1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome to another edition of 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: the Move the Sticks Podcast. I'm Brett Lewis in for 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: DJ today alongside my guy Bucky Brooks. Bucky, what's happening 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: to man? We are we are working our way further 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: and further away from the NFL Draft, which means we 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: are closer and closer to the NFL Draft. That seems 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: weird to say, doesn't it. Yeah? But no, no no, that 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: that's how I prefer to look at it. Like, looky 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: is in the rear view right now, grow the windshield 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: and many I mean, yeah, when you talk about quarterbacks 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: and excitement and guys and all of that other stuff, like, 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: we got plenty of time to talk about it this summer, 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: but then it looks like it will be very very 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: easy to keep listeners engaged with the quarterbacks that we'll 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: talk about next season. Yeah, no question, And I think um, 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: I speak for just about everyone on planet Earth. We 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: cannot wait to get rid of twenty twenty as fast 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: as we This has been one heck of a year, man, 19 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: and we're still right in the midst of it. But 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna make the best of it here and uh, look, 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: it also turns out to be a year in which 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: we unfortunately lose one of the legends, not just of 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: the NFL, but of the game of football. Don Shula 24 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: passing away this week, the uh coach of the Miami 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: Dolphins a guided them to the only perfect season we've 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: ever seen in NFL history, seventeen and O and NFL title, 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Super Bowl Championship. Um and the patriarch Bucky of the 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: first family of football coaches. Both of Don's sons, Dave 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: and Mike, both coached in a Super Bowl. His Dave's 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: son Chris, has coached in a Super Bowl. They've had 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: three generations of Shula coach in a Super Bowl. I mean, 32 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: this is a family unlike unlike any other that we've 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: seen in the NFL. And and we lost a great 34 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: man and a great coach. And the stories have been 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,639 Speaker 1: pouring in, the tributes have been pouring in, And Bucky, 36 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: you entered the league and and kind of right in 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: the midst of the Don Chola heyday there, Yeah, what's 38 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: crazy about it? Reet? Um? I actually have a game ball, 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: uh somewhere in a garage, maybe at my parents house 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: where my first fumble recovery was actually against the Miami 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: Dolphins and special teams, and going back to the Miami 42 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: Dolphins and Don Shula, and there are three things they 43 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: come to mind. Excellence, Uh, perfect season, most wins of 44 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: any NFL coach in history. I think about consistency. Thirty 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: three seasons on the sideline, only two losing seasons. So 46 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: it's one thing to be excellent a little bit of 47 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: the time, but it's another thing to be consistently in 48 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: the hunt, always kind of enranged to be able to 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: compete for the title. And then the last thing is adaptability. 50 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: The adaptability that he displayed going from Baltimore where it 51 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: was a pounded out system with those players running the ball, 52 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: Earl Morle those guys come into Miami, then it's the 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: Miami pound machine. Larry Zanka, Jim Kick, Mercury Morris. Uh, 54 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: you had two quarterbacks and Bob Greasy and her more. Uh, 55 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: being able to have the the no name defense. Then 56 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: moving on to the killer bees. Um, when I was 57 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: like a like man, I wasn't even a teenager, maybe 58 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: ten eleven, twelve. Then changing the style with Dan Marino 59 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: and those guys and throwing it all over the yard. Uh. 60 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: Good coaches put players over system, and Don Shula was 61 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: the master of being able to assess the situation and 62 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: then put in a scheme that enabled his guys to 63 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: play at his best. So excellence, adaptability, consistency, those things 64 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: come to mind when I think about Don Shula. Man, 65 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: that's a that's a great way to put it. And 66 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: like I unfortunately never had a chance to meet Don, 67 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: but um, I've met his son, Dave, who obviously we 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: know as a coached with his dad in Miami through 69 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: some of the Super Bowls and then went on to 70 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: coach the Cincinnati Bengals is now the wide receivers coach 71 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: I believe at Dartmouth with Buddy Tevens. Uh so got 72 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: back into coaching UM in the last couple of years. 73 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: And you can see the type of person that Don 74 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: Shula was by by meeting the other members of his family. UM, 75 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: I think a man that uh was built for others, 76 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: that love to engage others, and I was an organizer, 77 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: was a guy who brought people together. Talking about Dave here, 78 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: I saw him every summer at the Manning Passing Academy, UM, 79 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: and I just I loved being around him. Um. He 80 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: loved he loved coaching wide receivers. He loved coaching the 81 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: young kids. I think that's probably why he got back 82 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: into it UM. And you know, I think everyone that 83 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: kind of came through there and had a chance to 84 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: spend some time with Dave was better for it UM. 85 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: And then I had the chance to meet his son, Chris, 86 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: who you know, kind of worked his way up, was 87 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: a graduate assistant my alma materate in Indiana under Kevin Wilson, 88 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: and then uh jumped into the league and ended up 89 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: being an assistant position coach with the Rams, then worked 90 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: his way up to a full time assistant coach now 91 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: with the ram says the outside linebackers coach there for 92 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh um. So like he's just a you know, 93 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: it's a family that understands what football is all about. 