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Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm

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Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: Frequently I'm asked a very disturbing question. Do you believe

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Speaker 3: the ghosts of children are demons in disguise?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: People ask me this on the regular and my response

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Speaker 3: is always the same. That's not the sort of thing

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Speaker 3: I would be okay with myself being wrong on. So

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm risking demonic possession every time I encounter

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Speaker 3: the ghost of a child. Can you imagine the spirit

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Speaker 3: of a lost child coming to investigators for help only

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Speaker 3: to be treated as though they were an evil entity? Personally,

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Speaker 3: I'm not willing to take that chance. The reality is,

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Speaker 3: I think this idea was born from the fact that

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Speaker 3: it's hard for us to imagine children ending up as spirits,

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Speaker 3: somehow condemned to an eternity of wandering the earth. The

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Speaker 3: universe couldn't possibly let that happen, right, So of course

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Speaker 3: they must be demons. In all my years investigating, not

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Speaker 3: once have I encountered a spirit of a child who

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Speaker 3: I believed to be something evil or sinister in disguise.

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Speaker 3: That being said, there is a location one I've had

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Speaker 3: yet to visit, where time and time again it is

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Speaker 3: stated there is something very ominous there, masquerading as the

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Speaker 3: spirit of an adorable child named Sally. Let's see if

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Speaker 3: we can get to the bottom of this. Shall we

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Speaker 3: join me as we head to Atchison, Kansas to visit

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Speaker 3: the Sally House. I'm Amy Rooney, and welcome to Haunted Road. Atchison,

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Speaker 3: Kansas is a small town with a population of just

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Speaker 3: over ten thousand people, but what it lacks in numbers

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Speaker 3: it makes up for with rich history. The first European

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Speaker 3: settlers built a trading post there so they could buy

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Speaker 3: and sell with the indigenous Kansa people from there, became

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Speaker 3: a stop on a stagecoach line, then a railway station.

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Speaker 3: It seemed to always be a temporary resting place for

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Speaker 3: passers through, and it's the birthplace of one of history's

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Speaker 3: most famous doomed travelers, Amelia Earhart. On the outskirts of Atchison,

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Speaker 3: on an otherwise unremarkable residential street sits the Sally House.

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Speaker 3: At first glance, it looks like any other white two

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Speaker 3: might never give it a second look if you didn't

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Speaker 3: know about the Sally House's haunted history. It was built

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Speaker 3: in the mid to late nineteenth century for Michael and

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Speaker 3: It's said that they were so eager to move into

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Speaker 3: their new home that they lived there even before it

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Speaker 3: was finished. They stayed in the basement while the upper

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Speaker 3: floors were still being erected. Sadly, shortly after the house

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Speaker 3: was completed, Michael passed away in eighteen seventy two. At

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Speaker 3: some point in the nineteen hundreds, the Sally House became

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Speaker 3: a rental. It changed ownership several times while a steady

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Speaker 3: stream of temporary residence came and went. That includes Johanna

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Speaker 3: Barnes and her five year old son Frank. Johanna suffered

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Speaker 3: her son on the night of September twenty fourth, nineteen

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Speaker 3: While Johanna survived, Frank did not. At some point after that,

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Speaker 3: although it's unclear when, strange things began happening in the home,

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Speaker 3: particularly for tenants children their toys would move around on

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Speaker 3: their own, and unfortunately, even when these kids insisted that

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Speaker 3: scattered around, they still sometimes got blamed for it. One

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Speaker 3: named after Sally. Her parents didn't think much of it

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Speaker 3: and talking to this imaginary friend. Then, on December thirty first,

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two, Tony and Deborah Pickman moved in as

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Speaker 3: the newest renters. The two were expecting their first child,

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Speaker 3: and they probably liked that the house had two bedrooms

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Speaker 3: then minutes later bright and again. It only happened at night,

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Speaker 3: The dimming never happened again. It was like whatever entity

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Speaker 3: Other technical problems included an oven timer that went off

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Speaker 3: state of inexplicable terror. After Deborah gave birth to her son,

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Speaker 3: when no one had touched it. Speaking of Teddy bears.

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Speaker 3: as though it had jumped down on its own. There

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Speaker 3: Deborah later published called The Sally House Haunting, she described

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Speaker 3: one especially unsettling incident. One night, the whole family went

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Speaker 3: out to visit Tony's parents. Nobody was home, but when

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Speaker 3: had been moved. Now they were sitting in a circle,

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Speaker 3: But when they asked around, nobody owned.

