1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardon Territory. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes with Kyle Gibson Lancelynn on spring Break. Matt 3 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: Holliday is with Team USA. But what a nice opportunity 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: to say hello to Matt. Paul of cam A WEX 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Radio was kind of enough to join us now, Matt, welcome. 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: I know you just got back from spring training. I 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: don't see a tan, though, I don't see any signs 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: of a tan at all. 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: I'm naturally a little pasty white, so even though I 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: spent a fair amount of time outside down in Jupiter, 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: you're right, very little tan. 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: And that's the life that I that I live. 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: I guess Jim two, Jim, you know very well that 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: they don't necessarily like reflect sunlight into the media put 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: it there. You know what I'm saying. When you're doing 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: investigated journalism, when you're working in the locker room and 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: your work in the media booth, you're not on the beach. 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: I think this is a sign that Matt was doing 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: the working hard and he had a really good trip 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 3: learning about the Cardinals, so we ought to have some 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: pretty good conversations. 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: You're no Matt, Matt knows this. You're on the backfields. 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: That's where you get the sun because you got to 24 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: look at all these guys and maybe you're flying under 25 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: the radar. So Matt, I want to ask you, like, 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: obviously we're in rebuild with this, with this Wall club. 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: You were there, what are your main takeaways? What stood 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: out to you the positivity that exists. 29 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens when March twenty six hits 30 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: and the games actually start mattering. And I'm not going 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: to sit here and tell you that this is going 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: to be this team that just blows everybody out of 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: the water and surprises everybody and they have this amazing season. 34 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: That's not the point that I'm trying to make. But 35 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: to be cliche, it does feel like everybody is pulling 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: that rope in the same direction. And from a negative standpoint, 37 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: I mean, there's only a couple of small things. You know, 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: Mason went at one point, I had a little bit 39 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: it was a little bit injury. It missed a few 40 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: days of von Herrera doing a little bit of a 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: knee hunter Dobbins a little late getting in same thing 42 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: with Lars newt Bar But that's all I can think of. 43 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: Those are the most extreme negative things that have happened 44 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: in this camp. 45 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: So far, pitching has looked good. 46 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: Everybody seems to enjoy what's going on with this team, 47 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: so we can certainly dive into the specifics, but I 48 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: think I was I was really blown away by the 49 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: fact that the environment. It was the most positive camp 50 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: that I've been around in my handful of years. 51 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: Going down there and watching Cardinal Spring trainings. 52 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 3: You know what, I just I love hearing it. First Off, Sorry, Matt, 53 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 3: every now and then I jump in and I tell 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: Jim to just I had normally raised my hand, So Jim, 55 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: I apologize. I didn't raise my hand. But I love 56 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: hearing it because I think what kind of gets lost 57 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 3: in some of the mix when it comes to culture 58 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: and a locker room and a team and even a business. Right. 59 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: I love to train like this to real life because 60 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: you look at your work environment, and there's certain work 61 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: environments people want to be in, in certain work environments 62 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: you don't want to be in. And I love that 63 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: you say the positivity and the feel around it because 64 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: if you can tell that means the players have done 65 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: something different and it actually matters, and it really does matter. 66 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: I know it sounds like you said cliche and oh, well, 67 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 3: you know everybody's happening on, but it really does matter 68 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 3: when you agree. 69 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we spend too much time like 70 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: talking about leadership and how you find leadership. 71 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: To me, it's. 72 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: About going and getting good guys who are professionals, who 73 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: know how to conduct themselves in a professional way, and 74 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: then the leadership is just going to form out of that. 75 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: But when I'm sitting there in the clubhouse and I'm 76 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: looking at one corner and I see Ryan standing holding 77 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: court with the rest of the pitchers, and then I 78 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: see Mason Wynn and JJ weatherhold kind of messing with 79 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: each other from across the clubhouse and being a little 80 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: bit loud and things like that, it just it felt 81 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: like there was ownership inside of that clubhouse. And I'm 82 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: in the media, so I get thirty minutes to an 83 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: hour in the clubhouse every day. So for me to 84 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: sit here and say that I know everything that's going 85 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: on behind closed doors, that would be disingenuous. But I've 86 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: been around long enough and have seen enough things to 87 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: know that it just seemed like a really good environment. 