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Speaker 1: So hello, everybody. Condue to a scheduling mix up in

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Speaker 1: put that for a future episode featuring Cocoa and Kim,

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Speaker 1: who are fantastic, amazing about sex and gender based silence

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Speaker 1: Coco on her resume had an a line item that

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Speaker 1: said underwater helicopter escape training. I'm not messing with that.

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Speaker 1: Let me She's definitely gonna survive any of the scenarios

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Speaker 1: But today we are talking with Helen Perry, who is

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Speaker 1: the executive director of Global Response Management, and Helen is

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Speaker 1: also amazing. She is running a project in Matamorrow's, Mexico.

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Speaker 1: For those not familiar, this is town of half a

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Speaker 1: address the long term needs of mental and psychologic the support.

431
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: But we've done a couple of things that created women's

432
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: groups that meet every Friday so that women can just

433
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, kind of gather and talk about whatever it

434
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: is that they want to talk about, you know, sort

435
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: of freeforming and and sort of free flowing for them

436
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: to kind of they can addrest issues. They can just

437
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: sit there and listen to music and have some coffee.

438
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: They can you know, do whatever kind of thing, just

439
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: have that little bit of normality in their life. We've

440
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: also started addressing the psychological support for kids. So often

441
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: in humanitarian situations and in disaster situation, you know, people

442
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: will see these kids, you know, outplaying, and they look like,

443
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: aren't they're well, you know, look at them just being kids.

444
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: Isn't that so great? And like in reality, like these

445
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: kids have experienced unimaginable levels of trauma that like, yeah, okay,

446
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: it may not be like impacting them right now, but

447
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: like wait until they're twenty five and they're a heroin addict,

448
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: because you know, they've had this unimaginable childhood trauma that

449
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: just never got dealt with. So, um, we actually started

450
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: a child safe space where we have I mean, it's

451
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: just it's like a little playroom. They've got some toys,

452
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: they've got some some bright colors, the Friendly Face pick

453
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: up books, and they can go in and just kind

454
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: of be kids for like Tedter fifteen minutes today, um,

455
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: and kind of have that separation. So well, I wonder

456
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: how normal this is to them, Like all that trauma

457
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: that we see that we know is bad and it's

458
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: going to affect them. They're like, well, this is a

459
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: normal day, So this is a part of my childhood.

460
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and play here and be assaulted here.

461
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: And they just kind of move on, not realizing this

462
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: is not normal and it shouldn't be normal for you.

463
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so I mean, like there was

464
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: a one little girl, Andrea and I, um, one of

465
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: the awesome people that I work with, We were walking

466
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: in the camp and these little girls came up to

467
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: us and we were just chatting with them, and we

468
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: were like, oh, you know, like why why did you come?

469
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: Like why are you here, and she said, oh yeah,

470
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: and she said it, Oh my god. She said it

471
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: like it was this was just an average day. She goes, oh,

472
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, because my cousin's got machette, you know where

473
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: they get where they get hacked up. Do you want

474
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: to see pictures? And I really like, oh my god, no,

475
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: like we do not want to see pictures. And then

476
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: she was like, well, do you want to see my barbies?

477
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: And we're like, yeah, show show us the barbies. I mean,

478
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean, just so, I mean, these poor kids are

479
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: just going to grow up work like I'm imaginable trauma

480
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: because of what they've had in their childhood. It's just

481
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: unreal and they think that's the norm. That's just it

482
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: was heartbreaking part of the whole situation that it is.