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Speaker 3: However, after a lot of conversations with people on the block,

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Speaker 3: previous renters had experienced. That's also how Deborah learned the

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Speaker 3: name of the little girl's imaginary friend, which may have

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Speaker 3: her house, Sally. Now, I do want to be clear,

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Speaker 3: there's no record that anyone named Sally ever died within

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Speaker 3: making the electronics malfunction, had been her attempts to keep

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Speaker 3: may have been Sally's mother. Now, like Saally, this unidentified

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Speaker 2: And what's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Uh? That's such a you know in the paranormal game,

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Speaker 2: This happened in front of you, right.

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Speaker 1: Specifically back then, you know, I always would play Wugi

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Speaker 3: But it's okay, you have the you have the bacon

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Speaker 3: by step, but like, how long ago was this and

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00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 3: you know, what was it like when you first like

437
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: set foot in that house.

438
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: This would probably be about twelve to fifteen years ago.

439
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: As soon as we got there, as soon as and

440
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: I won't say as soon as I walked on the property,

441
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: like when I opened the door and I seen the

442
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: staircase going upstairs, I just got the I was feeling

443
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: a file filth gross like blah. I mean, I can't

444
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: even really describe it, just not good. We were unpacking,

445
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: getting ready to, you know, just put our equipment and

446
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: get it all charged up. My buddy's cell phone flew

447
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: off the table into the living room and it's like, oh, okay,

448
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: that's what this is going to be tonight. First thing,

449
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: right off the bat, I decide I want to be

450
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: I want to go down in the basement. And by

451
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: this guy, i'd heard that there was no Sally ghost.

452
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: There's no Sally girl that died from a procedure in there,

453
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: there's no records of it. The story I heard was

454
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: a lady that lived there back in the day, was

455
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: dabbling in the occult and black magic in the basement,

456
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: and supposedly there's a pentagram on the floor. You go

457
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: down there, there's a big black spot on the floor.

458
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: Who knows what it is or what it was. But

459
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: it's about six o'clock. I mean, it's still daylight. And

460
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: I try some you know, is anyone here can give

461
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: me a sign, you know, the normal ghost hunting techniques.

462
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago. Nothing's happening. So I decide, well, if

463
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: this is a cult, I'll try religious provocation. It just

464
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: makes sense to me, you know. So I go, in

465
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: the name of Jesus Christ do something and I feel

466
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: like a bug bite burn on the back of my leg,

467
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I just got scratched. This is awesome.

468
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: So I run upstairs and roll up my pant leg.

469
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: On the back of my calf. There's a big patch

470
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: of bald like the hair is burned off my leg

471
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: and you can smell the burnt hair. You can see

472
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: singed hair like something burned hair off my leg. And

473
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, that's nuts. This is something way different.

474
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: So I go up. There's a Catholic college in town.

475
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: I go up to the gift shop, spend like one

476
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty dollars on crucifixes,

477
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: holy water, you name it, protection, this and that. I

478
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: get back down there the holy water bottles are empty.

479
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: They're just decorative bottles. So I go back up there again.

480
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: Everything's closed and it's like that scene in The Lost

481
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: Boys where they're filling up their squirt guns with holy water.

482
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: Like I walk in a building, I'm like, this is

483
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: a church. I see water. It's like that's got to

484
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: be holy water. What else would it be. So I'm

485
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: like filling up the bottles, looking around, like am I

486
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: even supposed to be here?

487
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: I think you're allowed to do that. I'm not sure,

488
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: but I think you are.

489
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna you know, if the cops came, like,

490
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: come on, I'm getting holy water, you know. So I

491
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: go back down. I put one of the holy water

492
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: bottles on where that pentagram supposedly was. We investigate upstairs

493
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: and everything. I go back downstairs to pick up my

494
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: holy water bottle. It's empty and there's a lid on

495
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: the top, but you can see the condensation in the glass.