88 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: And I think there are a lot of guys on 89 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: this team that are ready to be part of this 90 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: next core of Cardinals baseball, and there's a lot of 91 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: excitement that goes along with that. 92 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: I believe with this ball club, leadership is not the 93 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: thing they're going to be lacking, but they aren't trying 94 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: to find pisa to the puzzle so they can be 95 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: as competitive as possible as they rebuilt. And one of 96 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: the guys that has stood out so far as Josh 97 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: wall Buying, this twenty two year old who between hia 98 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: and double A last year twenty homers, close to two 99 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: ninety batting average and he's been a monster though are 100 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: in terms of games at spring training the Cardinals need 101 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: a right handed bat who can play outfield. Seems to 102 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: be that guy. But I'm getting the sense, Matt and 103 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,119 Speaker 1: you were there the Cardinals don't want to push guys 104 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: along too quickly. Yeah. 105 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: I think that's something and it's really going against industry 106 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: trends right now. You look across Major League Baseball and 107 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: a lot of teams are trying to force guys up 108 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: into the big leagues as quickly as possible, where there's 109 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: still a lot of development that's happening at the major 110 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: league level. This is Heim Bloom's first year as the 111 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: Cardinals president base of operations, so we'll see what he 112 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: actually does and the decisions that are being made. But 113 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: just based off what we're hearing from him, it feels 114 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: like he is somebody that thinks checking off success at 115 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: Triple A is part of the development process, and Triple 116 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: A is a weird, weird place where very few people 117 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: want to be at. The only guys who want to 118 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: be at Triple A are the guys who just got 119 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: there from Double A and they're there for like a 120 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: month later they're they want to be gone. It's a 121 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: bunch of guys who have been in the big leagues 122 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: and want to get back, or guys. 123 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: Who are ready to be in the big leagues. 124 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: Of Really it's very different than the other levels of 125 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: the minor league system, but him really sees that as 126 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: an important step in development. I think what Biaz is 127 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 2: doing right now is I think he's shortening. 128 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: His Triple A shelf life. 129 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is if he would 130 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: have had just a soso spring, I think he goes 131 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: to Triple A and he's there for a while and 132 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: he masters it. Now that he's at a point where 133 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: he has shown what he can do in big league camp. 134 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: Assuming this continues on for the next couple of weeks 135 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: through the end of spring training, if the numbers stay 136 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: kind of where they're at, I would think he ends 137 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: up at Triple A, but it's going to be a 138 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: little bit of a shorter trip for him, and that 139 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: we would see him at the big leagues at some 140 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: point this year. 141 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Kyle, you think that's a smart move. I mean, to me, 142 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: if you're rebuilding, is it that much different to put 143 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: a guy at Triple A or give him a shot 144 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: at the big league level and see how it goes. 145 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that? 146 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great point of 147 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 3: you know, shortening the Triple A runway and really, you know, 148 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: hopefully setting him up for success. Right there. There's a 149 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: mental side of this that you want to be very 150 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: aware of. You know. There's there's the mental side of, Okay, 151 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: taking a guy from High A or Double A and 152 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: putting them in the big leagues because you believe he's ready. 153 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: That's one thing the player himself needs to believe he's ready. 154 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: And we all walk around with a very comfortable level 155 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: of confidence until that confidence is shaken, and then when 156 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: you've never been to Triple A, now you're going back 157 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: to Triple A to kind of find a level of confidence. 