Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why? Oh? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding
Speaker 1: Lost feeling pretty pretty whimsical about this one. This is
Speaker 1: an episode of whimsy. I would think, you know, we
Speaker 1: were just in a group chat that was exhumed from
Speaker 1: the grave. Oh, let's talk about it, Okay, this little
Speaker 1: tadbit so yeah. Yeah. John Michael, who is Joe k
Speaker 1: and Bistr's boyfriend, was I guess at a function with
Speaker 1: Joel and one of the co writers of the first
Speaker 1: Scary Movie, approached them both and basically the sparks to
Speaker 1: debate among the group chat of which of the movies
Speaker 1: are good? And someone posited, not even necessarily in the
Speaker 1: group chat, but someone positive that one is the only
Speaker 1: good one and the rest are flop and I we
Speaker 1: have to vehemently take a stance on this program Lost
Speaker 1: Cultures and say that is so deeply untrue. I feel
Speaker 1: that I have first volve. We've talked about na we
Speaker 1: are it's it's cannon on this podcast. That Scary Movie three,
Speaker 1: which is of course not the first but second sequel,
Speaker 1: which is how you know a franchise is a huge
Speaker 1: success when it has more than one secreel. That's a
Speaker 1: rule of culture number four. Team. When a movie has
Speaker 1: that is how you know it's a huge success. And
Speaker 1: Scary Movie three is the funniest film of all time.
Speaker 1: It has And you said that, you did say it
Speaker 1: to find a generation. I'm not even kidding. I'm dead
Speaker 1: ass about this. My ass is so dead from knowing this.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you why I'm upset? I'm upset today
Speaker 1: because and and it's debilitating. Yeah, I have debilitating sadness today,
Speaker 1: as you can hear in my voice, because I won't
Speaker 1: be with you on Thursday at nine pm Pacific Standard time,
Speaker 1: when Midnights goes live. Where where will you be? Okay,
Speaker 1: get this, I'll be at hollow and Horror Knight's absolutely
Speaker 1: screaming and terror running from hired actors in masks and
Speaker 1: and spooky garb. Weapons. Weapons. First of all, explain this
Speaker 1: physics to me. Don't don't give these actors weapons. They
Speaker 1: have weapons, they have blunt objects. And here's the thing,
Speaker 1: this has really happened to me. This was really really
Speaker 1: happened when I went to Universal Studios, Florida, Orlando, get
Speaker 1: into it. There. I went into an American horror story
Speaker 1: themed themed, and a woman who could only be described
Speaker 1: as Angela Bassett took a knife. She took a knife
Speaker 1: and did this to me bowen, Oh my gosh, she
Speaker 1: tried to hit me. And I was like you and
Speaker 1: as like Angela, I've been a fan, I've been a
Speaker 1: huge supporter. You don't want it to end like this.
Speaker 1: You don't want defend myself. And then not only that,
Speaker 1: but they were easily seven to ten. Lady Gaga was
Speaker 1: running around sort of not really trying to strike you,
Speaker 1: but more posing, which I felt was of course, how
Speaker 1: many how many Shyanne Jackson's, Evan Peters, you know, Billy
Speaker 1: Eichner's were there? Oh well, I didn't see any of them.
Speaker 1: But maybe that's because and this is what my theory is,
Speaker 1: that that was really Angela in there. So you thought
Speaker 1: Angela was in Orlando try to stab you. First of all,
Speaker 1: she's an actress of the stage. This is a great stage.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, first of all, can I say something
Speaker 1: to you, don't limit lesbianism. I'm not doing such a thing.
Speaker 1: You did such a I have doubts that it was
Speaker 1: the real Angela Bassett swinging a knife. Do you have
Speaker 1: such doubts performance from amazing. She's so talented, Meryl, you
Speaker 1: know who else is talented. I was gonna say Lydia Tar,
Speaker 1: But can I say, can I say something? So for
Speaker 1: the first time in a long time, and I always
Speaker 1: try to honor this, but Matt Rogers put it to
Speaker 1: the group chat, the other group chat with me and
Speaker 1: our guest put an assignment out and said, both of you,
Speaker 1: I recommend both of you go see Tar before we
Speaker 1: record the episode. And can I tell you, I thought
Speaker 1: I had a pretty light show this week with Megan
Speaker 1: Stallion hosting. Yeah, And I thought I'm gonna have a
Speaker 1: chill Thursday or a chill Friday after I wrap on
Speaker 1: this pre tape to go and watch this movie that
Speaker 1: everyone's been talking about that I can't wait to see.
Speaker 1: You didn't get to make it. There was stuck in
Speaker 1: this was stuck in the studio until midnight every night
Speaker 1: this week. Okay, so I I haven't seen it, that's okay.
Speaker 1: And can I tell something. I was looking through your
Speaker 1: schedule because I of course have two Google calendars, one
Speaker 1: for me and one for you, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is not going to work for him. I don't
Speaker 1: think I don't think there's enough hours in the day
Speaker 1: for Bowen to go see the nearly three hours Tar,
Speaker 1: starring of course Cape One chat as Lydia Tar Lydia.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about this. It like like I, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be worried. I powered through drive my car last
Speaker 1: year on Super Bowl Sunday in Pasadena. Okay, well, first
Speaker 1: of all, can we just say touchdown on that one?
Speaker 1: Touched down? And I was really kind of defying American
Speaker 1: culture on that day by going, I'm gonna watch this
Speaker 1: Japanese as film, h and I love So I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about the set, but I am sad that I
Speaker 1: won't be able to engage in a conversation. I I
Speaker 1: think our guests might have seen it. He did. So
Speaker 1: what I said was what I said it just a
Speaker 1: minute ago, was you know, who's a talent? And I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, of course, and I and I guitar
Speaker 1: did what my brain is want to do since I've
Speaker 1: seen the film, which is sort of drift back to
Speaker 1: Tar and then sort of sit and thought, um, but
Speaker 1: you know who really is talented? But when is our
Speaker 1: guest and this this this guest, let's just say this.
Speaker 1: It has really been too long since the guest has
Speaker 1: been on the show. It's far to shut up. I
Speaker 1: feel like this is someone okay, and this is honesty Zone.
Speaker 1: Give the honesty right now to the readers who depend
Speaker 1: on you for it. We were a fledgling little podcast
Speaker 1: for I would say about a year and a half
Speaker 1: to two years. We were so young then we were.
Speaker 1: And then our guests pulled us out of the morass
Speaker 1: into the open clearing where the air was pure and
Speaker 1: clean and good. The sermon you're giving right now, I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed and said, come on my show, pop Rocket, And
Speaker 1: that was I think that that really, I think that
Speaker 1: was like the first sort of like warm embrace of
Speaker 1: like oh here, like here, come in, talk to us.
Speaker 1: We have this listenership who knows. It'll go from there,
Speaker 1: And I think that was like that, that was the
Speaker 1: first like building block into building, like the second story
Speaker 1: the upper floor of the Lost Cultures, the High Ranch,
Speaker 1: Lost Culture Ranch, and it's cut nix. How many floors?
Speaker 1: How many floors does the ranch have? So High Ranch
Speaker 1: is very interesting in terms of construction because you go
Speaker 1: in and then immediately you're you're met with stairs that
Speaker 1: go up to like a second level, and then there's
Speaker 1: usually a basic, So technically it's three floors because there
Speaker 1: is that like sort of area where you decide, shall
Speaker 1: I choose this mooth this course, it's coco because you
Speaker 1: can either go upstairs or downstairs, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what what's happening on either floor, like what's your CoCom
Speaker 1: and what's your period? So I don't know. I can't
Speaker 1: I can't wager to say. But lost culture is that
Speaker 1: our guest is um one of these stars, and I
Speaker 1: would say one of the breakout like brightest spots of
Speaker 1: the film. I could have used more of them, to
Speaker 1: be honest, not to get not to note, but I
Speaker 1: could have used more of our guests, of our guests,
Speaker 1: and more of our guests. The movie is gross, and
Speaker 1: I'm willing to bat a lot of the katies and
Speaker 1: the readers and the publicists have seen. Of course, we
Speaker 1: spoke about this film a couple years ago, one of
Speaker 1: the funniest movies of the goddamn year, and it's let's listen.
Speaker 1: I I just know from having a little Bertie on
Speaker 1: set Bow and Yang, that our guest was a major
Speaker 1: part of that, which doesn't surprise me in the least
Speaker 1: and this is this is a huge word for me
Speaker 1: right now, and always say it was cared for because
Speaker 1: our front, because our guest was there, was being so wonderful,
Speaker 1: was not was not It was not on the call
Speaker 1: sheet that day to be on camera, but was there.
Speaker 1: And the producer of the capacity writing the best adults,
Speaker 1: I said, I bet he was excited you were going
Speaker 1: to be there, and said I'm going down to set today.
Speaker 1: I have a little line that says congratulations. He made
Speaker 1: it to the about an administration high point of the film. True,
Speaker 1: a true guy Random pitched through and through that earned that.
Speaker 1: That line earned a scream from me. It earned a
Speaker 1: scream from me. Well, that scream you have Guy Random
Speaker 1: to thank for that. Manola darkis more like Minola Manola
Speaker 1: fagget me screaming at Froz in the theater, the Manola Faget.
Speaker 1: We have to get our guests immediately. Everyone, please welcome
Speaker 1: into your ears for for a triumphant returned to Lost Culture.
Speaker 1: Please welcome right up. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Good to be here. The light of Lost Culture Rasis
Speaker 1: has shown bright from its first moments. It needn't know
Speaker 1: how um those found it um so much to say, Like,
Speaker 1: I just love the idea of Angela Bassett taking a
Speaker 1: break whatever prof she's on for the month of October
Speaker 1: to reconnect herself with her craft. The immediacy of her craft,
Speaker 1: umplely was so repped up for a full on three
Speaker 1: way to our conversation. I was in Davis, California for
Speaker 1: parents weekends for my niece Olivia, well known, wonderful individual.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, ship, I have to go see Tar,
Speaker 1: but it is only opened in major cities. So to
Speaker 1: drive down to San Francisco, um no for like again
Speaker 1: two hours and forty five minutes of Tar, at the
Speaker 1: end of which I was like again, like it was
Speaker 1: like a ride. I was just like, give me more
Speaker 1: of this, You're you're gonna be obsessed. I left. I
Speaker 1: left feeling a little different. I left being like, what
Speaker 1: the funk was that? And it marinated in me and
Speaker 1: then I realized, like probably twelve hours later that it
Speaker 1: was I think actually the only relevant art I've seen
Speaker 1: in years. Oh my god, Like, what what is what
Speaker 1: is Todd Field? Just the whole idea of like, what
Speaker 1: is this man who like mix in the bedroom disappears
Speaker 1: for ten years, Um Children disappears for sixteen years, and
Speaker 1: then comes back with this, which like, uh, it was
Speaker 1: a wonderful experience that has electrified me. Um And it's
Speaker 1: so good to get to see you guys. What a
Speaker 1: what a lovely way to round out a weekend. That's
Speaker 1: lovely and you're now you're in newbu City, I mean
Speaker 1: Uba City, prune capital of the world, because you guys
Speaker 1: know well, I now have an intimate relationship with the
Speaker 1: California Prune Board, for which I am an ambassador and
Speaker 1: speak highly of. You know, the delicious, charm and sophisticated
Speaker 1: culture of California prunes that people should indulge in whenever
Speaker 1: they have the opportunity. I don't think I could tell
Speaker 1: you what a prune even taste like. I've enjoyed a prune.