94 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: UH understands what relationships are all about. And I think 95 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: that's UH that is a credit to their the patriarch 96 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: of that family and Don and and I think his 97 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: legacy will obviously go on forever here in the NFL 98 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: and the NFL circles, and and it's thought highly of. 99 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: I don't know anyone who does not think of Don 100 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: Shula in the highest of regards so um, certainly, our 101 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: condolences to his family and thoughts go out to them 102 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: as they as they wore the loss of a great, 103 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: great man. So with that guy, let's let's move it 104 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: on here on the Movie Sex podcast here. And one 105 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: of the bigger news items of the last couple of 106 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: days is was one you know, Andy Dalton getting released 107 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: by the Cincinnati Bengals. Bucky obviously one one move that 108 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: we expected. A little bit unexpected though to see him 109 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: signed so quickly with a team in which he doesn't 110 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: have a clear path to the starting job, um, at 111 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: least in the near term, it would seem so to 112 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: two kind of ways. You can look at this as 113 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 1: a surprise, one that while the Cowboys went out, gotta 114 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, an actual, you know, another starting caliber backup quarterback. 115 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: And then the other piece of it is, I wonder 116 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: you know Andy settled, I guess for that kind of role. 117 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: Do you look at it that way at all? No, 118 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't look at it as dad. I 119 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: think there are a couple of things that I play 120 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys making this move. UM. So often 121 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: we we view the backup quarterback position and we don't 122 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: necessarily give it the value that it needs because a 123 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: lot of times, if the starter goes down, we just 124 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: kind of throw away the team's chances of being able 125 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: to come. He had at a high level for the 126 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. I think this is insurance. Uh. This is 127 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: like insurance on your home. No one wants to pay 128 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: the premium, but then when the house has a catastrophe, 129 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: you certainly want to cash in on the policy. The 130 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys were able to get something that you rarely 131 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: are able to get. That is a backup quarterback who 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: can actually play. Regardless of what you think about Andy 133 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: Dalton in the last couple of years to fall out, 134 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: uh for the Cincinnati Bengals kind of collapsing the last 135 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: three years. The first five years of his NFL career, 136 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: he led the Beingales into the playoffs. Um, he's had 137 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: the third most wins of any quarterback during that period. 138 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: The first five years at starting quarterback, and when he 139 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: is surrounded by a very good supporting cast, Andy Dalton 140 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: absolutely can win games. When he's not, he just doesn't 141 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: have the talent to elevate an average squad without playmakers 142 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: on the outside. And that is fine. I think in 143 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: this situation. What you have for the Cowboys is insurance 144 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: against Dak Prescott getting injured, insurance against a long drawn 145 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: out uh hold out or or it's not even a holdout, whatever, 146 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: he just doesn't show if he doesn't sign and come 147 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: to camp on time, and you have an opportunity to 148 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: take a team that on paper looks very, very talented 149 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: and at least be a very competitive team, a team 150 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: that can win games in a short term stretch with 151 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton as the quarterback. Okay, so I should clarify. 152 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: I meant I wasn't surprised to see the Cowboys make 153 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: the move, right, that's that's but a little bit surprised 154 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: to see Andy go that route. Now, maybe that was 155 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: the best deal that was out there, and he wanted 156 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: to sign quickly. He wanted to drag this out for 157 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: his family and these uncertain times. Let's get in, let's 158 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: go play, Let's go back home to the state of 159 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: Texas where he grew up in Katie, Texas and played 160 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: at TCU. And that that right part of it makes sense, right, Um? 161 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: I guess I just thought that he might have an 162 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: opportunity to go to a place where a starting job 163 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: job was more in his grasp than like, Okay, dad 164 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: gets hurt or Dad doesn't come to camp on time, 165 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: Like I I thought, maybe, you know, maybe Jacksonville, you know, 166 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: with Jake Ruden there, we thought that might be an opportunity. Right. 167 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: So anyway, so that part of it just surprised me 168 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: from Andy's perspective a little bit. But I guess seeing 169 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: the way that this is dragged out for guys like 170 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: it dragged out for Jamis Winson still going for Cam Newton, 171 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't be so surprised. Yeah, And I think 172 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: I think what Andy did was took the security of Hey, 173 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: this deal is on the table, let's take it. Also, 174 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: let's understand who's coaching, UM, Mike McCarthy. If I get 175 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: a chance to get in there, Mike McCarthy UM has 176 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: enough experiencing and know how to put me in a 177 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: situation where I can look good. This could jump start 178 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: the second part of my career as a starting quarterback. 179 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: We saw what happened with Tady Bridgewater in New Orleans. 180 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: Drew Brees goes out for five games, Tady Bridgewater gets 181 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: a stance in Lord Behold, Tady Bridgewater gets an opportunity 182 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: to be a starting quarterback for Andy. I think it 183 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: is a great situation in that Van Dak Prescott has 184 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: been durable, he hasn't missed the start he's been there. 185 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: But just in case he gets hurt, they have a 186 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: guy who can go in and for Andy, standpoint man, 187 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: what better way to do it than to play at home. 188 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: There is stability because I already have a home there. 