158 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: And sometimes I can kind of play with you a 159 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah, so I think it's a good idea. 160 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: I think, you know, with some of the rules on, 161 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: you know, Rookie of the Year voting and service time 162 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: and stuff like that, I think you're gonna have less 163 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: and less hopefully deliberate service time manipulation. And I think 164 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: if you're the Cardinals, I don't necessarily think it helps 165 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: you to not have guys up there that you believe 166 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: could be part of your future, because at the same 167 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: time you're trying to figure o about figure out how 168 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: guys who have been here for a few years are 169 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: part of your future going forward. So yeah, I think 170 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: I think that's a great point. And hopefully, you know, 171 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: they can really lay this out for Joshua and say, hey, listen, 172 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: if in fact they do send him the Triple A, 173 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: he might break to the team. If in fact they 174 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: do send him a Triple A and say, hey, we 175 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 3: have noticed how good your spring is. Keep it going 176 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 3: to Triple A because you're one of the first guys 177 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: coming up whenever we need somebody. 178 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: One of the other things that Cardinals are figuring figuring out, 179 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of them because they're doing this 180 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: kind of on the fly, is it's a rebuild. Is 181 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: pitching and Andre Polante has been really good or not 182 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: so good. I know Kyle Gibson that is very high 183 00:08:55,559 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: on Polonte. Pits well the other day. I think he's 184 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: a guy who works as hard as anyone correct in 185 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: those things. So, Matt, what's your sense of where the 186 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals are with Plante in terms of him possibly being 187 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: part of the rotation. By the way, I said some 188 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: on social media about this, because I do know a 189 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: lot of baseball people who believe that whatever the problems 190 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: were last year for Plonte, they were fixable and he 191 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: will fix them. So they're high on Polante. What word 192 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: were you getting in Florida? 193 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Polonte is gonna be part of the 194 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: rotation to start the season, and for no other reason, 195 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: I think they're likely to use six starters in the 196 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: first month. I don't think it's gonna be a straight 197 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 2: six man rotation. They're gonna do some creative things. Some 198 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: guys maybe on a five day turn. Some guys maybe 199 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: on a six day turn. There's some off days and there, 200 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: so there's a lot going on, but almost no matter what, 201 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: I think Polonte's gonna be in the rotation to start 202 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: the season and then you see where it goes from there. Look, 203 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 2: the numbers last year weren't good. We know that he 204 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: pitched to a five point three to one ERA, and 205 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: that doesn't even tell the whole story because the second 206 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: half of the season he really really struggled. To your point, Jim, 207 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: and you're right, Andre Polonte is as hard of a 208 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: worker as is out there, and he went into the 209 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: offseason saying, how do I fix this? And he's added 210 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: some pitches, he's refined some pitches. I also think he's 211 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: going to change his mix a little bit because he 212 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 2: was successful earlier on in his career. Like you look 213 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: at what his fastball did, and it's kind of a 214 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: unique fastball that had a lot more success earlier on 215 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: and that has lately. So maybe you put that away 216 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: for a little bit, or you choose to use it 217 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: at different spots. He pitched yesterday, pitched on Sunday, and 218 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: he looked really good. 219 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: He went four. 220 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: Innings, gave up just a run on two hits. After 221 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: the game, Oliver Marmele said, that's as good as we 222 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: have seen Andre Polante. If he continues to pitch like that, 223 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: he's going to be really good. So I don't think 224 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: we just ignore what happened last year, and that's why 225 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: fans pushed back on you a little bit, Jim. The 226 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: numbers are what the numbers are. You don't ignore that. 227 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: You recognize it. You realize that he has some things 228 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: to work on, but you also leave open the possibility 229 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: that the work he did is going to be effective. 230 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: And let's not forget he's got a track record on 231 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: doing this. Two years ago it was not going so 232 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: well for him. That's when they sent him to Triple A. 233 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: He made the choice that he wanted to go there 234 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: to work as a starter, and when he came back, 235 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: he was the most effective starting pitcher for the Cardinals 236 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 2: in the second half of the season. So that shows 237 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: you he's a guy who knows how to fix things. 