Speaker 1: I bet you have that really tracks bow I have.
Speaker 1: I like a prune. They're rich and jamny and whiney.
Speaker 1: Now tell me I don't want to muzzle any tar
Speaker 1: conversation between the two of you. I'm happy to listen. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so there will be no spoilers because it's also likes
Speaker 1: it's also not about that, so so Basically what I
Speaker 1: love about this movie that took me a second to
Speaker 1: realize because you leave the movie and I feel like
Speaker 1: in most circumstances, like you leave a movie and you think,
Speaker 1: what was that movie trying to say? And I think
Speaker 1: that like this is this film is about this essentially
Speaker 1: like comically like awarded and celebrated conductor and musician Lydia
Speaker 1: Tar who's played by Cape Wenchat, who is about to
Speaker 1: conduct Maller's fifth and it's like it's like they're going
Speaker 1: to be the crown jewel of her career and it's
Speaker 1: just this like fever pitch of celebrating this individual at
Speaker 1: the height of her career. And basically what the movie
Speaker 1: is is you witness her fall, her cancelation if you were.
Speaker 1: And what I loved about this movie is that it
Speaker 1: truly makes art of the question can you separate the
Speaker 1: artists from their art? And in that what I loved
Speaker 1: about it was in leaving I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was so ahead of that movie. It felt like
Speaker 1: that movie was depicting her as a monster from the beginning,
Speaker 1: like that that that I didn't like her, and in
Speaker 1: hearing that other people have felt so differently than me.
Speaker 1: Only then was I able to understand that what this
Speaker 1: movie and Kate, who is fucking perfect, It is so
Speaker 1: brilliant at and top field is it just played the
Speaker 1: truth of every single situation, which made walking away from
Speaker 1: the movie and thinking about it in this regard sort
Speaker 1: of a roar shock for where you're at on that
Speaker 1: question of art v the artist creating it. And it
Speaker 1: was really really interesting and really well done well. There's
Speaker 1: also something so lovely about doing a movie about masculinity
Speaker 1: that was not about a man, just just sort of
Speaker 1: take like taking on like masculinity and patriarchy and power
Speaker 1: and everything that goes on there and then hanging it
Speaker 1: not on a dude, so that it is the same
Speaker 1: story we've seen a thousand times now, just litigating are
Speaker 1: they bad or not? And was and and also sort
Speaker 1: of having a film that was that enormous off of
Speaker 1: one performance, like the other people in the race, but
Speaker 1: this is like this is saving private Brian Storming, Normandy
Speaker 1: just it's just one person. But just Kate touching her ear.
Speaker 1: She she is she is towering. I mean, like the
Speaker 1: the the way she's a genius. It really can't be overstated.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think our greatest living actor,
Speaker 1: I think, and I say that having mentioned Metal Streep
Speaker 1: just minutes ago. I mean, this is this performances. And
Speaker 1: the thing too is it's a very difficult, complicated performance
Speaker 1: that isn't trying to make you feel anything. It's just
Speaker 1: she is playing the truth, and that is what that
Speaker 1: is so important in this movie. I feel like if
Speaker 1: there if there's any danger for her award season, it
Speaker 1: is just that it is such a complex and very
Speaker 1: It's not like it's you're playing an unlikable character. It
Speaker 1: is such a complex and very performance that there is
Speaker 1: just huge amounts of unlikability there. Well you know, I
Speaker 1: mean she's not a good person. But meanwhile, Eileen Arnos
Speaker 1: was a saint and that's what Harry Charley's over to
Speaker 1: her oscar when. But even a movie like that like
Speaker 1: sort of asks you to sympathize with her, this does not.
Speaker 1: This is just like it's just really and and like
Speaker 1: even the edit was interesting, like from from the jump,
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating movie that actually demands rewatch because Bowen,
Speaker 1: when I say, it ends so bizarre that you have
Speaker 1: to leave being like huh, a delicious ending that you
Speaker 1: will enjoy more than most people. Yeah, but when you're
Speaker 1: gonna love it, you're gonna really you really are what
Speaker 1: makes you say this? Because it's because it's insane. Okay, great? Great?
Speaker 1: I have to say, when I was in Toronto for
Speaker 1: the Trano in a national film festival, I hold in
Speaker 1: every string I could to get to see um The
Speaker 1: Fableman's and I am fascinated to see what you boys
Speaker 1: who think about and understand acting much better than I do.
Speaker 1: What you think after you see Michelle Williams performance, because
Speaker 1: it was brutal best actress here. It's a truly huge thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it was just that thing? Is that
Speaker 1: too huge? Like it's it's amazing, it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be really interesting because so I think the top
Speaker 1: three and I still I'm gonna be team Michelle on
Speaker 1: this and because it but it's I haven't seen The
Speaker 1: Fableman's yet. Obviously you have, but in your descriptor of
Speaker 1: it as being potentially too much and overboard, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: wagering that we have the brutalism of tar versus this
Speaker 1: Spielbergian excess of The Fableman's and the emotion that that
Speaker 1: carries and the true Gopher broke berserk insanity that touches
Speaker 1: on kind of both of those things and everything everywhere
Speaker 1: all at once, which is really exciting. And then like,
Speaker 1: I haven't I have not yet seen The Woman King,
Speaker 1: but I know Viola is in play for what many
Speaker 1: are saying shows new dimensions of her talent um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean tar is actually I'm Boe and I'm like
Speaker 1: really really excited for you to see it. Do you
Speaker 1: have this week off? I'm working our shooting shooting, and
Speaker 1: I'm working You'll you'll go at some point. And I'm
Speaker 1: going to my nephew's briss on Thursday. So exciting. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, is this your first bricks. It's my first
Speaker 1: press and for it to be family is very special.
Speaker 1: I might go see I might go to a big
Speaker 1: movie down Friday in Atlanta while I'm there and just
Speaker 1: watch all of these films. Well, no, The Woman King,
Speaker 1: I'm sure is playing somewhere in Atlanta. Oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: doing really well. And because it's out in theaters now right,
Speaker 1: it is it is, it's been around for a while.
Speaker 1: Like I saw The Woman King. It's very good. It's
Speaker 1: not like it's not a Viola Best Actress Forum though
Speaker 1: you know, it is like very much potentially a best picture,
Speaker 1: but like it just doesn't really I mean, she gives
Speaker 1: too much space to other people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely a journey, but it's also just
Speaker 1: trying to establish you can watch an action film about
Speaker 1: a black woman and have it be thrilling. I mean
Speaker 1: my signature experiences. I was walking out of the theater
Speaker 1: at the Grove and they were like six eighth grade
Speaker 1: boys next to me, and one of them was assuring
Speaker 1: the rest of them it was a Marvel movie. Oh well,
Speaker 1: I didn't understand. I did. I actually didn't know. And
Speaker 1: this this just goes to show, like you know how
Speaker 1: badly we need this story told. Um is that I
Speaker 1: did not know the Door Milage were actually based on
Speaker 1: these real women. I did not know that. Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was the Royal Guard of Dahome. A um, we're
Speaker 1: all women. And oh also, do you know who co
Speaker 1: wrote The Woman King? Yes, Maria Bellow. Maria Bellow is
Speaker 1: the bar manager in Kyote Ugly The Blonde Woman. So
Speaker 1: she's like iconic lesbian actress. She I guess went a
Speaker 1: few years ago to Africa to like experience like some
Speaker 1: sort of tour. Yes, that's where the Dahome made like
Speaker 1: she was just steeped in the culture and said there's
Speaker 1: a story here and then and get this. The way
Speaker 1: that she pitched it was she was presenting an award
Speaker 1: to Viola at some event and she like Viola came
Speaker 1: up on stage to get the award and Maria Bella
Speaker 1: turned to her in the audience and she was like,
Speaker 1: I Am going to take this opportunity to pitch a
Speaker 1: film that I know Viola needs to do. Pitch The
Speaker 1: woman came to her in that moment and they got
Speaker 1: off stage in Viola was like, I'm actually interested in that.
Speaker 1: We need to talk about it. And now it's a
Speaker 1: hit movie and it's like Viola is, you know, slag.
Speaker 1: But Maria Bella has been like working pretty steadily like
Speaker 1: over the years too as an actor. She's a talent,
Speaker 1: but she's also a producer. She has pivoted to more
Speaker 1: producing and charity work in Africa since pivoting to lesbians
Speaker 1: and at some point and yeah, those go hand in hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes you just need a career and sexuality resets, and
Speaker 1: that's a real culture too. That's really your number thirty.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I need your career and you know, speaking of
Speaker 1: career and sexuality, I have actually I've been to the
Speaker 1: theater many many times, like over the past few weeks,
Speaker 1: and one of the most joyous times I had was
Speaker 1: to see Bros. It was really so good, guy, it
Speaker 1: was so fucking good, so good. Hearing you guys talk
Speaker 1: about it was very sweet. I really appreciated it. It's
Speaker 1: such a fun movie. I hope more people see it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if people have seen it in the theaters.
Speaker 1: I hope people u turn on their televisions and get
Speaker 1: it when they can. On the eighteenth of the it's
Speaker 1: coming pretty soon. Yeah, they're rolling it up. But it
Speaker 1: really was fun to watch it in theaters with Okay,
Speaker 1: the best part was was after so I saw it,
Speaker 1: like all of the times that it's like, we had
Speaker 1: openings and stuff. But my friend, um Marina Kackenberg, very
Speaker 1: talented televised and writer, she writes for Never Have I Ever.
Speaker 1: She and I go through romantic comedies together and we
Speaker 1: went inside at the Grove and after it was done,
Speaker 1: all of the gays and the audience felt the need
Speaker 1: to come like she went to the bathroom, and I
Speaker 1: was waiting outside of the beth room, and everyone felt
Speaker 1: the need to come up and explain to me who
Speaker 1: they had hooked up with in the cast and a
Speaker 1: very charming little receiving line. And then Gus ken Worthy
Speaker 1: came over and said hi, and it was like, you
Speaker 1: don't need to tell us who you looked up with.
