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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: This is Mick Shot screaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: And the official Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones,

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Speaker 1: Heckma Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 4: It is a back to work Wednesday here inside the

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Speaker 4: SWBC podcast studio.

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Speaker 3: Some of us worked yesterday, some of us one of us.

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Speaker 4: I'm not talking about you, Mickey, I'm talking about oh,

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Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboy He's football. Oh okay, thank you if

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Speaker 4: you've forgotten about them, I thought you were talking about

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Speaker 4: no mix shots yesterday. Chargers Week is officially underway. Yes

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Speaker 4: it is, and uh we welcome you in here to

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Speaker 4: the s to BBC podcast studio for mix shots. Bill Jones,

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Speaker 4: Everson Walls, I'm gonna save Hecma for last, Mickey Spagnola,

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Speaker 4: and the star of our show today is Hec Harris.

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Speaker 4: What do I get?

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Speaker 2: Why do I get that? Because we missed you yes.

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Speaker 4: This day Monday. We missed all of Monday yesterday while

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Speaker 4: Mickey was at the Salvation Army, Yeah, doing community service stuff.

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Speaker 4: But we really miss you HECMA.

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Speaker 5: Means, hey, man, you know you talk about a terrible,

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Speaker 5: no good, very bad Monday.

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Speaker 2: That was me.

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Speaker 5: Cowboys lose and then I have to go through what

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Speaker 5: I had to go through. So whatever, and I am here.

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Speaker 5: I didn't get the rundown, Bro, you didn't get the

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Speaker 5: rundown of what for the from the loss? You want

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Speaker 5: me to run down the loss?

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Speaker 4: He didn't want to depress him off even further.

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Speaker 6: It is depressing, though, it really is. And you weren't here.

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Speaker 6: You probably didn't have a chance to listen. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: we were kind of droning on.

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Speaker 2: Did you what y'all come up with? What y'all come

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Speaker 2: up with?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but he came in with his letter jacket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't stop.

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Speaker 7: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 3: He thought he looked like mine from high school?

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Speaker 2: Is that right? You had the bigger collar on it didn't.

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Speaker 3: It looks like it looks we had yellow sleeves. It

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Speaker 3: looks like we're the collegiate sleeves.

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 4: It looks like Mickey's from high school because it doesn't

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Speaker 4: have any patches.

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Speaker 3: I had a letter, but you.

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Speaker 4: Got to put your whole state patcher. Like ever since

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Speaker 4: his letter jacket from high school. There were patches up

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Speaker 4: one sleep and down the other sleeve, right, Not true?

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Speaker 7: Not true.

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Speaker 3: I bet I had one more than he did.

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Speaker 7: Now, I just had our district. That's all I got.

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Speaker 7: And we we were we were first.

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Speaker 6: Year four A at the time, and we kind of sucked. Okay,

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Speaker 6: we kind of sell truth. We barely got little five hundred,

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Speaker 6: but have first year four A. We were, you know,

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Speaker 6: kind of proud of that. But you know, but at

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Speaker 6: the time was a very new high school. I think

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Speaker 6: it was only five years old at the time, so yeah,

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Speaker 6: you you know.

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Speaker 4: And only one team back then, only one team from

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Speaker 4: each district made playoffs. The district champion made the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Now there's four from each district.

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Speaker 7: Trying to figure out who won.

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Speaker 6: I believe it was Richardson that won in nineteen seventy six,

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Speaker 6: seventy six?

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Speaker 7: Why'd you have to repeat that?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 2: Just I was just thinking myself, what are you thinking making?

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Speaker 7: What were you thinking? Taking your head?

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 7: Just like seventy six existed?

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Speaker 2: I know now, I know, now, I know you.

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Speaker 5: I'm stinking you in high school in seventy six. That's

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Speaker 5: with a big at road.

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Speaker 6: That's all Goode, which is something that you probably can

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Speaker 2: See, not at the current not at the current day.

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Speaker 2: But hey, don't you worry. I had my Reggie Jackson.

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Speaker 4: You know that you had an Oscar gamble, had an

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Speaker 4: Oscar Gamble afro.

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Speaker 6: I had a Michael Jackson afro. Okay, yeah, I had

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Speaker 6: a Silvers afro. You don't know about the Silvers. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I had a Silver's afro.

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Speaker 7: Okay, that's seventy six, mackey.

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Speaker 4: You did have a patch in your letter jacket.

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Speaker 3: I had a seventy one for playing for the district

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Speaker 3: tennis championship.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, all right, go ahead, a little back and row.

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Speaker 2: You played?

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Speaker 3: You played, uh not all the time, but yes, did so.

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Speaker 3: You contributed to singles.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.

