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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The I'm fixing a hole where

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Speaker 1: the rain gets. In addition, as I discuss the Bengals

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Speaker 1: free agent fixes with the team's Director of Player Personnel

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Speaker 1: Duke Tobin, and then it's a wide ranging conversation with

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Speaker 1: Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson on what the

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Speaker 1: Bengals have done so far and what they still might do.

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing since Tris Gets. By now, you've probably

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Speaker 1: heard the story about Joe Burrow having some of the

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Speaker 1: Bengals free agent acquisitions over to his house after dinner

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Speaker 1: last week and offering up some crackers and cupcakes. I'm

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Speaker 1: the crackers were trist gits. For my money, the humble trisket,

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Speaker 1: made largely from three ingredients wheat, oil, and salt, is

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Speaker 1: the perfect snack for a very specific set of circumstances.

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Speaker 1: Here goes, you're hungry, you're looking for something to nosh on,

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Speaker 1: find that box of triskets that you totally forgot about.

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Speaker 1: Sure they're not as tasty as potato chips, doritos, tostitos,

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Speaker 1: impress free agent offensive linemen. Now, let's get to this

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Speaker 1: week's guests. On Thursday, nearly one hundred NFL GMS, coaches

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Speaker 1: and scouts attended Pro Day at the University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: The Bearcats could have as many as eight players drafted

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Speaker 1: The Bengals had several staff members on hand, including head

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Speaker 1: coach Zach Taylor and Director of player Personnel Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 1: I spoke to Duke when Pro Day was finished, Duke,

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Speaker 1: how would you describe what the Bengals had been able

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Speaker 1: In free agency. It's there's a lot of moving pieces.

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Speaker 1: It you sees pro Day did the addition of three

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Speaker 1: philosophy as the draft is always open because when you're

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Speaker 1: Last thing, I'll let you go. Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 1: calling for realignment because there's so much talent now in

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Speaker 1: We're a team that people recognize now and recognize what

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Speaker 1: Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson, which I can serve you,

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Speaker 1: my resident Bengals historian. So here's my first question today.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the Bengals have ever addressed their offseason

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Speaker 1: needs this decisively and effectively? Forty that's a kind way

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Speaker 1: of saying I'm an old bat, but I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, But I do you know what I

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Speaker 1: did they have. I do think there have been historical comparisons.

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Speaker 1: I go back to two thousand and three and Marvin's

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Speaker 1: first first season here, and you know, he attacked locker

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Speaker 1: So that's the class that gave you Kevin Haddie, John Thornton, Torry, James,

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Speaker 1: Reggie Kelly. You know, within about forty eight hours, thirty

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Speaker 1: And then they did some of that sporadically in that

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Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, and it might have been spurred by

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Speaker 1: the lockout because they couldn't do anything. As you remember,

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Speaker 1: they couldn't do anything from about February until the camps

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Speaker 1: they got Nick Clements, Thomas Howard, Many Lawson, which was

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Speaker 1: been there have been I think moments like this, but

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Speaker 1: I think back to bag and hitting their needs because

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Speaker 1: at oh three they needed everything and they got everything.

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Speaker 1: But in this one, a very specific need and they

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Speaker 1: I think they got the three guys they probably if

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Speaker 1: they did it, and they did it quickly, and they

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Speaker 1: not only that, but they lost a tight end and

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Speaker 1: then pivoted and got a guy who's you know, at

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Speaker 1: twenty one on top of twenty, no, three years stretch

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Speaker 1: as has there ever been. You know, you got twenty

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Speaker 1: be free agents. They've been one of the biggest spenders

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Speaker 1: At what point is the national media going to stop

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Speaker 1: calling Cincinnati cheap? Yeah? You know what forty If they

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Speaker 1: haven't done it now. I don't know if they're going

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Speaker 1: super Bowl, well besides Borrow obviously, but their defense and

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Speaker 1: their defense was constructed in twenty twenty and twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one and combine, they committed about a quarter of a

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Speaker 1: And if it then to still call them cheap, then

