to get to that because it is one of my 30 00:01:40,426 --> 00:01:44,146 Speaker 1: favorite parts of the draft coming up this year, the giant, 31 00:01:44,386 --> 00:01:48,106 Speaker 1: grown up playground that is Las Vegas. But to see 32 00:01:48,186 --> 00:01:51,026 Speaker 1: just how far we've come, Mike, we really should take 33 00:01:51,026 --> 00:01:53,866 Speaker 1: our listeners back to a time when there was actually 34 00:01:53,866 --> 00:01:56,946 Speaker 1: no film to watch on potential prospects, and there were 35 00:01:56,986 --> 00:02:00,786 Speaker 1: no mock drafts. There was no scouting come by, none 36 00:02:00,786 --> 00:02:03,586 Speaker 1: of that. And then there's actually, you know what, Mike, 37 00:02:03,986 --> 00:02:06,946 Speaker 1: before the draft, there was the pre draft years and 38 00:02:06,986 --> 00:02:10,426 Speaker 1: the pre draft years. The Bears, the Packers, the Giants 39 00:02:10,466 --> 00:02:13,826 Speaker 1: were the ones that just dominated the league because they're 40 00:02:13,826 --> 00:02:15,586 Speaker 1: the ones that had the most money and they could 41 00:02:15,586 --> 00:02:18,306 Speaker 1: sign the top college players, guys like Red Grange and 42 00:02:19,026 --> 00:02:22,946 Speaker 1: Don Hudson. So it was really Burt Bell, who was 43 00:02:23,026 --> 00:02:26,426 Speaker 1: Philadelphia's co owner and by the way, a future commissioner, 44 00:02:26,826 --> 00:02:30,106 Speaker 1: who proposed a draft for the first time in nineteen 45 00:02:30,226 --> 00:02:33,706 Speaker 1: thirty six, and his argument at the time was that 46 00:02:33,746 --> 00:02:37,426 Speaker 1: it would increase competition and it would make all of 47 00:02:37,466 --> 00:02:42,066 Speaker 1: the nine franchises financially viable. And February eighth of that year, 48 00:02:42,266 --> 00:02:46,586 Speaker 1: all of the NFL owners unanimously approved that idea. And 49 00:02:46,946 --> 00:02:50,426 Speaker 1: while the order of the draft still generally remains worse 50 00:02:50,506 --> 00:02:53,946 Speaker 1: to first, although there's been some conversation about a lottery, Mike, 51 00:02:54,106 --> 00:02:57,106 Speaker 1: But anyway, as of now, the draft is still worse 52 00:02:57,186 --> 00:03:01,866 Speaker 1: to first. The mechanics surrounding it are very very different. 53 00:03:02,066 --> 00:03:07,546 Speaker 1: No lottery, no lottery, please do it. Um no, I'm good, 54 00:03:07,746 --> 00:03:10,426 Speaker 1: I'm good with this. I I'm I'm a planner. I 55 00:03:10,546 --> 00:03:13,186 Speaker 1: like to know what is about to happen. The lottery 56 00:03:13,866 --> 00:03:16,586 Speaker 1: would be complete chaos, and then those mock drafts just 57 00:03:16,586 --> 00:03:18,546 Speaker 1: would feel a whole lot different for me, and Lord knows, 58 00:03:18,666 --> 00:03:21,626 Speaker 1: I live in the world of mock drafts. But um, 59 00:03:21,706 --> 00:03:23,706 Speaker 1: kudos to Burke Bell, by the way, because that is, 60 00:03:23,786 --> 00:03:26,866 Speaker 1: I mean, great idea obviously, Um you know, and I 61 00:03:26,866 --> 00:03:29,466 Speaker 1: think we take for granted what the draft is and 62 00:03:29,706 --> 00:03:33,786 Speaker 1: trying to maintain a certain level of of competition. But 63 00:03:33,866 --> 00:03:36,506 Speaker 1: let's continue going down memory lane here. So in year 64 00:03:36,586 --> 00:03:39,746 Speaker 1: number one, it was nine rounds and nine teams. And 65 00:03:39,786 --> 00:03:41,986 Speaker 1: if you're like nine teams won't trust us, you can 66 00:03:41,986 --> 00:03:43,706 Speaker 1: go back to one of our early episodes where we 67 00:03:43,706 --> 00:03:45,746 Speaker 1: go through the names and the history of the NFL 68 00:03:45,746 --> 00:03:48,386 Speaker 1: and those franchises. It's actually our first two episodes of 69 00:03:48,426 --> 00:03:50,986 Speaker 1: this podcast, so highly encourage you to go back. But 70 00:03:51,186 --> 00:03:53,266 Speaker 1: indeed you hit the nail on the head. No tape 71 00:03:53,266 --> 00:03:57,786 Speaker 1: to analyze, no combine, complete chaos. In my mind. Selections 72 00:03:57,826 --> 00:04:00,706 Speaker 1: were made from newspaper clippings and word of mouth. So 73 00:04:00,866 --> 00:04:04,466 Speaker 1: think old school Twitter when I say newspaper clippings. Instead 74 00:04:04,466 --> 00:04:07,186 Speaker 1: of looking on the screen, there actually hard copy. Your 75 00:04:07,186 --> 00:04:09,106 Speaker 1: fingers would have a little ink on them and not 76 00:04:09,186 --> 00:04:11,066 Speaker 1: feel great after you read them. But the point is 77 00:04:11,426 --> 00:04:14,186 Speaker 1: that's how teams were trying to figure out who they 78 00:04:14,226 --> 00:04:18,266 Speaker 1: should take. Draft selections were untimed. Oh boy, and the 79 00:04:18,346 --> 00:04:21,546 Speaker 1: league pulled together a listed ninety players written on a 80 00:04:21,586 --> 00:04:24,426 Speaker 1: blackboard where teams could make their picks a D D. 81 00:04:24,706 --> 00:04:26,706 Speaker 1: Something tells me your handwriting better than mine. But you 82 00:04:26,786 --> 00:04:29,426 Speaker 1: had that's an important job, whoever it was writing those 83 00:04:29,506 --> 00:04:32,026 Speaker 1: names up on the big board. Uh. With the first 84 00:04:32,106 --> 00:04:35,426 Speaker 1: ever pick in the NFL Draft, the Eagles actually selected 85 00:04:35,746 --> 00:04:39,866 Speaker 1: University Chicago's Jay berg Wagner. He was the nineteen thirty 86 00:04:39,906 --> 00:04:43,346 Speaker 1: five Heisman Trophy winner. Now, when the Eagles felt like 87 00:04:43,426 --> 00:04:46,146 Speaker 1: they couldn't meet his demands of a thousand dollars a 88 00:04:46,186 --> 00:04:48,506 Speaker 1: game of d D, they decided to trade his rights 89 00:04:48,906 --> 00:04:51,786 Speaker 1: to the Bears. Well, we just talked about the Bears 90 00:04:51,866 --> 00:04:54,746 Speaker 1: being one of the richer original clubs, right, so could 91 00:04:54,746 --> 00:04:58,186 Speaker 1: they pay him k is what he was asking for? 92 00:04:58,426 --> 00:05:01,466 Speaker 1: George Hollis is like, M, I don't know about that. 93 00:05:01,786 --> 00:05:05,066 Speaker 1: How about this? He decided to go work for a 94 00:05:05,186 --> 00:05:08,986 Speaker 1: rubber company instead. But can you imagine in this day 95 00:05:09,026 --> 00:05:11,386 Speaker 1: and age, you go play in the NFL or you 96 00:05:11,386 --> 00:05:14,066 Speaker 1: can go work in a rubber company. I don't know 97 00:05:14,106 --> 00:05:16,066 Speaker 1: that you can find a rubber company that could pay 98 00:05:16,066 --> 00:05:19,306 Speaker 1: more than an NFL salary these days. Uh. That's actually 99 00:05:19,306 --> 00:05:21,306 Speaker 1: a really good point, even at that league minimum. So, 100 00:05:21,426 --> 00:05:23,666 Speaker 1: with the draft gaining a ton of steam, the l 101 00:05:23,746 --> 00:05:26,826 Speaker 1: A Rams were the first team to hire a full 102 00:05:26,866 --> 00:05:29,906 Speaker 1: time scout and it paid dividends. They reached the championship 103 00:05:29,906 --> 00:05:33,506 Speaker 1: game three times over the next five seasons, including one title. 