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Speaker 3: Not in the district tournament.

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Speaker 7: No, that's okay. Okay, So you got them there.

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Speaker 3: I got, I helped.

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Speaker 6: He's not I got bragging at all.

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Speaker 3: Probably got participation.

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Speaker 4: I was on participation patch.

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Speaker 5: Now you know why I didn't get your joey.

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Speaker 7: You guys have all these opportunities.

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Speaker 3: And by seventy five I did have an afro underneath

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Speaker 3: my graduate. I bet you I have to bring it in.

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Speaker 6: You know, the Italians got to come with it, man, Italians,

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Speaker 6: come with it.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: What did he say?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well all right, we got all that

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Speaker 3: of welcome back, welcome back.

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Speaker 4: He diverted attention away from the elephant in the room,

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Speaker 4: which is your.

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Speaker 3: Dallas cowboys are back to work today.

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Speaker 4: They are back to work today.

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Speaker 3: It looks like they're going after Supreme, back to work

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Speaker 3: even it's been raining or foggy or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Was that right?

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Speaker 3: Created heavy missed and missed out.

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Speaker 4: There, producer Supreme, by the way, uh is, his attention

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Speaker 4: is diverted to at and T Stadium. Right now, we're

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Speaker 4: first of twelve state championship games.

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Speaker 2: I want to help you guys out with something.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm amongst the AARP crowd.

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Speaker 2: I want seventy one seventy six. I just I didn't.

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Speaker 3: You'll get that raise, no.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt. I'm on my way. Guys.

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Speaker 5: If your insurance has a little thing down at the

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Speaker 5: bottom that says, you know, in case, you know, if

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Speaker 5: you need a rental car and a lot of people

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Speaker 5: would select the lowest amount you possibly can, let me tell.

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Speaker 2: You don't do that to yourself.

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Speaker 5: Okay, don't do that all right, select fifty been fifty

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Speaker 5: dollars seventy five dollars gold to maximum right as much

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Speaker 5: as you possibly can, because I'm telling you, the rental

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Speaker 5: my feet through the floorboard and pedaling here and Barney, yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is horrible. I mean, I just I don't want

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Speaker 5: to take the show off the rails. I'm just telling

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Speaker 5: you what they showed up with. I said, there's no way,

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Speaker 5: there is absolutely no way. I'm right, did you fit? No,

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Speaker 5: I don't. I'm in it, but you know, I'm I'm

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Speaker 5: I'm pushed. I'm it's it's so bad, guys, it's so bad,

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Speaker 5: you know. And I drive a pretty big car. So

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Speaker 5: going from what I am in now to what I Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's so you have pedals or it should it should

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Speaker 5: have a sale on the back of it. I should

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Speaker 5: have sailed here. It's terrible, It is horrible. Don't do

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Speaker 5: that to yourself.

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Speaker 4: That's some good life advice right here.

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Speaker 2: So for everybody, don't youself.

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Speaker 7: That's good advice.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get the show the road. I'm I'm

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Speaker 6: Real, tell you that we did kind of want to

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Speaker 6: have a hint of just what you went through.

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Speaker 7: And I think that kind of told us there.

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Speaker 5: It was in an accident on Monday, Man, of all

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Speaker 5: god forsaken things that have happened to me, I told her.

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Speaker 2: I called him.

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Speaker 7: I said, you know, if you were a better athlete,

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Speaker 7: you could have avoided it was.

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Speaker 5: No avoiding this was how does somebody call you to

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Speaker 5: send some Hey are you okay? And then I tell him, like, well,

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Speaker 5: if you was a better athlete, like ever said? Man,

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Speaker 5: The last thing I want to hear right now is

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Speaker 5: I sit here fuming over this accident. It's my reaction.

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Speaker 5: Time should have been better than I tell you. You are

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Speaker 5: not the person to call for empathy. I knew that

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Speaker 5: you already over it. Okay, that's what it was, and

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Speaker 5: now we have Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes it's beyond your control.

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Speaker 2: Tight, Thank god. I'm good. I'm all right. Yeah. The

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Speaker 2: only thing wrong with me right now is my Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: Somebody please tell me what we're gonna do with our

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Speaker 5: defensive coordinator, because did you did.

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Speaker 2: Y'all talk about that? Is that okay?

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Speaker 7: Like that isn't that item number one?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Well, so that was that was the biggest.

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Speaker 2: Problem the defense.

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Speaker 5: No, you said the coordinator, but one of the biggest

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Speaker 5: I think, know, what I really want to talk about

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Speaker 5: is what Jerry said about the coordinator?

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Speaker 2: What five three?