496
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: It's like it evaporated out of it. And I ended

497
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: up leaving early. Just on top of that was feelings,

498
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: a dread, just something's not right, you know, that fight

499
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: or flight feeling. And when I got home. That started

500
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 1: about three months of me just being really weird, like

501
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: very like not leave the house, reclusive. I can remember

502
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: my buddy knocking at my screen door and I shut

503
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: my main door in his face, and like I won't

504
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: people leave me alone. I'm sick of people. And then

505
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: I started getting like mental flashes of like violent acts,

506
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: like just a little quick one second to make me go, man,

507
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: what is wrong? Like what's happening here? You know? And

508
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: I ended up finding a church in town and went

509
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: for like three days a week there. For a while,

510
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: I was fine, but I really think something almost got

511
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: a hold of me.

512
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: I hear the demon actually in the background of your

513
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: house right now, right, I think it's still it's still

514
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 3: with you, Johnny. It's funny because it's not. I mean,

515
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: it's not funny at all. So, first of all, you

516
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: were supposed to be there for three nights. It sounds

517
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: like you didn't even make it through the first night.

518
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: That feeling of just something's wrong, Like there's been a

519
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: few haunts like that where I've walked in and I

520
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: can almost it almost feels like you're just sick inside.

521
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: But it's like it's like a weird visceral, like something

522
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: is very wrong. Here, and I feel it, like physically

523
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: but also like spiritually in my soul that either there's

524
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: someone or some sort of energy that's very distraught and upset,

525
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: or there's something like legitimately dangerous here. And what you're

526
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: describing is just like so unexplainable. You know, how does

527
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: that possibly happen? I mean, I the only thing that

528
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: can happen someone snuck down there and I try to

529
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: play a joke on yours in which I don't think happened.

530
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: And then for you to be affected by someone who

531
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: you know went for so long, you know, you took

532
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: a picture of bacon barf. That's like, You're not someone

533
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: who gets scared and has things like stick with you

534
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: for so long. You know, it's like you were fascinated

535
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: by those things. So for it to really like kind

536
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: of affect you that way after, it's really interesting.

537
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: I remember I drove home in the middle of the

538
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: night and got home and as soon as I walked

539
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: in my door, I kind of dropped my bag. I

540
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: started crying, like I just felt like I got back

541
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: from war, you know, and all of a sudden, I

542
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: was like home and it's like, what did I just

543
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: go through? You know, it's like this flood of emotions

544
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: just came out. I mean, the weirdness, the weird thoughts

545
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: and everything. I mean, I was I was married at

546
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: the time, and my ex wife would say we'd be

547
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: eaten and you'd just be staring at it, being like

548
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: you wanted to kill me. I'm like, no, I wasn't.

549
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you're like what you know, just it's

550
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: very oppressive. That place is very oppressive and just full

551
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: of nothing good.

552
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: Right now, what do you think about I know you

553
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: did eventually go back, but we'll get to that. But

554
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: what what do you think about the fact that you

555
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: know there are people investigating there quite a bit. And

556
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea of you know,

557
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: demons and whatnot. I don't really put like a face

558
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: on things. But I do believe in like true negative

559
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: type energy, and I think that energy can be human

560
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: or I think something so terrible and tragic can happen

561
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: somewhere that it just completely oppresses that space forever, and

562
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: that some of us can actually like take a bit

563
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: of that with us and it can physically and mentally

564
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: affect us, you know. So I you know, I don't

565
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: have an explanation or an answer. But I also feel

566
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 3: like too, if you're combat it with something you believe in,

567
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: like religion and going to church, if you believe in that,

568
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: that is how you get rid of that right right now?

569
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: How do you feel about people investigating there so often?

570
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: Do you think that is feeding into what's going on there?

571
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people walk away.

572
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: Just completely fine.

573
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: Others seem to have some pretty like life changing experiences.

574
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: What do you think that does to that house?

575
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: It absolutely feeds it. I mean I've seen it firsthand

576
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: at the twenty years I spent at the Axe House.

577
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: It absolutely fad that place. You know, the more people

578
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: come and do who knows what in the house that

579
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: they're not always super respectful investigators that go to these places.

580
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes a lot of times it's just people getting completely

581
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: wasted and doing who knows what in it most of

582
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: the time super respectful. But you know, the investigators that

583
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: I do know are super respectful. I'm not lumping everybody

584
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: into one thing, but bad things do happen from normal

585
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: people that go into these places, and I think it

586
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: just feeds it. And I mean we've all been in

587
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: relationships that are very oppressive and dark and draining doesn't

588
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: mean demons. It just people can be that, you know.