Speaker 1: Probably good guess you know his his long term his
Speaker 1: long term ex boyfriend, Matt will gets so great? Was
Speaker 1: that you at your most paper you would say, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was just receiving all these these these people telling you,
Speaker 1: like confessing all their misdeeds too. I have a very
Speaker 1: high bar for my most papal bowing, Like it would
Speaker 1: be hard, It would be hard to assert that in
Speaker 1: front of Matt Rodgers, who has had to see me,
Speaker 1: you know, issue bulls or interdicts at various points in
Speaker 1: time on the streets. I was just thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: like you probably had your iconic laugh, so that it
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't. They probably were like, I mean, he's here,
Speaker 1: I have to go over there, right, I mean, with
Speaker 1: a laugh like that. The man wants to be papalized,
Speaker 1: like I do hate situations where my obtrusive laugh makes
Speaker 1: me too present. There are moments when it's just perfect,
Speaker 1: But at the end of Joel's special recording, he was like,
Speaker 1: I guy, here, that's what I want. I just want
Speaker 1: to awareness. But then there are times why is like
Speaker 1: comedians who get mad at someone for laughing too loudly
Speaker 1: at the audience and calm down, don't you know what
Speaker 1: your job is? And like it makes me feel sub
Speaker 1: conscious for making it about me in a very eleventh
Speaker 1: grade girl kind of way, but we all want to
Speaker 1: do that sometimes. I'm going through this journey now in
Speaker 1: terms at work where my laugh is sort of piercing
Speaker 1: in its frequency at the read through, but some but okay,
Speaker 1: know the laugh is one thing, but now I'm doing
Speaker 1: this thing why I'm literally knee or table slapping, you know,
Speaker 1: like hit I hit table. But now this is teetering
Speaker 1: on like it being perceived as performative, and that's my fear.
Speaker 1: The thing is just withholding joy in a comedy writing
Speaker 1: situation is perfectly useless, and there are some people who
Speaker 1: are really aggressive about it. We need to remember what's
Speaker 1: fun about what we're doing while we're doing it before
Speaker 1: there's an audience here, Like when I was on Fashion
Speaker 1: Police when I started out that kind of didn't laugh
Speaker 1: even at the good stuff, And I was like, what's
Speaker 1: the fucking point of being here if we're not going
Speaker 1: to enjoy? Yeah? Yeah, Also, it's it's how you know
Speaker 1: something will work. I mean, like, don't even if you
Speaker 1: work cold hard math about this ship, like you understand that,
Speaker 1: like we we want the laughter from someone else at
Speaker 1: least it doesn't have to We don't have to have
Speaker 1: fun here, but it's better if we totally can engage
Speaker 1: that someone might. But when you when you separate those
Speaker 1: things of like the laughter, trying to like outline the
Speaker 1: audience response, the way it's being received from like the
Speaker 1: text itself, like this this has happened like a thousand
Speaker 1: times already this season, like on stuff that I've worked
Speaker 1: on where it's like we're getting lost in the sauce
Speaker 1: too much, Like let's just pull out and just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: like this works this place, Let's move on, Like there's
Speaker 1: it's it's sometimes it do be getting a little too
Speaker 1: to too granular. Did you know that that was actually
Speaker 1: a narrative in Bone and I early friendship What he
Speaker 1: mean was that we would scream at each other at
Speaker 1: each other's shows, scream Like I remember, like I would
Speaker 1: do sketches and Bone would come to the hammer Cut
Speaker 1: shows and he would be laughing, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's my girl out there. And when I would go
Speaker 1: see Danger Buck shows and then Bone do improv, I
Speaker 1: would be screaming and to the point where people were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you really laughed a lot, and I was like, and
Speaker 1: then I wasn't self aware enough to be self conscious.
Speaker 1: I was just simply too up in the feelings of joy.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing better than that feeling of falling
Speaker 1: in love with somebody's comic voice. There's nothing better than
Speaker 1: just sort of like period. You know, one of the
Speaker 1: great things about stand up is like constantly having these
Speaker 1: new people show up and you're just like, I just
Speaker 1: want to know what this person is going to do,
Speaker 1: like that you did that for us, did that for us,
Speaker 1: but also I just enjoyed so much what you did
Speaker 1: at Like, I will never forget that I got to
Speaker 1: meet Matt through his performance. I appreciate very greatly. Boh
Speaker 1: and I just had to meet at a gay party.
Speaker 1: Um surrounded by gay is talking about how much pick
Speaker 1: point they had? What? Okay, So that night that I
Speaker 1: met you, there was this guy who attempted to brag
Speaker 1: to me about how much big point he had, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, fuck you. I did not say this,
Speaker 1: but my attitude was generally, I'm from Los Angeles. You
Speaker 1: should not brag to me about how rich you are.
Speaker 1: You should brag to me about your industry power or fame,
Speaker 1: and your fame should perceive sure. Um. And then since then,
Speaker 1: all I can think about is how much big point
Speaker 1: he had he had? This was no he had like
Speaker 1: in the tens of thousands of belief like that is,
Speaker 1: if he is held on to a very wealthy man,
Speaker 1: good for him. Good. He needs to get back in
Speaker 1: touch with you. Now it seems like you might be
Speaker 1: interested in what he has to say. He might be
Speaker 1: a very wealthy person, now I know, but there are
Speaker 1: stealth crypto fags out there, and they're and they're among us.
Speaker 1: Oh I know them. They're they're really among us, and
Speaker 1: and then I celebrate them. It was it was very
Speaker 1: much like it was a man wearing a blazer at um,
Speaker 1: you know, at gay nights, and he had that feel
Speaker 1: about him, and I was just like I'm from the
Speaker 1: West Coast. I don't know how to deal with gay
Speaker 1: nights wear. You recall it was in New York. It
Speaker 1: was was it called pretty? Was it called pretty ugly?
Speaker 1: Or yes? Yes, do you ugly? I remember that party?
Speaker 1: Was that was that was at the hotel? It was not,
Speaker 1: but it was like it was in the venue of
Speaker 1: some sort of weird Tony and Tina's wedding, like U
Speaker 1: interactive theater experience. And I just remember being unused to
Speaker 1: Hell's Kitchen and having dancer bodies all over the place.
Speaker 1: Anytime somebody had very visible packs in a very visible
Speaker 1: ask underneath their clothes, I went up and asked if
Speaker 1: they were Broadway Spider Man and Matt Wilkas really Matt
Speaker 1: Wilkes was a Spider Man. Yes, did you know that?
Speaker 1: Of course he really was Spider Man. No, there was
Speaker 1: one time he was We were at a party at
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Selth's house and he was having back pain and
Speaker 1: everyone was very solicitous about, like offering help. I was like,
Speaker 1: why they do they care so much? And then I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, these are injuries he sustained as the
Speaker 1: Spider Man. That's why everybody care. So much. Wow, Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: just to be on the front lines at Spider Man
Speaker 1: Turn Off the Dark, one of the greatest theatrical wars
Speaker 1: we've seen. When a Rockney swag from the ceiling, honey
Speaker 1: people people were killed. Nobody was killed. I bought the
Speaker 1: book about it, but I have not read it. There's
Speaker 1: the book History. I love an oral history. Can I
Speaker 1: say it feels like the girls can really talk ship.
Speaker 1: I want them to do a oral history for a
Speaker 1: fire Island so bad so everyone can know all of
Speaker 1: it too. I'm ready to spill. But when did you
Speaker 1: read the Tom Shan's book before you went to I've
Speaker 1: never given it a full read, and I've read bits,
Speaker 1: and I would like hop around like the eraors that
Speaker 1: I loved. I did like, I did like pre seventy five,
Speaker 1: and like the first couple of seasons, like all the
Speaker 1: way up to the New Orleans episode, and then I
Speaker 1: went to like the nineties, and then I went to
Speaker 1: like and then they for the forty they did an update,
Speaker 1: and I assume they'll do one for the fiftieth too.
Speaker 1: But okay, but this is my question, and please please
Speaker 1: comment on this. I'm like, is it too like I
Speaker 1: would never be caught dead on the subway, like eating
Speaker 1: a hard copy of that? Can you imagine? Like the slsgusting?
Speaker 1: But do I do? I do think it's worth giving
Speaker 1: it a full read through? Right? Is that terrible of me? No?
Speaker 1: I like, I don't think so. I love doing research.
Speaker 1: I love doing research about anything, and I feel like
Speaker 1: it's weird to start work with somebody about whom you
Speaker 1: can know a great deal and to not know a
Speaker 1: great deal about them. I feel like I dropped the
Speaker 1: ball every time I didn't I tell you grows story.
Speaker 1: When we did the table read for the only other
Speaker 1: movie I've been in No Strings Attached with Natalie Portman,
Speaker 1: I sat next to this woman and I was like,
Speaker 1: Balsom is her last name? Is this Martin Balstoon's daughter?
Speaker 1: Do I not remember? And then I only as I
Speaker 1: was leaving, I was like, guy, that is the only
Speaker 1: other woman who's been that at that time, the only
Speaker 1: person who've been married to George Clooney, Miss Challi of
Speaker 1: Balston now married to uh what's his name from? From
Speaker 1: mad men um John Slattery. Yes, And that was a
Speaker 1: situation where if I had prepared properly, I would have
Speaker 1: been able to like make her my end within ninety seconds.
Speaker 1: And then I asked professions about being married to George Clooney,
Speaker 1: and I dropped the ball. I have to say, I
Speaker 1: had forgotten that she is also an instrument in that
Speaker 1: great symphony of a film. Like one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things ever is that is that the supporting cast of
Speaker 1: that movie is what it is. I mean, the supporting
Speaker 1: cast of that movie is all over the place, and
Speaker 1: it's always fun to know, Like Olivia Thurrowby, you and
Speaker 1: I have add. One time on the streets in Manhattan,
Speaker 1: Olivia Thornby accosted me and she was she was like,
Speaker 1: I know you. He was like your errand's publicist or
Speaker 1: something like that. I was like, nowhere in a movie together.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you're not. Like she was very certain
Speaker 1: who I was, and it was like accessory gay to
Speaker 1: someone she knows that. I was like, no, we were,
Speaker 1: I Olivia Thurnby, you saw Juno and you were like,
Speaker 1: who is that? Yes? Yeah, I feel like she should
Speaker 1: be doing into this mold now of like I can
Speaker 1: see her so clearly in my mind, like in a
Speaker 1: movie now. Yes, it must be so rough for those
Speaker 1: people who have to have somebody else create the correct
Speaker 1: vehicle for them, you know what I mean? And there
Speaker 1: is something so nice about just being like, well, the
Speaker 1: thing that is holding me back is that I have
Speaker 1: been too lazy or unfocused to put together the thing
Speaker 1: I need to for myself period. I mean literally the
Speaker 1: daily struggle. But wait, what this iconic Mattin Bowen moment
Speaker 1: brings me to someone who is finally getting a moment.