483
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, someone got murdered in my family. Hey

484
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: you want to see my barbie? And it goes hand

485
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: in hand for them as childhood, Like that's the most

486
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: unfortunate part. And I feel like oftentimes, especially with the

487
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: climate today, when we're talking about politics, they take their

488
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: normalcy so them not maybe overreacting and being traumatized. We

489
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: see in Hallmark movies and or in the U s alone,

490
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: maybe that that's they're fine. See, they're great, They're okay,

491
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: they can cope where they are, instead of saying, no,

492
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: this is a problem for all of us as humans

493
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: and we need to see how wrong this is. Yeah,

494
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just insane to me that that

495
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: this has become sort of the acceptable norms. You know,

496
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: everybody was so outraged by family separation, you know, but

497
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: like it's it's we haven't seen that same level of

498
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: outrage the MPP has gone into effect and since and

499
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: since a p A has gone into effect, and speaking

500
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: of that, I know you've touched on it a little

501
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: bit and how it's changing. But when when refugees arrive,

502
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: what happens next? Like what in theory is supposed to happen? Yeah,

503
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: can you give us a route of what happens when

504
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: they are their dreams are dashed essentially, or when they're

505
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: actually a possibility that they could be sent to a

506
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: safe space. Yeah, So, so what should happen is that

507
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: they get allowed into the United States to wait for

508
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: the appropriate asylum hearings in apport, you know that they

509
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: have representation and a lawyer and all this kind of stuff.

510
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: Stuff was supposed to happen after the AHA went into effect.

511
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: They went into effect in November. Now what happens is

512
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: when anybody finally reaches the US Mexico border and they

513
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: present to apport an entry to ask for asylum. First

514
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: of all, um, there are very specific words that they

515
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: have to say in a very specific order. It's almost

516
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: like the magic words. The set of words and the

517
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: order in which those worth he said, actually constantly changes.

518
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: The VP changes the requirement quite frequently too, regardless of

519
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: the fact that somebody is trying to tell you that

520
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: they fear for their lives. Uh. If they don't specifically

521
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: say those words I fear for my life if I

522
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: go back to X, Y, and Z, that doesn't count

523
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: as as an appeal for asylum. If they don't specifically

524
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: ask for asylum, if they say I want to be

525
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: safe in the United States, that doesn't count. They have

526
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: to say I want asylum in the United States. They

527
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: can't say if I go home, I'm going to be

528
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: tortured and they're gonna kill me. They have to say,

529
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: if I go home, I'm afraid that I will be killed. Um.

530
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: And then not only that, but then they actually have

531
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: to know who's going to do it, Like the US

532
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: has actually put the burden of proof on these people

533
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: to prove that they will be persecuted and killed, right, Like,

534
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: how do you prove that somebody's gonna kill you? Like,

535
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I mean. Like our our

536
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: friend Ray actually got asylum from Cuba. He was having

537
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: issues because he came out of being gay and when

538
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: he went in for his questioning with CDP, they said, well,

539
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: how do we know you're gay? And I was like, right,

540
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: how did you prove that? And he was like he

541
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: was like you know, And I was like, hey, listen,

542
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: no judgment, whatever you gotta do, you know, like I'm

543
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: happy for you. That is so debasing just to have

544
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: to say, oh, let me prove what is being persecuted,

545
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: like my persecution essentially to you in the most meaning

546
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: way I can think of, because you have to have proof, right.

547
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because I mean, the thing I mean,

548
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: the story to get me here out of court became

549
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: of these the individuals were told are just insane, you know,

550
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: things like well, I'm sorry you were kidnapped, but it

551
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like you were tortured enough to qualify for asylum,

552
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: Like what like I mean, and these are like this

553
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: is legitimate, like this is what they're being told is

554
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry your child was killed. Because you don't

555
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: have pictures of his charred body being taken out of

556
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: the tree, you actually can't prove his death and therefore

557
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: you don't qualify for a stylum. Just just insane thing.

558
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: So so now what's actually happening is that when they

559
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: get to the border and they don't say their special

560
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: magic words, they're actually being immediately deported as as being

561
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 1: at the border without an appropriate beat the documentation. They

562
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: actually say the right magic words in the right order,

563
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: then creaking in and that's when USL and Cooperative Agreement

564
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: otherwise called ADA, that's when a CI takes effect. And

565
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: what happens is they're immediately taken into custody to these

566
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: detention centers and from there there they have no du process.

