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Speaker 1: on where it's like we're getting lost in the sauce

427
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: too much, Like let's just pull out and just be like, oh,

428
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: like this works this place, Let's move on, Like there's

429
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: it's it's sometimes it do be getting a little too

430
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: to too granular. Did you know that that was actually

431
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: a narrative in Bone and I early friendship What he

432
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: mean was that we would scream at each other at

433
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: each other's shows, scream Like I remember, like I would

434
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 1: do sketches and Bone would come to the hammer Cut

435
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: shows and he would be laughing, and I was like,

436
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: that's my girl out there. And when I would go

437
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: see Danger Buck shows and then Bone do improv, I

438
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: would be screaming and to the point where people were like, yeah,

439
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: you really laughed a lot, and I was like, and

440
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: then I wasn't self aware enough to be self conscious.

441
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: I was just simply too up in the feelings of joy.

442
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing better than that feeling of falling

443
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: in love with somebody's comic voice. There's nothing better than

444
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: just sort of like period. You know, one of the

445
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: great things about stand up is like constantly having these

446
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: new people show up and you're just like, I just

447
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: want to know what this person is going to do,

448
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: like that you did that for us, did that for us,

449
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: but also I just enjoyed so much what you did

450
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: at Like, I will never forget that I got to

451
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: meet Matt through his performance. I appreciate very greatly. Boh

452
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: and I just had to meet at a gay party.

453
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: Um surrounded by gay is talking about how much pick

454
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: point they had? What? Okay, So that night that I

455
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: met you, there was this guy who attempted to brag

456
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: to me about how much big point he had, and

457
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: I was just like, fuck you. I did not say this,

458
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: but my attitude was generally, I'm from Los Angeles. You

459
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: should not brag to me about how rich you are.

460
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: You should brag to me about your industry power or fame,

461
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: and your fame should perceive sure. Um. And then since then,

462
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: all I can think about is how much big point

463
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: he had he had? This was no he had like

464
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: in the tens of thousands of belief like that is,

465
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: if he is held on to a very wealthy man,

466
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: good for him. Good. He needs to get back in

467
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: touch with you. Now it seems like you might be

468
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: interested in what he has to say. He might be

469
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: a very wealthy person, now I know, but there are

470
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: stealth crypto fags out there, and they're and they're among us.

471
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: Oh I know them. They're they're really among us, and

472
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: and then I celebrate them. It was it was very

473
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: much like it was a man wearing a blazer at um,

474
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, at gay nights, and he had that feel

475
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: about him, and I was just like I'm from the

476
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: West Coast. I don't know how to deal with gay

477
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: nights wear. You recall it was in New York. It

478
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: was was it called pretty? Was it called pretty ugly?

479
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: Or yes? Yes, do you ugly? I remember that party?

480
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: Was that was that was at the hotel? It was not,

481
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: but it was like it was in the venue of

482
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: some sort of weird Tony and Tina's wedding, like U

483
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: interactive theater experience. And I just remember being unused to

484
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: Hell's Kitchen and having dancer bodies all over the place.

485
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: Anytime somebody had very visible packs in a very visible

486
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: ask underneath their clothes, I went up and asked if

487
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: they were Broadway Spider Man and Matt Wilkas really Matt

488
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: Wilkes was a Spider Man. Yes, did you know that?

489
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: Of course he really was Spider Man. No, there was

490
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: one time he was We were at a party at

491
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Selth's house and he was having back pain and

492
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: everyone was very solicitous about, like offering help. I was like,

493
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: why they do they care so much? And then I

494
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh, these are injuries he sustained as the

495
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: Spider Man. That's why everybody care. So much. Wow, Like, honestly,

496
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: just to be on the front lines at Spider Man

497
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: Turn Off the Dark, one of the greatest theatrical wars

498
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: we've seen. When a Rockney swag from the ceiling, honey

499
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: people people were killed. Nobody was killed. I bought the

500
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: book about it, but I have not read it. There's

501
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: the book History. I love an oral history. Can I

502
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: say it feels like the girls can really talk ship.

503
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: I want them to do a oral history for a

504
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: fire Island so bad so everyone can know all of

505
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: it too. I'm ready to spill. But when did you

506
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: read the Tom Shan's book before you went to I've

507
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: never given it a full read, and I've read bits,

508
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: and I would like hop around like the eraors that

509
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: I loved. I did like, I did like pre seventy five,

510
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: and like the first couple of seasons, like all the

511
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: way up to the New Orleans episode, and then I

512
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: went to like the nineties, and then I went to

513
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: like and then they for the forty they did an update,

514
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: and I assume they'll do one for the fiftieth too.

515
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: But okay, but this is my question, and please please

516
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: comment on this. I'm like, is it too like I

517
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: would never be caught dead on the subway, like eating

518
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: a hard copy of that? Can you imagine? Like the slsgusting?

519
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: But do I do? I do think it's worth giving

520
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: it a full read through? Right? Is that terrible of me? No?

521
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: I like, I don't think so. I love doing research.

522
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: I love doing research about anything, and I feel like

523
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: it's weird to start work with somebody about whom you

524
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: can know a great deal and to not know a

525
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: great deal about them. I feel like I dropped the

526
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: ball every time I didn't I tell you grows story.

527
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: When we did the table read for the only other

528
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: movie I've been in No Strings Attached with Natalie Portman,

529
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: I sat next to this woman and I was like,

530
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: Balsom is her last name? Is this Martin Balstoon's daughter?

531
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: Do I not remember? And then I only as I

532
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: was leaving, I was like, guy, that is the only

533
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: other woman who's been that at that time, the only

534
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: person who've been married to George Clooney, Miss Challi of

535
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: Balston now married to uh what's his name from? From

536
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: mad men um John Slattery. Yes, And that was a

537
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: situation where if I had prepared properly, I would have

538
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: been able to like make her my end within ninety seconds.

539
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: And then I asked professions about being married to George Clooney,

540
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: and I dropped the ball. I have to say, I

541
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: had forgotten that she is also an instrument in that

542
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: great symphony of a film. Like one of my favorite

543
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: things ever is that is that the supporting cast of

544
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: that movie is what it is. I mean, the supporting

545
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: cast of that movie is all over the place, and

546
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: it's always fun to know, Like Olivia Thurrowby, you and

547
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: I have add. One time on the streets in Manhattan,

548
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: Olivia Thornby accosted me and she was she was like,

549
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: I know you. He was like your errand's publicist or

550
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: something like that. I was like, nowhere in a movie together.

551
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you're not. Like she was very certain

552
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: who I was, and it was like accessory gay to

553
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: someone she knows that. I was like, no, we were,

554
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: I Olivia Thurnby, you saw Juno and you were like,

555
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: who is that? Yes? Yeah, I feel like she should

556
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: be doing into this mold now of like I can

557
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: see her so clearly in my mind, like in a

558
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: movie now. Yes, it must be so rough for those

559
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: people who have to have somebody else create the correct

560
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: vehicle for them, you know what I mean? And there

561
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: is something so nice about just being like, well, the

562
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: thing that is holding me back is that I have

563
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: been too lazy or unfocused to put together the thing

564
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: I need to for myself period. I mean literally the

565
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: daily struggle. But wait, what this iconic Mattin Bowen moment

566
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: brings me to someone who is finally getting a moment.

