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Speaker 3: Morning everybody, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 4: Happy Friday, huge, huge Eagles dog for Ryan last night.

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Speaker 5: Congrats on that.

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Speaker 6: Are you in Philadelphia now.

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Speaker 5: I'm in Philly.

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Speaker 4: I'm here at the Residence end, coming to your lives

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Speaker 4: from the residence.

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Speaker 7: In and I'm assuming you haven't slept and you were

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Speaker 7: just partying on Broad Street all night?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was coming street. Polls, everything amazing, rioting.

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Speaker 3: They're going to send in the National Guard now for you.

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Speaker 5: It's coming.

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Speaker 3: Gotcha. Sounds justified, sounds entirely.

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Speaker 2: Ye of the It's also a big jobs report Friday.

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Speaker 2: So we've got some some numbers off the top. We've

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Speaker 2: got James O'Keeffe breaking some Epstein news, which was interesting surprising. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess maybe not surprising because he has

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Speaker 2: been interested in the past, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He's the one who got Pam Bondi on the tape

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Speaker 4: saying that they were going through all of the videos

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Speaker 4: and it was all child content and that was just

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Speaker 4: a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 2: Isn't he also the one that did the Amy Roeboch

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Speaker 2: like yes, yeah, hot Mike talking about like I had

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Speaker 2: it all about Prince Andrew. I had the whole story

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Speaker 2: and they wouldn't let me do it, and then it

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Speaker 2: was him too.

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Speaker 3: So interesting there.

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Speaker 2: We've also got clips in the RFK junior hearing, which

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Speaker 2: I haven't actually watched those yet, have you guys? Did

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Speaker 2: you guys pay close attention to it yesterday?

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Speaker 7: I casually, I casually watched it and I couldn't avoid

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Speaker 7: it too.

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Speaker 5: Just you're gonna love it, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: You can get my reaction live Griffin. Were you closely

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Speaker 2: plugged in with that one? I know you're a big

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Speaker 2: RFK fan.

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Speaker 9: It was hard, It was kind of hard to avoid

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Speaker 9: it was filtering through the through the day, but you

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Speaker 9: know it did. The tenor of these is kind of

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Speaker 9: always the same. Everyone screams at him, he screams back,

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Speaker 9: it's it's beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then we've got in the premium portion, we're going

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Speaker 2: to take a look at Barry Weiss's incredibly justified valuation

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Speaker 2: of hundreds of millions of dollars for the Free Press.

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Speaker 2: So that'll be great. Congrats to her job, Well done, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you guys are doing a drop site,

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Speaker 2: but you know, just definitely clearly not providing the value

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Speaker 2: of ms Weiss.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Well, I guess there's ABC and NBC are left, so it's.

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Speaker 6: Jockeying for you know who they're going to try to buy.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure you're high on that list.

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Speaker 2: You know, a really value journalism right up there.

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Speaker 6: On that whiteboard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 2: And then also we'll probably take a look at Zorah

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Speaker 2: and is challenging Trump to a debate, which I think

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Speaker 2: think it's very smart play since Trump has decided to

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Speaker 6: I would love that who wouldn't love that. Trump would

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Speaker 6: love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, moderate, we'll moderate before we jump in. There

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Speaker 2: out to be false. We are We've invited the GHF

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Speaker 2: spokesperson on Monday. They reached out to us. We said,

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Speaker 2: potentially very newsworthy and you know, very significant show planned

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Speaker 2: we're not digging into that story today. It's because we're

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Speaker 2: that in. Yeah, all right, with that being said, should

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Speaker 2: we jump into the jobs reports, Griffin, you want to

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Speaker 2: pull up some elements for us.

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Speaker 9: Let's see how it's going. Guys. Payrolls rose twenty two

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Speaker 9: thousand in August, less than expected, in further sign of

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of these weird ones, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: where it's like, the numbers are really bad. Twenty two

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Speaker 2: Unemployment rate rose to four point three percent. If you

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Speaker 2: estimate was lowered once again. That was what led to

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Speaker 2: the controver last time, when Trump decided to fire the

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Speaker 2: BLS head because he didn't like the numbers that came out.

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Speaker 2: He didn't like the revisions of the previous reports that made,

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Speaker 2: you know, his tenure look pretty bad. And then the

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Speaker 2: other part of this that's weird though, is the markets

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Speaker 2: are actually reacting positively because they think that this will

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: The irony for Trump has been that he has desperately

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Speaker 7: been demanding a rate cut, you know, since his election,

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Speaker 7: but the economy was a little bit too strong to

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Speaker 7: about dramatically weakening the economy across the board. And so

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Speaker 7: So I guess congratulations to him if he you know,

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I guess impressive.