104 00:05:34,066 --> 00:05:37,466 Speaker 1: Kudos to the scouting departments across the NFL. So when 105 00:05:37,506 --> 00:05:39,586 Speaker 1: the a f L arrived on the scene as a 106 00:05:39,626 --> 00:05:43,506 Speaker 1: competing league in nineteen sixty, the NFL had a secret 107 00:05:43,626 --> 00:05:46,866 Speaker 1: draft in nineteen fifty nine to keep the a f 108 00:05:47,026 --> 00:05:49,626 Speaker 1: L from grabbing any star players in the first year 109 00:05:49,666 --> 00:05:52,546 Speaker 1: of their existence. Box them out, baby, all right, So 110 00:05:52,666 --> 00:05:55,746 Speaker 1: they use strategies like having babysitters to watch over top 111 00:05:55,786 --> 00:05:58,946 Speaker 1: college prospects so the a f L couldn't contact them 112 00:05:58,986 --> 00:06:01,146 Speaker 1: in any way. A d D. Kind of a cool story, 113 00:06:01,146 --> 00:06:03,906 Speaker 1: and you know my background covering college football, I've heard 114 00:06:04,026 --> 00:06:06,426 Speaker 1: enough of these recruiting stories that if you are an 115 00:06:06,466 --> 00:06:11,706 Speaker 1: upper echelon college recruit, sometime coaches they get assigned to 116 00:06:11,866 --> 00:06:13,746 Speaker 1: you and sort of in the same way where they 117 00:06:13,746 --> 00:06:16,746 Speaker 1: will wait. I've heard plenty of coaches will wait outside 118 00:06:16,746 --> 00:06:18,666 Speaker 1: before signing dad. I don't know if it's changed because 119 00:06:18,666 --> 00:06:20,866 Speaker 1: the early signing period and how that's worked, but some 120 00:06:20,906 --> 00:06:23,706 Speaker 1: teams will actually assign a coach so that other coaches 121 00:06:23,786 --> 00:06:26,586 Speaker 1: can't go and manipulate and have conversations with some of 122 00:06:26,586 --> 00:06:28,346 Speaker 1: those players. Now, of course their cell phones and the 123 00:06:28,346 --> 00:06:30,386 Speaker 1: whole thing. But the point is you gotta do what 124 00:06:30,426 --> 00:06:32,946 Speaker 1: it takes to win. Reads back to the NFL in 125 00:06:32,986 --> 00:06:36,386 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. Well, look, the two leagues finally merged 126 00:06:36,426 --> 00:06:40,346 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven. That started what we now know 127 00:06:40,666 --> 00:06:44,506 Speaker 1: as the common Draft era, and it was actually the 128 00:06:44,506 --> 00:06:47,546 Speaker 1: Steelers that got a little lucky on its way to 129 00:06:47,626 --> 00:06:51,506 Speaker 1: a dynasty. Nineteen seventy the Steelers and the Bears had 130 00:06:51,546 --> 00:06:54,226 Speaker 1: tied for the worst record, so there was a coin 131 00:06:54,306 --> 00:06:57,306 Speaker 1: toss to decide who gets the number one overall pick. 132 00:06:57,866 --> 00:07:02,826 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh wins, and the Steelers used that selection on Terry Bradshaw, 133 00:07:02,906 --> 00:07:07,186 Speaker 1: the quarterback who would eventually lead them to four Lombardi Trophies. 134 00:07:07,706 --> 00:07:12,546 Speaker 1: They then put together in nineteen seventy four the draft 135 00:07:12,626 --> 00:07:15,826 Speaker 1: mic that has to stand to this day as the 136 00:07:15,946 --> 00:07:21,266 Speaker 1: all time best draft ever by one team. Mike Webster, 137 00:07:21,666 --> 00:07:27,386 Speaker 1: Jack Lambert, Lynn Swan, and John Stalworth. Four Hall of 138 00:07:27,506 --> 00:07:32,626 Speaker 1: famers chosen in one draft by one team. Now, Dick 139 00:07:32,666 --> 00:07:36,546 Speaker 1: Hayley and Bill Nunn were the architects of that scouting, 140 00:07:36,626 --> 00:07:40,666 Speaker 1: of that drafting, and the Bill Nune piece of this 141 00:07:40,746 --> 00:07:43,306 Speaker 1: is really really interesting because he used to be a 142 00:07:43,346 --> 00:07:47,106 Speaker 1: newspaper writer. He was a newspaper writer in Pittsburgh, and 143 00:07:47,106 --> 00:07:49,586 Speaker 1: then the Steelers decided that he really had a tremendous 144 00:07:49,586 --> 00:07:52,666 Speaker 1: eye for talent, and he started helping the Steelers with 145 00:07:52,706 --> 00:07:55,826 Speaker 1: their scouting. And what Bill Nunn did was really open 146 00:07:55,906 --> 00:08:00,826 Speaker 1: an avenue to historically black colleges and to African American 147 00:08:00,906 --> 00:08:05,626 Speaker 1: athletes who are often overlooked. He finally was recently inducted 148 00:08:05,786 --> 00:08:07,306 Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. But I can tell you this, 149 00:08:07,386 --> 00:08:11,506 Speaker 1: in the city of Pittsburgh, Bill Nunn is tremendously revered 150 00:08:11,546 --> 00:08:15,106 Speaker 1: and recognized. I can't imagine that, by the way. I mean, 151 00:08:15,226 --> 00:08:17,426 Speaker 1: think about that, Mike. Can you imagine one team right 152 00:08:17,466 --> 00:08:20,306 Speaker 1: now getting four Hall of Famers in one draft? No, 153 00:08:20,746 --> 00:08:23,426 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Sometimes I see to myself, in an entire draft, 154 00:08:23,466 --> 00:08:25,386 Speaker 1: how many potential Hall of Famers are going to be 155 00:08:25,466 --> 00:08:28,266 Speaker 1: in just the entire draft. Oh that's such a good point, 156 00:08:28,466 --> 00:08:30,946 Speaker 1: you know what, That would make a really good That 157 00:08:31,026 --> 00:08:32,546 Speaker 1: might be one of the questions I throw in for 158 00:08:32,786 --> 00:08:35,466 Speaker 1: our next grab bag episode. Oh yeah, I like that. 159 00:08:35,586 --> 00:08:40,106 Speaker 1: Which year produced the most total Hall of Famers? Yeah? 160 00:08:40,466 --> 00:08:42,826 Speaker 1: Across all teams? All right, file that one away in 161 00:08:42,866 --> 00:08:46,026 Speaker 1: your notepad. Mike. Anyway back to this one. In the 162 00:08:46,106 --> 00:08:49,346 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, the NFL decreased the number of draft rounds 163 00:08:49,346 --> 00:08:52,786 Speaker 1: from