589
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: And I also think these places are like mirrors. They

590
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: just reflect back to you what you put into it.

591
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: If like at the Axous, if you think you're talking

592
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: to little kids, that's what you're going to get. If

593
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: you think the killers in the house, that's what you're

594
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: going to get. If you think this, that's what you're

595
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: going to get. You know, That's the one thing I've

596
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: learned throughout all these years and these locations is everybody

597
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: gets different things, vastly different things, day after day. You know,

598
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't really seem like a static type deal. But

599
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: getting back to your question, I mean absolutely people investigating

600
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: and going in and giving it energy, giving it time,

601
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: reacting to what happens. You know, the first thing I

602
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: learned in the field for residential hauntings is you know,

603
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: tell the client if something happens, don't overreact and go

604
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: crazy and oh my gosh, the door just slammed. Everybody, Look,

605
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: you know, you're just feeding it. Ignore it, Ignore it,

606
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: and it'll hopefully go away type thing.

607
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: It's like a bully.

608
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: When you stop giving them the reaction they want, you know,

609
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: and I think that's probably one of the reasons. Like

610
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: me as an investigator, it's very rare that I encounter

611
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: anything negative because I'm like the most cheerful ghost hunter

612
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 3: that's ever, you know, Like I walk into every place

613
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: laughing and giggling and like I would be the most

614
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 3: if I were like a mean ghost, I'd be so

615
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: annoyed with me.

616
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: So you come in that the ghosts is like, I'm

617
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: going to light her up, and it's like she's so nice.

618
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: Though it's my defense. Everyone's like, what do you do.

619
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, just don't care, just be nice. They don't

620
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: they want That's my solution to everything. Although I am

621
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: very I do want to visit the Sally House. I

622
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 3: am definitely going to try to make it in twenty

623
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 3: twenty five. And so now kind of circling back, you

624
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: you go back.

625
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 2: How long did it take you to go back? Why

626
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: did you go back?

627
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: Well, the initial time I went back maybe a few

628
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: months later, and that time it was the same thing,

629
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: very oppressive, very terrifying. I ended up leaving in the

630
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: middle of the night again. And in fact, there's a

631
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: popular ghost hunting show. I'm not going to say which one,

632
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: it is, but one of the cast members is in

633
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: the basement and they go to crawl inside the hole

634
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: in the basement in the wall. They step on a

635
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: little TV set to get in that hole. That's I

636
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: left that there. We were doing video iving. I left

637
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: all my gear there. It's like, I don't care, I'll

638
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: just buy more. I'm not going to the house ever again.

639
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: And so what was why what happened that time? It

640
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: was just the feeling or did an experience happen that

641
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: set you over the edge?

642
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: I mean there were experiences like I got shoved. I

643
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: was at the top of the stairs just standing and

644
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: I got shoved like almost down the steps, and I

645
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: braced myself on the railing. But then I'm like, well,

646
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: maybe I was locking my knees. You know, I'm trying

647
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: to debunk it my head and it happened again. But

648
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: stuff like that I can handle, like big deal, you

649
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: know it was. What I can't take is the mental manipulation.

650
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: Something bad is about to happen real soon that I

651
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: don't like. You know, So I left sore. I'd never

652
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: go back, ended up going back again.

653
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: You're good at keeping promises to yourself.

654
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: That's it. I don't. I don't like something beating me,

655
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: you know.

656
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: No, I told I would be the same way. Absolutely,

657
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: I can't do this.

658
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: I can't let this beat me. So I go down

659
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: again and I do this experiment down in the basement

660
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: on top of the pentagram and asked to do it

661
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: like light therapy. It's it's almost like the Estes method,

662
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: but it's with a light therapy, light getting to the

663
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: boring details, but creates like a tunnel inside your mind.

664
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: And I did it, and all of a sudden, all

665
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: I seen was the steps of the Volaska's murder house

666
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: and like boots walking up the steps. And I tried

667
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: to force it out of my mind. I'm like, you know,

668
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: that's just what you are used to keep an open mind,

669
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: and it kept going back to that. Well, then it

670
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: went into like the kids room and kind of alluded

671
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: to what happened there, and again I got super emotional,

672
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: like it's almost like I was feeling what the Morris

673
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: felt that night. It's terrified. I was emotional. I was sad. Guys.