567
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: Bowen took me years ago to go see the film

568
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: with Thoroughbreds and it starred Annie teller Joy, who, of

569
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: course you know, popped all the way off, and the

570
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: other actress was Olivia Cook, who I thought was just

571
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: as good. I was like, the girl gives a stunning

572
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: performance and I have been waiting for years for her

573
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: to find that, and now she is, I guess in

574
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: the Dragon Show. She's full on in the House of

575
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: the Dragon. And she's of course going viral right now

576
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: for that Nerons Bagliato with Echo. It's just that's her.

577
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: She's oh stunned, And I was like, wow, for this

578
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: to be not The Dragon Show, but for this meme

579
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: to be your vehicle to great success. You go, girl?

580
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: Am I missing something? Is it? Just is it just

581
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: popping off because they said it sexy or something. I

582
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: think that's kind of what I mean, rich bisexual energy

583
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: of maybe a sort that it eludes me. Sure, sure, sure,

584
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: well now it's the drink of the fall. I don't

585
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: fucking now. Although bartenders are slamming their absolute head into

586
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: the wall because they don't want to be this is

587
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: the cycle now of like conventional like seasonally conventional cocktails

588
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: where it's like everyone's ordering is my special Martinez, everyone's

589
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: ordering like dirty Shirley's. Everyone's ordering appalls like like it's

590
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: trends are going to shift. Trends are going to shift.

591
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: You have to deal with the waves that come Outders.

592
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: I actually I want to recommend both of you reading

593
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: material if you want. Yes, I'm reading this book now.

594
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm reading this book now. You actually would both love

595
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: this uh by this guy named W. David Marks. I think.

596
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: But this the book is just called Status and Culture,

597
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: and it basically writes about how, like the reason why

598
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: trend cycles are so quick now is because because status

599
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: is broken down, and like people who have high status

600
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: aren't respected as much as they used to, and people

601
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: with low status kind of have the pseudo high stad like,

602
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: so it's all mixed up. And the show that I

603
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: just sold to a d C. He's about thank you,

604
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: what is terrible wreck, But it's about three families with

605
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: the same income who have different classes, and just the

606
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: fact that we don't talk about the way that class

607
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: is not just a factor of how much money you make,

608
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: but truly like how metal is your straw and how

609
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: you know orange is your cocktail and like that. So

610
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: that actually sounds like perfect reading material for me right now,

611
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: responsible research. It's interesting, it's it's a very great book

612
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: that pertains to things that we think about anyway, a

613
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: of you. But no, to pivot back to Tara, one

614
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: of one of the things that was amazing on the

615
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: Tar was like re rooting yourself in this Bury Manhattan

616
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: world of people who are so certain that they have

617
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: control of the culture. And it is such like an

618
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: abstruse and rarefied and weird world that like most people

619
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: don't care about. But still, you know, the people in

620
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: control still get down on their knees and suck the

621
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: dick of Lydiatar. Petri's father, Yes, Petra's father. There's a

622
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: scene blin where it's not a spoiler, but she finds

623
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: she finds out her daughter is being bullied at school,

624
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: and she shows up and goes over to this truly

625
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: eight year old girl and is like shoes the other

626
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: girls away that that are standing with her having a

627
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: conversation and she kind of gets down on her level

628
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: and she goes She says, I'm Petri's father, and she

629
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: basically says to her, if you ever messed with my

630
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: daughter again, I'm gonna get you. And if you tell

631
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: any adults, they will not believe you, so you can,

632
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: which you can do if you want, but I'm just

633
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: telling you it has to stop or I'm going to

634
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: get you and no one will believe you because I'm

635
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: an adult. And she, the little girl, goes away, but

636
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: it's iconic and her performance is so again just like

637
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: so fearsome but controlled. What what I was pulling from

638
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: what you were saying, guy, was I think that the

639
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: more I work in this industry, the more I realized

640
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: that these people that have been lifted up and put

641
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: on pedestals, like there's always an ass to show at

642
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: some point. And what I love about Cape Blenchett's performance

643
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: in Tar is it is the best performance of a

644
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: douche bag I have ever seen. She is such a

645
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: douche And you start watching it and you think, because

646
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: of the way the movie is presenting itself and the

647
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: way that she presents herself in the film, and the

648
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: way that the film is sort of, you know, presenting her,

649
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: you think, oh, this must be something I should take seriously.

650
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: This must be like a stark drama about whatever is

651
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: going on here. And then you realize it's actually very

652
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: explicitly a satire. It is a laugh out loud and

653
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: it's hilarious. Yeah, is it? Is? It sort of like

654
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: by the end of the movie, you're like, Oh, who

655
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: the funk cares that she's this conductor? I mean, the

656
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: thing is what's beautiful about it is like she's a genius.

657
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: And there's never a moment that you question she's a genius.

658
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: But there are so many moments where you think about

659
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: the ways that politics and ruthlessness and talent and hard

660
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: work the way like what makes a genius, Like it

661
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: really isn't what makes a genius, And so frequently when

662
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: they asked we asked that question, it's like, well, I

663
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: guess we have to put up with what Mozart is

664
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: doing because he gives us this music. And this is

665
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: not like this is a movie that like is not saying,

666
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: oh well, we have to put up with it. He's

667
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: so good at what he does and we shouldn't be

668
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: talking about it because you should be able to experience it. Okay,

669
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: Oh but this is so interesting to me. This is

670
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: so interesting to me because I keep running into this

671
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: thing where like people don't ultimately give a shit about

672
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 1: what I do. I don't give a about what other

673
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: people do who get mad at the stuff that I'm

674
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: being I'm sort of talking around a lot of things.

675
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: But like, so, like the other thing the book talks

676
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: about is like status groups, and that are there are

677
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: different conventions among different status groups, and that there are

678
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: different markers of status in those groups, in different hierarchies

679
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: within those anyway, Um, is this something that's sort of

680
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: I think so. I think the fact that you are

681
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: actually reading this is going to lend itself to a

682
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: very interesting read on the movie, because because it's also

683
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: a lot about the packaging and presentation of genius, you

684
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like it's like this sort

685
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: of agreed upon fact that this character Lydia tar Is.

686
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: Basically she's like the closest thing to Mozart since Mozart.

687
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean, she breathes art and knowing that about herself

688
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: and knowing that she has to maintain that, there comes

689
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: with that, like, of course, the douche baggery I'm talking

690
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: about that that has to happen whenever you're talking about

691
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: your own accomplishments. And but it's just such an incredible

692
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: study of someone who has bought their own hype to

693
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: the point where they actually have forgotten who they are

694
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: at all, and people don't matter to her because she's

695
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: not a grounded, emotional human being, Like there's one relationship

696
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: in her life is not transactional, which is actually a

697
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: line that said to her by her wife. She's like,

698
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: You've got one relationship in your life that isn't transactional.

699
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: That's one of your daughter. But then I also think

700
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: that that relationship is transactional in many ways. So it's

701
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: a very can I hear that? Can I hear that

702
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: argument from you? Because there was there was a journalist

703
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: who quoted that as though we're her own one relationship

704
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: in her life isn't transactional, And I'm like, that's in

705
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: the movie, and also anything that's did to you in

706
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: a movie, you should question. But I want to hear

707
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: your like, my opinion on her is that and you

708
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: see this in at the end of the movie. I

709
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: think she's obviously she's a disgusting person. She's InCred of

710
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: we talented, and I think that she, like any predator um,

711
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: the number one thing she covets is control, and I

712
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: think that she wants to dominate. And I think that obviously,

713
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, we don't get into her backstory a ton,

714
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: but we see enough that she's obviously very ashamed of. Yes,

715
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: maybe a certain segment of real I'm not saying too much.