567
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: They're not allowed to they're not allowed to make a

568
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: phone call, they're not allowed to call a lawyer, they're

569
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: not allowed to talk with anyone um. The detention centers

570
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: actually use known forms of torture. They're not fun places

571
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: to be. They keep the ambient temperatures of the room

572
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: unnaturally cold, but around sixty degrees. They're not allowed to

573
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: go jackets. They're not get to a blanket or than

574
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: the mile are sheets and their blankets. They're not allowed

575
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: to wear shoes. The lights are kept on twenty four

576
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: hours a day. The led lights that they use actually

577
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: make an audible hump that you can actually hear, like

578
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: and it's the as like Chinese water torture. They're not

579
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: provided with that's to sleep on. They're not allowed to

580
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: touch or talk to any of the other people surrounding them.

581
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: They are quite literally kept in Shaneley cages. Um. Like,

582
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: these are all very similar tactics that are used on

583
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: the international circuit for like interrogating terrorists. And we're viewing

584
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: this to children and and like pregnant women. I mean

585
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: that is just like to me, like I'm just like,

586
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, like we are still lost in our

587
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: priorities here. So when they get to detention, uh, they're

588
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: not allowed your phone call, they're basically sort of the

589
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: qustered off and then they're immediately turned around and put

590
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: on a flight to Guatemala. And they're not told that

591
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: they're going to Guatemala. We found this out recently because

592
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: the contract in Guatemala that we've been coordinating with UM,

593
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: they're also not told that they can apply for a

594
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: style wom in Guatemala. To imagine that you've just made

595
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: this horrible forty five day journey, you know, from your

596
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: home where somebody has statened to kill you or maybe

597
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: just killed all of your family or killed your children,

598
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: and you finally make it to the United States and

599
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: you say the right magic words in the right word,

600
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: and you have all of your proofs in hand, only

601
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: to then be put on a flight and flown basically

602
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: we're right black to where you came from. Yeah, that's horrific.

603
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: That's like the most awful gaming of the system to

604
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, yeah, here's this opportunity. Here, we

605
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: have this chance for you, and then really it's rigged.

606
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. I mean the entire system that we

607
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: have right now is set up to discriminate against anyone

608
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: coming to the United States under the status of asylum

609
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: or or refugees. And I think that that, you know,

610
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: we in the ninth New forties, we turned away Jews

611
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: who were fleeing from Germany and Poland and France. As

612
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, the Nazi regime was you know, capturing entertaining people,

613
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: and history does not look kindly back on that, you know.

614
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: I think I think everyone can look back at our

615
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: history and say, you know, that was a gross mistake

616
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: on our part. We should never have done that. We

617
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: should have we should have stuffed up and taking care

618
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: of these people and provided them, you know, with safety

619
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: and with refuge. And yet here we are doing the

620
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: exact same things again, and it's like we haven't learned

621
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: our lesson, you know, and that's unfortunate. Very yeah. Yeah.

622
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about on the Statue of Liberty what

623
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: it says, and and the fact that the president was like,

624
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm willing to change it. God, I'm just I'm just

625
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm just right now, I'm a little paul. I'm trying

626
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: to shake it all a little bit. I'm going to

627
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: take a deep breath. And I can't imagine you're seeing

628
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: this every damn day. How do you keep And we're

629
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: gonna come back to but I just got to know,

630
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: how do you keep yourself saying in this because just

631
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: hearing this and I again like in my field, I

632
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: only worked with kids who were in the state and

633
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: in the state of Georgia, and we had a few

634
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: refugees with us, and we had a few that were

635
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: on visas, and I had to try my best to

636
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'm so sorry, but you might not

637
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: want to want to ask for this kind of help

638
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: right now, because this kind of help make it you deported,

639
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: And like being heartbroke and just being able having to

640
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: tell them that with that small fear of them being deported,

641
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: I can't imagine being in an area where they're being

642
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: told daily, yeah, no, your trauma is not good enough

643
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: for you to go find safety and haven in a

644
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: place that could offer that for you. How do you