238 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: Now we'll see if it's going to work this year, 239 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: but I think he'll get that opportunity of the rotation 240 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: to start the year. 241 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: What do you like about him? 242 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: Copery A lot. I agree with all that. I think 243 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: he's definitly a guy that works hard and loves to 244 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: find things that can refine what he's doing. Listen, I 245 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: think it's no cigarette. I've been that guy with the 246 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: five yard. I've been that guy who goes through season 247 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 3: struggles and sometimes those struggles were four or five of 248 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 3: my thirty starts, and sometimes it was kind of mediocre 249 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: for twelve or fifteen starts, and every now and then 250 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 3: you feel like you're hitting your head against the wall. 251 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 3: You can't figure out what it is. So do I 252 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: think spring training is always going to be a good 253 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 3: barama where he's at or where pitchers or hitters are at. No. 254 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: But I think Andre through the years, with how he's 255 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: bounced back, but how he's made adjustments, I think he's 256 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: earned himself a little bit of runway here. And then 257 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: I think on top of that, and what really can 258 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: be dove into is how Dusty and Julio in the 259 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: pitching department see the changes. Okay, we can see the 260 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: changes in his stat line less walks, more strikeouts, less hits, 261 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: whatever it is, that doesn't always tell the whole story. 262 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: If they're going for a specific type of movement on 263 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: a pitch or location on a pitch, that's what you're 264 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 3: going for. Like you said, Matt, Andre has a funky 265 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: delivery and his stuff moves different than really almost anybody's 266 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: in the big leagues. In twenty twenty four, he was 267 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: trying to make his slider go to the left, and 268 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: Lance and I were sitting here saying, Andre, you're throwing 269 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: from eleven o'clock on the sun dial up here, not 270 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: two o'clock like most guys are. You're not gonna make 271 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: a slider Bill lev very easily, So you have to 272 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: use the appearance of it going left. And as he 273 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: makes adjustments, as he figures out how some of this 274 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: new stuff is gonna work, He's gonna make adjustments because 275 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: it just he really does have that desire to put 276 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 3: those adjustments to play. And he trusts his coaches as well. 277 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 3: And I think that's another thing. He listens really well, 278 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 3: and he's willing to try out anything. 279 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: You know, we can talk about this all we want. 280 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: Excuse me, Jim, we could talk about this all all 281 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: we want here. 282 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: The bottom line is we're not gonna get real answers 283 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: until the regular season gets started, because you don't have 284 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: hitters that are really game planning for pitchers, and spring training, 285 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: these hitters are going to the plate and they're trying 286 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: to work on their own stuff. So that's that's the wonderful, 287 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: amazing thing about baseball is you find out if what 288 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: you're doing is actually going to work or not. So 289 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: once the regular season gets started and hitters come to 290 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: the plate and are actually game planning for Polante, then 291 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: we get to see whether or not all the work 292 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: he did in the offseason and all the work that 293 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: he did in spring training is actually effective or not. 294 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: A his hitters, so pictures game plan and work on 295 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: certain things obviously, like you said, hitters do, and so 296 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: who knows what we're seeing at spring training. We've seen 297 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: from Gorman, a guy who they're not a count non 298 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: at third base with some power a little bit, but 299 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: not really hitting. Obviously, he's trying to build on what 300 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: he was trying to do last year, which had some 301 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: mixed results. Matt, where do you think Gorman is right now? Yeah? 302 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: And it's first off, he came to camp looking fantastic. 303 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: You know, we always make fun of the best shape 304 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: of my life thing, but he literally he looked not 305 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: many guys came in looking different. I think Gorman came 306 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: in looking different. Joel Poso came in looking different, but 307 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: most guys, I mean, you're just not gonna you're not 308 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: gonna see it. So but Gorman came in looking different. 309 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: I think he's over defensively at third base. It's been 310 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: pretty good for him here. We know about the power, 311 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: and he's hit the two home runs. The first home 312 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: run he hit of spring, he took it the other 313 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: way and put it over the wall in left center field. 