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Speaker 1: I I don't know how you get. I don't know

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Speaker 1: the trophy to Hayden Hurst. I guess I mean is that.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's I guess that's the only way it's

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Speaker 1: the other like Tom Brady. You know. The other amusing

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Speaker 1: for signing guys to smart contracts. Now that makes no

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Speaker 1: other thing, Cordy, I get a laugh about is they

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Speaker 1: you know, to to do that without getting in trouble

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Speaker 1: stress enough the respecter of the Joe, I shouldn't call

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Speaker 1: get Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow will become to probably the

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Speaker 1: richest football player who ever played. You'll probably have that

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Speaker 1: That might be when they stop saying that they're cheap

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Speaker 1: There's no question the Borough factor is real when it

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Speaker 1: popular guy in Indy was Steven Disipink, who who's the

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Speaker 1: So which of these free agent acquisitions is your favorite?

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Speaker 1: So he's got a comes from a great, great, great

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Speaker 1: all of them were great, were great gets. But Harris

427
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: is an interesting guy, very charismatic guy, great sense of humor,

428
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: and that versatility is huge. Obviously you're gonna have injuries

429
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: at some point on the offensive line. If he has

430
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: to kick over to guard, he can do it right now.

431
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: Penciled into play center. Be interesting to see if Tyler

432
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: Linderbaum were there at thirty one. I don't know if

433
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: the Bengals have him graded as highly as some of

434
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: these draft gurus, but if they do and he's there,

435
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: Carris's ability to potentially play guard would be interesting. You know,

436
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: that's draft discussion is still to come. I would say

437
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: for me, I just can't believe how fortunate they were

438
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: to land while l Collins. He's not even twenty nine

439
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: years old, yet when healthy, he's proven to be one

440
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 1: of the best right tackles in the NFL. He's going

441
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: to be the tenth highest paid right tackle in the

442
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: league if the reports of his contract are accurate. Three years,

443
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: twenty one mill. There are five tackles in the NFL

444
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: making more than seventeen million dollars a year, and the

445
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: Bengals get a great one in his prime for seven

446
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. That is tremendous value for a

447
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: player of his skill level and track record. Oh, I

448
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: mean it's and I think you're right. I mean he's

449
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: a favorite too, just because of he comes out of

450
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: the Frank Pollock school. So not only do they get

451
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: a guy that you just as you so well said Hardy,

452
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: a top player at a bargain rate, but at a

453
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: guy who knows he can walk in. He knows the

454
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,959
Speaker 1: scheme blind blindfold. He can walk in and he can

455
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: play right tackle and in this scheme. And he's got

456
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: a great reply. I mean, to me, what they did

457
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: with those three guys, They not only you know, talent wise,

458
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: but look how they change the culture of the room.

459
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: You know, youve got uh cars has been to two

460
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Carris's two rings, Kappa has one ring, you know,

461
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: and Collins has been was a part of one of

462
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: the top offensive lines in the game and has worked

463
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: with that worked with the offensive line coach who's a

464
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: who's an own story himself, with his with his mindset,

465
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: and so I you know, the Collins, the Colins signing,

466
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: it's just I think it really is a is It

467
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: tells you a it tells you how effective they were,

468
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: what it's meant, what the Super Bowl appearance meant to

469
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: them around the league. But it also shows you, I

470
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: think what they got in Pollock and you know how

471
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: they've really I mean, you know, just a week ago

472
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: we were talking about how bad they were in the

473
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: offensive line, and it was a punch line. They were

474
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: a punch line, and it's all you about it. Suddenly

475
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: they got to feel like they're at the very least,

476
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: they're a hell of a lot better, no question about it.