645
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: deal with all that? I mean, I think for me

646
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: is I don't know. You know, everybody had out of

647
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: their own, their own way of dealing with things. Um,

648
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, this is definitely a very different type of

649
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: trauma than we experience, like in a rock you know,

650
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: where we were seeing ben shout wounds and blast injuries

651
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: and so and you know, and you sort of have

652
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: this like compartment movation and that sort of takes over

653
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: and you just sort of shove your emotions deep down

654
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: into the pits of your gallbladder and hope that you

655
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: don't ever see them again, because this is different because

656
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, you like, we know these families, you know,

657
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: we've known them over the course of months, and they

658
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: see them and their kids and all this kind of stuff,

659
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: and so you know, I have a really highly paid therapist. Um.

660
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: I think that that's like step one is sort of

661
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: acknowledging your trauma and being like, you know, if this

662
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: isn't screwing me up, it probably should be. And so

663
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which is more of a problem. It's like,

664
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, so I think also it would be a

665
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: lot harder for me it wasn't doing something. I think

666
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: it was harder to talent if I if I wasn't

667
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: actively taking action and working to help these people in

668
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: some way. And you know, when I talk to people,

669
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I tell people then, like listen,

670
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm a thirty two year old blonde chick from Florida.

671
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: That's like running a refuge. You camp at the border

672
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: for bol Like, don't tell me that you're not capable

673
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: of making some kind of change, Like I've wrong with you.

674
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: There's put you to work, you know. And I think

675
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: the hard thing for a lot of Americans, like you know,

676
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: I think we look around currently in the state of

677
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: affairs in our country, and like this is totally like

678
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: my own personal rant and not the rant of the organization,

679
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: but like, you know, like we we look around and

680
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: like we see all these things happening, right, Like we're

681
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: seeing all these injustices against people of color and you know,

682
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community, and you know, all of these terrible

683
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: things that are happening. And I think so many people

684
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: feel helpless to do anything about it because they think,

685
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm you know, I'm just a thirty

686
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: two year old blondet in Florida. Like I can't change

687
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: national policy. I can't help thirty refugees as the porter,

688
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: Like what am I going to do? I'm just one person.

689
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: And I think that people have been brainwashed to believe

690
00:38:54,520 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: that because you absolutely can change. Like listen in a

691
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: thirty two year old to check from Florida, and I'm

692
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: running a camp for people and I'm keeping them alive

693
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Like I promise you there is

694
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: something you can do, and if we all just do

695
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: that one thing, regardless of whether it's you know, the

696
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: border crisis or you know, you know first and thement

697
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: rate at castle a person then or right for or

698
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, working to improve policing policies to ensure that

699
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: they're equitable and that they're you know, not targeting people

700
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: of color unjustly. You know, whatever it is that you

701
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: use to put your energy into, Like I promise you

702
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: can do something about this. You can literally just have

703
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: to do it. That's it. I think if we I

704
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: think people feel so much differently about it, if they

705
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: would just start getting to work, you know, that's kind

706
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and that's that's a great message for

707
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 1: our listeners are really awesome, um and they love having

708
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: those things like what can I do? Because they want

709
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: to help. And I feel the same way, like I

710
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: of I love that whole idea of just you can

711
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: find something right, there is something for you that you

712
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: can help. Yeah, you know, even if it's going out

713
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: in your front yard every day and holding a sign

714
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: you know that says slow down in my neighborhood, you know,

715
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: like whatever it is, Like there's it's the inaction that

716
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: we have right now that's just paralyzing us as a

717
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: nation because we expect the government to do it. And

718
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: like I'll be honest with you, I am really tired

719
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: of waiting for the government to show up in the

720
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: fixed problems right like their track records. So far, it's

721
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: also has been terrible, pretty terrible if you look at

722
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: the War on homelessness, the War on drugs, like any

723
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: of the wars on that they created have all it

724
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: did and pretty chasteepic policy. Um So I was like,

725
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: you know what, they're not going to do it. Fine,

726
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: I will, you know, I'll figure it out. And that's

727
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: something we hear a lot when we talk to when

728
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: we have people on the show, and also when we

729
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: research woment of the past that have done something, is

730
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: like seeing, well, no one else is doing it, I'm

731
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: just going have to do it right. Yeah, yeah, I

732
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: did want to ask about the state what the locals

733
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: they're like, how, how is that situation? How are they

734
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: handling this? So this is a lot of unfortunately sort

735
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: of systemic biases and Central and South America again other countries.