314 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: I thought that was a really good development for him. 315 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: It's it's I'm not trying to not answer the question. 316 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: I'm just it's spring training, and you always take these 317 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: spring training stats with a grain of salt. He's another 318 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: guy who's going to get the opportunity to start the season. 319 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: I'm not worry I'm worried about two things with Gorman. 320 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: I'm worried about it. I'm not striking out, you know, 321 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: averaging two strikeouts a game. If he if he finds 322 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: a way to make more contact, the home runs are 323 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: going to come. The power is going to come. I 324 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: don't really care that much about his batting average. If 325 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: he's not striking out, the batting average is just going 326 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: to go up because he's making a little bit more 327 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: contact and he makes hard contact. You make hard contact, 328 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: you're gonna get hits, You're gonna get extra base hits, 329 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: you're going to get home runs. It's still a really 330 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: big question mark. He is somebody who I think he 331 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: he's got limited leash this year. When he got the 332 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: opportunity last season when Nolan Arnado got hurt, he really 333 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: didn't run with it. There was a point earlier in 334 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: the season. There was about a six week period last 335 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: year where you could have made the argument that Gorman 336 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: was the best hitter on the team, But then unfortunately, 337 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: when he got that third base opportunity, he wasn't able 338 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: to do much with it. So I think we are 339 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: now at the point with Gorman that he's going to 340 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: get that leash at the beginning of the season. He's 341 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: got to hit home runs, he's got to hit for power, 342 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: he's got to reduce the strikeouts. If he does that, 343 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: he's going to be okay. And I think some of 344 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: the things we have seen so far in spring would 345 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: at least show that there was a path towards him 346 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: moving that way, just with some of. 347 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: The hard contact he's been able to make Matt. 348 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: Two things. One, you don't ever need to apologize the 349 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: Jim for not answering your question. He is so used 350 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: to us dodging some of his questions. I did it 351 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: all last week. He tried to bait me into answers 352 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 3: last week and I wouldn't give it. So I like it. 353 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: Jim wants Spring Training scoop, and some times you just 354 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: can't give it to them. The other thing is we 355 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: have heard from Lance Linn about when he comes to 356 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 3: camp looking good or not. So I'm glad he's not here. 357 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: He might be he might be run with that answer 358 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: a little bit about looking good or looking good in camp. 359 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: I think I was talking about Matt before you were, uh, 360 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, covering the Cardinals. They told Lance Lynn to 361 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: come to Camp Skinny. Came to Camp Skinny and he 362 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: was horrible. Then they told him go eat a few 363 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: sandwiches and get back to us. Well, nobody here, Nobody 364 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: was asking lance to cover the hot corner either. I 365 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: mean a little different, a little different, a little different, Kyle. 366 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: One of the things that they've unveiled at spring training 367 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: is a brand new eating facility for the players where 368 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: it's a huge I know it used to be a 369 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: huge credit. And also they're keeping like all the different 370 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: groups together. It's not like this big separation between the 371 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: miners and majors as a way to sort of build 372 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: some sort of camaraderie. And do you agree with that? 373 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: Is that something that if you were one of the 374 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: veteran guys you'd be on board with. 375 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not many facilities. I'm trying to think if 376 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: I ever played in one facility that was set up 377 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 3: that could actually house minor league and major league guys 378 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: eating in the same area. I love it because I 379 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: think even guys who are in Big league camp, who 380 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: are as non roster guys or minor league guys, maybe 381 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 3: it gives them fifteen or twenty minutes of seeing some 382 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: of their buddies from their Double A team or their 383 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: Low A team and kind of digest to what they've 384 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 3: gone through a little bit. And it gives them a 385 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: chance to answer questions and talk about what they're going through. 