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Speaker 5: So what I believe or anybody else believed what the

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Speaker 3: Well, he didn't say. He just said, we got three

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Speaker 3: more games to judge.

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Speaker 5: So interpreting Jerry, that is what Mickey, you've known.

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Speaker 3: The loan as in given up on the season winning games, Okay,

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Speaker 3: And I think that was part of that discussion, wasn't it,

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Speaker 3: Because they were asking him would he rather have a

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Speaker 3: we're playing to win. And then he said, when that

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Speaker 3: what questions about if the defensive coordinator needed to be

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Speaker 3: replaced for the fourth time in four years.

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Speaker 6: So, well, the fact that he said that that, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: that means that the verdict is still out and to

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Speaker 6: me that doesn't old well necessarily, I wouldn't call that

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Speaker 3: So basically, then what you're saying is we got all

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Speaker 3: we need on defense. We just need somebody to coordinate

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Speaker 3: it better.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: No, that's not what that's I would say. I wish

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Speaker 6: I would say. I expected us to continue to improve.

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Speaker 3: Right, and they were. We didn't until the last two games.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 6: Well, that ain't continuation. That's that's just right, that's that's

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Speaker 6: not continuation.

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Speaker 3: But they played to they played to what playoff quality.

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Speaker 6: Teams, not not not last week. No, no, I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: No, no, I didn't mean that. I meant two teams

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Speaker 3: that were pretty good. Lash I should.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I understand that. But having having said that, when

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Speaker 6: you're going for this uh crusade, I guess you might

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Speaker 6: call it that they were on trying to you know,

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Speaker 6: we're trying to win out, at least close to winning out.

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Speaker 6: It's just kind of tough to see that your defense

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Speaker 3: Those were career highs for JJ.

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Speaker 3: He got I was going to say healthy. His stats

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Speaker 7: And let's just be real.

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Speaker 7: They are veterans.

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Speaker 6: They are guys that you depend on not to make

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Speaker 7: We don't.

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Speaker 7: He makes a play. Weird play.

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Speaker 6: this way. Cliff Harris, Michael Downs. You know all these

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Speaker 7: They surprise you.

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Speaker 6: They came out and they played their asses off right,

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Speaker 6: They played above their heads come to find out. No,

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Speaker 7: I want to see that positive outcome.

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about guys on the defensive front that

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Speaker 6: I am okay, I'm talking about second, I'm talking about

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Speaker 6: Those players were successful before they got here. So I'm

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Speaker 7: Now my hope, my hopes are lifted, and now they're

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Speaker 6: So that's just a frustration speaking as a fan, not

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Speaker 3: All right, love, So if you had to first possession position,

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Speaker 3: you have to add on defense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for next year? What is it? Linebacker? Okay?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because because we're not stopping to run?

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Speaker 3: Okay, is it the system or the personnel you're putting?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, personnel? Right, personnel?

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Speaker 3: Did you see the play on the goal line?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, I mean personnel. I mean make make it

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Speaker 5: when I look at the hire of ebra Flus, ebra

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Speaker 5: All right, Now, you bring in Quinn Williams, you fix

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Speaker 5: some of those errors, but they're still blaring errors at

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Speaker 5: it is, our defense can't get off the field, because

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Speaker 2: We're still being victimized.

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Speaker 5: And even when you fix things like you're getting pressured

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Speaker 5: they're still like these times where you're looking at our

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Speaker 5: And I don't want to put it all on Ibra

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Speaker 5: But you're looking at Brian Floores playing with older players,

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Speaker 5: the system to at least allow these guys to play

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Speaker 5: whether it's as a rock o whether, but it's not

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Speaker 5: Linebackers are absolutely needed safeties. I mean, these are just

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Speaker 5: hope is lifted, we need it.

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Speaker 2: And it's dashed.

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Speaker 3: How many times did they touch JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 7: Probably not much at all, Probably not much at all.

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Speaker 3: One time they had one quarterback hit.

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Speaker 2: That was it. They didn't. Yeah, they didn't.

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Speaker 3: No sacks, that's what I mean. Yeah, if you sacked them,

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Speaker 7: Detroit was pretty much the same.

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Speaker 3: One quarterback hit. So you can talk about the linebackers,

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Speaker 3: defensive ends pretty damn important to refurbish. Now, I understand

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Speaker 3: and I understood that. But Dante Fowler, Yeah, Sam Williams,

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Speaker 2: He's still learning on the job.

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Speaker 3: Right, he's a rookie. So but who else, who else

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Speaker 7: I'm just trying to figure out what combination is to take.

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Speaker 3: There is there some sort of system to get guys

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Speaker 6: I lived off of them, trust me, I know I

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Speaker 6: You can count my interceptions based on my defensive line.