736
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: In Mexico specifically, there's a lot of resentment towards Central

737
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: and South Americans who are coming up and in Motimoral

738
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: that resentment has kind of build over into the community

739
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: and so it's controversial and it's not black like you

740
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: saw this in Bangladesh as well. You know, imagine that

741
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: you and your family, you know, it's been living in

742
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: this country for years, and by this country and New Mexico,

743
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, like you're starving and

744
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: you don't have access in that of than and you're

745
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: impoverished and all these kinds of things. And then imagine

746
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: that like these other groups of people show up and

747
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: like they're all so pretty bad off, but like they

748
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: get help and you don't. You know, that's not always fair,

749
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: and so it creates a lot of resentment in a

750
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: lot of communities. And so one of the ways that

751
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: we try to address that is that as an organization,

752
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: we see everybody. We don't turn away. We've had locals

753
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: from the community come and see us for free access

754
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: to medical care, and we see them just the same

755
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: as we would see someone who was living in the camp.

756
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: And we've tried to be you know, good terrors and

757
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: that we try to take care of the area that

758
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: we're in and keep it clean and keep it nice,

759
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: and and that's something that you know, we've we've worked

760
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: very hard to to try and keep up. So you know,

761
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that that that sentiment starts to change. But

762
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: I mean, for many of those people, they're they're in

763
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: equally terrible situation, and so, you know, it's very challenging.

764
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: You've already touched on some some of the ways that

765
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: women are specifically being impacted, wondering if there if you

766
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: have any other insight, have you seen patterns? Are are

767
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: just things that are specific to women in this whole situation. Yeah,

768
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: you had mentioned about the fact that the women and children.

769
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: You think there's obvious signs of trafficking happening within the

770
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: camps as well, and that no one's necessarily safe just

771
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: because they're there. What exactly is the impact? What is

772
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: the level um that's happening. Yeah, I mean I think

773
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, we know spetistically speaking that in areas of

774
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: conflicts of war, that women and children are far more

775
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: likely to experience the negative impact, that that they're more

776
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: likely to be economically underserved, the more ready to have,

777
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, less access to human try and resources. They're

778
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: more likely to be targeted, you know, for things like

779
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: trafficking and and acts of violence and things like that. Um,

780
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: and in general, there's just more vulnerable population. I think

781
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: that the biggest issue that may have is that because

782
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: like we just don't know how bad they're being targeted.

783
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: You know, we don't know how bad the situation really

784
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: is because the responses being coordinated and funded at the

785
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: private level, which is like, by the way, unheard of, right, Like,

786
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: humanitarian responses are generally funded by the u N or

787
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: by the countries that are experiencing these crisis and we're

788
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: talking about in millions of dollars, you know, hundreds of

789
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: millions of dollars range that's not happening, and not the lotos,

790
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: and it's not happening all along the border. These are

791
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: all privately funded responsive and because of that, we lack

792
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: the resources to really fully understand how these women are

793
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: are being and how like the LGBTQ community that's there

794
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: is really being impacted. And so that's something that we're

795
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: likely not going to know the full results of for years,

796
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 1: you know, I guess sort of related and you definitely

797
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: already touched on this a little bit with regards to

798
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: um calling people migrants when we should be using the

799
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: term refugees. What do you think the media gets wrong

800
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: in reporting this and what do you wish the general

801
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: public would take away from this conversation. Yeah, so simag

802
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: thing is parking on on the terminology, right, like the

803
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: migrants versus refugees, And then you know people will get

804
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: into the whole like well or technically asylum speakers, they

805
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: can't be a refugee until they've had an asylum process.