386 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: But there's not many facilities like that, So if that's 387 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: kind of the new setup, I love it. You know, 388 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: I don't think it's normally a Hey, let's separate the 389 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: big league in the minor league guys. Because of reason ABC. 390 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 3: I think it's more of the facilities even in the 391 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: last ten years, just weren't set up to feed a 392 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: couple hundred people at a time. So if that's part 393 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: of the new setup, I like it. Integrating integrating the 394 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: minor league in the major leagues and letting everybody, you know, 395 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: be able to communicate and and be around each other. 396 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: I like it. I think we're seeing all across the 397 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: league organizations are taking nutrition more and more serious. As 398 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: a husband of somebody who studying nutrition and finis at Miszoo, 399 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: I know she's been Elizabeth been trying to have for 400 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: a long time, even back to my time with the twins, Like, man, 401 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 3: where's the nutritions, where's the dietician? Where can we what 402 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: can we do to you know, get guys eating foods 403 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 3: that might feel their body better. So, you know, as 404 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 3: they've developed that more in the minor leagues, I think 405 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 3: it only makes sense to to put that into spring training, 406 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: get guys on those regiments early, and offer those services 407 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: for any and everybody, because I think we all know 408 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: you're gonna need you know, who knows forty five fifty 409 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 3: players to get through a big league season. So you 410 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 3: want to have everybody on that same regiment in program. 411 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 2: That you came and I can go ahead, Yeah, if 412 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: I can add just one thing, it's it's more than 413 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 2: just the players too. When you walk in there, it's 414 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: it's staff members. It's you might walk in and Rob 415 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: Sorfolio might be sitting there and maybe that's a great 416 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: opportunity for somebody to sit down and have a ten 417 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: minute conversation with him, Matt Pierrepont, Larry. They even allow 418 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: of the broadcasters to go in there if you want to. 419 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: So it's uh, I Blue, they do, they do. Heim 420 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: Bloom has said this has to be an organization of 421 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: collaboration and everybody has to be pulling in the same direction. 422 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: And one way to make that happen is to that 423 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 2: everybody's breaking bread together. 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That's no disrespect to the WBC or anything, 478 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: but everyone knows that when the Olympics are on, everyone watching. 479 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: So basically what he wants, gentlemen, is he wants baseball 480 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: to be back in the Olympics, and he's hoping that 481 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: with the next CBA that that's taken care of. So 482 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Kyle. World Baseball Classic gets fun. 483 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: It's a ball to watch, and we haven't even seen 484 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: the good stuff yet, right. Is it different than the Olympics. 485 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that? 486 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I think the main difference 487 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 3: to me is and I'd have to really sit here 488 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 3: and think back to some of these events. You know, 489 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 3: we're obviously adding events here and there, which is interesting. 490 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 4: But. 491 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 3: How many you know you have soccer? I think everybody 492 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: loves Olympic soccer. Everybody loves watching Olympic basketball. And I 493 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 3: say this students because team sports really I think elevate 494 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: in the Olympics and and add something outside of the 495 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: individual achievement that you get to accomplish for your country. 496 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I I agree with Bryce. I think, 497 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 3: you know, having the Olympics ad baseball back would be 498 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: awesome and you know, doing something like hockey or you know, 499 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 3: you take a couple of week hiatus and you get 500 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: to send you know, the best from from MLB uh 501 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: to play for their country, similar to the WBC here. 502 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: You know, I think it'd be really awesome. And I 503 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 3: don't I understand it being the middle of the season 504 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 3: all right, but other than the middle of the season, 505 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 3: spring training is some of the most important time for 506 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: baseball team to get ready for the year. So the 507 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 3: excuse of oh, well that's spring training, we can send 508 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 3: guys because they're just getting ready, Uh No, I think 509 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 3: we're seeing the Detroit Tigers and Trek Scooble having to 510 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 3: really weigh a decision to play again or not in 511 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 3: the WBC because it is spring training. So you know, 512 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 3: I think that'd be really exciting to see baseball back 513 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: in the Olympics and have they'll be guys player. 