477
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: They've still got a few bucks to spend in free agency,

478
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: not for high priced guys, but for you know, roster

479
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: depth kind of guys. What positions do you think they're

480
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: most likely to target. Well, they've clearly got a shore

481
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: up cornerback, uh, you know, as they're going to be

482
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: some good lineman there. But you know, at thirty one,

483
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: if they can grab a good corner, I think that's

484
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a it's gonna be that's gonna be the

485
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: position of priority because all they've got the three starters,

486
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: so they need depth there. And I think also they're

487
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: probably looking at you know, still looking for a backup tackle,

488
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: probably looking for a rotation defensive tackle. Probably also looking

489
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,479
Speaker 1: for a rotational edge player. You know, but I do

490
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: think they're I do think they're looking at defense. You know,

491
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: they've also got to pick up some kind of a

492
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver, a wide receiver or two, because they've got

493
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: they don't really don't have any depth. They really don't

494
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: have any depth there. So you know, it's like the

495
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: same thing a corner. The three, the three they got

496
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: her really good, but you know they need some numbers

497
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: behind it. But I would say, you know, cornerback, rotational

498
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, and wide receivers. I think that's what we're

499
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: looking at now. After Larry Ogan Job's deal in Chicago

500
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: fell through when he flunked his physical. Is a return

501
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati on a short term deal a possibility in

502
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: your opinion? I think the jury's out for another month.

503
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to get a look at

504
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: the foot. They're gonna have to see how the foot is.

505
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna try and get probably other players.

506
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: Before that, Bengals made a strong, bold move for b J. Hill.

507
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how Larry's going to feel about that,

508
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: but I think you know they would Larry Ogenjobi is

509
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 1: as a guy, you won't find a better guy, a

510
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: better locker room guy. And obviously his seven sacks showed

511
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: you what a fine player is. So I gotta believe

512
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: if he's healthy and he wants to come back, I

513
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: gotta believe, you know, in a month, that that would

514
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: be an option. But I don't know that they're gonna

515
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: wait around, you know what I mean, and wait around

516
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: for that. I think they get A. You know, they

517
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: get a they obviously feel like I think they get

518
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: the kind of fill in the back end of that

519
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: depth shot him in the D line. I don't know

520
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: if they can wait for Larry's foot or not. Let's

521
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: talk safeties. Jesse Bates right now is on the franchise

522
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: tag for twelve point nine mill for this upcoming season.

523
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: They can continue to negotiate with him until July fifteenth

524
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: to try to work out a long term deal or

525
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Safeties have not been breaking the bank this

526
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: year in free agency. Marcus Williams goes from the Saints

527
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: to the Ravens. He gets fourteen million dollars a year.

528
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: Great money obviously, but not at the top of the

529
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: pay scale for safety. Justin Reid goes from Houston to

530
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: Kansas City. He gets ten and a half million a year. Now,

531
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: I don't think either of those guys is as good

532
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: as Jesse Bates. But is the fact that Safeties are

533
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: not getting big bucks this free agency cycle for whatever

534
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: reason and potentially going to help Cincinnati work out a

535
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: deal with Jesse Banks. I think the Bengals are committed

536
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: to getting something done with Jesse I really do, because

537
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: he's such a good locker room guy, and he's such

538
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: a good player. I mean, he's the whole package. He's

539
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: a total package. The problem is they got to put that.

540
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: They got to fit that package in with a contract

541
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: for a franchise quarterback, and uh, where does a safety

542
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: fit in that? And uh, you know that's that's I

543
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: think that's the I think that's the a and I

544
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: call it the specter of Burrow's contract because I think

545
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: it was also you could see the shadow of it

546
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: in this in this uh, in this free agency run,

547
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: they went for the middle. You know, they basically went

548
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: for the you know, there was a note there was

549
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: not a Trey Hendrickson deal for them. You know, they

550
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: were not going to make a Trey Hendrickson deal or

551
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: a DJ Raider read a deal they really can't with

552
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: with with with Burrow looming, where Jesse fits into that,

553
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I know they want to get something

554
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: with him, uh, you know, to lock him up because

555
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: he's a guy they want um. But I just don't

556
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: know if Jesse's looking at those other deals, you know,

557
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean I don't you know, like you said it,

558
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: those two guys are not Jesse Bates. So you know.