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Speaker 7: And so I understand that.

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Speaker 6: very well. We've got to find a combination that's gonna

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Speaker 7: You know, you would think that that would improve.

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Speaker 3: Everything, but it should help the outside guys.

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Speaker 6: It definitely improved for a minute, and then you expect

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Speaker 7: Hey that better than we thought.

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Speaker 6: Yeah that's good. That better than we thought. But we

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Speaker 7: All season long. Yeah, so I get it. We got

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Speaker 6: But there's a pattern here to where everyone that comes

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Speaker 7: That's weird.

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Speaker 5: And then you're not eating that's different drawing up pressure.

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Speaker 5: You you're not drawing up the pressure. You're not sending

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Speaker 5: So you're giving up what drives that started from the

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Speaker 6: So I just want to I'm like this, and I

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Speaker 7: We gotta stop raising these hopes.

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Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden, the inconsistency comes, and

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Speaker 7: This is going back to two years ago.

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Speaker 6: Can't stop the run or the past, can't get it

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Speaker 6: That's been the pattern for this defense as of late.

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Speaker 6: Just when we need them to be a whole lot better.

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Speaker 3: They actually did pretty good on third down.

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Speaker 6: Those are the things that if you're going to talk

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Speaker 6: about a team improving here, it's got to come from somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, in here we can pour fingers, but when it's

449
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 6: all said and done, you gotta have someone that can

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Speaker 6: right this ship. And I thought it would come from

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Speaker 6: a coach. I thought it would come from a coach.

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Speaker 3: So basically, what you're saying, they're row for three on

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Speaker 3: defensive coordinators.

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Speaker 2: Man, I guess so that's what.

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Speaker 3: Because they couldn't stop the run dan Quinn's last.

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Speaker 6: Year, Yeah, trust me, right, Yeah, that's two years ago.

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm looking at too. That was ugly.

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Speaker 7: That is what I saw.

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Speaker 6: I saw doing that stretch of Philly Well Raiders, Philly

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Speaker 6: Kansas City. I saw a whole different team. I thought,

461
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Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, we revert right back.

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Speaker 2: To it, right.

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Speaker 6: I saw us getting away from that dan Quinn team.

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Speaker 6: I saw the Green Bay game, the teams that were

465
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Speaker 6: you know, we were tougher, we were not front runners.

466
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Speaker 6: Right now we're right back to where we were, and

467
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Speaker 6: you got an offensive system here that is amazing. But

468
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Speaker 6: at the same time, you gotta have a defense that

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Speaker 6: you can depend on, and we just don't have it.

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Speaker 3: No, they don't. So now the question is what do

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Speaker 3: you do? Like who's next? Who's next as the defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 4: All right, we continue with mixed shots on this back

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Speaker 4: to work Wednesday. Oh dirt, we're gonna have the it's

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Speaker 4: also a goat it is, yeah, segment right here, the

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Speaker 4: greatest of all time. And by the way, as we

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Speaker 4: segue into that here eventually, how great was it, Mickey

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Speaker 4: to see the Dirty Dozen back.

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Speaker 3: On Yeah, that was Sunday, that was Funday.

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Speaker 4: We weren't able to get to that on Monday, right.

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Speaker 3: Run into those days on the sideline before the game, guys, guys, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and uh yeah, it was pretty cool. I don't think

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Speaker 3: I've seen And I didn't get a chance to say

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Speaker 3: hi to Pat Donovan because I talked to him on

527
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Speaker 3: the phone for for that very story several years back.

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Speaker 3: And I remember he told me when I introduced myself

529
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Speaker 3: and told him what I was doing, he goes, well,

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Speaker 3: how'd you find me out here so far in the West.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think anybody remembered me just like that, right,

532
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Speaker 3: I didn't get a chance to say hi. But it

533
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Speaker 3: was good to see Bruni and Randy.

534
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Speaker 2: White and.

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Speaker 3: Hollywood. Yeah, and those guys were enjoying it. That was

536
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Speaker 3: the neat thing to see them enjoy it. The guy's

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Speaker 3: coming back, laid Law, the offensive lineman, Burton Lalla Lallace,

538
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Speaker 3: who was in a wheelchair. But yeah, it was pretty.

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Speaker 2: Cool to see them.

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Speaker 7: How was how was Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: Hollywood talking of? He didn't run from a microphone. I

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Speaker 3: think they had him on the pregame show. I thought

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Speaker 3: I saw him walking over there. So yeah, it was

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Speaker 3: pretty cool.

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Speaker 7: You can't beat it now, Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: Anderson was the best, and he'll tell you that as

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Speaker 3: he should.

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Speaker 7: He's right, see you, Langston Universe, as he should, that's right.