Speaker 1: Bowen took me years ago to go see the film
Speaker 1: with Thoroughbreds and it starred Annie teller Joy, who, of
Speaker 1: course you know, popped all the way off, and the
Speaker 1: other actress was Olivia Cook, who I thought was just
Speaker 1: as good. I was like, the girl gives a stunning
Speaker 1: performance and I have been waiting for years for her
Speaker 1: to find that, and now she is, I guess in
Speaker 1: the Dragon Show. She's full on in the House of
Speaker 1: the Dragon. And she's of course going viral right now
Speaker 1: for that Nerons Bagliato with Echo. It's just that's her.
Speaker 1: She's oh stunned, And I was like, wow, for this
Speaker 1: to be not The Dragon Show, but for this meme
Speaker 1: to be your vehicle to great success. You go, girl?
Speaker 1: Am I missing something? Is it? Just is it just
Speaker 1: popping off because they said it sexy or something. I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of what I mean, rich bisexual energy
Speaker 1: of maybe a sort that it eludes me. Sure, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: well now it's the drink of the fall. I don't
Speaker 1: fucking now. Although bartenders are slamming their absolute head into
Speaker 1: the wall because they don't want to be this is
Speaker 1: the cycle now of like conventional like seasonally conventional cocktails
Speaker 1: where it's like everyone's ordering is my special Martinez, everyone's
Speaker 1: ordering like dirty Shirley's. Everyone's ordering appalls like like it's
Speaker 1: trends are going to shift. Trends are going to shift.
Speaker 1: You have to deal with the waves that come Outders.
Speaker 1: I actually I want to recommend both of you reading
Speaker 1: material if you want. Yes, I'm reading this book now.
Speaker 1: I'm reading this book now. You actually would both love
Speaker 1: this uh by this guy named W. David Marks. I think.
Speaker 1: But this the book is just called Status and Culture,
Speaker 1: and it basically writes about how, like the reason why
Speaker 1: trend cycles are so quick now is because because status
Speaker 1: is broken down, and like people who have high status
Speaker 1: aren't respected as much as they used to, and people
Speaker 1: with low status kind of have the pseudo high stad like,
Speaker 1: so it's all mixed up. And the show that I
Speaker 1: just sold to a d C. He's about thank you,
Speaker 1: what is terrible wreck, But it's about three families with
Speaker 1: the same income who have different classes, and just the
Speaker 1: fact that we don't talk about the way that class
Speaker 1: is not just a factor of how much money you make,
Speaker 1: but truly like how metal is your straw and how
Speaker 1: you know orange is your cocktail and like that. So
Speaker 1: that actually sounds like perfect reading material for me right now,
Speaker 1: responsible research. It's interesting, it's it's a very great book
Speaker 1: that pertains to things that we think about anyway, a
Speaker 1: of you. But no, to pivot back to Tara, one
Speaker 1: of one of the things that was amazing on the
Speaker 1: Tar was like re rooting yourself in this Bury Manhattan
Speaker 1: world of people who are so certain that they have
Speaker 1: control of the culture. And it is such like an
Speaker 1: abstruse and rarefied and weird world that like most people
Speaker 1: don't care about. But still, you know, the people in
Speaker 1: control still get down on their knees and suck the
Speaker 1: dick of Lydiatar. Petri's father, Yes, Petra's father. There's a
Speaker 1: scene blin where it's not a spoiler, but she finds
Speaker 1: she finds out her daughter is being bullied at school,
Speaker 1: and she shows up and goes over to this truly
Speaker 1: eight year old girl and is like shoes the other
Speaker 1: girls away that that are standing with her having a
Speaker 1: conversation and she kind of gets down on her level
Speaker 1: and she goes She says, I'm Petri's father, and she
Speaker 1: basically says to her, if you ever messed with my
Speaker 1: daughter again, I'm gonna get you. And if you tell
Speaker 1: any adults, they will not believe you, so you can,
Speaker 1: which you can do if you want, but I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you it has to stop or I'm going to
Speaker 1: get you and no one will believe you because I'm
Speaker 1: an adult. And she, the little girl, goes away, but
Speaker 1: it's iconic and her performance is so again just like
Speaker 1: so fearsome but controlled. What what I was pulling from
Speaker 1: what you were saying, guy, was I think that the
Speaker 1: more I work in this industry, the more I realized
Speaker 1: that these people that have been lifted up and put
Speaker 1: on pedestals, like there's always an ass to show at
Speaker 1: some point. And what I love about Cape Blenchett's performance
Speaker 1: in Tar is it is the best performance of a
Speaker 1: douche bag I have ever seen. She is such a
Speaker 1: douche And you start watching it and you think, because
Speaker 1: of the way the movie is presenting itself and the
Speaker 1: way that she presents herself in the film, and the
Speaker 1: way that the film is sort of, you know, presenting her,
Speaker 1: you think, oh, this must be something I should take seriously.
Speaker 1: This must be like a stark drama about whatever is
Speaker 1: going on here. And then you realize it's actually very
Speaker 1: explicitly a satire. It is a laugh out loud and
Speaker 1: it's hilarious. Yeah, is it? Is? It sort of like
Speaker 1: by the end of the movie, you're like, Oh, who
Speaker 1: the funk cares that she's this conductor? I mean, the
Speaker 1: thing is what's beautiful about it is like she's a genius.
Speaker 1: And there's never a moment that you question she's a genius.
Speaker 1: But there are so many moments where you think about
Speaker 1: the ways that politics and ruthlessness and talent and hard
Speaker 1: work the way like what makes a genius, Like it
Speaker 1: really isn't what makes a genius, And so frequently when
Speaker 1: they asked we asked that question, it's like, well, I
Speaker 1: guess we have to put up with what Mozart is
Speaker 1: doing because he gives us this music. And this is
Speaker 1: not like this is a movie that like is not saying,
Speaker 1: oh well, we have to put up with it. He's
Speaker 1: so good at what he does and we shouldn't be
Speaker 1: talking about it because you should be able to experience it. Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh but this is so interesting to me. This is
Speaker 1: so interesting to me because I keep running into this
Speaker 1: thing where like people don't ultimately give a shit about
Speaker 1: what I do. I don't give a about what other
Speaker 1: people do who get mad at the stuff that I'm
Speaker 1: being I'm sort of talking around a lot of things.
Speaker 1: But like, so, like the other thing the book talks
Speaker 1: about is like status groups, and that are there are
Speaker 1: different conventions among different status groups, and that there are
Speaker 1: different markers of status in those groups, in different hierarchies
Speaker 1: within those anyway, Um, is this something that's sort of
Speaker 1: I think so. I think the fact that you are
Speaker 1: actually reading this is going to lend itself to a
Speaker 1: very interesting read on the movie, because because it's also
Speaker 1: a lot about the packaging and presentation of genius, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like it's like this sort
Speaker 1: of agreed upon fact that this character Lydia tar Is.
Speaker 1: Basically she's like the closest thing to Mozart since Mozart.
Speaker 1: I mean, she breathes art and knowing that about herself
Speaker 1: and knowing that she has to maintain that, there comes
Speaker 1: with that, like, of course, the douche baggery I'm talking
Speaker 1: about that that has to happen whenever you're talking about
Speaker 1: your own accomplishments. And but it's just such an incredible
Speaker 1: study of someone who has bought their own hype to
Speaker 1: the point where they actually have forgotten who they are
Speaker 1: at all, and people don't matter to her because she's
Speaker 1: not a grounded, emotional human being, Like there's one relationship
Speaker 1: in her life is not transactional, which is actually a
Speaker 1: line that said to her by her wife. She's like,
Speaker 1: You've got one relationship in your life that isn't transactional.
Speaker 1: That's one of your daughter. But then I also think
Speaker 1: that that relationship is transactional in many ways. So it's
Speaker 1: a very can I hear that? Can I hear that
Speaker 1: argument from you? Because there was there was a journalist
Speaker 1: who quoted that as though we're her own one relationship
Speaker 1: in her life isn't transactional, And I'm like, that's in
Speaker 1: the movie, and also anything that's did to you in
Speaker 1: a movie, you should question. But I want to hear
Speaker 1: your like, my opinion on her is that and you
Speaker 1: see this in at the end of the movie. I
Speaker 1: think she's obviously she's a disgusting person. She's InCred of
Speaker 1: we talented, and I think that she, like any predator um,
Speaker 1: the number one thing she covets is control, and I
Speaker 1: think that she wants to dominate. And I think that obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't get into her backstory a ton,
Speaker 1: but we see enough that she's obviously very ashamed of. Yes,
Speaker 1: maybe a certain segment of real I'm not saying too much.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, like what I felt in that scene,
Speaker 1: which is obviously sort of the relationship she has with
Speaker 1: her daughter is summed up in this scene with the
Speaker 1: child when she goes and intimidates the bully at school.
Speaker 1: Is this is another way she can get off on
Speaker 1: being a dominator. So it's it's less about protecting her
Speaker 1: daughter and more about being able to enter a space
Speaker 1: and let someone know that if she wanted to, she
Speaker 1: could ruin your life. And I think that that also
Speaker 1: comes into play at the end of the film. When
Speaker 1: you see you know where she ends up. Because while
Speaker 1: that atmosphere is so insane and surreal to behold and
Speaker 1: you leave the movie thinking what the fuck, it is
Speaker 1: still an environment that she can dominate and that ultimately
Speaker 1: is the number one most important thing to her. No
Speaker 1: matter how much she justifies to herself that it's about art,
Speaker 1: it's actually about dominance. I'm sure she loves music, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that she loves what she does, and she's incredibly
Speaker 1: talented at it. But it is very clear to me
Speaker 1: that this person is a classic Capital P predator because
Speaker 1: what they want most of all is to be well.
Speaker 1: There's the facto dominator of any circumstance. There's the way
Speaker 1: that you see people, we see people around us who
Speaker 1: seek fame to some extent so that they can stop
Speaker 1: being people. They sort of want to stop being people.
Speaker 1: And there's that weird way that like watching Lydiatar try
Speaker 1: to compose in a room on her own with no
Speaker 1: one telling her how great she is, she has so
Speaker 1: little capacity can do to figure out what she should
Speaker 1: be composing. And the thing is is, like I think
Speaker 1: that this is the truth. It's so aren't for people
Speaker 1: who are successful to get off of their own bullshit
Speaker 1: enough to making things. And when I see the people
Speaker 1: who do that, I am always really impressed, you know,
Speaker 1: the people who well, when there's eyes on you, I
Speaker 1: think that. I think, like it's so true too. It's like,
Speaker 1: even if you're the most creative person ever and you're
Speaker 1: a prolific person, when there are eyes on you, like
Speaker 1: the way that you create work just changes. I mean,
Speaker 1: like when you're working around in a basement when we
Speaker 1: met you, Like, it's harder to create with people watching
Speaker 1: it just is. It's interesting to see it play out
Speaker 1: in this movie because it's not just that people are
Speaker 1: watching what she seems comfortable with. It's that she has
Speaker 1: to think about um, the way she may be responsible
Speaker 1: to a certain situation and she cannot get out of
Speaker 1: her own way. And I do think that that what's
Speaker 1: interesting about that is watching that converge with the idea
Speaker 1: of creating art and whether or not even fucking matters,
Speaker 1: you know, because ultimately it doesn't. It doesn't fucking matter
Speaker 1: at the end of the movie that she's a genius.