559
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, if if you're Bates and his

560
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: agent and you're at this point, you know, I don't know,

561
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: do you go for another cycle or or do you

562
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: go for the security? You know, and it's a it's

563
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: a tough you know. I'm glad, I'm not I don't

564
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: have to I'm glad I don't have to answer that question.

565
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad get to observe. The Borough contract is going

566
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: to be very interesting. The top quarterbacks in the NFL

567
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: are all making more than forty million dollars a year.

568
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: He certainly is going to make above forty million based

569
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: on what he's done so far in his NFL career,

570
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: but the length of some of these quarterback contracts varies wildly.

571
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes signed a ten year deal for nearly half

572
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: a billion dollars. Deshaun Watson five years, all guaranteed two

573
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million bucks, So that's forty six million

574
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: a year. So Burrow's going to make a ton of money.

575
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: The interesting thing to see will be how it structured.

576
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: Can they spread it out like Kansas City did to

577
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: lessen that the yearly cap impact? Do they want to

578
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: reach a deal that long with a quarterback with anybody.

579
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: It's you'd like to think that Joe's going to want

580
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: to have good players around him so that you know,

581
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: he'll want to get paid what he deserves. But I

582
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit. I

583
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'd like to think that he will

584
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: look at this is all right, how can I get

585
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: above forty million dollars like the top quarterbacks get, but

586
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: also structured in such a way that I can keep

587
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: contending for Super Bowl titles. I don't think there's any

588
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: doubt he'll say that. I have no doubt in my mind.

589
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: And you know, the Proud family's been here before and

590
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: they've done it. They made boomeras size and if I'm

591
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: not mistaken, they me him the highest quarterback in the league.

592
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: At one point, they made Casson Palmer the highest paid

593
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. Casson's was an interesting structure there.

594
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: I think it went when he signed it at the

595
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: end of two thousand and five. It went to two

596
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen. Now, of course he didn't see it

597
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: all the way. He had to trade the man and

598
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: they and they and they traded him. But you know,

599
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: I think plus it's a different game now, it's a

600
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: different league now than it was back then. But you know, uh,

601
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Bengals have been in this thing before. And I think Burrow,

602
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, I think they I think they know each

603
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: other pretty well. Burrow and the Burrow and the Bengals.

604
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: I think it's uh, they seem to be on the

605
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: same mind frame. And I think, you know, uh, you know,

606
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: we've watched Brady down through the years. I think Brady

607
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: down through the years always took a team friendly deal

608
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's gonna be interesting to see,

609
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: I think, you know, but anybody who know who has

610
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know Borrow all that well. I've

611
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: talked to him a little bit. I've talked to a

612
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: lot of people that do know. But I talked to

613
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: Borrow enough to know that he wants to Oh yeah,

614
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: so at whatever, at whatever that has to happen, well

615
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: whatever that means financially, I you know, I don't know,

616
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: because I'm not you know, I'm not an economist, which

617
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: you have to be nowadays. But the figure this thing

618
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: out or Paul Dayner, whichever comes first. But Da Dayner

619
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: said this a long time ago. He thought that Borrow

620
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: would be the first fifty million dollar dollar your quarterback.

621
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: He may be run but as you said, how does

622
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: he how do we structure it? And but I think

623
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: there's been a pretty good roadmap for guys like Brady

624
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: in the Brown family, which has you know, they've you know,

625
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: negotiated a lot of these deals. So I would think

626
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: it's going to fit fit the team, in the market

627
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: and the man. Of course, in Brady's case, his supermodel

628
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: Brazilian wife was making more money than than he was,

629
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: so that that may have helped him settle for a

630
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: few dollars less over the years. In any case, safeties

631
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: didn't get a ton of money in free agency tight

632
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: ends did. It seemed like anybody that played the position

633
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: made serious bucks in this free agency cycle. And kudos

634
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: to CJ Uzama for getting his twenty four mil over

635
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: three years from the Jets. How big of a blow

636
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: is that? I think, you know, obviously, even locker room,

637
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a shot. Anytime you lose twenty your leaders,

638
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: Barrow loses one of his security guys, you know, I mean,

639
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: he always seemed he seemed to know as CJ was.

