WEBVTT - Slow Play 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:03.880 It's the son of which podcast. I'm your host Claude 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.640 Harmon solo episode of the pod this week. I just 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:10.800 got back. I was over at the LPGA CME Globe 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.920 there kind of tour championship season ending for the LPGA Tour. 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.160 I was over there with the Marina Alex. I saw 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.080 Charlie Hull and I wanted to touch on some stuff. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.840 Charlie said last week she was in the last group 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.000 last week with Nellye Korda, had a chance to win, 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.640 didn't get it done. Nelly Quorda won again. I mean, 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.400 what an unbelievable year, and no joke. I got to 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.400 sit and watch Nelly Quorda hit golf balls for the 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.320 last three days and if she's hitting golf balls on 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:40.559 the driving range, I'm gonna sit and just I mean, 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:42.800 it's like golf porn. I mean, the golf swing's just 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.280 so good. You know the work she's done with Jamie Mulligan. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.800 But I just when you watch Nellie's golf swing, I mean, 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.440 she is a player that I will stop and watch 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.200 hit golf balls. It's that good. So she is a 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.760 privilege to watch. But it was Charlie Hall that made 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:05.960 some comments about slow play, which is a serious issue 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.800 on every single tour. It's taking you know, over five 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.720 and a half hours to play golf in a tournament, 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.000 which is just it's just ridiculous, and slow play is 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.000 nothing new, right, And the thing is, this is just 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.760 my opinion, but if the tours wanted to fix this, 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.039 they could fix it, right, they could fix slow play, 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.360 but it doesn't seem like they want to fix it. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.880 So it was Charlie Hall that said, what was her quote, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.280 She said, I'm pretty ruthless. If you have three bad 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.000 times in a year, you lose your card. She's like, 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.240 that would stop, so pay immediately. You know what, She's 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.640 one hundred percent right now. They're never going to do that. 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.120 That might be a little bit extreme. The powers that 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.120 be are never going to do that, but historically what 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.680 they've done in the past is if you get a 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.400 certain amount of bad times and you get fined and 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.400 stuff like that. Again solely my opinion, but I don't 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.400 think the finds work. I mean certainly not on the 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.160 PGA tour. Those guys make so much money. If you're 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.280 a big star, and there are some big stars that 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.359 you know, everybody knows theyre slower The thing about slow 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.239 play that drives me crazy, and I think drives everybody 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:16.600 crazy that's involved, certainly at the professional level, is everybody 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:22.200 on tour PGA Tour, Champions Tour, dp World Tour, LPGA Live, 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:27.240 everybody that plays on those tours, everybody associated with those tours, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.880 everybody involved with those tours knows exactly who the slow 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.760 players are. Every player knows who the slow players are. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.520 Every caddy knows who the slow players are. Every rules 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.040 official knows who the slow players are. Every tour commissioner 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.320 knows who the slow players are. All the media know 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.959 who they are. Everybody in the game knows who the 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:48.359 slow players are. And the players that play fast don't 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.200 affect the people that play slow because they just keep 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:55.000 playing slow. But slow play dramatically affects fast players. I 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.480 happen to work for two of the fastest players in 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.200 the game, Dustin Johnson and Brooks kept goa. They are fast, right, 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.120 DJ maybe gets a little bit slower on the greens, 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.360 But you know, the camera guys that you talk to 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.800 from CBS or NBC or ESPN. If DJ's in the 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.280 group and he's last to hit, they're kind of standing 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.640 behind two of the players. They can't get the camera 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.040 behind DJ fast enough because he's already gonna pull the trigger. 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:23.520 So when fast players are paired with slow players, and 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.000 everyone knows who the slow players are, right, I mean, 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.600 there will be players that you get paired with and 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.200 you'll just go, oh man, we're gonna be on the 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.920 clock NonStop. And that's the thing, right, So they tie 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.840 the players. They have a certain amount of time. I 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.200 think it's around forty seconds to hit your shot. There's 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.240 some different rules if it's on a par three, if 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.720 you're third to play, you're out of position, all that, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.240 but generally it's about forty seconds. And I think most 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.840 of the time they'll give the guys up to a minute. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.720 So you've get forty seconds to hit a shot right 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.640 on a golf course, competitive around the golf So what 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.360 I'm gonna do right now, okay, is I got my phone. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.480 I'm going to start my stopwatch. I am not going 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.480 to say anything, and I am going to stop when 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:13.280 we get to forty seconds. Okay, three, two, one go. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.400 So that was forty seconds. And I did that to 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.360 prove a point, right, that should have seen like a 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:05.000 really long time of just dead air that's forty seconds. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.080 That's how much time you've got to hit a golf ball. 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.279 So if you can't hit a golf ball in forty seconds, 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.960 my question is, what the hell are you doing? Like, 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.640 what is taking so long? And I think one of 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.440 the things that we're starting to see, and I think 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:19.640 one of the reasons why slow play is such an 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.680 issue is you go watch junior golf, you go watch 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.640 AJJA golf, you go watch high school golf, you go 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.960 watch college golf. It's like watching a glad. I mean, 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.840 they are playing so slow. We have a college tournament 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.760 at my club, the Floridian every year of the vast 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.760 Bar Collegiate Invitational. They can't finish, like, they can't finish, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.000 they run out of daylight. I think it took one 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.080 of the final groups last week on the LPG almost 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.560 five hours forty seconds. They finished in the dark. Now 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.320 the quarter had to finish in the dark on Saturday night. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.720 You couldn't even see the flag because they're running out 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:55.040 of daylight because they can't finish faster. So everyone knows 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.039 they've got X amount of time, right, And what happens 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.839 is the slow players will just do their own thing 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.400 until the group gets put on the clock, right, and 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.919 as soon as the rules officials come out and say, okay, 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.799 you guys are on the clock, the fast players all 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.159 look at them and say, you know this isn't me, 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.279 and the rules officials, the tour officials will go, yeah, no, 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.240 we know it's not you. But we've got to put 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.880 the whole group on so they know who's the slow player, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.920 they know who's the fast player. So what ends up 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.240 happening is once you get on the clock, you don't 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.599 want to get a bad time. The slow players speed 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:33.000 up and they start moving really really fast. And then 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.600 if you're not a slow player and you get out 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:39.480 of position and you need to take you know, time 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.560 to get yardage yourself, I've got no problem if you 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.080 need a little extra time. If you're in the rough right, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.560 if you're out of position, off the tee, if you're 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.160 out of position and you now have a shot to 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.359 where you're not in a fair way, it's tough to 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.800 get a yardage. It's going to take some creativity. You're 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.240 going to have to try and you know, think on 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.359 the fly. I get that that can sometimes take a 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.640 long time. But if you're standing in the middle of 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.120 the fairway shouldn't take you two minutes to hit one. 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.480 And so what we're starting to see is the players 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.600 on TV that everybody is watching, right, junior golfers, high 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.480 school golfers, college golfers. They want to emulate the best 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.080 players in the world, right, they want to emulate everything 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:24.160 about them, their golf swings, their techniques, their routines, all 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.800 of it. But what's happening is junior golf, the pace 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.120 of play is just atrocious. Like it's criminal how bad 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.560 it is. Right, college golf, I mean, it's brutal, how 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.880 slow it is. I think the coaches in college golf 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:42.920 are basically now de facto caddies. Right, it's an individual sport. 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.760 They're walking around with their players, they're getting yardage, they're 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.720 looking at the yardage book. So at the elite Division 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.760 one college golf, in all the big programs, the coaches 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.239 are basically caddies. Right, They're getting the yardage, they're talking 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.920 strategy and stuff like that. But that process is taken forever. 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:03.000 The aim pointin from two feet is taken forever. Listen, 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.560 I'm not bashion on ame point. Right. I think there's 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.600 a simple solution to this, right, slow players kind of 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:13.360 fall into two categories. There'll be slow players that you know, 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.160 do a bunch of regrips, that do a bunch of waggles. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.840 I mean, we know who those players are, right once 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.080 they get over the golf ball, it just takes them 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.640 forever to hit it. We know who those players are. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.920 But what really slowing play is it's like nobody is 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.040 ready to hit their shut So if you're the first 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.720 person to hit, you're gonna get your information to go. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.040 So if you're the first person to hit and you're 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.360 in a group of three, that means there's two other 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.280 players that while you're getting your yardages, while you're getting 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.760 all of your information, you and your caddy. We're talking 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.520 about tour golf now, it's like, what are you doing. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.760 You should be getting your yardage, looking at the shot, 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.680 looking at the wins, so that when the player hits 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.600 and it's your turn to hit, you would think that 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.640 you'd just be ready to go. But it's almost like 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.360 I joke about it all the time, but it's almost like, 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.959 and this happens a lot in junior golf and in 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.800 high school golf and in college golf. It's like, when 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.000 it's your turn, to play. When it's your turn to pot, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:12.920 when it's your turn to hit your t shot, when 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.400 it's your turn to hit your iron shot or whatever. Right, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.160 it's almost like players turn into figure skaters. You know 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.400 that scene in the Olympics a figure skater where they 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.559 announce the figure skater who's next up, and they kind 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.360 of skate up, and they kind of skate around and 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.680 they skate into the middle of the rink. They throw 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.600 their arms up in the air and stuff like that, 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.199 and then they get into their pose and then they 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.160 go into their routine. And I watched this, it's like, Okay, 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.559 you're second in the group to hit. The player who's 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:42.040 hitting first, it's like they're not doing anything. It's like 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.200 they're not getting the yardage. It's like they're not looking 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.400 at the wind, they're not looking at the lie. They 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.440 have no idea what club they hit. So then as 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.959 soon as that person hit, it's like, Okay, all of 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.080 a sudden, now I'm on stage and I've got to 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.760 go through this elaborate routine. You couldn't be doing all that, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.920 not distracting the other player and stuff, but you can. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.000 You'd be getting all of your yardages. You could be 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.880 getting all of your data, gathering information and where the 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.960 wind is, where the lie is, where the pin is. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.120 All of that. You can be doing that why somebody 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.679 else is hitting. Be ready to go when it's your 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:19.440 turn putting, I mean the putting green. How long does 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.520 it take to putt these days? It just takes forever. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.120 And I played golf on Sunday for the first time 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.080 in about a year and a half. Right, I played 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.520 an eighteen hole round of golf, and one of the 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.680 guys that I was playing with said, man, you play 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:35.200 really really fast. And I'm like, I don't really think 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.920 I play fast. I just kind of get up, look 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.280 at the shot, and hit it right. I mean I 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.440 try and not stand over it. I try and not 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.000 have a lot of thoughts in my head. And I 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.679 think the longer you stand over a shot right, the 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.600 more waggles you take. I just I don't see golfers 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:57.160 taking more time, and that being about positive things, I 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.200 think the longer you stand there, in my experience, what 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.120 you see is players in their head, they're doubting that 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.680 their decision, they're not comfortable, they don't know what they're 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.560 trying to do, and so it just takes them forever 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.760 to hit it right. And I think if you can 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.080 just kind of be ready to go. I mean, we 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.160 walked to pro am today and you know, Marina Alex 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.320 Why teach on the Ladies Tour and four amateurs right, 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.840 and we see this across the board. How long it 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.400 takes golfers to hit shots, How long it takes them 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.320 to pull the club, to go through their routine, to 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.160 go through their practice swings, to figure out where they're 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.640 trying to It just takes forever. And I just don't 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.200 think that is helping golfers score better. I think the 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.880 longer you're standing there, the more time you take, you're 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.080 just creating more and more doubt. And I think what 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.280 players are doing, and when I ask players, this is 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.320 the response I get. I think a lot of players 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.839 that are slow are trying to make sure that they 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.960 don't leave any stone unturned in their preparation to hit 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.000 the shot right. They're going to try and take in 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:04.320 as much information is possible so that they don't hit 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.400 a bad shot, so that they don't mess it up. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.560 And when I ask players, what are you doing? I 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.480 mean I will I film routines a lot, especially on 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.200 the putting Green. I will film players' routines in practice 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.320 and say, okay, do you realize you just took on 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.160 a fifteen foot pot. I'll say, okay, let's imagine your 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.400 first to play, right, You're first to play, and you're 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.559 gonna come up and mark it, okay. And what I'll 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.840 do is I'll film it and time it from the 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.320 time they mark the ball and they go into their 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.480 kind of information gathering phase. And you'll sometimes show players 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.840 you realize you took almost two minutes to hit a 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.800 fifteen foot pot. And so when they watch it back 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.400 and you film it, you watch it back and you 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.360 look at all the looks. I mean, that's another thing 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.720 that I talk to players about, and an effort to 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.520 try and get them to be more decisive, but an 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.960 effort to try and get them to play faster is 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.840 I'll film their routine and say, okay, hey, you just 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.199 took four looks. You just took five practice strokes. What 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.360 are the looks for? And what are the practice strucks for? 