WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Fixing A Hole 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.279 Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:11.240 the Bengals Booth podcast. The I'm fixing a hole where 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.600 the rain gets. In addition, as I discuss the Bengals 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.119 free agent fixes with the team's Director of Player Personnel 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:23.119 Duke Tobin, and then it's a wide ranging conversation with 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.400 Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson on what the 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.319 Bengals have done so far and what they still might do. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:35.040 The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Ultimate Bengals. Download 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.040 Ultimate Bengals ahead of the twenty twenty two season. 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For my money, the humble trisket, 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:24.280 made largely from three ingredients wheat, oil, and salt, is 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.640 the perfect snack for a very specific set of circumstances. 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.040 Here goes, you're hungry, you're looking for something to nosh on, 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.039 and as you start to look through the cupboard, you 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.360 find that box of triskets that you totally forgot about. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:44.280 Sure they're not as tasty as potato chips, doritos, tostitos, 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.800 or fritos, but a few tris gets always gets the 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.880 job done, whether you need a snack or need to 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:57.000 impress free agent offensive linemen. Now, let's get to this 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:02.360 week's guests. On Thursday, nearly one hundred NFL GMS, coaches 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.840 and scouts attended Pro Day at the University of Cincinnati. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.560 The Bearcats could have as many as eight players drafted 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.280 this year, and cornerback a Mad Sauce Gardner is expected 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.799 to go in the first half of the first round. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.239 The Bengals had several staff members on hand, including head 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.880 coach Zach Taylor and Director of player Personnel Duke Tobin. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.280 I spoke to Duke when Pro Day was finished, Duke, 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.440 how would you describe what the Bengals had been able 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.480 to get done in free agency so far? Well, Um, well, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.840 we planned our work and we worked our plan, and 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.360 you never know exactly how that's going to come together. 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.240 In free agency. It's there's a lot of moving pieces. 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.480 But we were able to secure some guys that we 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.720 were high on that we felt fit needs for us 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:53.720 and and fit our culture, you know, number one. And 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.480 so we're happy. We're pleased with the way it's gone 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.400 so far, and you know, we've got our eyes on 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.320 the draft. Still got some new guys that will be 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.760 coming in via the draft, so we're excited. It's hard 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:08.400 to keep every team as is, but if you're staying 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.799 the same, you're you're getting worse, and so you've got 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.520 to continually try to get better. And we think the 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.760 guys that we're bringing in are going to help us 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.560 do that. I'm paraphrasing Zach Taylor from a news conference 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.320 that he did recently the same day as Lal Collins, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.079 but he said going into free agency, he was kind 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.480 of hoping you would be able to add two offensive 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.960 line starters and was pleasantly surprised it turned out to 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:36.080 be three. Did you feel the same way. Well, I mean, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:37.520 we were looking at a lot of a lot of 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.960 positions and the opportunities came there, which was important to 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.040 us because we wanted to make headway there and we 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.280 wanted to bring in some guys that were proven, guys 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.680 that were leaders, guys that you know, are consistent players 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.160 for us. We think that will benefit our quarterback play 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.960 for sure. And and yeah, it's um, you know, you 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:00.960 never know exactly how it's going to work out. You 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:02.520 never know what the prices are going to be, and 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.920 who's going to have interest in you, and and you 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.960 know who's going to go elsewhere, and you just keep grinding. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.920 It's a it's a long ten days or so, but 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:16.240 the first few days are are very involved to get 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.800 those deals in place. And our guys did a great job, 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.880 you know, getting a set up to do that. Frank 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.839 Pollock has made the term glass eaters popular all of 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.800 a sudden these days from using that expression at the combine. 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.880 How much did these guys fit Frank Pollock his personality 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.360 and the style of play. Yeah, I think they did obviously. Um, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.520 you know, if we're gonna pay like I said at 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.080 the combine, if you're going to pay somebody a lot 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:44.719 of money, you want to make sure you know what 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.240 you're getting. In with these three guys, we know what 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.640 we're getting and you know they're there are guys that 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:57.120 have shown that that number one, they're good teammates. Number Two, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:01.400 they can produce on the field, and so we're happy 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.280 that it came together. We're chatting with Duke Tobin. Let 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.159 me get a thumbnail sketch on those offensive lineman, beginning 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.240 with Ted Carris. He's twenty nine, just turned twenty nine. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.760 He's got two Super Bowl rings penciled into place center 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.560 for the Bengals. He's obviously played center in both guard 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.720 positions in his NFL career. You know, versatile, It can 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.719 do a lot of different things. We think he's a 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:25.120 good leader of men. We believe that he can be 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:30.400 a very quality center and meshwell with Joe. We believe 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.880 he sees the game very well, which a center has 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:37.120 to do. And we believe he's able to direct the 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.040 traffic and when you're in the middle of the offensive line, 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.880 you got to be able to do that. And then 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.800 his place speaks for itself. It's very consistent, down in 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.400 and down out. We think he's strong, we think he's tough. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.719 We think he can make all the blocks that we're 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.400 going to require him to make. Alex Cappa will be 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.680 your right guard. Twenty seven years old, a Super Bowl 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.960 ring with a Bucks two years ago. Yeah, young, in 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.919 the prime of his career and still got room to 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.200 get better. I love his temperament when he plays again, 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.720 A guy that that showed all the traits that we 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.120 want in a starting guard and the ability to make 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.680 all the blocks, run the scheme that we're going to run, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.520 and then you know, hold the pocket firm, which is 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.440 which is very important for for what we're doing. And 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.680 U you know, again we're excited to have him. I 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.760 think he's still got some improvement left to do and 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.440 he's pretty darn good player right now. Lal Collins turns 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.200 twenty nine in July. It's pretty rare to get a 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.920 premier offensive tackle and free agency who obviously is making 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:38.120 a lot of money, but not break the bank money. Yeah, 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.200 you know, it came together, was a great fit for him, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.760 It was a great fit for us. Um you know, 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.200 he the last couple of years, you know, had some 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:48.000 challenges you know, and and we really feel like he's 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.240 going to get back to play in football the way 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.880 that he's used to play in it, and um and 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.240 stay on the field. You know, there was there was 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.960 a lot of moving pieces getting that put together, but 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:00.800 we think we got to put together in a way 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.159 that's that's good for both the Cincinnati Bengals and Lyle Collins. 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.239 And so we're excited to have him. He's a premier 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.320 right tackle and he can shut down that side of 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.800 the field and look forward to seeing him do it. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.080 You've added a twenty eight year old tight end and 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.720 Hayden Hurst, former first round draft picked by the Ravens. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.240 What are you getting in Hayden Hurst? You know, we 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.320 think in his new role being being the main receiving 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.280 tight end here, he'll have a chance to really jump 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:30.520 in production. And um. You know, he's he's athletic, he's tough, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.440 he's he can he can perform all the things you 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.520 want in a run game. But then we think he's 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.520 going to be a pretty good matchup problem for us. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.520 He's got great hands and he's he's about the right things. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.760 You know, it was very tough losing CJ. And um. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.160 That's just the nature of of our game right now. 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.600 Sometimes you lose really important guys that guys that you 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.040 have a lot of love for. But we think we 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.320 did a good job and going out and finding a 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.360 guy that can fill that role for us. CJ got 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.600 three years, twenty four million dollars and the Jets, And 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.320 it seems like a lot of the tight ends on 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.400 the free agent market did very well financially. Was that 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.480 market a little bit more generous than you thought it 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.440 would be? Maybe? I think, you know, some of the 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.920 very top guys got franchised, and so that helped the 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.600 guys that were still hitting free agency a little bit. 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.440 And then you never know how free agency is gonna go. 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.800 It just takes one team to see the need and 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.600 pay what they feel they need to pay to get them. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:28.000 And you know, we tried to compete with CJ. And 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:32.160 I think we did, but you know, everybody makes decisions, 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.160 and you know, I wish him well. He's he's one 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.000 of my favorite all time guys. We're chatting with Duke Tobin. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.040 It you sees pro Day did the addition of three 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.520 starting offensive lineman quote unquote open up the draft and 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.600 make it less likely that you would need to target 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.480 an offensive lineman early. I think that's, you know, our 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.760 philosophy as the draft is always open because when you're 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.920 picking thirty first, you don't know exactly who's going to 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:58.400 get down there, and you know you're going to have 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:02.360 a pretty pretty big pool of guys that you like, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.560 and you want to take a guy that's worth the 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:09.320 pick for sure, not just a position. So yeah, the 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.000 more you can fill in on your team, the better 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.240 you feel. And we've filled in on our team and 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.520 feel really good about what we have in the building 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.480 right now. But we're going to stay open to any 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.800 opportunities to come to us at thirty one, and we 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.720 just don't know what those are, but we'll be ready 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.080 for any of them. As I mentioned, we're chatting at 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.360 UC's pro day. Eight of these guys were at the 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.839 NFL scouting combine. Six were invited to the Senior Bowl. 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.200 Are you amazed by what Luke Fickle has been able 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.599 to do and developing NFL talent at the University of Cincinnati. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.800 It's been fantastic. I'm not amazed because I know what 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.600 Luke's all about, and I know what kind of coach 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:43.439 he is and what kind of recruiter he is and 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.160 how players respond to him. So I wouldn't call myself 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.360 a maze, but it's been great for the city because 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.520 you know, it's it's just something to rally around and 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.280 and what a great program and what a great group 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.200 of guys. And you know, I know he'll reload. This 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.520 is a tough hit for him. He's got his own 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.480 version of free agency where he can go out into 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.440 the portal now and perform some free agent magic. Maybe too, 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.280 but there's a changing landscape in the college football scene 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.400 with the NIL money and the transfer portal, and so 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.720 there's a lot of work to be done, and I 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:18.679 know he's up to it. And I'm looking forward to 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.079 seeing his team next year because they're fun to watch. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.559 Last thing, I'll let you go. Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.959 and Matt Ryan are all coming to the AFC from 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.400 the NFC. Brandon Bean from the Bills recently said he's 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.679 calling for realignment because there's so much talent now in 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.480 the AFC. But how much more difficult is it getting 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.920 to be the team that emerges from this conference and 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.000 ultimately goes to the Super Bowl. Oh, I know from 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.960 experience It wasn't easy last year, so it's it's only 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.120 getting more difficult, and we'll be up for the channel challenge. 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:52.240 We're a team that people recognize now and recognize what 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.439 we have. And again, if you're staying the same, you're 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.560 getting worse. And so you know, we're trying to improve 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:03.120 and make games as well. But yeah, realignment doesn't sound 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.679 so bad right now. Thank you for the time. I 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.480 always appreciate it, you bet. The Bengals Booth podcast is 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.480 presented by Ultimate Bengals, the free to play fantasy football game. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.480 This past season, Ultimate Bengals awarded a weekly winner during 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.640 the course of the year with tickets, autograph merchandise, and 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.840 money can't buy experiences all up for grabs. Find Ultimate 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.720 Bengals in the app Store and Google Play. Up Next 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.560 Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson, which I can serve you, 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.680 my resident Bengals historian. So here's my first question today. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.280 Do you think the Bengals have ever addressed their offseason 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:46.600 needs this decisively and effectively? Forty that's a kind way 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.559 of saying I'm an old bat, but I appreciate you. 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.439 I appreciate that, But I do you know what I 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:58.120 did they have. I do think there have been historical comparisons. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.959 I go back to two thousand and three and Marvin's 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:05.559 first first season here, and you know, he attacked locker 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:10.320 room culture and defense and had to find some starters. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.960 So that's the class that gave you Kevin Haddie, John Thornton, Torry, James, 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.880 Reggie Kelly. You know, within about forty eight hours, thirty 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.040 six hours. That was a pretty good haul, you know. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.440 And then they did some of that sporadically in that 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.839 in the first couple of years of Marvin and then 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.760 in twenty eleven, and it might have been spurred by 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.960 the lockout because they couldn't do anything. As you remember, 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:37.240 they couldn't do anything from about February until the camps 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.760 opened in July, so they had to go fast and 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.520 that of course then they had to go quick and 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:48.240 they got Nick Clements, Thomas Howard, Many Lawson, which was 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:49.800 a pretty good you know, that was a pretty good 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:54.760 run there to get that defense together. So there have 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.920 been there have been I think moments like this, but 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:03.439 I think back to bag and hitting their needs because 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.720 at oh three they needed everything and they got everything. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.320 But in this one, a very specific need and they 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:10.680 went out and then not only did they get it, 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.320 I think they got the three guys they probably if 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.719 you talked to them privately, those were the guys. Those 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.040 are the three guys they could envision being here, and 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.520 they did it, and they did it quickly, and they 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:23.800 not only that, but they lost a tight end and 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.720 then pivoted and got a guy who's you know, at 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.360 least numbers wise, is a pretty good match for Siege 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.079 at US on US. So I would say there happened 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:36.160 moments three eleven. But if you put twenty one on 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.640 top of if you put twenty two on top of 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.920 twenty one on top of twenty, no, three years stretch 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.800 as has there ever been. You know, you got twenty 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.720 twenty one, you had about you get, you get, you 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:53.200 pulled four or five Super Bowl starters and you know, 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.960 so you look at the opening day lineup for twenty 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.920 twenty two and about probably about half are going to 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:02.600 be free agents. They've been one of the biggest spenders 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.079 in the NFL and free agency over the last three years. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.240 At what point is the national media going to stop 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.439 calling Cincinnati cheap? Yeah? You know what forty If they 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.480 haven't done it now. I don't know if they're going 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.120 to because they went to the super Bowl, and they 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.720 went to the super Bowl probably because if you want 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.080 to say the number one reason they went to the 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:27.320 super Bowl, well besides Borrow obviously, but their defense and 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.800 their defense was constructed in twenty twenty and twenty twenty 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:35.200 one and combine, they committed about a quarter of a 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.920 billion dollars total money, and they went to the Super Bowl. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.840 And if it then to still call them cheap, then 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.480 I I don't know how you get. I don't know 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:44.920 how you get. You know, I guess the only way 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.560 you can do it is you went to Super Bowl 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.760 and you got a parade and Borrow tries to throw 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.200 the trophy to Hayden Hurst. I guess I mean is that. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.160 I guess that's I guess that's the only way it's 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.800 gonna stop. Hopefully you'll not be from one boat to 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:01.000 the other like Tom Brady. You know. The other amusing 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:02.840 thing to me is, you know, not only do they 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.160 still get called cheap by some, but they get criticized 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.160 for signing guys to smart contracts. Now that makes no 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.880 sense whatsoever when you can convince a really good player 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.800 top fifteen at his position. Is all three of those 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.160 offensive linemen are graded by Pro Football Focus to sign 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.600 what can probably consider a team friendly deal that to 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.400 me says your front office is smart and doing a 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:31.320 great job, not that you're somehow cheap, No, right, I 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.880 mean it also tells you get a pretty good club 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.320 because people are willing to do that. And and the 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.160 other thing, Cordy, I get a laugh about is they 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:45.520 called they talk about they're out of date. They're out 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:51.800 of date approach to guaranteed money. It's out of date 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:56.640 because they don't guarantee beyond the first year. And you know, 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.560 is it is it out of date or is it smart? Uh? 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.320 You know, particularly when you have a I think they've 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.840 found other ways to do it, by the way roster 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.960 bonuses and such. But they have found ways to get, 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.600 you know, to to do that without getting in trouble 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.240 with guaranteed money. And you know, you know, I can't 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.880 stress enough the respecter of the Joe, I shouldn't call 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:20.400 it a respective. It will be a happy moment to 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.320 get Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow will become to probably the 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.920 richest football player who ever played. You'll probably have that 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:31.280 title for about eight minutes. But it's gonna happen, and 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:32.920 you gotta and you gotta buck you know, and you 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.720 gotta buckle down, and you know, you gotta just gotta. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.920 That might be when they stop saying that they're cheap 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.440 for me, because I would imagine at some point they'll 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.000 probably have to get past that guaranteed money thing with Burrow. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:49.280 But I'm amazed that the you know, calling it out 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:50.720 of date. Is it out of date or is it 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.880 or is it or is it effective? To me? It's 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.560 to me it's effective because it's what you said. They 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.600 were able to get. These guys are basically team friendly 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.880 deals make their team much better and not blow up 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.920 the camp. You know, they haven't had to deal their 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:07.040 best player, which teams have done. You know, they haven't 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.320 had to you know, cut you know, a right tackle 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.840 like the Cowboys had to do. So I just you know, 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.359 I but you know, I get and they went to 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.240 the super Bowl. So we went to the super Bowl 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.560 with this philosophy. So you know, they got to do 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.000 with something right, no question. So all three of these 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.159 guys are in their twenties, so they get them in 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.960 their prime or close to it. None of them is 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.760 breaking the bank. If you add up to three in 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.160 terms of their per year salary, it's twenty one point 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.880 seven five mill There are tackles making about that much. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.960 I mean, Tron Armstead got fifteen million a year this year, 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.320 so that wasn't crazy money for a tackle. Brandon Schurf 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.760 got sixteen point five million dollars a year, and the 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.960 combination inside of Kappa and Carris gets far less than 0:17:58.000 --> 0:17:59.920 that for what the Jags are going to play pay 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.800 Brandon Shurff, who's a great player but has been injury 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.680 prone and is in his thirties. Yeah, I mean it's 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.560 it's kind of the same philosophy they you with the 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.240 Woozier and Hilton uh in the weight last year and 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:11.920 awake at the Jackson deal like a two for the 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.639 price of one. And it's interesting. I was talking to 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.240 one of the scouts today and they say, you know, hey, 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.439 that's that's the you get spread it up because if 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.280 you like Onstead, you know, a great player, But if 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.840 that's your one free agent and he gets hurt, you know, 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.719 you're held hostage to that money. You know, I mean, 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:29.600 at least you can spread this thing out. And I 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.080 but to me, the key thing is is players got 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:34.800 to want to be here and signed those deals and 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.240 they know that they got a shot to get to 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.040 the big game. You know. So I think you know, 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.240 you know, when you sign a check, you know, it's 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.160 Katie Blackburn signon the check, but maybe in the notations 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.240 it's thank you, Joe Burrow with the notations, you know, 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.960 and you know in those little in those little notes, 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.960 you know. So that's the big that's the big thing. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.800 Is that because if you had to if you were trying, 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.560 and we and they've been here, and they've been in 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.159 the point where they've had to had to kind to 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.440 blow out big deals because they had to learn guys 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:08.320 to get here, you know, and so that roster havn't 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:12.280 having a good roster. Boy, that that helps you convince guys. 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.119 There's no question the Borough factor is real when it 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.919 comes to free agency. From everything I've heard in the 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.800 run up to free agency, agents were calling the Bengals saying, 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:27.240 my guy wants to play in Cincinnati. Yeah. The most 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.560 popular guy in Indy was Steven Disipink, who who's the 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.960 Bengals director of post scouting and is the point man 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.399 and free agency. And I'm sure. He had to tell him, Look, guy, guys, 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.000 we'll talk to you when we can talk to you. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.320 But you know, I'm sure that Monday they got a 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.240 lot of Monday, the first day of free agency, they 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.680 got a lot of just exactly what you're talking about. 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.760 And I think that it's uh but not only is 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:53.560 he is he a great player, but I think he's 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.600 the kind of guy. Obviously you watch him play, you 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.200 love the guy. You love the way the guy plays. 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.320 I mean, who was the guy? Who was the guy 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.639 I was talking to the one of the coaches, the 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:10.159 new coach, the new linebackers coach. Yeah, he's got a 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.800 ten year old kid, and he says, uh, well, buddy, 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.680 we've got to cho you know, we're gonna either come 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.360 back to Frisco or we're gonna go to Cincinnati. And uh, 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.120 the kids said, boy, hey, Joe Burrow, that's great, let's go, 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:23.280 you know. And he said and he said, it looks 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.200 like we're gonna go to Cincinnati. And the kids said, great, 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.560 Joe Burrow, let's you know, let's go. So, uh, you know, 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.840 everybody knows Burrow. You know, it's it's it's it's great 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:34.919 to have a great to have a player like that. 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.160 So which of these free agent acquisitions is your favorite? 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:42.800 You know, probably just because he came from New England, 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:47.240 right to Carris, But uh uh I I do. I 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:52.240 do like Harris in the sense that he's you know, 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.080 he's been so well coached and lap touched the head 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:56.560 I'm sure has touched on this. And I had the 0:20:56.560 --> 0:21:02.800 opportunity to talk to coach Skarneckia Scarneki. Yeah, Harris's line 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.119 coach with the Patriots, who's one of us, probably the 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.080 Jim McNally of his day, you know, the ultimate offensive 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.080