640
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: I was surprised CJ didn't move because I really thought

641
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: that Burrow. When Barrow came, CJ's career took off people.

642
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he was Joe's first two games, if I'm

643
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: not mistaken, he threw his first touchdown pass the CJ

644
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: before in the same game CJ blew out as Achilles

645
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: correct and then last year, you know, he was really

646
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: a lot of big moments. So I was kind of

647
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: surprised because I thought that was a real good, real

648
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: good tanem. So I think that's a that's obviously going

649
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: to be a blow I think in the room because

650
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: he's such a good guy and an obviously a leader.

651
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: But I think also the guy they shining and Hurst

652
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: certainly has, you know, put up better numbers, and he

653
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: did in his one year with Matt Ryan before UM,

654
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: before the rookie, before Kyle Pitts arrived. You know, he

655
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: put up a fifty catch season with Ryan and a

656
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: bunch of touchdowns. So I think they came out of

657
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: it pretty well on paper, you know. I mean, I

658
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: I think, you know, obviously losing a guy with CJ's

659
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: big personality, I think that you know, you lose something there.

660
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: But I also think it's a Zach's done a good

661
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: job where he's made sure that that that locker room

662
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: there's enough big personalities in there that it could make

663
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: up for You know that now you don't. It doesn't

664
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: rely on one guy. You know, of course, the guy

665
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: is Borrow. He's still got him. He's the he's the magnet.

666
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: But you've also you've lost CJ. But you've lost, but

667
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: you've also picked up three really good locker room guys

668
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: in Kapa, Harrison, and Collins. And you know he's still

669
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: get von Bell in the middle of the defense. Who's

670
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you get you get leaders all

671
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: up and down the thing. You know, that's why they

672
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl. So tough to lose. CJ.

673
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: Great guy. I'd say, I always felt so uncomfortable talking

674
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: to CJ. Because he's clearly the coolest man on the

675
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: planet and I had no shot when everybody talking to

676
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: I just felt like I was some like I felt

677
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: like I was some old guy. You know that he

678
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: was high. Nice to see it, but I don't, you know,

679
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: I think he was. I think he was as nervous

680
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: around me as I was around him. He was so

681
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: cool and I was not. Yeah, he's he's actually the

682
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: second coolest person to Borrow because in Burrow's case, it's

683
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: so effortless. I mean, nobody has ever been cooler without

684
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: trying to be cool than Joe Burrow. It's uncanny. Borrows

685
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: so cool, he doesn't mind talking to me. He makes

686
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: me feel cool. Borrow so cool. That's hard to do.

687
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: That is hard to do. That. That might be the

688
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: greatest accomplishment correct going that going to the AFC Championship

689
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 1: Game is season. So what impact do you think free

690
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: agency has had on the Bengals draft board. I just

691
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: think it opens it up forty you might get drafted

692
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: at thirty one. I mean, it just opens up the

693
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: whole thing. You know, they could even you know, I

694
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: mean probably you know, probably not the I don't know,

695
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: I could see him drafting them. I mean, if if

696
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: a wide receiver was sitting in at thirty, winning was

697
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: clearly the best player they take. But I also think

698
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: if they got that way at thirty one, they probably

699
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: trade back. But this means, I mean, the fact that

700
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: they were able to get those three offensive linemen. I

701
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: just think it opens up the board form. I also

702
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: think it's that's a good shot to get a good cornerback.

703
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: You know, you can get a really good quarterback at

704
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: thirty one. That's what I'm really That's what the first

705
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: thing I thought about when Harrison Kappa game. I'm thinking,

706
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: that's good. Now they can go Now they can resign Eli,

707
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: and then they can go get a guy that maybe

708
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: can you know, maybe can learn, a really good player

709
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: that can learn under Eli and h Woosia. You know.

710
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's kind of what I'm But again,

711
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: it'd be interesting to see what if. What if what

712
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: if Higg You know, they got T Higgins with thirty three,

713
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: what if there's a guy like him at thirty one?