twenty down to twelve. It's stayed at twelve rounds 164 00:08:52,866 --> 00:08:57,626 Speaker 1: until now. In the nineteen seventies, one of the more 165 00:08:57,666 --> 00:09:00,986 Speaker 1: notable draft traditions was born, and that was when a 166 00:09:01,026 --> 00:09:04,706 Speaker 1: former NFL wide receiver Paul Slatta, approach Commissioner Pete Rosel 167 00:09:05,106 --> 00:09:08,426 Speaker 1: and he asked Stiff he could celebrate the last pick 168 00:09:08,466 --> 00:09:12,386 Speaker 1: in the draft and call him Mr. Irrelevant. The celebration, 169 00:09:12,586 --> 00:09:14,906 Speaker 1: as Paul s Alatta saw, it would be a flight 170 00:09:14,946 --> 00:09:18,226 Speaker 1: to Newport Beach, California, and a parade, And wouldn't you 171 00:09:18,266 --> 00:09:20,946 Speaker 1: know it, it was the Steelers who had the final 172 00:09:21,106 --> 00:09:25,146 Speaker 1: pick in the nineteen seventies six draft. They chose Kelvin Kirk. 173 00:09:25,746 --> 00:09:29,146 Speaker 1: He thought he was being mocked, but then he ended 174 00:09:29,226 --> 00:09:31,426 Speaker 1: up agreeing, I mean, come on, it's a free flight 175 00:09:31,466 --> 00:09:36,866 Speaker 1: to Newport Beach. Except he missed the flight the parade. However, 176 00:09:36,986 --> 00:09:39,786 Speaker 1: Mike still went on and they found a local butcher 177 00:09:39,866 --> 00:09:43,466 Speaker 1: to fill in for Kirk. A local butcher. Okay, um, yeah, 178 00:09:43,506 --> 00:09:46,826 Speaker 1: whatever it takes. Have you missed the flight? That's a 179 00:09:46,986 --> 00:09:50,466 Speaker 1: story for another episode. There you go. Yeah, yeah, well, 180 00:09:50,466 --> 00:09:52,906 Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring up the idea of Mr. Irrelevant 181 00:09:52,906 --> 00:09:55,386 Speaker 1: and just sort of the pomp and circumstance that comes 182 00:09:55,386 --> 00:09:58,346 Speaker 1: with the TV coverage. So the draft itself was becoming 183 00:09:58,586 --> 00:10:01,386 Speaker 1: a real event. ESPN actually televised it for the first 184 00:10:01,386 --> 00:10:03,946 Speaker 1: time ever in nineteen eighty and at that point on 185 00:10:04,626 --> 00:10:08,306 Speaker 1: no turning back. The first fifty two years of the draft, 186 00:10:08,346 --> 00:10:11,666 Speaker 1: it was held on a Tuesday and Wednesday. The draft 187 00:10:11,746 --> 00:10:15,306 Speaker 1: moved to a Sunday and Monday from eight to nine four, 188 00:10:15,426 --> 00:10:19,106 Speaker 1: mainly because the Maryette Marquee offered the NFL a better 189 00:10:19,266 --> 00:10:22,146 Speaker 1: rate on the days for the ballroom space, which is 190 00:10:22,186 --> 00:10:24,746 Speaker 1: just crazy. Always have to look for a bargain no 191 00:10:25,066 --> 00:10:27,986 Speaker 1: Expedia points, I guess to to sort of bring the 192 00:10:28,386 --> 00:10:32,386 Speaker 1: cost down those reward numbers. The draft. It actually moved 193 00:10:32,426 --> 00:10:35,586 Speaker 1: to the weekend slot in when the event was moved 194 00:10:35,626 --> 00:10:38,466 Speaker 1: to Madison Square Garden. It did a one year stop 195 00:10:38,506 --> 00:10:41,306 Speaker 1: over at the Jacob Javitt's Convention Center in two thousand 196 00:10:41,386 --> 00:10:45,666 Speaker 1: five before settling in two thousand six at Radio City 197 00:10:45,746 --> 00:10:48,946 Speaker 1: Music Hall. Jets fans really found their voices. If you 198 00:10:49,026 --> 00:10:51,706 Speaker 1: were recalled I know a d D. You certainly did 199 00:10:52,106 --> 00:10:55,666 Speaker 1: the NFL Network began actually simulcasting at that point, and 200 00:10:55,746 --> 00:10:58,266 Speaker 1: it just sort of really took off to another gear. 201 00:10:58,746 --> 00:11:03,026 Speaker 1: That's also the year the time allotted between picks decreased. 202 00:11:03,186 --> 00:11:06,466 Speaker 1: Round one went from fifteen minutes to ten. In two 203 00:11:06,506 --> 00:11:09,466 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, round to move down to seven minutes 204 00:11:09,906 --> 00:11:13,826 Speaker 1: from ten. So in the draft went to prime time, 205 00:11:13,906 --> 00:11:16,786 Speaker 1: moving the first round to Thursday and the next two 206 00:11:16,906 --> 00:11:20,066 Speaker 1: rounds to Friday night. Now the ratings actually increased thirty 207 00:11:20,146 --> 00:11:22,506 Speaker 1: five percent in that first year in prime time. The 208 00:11:22,546 --> 00:11:26,826 Speaker 1: first round of draft saw twelve point six million viewers 209 00:11:26,906 --> 00:11:30,226 Speaker 1: according to the Nielsen Ratings, which for perspective, is about 210 00:11:30,266 --> 00:11:33,066 Speaker 1: the same as the clinching game of last year's NBA 211 00:11:33,146 --> 00:11:37,066 Speaker 1: Finals and Major League Baseball's World Series. So, just like 212 00:11:37,106 --> 00:11:39,506 Speaker 1: the league is looking to do the NFL combine, the 213 00:11:39,586 --> 00:11:42,506 Speaker 1: league actually just started a bidding process for draft locations. 214 00:11:42,586 --> 00:11:44,746 Speaker 1: Rather than just keeping it in New York, which is 215 00:11:44,826 --> 00:11:46,346 Speaker 1: kind of a cool thing, let's spread the level a 216 00:11:46,346 --> 00:11:51,146 Speaker 1: little bit it had been there from It has since 217 00:11:51,226 --> 00:11:56,346 Speaker 1: made stops Chicago twice, Philly, Dallas, Nashville, the Commissioner's Basement, 218 00:11:56,466 --> 00:11:59,546 Speaker 1: which I think was cool but probably not Roger Goodell's 219 00:11:59,586 --> 00:12:04,066 Speaker 1: favorite location. That happened obviously in during COVID and then 220 00:12:04,106 --> 00:12:06,426 Speaker 1: of course Cleveland and as we mession at the top, 221 00:12:07,506 --> 00:12:11,666 Speaker 1: d yes Lost Vegas. Help you're growing into this. We 222 00:12:11,786 --> 00:12:15,146 Speaker 1: can't gloss over this. What's really funny about this is 223 00:12:15,146 --> 00:12:18,506 Speaker 1: that the draft was forced to move. The NFL has 224 00:12:18,546 --> 00:12:22,986 Speaker 1: done a tremendous job of turning what are seemingly mundane 225 00:12:23,106 --> 00:12:27,626 Speaker 1: or procedural events into huge events like the Draft, like 226 00:12:27,666 --> 00:12:30,186 Speaker 1: the Combine where fans can sit in the stands now. 227 00:12:30,306 --> 00:12:35,226 Speaker 1: But this wasn't actually an active choice. What happened is 228 00:12:35,266 --> 00:12:39,466 Speaker 1: that Radio City Musical was booked and if I'm correct, 229 00:12:39,586 --> 00:12:42,586 Speaker 1: I believe it was the Ice Capades that we're going 230 00:12:42,666 --> 00:12:46,426 Speaker 1: to be at Radio City Music Hall in April and May. 231 00:12:46,506 --> 00:12:49,906 Speaker 1: So the NFL had to move, and then happened upon 232 00:12:49,986 --> 00:12:54,426 Speaker 1: this idea of showcasing other NFL cities by turn, and 233 00:12:54,746 --> 00:12:58,346 Speaker 1: this has just been one of my favorite, favorite favorite things. Now, 234 00:12:58,426 --> 00:13:02,386 Speaker 1: who can forget the throngs of people partying in Nashville. 