549
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Speaker 4: And one of the greatest draft classes ever. Yep, that's

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Speaker 4: why they called him the Dirty Dozen. Of course, you

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Speaker 4: had a lot more rounds of the draft then as

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Speaker 4: what you have now. But there were the Dirty dozen,

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Speaker 4: twelve of them rookies on that nineteen seventy five team.

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Speaker 4: And is Randy White very quick to point out three

555
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Speaker 4: Super Bowls in the span of four years, Yep, when

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Speaker 4: they came into the lague.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure you guys remember the movie right North

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Speaker 3: Dallas forty No, the Dirty Does Dirty Doesen.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's that country western.

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Speaker 3: You know you got me, oh country Western?

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So, by the way, one of the stars and it

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Speaker 3: was Jim Brown.

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Speaker 6: Hey, by the way, the one, the one I like

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Speaker 6: is the Probably the best play that personified how exciting

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Speaker 6: that rookie class was was the end of round on

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Speaker 6: the kickoff by Hollywood Henderson having that kind of talent

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Speaker 6: on that linebacker.

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Speaker 4: I mean the end of his what was more than

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Speaker 4: a hundred yard run because it was just slam dunket

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Speaker 4: over the gold post.

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Speaker 7: He's something else.

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Speaker 6: We had a man, what what an athletic class that

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Speaker 6: they had.

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Speaker 3: I think he was at Langston Universe.

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Speaker 7: Langston University, Boston, Grambling.

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Speaker 4: In our discussion smaller than.

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Speaker 2: Langston, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 5: Stand up, those of HBC you love out here worse

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Speaker 5: than us?

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Speaker 4: How did Switzer miss on him? And he was at

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Speaker 4: Langston and down the road.

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Speaker 3: There was no transfer.

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Speaker 6: Swiss was from Texas. They recruited in Texas. They don't

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Speaker 6: recruit in Oklahoma. That's the way. Oklahoma.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, how many how many.

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Speaker 7: Oklahoma players played for Universus Oklahoma back.

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Speaker 4: Of the only one there was Steve Davis, the licensed

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Speaker 4: Baptist preacher from Salasar.

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Speaker 7: Everybody else coming from Dallas. They come from Texas. The brothers.

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Speaker 3: J C.

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Speaker 4: Wats you great?

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Speaker 7: JC?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 4: But speaking a dirty dozen draft classes, that's in our

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Speaker 4: discussion about the Dallas defense from the last segment and

597
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Speaker 4: the coordinator and so forth. The Cowboys could use a

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Speaker 4: dirty dozen draft on defense? How about that?

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Speaker 3: Probably all of them?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 7: How many one drafted?

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Speaker 2: None of them? I think?

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Speaker 4: Did you say one one guy?

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Speaker 3: Because Hegman didn't play that rookie year. He was one

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Speaker 3: of the draft choices, but he for some reason I

606
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Speaker 3: can't remember now, he was ineligible. But there was an

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Speaker 3: undrafted guy that they.

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Speaker 4: Still get bogged down in it. I can look it up.

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Speaker 3: But no Woolsley got drafted.

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Speaker 7: Maybe him, you got me, I don't you got on.

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Speaker 4: I would have to look at it. My point to

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Speaker 4: bring that up was not to continue the conversation about

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Speaker 4: the dirty dozen for nineteen seventy five. And it's a

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Speaker 4: potentel dirty dozen draft for this year to help this defense.

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Speaker 4: And if you look at this defense as a whole

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Speaker 4: what position group? Okay, if you were talking specific position

617
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Speaker 4: groups are short up enough that you can go in

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Speaker 4: to next year and feel good about it, And I

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Speaker 4: would say that defensive tackle group, and as it has

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Speaker 4: been short up in the last three months to where

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Speaker 4: you feel really good about the defensive tackle group, but

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Speaker 4: every other group, from the defensive ends to the corners,

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Speaker 4: to the linebackers to the safeties, you can use big

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Speaker 4: time help in all all of those spots.

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Speaker 2: You can lock.

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Speaker 5: You can lock the door in one room and don't

627
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Speaker 5: let none of those guys out, but everybody else's room

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Speaker 5: the door. You're taking those doors off the hinges. Basically

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Speaker 5: they said it's wide opening there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, well, I mean it's pretty obvious.

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Speaker 3: I think defensive end next, and then a middle linebacker

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Speaker 3: because you're not canning over shown right right. I think

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Speaker 3: Shamar James has something probably wasn't ready at twenty one

634
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Speaker 3: years old to play.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying just about a draft class. I'm

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Speaker 4: talking about free agency.