806
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: And and my my spainents that is, you know, we're

807
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: not calling experience who are fleeing THEIA lence, you know,

808
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: like we just kind of give them the credit of

809
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: their situation and say refugee. So you know, the semantics

810
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: for that really kind of as frustrating. I think one

811
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: of the things that has not been well reported in

812
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: mstimoreal specific is like just how terrible these conditions are.

813
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: I mean, some of these people have been living in

814
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: this camp since July of last year. They're going through

815
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: extremes in temperature, I mean just incredibly hot, you know,

816
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: hundred less degree days, rain, you know, all of the

817
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: terrible you know, like imagine a camping trip that just

818
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: never ends, you know. I once sort of jokingly described

819
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: it as like the worst music festival you've ever been to,

820
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: where it's like the last day, all the fun drugs

821
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: are gone, there's you know, human species everywhere. The bathrooms

822
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: are overflowing, there's no food, and it's raining, and everybody's miserable,

823
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: you know, and and like they're living in this every day.

824
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: And I think that when media comes in and they

825
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: started to these lacks, you know, like we're gonna get

826
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: our fifteen minutes footage and then we're out, they're sort

827
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: of missing, like yeah, like you go over for fifteen

828
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: minutes and it's like not so bad. You know, you're

829
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: there a day or two or three or whatever, and

830
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, it feels okay. It feels like you

831
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: get back to your hotel with your air conditioning at night,

832
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: nearly cool beat you know, in a long day. Right,

833
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: But like there are people who don't leave that situation.

834
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: They have nowhere to go, they have no reprieve. And

835
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: imagine doing that months on end, and then imagine that

836
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: like your alternative is like if you get sent back home,

837
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: you're at a dock. I mean, Human Rights Watch just

838
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: followed two hundred El Salvadorians back to El Salvador but

839
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: been deported from the United States, either for failed asylum

840
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: planes or for just regular deportation for being a documented

841
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: in the country and within the first year, a hundred

842
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: and thirty eight of them were murders. The other sixty

843
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: two of them had either experienced extortions, torture, kidnap, or

844
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: some type of other physical abuse that put their life

845
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: at risk. And we're sending people back by this album,

846
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: you know. And I think the other thing that that

847
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: really getsmissed is like just how terrible the conditions are

848
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: and how bad the safety situation is in a lot

849
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: of these countries. I think that we have sort of,

850
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, the media has sort of put this focus

851
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: on people who are coming here as quote, you know, migrants,

852
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: like meaning they're just looking for better jobs, and in reality,

853
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: it's like cleaning that kind of violence. It does not

854
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: make you a migrant, it makes you a refugee. Yeah.

855
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: And to have it, as you said, so close to

856
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: our border, like it's just happening, it's just right there.

857
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: So what do you foresee in the future, both for

858
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: this project and for yourself, what are you hoping will happen?

859
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: So we're planning to be in the camp and Nottamortals

860
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: until probably about August for sort of anticipating that as

861
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: sort of stuck in in third cases get hurt in court,

862
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: people are either going to get you know, admitted of

863
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: the d through the silent process, or they will get

864
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: supported because they'll they are silence process will have failed.

865
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: Now that a c A has gotten into effect, we

866
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: are already anticipating the need for a medical response in

867
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: guatemala Um, and we're in the early phases of doing

868
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: some investigation and figuring out where people are going and

869
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: how we can help and to provide them with whatever

870
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: support and resources that they need. And so I think

871
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: along with that, the other goal that we have as

872
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: an organization is really to start engaging the community around us,

873
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: all of those people out there who are like snealing,

874
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: who are we helpless and listening to these terrible stories

875
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: and saying, oh my god, someone should help them like

876
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: that the listen is you, you know that person with me, right,

877
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: and so like we need you know, as an organizations,

878
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: we need help in all areas. We need accounting help,

879
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: logistics help. You know, I need people who can translate

880
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: documents into Spanish. I need people who can translate documents

881
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: into French. Like I promised you, people have a skill

882
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: that we can put to work. And if we would

883
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: all just collectively together stand up and get to work.