189 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about like my kids and 190 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: changing again all of those things. So it is a 191 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: perfect situation for him to be able to jump in 192 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: and step in and uh kind of like make the 193 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: best of a bad situation. Yeah, yeah, I think you're 194 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: right there. So like once you dig in, you can 195 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: kind of see the reasons why. Uh, and so now 196 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: you know the Cowboys again, this is a This is 197 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: a great opportunity for them to just kind of continue 198 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: to stack that quarterback room in the event that they 199 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: end up needing some of that depth there with Andy Dalton. 200 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: All right, so let's move on to one of the 201 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: other big kind of topics these last couple of days, 202 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: which has been the fifth year Option Game, which is 203 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: due now overdue for the members of the tooth OUs 204 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: in seventeen draft class. The deadline was Monday for teams 205 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: to decide whether they would pick up the fifth year 206 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: option for those players, which means the option year one. Right, 207 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: So they were drafted in seventeen, This is the Miles 208 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: Garrett number one overall year, and then you play that 209 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty season. The fifth year for all 210 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: those first round picks is an option for the team 211 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: to decide whether they want to pick up or decline. 212 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: That option is then guaranteed for injury only, So if 213 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: a guy gets hurt and can't continue to play, he's 214 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: on your books. Uh, no matter what. For one if 215 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: you end up picking that up. If you don't, they're 216 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: free agent. Unrestricted free agent in one right after this season. 217 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: We saw that happen this past year with Jack Conklin 218 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: and the Titans. They declined to pick up his option 219 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: after making him a top ten pick back in sixteen. Uh. 220 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: He ends up having a decent year in his fourth 221 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: year after a couple of down ones following his rookie season, 222 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: ends up signing a huge deal with the Green Cleveland Browns. 223 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: So having a team decline your option is not a 224 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: death knell. It can in fact be a very lucrative 225 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: windfall for you. In fact, that was the case for 226 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: Jack Conklin. We've seen that, We've seen other other teams 227 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: decide to extend their first round players before they even 228 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: have to worry about picking up the option. Saw that 229 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: this year with Christian McCaffrey, who was the eighth overall 230 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: pick who was extended, and the Panthers then didn't have 231 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: to worry about picking up or declining the option, which 232 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: they obviously would have picked up if they didn't have 233 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: the extension. So let's dig into some of these players here. 234 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: Uh I mentioned starting at the top, Bucky Miles hard Like, 235 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about like just coming from a scouting 236 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: community standpoint, the reason why the fifth year option pick 237 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: up or the client is a big deal is because 238 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: in most scouting circles people say it takes three or 239 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: four years to really determine if a player can play. 240 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: Really three years, because three years would give you forty 241 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: eight games to be able to look at a player, 242 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: see how he grows in your system, see if he 243 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: is being able to be a viable contribute. Meaning um, 244 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: the thought is, if you you you tear the first 245 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: round meaning in the top ten. The expectation of guys 246 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: drafted in the top ten. If you have a top 247 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: ten grade, you're expected to be a guy that kind 248 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: of falls loosely in the top five or top ten 249 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: of your position throughout the league at that position, meaning 250 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: you should be a high end player at your respective 251 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: position as we cross reference your talents around the league 252 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: from ten to thirty two. The expectation you expect those 253 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: guys to be solid starters and key contributors, meaning they 254 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: should be on the field um seventy at the time. 255 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: If they're rotational players, but they should be starters. You 256 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: expect them to be in starting lineup. You expect them 257 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: to start making ways and really kind of solidifying themselves 258 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: as foundational pieces to your franchise. And so when you're 259 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: making these decisions on the option year, a lot of 260 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: it is do we view this player as a foundational piece, 261 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: like we ken and live without this player. This player 262 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: has so much value that we have to keep him 263 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: as a core player as part of a nucleus that 264 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: is eventually going to put us in a position to 265 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: win championships. And so when teams are making these assessments, 266 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: when they turned down the opportunity to extend them in 267 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: some way. It it is a failure. It means either 268 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: the player didn't work, the system didn't fit the player. 269 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: It's a mis evaluation, but it's an acknowledgement of a 270 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: we might have got this wrong for a number of circumstances, 271 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: and instead of extending it trying to make us right, 272 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: we're just going to move on and see if we 273 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: can find another player that can give us what we 274 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: were looking for the position. Yeah, I'm glad you set 275 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: the table that way. That's uh. That that's some important 276 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: perspective to have as you kind of assess some of 277 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: these guys that were picked up or or declined here. 278 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: And as I mentioned, this is the Miles Garrett draft 279 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: number one overall. This look, this was a no brainer 280 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: pick up for the Cleveland Browns. You don't us up 281 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: on edge rush talent like that. That's why they took 282 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: him number one overall. And despite what happened at the 283 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: end of last year, I think all all can expect 284 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: Myles Garrett to return to some sort of dominant edge 285 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: rushing form in which he had uh for the last 286 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: couple of seasons. That was that was the no brainer 287 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: right now. The next the next four players of that 288 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: top five, I mean, wow wow. Four of the top 289 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: five players picked in the NFL Draft had their options declined. 