235 00:13:02,666 --> 00:13:04,586 Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you last year I got to 236 00:13:04,626 --> 00:13:06,786 Speaker 1: be boots on the ground in Cleveland for the week 237 00:13:06,906 --> 00:13:09,946 Speaker 1: leading up to the Draft, Mike and we did bits 238 00:13:10,106 --> 00:13:12,586 Speaker 1: at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, we did 239 00:13:12,586 --> 00:13:15,346 Speaker 1: bits with some of the great restaurants in town. And 240 00:13:15,386 --> 00:13:17,986 Speaker 1: what it was is that you think about NFL fans 241 00:13:18,346 --> 00:13:23,586 Speaker 1: looking at stadiums on their TVs, and usually many times, Mike, 242 00:13:23,826 --> 00:13:27,626 Speaker 1: these fans watch games on TV and all they really 243 00:13:27,706 --> 00:13:31,026 Speaker 1: know of the city where this team is playing is 244 00:13:31,066 --> 00:13:35,866 Speaker 1: the stadium or whatever the drone blimp shot shows them. 245 00:13:36,146 --> 00:13:39,546 Speaker 1: The draft moving gives each of these NFL cities an 246 00:13:39,546 --> 00:13:43,386 Speaker 1: opportunity to showcase so much more of what it is 247 00:13:43,826 --> 00:13:47,626 Speaker 1: beyond just the stadium. And I'm a huge, huge fan. 248 00:13:47,946 --> 00:13:51,186 Speaker 1: I love the idea of moving the draft around and 249 00:13:52,026 --> 00:13:55,146 Speaker 1: cute little aside. The draft was in the Commissioner's basement 250 00:13:55,146 --> 00:14:00,106 Speaker 1: in he made picks from an old, old, old armchair. 251 00:14:00,826 --> 00:14:05,506 Speaker 1: That armchair was set to Cleveland last year, and I 252 00:14:05,546 --> 00:14:08,546 Speaker 1: did joke on air that um Roger Goodell's wife Jane 253 00:14:08,666 --> 00:14:13,426 Speaker 1: asked that we not send it back nostalgia. I guess 254 00:14:13,426 --> 00:14:17,066 Speaker 1: not enough to keep him the commissioner's man cave piece 255 00:14:17,106 --> 00:14:20,626 Speaker 1: of furniture that's someone's looking to get rid of. Anyway, 256 00:14:20,666 --> 00:14:22,866 Speaker 1: We're gone up on how we went from a chalkboard 257 00:14:22,906 --> 00:14:25,346 Speaker 1: to the bright lights of Sin City. So when we 258 00:14:25,386 --> 00:14:26,866 Speaker 1: come back, we'll take a look at some of the 259 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:30,226 Speaker 1: more interesting draft day facts like which colleges have sent 260 00:14:30,306 --> 00:14:33,146 Speaker 1: the most players to the league and much much more. 261 00:14:33,426 --> 00:14:47,226 Speaker 1: When we come back NFL draft explained. Alright, alright, welcome 262 00:14:47,266 --> 00:14:50,706 Speaker 1: back to NFL, explained to d ed Kikabwela with Mike. Yeah, Mike, 263 00:14:52,906 --> 00:14:58,346 Speaker 1: top quiz time, right off the top. But yes, which 264 00:14:58,546 --> 00:15:05,386 Speaker 1: NFL team has the worst winning percentage since the merger? Oh? 265 00:15:05,386 --> 00:15:08,986 Speaker 1: I think gonna give me like a softball. Um, there's 266 00:15:08,986 --> 00:15:11,146 Speaker 1: a part of me that wants to say, God, process 267 00:15:11,146 --> 00:15:17,506 Speaker 1: of elimination, Um, Lions, box Jets. I'm just trying to 268 00:15:17,546 --> 00:15:20,026 Speaker 1: think of some some teams that have had I just 269 00:15:20,066 --> 00:15:23,106 Speaker 1: had some wins that really I don't know. Can I 270 00:15:23,186 --> 00:15:26,826 Speaker 1: go with one of those three? Maybe? Alright, fine, that's 271 00:15:26,826 --> 00:15:28,306 Speaker 1: the way you want to do it. It is actually 272 00:15:28,386 --> 00:15:32,426 Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buck. They had one forty two per 273 00:15:32,466 --> 00:15:36,266 Speaker 1: cent of their games. So it does stand to reason 274 00:15:36,306 --> 00:15:39,946 Speaker 1: that the Bucks actually also have the most number one 275 00:15:40,106 --> 00:15:44,186 Speaker 1: overall draft picks since nineteen sixty seven, even though they 276 00:15:44,186 --> 00:15:47,186 Speaker 1: didn't actually answer the league as a franchise until nineteen 277 00:15:48,666 --> 00:15:51,826 Speaker 1: But even crazier than that, Mike was it their first 278 00:15:51,866 --> 00:15:55,026 Speaker 1: ever draft pick. Leroy Selman turned into a Hall of Famer, 279 00:15:55,266 --> 00:15:58,506 Speaker 1: despite all of those early struggles from the team, and 280 00:15:58,626 --> 00:16:00,986 Speaker 1: of course, following the Bucks on the list of most 281 00:16:01,226 --> 00:16:06,106 Speaker 1: number one overall selections are the Bills, the Bengals, the Owns, 282 00:16:06,346 --> 00:16:10,586 Speaker 1: the Colts, and the Patriots, all of whom have had four. 283 00:16:10,946 --> 00:16:13,546 Speaker 1: There are only three teams that have never had the 284 00:16:13,626 --> 00:16:17,466 Speaker 1: joy or pain of having the first overall pick. Got 285 00:16:17,506 --> 00:16:21,146 Speaker 1: any guesses there? The Ravens are one that I do know, 286 00:16:21,546 --> 00:16:24,226 Speaker 1: just because of the move and whatnot. So I will 287 00:16:24,266 --> 00:16:26,866 Speaker 1: I'll say Ravens for sure. And by the way, I 288 00:16:26,866 --> 00:16:29,626 Speaker 1: like how I angered probably three franchises when I only 289 00:16:29,666 --> 00:16:31,906 Speaker 1: have anger one. Next time you put me in that position, 290 00:16:31,946 --> 00:16:34,066 Speaker 1: I'm only going to go with one team. Well, you 291 00:16:34,146 --> 00:16:38,906 Speaker 1: got one, right, So how can Bucks fans be upset? Oh? Well, 292 00:16:39,146 --> 00:16:41,346 Speaker 1: just because they're probably just mad at me. But you're right, 293 00:16:41,666 --> 00:16:44,386 Speaker 1: just because they're probably just angry. It's although they should 294 00:16:44,386 --> 00:16:45,546 Speaker 1: be in a good mood, right like the team they 295 00:16:45,586 --> 00:16:47,946 Speaker 1: got Brady back. So someone's always mad at you. In 296 00:16:47,986 --> 00:16:50,346 Speaker 1: any case, there are only three teams that have never 297 00:16:50,546 --> 00:16:52,826 Speaker 1: had the first overall pick, the Ravens, as you said, 298 00:16:53,106 --> 00:16:56,586 Speaker 1: and also the Broncos and the Seahawks. Okay, all right, 299 00:16:56,666 --> 00:16:58,786 Speaker 1: So we're in there. At some point. I gotta flip 300 00:16:58,786 --> 00:17:00,626 Speaker 1: the script here on somebody's quizzes for you. But you 301 00:17:00,666 --> 00:17:03,826 Speaker 1: mentioned the Bucks drafting the Hall of Famer and Leroy 302 00:17:03,986 --> 00:17:08,266 Speaker 1: Salmon at one four times a number one overall pick 303 00:17:08,306 --> 00:17:10,946 Speaker 1: has gone hunt to wear a gold Jacket's kind of crazy. 