716
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: But the thing is, like what I felt in that scene,

717
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: which is obviously sort of the relationship she has with

718
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: her daughter is summed up in this scene with the

719
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: child when she goes and intimidates the bully at school.

720
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: Is this is another way she can get off on

721
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: being a dominator. So it's it's less about protecting her

722
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: daughter and more about being able to enter a space

723
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: and let someone know that if she wanted to, she

724
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: could ruin your life. And I think that that also

725
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: comes into play at the end of the film. When

726
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: you see you know where she ends up. Because while

727
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: that atmosphere is so insane and surreal to behold and

728
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: you leave the movie thinking what the fuck, it is

729
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: still an environment that she can dominate and that ultimately

730
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: is the number one most important thing to her. No

731
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: matter how much she justifies to herself that it's about art,

732
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: it's actually about dominance. I'm sure she loves music, I'm

733
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: sure that she loves what she does, and she's incredibly

734
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: talented at it. But it is very clear to me

735
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: that this person is a classic Capital P predator because

736
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: what they want most of all is to be well.

737
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: There's the facto dominator of any circumstance. There's the way

738
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: that you see people, we see people around us who

739
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: seek fame to some extent so that they can stop

740
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 1: being people. They sort of want to stop being people.

741
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: And there's that weird way that like watching Lydiatar try

742
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: to compose in a room on her own with no

743
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: one telling her how great she is, she has so

744
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: little capacity can do to figure out what she should

745
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: be composing. And the thing is is, like I think

746
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: that this is the truth. It's so aren't for people

747
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: who are successful to get off of their own bullshit

748
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: enough to making things. And when I see the people

749
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: who do that, I am always really impressed, you know,

750
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: the people who well, when there's eyes on you, I

751
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: think that. I think, like it's so true too. It's like,

752
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: even if you're the most creative person ever and you're

753
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: a prolific person, when there are eyes on you, like

754
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: the way that you create work just changes. I mean,

755
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: like when you're working around in a basement when we

756
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: met you, Like, it's harder to create with people watching

757
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: it just is. It's interesting to see it play out

758
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: in this movie because it's not just that people are

759
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: watching what she seems comfortable with. It's that she has

760
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: to think about um, the way she may be responsible

761
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: to a certain situation and she cannot get out of

762
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: her own way. And I do think that that what's

763
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: interesting about that is watching that converge with the idea

764
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: of creating art and whether or not even fucking matters,

765
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: you know, because ultimately it doesn't. It doesn't fucking matter

766
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: at the end of the movie that she's a genius.

767
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: That's why we almost never hear any of her work.

768
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: It doesn't fucking matter. This is a at an individual

769
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: who's here's something, and I might say this is someone

770
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: who's not seeing the movie. So this is probably total

771
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: total to the opposite of creation or creativity is control,

772
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: because if you're creating something, you're sort of putting it

773
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: out into the world, and for control, you're controlling something,

774
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: you're just sort of inserting yourself on something that's already there. Yeah,

775
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean whatever that is. That, I mean, that's that's

776
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: absolutely true. And like, once you have status, part of

777
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: you is always going to be conservative to try to

778
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: control and maintain that status, and you're not gonna be

779
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: able to make those same kinds of risks. Is why

780
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: I always try to when Twitter becomes like unrepentant ship talking,

781
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: I always try so hard to remind myself how much

782
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: I would be shipped talking to be funny in the

783
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: same way if I were twenty. You know, Like, I

784
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: just think there is that feeling of like striking out

785
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: from powerlessness does have a great deal of creative, chaotic

786
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: energy to its yep, And I have to respect that

787
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 1: well at the same time being almost constantly annoyed by it. Yeah,

788
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: well you know you can, don't. Like we all are

789
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: participating in what we're in the atmosphere that we're given

790
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: to participate. I think about that all the time. It's

791
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: just like, you know, to go from snarky facts online

792
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: to get people actually sometimes give us the opportunity to

793
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: do this, and then to be faccots that are snarked at.

794
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: We deserve it, you know what I mean. Ultimately, it's

795
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: also like you can't get too mad because you know,

796
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: but it's it's just it's a really, really, really fascinating

797
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: interesting movie. And I also think like if if people

798
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: were listening to this episode in like a bubble and

799
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: like didn't understand like much about the movie, it this

800
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: might sound like a snobby film, like or like we're

801
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: the way we're talking about it, it's really not. It's

802
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: so it's like when I when I realized it was

803
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: a comedy, I felt like I felt free. And I

804
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: feel like the fact that they're kind of withholding that

805
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: that's what it is is really genius and smart well,

806
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: and he's one of those things where if you were

807
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: but like not Whittaker who cares too much about classical music,

808
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: will be able to enjoy it and get joked with

809
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: that movie that don't make sense to me? But I

810
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: almost think that watching it as an outsider is more

811
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: fun because it is this like contain space of a

812
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: world that like I know nothing about, and it's not

813
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: about that world. It's just about the power dynamics that

814
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: have in any world. Yeah. Yeah. I also left the

815
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: movie being like, okay, like when I didn't like it,

816
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: which was my which was my reality for about again,

817
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: like probably six to seven hours, I was like, well

818
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: fuck that. I thought, Well, I'll tell you what's not brilliant.

819
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: The idea of like a conductor who like manipulates um,

820
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, time and sound also like that one to

821
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: one being like she's a manipulator of people too, Like

822
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: that is not brilliant. It is not genius. And I

823
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: was like, I don't like this. But what is brilliant

824
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: and genius is someone who genuinely believes that they are

825
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: manipulating time, sound, energy, and the feeling and temperature of

826
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: a room, thinking they can get away with other stuff

827
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: to this extent the belief the character study is interesting

828
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: and that's all it is. It reminded me a little

829
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: bit of the Tempest in just being a character study

830
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: of somebody whose power has gone to their head at

831
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: the end of the fablements. I was like, so fascinated

832
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: by all of these choices that Spielberg had made, but

833
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: I was not swept away, and tar completely swept me away. Wow,

834
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: how's your tip? Talk about Toronto? When I was getting

835
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: to go to the Toronto International Film Festival. There are

836
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: stories around that that I would tell you boys when

837
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: it is not being recorded. But okay, oh is it

838
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: don't worry Darling stuff because I'm gagged now it's not,

839
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: don't I didn't realize that don't Worry Darling was happening.

840
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: And then they were just like screaming children all over

841
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: the place, and I was very excited. Oh but the

842
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: magical story is just that there is a venerable Canadian

843
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: political writer who is married to Canada's former governor general.

844
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: And I asked them to go with me to the

845
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: premiere and they were they were like, we can't, but

846
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: you should come over to the house and like have

847
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: tea with us. And so I went over to John

848
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: Ralston Saul In Adrian Clarkson's house two days after the

849
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: Queen died and had these people who would like you know,

850
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: spent many a night at one of the Queen's houses

851
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: had to hung out with the Queen many times. Um

852
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: just sort of analyzing what that meant for the future

853
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: of Canada. And that was my tiff right there, of

854
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: you being in tiff in Toronto, on Canadian soil, the Commonwealth,

855
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: and I feel like wow, also got full. Scott Thompson

856
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: got ful. Scott Thompson like b I he was oh

857
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: wait wait He and Joel came to the Bros. Premiere.