290 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: That means a team again for whatever reason, deciding that 291 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: they wanted to forfeit the opportunity to keep them under 292 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: control for a fifth year. That's Mitchell Robinski with the Bears, 293 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: traded up one spot with the forty Niners to select 294 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: a number two. That's Solomon Thomas with the forty Niners. 295 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: Their number three. John Lynch's first pick as a general manager, 296 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: Leonard four Net, running back from the Jaguars, who just 297 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: had a serious roller coaster type career with the Jags. 298 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: And then Corey Davis, which was a bit of a 299 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: surprise I think to a lot of us there, ended 300 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: up going number five to the Tennessee Titans. So let's 301 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: start right there with that that cluster of players, um, 302 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: and then I guess we can kind of roll in 303 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: for the forty Niners. In fact, they came back into 304 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: the first round and got Ruben Foster there ended up um, 305 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, having to cut him for the off the 306 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: field issues. Redskins picked him up. His options declined also, 307 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: so just to kind of bring that full circle. But um, 308 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: you know what what sticks out to you there about 309 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: that top five buck Man. What sticks out to me 310 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: about this draft in general is just how all over 311 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: the place we were when it came to those prospects. Um, 312 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: Myles Garrett was a talent. I think most people could agree, um, 313 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: mercurial talent. Uh, super explosive athlete, has some production. UM. 314 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: I will still say like he was probably drafted on 315 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: his athleticism more so than his playing ability because he 316 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: was such a remarkable athlete and freak athlete at this 317 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: US But it worked out. Mr Drobiski is a tough 318 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: one because Mr Drobiski has earned Pro Bowl um adela. Um, 319 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: He's been to a Pro Bowl. He's been selected for that, 320 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: and people can say, as a fans vot or whatever, 321 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: you still uh you get that. But I think the 322 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: tough thing and why he is so close to the 323 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: scrutinized is because the Bears not only moved up to 324 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: get him, but they bypassed the opportunity to get Deshaun 325 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: Watson and later Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, their options would picked up. 326 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: And I think the bigger thing is like the Pat 327 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: Mahomes thing I could see because I think Pat Mahomes 328 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: was actually a heart evaluation because he was talented, but 329 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: he was so um I guess saying a lot freestyle 330 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: in his play that it was kind of hard to 331 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: see how he's going to play because we hadn't really 332 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: seen a player that came that came into the league 333 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: with a game like that translate and have big time success. 334 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was the one for me that was tough 335 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: because Deshaun why so Mr Drobiski played in the same 336 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: conference against the same players. Deshaun Watson not only led 337 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: his team to conference championships, but he clearly outplayed Mr. 338 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: Drobiskin was a better player. And so for the Bears 339 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: to see something that most of the outside world didn't 340 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: see that was tough. And so because of that, he 341 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: has come under so much scrutiny that the scrutiny may 342 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: even exceed how bad he may have performed based on expectation. 343 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: But it's hard for people to look at him and 344 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: look at Deshaun Watson and Pat Mahomes and say that 345 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: he is in their same class. Yeah, that's that quarterback. Uh, 346 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: That quarterback draft is a tough one for Bears fans 347 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: to stomach, no question. Um. But again, you're right about 348 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: the Patrick Mahomes thing. I don't think anyone mocked or 349 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: talked about the Chiefs flying up from the back of 350 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: the draft to to come up to the tenth spot 351 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: and take Patrick Mahomes. So you know it's tough to say, oh, 352 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: the Bears could have taken him at two. Well yeah, 353 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: I think they could have. But um but nobody, no, 354 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: no one, no one knew. Um. Like in going back, red, 355 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this thing that I wrote back at 356 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: the time. So I wrote a thing on all pros, 357 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: Pro Bowlers, and Red Stars, and on that list there 358 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: is no Pat Mahomes. Right, there is no fat. I 359 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: don't have Pat Mahomes listed as all Pro. I don't 360 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: have him listed as a Pro bowler. But the two 361 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: guys I had at the position listed were Deshaun Watson 362 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: and I had Mitch Drobiski at the bottom of that list. 363 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: So I acknowledge, like, hey, it's a huge miss on me. 364 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: And I think the thing with Pat Mahomes. I have 365 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: notes from scouts that I talked to, like, man, the 366 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: talent is immense, um, but good luck fixing them. Then 367 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: other guys saying, man, the talent is crazy like whatever, 368 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't want to draft him, and so like, 369 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knew and a lot of it 370 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: now is a perfect on. He went to the right 371 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: situation with the right coach who was able to tap 372 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: into his creativity without having to put him on the 373 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: field early, and then it just worked. And look, he's 374 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: a fabulous player. And I'm not saying that he couldn't 375 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: do it any other circumstances, but for us, our imagination 376 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: didn't allow us to see him as an m v 377 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: P in Super Bowl winner in three years. Um, we 378 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: just couldn't see that. Like, I mean, anyone who says 379 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: they could see that he would do all these things, 380 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean I I challenged him on what they saw 381 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: because I don't know how anybody could see it translating 382 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, Um, I think we could make the 383 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: argument that Solomon Thomas actually had one of his better 384 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: years as a pro this last year. UM in a 385 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: rotational role though for the forty niners, and that's probably 386 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: not something that that the for whatever that number is 387 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: for Sally at number at the fifth year, probably not 388 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: worth it as a as a rotational player, right, and 389 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: and and for a guy that was drafted third overall 390 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. When you drafted and and and in that range, 391 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: you're expected to be a to be a takeover player. 