714
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: You know what there will be. I mean, there's so

715
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: many wide receivers now in every draft that there's going

716
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: to be a really good one. I find it unlikely

717
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: that they would make that move, but I guess you

718
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: can't rule it out. They were very fortunate last year

719
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: that the Big three, the Cincinnati three way basically played

720
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: every snap. The odds of that happening in back to

721
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: back seasons, unfortunately, would be low. So you would like

722
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: to have another really potent weapon at that position. If

723
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: you could add one, you'd have to talk about it.

724
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: That's all I have to say, you'd have to talk

725
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: about it. But you know, they always say, you know,

726
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: one of the things about drafting a receiver of a

727
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: bucketting a guy like Borrow, was well, now you don't

728
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: have to draft the receivers so high. Well maybe you do,

729
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: because I mean maybe, I mean, you know, the t

730
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: Higgins was in the second round, Jamal was in the

731
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: first round. Did Tom Brady ever have back to back

732
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: drafts like that for receivers? Probably not worked out very

733
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: well though, you know, so who knows. But I also

734
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: think that they're in a prime spot to trade back

735
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: because you just mentioned it. The receiver and that's usually

736
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: where there's kind of a run on receiver is usually

737
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: typically historically right there, or it could be you know,

738
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: if if see how these quarterbacks vet, but maybe it

739
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: is that's maybe that's I think they're hoping that that's

740
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: where the quarterback run comes and then you know who,

741
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, somebody's going to be somebody's always I mean,

742
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: if they're frady to get up to get to a quarterback,

743
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: they're desperate anyway, so that that would be interesting to

744
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: see what kind of capital they could get there. That

745
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: is the one thing about having the thirty first pick.

746
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: There are teams that are going to be thinking, Okay,

747
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: this quarterback is still on the board. If we get him,

748
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: will control his rights for an extra year as a

749
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: first round draft pick because of the fifth year option

750
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: that we won't have if we take the same guy

751
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: in the back and round. So that makes that a

752
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: very appealing position to be And in terms of trading back.

753
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: On the other hand, the Bengals, there will be somebody

754
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: on their board that's, you know, twelfth, that's still there

755
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: at thirty one for whatever reason, because all these boards

756
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: are different, and then they do the same math where

757
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: they think, well, huh, if we draft the guy, we

758
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: get a fifth year as well. So it's there's some

759
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: appeal in trading back obviously and getting extra picks, but

760
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: there's also something to be said for controlling that guy

761
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: for one more year. Yeah, I mean, I you know,

762
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: when I that's why I think the quarterbacks go earlier.

763
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: You know, the run probably going to be too late.

764
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: You know, it's probably gonna be too late now now

765
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, ten years ago good spot for a quarterback

766
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: run there, you know, but I think or before the

767
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: fifth year option came in, But now it's probably going

768
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: to be at seventeen eighteen nineteen, you know, I mean,

769
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know the kid from pitch. They're raving

770
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: about the kid. But this happens every doesn't happen every draft,

771
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: whatever quarterback. It is always a quarterback that has a

772
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, good combine, good pro day, and all of

773
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: a sudden he goes from being just a guy. You're

774
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: talking about it too. Well, he's gonna normally he's gonna

775
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: be one of the you know, he's gonna. I guess

776
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: they're talking about this kid in the top ten now,

777
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: So does that? Does that? Does that ignight a run?

778
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: You know? Does that Igknight to run earlier than you know?

779
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: And that's just the way it is with quarterbacks now

780
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: they're so coveted, and especially the Bengals are the best

781
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: example of what a quarterback can do for you. So

782
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: it's uh, probably they're probably the run is going to

783
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: happen before thirty one, but there will be a good

784
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver there. You know. I think see Higgins might

785
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: have been their seventieth player on the board or whatever,

786
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: you know, which is why they which was why they

787
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: went for him and not Logan Wolves. I mentioned earlier,

788
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's deal in Cleveland. It's all guaranteed. Nobody's ever

789
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: given a player a guaranteed deal like that in the NFL.