304 00:17:10,986 --> 00:17:14,266 Speaker 1: But the pick that has produced the most bus in 305 00:17:14,466 --> 00:17:18,226 Speaker 1: Canton the sixth overall pick with fifteen, so six the 306 00:17:18,306 --> 00:17:21,066 Speaker 1: lucky number in the NFL. They probably have a few 307 00:17:21,066 --> 00:17:24,226 Speaker 1: more on the way. Julio Jones quit Nelson of the 308 00:17:24,266 --> 00:17:27,746 Speaker 1: culture is also this other guy, um Gun Slinger, one 309 00:17:27,786 --> 00:17:30,266 Speaker 1: of my favorites in the league, justin Herbert. He might 310 00:17:30,306 --> 00:17:32,506 Speaker 1: be on his way. We time will tell. There's a 311 00:17:32,506 --> 00:17:34,026 Speaker 1: whole lot of football still left in his career. So 312 00:17:34,026 --> 00:17:35,986 Speaker 1: I don't know if I should should say he's all 313 00:17:36,026 --> 00:17:39,946 Speaker 1: the way, can't bound, but he's having some success that division. 314 00:17:39,946 --> 00:17:42,386 Speaker 1: Talking about putting pressure on a young man. But okay, 315 00:17:42,706 --> 00:17:45,386 Speaker 1: since we're talking about pressure and you did just say 316 00:17:45,386 --> 00:17:47,786 Speaker 1: the word bust as in the statues that are in 317 00:17:47,826 --> 00:17:50,186 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, I'm going to flip that and 318 00:17:50,226 --> 00:17:54,106 Speaker 1: talk about some of the all time draft busts, as 319 00:17:54,146 --> 00:17:58,226 Speaker 1: in top picks who flapped Mike, what qualifies as a 320 00:17:58,266 --> 00:18:01,306 Speaker 1: bust in your mind? Okay, so I don't There's got 321 00:18:01,306 --> 00:18:03,266 Speaker 1: to be like a technical term for it. I'm actually 322 00:18:03,306 --> 00:18:06,706 Speaker 1: not crazy about the term bust because I think what 323 00:18:06,986 --> 00:18:11,546 Speaker 1: normal casual fans or even something some hardcore fans don't realize, 324 00:18:11,626 --> 00:18:13,346 Speaker 1: is the amount of dedication it takes to get to 325 00:18:13,386 --> 00:18:16,666 Speaker 1: this point. Right, So you are still elite when you 326 00:18:16,706 --> 00:18:19,666 Speaker 1: are drafted in the NFL, just some guys don't have 327 00:18:19,706 --> 00:18:21,666 Speaker 1: the same amount of success. So if you said to 328 00:18:21,706 --> 00:18:25,946 Speaker 1: me what defines the term bust, I would say the 329 00:18:26,026 --> 00:18:30,946 Speaker 1: level of success that that pick number wise tends to 330 00:18:30,986 --> 00:18:33,306 Speaker 1: have in the league. And if you if you don't 331 00:18:33,346 --> 00:18:35,386 Speaker 1: meet that threshold. So let's just say you're the number 332 00:18:35,426 --> 00:18:38,106 Speaker 1: one overall pick and you just you're out of the 333 00:18:38,146 --> 00:18:40,906 Speaker 1: league in a couple of years, Well, clearly you haven't 334 00:18:40,946 --> 00:18:43,306 Speaker 1: lived up to the expectation level of being a number 335 00:18:43,306 --> 00:18:45,346 Speaker 1: one overall pick. So for me, that would sort of 336 00:18:45,386 --> 00:18:49,266 Speaker 1: classify at least be one factor in defining bus. Well, 337 00:18:49,266 --> 00:18:51,546 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just expectation. I would also 338 00:18:51,586 --> 00:18:54,186 Speaker 1: say the amount of capital that a team expends to 339 00:18:54,346 --> 00:18:58,906 Speaker 1: get someone. So again, you know there's more capital associated 340 00:18:59,026 --> 00:19:03,586 Speaker 1: with the second overall pick, as compared to the third 341 00:19:03,626 --> 00:19:06,466 Speaker 1: pick in the seventh round. Anyway, having said all of that, 342 00:19:06,866 --> 00:19:09,586 Speaker 1: because of that point, I think a lot of people 343 00:19:09,586 --> 00:19:12,626 Speaker 1: will immediately think of Ryan Leaf just because he's forever 344 00:19:12,666 --> 00:19:14,986 Speaker 1: linked to Peyton Manning, who went number one overall in 345 00:19:15,026 --> 00:19:19,346 Speaker 1: nineteen Leaf was chosen by the Chargers number two, and 346 00:19:19,386 --> 00:19:21,946 Speaker 1: then went on to compile a career record of four 347 00:19:22,026 --> 00:19:27,946 Speaker 1: and seventeen while tossing fourteen touchdowns and thirty six interceptions. 348 00:19:28,626 --> 00:19:31,346 Speaker 1: There's actually quite a few other notable quarterbacks who went 349 00:19:31,466 --> 00:19:33,826 Speaker 1: number one overall and proved to not be the most 350 00:19:33,866 --> 00:19:36,706 Speaker 1: ideal of choices. There's Tim Couch, who was drafted by 351 00:19:36,706 --> 00:19:39,226 Speaker 1: the Browns in nineteen nine and produced a record at 352 00:19:39,306 --> 00:19:42,266 Speaker 1: just twenty two and thirty seven. Jamacus Russell, who was 353 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:44,986 Speaker 1: taken number one by the Raiders in two thousand and seven. 354 00:19:45,306 --> 00:19:48,466 Speaker 1: After posting a career record of just seven and eighteen, 355 00:19:48,986 --> 00:19:51,386 Speaker 1: he was released in two thousand and ten and then 356 00:19:51,386 --> 00:19:55,146 Speaker 1: he never played again. You know, it's interesting, though, two 357 00:19:55,226 --> 00:19:58,226 Speaker 1: year point we talked about the Browns and drafting a 358 00:19:58,306 --> 00:20:00,746 Speaker 1: quarterback number one. A few years ago they drafted Baker 359 00:20:00,786 --> 00:20:03,866 Speaker 1: Mayfield number one overall, and Baker Mayfield ended a very 360 00:20:03,946 --> 00:20:06,506 Speaker 1: very long playoff drought, Baker may Field led the Browns 361 00:20:06,586 --> 00:20:09,146 Speaker 1: their first winning season, and wherever Baker Mayfield and the 362 00:20:09,146 --> 00:20:11,626 Speaker 1: Browns are about to divorce before the end of his 363 00:20:11,706 --> 00:20:14,826 Speaker 1: first contract. I don't know that i'd call him a 364 