514 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: So the rush gifts begger though for playing in the 515 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: Olympics matt in the middle of the season, just because 516 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: there's less time to recuperate if something goes awry, someone 517 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: tweaks them at the World Baseball Class we've seen it 518 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: go the other way where it's worse than that, but 519 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: you do have more of a cushion. So what do 520 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: you think then, in terms of word baseball will land 521 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: on taking a break for the Olympics. I'd be all 522 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: for it because I think it's cool. I'm good for 523 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: the game. What's your take. 524 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always said that the WBC happens during the 525 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: least terrible time to have it, because there's just not 526 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: a good time for it actually to take place. In concept, 527 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: the idea of taking a couple weeks off to have 528 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: major leaguers in the Olympics, that seems awesome. It's in 529 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: my lifetime. Even though the baseball was previously in the 530 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 2: Olympics and it's going to begin in my lifetime, we 531 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: haven't seen big leaguers in the Olympics. I think the 532 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: Australian catcher Nils, if I remember hitting him correctly, he 533 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: didn't sign with a major League baseball team one year 534 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: just so he could play in the Olympics. I can 535 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 2: remember one year there was a Cardinals triple a guy 536 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: who won a medal in the Olympics because they allowed 537 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: minor leaguers to go. I remember being at a game 538 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 2: once where he was being presented or not presented, but 539 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: had his medal on before the game. But to actually 540 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: stop things for like Kyle said, for two weeks, like 541 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: NHL does. I do wonder about the logistics about that. 542 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: How does that impact the guys who are not playing 543 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: the Olympics. What are they going to do for those 544 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 2: two weeks. What's that ramp up period going to be 545 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: when they come back. So I love the concept of 546 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: major leaguers in the Olympics. It would be so awesome. 547 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 2: The actual mechanism to those things taking place, I do 548 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 2: question if that's going to happen, And yeah, it would 549 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 2: have to be a part of the next CBA, and 550 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: there's so many things that need to be worked through 551 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: on the CBA, So I wonder if they even get 552 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: to that. And deep down, how do owners feel about 553 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 2: the idea of maybe losing some of their guys in 554 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 2: the middle of the season to play really important games. 555 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 2: And you know a lot of times Major League Baseball 556 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 2: owners operate motivated by fear, and I would just think 557 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 2: that there'd be a lot of fear from the owners 558 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: on what that might look like. 559 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: I think it does. It helps that it'd be summer 560 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 3: of twenty eight, you know, I don't think that's something 561 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 3: that you have to get into the CBA right now. 562 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 3: I think that's something that you can add in, you know, 563 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: maybe in the offseason after twenty seven, you know, amended 564 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 3: a little bit and maybe just do a one type thing, 565 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 3: although you know it would technically be two summer Olympics. 566 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 3: You know, maybe it's something that you know, the Olympics 567 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 3: doesn't have baseball in it in twenty thirty soth Might 568 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: that matter? But I think that's something that we can 569 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: add in. I also believe that owners talk to owners 570 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: of other franchises, and it'd be interesting to see what 571 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: hockey owners think. Interesting to see, like, you know, are 572 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 3: they really worried about the injuries? Of course they are, 573 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: Are they or are they benefited by the game growing 574 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: and having eyes on the sport. I don't know. If 575 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 3: you're the team that your player gets hurt, obviously you're 576 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 3: disappointed and there might not be anything you can do 577 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: about that other than I haven't played, but you know, 578 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 3: NHL's made that decision, and you know, it'd be interesting 579 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: to see if if MLB would would do that as well. 580 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: But if they're gonna send minor leaguers, you're still taking 581 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 3: a chance that that guy's hurt. Are you sending only 582 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 3: players that have zero chance of being called up? 583 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. 584 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: It seems interesting, but I hear all your points. I agree, 585 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 3: it's it's tough. I think if you I don't know, 586 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: maybe the Olympics don't fall over the All Star break, but 587 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: if it does, then you know you're really talking about 588 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 3: you've already gotten five days work in there, you're really 589 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 3: losing another six days seven. Okay, let's talk about just 590 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 3: like in COVID, you can't take the playoffs too far 591 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 3: in November. So now maybe you're talking about, all right, 592 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: this is the one time that we're going to go 593 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 3: from one sixty two to one fifty, and we're gonna 594 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: go ahead and shrink this season so we can get 595 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: you know, ten games in for you know, for the Olympics. 