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Speaker 3: Bring him a free agency yeah, because some of these guys,

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Speaker 3: you know, you got to grow.

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Speaker 4: You hope at cornerback that the third round pick is

640
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Speaker 4: going to grow into a reliable starting cornerback in this league.

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Speaker 3: And I think he will, but you're going to need

642
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Speaker 3: one more.

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Speaker 4: You still need another way even if he.

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Speaker 7: I don't think we need corners as much as we

645
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Speaker 7: need safeties.

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Speaker 6: And I'm probably wrong about that, but that's what I

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Speaker 6: see if I was going to prioritize, I want the safeties.

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Speaker 4: But how how much does this team this year miss

649
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Speaker 4: Jordan Lewis oh Man?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 5: Yes, shot to the heart to go, especially in those

652
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 5: situations where I think this year what has shown me

653
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 5: is that the run bland is your nickel corner, and

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Speaker 5: you need to find another guy to be on the

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Speaker 5: outside if you're not going to stay the course with

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Speaker 5: certain players.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I don't want to say their name.

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Speaker 3: Why not just you don't want to go do that.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to do that, all right? So I

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Speaker 6: like Casson, I really do. I like Causton and and

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Speaker 6: and Raves Reavers.

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Speaker 2: I really.

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Speaker 5: Got an island named after him. And that was you

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Speaker 5: know the thing about Savonne revel and that's we only

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Speaker 5: have have so much of a uh sample of what

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Speaker 5: he's done. It hadn't been all bad, it hadn't been

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Speaker 5: all bad, but it hadn't been all good either. Some

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Speaker 5: of these growing pains that he's having. We probably would

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Speaker 5: have seen those play out in the preseason had he

670
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Speaker 5: played any preseason games, But we would have seen a

671
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Speaker 5: lot of it play out earlier in the season. Unfortunately,

672
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Speaker 5: it's just happening now. Happening now at the end of

673
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 5: the season times that you needed the most. And I

674
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 5: didn't think that the last game was his worst game,

675
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 5: but you know, it's been some things there that obviously

676
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 5: you can underline and say that's not good.

677
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 6: But but you know you're gonna Every team has these

678
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 6: kind of wives, absolutely that you have to be ready for.

679
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 6: Every team has to have that, so you know, whatever

680
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 6: the matchup comes, you got to win your share.

681
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: They shut down justin Jefferson, right.

682
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Speaker 5: But then, yeah, okay, so you were in the you

683
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 5: were in the stadium, so you saw a lot of

684
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Speaker 5: times where JJ McCarthy, as much as you're giving him praise,

685
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Speaker 5: oh dog.

686
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Speaker 2: He missed.

687
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Speaker 3: It's terrible. He missed accuracy.

688
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Speaker 5: Oh man, Justin jeff he is probably in Minnesota right

689
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 5: now telling everybody in the front office like, if y'all

690
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Speaker 5: give me another quarterback, I mean, because he missed on

691
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 5: a lot of throws, and so you know, it's just safety.

692
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Speaker 2: Though I'm with you.

693
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: Safety has to say and they've never placed a high

694
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Speaker 3: priority from a draft standpoint or a salary cap standpoint

695
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Speaker 3: on that.

696
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Speaker 7: Position safety safety. Well, that's an extremely important position.

697
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I understand you're looking at.

698
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Speaker 6: The One thing I've noticed about football is always down

699
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Speaker 6: the middle of the offense. You got your fullback was

700
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 6: extremely important, your quarterback is extremely important, center's extremely important,

701
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 6: your middle lineback extremely important, and your safety is extremely important.

702
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Speaker 7: Down the middle.

703
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Speaker 6: You split it down the middle, and those are the

704
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Speaker 6: key people in regards to communication and intellect on the team.

705
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Speaker 3: Well, I think the communication has been good making plays. Well,

706
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: they tipped a pass for an interception.

707
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Speaker 7: Yes, but think about sixty plays.

708
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Speaker 3: If you look at the tackle chart, usually your safeties

709
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: at the top. Uh Over Hooker was second with six tackles.

710
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 3: But the problem is third and fourth were cornerbacks, which

711
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: means either you're relying on them to support the run,

712
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Speaker 3: or they're getting beat and making tackles.

713
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Speaker 4: Or they're making tackles after catches.

714
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I meant, get a beat.

715
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Speaker 4: Yeah, how different would this defense look if you had

716
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Speaker 4: a twenty twenty one or twenty two version of Trayvon

717
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 4: Diggs playing cornerback.

718
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, that would be totally different.

719
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Speaker 3: Does he play, say what?

720
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Speaker 2: Yes, he plays.

721
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Speaker 3: He's running out of time Saturday. They got to make

722
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: a move, Yeah, and make a move or stay the course.