674
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: I got to take a break, like this is too much,

675
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: So we go out front. It's about two in the

676
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: morning on a Tuesday. It's dark, it's foggy. It's one

677
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: of those just summer nights. Every time I've been to

678
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: the Sally House, you always get teenagers congregating out front.

679
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it just happens every single time. So we're

680
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: sitting there and also to see a figure emerge out

681
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: of the fog about a block away, and I'll look

682
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: to my buddy, I'm like, you know, weirdo coming up

683
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: behind you, you know, and it's a full blown Catholic

684
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: monk with the robe with the hood up and the

685
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: little rope tight around his waist, walks through us, does

686
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: not say a word, doesn't even look at us. As

687
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: soon as he passes the house, he does like the

688
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: sign of the Cross on his body and disappears into

689
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: the fog. And everybody's just like, uh what. And I'm like, guys,

690
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm out. They're like, oh, you can't leave. It's like,

691
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was, But do Catholic priests

692
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: just roam around and full regalia at two am on

693
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: a Tuesday? Like no, Like, you know, big guy, I

694
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: don't listen to you, but I'm listening tonight. So message

695
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: loud and clear.

696
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 3: Okay, So when you say walk through, you like walked

697
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 3: between you guys, are like literally walked for you?

698
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: Like, was this like a spiritual form or was this

699
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: a physical.

700
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: Person like between us, like a physical person? I'm assuming

701
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: he was real.

702
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 3: Oh so he's just on like Sally House duty or.

703
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I have no idea, Like I've never

704
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: seen anything like that in my life. Like he walked

705
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: up and one of us like, hey, how you doing?

706
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: And he didn't say anything, So he just kind of

707
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: moved out of his way, and that's when he did

708
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: the sign of the cross and kept walking and just

709
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: disappeared into the fog.

710
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: That's I wonder is there a place he would have

711
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: come from locally like that there?

712
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: Well, there's a it's a big Catholic college in that town.

713
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: But it was Ah. So we go to get coffee

714
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: earlier in that day, and this might have been what

715
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: explains it. We go to get coffee and school is

716
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: out for summer. The guy making coffee is a college

717
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: professor at the Catholic school. He's like, Oh, what are

718
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: you guys in town for. We're like, how this We're

719
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: staying at the Sally House. He goes, Ah, that's our

720
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: arch nemesis. So I don't know if he sent one

721
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: of his homeboys down to like give us a little

722
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: extra umph, like a little extra protection or what.

723
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, or maybe it's just so well known that

724
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: you know, maybe he was taking a midnight stroll and

725
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 3: like that's just what they do when they walk by it.

726
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: That's just their automatic response. I mean, that's just that's

727
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: a really wild story. And so you at that point

728
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: you're like, I'm done.

729
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like I don't know what that means,

730
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: but hanging around to find out, Like at some point,

731
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: if you're going to be stupid, you gotta be.

732
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, the universe only gives you so many signs and

733
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: you know, so okay, so now have you been back

734
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: since then?

735
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: I have not been back since then.

736
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And okay, that so just like point blank, like

737
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: what do you think is going on there?

738
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: I think there's some thing negative there, But I think

739
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: there's like where negative things happen, negative things are attracted to,

740
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: you know. I don't think it's the big D word, right,

741
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: And I personally would have nothing to do with it,

742
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that there'd be a lot

743
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: worse happening from there. I don't know, it's not the

744
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: Sally Ghost, right. But then I've talked to people that

745
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: have stayed the night there and oh it is boring.

746
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: Nothing happened.

747
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I mean, you know, I think

748
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 3: that happens at every punted location. I have to remind people.

749
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, they're not like there to perform for you,

750
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 3: Like some nights are great, some nights are quiet. That's

751
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: part of the part of the gig.

752
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: You know.

753
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: But you know, I just I find that that place

754
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 3: very interesting, just in the sense that, well, I trust

755
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: you implicitly with your information, you know, so it always

756
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: depends on where that kind of information is coming from

757
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: for me, and so I just find it very interesting.

758
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: Now can you imagine the people that lived there for

759
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: so long? Can you imagine living there on a daily basis?