00:20:14,866 --> 00:20:17,786 Speaker 1: bust because of all that he accomplished. But I don't 365 00:20:17,866 --> 00:20:22,746 Speaker 1: know that he matches the expectations of a number one 366 00:20:22,786 --> 00:20:26,026 Speaker 1: overall pick, as you just said, especially in a year 367 00:20:26,266 --> 00:20:28,226 Speaker 1: when we talk about the Ryan Leaf, Peyton Manning and 368 00:20:28,266 --> 00:20:30,786 Speaker 1: how you're always kind of compared, especially in a year 369 00:20:30,786 --> 00:20:33,506 Speaker 1: where Josh Allen was also chosen and Lamar Jackson, who's 370 00:20:33,506 --> 00:20:36,106 Speaker 1: won an m v P, was also sure. It's all 371 00:20:36,226 --> 00:20:38,866 Speaker 1: really really good points. So I'm actually typing the question 372 00:20:38,906 --> 00:20:43,386 Speaker 1: into my notes page on my phone. What's the technical 373 00:20:43,426 --> 00:20:46,426 Speaker 1: definition of a bust? That will be for our mail 374 00:20:46,466 --> 00:20:49,666 Speaker 1: bag episode. I will be asking that question when we 375 00:20:49,746 --> 00:20:51,506 Speaker 1: when we throw that one and that there's an answer 376 00:20:51,546 --> 00:20:53,666 Speaker 1: to that one. Yeah, something tells me our research team 377 00:20:53,666 --> 00:20:55,706 Speaker 1: and NFL Network will be able to figure that one out. 378 00:20:55,746 --> 00:20:58,266 Speaker 1: They're really good at stuff like that. A couple other 379 00:20:58,346 --> 00:21:01,186 Speaker 1: players you could throw out there, Achille Smith or ak 380 00:21:01,226 --> 00:21:04,866 Speaker 1: In product drafted by the Bangals in number three overall. 381 00:21:05,266 --> 00:21:07,826 Speaker 1: This one's things a little bit because New Orleans actually 382 00:21:07,866 --> 00:21:10,386 Speaker 1: offered nine picks to move into the third spot. The 383 00:21:10,386 --> 00:21:13,306 Speaker 1: Bangles instead said, you know what, rolling the dice with 384 00:21:13,386 --> 00:21:16,306 Speaker 1: them three and fourteen record for Cincinnati in that time. 385 00:21:16,386 --> 00:21:20,066 Speaker 1: Bengals also had the number one overall pick four years 386 00:21:20,106 --> 00:21:23,426 Speaker 1: earlier when they took Penn State running back to JOHNA. Carter. 387 00:21:23,626 --> 00:21:26,386 Speaker 1: He rushed for seven hundred and forty seven yards in 388 00:21:26,586 --> 00:21:31,146 Speaker 1: four seasons with Cincinnati. You know, it makes me sad 389 00:21:31,226 --> 00:21:33,906 Speaker 1: the top picks that don't work out, because obviously, you know, 390 00:21:33,946 --> 00:21:37,666 Speaker 1: the expectations are absurdly high for them. The stories that 391 00:21:37,746 --> 00:21:41,466 Speaker 1: I love are the guys that were taken later in 392 00:21:41,506 --> 00:21:45,186 Speaker 1: the draft and turned into hood and gems. The leader 393 00:21:45,266 --> 00:21:47,706 Speaker 1: in that category, of course, has to be the greatest 394 00:21:47,706 --> 00:21:49,706 Speaker 1: of all time, Tom Brady. He was taken in the 395 00:21:49,706 --> 00:21:54,466 Speaker 1: sixth round at pick the Patriots and two thousand. But 396 00:21:54,706 --> 00:21:57,346 Speaker 1: you know, another Hall of Fame quarterback, Roger Staubach. And 397 00:21:57,346 --> 00:21:59,346 Speaker 1: I'm saying that because we all know Tom Brady will 398 00:21:59,346 --> 00:22:01,146 Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame whenever he does actually 399 00:22:01,186 --> 00:22:05,346 Speaker 1: officially retire and stay retired. In any case, another Hall 400 00:22:05,386 --> 00:22:10,066 Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback, Roger's back tenth round in nine. He 401 00:22:10,146 --> 00:22:13,786 Speaker 1: won two Super Bowls with the Cowboys. The Broncos took 402 00:22:13,946 --> 00:22:16,706 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe and Terrell Davis in the 403 00:22:16,906 --> 00:22:20,866 Speaker 1: seventh and sixth rounds. I mean Antonio Brown, who I 404 00:22:20,946 --> 00:22:26,066 Speaker 1: know has not exactly been the most ideal teammate of late, 405 00:22:26,706 --> 00:22:28,866 Speaker 1: was a sixth round pick by the Steelers. Digging and 406 00:22:28,946 --> 00:22:31,386 Speaker 1: deep there, which I like, did you drop rid Chard 407 00:22:31,426 --> 00:22:33,666 Speaker 1: Chairman's name into the mix? Because he I feel like 408 00:22:33,746 --> 00:22:35,786 Speaker 1: he should be there. He was a fifth rounder by 409 00:22:35,826 --> 00:22:38,146 Speaker 1: the Seahawks in I feel like you're showing your West 410 00:22:38,186 --> 00:22:40,146 Speaker 1: Coast bias, but go right ahead. There's a little bit 411 00:22:40,146 --> 00:22:42,546 Speaker 1: of that going on right now, only because Stanford was 412 00:22:42,546 --> 00:22:44,386 Speaker 1: a team that I covered for a very long time. 413 00:22:44,426 --> 00:22:46,386 Speaker 1: How about this for a little nug here on the 414 00:22:46,466 --> 00:22:55,866 Speaker 1: Cardinal It's coming up on the NFL Explained Podcast. Welcome 415 00:22:55,866 --> 00:22:58,306 Speaker 1: back to the NFL Explained Podcast. Mike Yammin and Deeedi 416 00:22:58,386 --> 00:23:00,786 Speaker 1: Kinka Walla with you. D Let's get right back to this. 417 00:23:00,906 --> 00:23:03,586 Speaker 1: How about this for a little nug here on the Cardinals. 418 00:23:04,066 --> 00:23:07,586 Speaker 1: Stanford has the second most quarterbacks drafted since the common 419 00:23:07,626 --> 00:23:13,026 Speaker 1: Era began seventeen seventeen, which is kind of crazy a DD. 420 00:23:13,106 --> 00:23:15,786 Speaker 1: You know you're always doing the pop quiz thing on me. 421 00:23:16,066 --> 00:23:19,666 Speaker 1: How about this for you? Do you know which school 422 00:23:19,706 --> 00:23:22,666 Speaker 1: has the most though when it comes to quarterbacks drafted 423 00:23:22,986 --> 00:23:25,026 Speaker 1: in the common era, I'll give you a hint. I'll 424 00:23:25,026 --> 00:23:31,426 Speaker 1: give you it's a Packbull school, Pack twelve. And did 425 00:23:31,466 --> 00:23:33,666 Speaker 1: you notice how I said pack twin? Like I didn't 426 00:23:33,666 --> 00:23:35,266 Speaker 1: know if I was saying packed well for Pac ten 427 00:23:35,426 --> 00:23:40,426 Speaker 1: right there? Um? Oh, well it has to be USC, 428 00:23:41,186 --> 00:23:43,346 Speaker 1: wasn't there like that? You Like, it was like Matt 429 00:23:43,426 --> 00:23:46,226 Speaker 1: Leinard and Mark Sanchez and Matt Barkley and like anybody 430 00:23:46,306 --> 00:23:48,746 Speaker 1: and everybody like you just had to play the position 431 00:23:48,786 --> 00:23:50,746 Speaker 1: and you'd be drafted out of that school. Yeah, that's 432 00:23:50,746 --> 00:23:52,906 Speaker 1: what happens when you go to USC and you're the 433 00:23:52,946 --> 00:23:55,906 Speaker 1: team starting quarterback. You get thrust into the Heisman conversation. 