858
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: Scott Thompson was there. Scott Thompson was there, and like

859
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: I got I talked to Scott way too much. And

860
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: then I ended up being in boys Town and he

861
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: was at a birthday party that was at the barn

862
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: next store, and we ended up paying it all day long.

863
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: And then I came home and turned on the news

864
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: and he was on CBC processing the death of the queen.

865
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: Before it was it was just I had always said,

866
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: I always said, when the Queen dies, I will take

867
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: the day off work. Like when the queen dies, I

868
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: will need to take the day off work. But I

869
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: did not take the day off of hacks Jen stats.

870
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: He was very open that it was a possibility, but

871
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: I powered through. I you know, kept calm and carrying

872
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: on um. But it was you know, it was just

873
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: with all of the meaning that she has for billions

874
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: of people around the planet, it was just sort of

875
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: a change of an era and getting to be somewhere

876
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: where they were really taking it seriously in a lot

877
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: of different ways. Mental last me, I'm disappointed that you

878
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: didn't keep your promise to yourself that you should have

879
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: taken off, should have taken the day off. I mean, yes,

880
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: it's like out of respect, but truly I did miss

881
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: an hour of work to talk to John Roston Saul

882
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: about what he thinks for the future of the Canadian monarchy. Oh,

883
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: I cannot repeat those on anything broadcast able. So it

884
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: wasn't positive. Is it a collapsive meaning? And so therefore

885
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: the Canadians will fully go crazy and nihilist. He had

886
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: a vision, had a vision of the future that was

887
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: more holy Canadian um. And I really like it was

888
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: fascinating to hear from just like this very very venerable

889
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: political philosopher about what it means. And it was super fun.

890
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you something, and this is going

891
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: to be more emotional. Did you cry? You said tears.

892
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I knew that when the Queen died,

893
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: I would cry. And the thing is like, I don't

894
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: buy that mean to imply that I think that British

895
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: monarchy is good or has not been a terribly terribly

896
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: destructive thing. I just think that a stable icon of

897
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: my childhood, you know, not like my dad was great

898
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: and terrible in lots of ways. I cry about him

899
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: being dead, this person who represented stability and and sort

900
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: of one thing I think when you are a too

901
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: bright faggot growing up in the United States, seeing and

902
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: also in sort of like an anti intellectual farm town,

903
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: thinking about like Britain and its tradition seems very very fancy,

904
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: and then you are exposed to them directly and you're like,

905
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: who do these people think they are? Um? And so

906
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't anything uh crying for lost innocence? Absolutely, do

907
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: you think that mL Stanton is going to tear? Okay?

908
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: I had no problem with EML Di Stantin and Holy School.

909
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: I convey to me to load them mel distunting And

910
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: so now I don't know. I mean, the thing is

911
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: just like and she was a B plus rose, and

912
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: the thing is just like I learned of her as

913
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: one of the lovees, as one of Emma Thompson's close

914
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: personal friends from Footlights who hung out and made things together.

915
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: And I was just like, she's one of the cool people.

916
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: And then I was just like, oh god, she is

917
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: a little much like she she can be a little much.

918
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: And we had been promised Chrish Likeker came back with

919
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: the t like six years ago that Peter Morgan was

920
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: asking Dame Helen Miran to come back. And you know,

921
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit as though I did not

922
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: get the Dame two seasons and Dame Helen Mirren I

923
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: wanted and veryan sent for Leslie Manville. I'm very excited

924
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: everything that's coming for us. I mean, the crown and

925
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: Mrs Vicky is gonna she's really good. He showed fucking

926
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: dumb with Diana story. I have to say, like, I

927
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, one more Diana story, But I

928
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: do feel like this will be the last one for

929
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: a while, because we have true the bubble has truly burst. Burst.

930
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: Lewis's joke about how we're only six or seven movies

931
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: away from really understanding Marylyn Monroe is one of the

932
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: best funny too. What the funk are we doing? Have

933
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: either of you endeavored to dry and I don't. I

934
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: don't care. I didn't watch the Michelle Williams one, and

935
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: I would probably like that. I did like that one.

936
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: See I do love her. You know, we were watching

937
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: the last night at the pregame. We were watching videos

938
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: of Gwen Verdon dancing and then watching Michelle do it.

939
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: We didn't, but it made me realize, like god damn it,

940
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: that performance was incredible. There is a surprising amount of

941
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: Gwynn Verdon in her mix Fatleman and you're like, that

942
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense, but I would, Okay, here's here's

943
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: before you see the Fableman's I would encourage you to

944
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: look at a still photo of Lee of Spielberg and

945
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: when you just realized the French Bob is ripped from

946
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: the headlines, like you can understand more that this performance

947
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: is rooted in a specific human being and uh, it

948
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: is amazing. But it's also one of those things when

949
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: it comes to Best Actor's race. She is like of

950
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: that movie, like it's it's not something like what or

951
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: Michelle Yo like like Lydia tar is the entirety of

952
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: a film. Maybe that like with some great supporting roles,

953
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: but like I just feel like like Michelle Yo got

954
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: written the most gigantic role imaginable and she fucking did

955
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: it every step of the way. And I hope and

956
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: pray that the Academy can give an award too. Like

957
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: a movie that came out in like August or before

958
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: the April, Yeah, it was way early in the year.

959
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: And somebody who is playing like a lady who owns

960
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: a laundry, like if they can open up their minds

961
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: enough for that, and a funny and a funny action movie. Yeah,

962
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean it was like it was just everything everywhere

963
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: all it was like it truly was enormous. Thank you,

964
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: and thank you for saying that and for really title

965
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: and and look at the way we're looking at you

966
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: with pride and respect. And can I say I usually

967
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: my ruber because usually could no one else have done it? Literally,

968
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: there is not a human being on the planet that

969
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: could have done except Jackie Chan because that's what it

970
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: was written form. And even that low impact in comparison, yeah, yeah,

971
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: which it's so much more interesting with her, more interesting

972
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: with her. Yeah. And also the thing the thing though,

973
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: is like I thought that that would be like objectively

974
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,959
Speaker 1: true at the end of the year that this would

975
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: be the definitive thing that lives up to that. Rubrick.

976
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, Michelle Yell and everything everywhere

977
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: all at once, like Hander Hander the award. But now

978
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that there's someone that could

979
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: have played Lydia Tar like good thing. I don't think.

980
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: Here here we start getting into economics of Academy awards,

981
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: and it is just that question of determining who is

982
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: worth three? And we have in the last we have

983
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: opened up who is worth three? And I think we

984
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: all know that we really have he is worth three,

985
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know that it's now. I feel like,

986
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, like Blue Jasmine was nine years ago, um

987
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: and like it it is huge. I used to have

988
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: to say this. I was so excited for my mom

989
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: and Olivia to watch everything everywhere all at once, because

990
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: you have blue collar, like working class lady who gets

991
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: to explore everything that was possible for her, and then

992
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: you have like daughter who is in pitched battle with

993
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: her at all times, who is queer and weird and

994
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: all of those things. And my mom fell asleep during

995
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: it because she falls asleep during things all the time.