723
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Speaker 2: That's tough, man.

724
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Speaker 5: I mean, look after whatever what's going on, and you know,

725
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 5: whatever's happened to him, the reason why they're making the

726
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 5: decision to shove him when he's healthy. Yeah, Look, if

727
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Speaker 5: it doesn't, it would not surprise me after him being

728
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Speaker 5: a healthy scratch on Sunday, that he doesn't play for

729
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Speaker 5: the rest of the season, that may not ever play

730
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Speaker 5: now again.

731
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Speaker 3: And the Dallas Cowboys, by the way, I did take

732
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Speaker 3: the time to look at his salary implications to if

733
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Speaker 3: he doesn't play next year, is base salaries fourteen point

734
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Speaker 3: five million. The guarantees on his base salaries have expired.

735
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Speaker 3: So if you chose to move on, if you get

736
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Speaker 3: make him a June one cut, then the dead money's

737
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: two point nine four next year and two point nine

738
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Speaker 3: four the year after.

739
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: It's manageable.

740
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Speaker 3: If that's what your decision is, that the salary cap

741
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: wouldn't hold you up. Now, if you trade them, then

742
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: it's five point eight million, idiotly Okay, well, but somebody's

743
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: got to not only accept him, but accept his sound,

744
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: which is fourteen point five million next year, and then

745
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: I think the next year goes up after that. So anyway, yeah,

746
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: no guarantees other than having to account for his pro

747
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: rated signing bonus over those last two years.

748
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Speaker 5: So, guys, instead of needing a dirty dozen style of

749
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 5: a draft class, why do I go for a rat

750
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: pack kind of? You know who the rat pack is? Yes,

751
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: come on now name them?

752
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: Name them? Who's the rat Pack?

753
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Junior, Frank Snatch, Okay, and don't

754
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: either and Peter, Peter.

755
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 2: You're right.

756
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 3: I got three?

757
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that. You like that, So get rat pack.

758
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 5: So we got four guys, three and a half, three

759
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Speaker 5: and a half. Three and a half guys may fix

760
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: it all for you. And we're going linebacker, we're going

761
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Speaker 5: safety and in an edge rusher.

762
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Speaker 3: Okay, right, that would be my priority.

763
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 5: So you can get that via free agency and you

764
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 5: can get it in the draft. So priority number one,

765
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 5: the rat Pack, that's the new name. Come on, get

766
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 5: your paper ready, right now, get it ready. Go ahead,

767
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 5: start it, get it read get the rat Pack.

768
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Speaker 2: That's what we go call them, the rat Pack.

769
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 4: Okay, we've spent so much time talking about the rat

770
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: Pack and the Dirty Dozen and all that, you know that.

771
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 4: Come on, No, I love it, I love it. But

772
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Speaker 4: what we're gonna have to do now is give us

773
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Speaker 4: a tease for the goat. Okay, so the we're going

774
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Speaker 4: to do the goat in the last second.

775
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Speaker 3: Okay, figuring the rat pack at something to do with

776
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Speaker 3: the goat.

777
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 5: No, no, it didn't, No, nothing at all, nothing at all.

778
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Speaker 5: So because we're getting down to the end of this thing,

779
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Speaker 5: and you know, I was expecting this to be extended

780
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Speaker 5: through the postseason because auto back, let's seemed assumed that

781
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 5: we would do playoff football. But you know, I'm just

782
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 5: saying I want you guys to go one in two

783
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 5: because there are there are positions for the Dallas Cowboys

784
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 5: that players are just locked in. So I want to

785
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Speaker 5: know who's your number one, who's your number two. I'm

786
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 5: just going to go over three different position groups. Name

787
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 5: this player one, named the other one two.

788
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826
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Speaker 5: and the pandemic took it away.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: It came back this year and I'm sick about it.

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Speaker 5: I'm seeing pictures and I'm sick about it.

831
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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: We every year we got our picture with Santa, and

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Speaker 5: I've been robbed. I've aged out of the program. It happens.

834
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Speaker 4: Well, I'll be long, you'll have grandkids, you can be

835
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Speaker 4: a party.

836
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Speaker 2: Hey, watch yourself.

837
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Speaker 7: I'm just telling.

838
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Speaker 2: All right.

839
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Speaker 5: So the goat, let's get the go experience. Let's get

840
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Speaker 5: the goat talk going on.

841
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you Christmas story print picture tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Okay, write it down, Okay, Christmas story picture. All right,

843
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 5: So guys, let's go. Let's do this. So I said

844
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 5: one or two. You got to say one or two,

845
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna go with Troy Aikman, Roger Starbuck, Roger Starbuck,

846
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 5: that's that's number. That's the first, okay, j J. Novacheck,

847
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 5: Jason Whitten. Okay, I'm going Tackles. I'm going Eric Williams

848
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 5: in the Big Cat.