434 00:23:55,986 --> 00:23:59,106 Speaker 1: Everyone thinks you are bound for NFL stardom, but you're 435 00:23:59,186 --> 00:24:02,546 Speaker 1: right hit the nail on the head s C nineteen. 436 00:24:02,906 --> 00:24:05,386 Speaker 1: Of those quarterbacks, Carson Palmer's probably the one who had 437 00:24:05,426 --> 00:24:09,026 Speaker 1: the best NFL career of the group. Maybe there's some 438 00:24:09,066 --> 00:24:11,226 Speaker 1: conversation and debate to be had there, but I throw 439 00:24:11,306 --> 00:24:15,426 Speaker 1: his name into the mix. Florida State, Washington, Ohio State 440 00:24:15,466 --> 00:24:18,386 Speaker 1: actually round out the top five schools with the most 441 00:24:18,466 --> 00:24:23,906 Speaker 1: quarterbacks drafted since nineteen Buckeyes they'll have the most players 442 00:24:24,426 --> 00:24:28,546 Speaker 1: drafted in the first round with eight three, followed by yeah, 443 00:24:28,546 --> 00:24:31,986 Speaker 1: we'll say it again, USC, then Alabama, Notre Dame, and 444 00:24:32,106 --> 00:24:35,986 Speaker 1: Miami the school with the most number one overall picks, 445 00:24:36,466 --> 00:24:41,266 Speaker 1: Damn Trojans talk about that history, USC in Oklahoma both 446 00:24:41,466 --> 00:24:43,626 Speaker 1: with five a DD. I feel like this is such 447 00:24:43,666 --> 00:24:46,066 Speaker 1: a generational thing too. You know, if you had asked 448 00:24:46,066 --> 00:24:48,746 Speaker 1: me and I'm thinking about the last let's call it 449 00:24:48,866 --> 00:24:54,586 Speaker 1: five drafts, I'm definitely thinking SEC. Oh, no doubt right, 450 00:24:55,066 --> 00:24:58,426 Speaker 1: whether it's Alabama or l s U or But again, 451 00:24:58,746 --> 00:25:02,506 Speaker 1: everything is cyclical, and so we were just mentioning players 452 00:25:02,586 --> 00:25:05,586 Speaker 1: drafted in the first round. How about this one father 453 00:25:05,826 --> 00:25:09,586 Speaker 1: son combos drafted in the first round. And listen to this. 454 00:25:09,906 --> 00:25:13,946 Speaker 1: There's actually two instances of a dad being a first 455 00:25:14,066 --> 00:25:17,386 Speaker 1: rounder and two of his kids being taken in the 456 00:25:17,426 --> 00:25:19,746 Speaker 1: first round. Actually, if you think about it, I think 457 00:25:19,786 --> 00:25:22,946 Speaker 1: they're probably pretty obvious. Yeah, well the mannings right, like 458 00:25:22,986 --> 00:25:25,706 Speaker 1: that's that's that's the lay up for me. I'm trying 459 00:25:25,706 --> 00:25:28,586 Speaker 1: to remember who the other so there's well, and here's 460 00:25:28,586 --> 00:25:31,546 Speaker 1: what's crazy about that too. Archie Manning was drafted by 461 00:25:31,586 --> 00:25:34,666 Speaker 1: his hometown Saints in nineteen seventy one, and then Peyton, 462 00:25:34,746 --> 00:25:36,786 Speaker 1: like we mentioned earlier, was taken by the Colts, and 463 00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:40,386 Speaker 1: Eli Manning was the number one overall pick of San 464 00:25:40,386 --> 00:25:42,466 Speaker 1: Diego in two thousand and four, but he didn't want 465 00:25:42,466 --> 00:25:44,426 Speaker 1: to play there, and so of course he spent his 466 00:25:44,546 --> 00:25:47,786 Speaker 1: entire career with the Giants. But here's what's crazy. There 467 00:25:47,786 --> 00:25:50,706 Speaker 1: could be a nephew. There could be a third generation 468 00:25:50,826 --> 00:25:54,426 Speaker 1: first round pick because Peyton and Eli's older brother, Cooper, 469 00:25:54,786 --> 00:25:58,066 Speaker 1: has a son named arch Mike. He's a superstar in 470 00:25:58,146 --> 00:26:00,146 Speaker 1: high school. Right now. You kind of have to be 471 00:26:00,266 --> 00:26:03,306 Speaker 1: with that name, don't you. Well, here's another name that 472 00:26:03,426 --> 00:26:07,186 Speaker 1: has pulled that out, and you mentioned Ohio State. Well, 473 00:26:07,306 --> 00:26:10,346 Speaker 1: Joey and Nick Bosa or drafted in the first round 474 00:26:10,346 --> 00:26:14,226 Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen and two thousand nineteen. And their dad, 475 00:26:14,266 --> 00:26:16,986 Speaker 1: of course, was a longtime NFL player, drafted in the 476 00:26:17,026 --> 00:26:19,866 Speaker 1: first round in nine seven out of Boston College. And 477 00:26:19,866 --> 00:26:21,626 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I was at Nick Bosa's pro 478 00:26:21,706 --> 00:26:24,666 Speaker 1: day at Ohio State. I met his dad and he 479 00:26:24,706 --> 00:26:26,986 Speaker 1: looked like he could still play or put the hurt 480 00:26:27,026 --> 00:26:30,906 Speaker 1: on somebody. That does not surprise me at all. I 481 00:26:30,946 --> 00:26:34,466 Speaker 1: remember actually being at a Niners practice before the season 482 00:26:34,466 --> 00:26:36,826 Speaker 1: it started. Dude looks like a Greek god. I mean, 483 00:26:36,866 --> 00:26:39,666 Speaker 1: the whole family. The genetic thing. It is definitely a 484 00:26:39,666 --> 00:26:43,066 Speaker 1: real deal because it's not just physically what you have. 485 00:26:43,186 --> 00:26:46,666 Speaker 1: But just think about being around NFL dudes all the time. 486 00:26:46,826 --> 00:26:49,346 Speaker 1: How often do you mentioned pro day's adity. How often 487 00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:50,666 Speaker 1: do you go to a pro day or do you 488 00:26:50,706 --> 00:26:53,026 Speaker 1: see a guy or talk to a player who's in 489 00:26:53,066 --> 00:26:56,386 Speaker 1: the NFL and you hear that their dad or their 490 00:26:56,466 --> 00:26:59,426 Speaker 1: uncle was a coach or a former player themselves. Like 491 00:26:59,466 --> 00:27:02,226 Speaker 1: all of that exposure to to the game I think 492 00:27:02,226 --> 00:27:04,986 Speaker 1: gives them a huge edge. And once again, it does 493 00:27:05,066 --> 00:27:07,226 Speaker 1: come down to genetics because I could have been exposed 494 00:27:07,266 --> 00:27:09,546 Speaker 1: to it my entire life. Adini, I am playing in 495 00:27:09,546 --> 00:27:12,586 Speaker 1: the NFL. That's not going to happen. It's interesting you 496 00:27:12,586 --> 00:27:15,666 Speaker 1: say that because I was just at Kenny Pickett's pro day, 497 00:27:15,666 --> 00:27:18,866 Speaker 1: the quarterback