790
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: This is like a baseball contract instead of a football contract.

791
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: Have there been any developments in free agency? Maybe that's

792
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: one of them that you look at and think, huh,

793
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: this could post problems for the Bengals down the road

794
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: because of the precedent that it's setting. Yeah. I just

795
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: we'll see how the Watson thing plays out. If that

796
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: thing blows up, that's gonna be a damning thing for

797
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: guaranteed money, you know what I mean. Now, if he

798
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: takes him to the playoffs for the next two years, Oh,

799
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: everybody's good, you know, because there was a note I

800
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: think by Florio on Pro Football Park the other day

801
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: the ramsification of the NFL a copycat league. So everybody's

802
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: trading now, nobody's nobody wants to picks to trade them,

803
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: although they've got to be trading with somebody. Somebody likes

804
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: picks because they've been able to find teams. But I

805
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: think Mike's point was it's a copycat league, but only

806
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: if you win. So we'll see what happens with Watsonton Brown.

807
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: I mean that thing could get ugly quick or he could,

808
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, he could, They could win the division, you know,

809
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: And then I think, to me, that's where the fate

810
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: of guaranteed money will be decided. But let's face it,

811
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess guaranteed money, you know, guaranteed money,

812
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: I guess is coming is a comment at some point

813
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: in football. I don't know. I think it's an interesting

814
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: It's just a different game of baseball very much so.

815
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: I think one thing that's happened that would be a

816
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: big concern in my opinion for the Bengals would be

817
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: the deals that some of these wide receivers are getting.

818
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Tyree Hill thirty million dollars a year, Davante

819
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: Adams twenty eight million dollars a year. Prior to this

820
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: wave of free agency, there was only one wide receiver

821
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: making more than roughly twenty million a year, and that

822
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: was DeAndre Hopkins twenty seven point two five and he

823
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: only had a two year deal. The other top receivers

824
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: were all right around twenty Keenan, Allen, Marii Cooper, Chris

825
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: Godwin got twenty million a year Mike Williams got twenty

826
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: million a year this year in free agency. So instead

827
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: of what normally happens where these the top of this

828
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: pay scale rises incrementally from year to year, this was

829
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: like the forty inch vertical at the combine, where suddenly

830
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: the pay scale for the top wide receivers just jumped

831
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: way way up. And the Bengals obviously have two young

832
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: ones that they would like to pay and like to

833
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: keep to go with the franchise quarterback correct, So it

834
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: would strike me as being virtually impossible, wouldn't it. But

835
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: maybe they can find a way. I mean, you know, um,

836
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: it's yeah, that I think that's that that's eye opening.

837
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: I think also I think also the other thing is

838
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: look at what's look at how look at how the

839
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are just I mean, I don't know, you know,

840
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: Joe might make sixty million, I don't know. I mean

841
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: the way look at the Watson deal, the the just

842
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the lengths the teams are going

843
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: to find that guy. And it just seems like they

844
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: get to be fewer and fewer quarterbacks, you know, I mean,

845
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: they just get to be I mean, there's thirty two

846
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: teams and there just doesn't seem to be enough, and

847
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: it seems that dwindle by the year. And I don't

848
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: want to because everybody and I don't know why, because

849
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: everybody's playing seven on seven from from high school to college,

850
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, nobody hands off anymore. Everybody should

851
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: be should be expert passers. Yeah, well, the y is

852
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: the jump from college to the NFL is that significant.

853
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: It's so much more complicated. The athletes are so much better.

854
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: If you know, if you're a great college quarterback, it

855
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean anything when you get to the NFL.