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Speaker 7: The New York New York Times had a couple uh

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Speaker 7: damage that that the tariffs and the and and his

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Speaker 7: kind of global trade war doing. John Deere, well, I

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Speaker 7: don't know if you saw this, Levi's was warning. I

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Speaker 7: didn't see that that there that that their global sales

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Speaker 7: are at significant risk because of the perception of the

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Speaker 7: United States. Wow, like the thing that that really drove

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Speaker 7: a lot of American American soft power is that even

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Speaker 7: when they hated our foreign policy, and even in countries

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Speaker 7: that hated our foreign policy, they loved our artists, hip

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Speaker 7: brands like in particular, Levi's.

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Speaker 2: The quintessential American brand, like.

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Speaker 3: Mc donald's yes, war right.

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Speaker 6: Right, and now.

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Speaker 7: Yes, so Levi's in its uh in it's in its uh.

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Speaker 7: You know, quarterly calls saying, you know, big problem for

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Speaker 7: China by this time usually will have locked in many,

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Speaker 7: many billions of dollars in purchases of soybeans. They have

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Speaker 7: currently locked in zero uh. Now China isn't buying that

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Speaker 7: they need the soybeans basically either from US or Brazil

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Speaker 7: or assortment of other places, but they're not buying them yet.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And that has resulted in American farmers seeing like crop

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Speaker 7: their layoffs are going to continue, that their profits are

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Speaker 7: massively down, and they're also saying that they have spent

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Speaker 7: So everything is collapsing, which is wonderful for Trump because

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Speaker 7: mastermind at work is, yeah, getting what he wants well.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the question though is in part part of

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Speaker 2: And the other thing we covered yesterday was well, a

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Speaker 2: couple of interesting things. First of all, McDonald's CEO going

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Speaker 2: But our middle and lower income consumers. They're skipping meals,

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Speaker 2: they're skipping we're seeing you know, double that, he said,

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Speaker 2: he said specifically, they're skipping breakfast. Now, you know, I

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Speaker 2: guess there are better options out there for your breakfast

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Speaker 9: They just added spicy biscuits.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool, that's a little much for me in the morning. Though,

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Speaker 2: to be honest, to be changed everything, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The Griddle change the way we've thought of food.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Sager's and mcgriddl hater of course figures buzzkill

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Speaker 2: about everything, but in any case, it was very significant coms.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that we covered yesterday that ties into

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Speaker 2: this too is Canary and the coal mine typically for

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Speaker 2: the American economy is black workers, and they're seeing unemployment

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Speaker 2: rates spike. And it's exacerbated additionally by all the cuts

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Speaker 2: to the federal government because the federal government has been

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Speaker 2: the black middle class. So you have a lot of

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Speaker 2: you know, pretty dire warnings, and the stock market.

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Speaker 3: Might be happy about that.

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Speaker 2: Trump might be happy about the bad jobs numbers because

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Speaker 2: he might get he's probably going to get his rate cut.

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Speaker 2: But let's be clear, twenty two thousand jobs added in

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Speaker 2: a month is a really bad number.

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Speaker 3: And the downward.

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Speaker 2: Revisions previously too, that made it so that June you

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Speaker 2: actually had negative net negative job creation. And in the

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Speaker 2: sectors where he claims to care the most, so manufacturing,

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Speaker 2: job creation has been down routinely for several months at

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Speaker 9: Right before we get to Ryan, I just want to

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Speaker 9: Trump has a little statement here he says, don't worry

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, time is running. I mean, the midterms will

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Speaker 5: By the way, and.

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Speaker 6: And so what you're going to see.

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Speaker 7: In the data now he's saying, is is some increase

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Speaker 2: The construction job loss is even more stunning when you

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Speaker 3: So it means what am I here? What am I hearing?

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Speaker 4: And there's the big beautiful bill was full of incentives

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Speaker 7: Oh maybe you just take these negatives actually and just

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Speaker 12: You hear private payrolls coming in the expectation with seventy

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'll add to that, they have modeled their

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Speaker 5: And so this idea that there may be a recession sounds, you.

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Speaker 5: And of course that's true.

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Speaker 2: So they actually believe, like they believe that hype I.

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Speaker 2: First of all, it means to actually deliver that long

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Speaker 2: I mean, the tariffs are one of the most unpopular

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Speaker 3: Did he really Yes, that's okay. Wow country, incredible country

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Speaker 5: But I think the.

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Speaker 5: I think you can pass one big, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Well, the courts may save them from themselves if they

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Speaker 6: And Lutnik is always fun. We want to do one lot.

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Speaker 2: Nick, let's do it sure then we can get to James.

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Speaker 14: Well, I mean, think of the employment. You look at

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Speaker 5: Well, let's talk about that.