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.240 And invariably people can't give you an answer, but when 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:11.760 they do give you an answer, they're like, listen, you know, 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.000 I just want to make sure I go through my 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.640 process make sure I go through my routine, make sure 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.400 I go through all of that, and all of that 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.760 is so that you don't make a bad pot hit 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.760 a bad shot. But shouldn't the process and the thought 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.400 process be about, Okay, what am I going to do 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.200 here to hit a good shot? Right? What do I 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.120 need to do to focus in here on hitting a really, 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.199 really good shot? And I think if you can focus 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.240 on trying to hit a good shot as opposed to 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.600 trying to not hit a bad shot, the mindset changes 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.640 and the way that you are going to go about 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:44.360 your shot would be much much faster. So I'm timing 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:48.480 players you know in practice now, junior golfers, high school golfers, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.720 college golfers, even you know players that are trying to 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.280 play years ago. I've had them on the pod. He's 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.000 a friend, Trevor Immlman. When Trevor and I work together 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.240 back in the day on the European Tour, Trevor was slow. Listen, Trevor, 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.000 you know, I got no problem saying Trevor slow. Trevor 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.719 knows he's slow. Trevor is meticulous, which is another way 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.920 of saying slow. Right, But Trevor got a bunch of 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.960 slow play bad times like first year, second year out 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.120 on European Tour, we were in Sweden. You got another 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:17.880 bad time, so he was gonna have to pay a fine. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.520 And the fines accumulate, so the more fines you get. 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.480 Once you get a certain amount of bad times, you 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.840 get a fine, and then if you get another bad 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.440 time in that year, I think the fine doubles trip. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.600 But if you continue to get bad times for slow play, 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.280 the finds escalate. And Trevor was about to get popped 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.560 for a pretty big number. I mean it was it 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.400 was five figures, right, And he was a rookie and stuff, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.880 and so I actually the old kind of legend on 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.720 the European Tour, John Paramore, the head rules official, just 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.600 one of the coolest people you could ever meet. I 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.120 mean he was just a prince of a guy, I 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.160 mean a gentleman. I actually said to John, I said, listen, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.360 we've got to try and fix this with Trevor. And 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.240 so in one of the practice I had John Paramore 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.400 come out and ride around with us for nine holes 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.360 and time Trevor. And when Trevor got out of time 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:08.880 or went over is a lot of time, he was like, 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.080 you're out of time, and I think it really kind 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:15.080 of helped Trevor see how to maybe streamline his routine. 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:16.520 I think a lot of it is you're trying to 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.440 get and we're not talking about tour golfers, right. I 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.480 mean sometimes when you go out on a golf course 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.080 and you're trying to get around a golf course, drive 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:26.880 around a golf course. I do that sometimes just to 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:28.160 go out and kind of take a look at the 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.520 golf course, and you'll get behind a group. I'm not playing, 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.600 I'm just riding around taking a look at We just 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.000 redid all our greens at the Floridian, did a couple 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:37.760 of redesigns some of the holes. So I did this 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.480 the other day. I wanted to go out our sixth 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.160 law re redesigned it. Wanted to go out and take 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.920 a look, and went out, drove around. I was pulling 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:45.960 up to the sixth hole and there was a group 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:50.080 before on the team. These were all like mid handicappers, right, 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:55.360 you know, just average recreational, everyday golfers, right, And so 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.440 I was trying to get around them and I had 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.280 to wait for them to tee off. Four of them. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.280 The amount of time it took for four people to 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:05.360 tee off was a joke, Like it took forever to 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.560 have four people stand up and make golf swings in 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.720 hit a golf ball, and I just was blown away 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.880 at how long it took. And I don't think finds 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:19.960 are the answers. I really really don't. There was a 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.560 player who plays on the PGA Tour and is a 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.120 human rain delay. It's a glacier. That's how slow he is. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.200 Everybody knows he's slow. Nobody wants to get paired with 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.640 the He won a tournament, made a poor on the 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.920 last hole, was on TV, and the last four or 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.080 five holes the back nine was just a joke. I 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.280 mean I think there were almost a hole and a 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.360 half two holes behind. This player made a great up 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.480 and down on the eighteenth hole to end up winning 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.680 by one. You wanted how to stop slow play. The 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.080 rules official walks up and goes, oh, and by the way, 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.960 you didn't win, We've docked you a stroke penalty. You're 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:54.640 going back to the eighteenth hole. You're now in a 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.840 playoff because of slow play. That would fix it. Finding 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.760 somebody fifty grand that's just made three million, four million, 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.480 two and a half million. It just doesn't work right. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.120 It doesn't work. It might work early on, like I said, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.000 the story I told about Trevor Immlman for rookies, but 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.480 the tour players and listen, there are some superstar household 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.440 names on all of the tours that are slow that 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.640 everybody knows slow. And then the other thing I think 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:26.520 that would change things is there's been zero transparency from 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.320 certainly from the PGA to there's a list of players 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.680 how much they're paying in slow play finds, how many 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.720 bad times they're getting, but none of that information ever 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.960 gets released, right, it's all kept in house. I think 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:45.160 if the fans knew how much certain players were getting fined, right, 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.520 how much they were paying over the course of the 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.600 year in slow play finds, I think the player's persona 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.639 might be different right in the public's eyes and the fans' eyes, 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.960 in the media's eyes, and I think maybe that would 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.520 somewhat be a catalyst to where you didn't want your 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.399 public image. I mean, listen, we all know who the 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.520 slow players are by the eye test, right by the 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.080 players in the group that they play with, if you're 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.879 following that, like, we know who those are. But if 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.359 there was a master list, and you could look at 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.800 you know, like every year, like the most penalized team 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.040 in the NFL. Right, you know who that is, right? 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.560 You know who the most penalized team in the NFL is. 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.440 I think if the tours would list slow play fines, 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.199 how many bad times where the public could go and 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.159 take a look at it. I think it would change 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.199 the way that the slow players played, I really do. 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.000 I think it would force them to kind of maybe 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.359 say listen, I don't want to have this image, but 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.960 I just don't think finds work. And I've talked to 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.879 a couple of rules officials that have said, listen, we 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.919 don't want to give a player a stroke penalty that 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.960 could affect their livelihood. Right, So you could give someone 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.280 a slow pay penalty one stroke and they end up 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.280 missing the cut and then they don't have an opportunity 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.320 to make money that week. I get that argument, and 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.399 I unders stand it. I don't agree with it because 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:06.880 I think that is just perpetuating the myth. And then 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.920 when they do find players, when they do give players 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:15.600 penalty strokes, it's never a player of any significance, Right, 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.040 It's never a superstar that is slow. It's always someone 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.840 that's at the back of the field, maybe an amateur, 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.800 maybe a qualifier and stuff, but it's never a superstar 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.000 that everybody knows is slow, right, that just doesn't happen. 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.240 So I just I think everybody in the game knows 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.399 its slow play is a problem. But I just question 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.639 if the powers that be really want to fix it 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.359 because every year we talk about it, every year they 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.920 say they're going to change it. And what it's doing. 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.800 It trickles down everything in the professional game, trickles down 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.200 to the average golfer, from the clothes that they wear, 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:56.879 from the mannerisms, from the swings, from the waggles to 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.720 the shoes to the potter. Right, everybody's trying to and 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:01.560 you'll the best players in the world. And one of 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:05.560 the really cool things about golf unlike professional football. Yeah, 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.240 you can go to a football game and wear a jersey, right, 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.919 and pretend like you're a part of the team, and 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.760 that's how you're showing your fandom. But in golf, you 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.040 can buy all of the equipment that your favorite player plays. 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.440 You can buy his driver, the same shaft with the 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.240 same grip. Do that with every club in the bag. 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.160 You could get the same wedges, you get the same 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.600 stamps on the wedges, you get the same putter, same 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.879 grip on the putting right. You can emulate that, and 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.640 you can buy all that. Like nobody's buying shoulder pads 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.320 and all the stuff that you would need helmets to 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.560 play in the NFL. No one's buying that stuff, right, 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.120 So everyone is trying to emulate what PJ door player 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.480