760
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean just being immersed and marinating in

761
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: that anxiety and depression and darkness day after day after day,

762
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: like good grief. I couldn't imagine. And you know what's

763
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: interesting is the guy that lives next door. We were

764
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: on the back deck taking a break and that's where

765
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: we take breaks all night. He would just be his

766
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: lights would be on, and we weren't like speaking in

767
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: his windows, you know, but he can't help but to

768
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: notice when the lights are on and the middle of

769
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: the night and no curtains are drawn. He's just like

770
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: pacing through his house all night long, and like I'm

771
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: wonder and I wonder what's going on over there as well, right,

772
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, if this lady was practicing

773
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: a cult in black magic, she's just willing darkness into

774
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: that place, just kind of begging it to come, you

775
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: know whatever. Really, just faith you believe in about all

776
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: of that has its own form of evil, you know, right,

777
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: And if you're just sitting there like saying, hey, come

778
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: on whatever, come hang out, like and who knows what's

779
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: attached to other people that go there, who knows what

780
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: they do in the house.

781
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: You know.

782
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: There's a time at the X House. I go in

783
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: there and there's all these papers on the floor from

784
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: the overnights, and all of us junk on the floor,

785
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: and it's like, what is this? It is how to

786
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: summon a demon? Printed off the Internet? And I started laughing,

787
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I called up a friend of mine

788
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: because I'm not a huge specialist or expert, so I

789
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: called her up. I'm like, should I be worried about

790
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: this or is this just stupid? She goes, It's not

791
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: them doing it correctly or anything. It's the intent that

792
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: they had when they get in there.

793
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: With that, It's like, I'm a big I'm a big

794
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: believer in intention and you know, the energy that you are

795
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: asking for or putting off yourself, and you know, that

796
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 3: makes me wonder what the sallyas too?

797
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: Like is that just so many people walking.

798
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 3: In there with the intention of encountering something potentially evil,

799
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 3: and so you know, some people might be excited by that,

800
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: some people might be asking for it. Other people might

801
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 3: be so scared of that that they're like exuding this

802
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 3: kind of like nervous scared energy, you know. So it's

803
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's really interesting. I think a lot

804
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: of hauntings just come from us, to be honest, Yeah,

805
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 3: you know, or we or we affect them deeply, and yeah,

806
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: I'm really interested to get in there and kind of

807
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: feel that vibe.

808
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: I usually get. I meet a lot of new young

809
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: teams that come through Veleska, and I'm always excited to

810
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: see them because they're you know, seventeen eighteen just getting

811
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: in the field or so pumped over it and I

812
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: can impart what i've little I've learned over the last

813
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty years, you know, and they're like, oh,

814
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: we're going to the Sally House, Like, uh what okay, boys,

815
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: let's let's have a talk.

816
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: So okay, now, ending on that, this is your opportunity

817
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 3: to talk to those folks who want to go there.

818
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 3: What is your advice for people who want to go

819
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: to the Sally House? What? What would you tell them?

820
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: How would you tell them to handle that haunting? Or

821
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 3: would you just tell them.

822
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: Not to go?

823
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, first rule of ghost hunting is you got

824
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: to know when to call it. You got to know

825
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: when to stop and when it's clearly starting to become unsafe.

826
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: And if somebody starts getting weird, go take a break,

827
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: Go get a candy bar, Like it's all right. You'll

828
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: have to give it one hundred and twenty percent, you know,

829
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: watch each other's moods, Watch each other. If somebody starts

830
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: acting angry or outside of themselves how they would normally

831
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't act. You got a buddy watch and you got

832
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: to not be afraid to say, okay, no, we need

833
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: to leave. You know, who cares about the four hundred

834
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: bucks or whatever we threw down. I mean, is your

835
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: personal well being worth that? I wouldn't suggest it for

836
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: someone new, you know, cut your teeth on a few

837
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: other places at art so terrible.

838
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: Well, that's very sound advice. My advice to people is

839
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: if it starts getting weird, just start whistling a happy song,

840
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: because nothing bad can happen if you're whistling. That's my

841
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: that's my ghost, my ghost defense mechanism.

842
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of truth in that because, like

843
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, being at the Axe House for so long,

844
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: it's I've seen it affect me several times with like

845
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: when I was talking about the quick snippets of violent

846
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: acts and stuff. Whenever I get that anymore, I just

847
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: counteract it with a happy act. If I'm in a

848
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: bad make myself getting a hat like Yin and Yang.