Speaker 1: That's why we almost never hear any of her work.
Speaker 1: It doesn't fucking matter. This is a at an individual
Speaker 1: who's here's something, and I might say this is someone
Speaker 1: who's not seeing the movie. So this is probably total
Speaker 1: total to the opposite of creation or creativity is control,
Speaker 1: because if you're creating something, you're sort of putting it
Speaker 1: out into the world, and for control, you're controlling something,
Speaker 1: you're just sort of inserting yourself on something that's already there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean whatever that is. That, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: absolutely true. And like, once you have status, part of
Speaker 1: you is always going to be conservative to try to
Speaker 1: control and maintain that status, and you're not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to make those same kinds of risks. Is why
Speaker 1: I always try to when Twitter becomes like unrepentant ship talking,
Speaker 1: I always try so hard to remind myself how much
Speaker 1: I would be shipped talking to be funny in the
Speaker 1: same way if I were twenty. You know, Like, I
Speaker 1: just think there is that feeling of like striking out
Speaker 1: from powerlessness does have a great deal of creative, chaotic
Speaker 1: energy to its yep, And I have to respect that
Speaker 1: well at the same time being almost constantly annoyed by it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know you can, don't. Like we all are
Speaker 1: participating in what we're in the atmosphere that we're given
Speaker 1: to participate. I think about that all the time. It's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, to go from snarky facts online
Speaker 1: to get people actually sometimes give us the opportunity to
Speaker 1: do this, and then to be faccots that are snarked at.
Speaker 1: We deserve it, you know what I mean. Ultimately, it's
Speaker 1: also like you can't get too mad because you know,
Speaker 1: but it's it's just it's a really, really, really fascinating
Speaker 1: interesting movie. And I also think like if if people
Speaker 1: were listening to this episode in like a bubble and
Speaker 1: like didn't understand like much about the movie, it this
Speaker 1: might sound like a snobby film, like or like we're
Speaker 1: the way we're talking about it, it's really not. It's
Speaker 1: so it's like when I when I realized it was
Speaker 1: a comedy, I felt like I felt free. And I
Speaker 1: feel like the fact that they're kind of withholding that
Speaker 1: that's what it is is really genius and smart well,
Speaker 1: and he's one of those things where if you were
Speaker 1: but like not Whittaker who cares too much about classical music,
Speaker 1: will be able to enjoy it and get joked with
Speaker 1: that movie that don't make sense to me? But I
Speaker 1: almost think that watching it as an outsider is more
Speaker 1: fun because it is this like contain space of a
Speaker 1: world that like I know nothing about, and it's not
Speaker 1: about that world. It's just about the power dynamics that
Speaker 1: have in any world. Yeah. Yeah. I also left the
Speaker 1: movie being like, okay, like when I didn't like it,
Speaker 1: which was my which was my reality for about again,
Speaker 1: like probably six to seven hours, I was like, well
Speaker 1: fuck that. I thought, Well, I'll tell you what's not brilliant.
Speaker 1: The idea of like a conductor who like manipulates um,
Speaker 1: you know, time and sound also like that one to
Speaker 1: one being like she's a manipulator of people too, Like
Speaker 1: that is not brilliant. It is not genius. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't like this. But what is brilliant
Speaker 1: and genius is someone who genuinely believes that they are
Speaker 1: manipulating time, sound, energy, and the feeling and temperature of
Speaker 1: a room, thinking they can get away with other stuff
Speaker 1: to this extent the belief the character study is interesting
Speaker 1: and that's all it is. It reminded me a little
Speaker 1: bit of the Tempest in just being a character study
Speaker 1: of somebody whose power has gone to their head at
Speaker 1: the end of the fablements. I was like, so fascinated
Speaker 1: by all of these choices that Spielberg had made, but
Speaker 1: I was not swept away, and tar completely swept me away. Wow,
Speaker 1: how's your tip? Talk about Toronto? When I was getting
Speaker 1: to go to the Toronto International Film Festival. There are
Speaker 1: stories around that that I would tell you boys when
Speaker 1: it is not being recorded. But okay, oh is it
Speaker 1: don't worry Darling stuff because I'm gagged now it's not,
Speaker 1: don't I didn't realize that don't Worry Darling was happening.
Speaker 1: And then they were just like screaming children all over
Speaker 1: the place, and I was very excited. Oh but the
Speaker 1: magical story is just that there is a venerable Canadian
Speaker 1: political writer who is married to Canada's former governor general.
Speaker 1: And I asked them to go with me to the
Speaker 1: premiere and they were they were like, we can't, but
Speaker 1: you should come over to the house and like have
Speaker 1: tea with us. And so I went over to John
Speaker 1: Ralston Saul In Adrian Clarkson's house two days after the
Speaker 1: Queen died and had these people who would like you know,
Speaker 1: spent many a night at one of the Queen's houses
Speaker 1: had to hung out with the Queen many times. Um
Speaker 1: just sort of analyzing what that meant for the future
Speaker 1: of Canada. And that was my tiff right there, of
Speaker 1: you being in tiff in Toronto, on Canadian soil, the Commonwealth,
Speaker 1: and I feel like wow, also got full. Scott Thompson
Speaker 1: got ful. Scott Thompson like b I he was oh
Speaker 1: wait wait He and Joel came to the Bros. Premiere.
Speaker 1: Scott Thompson was there. Scott Thompson was there, and like
Speaker 1: I got I talked to Scott way too much. And
Speaker 1: then I ended up being in boys Town and he
Speaker 1: was at a birthday party that was at the barn
Speaker 1: next store, and we ended up paying it all day long.
Speaker 1: And then I came home and turned on the news
Speaker 1: and he was on CBC processing the death of the queen.
Speaker 1: Before it was it was just I had always said,
Speaker 1: I always said, when the Queen dies, I will take
Speaker 1: the day off work. Like when the queen dies, I
Speaker 1: will need to take the day off work. But I
Speaker 1: did not take the day off of hacks Jen stats.
Speaker 1: He was very open that it was a possibility, but
Speaker 1: I powered through. I you know, kept calm and carrying
Speaker 1: on um. But it was you know, it was just
Speaker 1: with all of the meaning that she has for billions
Speaker 1: of people around the planet, it was just sort of
Speaker 1: a change of an era and getting to be somewhere
Speaker 1: where they were really taking it seriously in a lot
Speaker 1: of different ways. Mental last me, I'm disappointed that you
Speaker 1: didn't keep your promise to yourself that you should have
Speaker 1: taken off, should have taken the day off. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: it's like out of respect, but truly I did miss
Speaker 1: an hour of work to talk to John Roston Saul
Speaker 1: about what he thinks for the future of the Canadian monarchy. Oh,
Speaker 1: I cannot repeat those on anything broadcast able. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't positive. Is it a collapsive meaning? And so therefore
Speaker 1: the Canadians will fully go crazy and nihilist. He had
Speaker 1: a vision, had a vision of the future that was
Speaker 1: more holy Canadian um. And I really like it was
Speaker 1: fascinating to hear from just like this very very venerable
Speaker 1: political philosopher about what it means. And it was super fun.
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you something, and this is going
Speaker 1: to be more emotional. Did you cry? You said tears.
Speaker 1: I was like, I knew that when the Queen died,
Speaker 1: I would cry. And the thing is like, I don't
Speaker 1: buy that mean to imply that I think that British
Speaker 1: monarchy is good or has not been a terribly terribly
Speaker 1: destructive thing. I just think that a stable icon of
Speaker 1: my childhood, you know, not like my dad was great
Speaker 1: and terrible in lots of ways. I cry about him
Speaker 1: being dead, this person who represented stability and and sort
Speaker 1: of one thing I think when you are a too
Speaker 1: bright faggot growing up in the United States, seeing and
Speaker 1: also in sort of like an anti intellectual farm town,
Speaker 1: thinking about like Britain and its tradition seems very very fancy,
Speaker 1: and then you are exposed to them directly and you're like,
Speaker 1: who do these people think they are? Um? And so
Speaker 1: it wasn't anything uh crying for lost innocence? Absolutely, do
Speaker 1: you think that mL Stanton is going to tear? Okay?
Speaker 1: I had no problem with EML Di Stantin and Holy School.
Speaker 1: I convey to me to load them mel distunting And
Speaker 1: so now I don't know. I mean, the thing is
Speaker 1: just like and she was a B plus rose, and
Speaker 1: the thing is just like I learned of her as
Speaker 1: one of the lovees, as one of Emma Thompson's close
Speaker 1: personal friends from Footlights who hung out and made things together.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, she's one of the cool people.
Speaker 1: And then I was just like, oh god, she is
Speaker 1: a little much like she she can be a little much.
Speaker 1: And we had been promised Chrish Likeker came back with
Speaker 1: the t like six years ago that Peter Morgan was
Speaker 1: asking Dame Helen Miran to come back. And you know,
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit as though I did not
Speaker 1: get the Dame two seasons and Dame Helen Mirren I
Speaker 1: wanted and veryan sent for Leslie Manville. I'm very excited
Speaker 1: everything that's coming for us. I mean, the crown and
Speaker 1: Mrs Vicky is gonna she's really good. He showed fucking
Speaker 1: dumb with Diana story. I have to say, like, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, one more Diana story, But I
Speaker 1: do feel like this will be the last one for
Speaker 1: a while, because we have true the bubble has truly burst. Burst.
Speaker 1: Lewis's joke about how we're only six or seven movies
Speaker 1: away from really understanding Marylyn Monroe is one of the
Speaker 1: best funny too. What the funk are we doing? Have
Speaker 1: either of you endeavored to dry and I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't care. I didn't watch the Michelle Williams one, and
Speaker 1: I would probably like that. I did like that one.
Speaker 1: See I do love her. You know, we were watching
Speaker 1: the last night at the pregame. We were watching videos
Speaker 1: of Gwen Verdon dancing and then watching Michelle do it.
Speaker 1: We didn't, but it made me realize, like god damn it,
Speaker 1: that performance was incredible. There is a surprising amount of
Speaker 1: Gwynn Verdon in her mix Fatleman and you're like, that
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense, but I would, Okay, here's here's
Speaker 1: before you see the Fableman's I would encourage you to
Speaker 1: look at a still photo of Lee of Spielberg and
Speaker 1: when you just realized the French Bob is ripped from
Speaker 1: the headlines, like you can understand more that this performance
Speaker 1: is rooted in a specific human being and uh, it
Speaker 1: is amazing. But it's also one of those things when
Speaker 1: it comes to Best Actor's race. She is like of
Speaker 1: that movie, like it's it's not something like what or
Speaker 1: Michelle Yo like like Lydia tar is the entirety of
Speaker 1: a film. Maybe that like with some great supporting roles,
Speaker 1: but like I just feel like like Michelle Yo got
Speaker 1: written the most gigantic role imaginable and she fucking did
Speaker 1: it every step of the way. And I hope and
Speaker 1: pray that the Academy can give an award too. Like
Speaker 1: a movie that came out in like August or before
Speaker 1: the April, Yeah, it was way early in the year.