996
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: But just sort of Olivia got the full experience of it,

997
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: and it was just like it's it's just so wonderful

998
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: when you see something like that and it's not just

999
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: a thing of beauty but also something that you know

1000
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: will mean something to people who matter to you. Um,

1001
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: and everything everywhere, all at once has that warmth factor

1002
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: that's charred, doesn't you know? Yeah makes it the distance. Yeah, Yeah,

1003
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: for sure, it's got more of Coda being able to

1004
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: wrap my head around the fact that we live in

1005
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: a world that where Coda wins Best Picture. Like not

1006
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: that it wasn't a great, lovely movie, but it is

1007
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: just like a very streamable film on like on Amazon

1008
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: that you watch on your television or whatever Apple um

1009
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: is more has more potential than something that is blowing

1010
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: up planets. Yeah. Well, I was just gonna say, like,

1011
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: Koda was a sweet and lovely movie, but it was

1012
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: not Power of the Dog. But then I saw you

1013
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: sort of drag Power of the Dog the Dog on Twitter.

1014
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: The thing is I love Power of the Dog, like

1015
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: I I will drag it. Like. The best thing about

1016
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: Power of the Dog is my friends Sarah Fire made

1017
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: me go see it in a theater in Pasadena, same

1018
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: theater where I saw everything, ever where, all at once,

1019
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: but having to drag yourself through the boredom to realize

1020
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: what it was doing made it one of the most

1021
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: effective portrayals of what closetedness is. Like. I felt that

1022
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: it was really good. I thought that it was a

1023
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: rich movie that I thought about a lot. But I

1024
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: also it was a little bit like, what does this

1025
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: movie want? What does this movie have to say? Like

1026
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: it a little bit fell into there's a correct kind

1027
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: of gayness that will happen offscreen that we will never see,

1028
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: but it's correct gainness. And then there is this bad

1029
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: gayness that is bad, but we're going to pay a

1030
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: lot of attention to it. It is a problem that

1031
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: I found most significant. Have either of you seen The Inheritance? Yes,

1032
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: I've seen The Inheritance and I did the full sit

1033
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: through for both parts. Now for me, life is too short.

1034
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's true, like I would truly adore to

1035
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: take you, Matt, I'll be sleeping like death. I mean yes,

1036
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is is like I have threatened

1037
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: to take Luke McFarland from Bros. To watch The Inheritance,

1038
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: like Luke would like it, But then I would yell

1039
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: at him so much about how angry I am at

1040
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: so many aspects of it. But I feel like the

1041
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: inheritance was something that was like, there's good correct gayness.

1042
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: We're not going to show you that. We're going to

1043
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: show you drugs and fucking and we're gonna say that's bad.

1044
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: And I think that, well, the well and they did

1045
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: say that's bad. That's what you're saying. Yes, And I

1046
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: think if we love drugs and we love drugs and sucking,

1047
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: why not be able to explore drugs and sucking without

1048
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: needing to shake our finger at it? Or if you

1049
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: think there is some better and more correct way of

1050
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: being gay, show us that. And also, at the end

1051
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: of the day, I think rooting the validity of gay

1052
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: masculinity on our capacity to have children is misguided. Like,

1053
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, we are perfectly capable of being wonderful parents.

1054
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: Lots of people are. I am in fucking you, Basdi

1055
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: because I came for parents Weekend at Davis because a

1056
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: young woman had to be prodded to go to services

1057
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: at hill l But like, what I have to offer

1058
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: this world is not just my capacity to parents that, like,

1059
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: we are more than that. So I have a lot

1060
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: of issues with the inheritance. Um, but I love that

1061
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: it's so long. I mean that what you said about

1062
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: Power of the Dog, about like needing needing, needing to

1063
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: sit through the boredom to understand what gold you're being

1064
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: given is a little bit tar too, because it's like

1065
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: every single scene is there for a reason, but you

1066
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: don't understand why until you know, Like like when I

1067
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: hated the movie for those for that period of time,

1068
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: I was like, what the funk is going on? And

1069
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: why are we seeing this? And I asked it so

1070
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: many times and then every time I had to visit

1071
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: it every scene and I was like, no, we needed that.

1072
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: I needed that going through it and just thinking about

1073
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: it as a screenplay would it would be fascinating and

1074
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: it's something that I need to do, even just a

1075
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: thing of like telling us so much about her work

1076
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: in Peru, like what I was laughing, Like I realized,

1077
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 1: like when The Bone, there's a scene in the beginning

1078
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: where they're like they're doing like an interview with her,

1079
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: like she's being again interviewed about how what the genius

1080
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: she is, and like their list her credits, and at

1081
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: a certain point you're like, oh, this has to be

1082
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: satire because her list of credits is so long, and

1083
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: the fact that she's an egot, she's she's little antar

1084
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: as you got. And when they said you got, that's

1085
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: when I was like, no, this is a funny movie.

1086
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: Are the people most likely to be that's okay? That

1087
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 1: this is true? Okay, I have to ask you a question.

1088
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: I have to ask you, boy. It's a very serious question.

1089
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: It is this He's don't worry Darling Camp because okay,

1090
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: please tell me, talk to me. Well have you seen?

1091
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: But don't worry Darling yet. But I'm willing to I'm

1092
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: going to presume that it does not achieve like this

1093
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: sun Taggian Camp definition that it needs to be aware

1094
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: of its own bad taste. Correct. Don't Worry Darling takes

1095
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: itself so seriously as the half movie that it is,

1096
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: because it really has something interesting there that's like beyond

1097
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: the scope of what the script allows it to deliver.

1098
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: There could be something really interesting said and done as

1099
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: a thriller and as a fun popcorn movie that stars

1100
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: Harry Styles. But but the movie is so obsessed with

1101
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: itself as a satire that it really it sits in

1102
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: its own quiet and doesn't understand that it's quiet because

1103
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: nothing is happening. It's not quite it because we're waiting

1104
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: for something like and if we are like, it never happens.

1105
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: But it's not a very smart movie. And that is

1106
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: unfortunate because I think was a couple more passes of

1107
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: the script, it could have gone somewhere really fun. But

1108
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: ultimately is like, you know, and this is actually you know,

1109
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: saying a lot because step Ford Wives is not an

1110
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: A plus, but it's a C minus step Ford Wives.

1111
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: Of course you've seen the Paul Rudnick Nicole kick in

1112
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: Stepford Wives, right, I have, but it's it's a condom

1113
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: definitely B minus, but an A plus B minus is

1114
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: in my opinion, what guys, we're getting lots to let

1115
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: her create. I'm sorry, I would like to make one.

1116
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: I while watching Um, Don't Worry Darling, I asked myself,

1117
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: is this camp in the scene when Harry when Harry

1118
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: is dancing and she is melting down in the bathroom,

1119
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: and there were like many images of her in bathroom mirrors,

1120
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, maybe this is camp. And then

1121
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: while watching Tar Tar without pretty pink dresses or Harry

1122
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: says dancing manages to use bathroom mirrors to be so

1123
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: much more camp than Don't Worry Darling could ever hope

1124
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: to be. Don't Worry Darling is camp. In the way

1125
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: they met, Gala thought it was camp. That that's how

1126
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: Don't Worry Darling is camp. Don't Worry Darling is showing

1127
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: up being like, aren't I interesting? And you're like, no,

1128
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: hunt and we shouldn't be doing this. But honestly, thank

1129
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: god for that press cycle because I genuinely think it

1130
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,479
Speaker 1: got butts and seats. Yeah, no, it was like good

1131
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: for them. That meta narrative was better than the narrative. Oh,

1132
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: certainly much more interesting was what was happening off screen,

1133
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: which which which maybe they knew and they leaned into it,

1134
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: but I don't know. The day of Chris Pine spit

1135
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: was just, I mean, amazing psychotic. That jump for me, Yeah,

1136
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah when when when we're wondering did

1137
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: a man spin on each other in this video? E O,

1138
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. That to me was a little too

1139
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed for me. Listen, guy, I want to ask you something.