849
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: Okay.

850
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 5: And you gotta tell me who's your goat, Cliff Harris,

851
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 5: Darren Woodson, damn.

852
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, we got another voter.

853
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 5: My mom asked, She said, does Nate just walk in

854
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 5: on yall's podcast whatever he wants to?

855
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 7: Whoa hey?

857
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Speaker 10: Wait yo, wow mate.

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Speaker 3: Shack and gazam.

859
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Speaker 2: All. Okay, well, right one in too, who's your number one?

860
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: Who's your number two.

861
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 5: We start at Troy and Roger Roger won Okay, Uh,

862
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 5: I'll go Roger.

863
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 3: They both put the Cowboys on the map. I'll go

864
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: with the most recent one, Troy.

865
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 7: Nate, Troy versus Troy versus that's true.

866
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, that's all right.

867
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: So let's go.

868
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 5: Let's go tight ends, j J and Jason. Who's number one?

869
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 5: Who's number two? Whos number one for you?

870
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 7: A man?

871
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: Jay? And who Jay Saldy numbers with.

872
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 6: Jason Jason whitten with That's tough one. I gotta go

873
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 6: with w and just because of the numbers.

874
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: But wow, okay, wow, options, j.

875
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: Would you say?

876
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 5: Options?

877
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: Why?

878
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 4: Options?

879
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 2: Okay?

880
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 5: So Eric Williams and the big Cat Hall of Famer

881
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Speaker 5: Big Field Cat, big Cat.

882
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: That's the hardest big Cat.

883
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Speaker 4: I mean if Eric who was able to play longer? Yeah, Eric,

884
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: Rightfield longevity cat Cat?

885
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 7: All right?

886
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 5: Last one Captain crash Woodson Cliff Harris. No, I'm just saying,

887
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Speaker 5: I mean, come on, one, two, let's go.

888
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 7: All right, that's tough.

889
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: That is tough. Answer the questions.

890
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Speaker 3: We didn't all get to see.

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Speaker 7: Nobody want to hear.

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Speaker 2: No excuses, man, something.

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Speaker 3: You go what watch the Okay, that's I'll take.

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Speaker 5: I take Darren woods all right, there it is. Hey, man,

895
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Speaker 5: I'm just trying to get myself the current times. Who

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Speaker 5: would I take? I went Troy, I went Jay, I

897
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Speaker 5: went uh Eric, and uh I'm going uh Darren Woodson.

898
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Speaker 7: So you're going with your generation generation.

899
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Speaker 4: Witing more current than Jane Novicheck.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. There is who's your goat. I'm

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Speaker 2: just trying to get.

902
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Speaker 5: They'll go seventy one on me, they'll go sixty nine,

903
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Speaker 5: they go seventy six, you know, and I'm just standing over.

904
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna get a coloring book. Maybe you've got a

905
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Speaker 5: color too many.

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Speaker 3: We got eighty three over here.

907
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Speaker 2: There you go eighty three. Just walk through the door.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. We need to do it.

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Speaker 4: Naden, priscoe Versus and Everson.

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00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: No, don't Goday, don't put me a name.

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00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 7: Please, don't do that.

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Speaker 2: I like, I don't do that. I would be like,

913
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Speaker 2: you're not gonna come on, man, you gotta participate. All right.

914
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Speaker 4: I think we're out of time. We're pasted out a

915
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 4: time and a producer supreme. We have a winner in

916
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Speaker 4: the first state championship Game of the week. Is that right?

917
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Speaker 8: Not yet?

918
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: Well, the mercy rule is about one touchdown away.

919
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: Right now.

920
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 4: What's the score right now?

921
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 7: They're in a break.

922
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: I think it's fifty five to twenty two.

923
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 4: Fifty five to twenty two. They got the Cowboys defense

924
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 4: out there playing.

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00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: Yes, six man, it's only eighty yard field, so there's

926
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Speaker 3: only there's only twelve guys on the field total. Speaking

927
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Speaker 3: of winning tomorrow, do you want to win or do

928
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Speaker 3: you want a draft choice?

929
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Speaker 7: Hey man, we got problems.

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00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: Someone else want to come in, Brad Sham, I got

931
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Speaker 3: something to say.

932
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: Question again, I got distracted.

933
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: Do you want to win the last three? Or do

934
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Speaker 3: you want a better draft?

935
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Speaker 8: Choe?

936
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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 7: Tomorrow?

938
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Speaker 4: All right toorrow? On mixed shots.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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