Speaker 1: And somebody who is playing like a lady who owns
Speaker 1: a laundry, like if they can open up their minds
Speaker 1: enough for that, and a funny and a funny action movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was like it was just everything everywhere
Speaker 1: all it was like it truly was enormous. Thank you,
Speaker 1: and thank you for saying that and for really title
Speaker 1: and and look at the way we're looking at you
Speaker 1: with pride and respect. And can I say I usually
Speaker 1: my ruber because usually could no one else have done it? Literally,
Speaker 1: there is not a human being on the planet that
Speaker 1: could have done except Jackie Chan because that's what it
Speaker 1: was written form. And even that low impact in comparison, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which it's so much more interesting with her, more interesting
Speaker 1: with her. Yeah. And also the thing the thing though,
Speaker 1: is like I thought that that would be like objectively
Speaker 1: true at the end of the year that this would
Speaker 1: be the definitive thing that lives up to that. Rubrick.
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, Michelle Yell and everything everywhere
Speaker 1: all at once, like Hander Hander the award. But now
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that there's someone that could
Speaker 1: have played Lydia Tar like good thing. I don't think.
Speaker 1: Here here we start getting into economics of Academy awards,
Speaker 1: and it is just that question of determining who is
Speaker 1: worth three? And we have in the last we have
Speaker 1: opened up who is worth three? And I think we
Speaker 1: all know that we really have he is worth three,
Speaker 1: But I don't know that it's now. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, like Blue Jasmine was nine years ago, um
Speaker 1: and like it it is huge. I used to have
Speaker 1: to say this. I was so excited for my mom
Speaker 1: and Olivia to watch everything everywhere all at once, because
Speaker 1: you have blue collar, like working class lady who gets
Speaker 1: to explore everything that was possible for her, and then
Speaker 1: you have like daughter who is in pitched battle with
Speaker 1: her at all times, who is queer and weird and
Speaker 1: all of those things. And my mom fell asleep during
Speaker 1: it because she falls asleep during things all the time.
Speaker 1: But just sort of Olivia got the full experience of it,
Speaker 1: and it was just like it's it's just so wonderful
Speaker 1: when you see something like that and it's not just
Speaker 1: a thing of beauty but also something that you know
Speaker 1: will mean something to people who matter to you. Um,
Speaker 1: and everything everywhere, all at once has that warmth factor
Speaker 1: that's charred, doesn't you know? Yeah makes it the distance. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, it's got more of Coda being able to
Speaker 1: wrap my head around the fact that we live in
Speaker 1: a world that where Coda wins Best Picture. Like not
Speaker 1: that it wasn't a great, lovely movie, but it is
Speaker 1: just like a very streamable film on like on Amazon
Speaker 1: that you watch on your television or whatever Apple um
Speaker 1: is more has more potential than something that is blowing
Speaker 1: up planets. Yeah. Well, I was just gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: Koda was a sweet and lovely movie, but it was
Speaker 1: not Power of the Dog. But then I saw you
Speaker 1: sort of drag Power of the Dog the Dog on Twitter.
Speaker 1: The thing is I love Power of the Dog, like
Speaker 1: I I will drag it. Like. The best thing about
Speaker 1: Power of the Dog is my friends Sarah Fire made
Speaker 1: me go see it in a theater in Pasadena, same
Speaker 1: theater where I saw everything, ever where, all at once,
Speaker 1: but having to drag yourself through the boredom to realize
Speaker 1: what it was doing made it one of the most
Speaker 1: effective portrayals of what closetedness is. Like. I felt that
Speaker 1: it was really good. I thought that it was a
Speaker 1: rich movie that I thought about a lot. But I
Speaker 1: also it was a little bit like, what does this
Speaker 1: movie want? What does this movie have to say? Like
Speaker 1: it a little bit fell into there's a correct kind
Speaker 1: of gayness that will happen offscreen that we will never see,
Speaker 1: but it's correct gainness. And then there is this bad
Speaker 1: gayness that is bad, but we're going to pay a
Speaker 1: lot of attention to it. It is a problem that
Speaker 1: I found most significant. Have either of you seen The Inheritance? Yes,
Speaker 1: I've seen The Inheritance and I did the full sit
Speaker 1: through for both parts. Now for me, life is too short.
Speaker 1: I mean it's true, like I would truly adore to
Speaker 1: take you, Matt, I'll be sleeping like death. I mean yes,
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is is like I have threatened
Speaker 1: to take Luke McFarland from Bros. To watch The Inheritance,
Speaker 1: like Luke would like it, But then I would yell
Speaker 1: at him so much about how angry I am at
Speaker 1: so many aspects of it. But I feel like the
Speaker 1: inheritance was something that was like, there's good correct gayness.
Speaker 1: We're not going to show you that. We're going to
Speaker 1: show you drugs and fucking and we're gonna say that's bad.
Speaker 1: And I think that, well, the well and they did
Speaker 1: say that's bad. That's what you're saying. Yes, And I
Speaker 1: think if we love drugs and we love drugs and sucking,
Speaker 1: why not be able to explore drugs and sucking without
Speaker 1: needing to shake our finger at it? Or if you
Speaker 1: think there is some better and more correct way of
Speaker 1: being gay, show us that. And also, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I think rooting the validity of gay
Speaker 1: masculinity on our capacity to have children is misguided. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, we are perfectly capable of being wonderful parents.
Speaker 1: Lots of people are. I am in fucking you, Basdi
Speaker 1: because I came for parents Weekend at Davis because a
Speaker 1: young woman had to be prodded to go to services
Speaker 1: at hill l But like, what I have to offer
Speaker 1: this world is not just my capacity to parents that, like,
Speaker 1: we are more than that. So I have a lot
Speaker 1: of issues with the inheritance. Um, but I love that
Speaker 1: it's so long. I mean that what you said about
Speaker 1: Power of the Dog, about like needing needing, needing to
Speaker 1: sit through the boredom to understand what gold you're being
Speaker 1: given is a little bit tar too, because it's like
Speaker 1: every single scene is there for a reason, but you
Speaker 1: don't understand why until you know, Like like when I
Speaker 1: hated the movie for those for that period of time,
Speaker 1: I was like, what the funk is going on? And
Speaker 1: why are we seeing this? And I asked it so
Speaker 1: many times and then every time I had to visit
Speaker 1: it every scene and I was like, no, we needed that.
Speaker 1: I needed that going through it and just thinking about
Speaker 1: it as a screenplay would it would be fascinating and
Speaker 1: it's something that I need to do, even just a
Speaker 1: thing of like telling us so much about her work
Speaker 1: in Peru, like what I was laughing, Like I realized,
Speaker 1: like when The Bone, there's a scene in the beginning
Speaker 1: where they're like they're doing like an interview with her,
Speaker 1: like she's being again interviewed about how what the genius
Speaker 1: she is, and like their list her credits, and at
Speaker 1: a certain point you're like, oh, this has to be
Speaker 1: satire because her list of credits is so long, and
Speaker 1: the fact that she's an egot, she's she's little antar
Speaker 1: as you got. And when they said you got, that's
Speaker 1: when I was like, no, this is a funny movie.
Speaker 1: Are the people most likely to be that's okay? That
Speaker 1: this is true? Okay, I have to ask you a question.
Speaker 1: I have to ask you, boy. It's a very serious question.
Speaker 1: It is this He's don't worry Darling Camp because okay,
Speaker 1: please tell me, talk to me. Well have you seen?
Speaker 1: But don't worry Darling yet. But I'm willing to I'm
Speaker 1: going to presume that it does not achieve like this
Speaker 1: sun Taggian Camp definition that it needs to be aware
Speaker 1: of its own bad taste. Correct. Don't Worry Darling takes
Speaker 1: itself so seriously as the half movie that it is,
Speaker 1: because it really has something interesting there that's like beyond
Speaker 1: the scope of what the script allows it to deliver.
Speaker 1: There could be something really interesting said and done as
Speaker 1: a thriller and as a fun popcorn movie that stars
Speaker 1: Harry Styles. But but the movie is so obsessed with
Speaker 1: itself as a satire that it really it sits in
Speaker 1: its own quiet and doesn't understand that it's quiet because
Speaker 1: nothing is happening. It's not quite it because we're waiting
Speaker 1: for something like and if we are like, it never happens.
Speaker 1: But it's not a very smart movie. And that is
Speaker 1: unfortunate because I think was a couple more passes of
Speaker 1: the script, it could have gone somewhere really fun. But
Speaker 1: ultimately is like, you know, and this is actually you know,
Speaker 1: saying a lot because step Ford Wives is not an
Speaker 1: A plus, but it's a C minus step Ford Wives.
Speaker 1: Of course you've seen the Paul Rudnick Nicole kick in
Speaker 1: Stepford Wives, right, I have, but it's it's a condom
Speaker 1: definitely B minus, but an A plus B minus is
Speaker 1: in my opinion, what guys, we're getting lots to let
Speaker 1: her create. I'm sorry, I would like to make one.
Speaker 1: I while watching Um, Don't Worry Darling, I asked myself,
Speaker 1: is this camp in the scene when Harry when Harry
Speaker 1: is dancing and she is melting down in the bathroom,
Speaker 1: and there were like many images of her in bathroom mirrors,
Speaker 1: and I was like, maybe this is camp. And then
Speaker 1: while watching Tar Tar without pretty pink dresses or Harry
Speaker 1: says dancing manages to use bathroom mirrors to be so
Speaker 1: much more camp than Don't Worry Darling could ever hope
Speaker 1: to be. Don't Worry Darling is camp. In the way
Speaker 1: they met, Gala thought it was camp. That that's how
Speaker 1: Don't Worry Darling is camp. Don't Worry Darling is showing
Speaker 1: up being like, aren't I interesting? And you're like, no,
Speaker 1: hunt and we shouldn't be doing this. But honestly, thank
Speaker 1: god for that press cycle because I genuinely think it
Speaker 1: got butts and seats. Yeah, no, it was like good
Speaker 1: for them. That meta narrative was better than the narrative. Oh,
Speaker 1: certainly much more interesting was what was happening off screen,
Speaker 1: which which which maybe they knew and they leaned into it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. The day of Chris Pine spit
Speaker 1: was just, I mean, amazing psychotic. That jump for me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah when when when we're wondering did
Speaker 1: a man spin on each other in this video? E O,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That to me was a little too
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed for me. Listen, guy, I want to ask you something.