1140
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: So you've had many workplace daughters. Yes, Cushier was your

1141
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: workplace daughter. I was your workplace. Daughter. Do you have

1142
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: this sort of relationship with Pat Reagan? Oh, my god,

1143
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: does he allow you to mother him? I prefer the

1144
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: term niece. And yes, Um, it's lovely working with Pat. Um.

1145
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: We didn't know each other very well before I started

1146
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: the job. I like called him and was like, what

1147
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: should I know about it? Um? He said that he

1148
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: liked all types of chocolate when I was talking about

1149
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: modeling chocolate, and so I sent him a pound of

1150
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: modeling chocolate to see and he was like, over the

1151
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: course of three days, it reminded me of duncle Ru's chocolate. Um,

1152
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: you know like that. Yes, I mean the thing is

1153
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: is like Hacks is actually filled with wonderful nieces. Uh.

1154
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: There's the Ariel Andrew laws appear. He's higher ranking in

1155
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: me on the show. He could never be my niece. Um,

1156
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: but Ariel Carl who reminds me so much of my

1157
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: actual niece. Uh. And it was wonderful. And then there

1158
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: is a delightful woman named Samantha Riley who uh is

1159
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: from Berkeley. And you know that's a good time. But yes,

1160
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: when news about someone hot comes up or I want

1161
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: to talk about the weirdness of the time at which

1162
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: we are taking a phone break. Uh, my niece Pat

1163
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: Regan is the person too who might address that. You know,

1164
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: I always for some reason, I'm sorry. I just want

1165
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: to say, Pattison the Dominican Republic doing an Atlantis event

1166
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: this week, and I did not know how she takes

1167
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: son like she really is turning into like, um, you know,

1168
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: a check porn twink over the age of thirty. And

1169
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm really impressed. Yeah, Pat, Pat is good in the

1170
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: sun for sure. That I was gonna say. I always

1171
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: remember there was a moment when you too, when Matt

1172
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: was your niece. Always that will always be my name,

1173
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: that will always be the Matt and Olivia are sharing

1174
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: a room and the house dat Davis Um. For some reason,

1175
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: I always think of that. The coffee break in that

1176
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: room for you guys was like three pm, and I

1177
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: always and I was just because I just picture the

1178
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: both of you, like because the room went too long,

1179
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: two hands on, one cup, two hands on, just sipping

1180
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: their coffees, chatting kept me up. Talking about the weekend.

1181
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: Guy feels me with joy. And you always were, um,

1182
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: very encouraging and I always felt like very respected by

1183
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: you when whenever we worked together and that that made

1184
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: me feel good because I don't respect anyone more. You're

1185
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: so funny. And also the first show we worked on,

1186
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: there were no higher levels except for me there and

1187
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: watching you and Alan's Jew like behave like adults, pitched

1188
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: like adults. Everyone there was really funny, but like you

1189
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: guys came at it so hard with such strength that

1190
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: I really just earned undying respect for you guys. You

1191
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: behaved like co executive producers and I was like, those

1192
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: are people who are going to have fine careers. Well

1193
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: that's very n And Alice is Alice, Oh my god,

1194
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: everyone remember the name this season. This season on Hacks,

1195
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: I did pitch a character who was the first Asian

1196
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: female president of the Harvard Lampoon and was a working model.

1197
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: Will only wore black. Alice is not a working model,

1198
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: but I tried to have an Alice Jew based character

1199
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: in Paul Downs was immediately like, should we just call

1200
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: her Alice Jew? And I was like, all right, you're saying,

1201
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: I love that they're Alice is one of the most

1202
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: iconic people, like just in behavior, because she's she's truly

1203
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: darry Is. It is silent assassin. Also, I'll never forget

1204
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: her Oh she's I hope she's not bad that I

1205
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: say this. But Mama did not enjoy Harry Potter and

1206
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: the Forbidden Journey and the University Studios Hollywood. It did

1207
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: not go good. It upset her stomach. But we had

1208
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: a fabulous day there. Alice sucking rocks. I love her

1209
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: so much. She fucking right. I mean, like just bow

1210
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: and said it right. Remember the name. Um, listen, Um,

1211
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: we're sort of soaring into I don't think so, honey territory.

1212
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: But is there anything that you because I feel like

1213
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: the fact that you like we're that we're worthout like

1214
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: your weekly a pop rocket is totally missed. Let's just say,

1215
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: very very much. So what do you have to say

1216
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: that you feel has not been said about the culture?

1217
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: And this is a separate from I just want to

1218
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: give you the floor. Um, that's so sweet. I would say,

1219
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,439
Speaker 1: getting to truly like venture to open my heart about

1220
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: tar was really what I was looking for. I mean,

1221
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: the things I have one I noticed after I saw

1222
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: the stablements, I just wanted to have a long talk

1223
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: about the stableman's And then a week later a quartered

1224
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: Judd Abataw and made him talk to me about the Tableman's.

1225
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: After I got out of Tar, I was just like

1226
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: I listening to every podcast I could talking about her,

1227
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I want to speak about

1228
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: and process Tar. But I would say the one thing

1229
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: I want people to know about the popular culture I

1230
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: will be expressing in my I don't think so, oh

1231
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: my god, what a segue. What do you say we're

1232
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 1: ready to thrust into this new So this is I

1233
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. This is our one minute segment

1234
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: in which we each take a minute to rail against

1235
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: something in the culture. Matt, do you want to get

1236
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: first watching you like, be dissatisfied with the way you

1237
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: just did that, because it's a one minute segment that

1238
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: we each take one minute and then you you'll never

1239
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: see this at home. But Bowen literally, like like halfheartedly

1240
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: threw his hand up and rolled his eyes at the

1241
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 1: fact that he said one minute too close together in

1242
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: proximity in the sentence. And that's why we love Bowen

1243
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: Yang and is the attention into detail. It's a Sunday

1244
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: and I was doing music video math in the edit

1245
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: room all day yesterday at work and I'm I'm my

1246
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: brain is host. I'm so sorry. Well it sounds like

1247
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: really fun math. I'll say music video math. It's it's

1248
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 1: kind of stressful math. Actually, music video math is stressful math.

1249
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: Shout out to Ryan Spears and Mike Diva for being

1250
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: champs in the room. I didn't know that. I love Ryan,

1251
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: Oh my god, just a pure star, mega star capital

1252
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: walks in the room. Is so warm and yet also

1253
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: has that effect in that quality of like sucking the

1254
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: air out like you you. She walks in the room

1255
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: and everybody pays at tension, even people who like like

1256
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: like Josh and Aaron talking about this like on set

1257
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: for for fucking identical Twins, like she'd walk like she

1258
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: came on and then like Crupy, who had no idea

1259
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: who she was, was like who is that? Who is that?

1260
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: Who is that person? Um? And she was so. The

1261
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: best thing a host can say going into s n

1262
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: L and that Monday meeting is I'm down for anything something.