392 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: And he hasn't shown the ability to takeover. He's been 393 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: a good player, not a great player. And at that 394 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: at that not at that, uh, that where he was taking. 395 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: You expect him to be a great, a dominant player, 396 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: like a transcendent type player. He just hasn't been that. Uh. 397 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: He has coming off a solid year, but if he's 398 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: still playing in part as part of a rotation, it's 399 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: hard to justify paying him what you would have to 400 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: pay him on a fifth year option. Yeah. Uh. And again, 401 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, the the the forty Niners have done pretty 402 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: well up front since that draft back. I mean they 403 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: had you know, Eric Armstead and de Forrest Buckner. At 404 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: that point. We were kind of surprised, you know, I 405 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: was like, oh, wow, did they go defensive line for 406 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: the third straight year. They end up doing it and 407 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't end up working out, but obviously worked out 408 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: with Nick Bosa on this last year and then perhaps 409 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: with Javon kim Law this coming year. So, uh. The 410 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: last one here that I want to get to as 411 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: a singular item of the top five is Leonard four 412 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: Net because you know, it's just it's it's a little 413 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: bit of a mystery to me. He was such a 414 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: dominant college football player when he was healthy, and I 415 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: think you could kind of say the same in the NFL. 416 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: Like when he was healthy and he was right with himself, 417 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: with the team, with the offense, with the philosophy, it 418 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: was a good it was a good deal for the 419 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: Jacksonville jack Oars. I mean they won ten years. His 420 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: ten games his rookie year, he had five a couple 421 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: more than five hundred yard games. He had one hundred 422 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: yard game in the playoffs. He was a big part 423 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: of the offense. He limited the exposure of Blake Bortles, 424 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: and I mean, the the Jags made a run in 425 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: the playoffs and and that's what the kind of thing 426 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: that you started to expect. And then for whatever reason, 427 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: he ran sideways with Tom Coughlin and with coaching staff, 428 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: and he had suspensions and it's like all this stuff 429 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: that I didn't we didn't talk about a lot leading 430 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: up to the draft as a possibility, like it's just 431 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: a red flag character guy. We just I never heard 432 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: that leading up to the draft then, so it was 433 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: a shock to see it. Yeah, it is a shock 434 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: to see it. And I think if we go back 435 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: and we look at his uh collegiate career, um, I 436 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: think you could probably make the argument that his freshman 437 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: season at l s U might have been his best 438 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: season in terms of how impactful he was, and because 439 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: he was a right now star. I mean, you're you're 440 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: captivated by the way that he played, the toughness that 441 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: he played, how he did the dirty work, and all 442 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: of those things. Like he was he looked like a 443 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: man amongst boys when it came to playing like that 444 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: that freshman year. I'm going back, I'm looking at the numbers. 445 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: That actually wasn't a freshman it was a soft sof. 446 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: Sophomore year he went for nineteen hundred yards. My gosh, 447 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: he went for nineteen hundred and fifty yards, and and 448 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: then his junior year he only had eight hundred and 449 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: a forty three yards and what something. Yeah, he was hurt. 450 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: He played seven games. He was hurt. Durability things came up, 451 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: and we kind of of him a bit of a 452 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: hall pass. But You know what's funny about that rhet. 453 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: We did the same thing with Christian McCaffrey, because Christian 454 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: McCaffrey's last year was not his best year. This sophomore 455 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: year he was amazing, Like that's when he challenged Barry 456 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: Sanders record. I think he surpassed his scrimmage yards record 457 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: or all purpose yards record at Stanford with a ridiculous 458 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: season that he had and then his final season ankle 459 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: injury never quite looked right. Um, but look he he 460 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: strung it together as a pro. I think the bigger 461 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: thing is stylistically, the league has continued to shift away 462 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: from the Leonard for Nett type at running back, and 463 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: quietly Leonard for Nette has seventy six receptions this year, 464 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: like but we we still have the vision of him 465 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: being the one dimensional, classic hammer head running back and 466 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: he has caught the ball. He just doesn't look like 467 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: the Kamars and McCaffrey's in terms of the way that 468 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: they use them and so know it. It will be 469 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: interesting how he plays. I still think he has value, 470 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: but his value is to a team that plays like 471 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, um a team that is an old school, 472 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: grinded out physical football team. He would do well in 473 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: a in a situation like San Francisco or Minnesota. UM, 474 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: I believe he actually been hindered by the offensive coordinators 475 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: that the Jacksonville Jaguars have had in place. John D. 476 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: Philippo was not necessarily a grind it out. He wanted 477 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: to throw it and run, run the game through the quarterbacks, 478 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: never running back, and so it just makes it so, 479 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: it just makes it tough because I don't know if 480 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: his talents have been fully utilized. But he also hasn't 481 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: done himself any favors with his behavior. So the next 482 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: kind of group of players that I want to look 483 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: out of the wide receivers in the top ten, I 484 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: think we I know, I was surprised one to see 485 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: Corey Davis go five. I mean we hadn't seen him 486 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: work out at all in the run up to the draft. 