Speaker 1: So you've had many workplace daughters. Yes, Cushier was your
Speaker 1: workplace daughter. I was your workplace. Daughter. Do you have
Speaker 1: this sort of relationship with Pat Reagan? Oh, my god,
Speaker 1: does he allow you to mother him? I prefer the
Speaker 1: term niece. And yes, Um, it's lovely working with Pat. Um.
Speaker 1: We didn't know each other very well before I started
Speaker 1: the job. I like called him and was like, what
Speaker 1: should I know about it? Um? He said that he
Speaker 1: liked all types of chocolate when I was talking about
Speaker 1: modeling chocolate, and so I sent him a pound of
Speaker 1: modeling chocolate to see and he was like, over the
Speaker 1: course of three days, it reminded me of duncle Ru's chocolate. Um,
Speaker 1: you know like that. Yes, I mean the thing is
Speaker 1: is like Hacks is actually filled with wonderful nieces. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's the Ariel Andrew laws appear. He's higher ranking in
Speaker 1: me on the show. He could never be my niece. Um,
Speaker 1: but Ariel Carl who reminds me so much of my
Speaker 1: actual niece. Uh. And it was wonderful. And then there
Speaker 1: is a delightful woman named Samantha Riley who uh is
Speaker 1: from Berkeley. And you know that's a good time. But yes,
Speaker 1: when news about someone hot comes up or I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the weirdness of the time at which
Speaker 1: we are taking a phone break. Uh, my niece Pat
Speaker 1: Regan is the person too who might address that. You know,
Speaker 1: I always for some reason, I'm sorry. I just want
Speaker 1: to say, Pattison the Dominican Republic doing an Atlantis event
Speaker 1: this week, and I did not know how she takes
Speaker 1: son like she really is turning into like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: a check porn twink over the age of thirty. And
Speaker 1: I'm really impressed. Yeah, Pat, Pat is good in the
Speaker 1: sun for sure. That I was gonna say. I always
Speaker 1: remember there was a moment when you too, when Matt
Speaker 1: was your niece. Always that will always be my name,
Speaker 1: that will always be the Matt and Olivia are sharing
Speaker 1: a room and the house dat Davis Um. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I always think of that. The coffee break in that
Speaker 1: room for you guys was like three pm, and I
Speaker 1: always and I was just because I just picture the
Speaker 1: both of you, like because the room went too long,
Speaker 1: two hands on, one cup, two hands on, just sipping
Speaker 1: their coffees, chatting kept me up. Talking about the weekend.
Speaker 1: Guy feels me with joy. And you always were, um,
Speaker 1: very encouraging and I always felt like very respected by
Speaker 1: you when whenever we worked together and that that made
Speaker 1: me feel good because I don't respect anyone more. You're
Speaker 1: so funny. And also the first show we worked on,
Speaker 1: there were no higher levels except for me there and
Speaker 1: watching you and Alan's Jew like behave like adults, pitched
Speaker 1: like adults. Everyone there was really funny, but like you
Speaker 1: guys came at it so hard with such strength that
Speaker 1: I really just earned undying respect for you guys. You
Speaker 1: behaved like co executive producers and I was like, those
Speaker 1: are people who are going to have fine careers. Well
Speaker 1: that's very n And Alice is Alice, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: everyone remember the name this season. This season on Hacks,
Speaker 1: I did pitch a character who was the first Asian
Speaker 1: female president of the Harvard Lampoon and was a working model.
Speaker 1: Will only wore black. Alice is not a working model,
Speaker 1: but I tried to have an Alice Jew based character
Speaker 1: in Paul Downs was immediately like, should we just call
Speaker 1: her Alice Jew? And I was like, all right, you're saying,
Speaker 1: I love that they're Alice is one of the most
Speaker 1: iconic people, like just in behavior, because she's she's truly
Speaker 1: darry Is. It is silent assassin. Also, I'll never forget
Speaker 1: her Oh she's I hope she's not bad that I
Speaker 1: say this. But Mama did not enjoy Harry Potter and
Speaker 1: the Forbidden Journey and the University Studios Hollywood. It did
Speaker 1: not go good. It upset her stomach. But we had
Speaker 1: a fabulous day there. Alice sucking rocks. I love her
Speaker 1: so much. She fucking right. I mean, like just bow
Speaker 1: and said it right. Remember the name. Um, listen, Um,
Speaker 1: we're sort of soaring into I don't think so, honey territory.
Speaker 1: But is there anything that you because I feel like
Speaker 1: the fact that you like we're that we're worthout like
Speaker 1: your weekly a pop rocket is totally missed. Let's just say,
Speaker 1: very very much. So what do you have to say
Speaker 1: that you feel has not been said about the culture?
Speaker 1: And this is a separate from I just want to
Speaker 1: give you the floor. Um, that's so sweet. I would say,
Speaker 1: getting to truly like venture to open my heart about
Speaker 1: tar was really what I was looking for. I mean,
Speaker 1: the things I have one I noticed after I saw
Speaker 1: the stablements, I just wanted to have a long talk
Speaker 1: about the stableman's And then a week later a quartered
Speaker 1: Judd Abataw and made him talk to me about the Tableman's.
Speaker 1: After I got out of Tar, I was just like
Speaker 1: I listening to every podcast I could talking about her,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I want to speak about
Speaker 1: and process Tar. But I would say the one thing
Speaker 1: I want people to know about the popular culture I
Speaker 1: will be expressing in my I don't think so, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what a segue. What do you say we're
Speaker 1: ready to thrust into this new So this is I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. This is our one minute segment
Speaker 1: in which we each take a minute to rail against
Speaker 1: something in the culture. Matt, do you want to get
Speaker 1: first watching you like, be dissatisfied with the way you
Speaker 1: just did that, because it's a one minute segment that
Speaker 1: we each take one minute and then you you'll never
Speaker 1: see this at home. But Bowen literally, like like halfheartedly
Speaker 1: threw his hand up and rolled his eyes at the
Speaker 1: fact that he said one minute too close together in
Speaker 1: proximity in the sentence. And that's why we love Bowen
Speaker 1: Yang and is the attention into detail. It's a Sunday
Speaker 1: and I was doing music video math in the edit
Speaker 1: room all day yesterday at work and I'm I'm my
Speaker 1: brain is host. I'm so sorry. Well it sounds like
Speaker 1: really fun math. I'll say music video math. It's it's
Speaker 1: kind of stressful math. Actually, music video math is stressful math.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Ryan Spears and Mike Diva for being
Speaker 1: champs in the room. I didn't know that. I love Ryan,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, just a pure star, mega star capital
Speaker 1: walks in the room. Is so warm and yet also
Speaker 1: has that effect in that quality of like sucking the
Speaker 1: air out like you you. She walks in the room
Speaker 1: and everybody pays at tension, even people who like like
Speaker 1: like Josh and Aaron talking about this like on set
Speaker 1: for for fucking identical Twins, like she'd walk like she
Speaker 1: came on and then like Crupy, who had no idea
Speaker 1: who she was, was like who is that? Who is that?
Speaker 1: Who is that person? Um? And she was so. The
Speaker 1: best thing a host can say going into s n
Speaker 1: L and that Monday meeting is I'm down for anything something.
Speaker 1: Some hosts come in and there's no, there's nothing fundamentally
Speaker 1: wrong with this. Some hosts come in and they go,
Speaker 1: I want to do like an Irish acts and I
Speaker 1: want to do with this. I want to I have
Speaker 1: this impression I have had that um, lovely it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's there's some directionality there, but the best thing
Speaker 1: that can happen is a host coming and going I'll
Speaker 1: do anything. And then they asked her, can you sing?
Speaker 1: And she goes, not really, well, but I'll do it.
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever, like that's the best. And I just
Speaker 1: agree with that she can sing, but um, it was
Speaker 1: so lovely all week and this is public knowledge. Seven
Speaker 1: pm on Friday, she finds out that her house in
Speaker 1: l A was broken into. Oh no, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know that, and that burglars like stole like three dollars
Speaker 1: and stuff, and she's crazy in l A like it's great,
Speaker 1: it's it's a big problem she's had. She's this this
Speaker 1: this lady who we all love, Like like, let's let's
Speaker 1: let her catch a break. She literally tweeted like she
Speaker 1: was like, this is what happened in my house got
Speaker 1: broken into. I have to be honest with y'all, like
Speaker 1: after us to know, like I need to take a
Speaker 1: break because this is just so emotionally and physically like
Speaker 1: so draining, and so I I'm not alexis not specifically,
Speaker 1: but it is giving, blingering, and it just feels I
Speaker 1: don't know, but but but the the nefarious thing is
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, she's in New York for us,
Speaker 1: and now let's go to her. You know, like let's
Speaker 1: case the joint and then robbed the place a day
Speaker 1: later or something. You know, she got dereaded, she got
Speaker 1: de read it. Anyway, Um, she was lovely. I find that,
Speaker 1: like she's been through so much ship and the stuff
Speaker 1: that she's been through often gets like minimized because like
Speaker 1: the tor Land stuff is crazy, Yeah yeah it is,
Speaker 1: um it's but she was. She was phenomenal. Everyone fell
Speaker 1: in love with her dot so just and and sorry
Speaker 1: not to be like this, but like watching her in
Speaker 1: the booth like just like kind of like on the
Speaker 1: track like recording, I was like, this is incredible. That
Speaker 1: must have been really cool to watch. It was, I
Speaker 1: mean it was. It was cool and wobble to just
Speaker 1: watch and then cool and Celestie and I were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's like saying the stuff that we wrote.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's awesome. But she was, She's she's just phenomenal. Anyway.
Speaker 1: The fact that she like put on a show on
Speaker 1: Saturday after going through an insane like life thing that
Speaker 1: she had to take care of as leam Michelle s Fanny,
Speaker 1: Bryce said, let's give him hell. Bryce will cry a
Speaker 1: little later. Well, Bryce, that's life in the theater and amazing.
Speaker 1: We are going to move on to I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Now that I've said that, now, are you ready? I am?
Speaker 1: This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey that we
Speaker 1: have to wait still for Midnights to come out. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited for Taylor swift new album Midnights. Who knows
Speaker 1: what we're gonna get? Are we gonna get more Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift with a hard R and a hard tea? You
Speaker 1: know her, She's that girl who's writes, writes down Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: She writes down all her lyrics and and she spills
Speaker 1: her heart. Or are we getting Taylor Swift with a
Speaker 1: long a and a soft I think? Are we getting
Speaker 1: that hip hit hip? Are we getting big stadium pop?
Speaker 1: Are we getting a mixture of both? What kept Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift up at night that she was able to make
Speaker 1: a concept album called Midnights? We're gonna find out on Thursday.