1263
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: Some hosts come in and there's no, there's nothing fundamentally

1264
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: wrong with this. Some hosts come in and they go,

1265
01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: I want to do like an Irish acts and I

1266
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: want to do with this. I want to I have

1267
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: this impression I have had that um, lovely it's it's

1268
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: it's it's there's some directionality there, but the best thing

1269
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: that can happen is a host coming and going I'll

1270
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: do anything. And then they asked her, can you sing?

1271
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: And she goes, not really, well, but I'll do it.

1272
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever, like that's the best. And I just

1273
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: agree with that she can sing, but um, it was

1274
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 1: so lovely all week and this is public knowledge. Seven

1275
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 1: pm on Friday, she finds out that her house in

1276
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: l A was broken into. Oh no, and I didn't

1277
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: know that, and that burglars like stole like three dollars

1278
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: and stuff, and she's crazy in l A like it's great,

1279
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: it's it's a big problem she's had. She's this this

1280
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: this lady who we all love, Like like, let's let's

1281
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: let her catch a break. She literally tweeted like she

1282
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: was like, this is what happened in my house got

1283
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: broken into. I have to be honest with y'all, like

1284
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: after us to know, like I need to take a

1285
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: break because this is just so emotionally and physically like

1286
01:10:56,240 --> 01:11:02,560
Speaker 1: so draining, and so I I'm not alexis not specifically,

1287
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: but it is giving, blingering, and it just feels I

1288
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: don't know, but but but the the nefarious thing is

1289
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, she's in New York for us,

1290
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: and now let's go to her. You know, like let's

1291
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: case the joint and then robbed the place a day

1292
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: later or something. You know, she got dereaded, she got

1293
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: de read it. Anyway, Um, she was lovely. I find that,

1294
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: like she's been through so much ship and the stuff

1295
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: that she's been through often gets like minimized because like

1296
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: the tor Land stuff is crazy, Yeah yeah it is,

1297
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: um it's but she was. She was phenomenal. Everyone fell

1298
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: in love with her dot so just and and sorry

1299
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: not to be like this, but like watching her in

1300
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: the booth like just like kind of like on the

1301
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: track like recording, I was like, this is incredible. That

1302
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: must have been really cool to watch. It was, I

1303
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: mean it was. It was cool and wobble to just

1304
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: watch and then cool and Celestie and I were like,

1305
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's like saying the stuff that we wrote.

1306
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's awesome. But she was, She's she's just phenomenal. Anyway.

1307
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: The fact that she like put on a show on

1308
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: Saturday after going through an insane like life thing that

1309
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: she had to take care of as leam Michelle s Fanny,

1310
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: Bryce said, let's give him hell. Bryce will cry a

1311
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:12,839
Speaker 1: little later. Well, Bryce, that's life in the theater and amazing.

1312
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: We are going to move on to I don't think so, honey,

1313
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: Now that I've said that, now, are you ready? I am?

1314
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as

1315
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey that we

1316
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: have to wait still for Midnights to come out. I'm

1317
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: so excited for Taylor swift new album Midnights. Who knows

1318
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: what we're gonna get? Are we gonna get more Taylor

1319
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: Swift with a hard R and a hard tea? You

1320
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 1: know her, She's that girl who's writes, writes down Taylor Swift.

1321
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 1: She writes down all her lyrics and and she spills

1322
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: her heart. Or are we getting Taylor Swift with a

1323
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: long a and a soft I think? Are we getting

1324
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: that hip hit hip? Are we getting big stadium pop?

1325
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: Are we getting a mixture of both? What kept Taylor

1326
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: Swift up at night that she was able to make

1327
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: a concept album called Midnights? We're gonna find out on Thursday.

1328
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: But I don't think so, honey, Do I have to

1329
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: second tell her. Swift is one of my favorite artists

1330
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: and I want her album right now. I just know

1331
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: that this album is going to be one that I

1332
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: listened to on repeat and everyone is going to be

1333
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,560
Speaker 1: doing the same. I don't think so, honey, that I

1334
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: have to still sit in silence until I fill the

1335
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: air with the sound of Midnight and that's one minute. Wow,

1336
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: the enthusiasm, and I'm sorry, reader. You should see Matt

1337
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: sort of turned off the switch in his brain and

1338
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: now his face is fully neutral and even angry. I

1339
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: would say it was so tiring. It was really hard

1340
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: to be effusive. Bow. You know, I don't know how

1341
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,879
Speaker 1: you do it. You're You're one of the most effusive

1342
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: people I know, and you're doing so well and people

1343
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: love you for it. I am pretty effusive. So Matt

1344
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: is Matt is just a true luminaire. You see it

1345
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: like and literally you see the light from within, like

1346
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: I love this man. But also, and I don't think

1347
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 1: so you spent like that is why you always created

1348
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: it because you have so much to give and it

1349
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: is a forum for giving your everything. Thank you for

1350
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: saying that there is nothing there is no greater um

1351
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: compliment than what you just said. Thank you for saying it.

1352
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Um Bowen, are you

1353
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: ready and excited to do your adam think so, honey.

1354
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm excited period. This is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey.

1355
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Using

1356
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: gut health as a way to mask and eating disorder, okay,

1357
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: there are people out here who are using these two

1358
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: words to be like, I'm eating chia seeds all day,

1359
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: every day, and that's it, and that's for my gut health.

1360
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: No you want like like they know, they say the

1361
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: ship that's fine, but then they always ended with look

1362
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: at my abs, that's gut health. That's chia seeds or

1363
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck they're drinking and eating. Okay, it's it's

1364
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: it's so fructing transparent to me that the people who

1365
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: are not experts, who are not qualified to be giving

1366
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: up this advice on TikTok or fucking Instagram reels to

1367
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: be like, it's gut health, it's gut health. You don't

1368
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: know the first thing about the damn microbiome in your

1369
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 1: fucking stomach. You don't know one name one of the

1370
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: trillions of bacteria ensigns that are in there. I dare

1371
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: you then I'll pay you a thousands dollars if you're

1372
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: gonna fucking chill for she has. I don't know what

1373
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: she has seeds my example, but gut health is a

1374
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: legitimate thing, but it's being used as a mask. Wow, guys, Hi,

1375
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm Teddy Mellencamp whatever. And the way that I get

1376
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: my gut health together as I starve myself to sign

1377
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: up for the app that literally if if, if you're

1378
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: a true dietitian, like someone who has a title whatever

1379
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: this is, I don't mean like accountability coach. Well, I'm

1380
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: saying like just this this kind of like there's a

1381
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: fun there's a very thin line and gut health is

1382
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: a concept that is you know, real and that can

1383
01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: be very drink stay regular, very that there's some of

1384
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: these influencer folks out there in the influencing space, which

1385
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: is a very powerful space as we know, and people

1386
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: wield a lot of power in that space for for

1387
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: good reasons, for bad reasons, for mutual reasons. They're they're

1388
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: kind of pushing the gut health agenda in a way

1389
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,560
Speaker 1: that is I think a little a little shady. I

1390
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: think a little little scary. And no one is saying

1391
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: she has seeds are not a super food. We all

1392
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: except that they love like as tech runners who needed

1393
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: to get through a day. It took by the historian.

1394
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: But it is not. But it is not the entirety

1395
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: of a diet. It is not a way of life.