487 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: He had the injury. UM so then you had Mike 488 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: Williams go seven to the chart archers, and he had 489 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: a little bit of a back injury concerned, you know, 490 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: coming out that last year at Clemson, right, we kind 491 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: of wondered, you know, might he fall. Chargers end up 492 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: picking him at seven and then also picked up his option. 493 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: He's had some really good years and it kind of 494 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: seems like he is still on the upward climb in 495 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: his NFL career. John Ross, you know, four to two, 496 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: I get it, speed, I get it. I missed, Yeah, 497 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: I missed. I missed on on John Ross and I 498 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: missed on him because, um, I thought he was a 499 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: more complete receiver then he has turned out to be. 500 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: And also like he was kind of like behind the 501 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: eight ball because he had the shoulder injury that he 502 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: waited until after workouts he worked on. So he's always 503 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: kind of been behind, um the eight ball. But he 504 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: certainly hasn't been what you would expect the top ten 505 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: receiver to be. The speed has been there, but he 506 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: just hasn't made the play you thought he would. He 507 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: would be a bigger, more impactful, UH playmaker and it 508 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: just hasn't worked for him. Uh done it in Spurst, 509 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: but not enough for Corey Davis. My biggest issue with 510 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: Corey Davis when he was in the conversation as the 511 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: number one Corey Davis played at at Western Michigan UM 512 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: and look, he came out of nowhere, had two really 513 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: good years those final two years there, but in the 514 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: comparison between Corey Davis and Mike Williams. To me, Um, 515 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: Mike Williams played against tougher competition and dominated, and I 516 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: felt like if we switched places and put Mike Williams 517 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: at Western Michigan, he would put up even greater numbers. 518 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: We put Corey Davis there, maybe he would do the 519 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: same thing. And so I had a tough time with that. 520 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: And then when you think about not being able to 521 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: work out and those things, I just worried about it. Um, 522 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: he still has talent, he has flashed. The connection between 523 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: he and Marcus Mariota just wasn't there. And then this 524 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: year A. J. Brown just just became the alpha and 525 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: there's a comfort level with him and Ryan Tannehill and 526 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 1: he just kind of took over. And so you just 527 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: kind of wonder about Corey Davis. He just hasn't played 528 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: up to expectation. Yeah, and just kind of going back 529 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: and looking at John Ross's career as well, You're absolute 530 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: that was my That was gonna be my point there 531 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: on Corey Davis. I mean, we watched J. J. Brown 532 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: just completely take hold of that of that number one spot, 533 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: you know, which is strange, you know, to see for 534 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: a number five overall pick to sit there and kind 535 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: of let that happen. But um, that that's the way 536 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: it is. And so now he'll be in Corey Davis 537 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: wi be an unrestricted free agent following season. So on 538 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: John Ross here, you know, he broke out in a 539 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: big way and we kind of forget that. Week one 540 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: this past season, seven balls, hundred fifty eight yards and 541 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: two touchdowns. You're like, oh, here we go. Here it 542 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: comes John Ross. Next week four catches, one twelve and 543 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: a touchdown. You're like, all right, you know this is 544 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: here we go. This is the John Ross that we 545 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: thought we were gonna and then just you know, nothing, 546 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: he gets hurt, misses ten games um or nine games, 547 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: and then you know, kind of almost never really heard 548 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: from again. So you know, that's kind of been the 549 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: m O for for John Ross, and that's a big 550 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: reason why he does not have his option picked up. 551 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: And so we get half of the top ten having 552 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: their options declined, and you set the table for us 553 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: at the beginning, like those ten, those top ten players 554 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: are franchise building players. They are franchise changing player, the 555 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: players you count on to to reach your goals and 556 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: that's clearly not the case for half of the players 557 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: in the top ten of the NFL draft. Um, I'll um, 558 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: I want to sing a lot of couple more here 559 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: and then we'll get out of here. That the one 560 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: that's that was has been interesting to me kind of 561 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: since his career came began, because we had him mocked 562 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: sometimes up at number two with the forty Niners before 563 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: they traded out of I'm talking about Malik Hooker, the 564 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: safety from Ohio State, and he had the injury, he 565 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: had the groin, the labor m the hip that I 566 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: think precipitated his fall to number fourteen in the India 567 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: fifteen in the Indianapolis Colts that year. Uh. They by 568 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: the way, have declined his option and he was hurt 569 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: again and he had an a c L a second year. 570 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: So he is his his career started with injury, it's 571 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: continued that way. And I don't know that maybe that 572 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: has played into his inability to impact that franchise, Bucky, 