596 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not saying it's a great solution, 597 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: but I think there's I don't think the owners would 598 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 3: ever go for it one less games for them to 599 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: drive revenue. 600 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: And also, if let me ask you this, Kyle, if 601 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: you owned a team, let's say you and Lance and 602 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: Holiday pulled your money and bought a team, and then 603 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: your best players that you need to get you to 604 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: a World Series want to play. Would you say, go ahead, 605 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: go for it? 606 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: Would you jim Jimmy, I'm not saying this as matter 607 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 3: of fact, they would love to load the number of games. 608 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: I think. I think they would love to go from 609 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 3: one sixty two to one fifty two and do something 610 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 3: different or one fifty I think that is something that 611 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: absolutely is on the table. So I don't think lowering 612 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 3: the game number is it because I I think they 613 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 3: I don't know. That's probably for another another edition of 614 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 3: Cardinal Territory, but because they've already talked about that. So 615 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: I probably didn't answer the rest of your question, So 616 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 3: I apologize for not catching it. I got one track. 617 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: Would you do it? Would you do it? Would you 618 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: risk for your player getting the hurt? 619 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 3: So I guess the question becomes, is it any different 620 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: if a guy blows out in spring training and you 621 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 3: miss him for the whole year, or a guy gets 622 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: hurt in the WBC, or a guy gets hurt April 623 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 3: first and misses sixty days, or a guy gets hurt 624 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 3: July fifteenth playing in the Olympics. More than likely, unless 625 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: it's some crazy injury of getting hit and you break something, 626 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: there's a chance that that injury was going to happen 627 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: if it's a soft connective tissue injury that was caused 628 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: by repetition. So trying to prevent injuries. Jim, how have 629 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: we done with preventing injuries? 630 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: I asked you a question. I'm gonna I'm gonna move 631 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: on to Matt. Matt. Let's say you, Tom Ackerman. 632 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: I'm good with it. Jim, I'm good with it. All right. 633 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: You want to hurt, I'm good with it. Okay, let's go. 634 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: From a fan perspective. I want to see it now 635 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: if I if I were running the program, I might 636 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: have a different point of view. Matt. Let's say you 637 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: and Tom Ackerman and the rest of the big money 638 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: people at Camawax throw Steve Moore in there, decided to 639 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: buy a major league team, and now it's on you 640 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: whether or not you are for letting your players go 641 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: to the Olympics and maybe playing some qualifying games somewhere 642 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: one of your guys gets hurt. Would you be for 643 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: it if it were your team. 644 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: If it's my team, I'm probably being a little bit 645 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: more selective at who I want participating. There's gonna be 646 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: some individuals that I just I don't want it. There's 647 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: somebody's got an injury history. 648 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: And with the WBE, you. 649 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: Know, teams are not supposed to say no to players 650 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 2: unless there's an injury issue, and then at that point 651 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: the teams have a little bit more rights. And we've 652 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: seen the insurance as you pop up as well. But 653 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: I again, I love the idea of it, but no, 654 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 2: if I own a team, there's gonna be some guys 655 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: on the team that I probably do not want participating 656 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: in the Olympics right in the middle of the season. 657 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 3: By the way, I know we talked about WBC being 658 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 3: in the best at the worst time, right, but in 659 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 3: the month of April, if you lose a player for 660 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: most of the month of April or some April, you 661 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 3: can lose a division in April. You can't win a 662 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 3: division in April. So losing those guys early is just 663 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 3: as bad. Sometimes because then you get to the end 664 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: of the season and you wish you had fifteen more 665 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 3: games of you name the player. So I hear you, 666 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 3: injury stick. The Olympics are awesome. 667 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: I understand. I just think there's more cushion when it happened. 668 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 3: Drill. 669 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for this edition of 670 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory. Matt, thank you for joy us Kyle, always 671 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: a pleasure to see you and having you dodge my questions. 672 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time for the next episode. Hopefully 673 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: that one won't suck.