1396
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. Guy, who is the

1397
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 1: most interesting historical figure? Oh? Do you know who? Hypatia

1398
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: of Alexandria was the name. They made a Rachel Vice

1399
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: movie about her. She was a leady mathematician in Alexandria

1400
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: and she um uh like figured like she like figured

1401
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: out a bunch of stuff about the way the planets moved. Um.

1402
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: And then they killed her and they cut her they

1403
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: cut her skin off with pieces of pots because they

1404
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,839
Speaker 1: thought she was a witch, because she was not Christian

1405
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 1: or the other thing they were supposed to be. A man. Yes,

1406
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's probably not the answer, But I love Alexandria.

1407
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm so happy I asked. So this is guy Brownhams.

1408
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't think are you ready and ready to steam? Yes? Okay,

1409
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: your time starts now. People who leave the History Channel

1410
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: show alone because they miss their family. I don't think so.

1411
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: Honey Alone is a television program on the History Channel

1412
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: where people are dropped somewhere in the Canadian. We'll gonna

1413
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: depend modern objects and I have to survive as long

1414
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: as they can. And people do not leave because they

1415
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: miss their family. They leave because they're starving. They leave

1416
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: because they tried really hard to kill a deer and

1417
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: did not kill a deer. They leave because their gill

1418
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 1: let did not work. And I am tired of these people.

1419
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: Like Real Trea Second Fighters on a loan, they get

1420
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: pulled off of the show because they love so much

1421
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: weight that their blood pressure is artificially uh reduced. Those

1422
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: people leave like heroes. But people who leave because they

1423
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: miss their family are fucking weak. And if they got

1424
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 1: one of the ten spots to go on alone, they

1425
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: should let themselves slowly starve to death the way that

1426
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: everyone else does and not be whiny about how, oh

1427
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: I didn't properly process my daughter dying two years ago.

1428
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: Get over it and catch some fish. I don't think so. Really,

1429
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 1: that's one minute. Are you guys caught up on Survivor

1430
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: of this season? Yes? I am talk about it. This

1431
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: is my tar and survivor to too pieces of missed

1432
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: homework survived, Tar, I have some personalities. You've got a

1433
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: good season on our hands, and but I'm excited for

1434
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: you to binge when you do finally get some And

1435
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, we're deserved time off. The man

1436
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 1: doesn't stop. Oh my god. I like that. There's no premise.

1437
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: I like that there's no premise. And Matt, did you

1438
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: spot when there was the thing about the woman who

1439
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: was accused of cheating at professional poker? Did you realize

1440
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: that the guy who accused her of cheating um was

1441
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: brains versus bronze versus beauty. He was the hot, the

1442
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: hot Jewish poker player on the rains. Wow, unbelievable. Yeah.

1443
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 1: Who is your front runner for this season? Oh? I forget.

1444
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: I feel like I binged all three of them very quickly,

1445
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: and I feel like it takes me five episodes to

1446
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: just have them coalesced in front of me. What do

1447
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 1: you think The answer is? Carla um a name like Carla.

1448
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: She is an iconic um Latin X lesbian who sort

1449
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: of is sort of giving Richard Hatch in the way

1450
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 1: she's observing it all and her social game plan has

1451
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: been on display, and you know she's getting a good

1452
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: edit because they constantly cut to her to just comments

1453
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: on things. And the edit that she's getting is the

1454
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 1: all seeing but also very doing player, you know what

1455
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's giving under the radar in a

1456
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 1: way that other people think they are or not tragic.

1457
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying a name like Carla is tough. Like if

1458
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: there's a Carla on Survivor, you know they're going far

1459
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: period period, you should you that's and that's a rule

1460
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: of culture. Which one is that again? I'm forgetting fifty eight.

1461
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 1: That's real numb there. You know they're going far. I

1462
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: would encourage you to just try, just try a little

1463
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: bit of alone on the History Channel. If people went

1464
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: on Survivor and there were no social game and also

1465
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: they were mostly white supremacists. Okay, a question I needed

1466
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: the answer to it sounds like yeah, okay, good, good good.

1467
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 1: I mean I have a big night tonight, Potomac is on.

1468
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: You do you don't really engage with the House fives.

1469
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't, and that's a shame. We would encourage you

1470
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: to start to be honest. Okay. The thing is is

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01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: I from Chelsea Lately, I have like two seasons of

1472
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: New York and like, and I tried to watch all

1473
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,560
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills so that I would have more to

1474
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: toxic gay guys about. Um, but I crapped out just

1475
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: after the backdoor pilot for Vanderpunk Rules. Um, but I

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Speaker 1: would like to be more conversant in these things, like

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Speaker 1: you guys. There are so many times when I listen

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Speaker 1: to your podcast and there are just like fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: of and I'm like, I would And also, enough of

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Speaker 1: these things are people should not be using the word

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Speaker 1: of viva without me being able to engage it. If

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Speaker 1: you're using the Hebrew word for spring, I want to

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Speaker 1: know what's going on. My god, you're so right. I

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Speaker 1: feel like your drag name is should be a viva.

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Speaker 1: A guy, I would just recommend you start with Salt

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Speaker 1: Lake City and get caught up there because there's the

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Speaker 1: least homework to do, and it's it's very much top

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Speaker 1: of mind conversationally for for for gay guys and and

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Speaker 1: the culture at large. Time. It's all right, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna like it because it's a crime thriller. Also here

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Speaker 1: lots of Jews. There is to Lisa and Meredith or no,

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Speaker 1: Lisa is Mormon down, but she's culturally Jewish Jewish. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: so Lisa and Meredith, Meredith, she's Jewish. And then but

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Speaker 1: it's obviously and I do think that you will find

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Speaker 1: a lot of interesting stuff in there about the Mormon

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Speaker 1: of it all. Definitely. Well, look, there are moments in

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Speaker 1: life that you will remember, and this was one of them.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry, I did a quick google. If

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Speaker 1: you heard typing sounds, I was just quickly googling Lisa

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Speaker 1: Barlow Jewish and yeah, your family was Jewish, but she

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Speaker 1: was not lovely Jewish. Yeah, okay, Well, thank you for

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Speaker 1: a lovely less culture ristas. I have missed you guys

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Speaker 1: a great deal. I was lovely to have some talk.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this was this was truly the best

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Speaker 1: part of my week. And to have good meat to

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Speaker 1: chew on and to have thank you for making me

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Speaker 1: watched Maybe wouldn't have watched it, you know what. I

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Speaker 1: First of all, I don't believe you would not have

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Speaker 1: watched it. I mean it made it might have taken

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Speaker 1: me like months or something. You know, frequently, here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: like Bowen is gonna see it. I'm gonna I'm gonna guess.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna wager that Bowen will will get will see

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Speaker 1: at something over the next week, even I think that

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna be able to stand it um. And

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Speaker 1: then it's gonna occupy time on next week's episode two

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Speaker 1: because I just know he's going to have a lot

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Speaker 1: to say, even if it's a different opinion than us. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm all wager that it won't be too different.

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Speaker 1: My two very smart friends have made very interesting points,

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Speaker 1: but bow and Yang is first and for aelmost his

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Speaker 1: own person. Absolutely, it's very true. Okay, Well, we end

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Speaker 1: every episode of the song good good good good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to listen to that song Beachless, Listen the beach Boys,

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01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: good vibrations, Smile Lost, Brian will Doan. Yang is revealing

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Speaker 1: his knowledge of I love the Boys. He loves American culture.

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Speaker 1: Fine fe