out of pit and I met his parents, 498 00:27:18,906 --> 00:27:22,906 Speaker 1: who were the most lovely people, and I was chatting 499 00:27:22,906 --> 00:27:25,426 Speaker 1: with his dad about how Kenny knew he wanted to 500 00:27:25,426 --> 00:27:27,106 Speaker 1: be a quarterback, at the age of five, and that 501 00:27:27,186 --> 00:27:28,866 Speaker 1: was that. But of course hidden high school he did 502 00:27:28,906 --> 00:27:31,506 Speaker 1: play other positions. And so when I asked Kenny, I 503 00:27:31,546 --> 00:27:33,346 Speaker 1: said to him, Hey, your dad said you could have 504 00:27:33,386 --> 00:27:36,066 Speaker 1: made a pretty good linebacker too. He laughed, and he 505 00:27:36,106 --> 00:27:38,266 Speaker 1: said that's high praise because his dad was a really 506 00:27:38,266 --> 00:27:40,946 Speaker 1: good linebacker. And he said, I hope I bring that 507 00:27:41,066 --> 00:27:44,666 Speaker 1: edge to the quarterback position, so there's definitely that. Did 508 00:27:44,746 --> 00:27:48,586 Speaker 1: you shake his dad's hand? I'm trying to actually as 509 00:27:48,626 --> 00:27:53,146 Speaker 1: we chat here, there are two guys this year whose 510 00:27:53,186 --> 00:27:56,866 Speaker 1: father's were drafted in the NFL, who had older brothers 511 00:27:56,906 --> 00:28:00,186 Speaker 1: who were drafted and who also could be drafted now. 512 00:28:00,466 --> 00:28:06,026 Speaker 1: So BC offensive lineman Alec Lyndstrom has a father who 513 00:28:06,066 --> 00:28:07,906 Speaker 1: played in the NFL and made a Pro Bowl and 514 00:28:08,026 --> 00:28:10,946 Speaker 1: an older brother who is in the NFL named Chris. 515 00:28:11,346 --> 00:28:15,346 Speaker 1: And then Michigan State fullback Connor Hayward as a father 516 00:28:15,546 --> 00:28:18,266 Speaker 1: Craig Ironhead Hayward, who of course was in the Pro 517 00:28:18,346 --> 00:28:22,106 Speaker 1: Bowl and has a big brother, Cam Hayward, who is 518 00:28:22,146 --> 00:28:24,706 Speaker 1: the great defensive lineman for the Steelers, who as well 519 00:28:24,786 --> 00:28:27,706 Speaker 1: has made the Pro Bowl. I don't believe that either 520 00:28:27,786 --> 00:28:30,866 Speaker 1: of these young players are going to be first round picks. 521 00:28:30,866 --> 00:28:34,586 Speaker 1: Though you think Kenny's first quarterback off the board. I do, actually, 522 00:28:35,426 --> 00:28:36,946 Speaker 1: but let's get back. Let's get back to this one. 523 00:28:36,986 --> 00:28:39,066 Speaker 1: So anyway, some of the other father son combos that 524 00:28:39,106 --> 00:28:41,586 Speaker 1: are drafted in the first round. The Steelers have another one, 525 00:28:41,706 --> 00:28:44,586 Speaker 1: Devin Bush, who's their middle linebacker. Devon Bush Jr. Was 526 00:28:44,666 --> 00:28:47,186 Speaker 1: drafted in two thousand nineteen. Is dad. Devon Bush also 527 00:28:47,266 --> 00:28:51,226 Speaker 1: was drafted in nineteen. Jamal Adams two thousand seventeen. His 528 00:28:51,306 --> 00:28:54,266 Speaker 1: dad George Adams Night five. Of course, Jake Matthews and 529 00:28:54,306 --> 00:28:57,346 Speaker 1: Bruce Matthews, Craig and Cam Hayward. As I just said, 530 00:28:57,426 --> 00:29:00,466 Speaker 1: mark Ingram, his dad was also a first round pick. 531 00:29:00,546 --> 00:29:03,946 Speaker 1: Claim Matthews Jr. In Clay Matthews, they were both first 532 00:29:04,026 --> 00:29:08,386 Speaker 1: round picks. Kellen Winslow Jr. And his dad Kellen Winslow, 533 00:29:08,786 --> 00:29:12,386 Speaker 1: we're also first round picks. And then of course the Mannings, 534 00:29:12,426 --> 00:29:15,346 Speaker 1: as we said, and the Boss. Okay, this is purely 535 00:29:15,346 --> 00:29:18,186 Speaker 1: an opinion. There's no wrong answer, right answer, But I 536 00:29:18,186 --> 00:29:20,306 Speaker 1: will ask you the question add before we wrap up 537 00:29:20,346 --> 00:29:25,706 Speaker 1: this show, the best father son combo in pro sports, 538 00:29:26,426 --> 00:29:29,546 Speaker 1: because there's one that comes to mind, but I think 539 00:29:29,626 --> 00:29:31,986 Speaker 1: the Mannings might have it. But I don't to me. 540 00:29:32,386 --> 00:29:35,866 Speaker 1: The griffis I was literally going to say that. I 541 00:29:35,946 --> 00:29:38,106 Speaker 1: can't believe you took it out of my mouth like that. 542 00:29:38,146 --> 00:29:39,906 Speaker 1: I love how I asked you the question that I 543 00:29:39,946 --> 00:29:43,506 Speaker 1: as before giving me a chance to answer. I was 544 00:29:43,546 --> 00:29:45,746 Speaker 1: giving you time. I was, that's what like, you know 545 00:29:45,786 --> 00:29:48,186 Speaker 1: what good friend does like that? You know, Okay, give 546 00:29:48,226 --> 00:29:51,786 Speaker 1: them time to the NBA, the NFL and Major League 547 00:29:51,826 --> 00:29:55,266 Speaker 1: Baseball that quickly, plus like maybe golf and tennis and 548 00:29:55,306 --> 00:29:59,106 Speaker 1: some other things. All right, great, thanks Mike. Alright, add 549 00:29:59,226 --> 00:30:00,666 Speaker 1: the one thing that I think we can say we 550 00:30:00,826 --> 00:30:03,946 Speaker 1: both learned in this podcast, not only draft related, but 551 00:30:04,266 --> 00:30:09,106 Speaker 1: just life related. Janett X is a real thing. Hype 552 00:30:09,146 --> 00:30:10,946 Speaker 1: around the draft. It's going to be a ton of 553 00:30:10,986 --> 00:30:15,306 Speaker 1: fun Vegas, ap A d D. You've been covering pro days, 554 00:30:15,426 --> 00:30:17,186 Speaker 1: I've been covering Pro days. I know we will be 555 00:30:17,226 --> 00:30:19,466 Speaker 1: glued to the television hopefully. Actually no, I will be 556 00:30:19,506 --> 00:30:21,106 Speaker 1: working in studio at dB. I don't know if you're 557 00:30:21,106 --> 00:30:23,346 Speaker 1: going to head to Vegas for the Draft, but nonetheless, 558 00:30:23,626 --> 00:30:26,106 Speaker 1: I know everyone we went through the television ratings a 559 00:30:26,106 --> 00:30:28,066 Speaker 1: little bit earlier on the show. I would imagine a 560 00:30:28,146 --> 00:30:30,986 Speaker 1: lot of eyeballs. The future of the league we will 561 00:30:31,026 --> 00:30:34,546 Speaker 1: be a front row seat for in Vegas once again. 562 00:30:34,706 --> 00:30:38,546 Speaker 1: NFL Network. You can catch it on April and you'll 563 00:30:38,626 --> 00:30:42,386 Speaker 1: definitely have a lot more information at your draft party 564 00:30:42,586 --> 00:30:45,706 Speaker 1: to share with all your friends. Thank you everybody for 565 00:30:45,866 --> 00:30:49,546 Speaker 1: joining us. That was the NFL Draft. Explain