573 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: but clearly they have they have seen um that they 574 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: are perhaps preparing to move on. Yeah and uh and 575 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: and it's weird because when he was such a talented athlete. UM, 576 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: even when we had Urban Maria come on last year. 577 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 1: He talked about Malik Hooker's basketball background and how explosive 578 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: and an athlete he was, and when you watched him 579 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: in Ohio State, he had natural ball skills and just 580 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: picked it up really really quickly. And when I look 581 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: at what he's been able to do for the Colts, 582 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: he has seven interceptions in his career. He has gotten 583 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: his hands on balls, he has been active and around it. 584 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: He just hasn't been available that seen. He missed most 585 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: of the year, He's been us um a handful of 586 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: games and and the following seasons, and you just haven't 587 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: necessarily seen it. That said, the talent is there and 588 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: if the light comes on, like you can just see 589 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: how he could be a really good player. It just 590 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: for whatever reason hasn't fully come on. But the dude 591 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: is talented and certainly worthy of being picked where he 592 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: was picked. He just man for whatever reason, like it 593 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: just hasn't worked, and it's it's really unexplainable. Yeah, it 594 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: was part of some trade kind of scuttle around around 595 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: the draft. Might they be trying to move on from 596 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: him beforehand? You know, before this season. I also you know, 597 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: I don't know that this draft gets the credit, but 598 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: man really good cornerback draft. Marshawn Lattimore at eleven UM 599 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: had his option picked up. Dorry Jackson has been a 600 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: really good player for the Titans at eighteen, he had 601 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: his option picked up. You all the way down to 602 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: trade Avious White, you know, arguably the best in the class, 603 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: a no question. Um. And then you know, I think 604 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: Gary and Conley for a variety of reasons. Um, you 605 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: know it was kind of bringing up the rear in 606 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: that group, had his option declined by the Texans after 607 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: they traded for him last October. Um. You know what 608 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: the surprise to me this one, this whole deal was 609 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: the tight end both of the first round, or to 610 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: all of the tight ends, I should say, in in 611 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 1: the first round of this draft had their options picked up. 612 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: I think, no shock to see the Giants pick up 613 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: on Evan Ingram, but the Bucks picked up O. J. 614 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: Howard and the Browns picked up David and Joku. Especially 615 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: for the Browns after signing Austin Hooper to that big contract, 616 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: I thought those two particular Bucks picking up Howard and 617 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: Brown's picking up in Joku were a bit of a surprise. Yeah, 618 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: I think they were a bit of surprise based on 619 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: the conversation that had come out of there those buildings, 620 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: or alleged conversation to come out those buildings about those 621 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: guys being um kind of underachievers based on what we 622 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: thought they would be coming into the league. But uh, 623 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: the team's picking up the options volumes about how they 624 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: those teams viewed them. I think in O J. Howard's case, um, 625 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: he kind of has been viewed as expendable because of 626 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: the Rob Gronkowski thing, and I would contend that maybe 627 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski is kind of like the designated hitter in 628 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: that lineup, where he's gonna kind of come in and 629 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: out of the lineup and stretches, not be a full 630 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: time player for the Bucks, and O J. Howard would 631 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to be the O J. Howard that 632 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: we thought that he could be. And David and Joeku 633 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: there's no doubt that he's talented and it would be 634 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: interesting to see how they pair him up with Hooper Um. 635 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: Both guys have similar skill sets, but we have seen 636 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski and the Kubiak system utilized tight ends effectively, 637 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: so we'll see where they can come up with in 638 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: the twelve personnel package and then Evan Ingram uh Hampston 639 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: a little bit playing with a younger quarterback a season ago, 640 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: but now he should be ready to rock. And when 641 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: I think about this offense and the weapons that they have, 642 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: he should be a primary option. In the past game. 643 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: They should really try and build it around him because 644 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: his ability to control the middle of field, it shows, 645 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: it's showing in flashes. I would think that he would 646 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: be a very, very key part of the rebuild that 647 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: Joe Judge is doing in New York. I mean, arguably 648 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: a number one receiver in New York. I mean not 649 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: even really arguably. I mean it's kind of kind of 650 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: been their their their most talented guy, and could be 651 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: their number one target for Daniel Jones in his second season. Uh, 652 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: let's see. You know, I think you can make the argument, um, 653 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: maybe not even an argument here, but T J. Watt 654 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: at thirty to the Steelers and Ryan Ramcheck at thirty 655 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: two to the Saints warranted first round selections. I mean, like, 656 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, warranted top ten selections in this draft when 657 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: you go back and look at it, hindsights obviously, but 658 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: those were terrific value picks at the bottom of the round. 