884
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: These problems would start to get sick, right like we

885
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: would start to see solutions and so so yeah, I

886
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: mean I think that's the other goal is that you know,

887
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: hopefully when we do these kinds of outreach, that we

888
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: can continue to motivate people to get engaged, you know,

889
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: to start taking action because you know, I don't you

890
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: know if you can't if you've got a family and

891
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: kids and a job and all that kind of stuff

892
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: and you can't drop everything and had the guara milo

893
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: with us, like I got it, but like, you know,

894
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: can you can you really share a social media posts?

895
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's a simple click, you know. Can you um,

896
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, take take an hour out of your weekend

897
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: to help us that volunteers to go down and work.

898
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: I mean that's the simple too here. You know, there's

899
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: all these simple things that people could do that ultimately

900
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: still results in the end goal. And that's you know,

901
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: that's what we're hoping to do is inspire a whole

902
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: a whole nation of do who just stood out there

903
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: and start getting the work. I love it. Yeah, I

904
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: just gave Annial early whistful look. Thank you so much

905
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: for sharing all of this. It makes me hopeful to

906
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: hear people fighting to make this. And you were talking

907
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: about all amazing things that people can get involved in,

908
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: all the things that you might need as an organization.

909
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: What specifically, how specifically can our listeners jump on board

910
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: to be a part of that? Where can we find you?

911
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: Where can they go? Look? So we're on uh, we're

912
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: on Facebook, Spacebook, dot com, slash Forward Response Management. You

913
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: can also find us on our website which is Global

914
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: dash Response dot org. And if you go onto our

915
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: web page, you'll see in the operating corner and there's

916
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: actually a link that says take action and that will

917
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: take you to the volunteer page, to donate page. You know,

918
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you about, you know, donating medical supplies,

919
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things. And so that's the easiest nighters. Also, um,

920
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: if you run a business, then you do cool technology stuff.

921
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: You know, there's a link on there to send an

922
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: email to us to talk about doing partnerships with us.

923
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: One way is that we're able to go and do

924
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: what we do so successfully is that we we rely

925
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: heavily on innovation and technology so that we're working smarter

926
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: and not harder in these areas. And so we have

927
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: cool partnership that we've started with other with other organizations

928
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: and Josh, so if you run a cool business and

929
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: you're innovative and and sort of in that field, you know,

930
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: you can also hit a stup that way. So those

931
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: are the and then we're also on Instagram Global dot Response,

932
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: UM you can follow our work and and sort of

933
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: see what we're doing all over the world. So um,

934
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: you know, the easiest dot is way for people to

935
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: donate is to just kick us five buck or you know,

936
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: to get involved. You know, money makes the world go around,

937
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: and we have to pay for everything from medical supplies

938
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: and equipment to country registrations to you know, travel for

939
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: for key individuals who are flying out to run projects

940
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: and and do you know, humanitarian monitoring assessment and things

941
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: like that. So it's simple as a couple of clicks

942
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: that it's Global dash Response dot org slash donate UM

943
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: and they'll take you right to the spot. And you know,

944
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: we're a five oh one C three so it's all

945
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: tax deductible. And then you know, just spreading the word

946
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: and telling your friends and following the work that we're

947
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: doing and every time you see like great works, like

948
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: it's simple as like hitting share and just being like, hey, like,

949
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: look at what these great people are doing. I think

950
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: we're great. I'm biased, um, you know, like look at

951
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: look at what they're doing and how they're changing the world,

952
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: and isn't this awesome? And I mean that's honestly how

953
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: we've gotten where we've been. It's just word of mouth

954
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 1: about you know, people who have been, you know, impressed

955
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: with our work. And then obviously I always tell people

956
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: that if you have rich answer uncles. I don't have them,