856
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: So when you find one like Joe Burrow, you make

857
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: sure that you keep them and you keep trying. And

858
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: if you can't get Burrow, you know, it sets you

859
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: back for you know, I mean, it takes down coaches,

860
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: It takes down general managers, it takes down players if

861
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: you don't have one. I mean, you know, I mean Chicago,

862
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: look at look at Chicago, you know, say what you

863
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: you know, people taking shots at the Bengals Horty, but

864
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: they've always had a quarterback. It seems like, I mean

865
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: they're a stretched there at the turn of the century. Um,

866
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, well, in the nineties when when they drafted

867
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: Clinger and moved away from Boomer and they couldn't get

868
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: a figure out for a decade, you know, and that

869
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: was and that and that really cost him, That really

870
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: cost him. But there is something like the Browns having

871
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: figured it out for three decades, you know, and some

872
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: franchises like the Falcons, they just really hit it with

873
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan just that, you know. But the Bengals have

874
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: had down through the years, They've always pretty much always

875
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: had a a If he's not a Pro Bowl quarterback,

876
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: he's close. And Andy was on that. You know, people

877
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: people up to pick shots at Andy, but he won

878
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: games and he was went to a couple of Pro Bowls.

879
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: So you know, to me, it's it's it's it's years

880
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: like this way you say we are then, you know,

881
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: couldn't they have a quarterback? Let's worry about the rest.

882
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: That's definitely a great position to be in. Final question

883
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: for you, I appreciate your time. You are a dogged reporter.

884
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: Have you found out what kind of crackers and cupcakes

885
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow served at his house last Friday? I have

886
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: failed on that um And it's a great question, but

887
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I was thinking about calling

888
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: the alignment, but do you think they'd really know? And I,

889
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, could you imagine Ted Carres said, oh, yeah,

890
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: they were? And because I was, it's interesting you should

891
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: ask me that, Hordy, because I was thinking I'd love

892
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: to know that. But how would I ask? You know,

893
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: I might be you know, if I asked that, if

894
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Ted Carress, he might never talk to you again. You know,

895
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, so you know, hey, what can you know?

896
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: But he who knows no one Teddy might have said, oh, yeah,

897
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: we had like kids. I love trikes. That's why I

898
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: signed you know cheese, it's you know, and uh and

899
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: the cupcakes thing kind of threw me. I don't know

900
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: that was I want to know what bakery they might

901
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: have kept that from. That would have been a he

902
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: could have been a busking guy, maybe servates or you know,

903
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: one of the more like gourmet bakeries that that strictly

904
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: makes cupcakes. It's all possible. Joe's got good taste. I

905
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: just had this vision of him like where, you know,

906
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: like Joe with his glasses, leaning leaning down and pulling

907
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: him out of the stove. But I don't think that.

908
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think that. I don't think

909
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: that happened. You know, he's cool, but he's not. He's cool,

910
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: but you know that that's why he's cool. I guess

911
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: he probably probably dropped him. You know, he probably ordered

912
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: out and dropped in sixty. But Hoarding, the next time

913
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: you talk to me, I hope to have an answer

914
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: for that. Well, you won't have to try to get it,

915
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: because soon he'll have a cupcake endorsement deal and then

916
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: then we'll know where he gets where he gets his cupcakes.

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Speaker 1: You got it, well, I hoarding. I just when I

918
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: heard crackers, of course, my my, my eyes, my ears

919
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: pricked up because I love crackers. In fact, in fact,

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Speaker 1: Jack Jack Brenning, the old great those purpulations man said

921
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Speaker 1: texting me, he goes, I can't believe Borrow didn't have

922
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: you over for crackers because uh PJ and Jack always

923
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: would put those. Scott would always put the chili crackers

924
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: from you know, Bings gold Star. You know, because we

925
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: went there and he put them in that he blowed

926
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Speaker 1: him up and put him in my mailbox because he

927
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: knows how much I'd love crackers. So maybe he had that,

928
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Speaker 1: Maybe he had a maybe he had chili Crackers. Cars

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Speaker 1: did such a great Carris did such a great job

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Speaker 1: on Bengals dot com with his uh eating chili. He

931
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: and Kappa that maybe they brought them over. We will

932
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Speaker 1: have to find out, butch, this has been fun. As always,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. Look forward to seeing you in

934
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Speaker 1: person sometime soon. Always great talking to the best Ohio

935
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Speaker 1: broadcaster and Syracuse legend. Thank you very much, Morty. That's

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