Speaker 1: But I don't think so, honey, Do I have to
Speaker 1: second tell her. Swift is one of my favorite artists
Speaker 1: and I want her album right now. I just know
Speaker 1: that this album is going to be one that I
Speaker 1: listened to on repeat and everyone is going to be
Speaker 1: doing the same. I don't think so, honey, that I
Speaker 1: have to still sit in silence until I fill the
Speaker 1: air with the sound of Midnight and that's one minute. Wow,
Speaker 1: the enthusiasm, and I'm sorry, reader. You should see Matt
Speaker 1: sort of turned off the switch in his brain and
Speaker 1: now his face is fully neutral and even angry. I
Speaker 1: would say it was so tiring. It was really hard
Speaker 1: to be effusive. Bow. You know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you do it. You're You're one of the most effusive
Speaker 1: people I know, and you're doing so well and people
Speaker 1: love you for it. I am pretty effusive. So Matt
Speaker 1: is Matt is just a true luminaire. You see it
Speaker 1: like and literally you see the light from within, like
Speaker 1: I love this man. But also, and I don't think
Speaker 1: so you spent like that is why you always created
Speaker 1: it because you have so much to give and it
Speaker 1: is a forum for giving your everything. Thank you for
Speaker 1: saying that there is nothing there is no greater um
Speaker 1: compliment than what you just said. Thank you for saying it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Um Bowen, are you
Speaker 1: ready and excited to do your adam think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I'm excited period. This is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Using
Speaker 1: gut health as a way to mask and eating disorder, okay,
Speaker 1: there are people out here who are using these two
Speaker 1: words to be like, I'm eating chia seeds all day,
Speaker 1: every day, and that's it, and that's for my gut health.
Speaker 1: No you want like like they know, they say the
Speaker 1: ship that's fine, but then they always ended with look
Speaker 1: at my abs, that's gut health. That's chia seeds or
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck they're drinking and eating. Okay, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's so fructing transparent to me that the people who
Speaker 1: are not experts, who are not qualified to be giving
Speaker 1: up this advice on TikTok or fucking Instagram reels to
Speaker 1: be like, it's gut health, it's gut health. You don't
Speaker 1: know the first thing about the damn microbiome in your
Speaker 1: fucking stomach. You don't know one name one of the
Speaker 1: trillions of bacteria ensigns that are in there. I dare
Speaker 1: you then I'll pay you a thousands dollars if you're
Speaker 1: gonna fucking chill for she has. I don't know what
Speaker 1: she has seeds my example, but gut health is a
Speaker 1: legitimate thing, but it's being used as a mask. Wow, guys, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Teddy Mellencamp whatever. And the way that I get
Speaker 1: my gut health together as I starve myself to sign
Speaker 1: up for the app that literally if if, if you're
Speaker 1: a true dietitian, like someone who has a title whatever
Speaker 1: this is, I don't mean like accountability coach. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: saying like just this this kind of like there's a
Speaker 1: fun there's a very thin line and gut health is
Speaker 1: a concept that is you know, real and that can
Speaker 1: be very drink stay regular, very that there's some of
Speaker 1: these influencer folks out there in the influencing space, which
Speaker 1: is a very powerful space as we know, and people
Speaker 1: wield a lot of power in that space for for
Speaker 1: good reasons, for bad reasons, for mutual reasons. They're they're
Speaker 1: kind of pushing the gut health agenda in a way
Speaker 1: that is I think a little a little shady. I
Speaker 1: think a little little scary. And no one is saying
Speaker 1: she has seeds are not a super food. We all
Speaker 1: except that they love like as tech runners who needed
Speaker 1: to get through a day. It took by the historian.
Speaker 1: But it is not. But it is not the entirety
Speaker 1: of a diet. It is not a way of life.
Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. Guy, who is the
Speaker 1: most interesting historical figure? Oh? Do you know who? Hypatia
Speaker 1: of Alexandria was the name. They made a Rachel Vice
Speaker 1: movie about her. She was a leady mathematician in Alexandria
Speaker 1: and she um uh like figured like she like figured
Speaker 1: out a bunch of stuff about the way the planets moved. Um.
Speaker 1: And then they killed her and they cut her they
Speaker 1: cut her skin off with pieces of pots because they
Speaker 1: thought she was a witch, because she was not Christian
Speaker 1: or the other thing they were supposed to be. A man. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean that's probably not the answer, But I love Alexandria.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy I asked. So this is guy Brownhams.
Speaker 1: I don't think are you ready and ready to steam? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: your time starts now. People who leave the History Channel
Speaker 1: show alone because they miss their family. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Honey Alone is a television program on the History Channel
Speaker 1: where people are dropped somewhere in the Canadian. We'll gonna
Speaker 1: depend modern objects and I have to survive as long
Speaker 1: as they can. And people do not leave because they
Speaker 1: miss their family. They leave because they're starving. They leave
Speaker 1: because they tried really hard to kill a deer and
Speaker 1: did not kill a deer. They leave because their gill
Speaker 1: let did not work. And I am tired of these people.
Speaker 1: Like Real Trea Second Fighters on a loan, they get
Speaker 1: pulled off of the show because they love so much
Speaker 1: weight that their blood pressure is artificially uh reduced. Those
Speaker 1: people leave like heroes. But people who leave because they
Speaker 1: miss their family are fucking weak. And if they got
Speaker 1: one of the ten spots to go on alone, they
Speaker 1: should let themselves slowly starve to death the way that
Speaker 1: everyone else does and not be whiny about how, oh
Speaker 1: I didn't properly process my daughter dying two years ago.
Speaker 1: Get over it and catch some fish. I don't think so. Really,
Speaker 1: that's one minute. Are you guys caught up on Survivor
Speaker 1: of this season? Yes? I am talk about it. This
Speaker 1: is my tar and survivor to too pieces of missed
Speaker 1: homework survived, Tar, I have some personalities. You've got a
Speaker 1: good season on our hands, and but I'm excited for
Speaker 1: you to binge when you do finally get some And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, we're deserved time off. The man
Speaker 1: doesn't stop. Oh my god. I like that. There's no premise.
Speaker 1: I like that there's no premise. And Matt, did you
Speaker 1: spot when there was the thing about the woman who
Speaker 1: was accused of cheating at professional poker? Did you realize
Speaker 1: that the guy who accused her of cheating um was
Speaker 1: brains versus bronze versus beauty. He was the hot, the
Speaker 1: hot Jewish poker player on the rains. Wow, unbelievable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Who is your front runner for this season? Oh? I forget.
Speaker 1: I feel like I binged all three of them very quickly,
Speaker 1: and I feel like it takes me five episodes to
Speaker 1: just have them coalesced in front of me. What do
Speaker 1: you think The answer is? Carla um a name like Carla.
Speaker 1: She is an iconic um Latin X lesbian who sort
Speaker 1: of is sort of giving Richard Hatch in the way
Speaker 1: she's observing it all and her social game plan has
Speaker 1: been on display, and you know she's getting a good
Speaker 1: edit because they constantly cut to her to just comments
Speaker 1: on things. And the edit that she's getting is the
Speaker 1: all seeing but also very doing player, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's giving under the radar in a
Speaker 1: way that other people think they are or not tragic.
Speaker 1: I'm saying a name like Carla is tough. Like if
Speaker 1: there's a Carla on Survivor, you know they're going far
Speaker 1: period period, you should you that's and that's a rule
Speaker 1: of culture. Which one is that again? I'm forgetting fifty eight.
Speaker 1: That's real numb there. You know they're going far. I
Speaker 1: would encourage you to just try, just try a little
Speaker 1: bit of alone on the History Channel. If people went
Speaker 1: on Survivor and there were no social game and also
Speaker 1: they were mostly white supremacists. Okay, a question I needed
Speaker 1: the answer to it sounds like yeah, okay, good, good good.
Speaker 1: I mean I have a big night tonight, Potomac is on.
Speaker 1: You do you don't really engage with the House fives.
Speaker 1: I don't, and that's a shame. We would encourage you
Speaker 1: to start to be honest. Okay. The thing is is
Speaker 1: I from Chelsea Lately, I have like two seasons of
Speaker 1: New York and like, and I tried to watch all
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills so that I would have more to
Speaker 1: toxic gay guys about. Um, but I crapped out just
Speaker 1: after the backdoor pilot for Vanderpunk Rules. Um, but I
Speaker 1: would like to be more conversant in these things, like
Speaker 1: you guys. There are so many times when I listen
Speaker 1: to your podcast and there are just like fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: of and I'm like, I would And also, enough of
Speaker 1: these things are people should not be using the word
Speaker 1: of viva without me being able to engage it. If
Speaker 1: you're using the Hebrew word for spring, I want to
Speaker 1: know what's going on. My god, you're so right. I
Speaker 1: feel like your drag name is should be a viva.
Speaker 1: A guy, I would just recommend you start with Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City and get caught up there because there's the
Speaker 1: least homework to do, and it's it's very much top
Speaker 1: of mind conversationally for for for gay guys and and
Speaker 1: the culture at large. Time. It's all right, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna like it because it's a crime thriller. Also here
Speaker 1: lots of Jews. There is to Lisa and Meredith or no,
Speaker 1: Lisa is Mormon down, but she's culturally Jewish Jewish. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so Lisa and Meredith, Meredith, she's Jewish. And then but
Speaker 1: it's obviously and I do think that you will find
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting stuff in there about the Mormon
Speaker 1: of it all. Definitely. Well, look, there are moments in
Speaker 1: life that you will remember, and this was one of them.
Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry, I did a quick google. If
Speaker 1: you heard typing sounds, I was just quickly googling Lisa
Speaker 1: Barlow Jewish and yeah, your family was Jewish, but she
Speaker 1: was not lovely Jewish. Yeah, okay, Well, thank you for
Speaker 1: a lovely less culture ristas. I have missed you guys
Speaker 1: a great deal. I was lovely to have some talk.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this was this was truly the best
Speaker 1: part of my week. And to have good meat to
Speaker 1: chew on and to have thank you for making me
Speaker 1: watched Maybe wouldn't have watched it, you know what. I
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't believe you would not have
Speaker 1: watched it. I mean it made it might have taken
Speaker 1: me like months or something. You know, frequently, here's the thing,
Speaker 1: like Bowen is gonna see it. I'm gonna I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wager that Bowen will will get will see
Speaker 1: at something over the next week, even I think that
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be able to stand it um. And
Speaker 1: then it's gonna occupy time on next week's episode two
Speaker 1: because I just know he's going to have a lot
Speaker 1: to say, even if it's a different opinion than us. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all wager that it won't be too different.
Speaker 1: My two very smart friends have made very interesting points,
Speaker 1: but bow and Yang is first and for aelmost his
Speaker 1: own person. Absolutely, it's very true. Okay, Well, we end
Speaker 1: every episode of the song good good good good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to listen to that song Beachless, Listen the beach Boys,
Speaker 1: good vibrations, Smile Lost, Brian will Doan. Yang is revealing
Speaker 1: his knowledge of I love the Boys. He loves American culture.
Speaker 1: Fine fe