957
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: but if you do, we want to meet them, because

958
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: that's how that's how we keep you know, keep organizations running,

959
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: is people. It is very wonderful a chance to don

960
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: fees and uncle's you know, contributing to our efforts and

961
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: things like that. So so that's the easiest way for

962
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: for people to get involved. And then you know, shooting

963
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 1: the emails and figuring out how you can get involved

964
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: to help with all of the other things. We can

965
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: do that too. I love that go bother you're rich

966
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: and uncle's official perfect. I keep asking my family. I'm like,

967
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: so like who's gonna marry? Like who've gonna because like,

968
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, like good for Like yeah, I was like,

969
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: you guys are good for like you know, Christmas time.

970
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: But like, come on, who's I need? I need someone

971
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: to take one for the team and like marry into

972
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: like the Rockefellers or something. Now this simple thank you

973
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: guys for the opportunity to talk about our work. You know,

974
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: we're we're always excited to share what we're doing with people,

975
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: and I'm always eager to motivate people out there to

976
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: to take action and to get involved. I mean I

977
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: tell people frequently like I I am a basic white girl, right,

978
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: Like I love my leggings and my and my Starbucks

979
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: and my like I am nothing special, you know, like

980
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: other than I just I figured out that I got

981
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: tired of waiting for the government to solve our problems

982
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: and I just got to work. I mean, that's the

983
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: only that's that that's the only thing about me that

984
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: that's maybe a little bit different, and so um, I

985
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: always I always look for those opportunities to courage and

986
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: and sort of motivate other people to get out there

987
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: and really start making change, because that's that's the only

988
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: way that that we're going to actually start seeing this

989
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: change that we're looking for, believing for our country. That

990
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: brings us to the end of our interview. But we

991
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: do have a little bit more for you listeners. But

992
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: first we have one more quick break for work fromer

993
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Speaker 1: sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor. So we know

994
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: that a lot of that was probably not easy to hear,

995
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: but so so necessary. And also I love and talking

996
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: to Helen. She just had this this outlook of you

997
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: can make a difference, you can make a change, So

998
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: be sure to check out all of the things she mentioned.

999
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,959
Speaker 1: If this is something that you found impactful or something

1000
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: you want to be involved in. In the meantime, you

1001
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: can look out for our episode with Cocoa and Kim

1002
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks. It is coming, it did happen,

1003
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: And you can also check out our book of the

1004
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: month for Feminist Book Club. It is Ash by Melinda Lowe,

1005
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: which had the tenth anniversary last year, so we're excited

1006
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: to revisit it. Yes, yes, for those who don't know,

1007
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: it is a retelling of a popular fairy tale. I

1008
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: don't really want to spoil it, but you should get

1009
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: in on this book club. I already posted it up

1010
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: on our social media, and I've already had a couple

1011
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: of comments on it, so you know people are interested.

1012
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm excited, yes, And I'm also excited about our movie

1013
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: pick of this month, A Girl Walks Home Alone at night.

1014
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: If you want to follow along with that, I believe

1015
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: it's still on Netflix. If not, sorry about it. But

1016
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: it's really good and it's sort of like a It's

1017
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: not a horror movie. I wouldn't label it that way. Um,

1018
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: it does have to deal with vampires. It does a vampire,

1019
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: it does have some vengeance, it has some vengeance, it

1020
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: has some violence. I just I wouldn't call it a horror,

1021
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: but it's very cinematic for sure. It is very cinematic. Um.

1022
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: And if you have any ideas for what should be

1023
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: in next month's book pick or movie pick, you can

1024
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: send them to us. All right. Email is Stuff Media

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00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. You can find

1026
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: us on Twitter, app, Mom Stuff Podcast, or on Instagram

1027
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: at Stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks as always to you,

1028
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: our super producer, Andrew Howard, thank you. Thanks to our

1029
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: interviewee Fillen Perry, thank you, and thanks to you for

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Speaker 1: listening Stuff I've Never Told Your protection of i heart

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