659 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah's terrific value picks. And you know it's one of 660 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: those things read like we when we talk about it 661 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: all the time on on path. Uh, those guys don't 662 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: get enough credit, like sometimes like those picks aren't viewed 663 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 1: as sexy picks, but they end up being the best ones. 664 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: T J Watt I remember, uh the allans was it 665 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: all kind of came together for him his last season 666 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: the production jumped out. You saw him make plays, but 667 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: you just wanted it took a long time for him 668 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: to pop as as a college player and why and 669 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: would you get that same kind of uh production as 670 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: a pro? The the great thing for him. I feel 671 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: like he went to the perfect spot because Pittsburgh has 672 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: always had a knack for being able to find three 673 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: or four edge rushers, and they put him in positions 674 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: to grow. Ryan Ranchick was a bit of a surprise 675 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: and maybe because he wasn't the athlete, and maybe some 676 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: of it might have been h the Wisconsin old Lion 677 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: thing where you wonder, a is it is it really him? 678 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: Or do they get coached up? Do they have any 679 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: more upside? Had they been maxed out um because Wisconsin's 680 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: coaches do a great job of like really developing their 681 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: guys to that point. And I think sometimes Iowa offensive 682 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: lineman kind of get the same pushback O where they're 683 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: kind of maxed out because those those staffs have done 684 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: everything in their power to squeeze out all of the 685 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: juice out of the player. And so maybe he didn't 686 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: get his fair his just do when it came to 687 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: his ability to be a long time starter and a 688 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: really really good player for the Saints. Yeah, and I 689 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: should go back by the way, and because I I 690 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: skipped over Marlin Humphrey at sixteen, who has been a 691 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: terrific player for the Ravens. That was a really really 692 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: good corner about how about how about that class? Yeah, Humphrey, 693 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: Tri Davis White, Dori Jackson has been good, particularly as 694 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: a return Lattimore, Marshal and Lattimore, all of those guys hit. 695 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: What are the common to nominators Like looking at those traits, 696 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: it's interesting to see what is the common nominated Like 697 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: right out of the gate. The first thing that stands 698 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: out to me, I think Marshawn Lattimore and o Dori 699 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 1: Jackson were very talented track athletes, very athletic. Um Marlin 700 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: Humphrey and tr Davis White were very skilled technicians. Uh, 701 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: their technique kind of stood out. And maybe it's a 702 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: mixed great athletes, great technicians. Those guys play. I I 703 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: do wonder, but it'd be a fascinating deep dive into 704 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: that first round. And and the House and wise, Yeah, 705 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: and uh, and just the one guy we didn't talk 706 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: about in the top ten, Jamal Adams. I mean, I 707 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 1: think that was a no brainer. He's been a culture changer, 708 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: it seems on that defense in New York as a 709 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: safety from L s U. Remember we had we interviewed 710 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: him and trade Avious White believed together on path to 711 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: the draft. And I mean that was quite a talented secondary. 712 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: Uh that year for L s U. Um, any of 713 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: you use the other ones that stick out to you, 714 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean you got there was a trio back to 715 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: back to back at twenty two. The Broncos declining Garett Bowls, 716 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: the Lions declining Jared Davis the linebacker, and the Dolphins 717 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: declining Charles Harris, uh, the linebacker from Missouri. Uh that year, 718 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, I mean Harris, you mean barely barely 719 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: heard of him down there in my Yeah, he he 720 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: never really he never really got a got a chance 721 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: to really do anything. Yeah, you know, I never really 722 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: get a chance to show. And I should say the 723 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: Falcons actually opted not to pick him up. They ended 724 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: up trading for Charles Harris, so maybe they see something 725 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: in him. But um, so that it was their option 726 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: to pick up and the Falcons decided to decline it. Yeah, 727 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: I mean, and they just don't have enough experience with 728 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: him to know, um, who he is and what he 729 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: can be. Sure that makes sense, you know, but um, 730 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: it's definitely interesting to kind of watch it, uh play out. Yeah, 731 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: so let's see. Uh, and that that pretty much covers 732 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: a Taco Charlton I think we all kind of thought 733 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a reach at maybe more 734 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: of a second round player, ends up getting released by 735 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, waived by the Dolphins. Uh, And now the 736 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: Chiefs have signed Taco Charlton, but his option was voided, 737 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: so um, he didn't he didn't have an option to 738 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: be picked up or declined. Um. And then I think 739 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: that that's pretty much most of the highlights from that one. 740 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: Anything else that you want to dig into here before 741 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: we uh, we say goodbye. I don't know. I think 742 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 1: I think it's a fascinating study. I think everyone who 743 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: loves the scouting game, scouting business should go back and 744 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: look at the seventeen class, seventeen first round and just 745 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: kind of figure out some of those lessons. Yeah, that's uh, 746 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: that's what we did that last day of path of 747 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: the draft, the lessons we learned from this year's draft 748 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: and what we saw again. Bucky wrote about that in 749 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 1: his Scouts notebook NFL dot com uh slash Scout notebook. 750 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: There for Bucky Brooks to you check out some of 751 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: those lessons you learned from this one and and see 752 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 1: how they help us as we try to predict the 753 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,240 Speaker 1: NFL Draft in some three hundred days or so. But Bucky, 754 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: good to hang out with you, my man. Again. We'll 755 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: get Daniel Jeremiah back out here. He's just taking a 756 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: little time to decompress, take a little break, and he'll 757 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: be back next week to dive into all things Move 758 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: the Sticks. So again for DJ, I'm Rett Lewis, thanks 759 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: so much for hanging out with us here. You're listening 760 00:39:50,360 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: to the Move the Sticks podcast. Lott what you have 761 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: got to love it?