849
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: There's truth to that.

850
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you force your self to smile, it automatically

851
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: like sends endorphins to like your body, and it instantly

852
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 3: lifts your.

853
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: Mood or wakes you up.

854
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: I spent years I'm a true true crime nerd, so

855
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: it's like all day long, I'm doing X House stuff

856
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: and then I uh watch forensic Files and then I'll

857
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: watch The Exorcist. And this year I've decided I'm just

858
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: going to watch Billy Madison and like funny and laugh.

859
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: That's what it's like to laugh a little bit. And

860
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, I.

861
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: Think that's a great idea. Yeah, you got you got

862
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: to counteract that.

863
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: Stuff exactly, take a break from it.

864
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: Well, awesome, Well, it was so great to talk to

865
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 3: you again. I hope our paths cross in person soon

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Speaker 3: and if I head back, if I head to the

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Speaker 3: Sally House, I'll let you know and let you know

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Speaker 3: what happens. But yeah, your your stories and everything you've

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Speaker 3: said today has just been so interesting and so compelling,

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Speaker 3: and I know that every no One's gonna love listening

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Speaker 3: as always. So thank you so much, Johnny. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I'll keep the Catholic Clergy on speed dial for you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Now that I've finished up my interview with Johnny, I

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Speaker 3: wanted to tell you a little story about something that

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Speaker 3: happened in my own house after our interview was complete.

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Speaker 3: I don't record Haunted Road in some big, fancy studio

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Speaker 3: or anything like that. I actually record Haunted Road in

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Speaker 3: my upstairs walk in closet. Because it's so filled with

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Speaker 3: clothes and clothing racks and whatnot that it dampens the

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Speaker 3: sound enough, and so it's the perfect spot. So I

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Speaker 3: have a music stand set up there, my scripts, my recorder,

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Speaker 3: all of that microphone, and that's where I record it.

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Speaker 3: And that whole setup is there always. And so I

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Speaker 3: recorded my interview with Johnny. I took my memory card

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Speaker 3: or SD card out of the recorder so I could

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Speaker 3: upload the interview for our producers from my office downstairs.

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Speaker 2: The next day, I went back in to do.

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Speaker 3: Some more recording for Haunted Road, and when I walked in,

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Speaker 3: my entire setup, my scripts, my recorder, my microphone, my

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Speaker 3: music stand, all of it was strewn.

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Speaker 2: About the room.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how that could have happened. This is

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Speaker 3: something that's just static and there, and that's never happened before.

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Speaker 3: I do have cats, but they are not allowed in

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Speaker 3: my closet ever, because if they go in there, they

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Speaker 3: can actually get in between the floors of my house

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Speaker 3: and get stuck. So we're very strict about letting them

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Speaker 3: in there. I have a three hundred year old house,

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Speaker 3: and I didn't hear anything, and so I don't know

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Speaker 3: what could have caused that. I diligently just kind of

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Speaker 3: picked everything up and carried about my day. But I'm

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Speaker 3: asking you, Haunted roadies, what do you think. Do you

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Speaker 3: think something came through somehow with my interview with Johnny

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Speaker 3: or do you think in my three hundred year old

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Speaker 3: house something about that interview stirred something up within my

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Speaker 3: own home.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'll keep you posted if anything else happens, but I

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Speaker 3: thought it was interesting and I want to to give

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Speaker 3: you that follow up. There are so many questions that

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Speaker 3: we'll never know the answers to what happens to us

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Speaker 3: after we die, what other kinds of beings share this

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Speaker 3: world with us? And what is the nature of the

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Speaker 3: spirits that dwell in the Sally House. But even if

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Speaker 3: we can't find one definitive explanation, the fact that we're

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Speaker 3: asking these questions at all still matters. It's human nature

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Speaker 3: to wonder about the world around us, and that may

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Speaker 3: be why the Sally House holds so much fascination. I'm

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Speaker 3: Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is

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Speaker 3: a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Miles from Air

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Speaker 3: and Minky. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me

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Speaker 3: Amy Brune, with additional research by Cassandra de Alba. This

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Speaker 3: show is edited and produced by supervising producer Rima El Kali,

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Speaker 3: with executive producers Aaron Manke, Trevor Young, and Matt Frederick.

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Speaker 3: Learn more about this show over at grimanmild dot com,

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