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Speaker 14: Economy is just beginning, right. I mean, he's convinced all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is actually amazing that they are acknowledging effectively like, well,

445
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Speaker 2: things are going to be bad. But a year from

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Speaker 2: just from the last thing I'll say before I can

447
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Speaker 2: move on to James o'keefen Epstein, which actually there's a

448
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Speaker 2: kind of a tie in here is the clip we

449
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Speaker 2: played of Trump with Bill Gates and Zuckerberg sitting alongside him. Emily,

450
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Speaker 2: what would what would the right say if that was

451
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris sitting in that chair with Gates and Zuckerberg

452
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Speaker 2: and Sindharpachai and all those people right there in the

453
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Speaker 2: very chummy circumstances.

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Speaker 4: Well, the right way reapply the socialist drag from twenty

455
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Speaker 4: twenty one and talk about how evil corporate America.

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Speaker 6: Is, Donald, and they'd be correct.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Donald, Trump in that dinner said to the Google CEO,

458
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Speaker 7: you know, congratulations on you know, getting off so easy.

459
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Speaker 7: Oh the Department of Justice case, and remind him that

460
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Speaker 7: was Biden that came after you, not me.

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Speaker 6: It's like, are you serious?

462
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Speaker 9: It's like Trump is.

463
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Speaker 6: On a humiliation.

464
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 5: Tour that was trumped that casey.

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Speaker 7: So it's not even true.

466
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Speaker 2: Is the humiliation tour to humiliate himself, to humiliate and

467
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Speaker 2: reupported him all of the above.

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Speaker 7: I think he's angry that his supporters wanted him to

469
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Speaker 7: do things, and so he's just thumbing it in their

470
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Speaker 7: nose that like, you wanted me to go after this guy.

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Speaker 7: It's a billionaire, who are you?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, especially after the gifts like once Tim Cook gave

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Speaker 9: the Whates that he gave him a golden yes gold.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, his magas fans don't give him gold step it

475
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Speaker 7: up by fake gold from.

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Speaker 6: Him, and it's embarrassing.

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Speaker 9: That's right. Well, Crystal mentioned earlier, you know, belief in

478
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Speaker 9: the project, belief that in the Trump project. So I

479
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Speaker 9: think this is nicely into trusting the plan a little

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Speaker 9: bit more. We have some breaking news from investigative what

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Speaker 9: do we call James o'keef would you call him a

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Speaker 9: hidden cam reporter, under an undercover undercover journalist. He's uh

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Speaker 9: he he uses the dating apps to get his scoops. Apparently,

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Speaker 9: uh so more often. I know, we gotta get on

485
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Speaker 9: we gotta get on field. Uh so, d O J

486
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Speaker 9: Deputy Chief admits government will redact every Republican while leaving

487
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Speaker 9: all the liberal Democratic people on the Epstein client list.

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Speaker 9: Let's just hear a second of this and then we'll

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Speaker 9: get out of it.

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Speaker 16: Every Republican or conservative person in those files, the liberal

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Speaker 16: Democratic people in those bots, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean they visited that person.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, also got transferred to a minimum security prison series,

494
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Speaker 16: which is against because she's she's like a.

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Speaker 9: Big sex all right. So he says that James O'Keefe

496
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Speaker 9: welcome to the resistance, and then the dog chief had

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Speaker 9: to issue a formal response, which I'll pull up here

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Speaker 9: before I get yeall's reactions. Uh. This was a US

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Speaker 9: Department of Justice tweet on the notes app for Acting Director.

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Speaker 5: It's an email draft.

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Speaker 7: It's okay, it's an email draft, but airplane, airplane and

502
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Speaker 7: thirty percent, like that's all in the original DJ screen.

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Speaker 9: That's great. That's we're on low battery and low confidence.

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Speaker 6: So read the first line.

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Speaker 9: Read yes, that's right. So Acting Director Pollock says, in

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Speaker 9: his words, I met a woman named Skyler on a

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Speaker 9: Hinge a dating app in July twenty twenty five. Her

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Speaker 9: profile is no longer findable. We had two dates, August

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Speaker 9: fourth and August sixteenth. She claimed to be an uppair

510
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Speaker 9: in Georgetown. Many such cases she gave. She gave no

511
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Speaker 9: clues that she was a reporter.

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Speaker 6: Come on, Skyler, George.

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Speaker 9: She gave no clues that she was a reporter or

514
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Speaker 9: recording our dates. Had I a clue, the first date

515
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Speaker 9: would have ended immediately and there'll never be a second one.

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Speaker 9: My profile indicated I did government work, but did not

517
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Speaker 9: specify for which agency. The comments I made were my

518
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Speaker 9: own personal comments on what I've learned in the media

519
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Speaker 9: and not from anything I've done or learned via work.

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Speaker 9: I have no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding miss Maxwell

521
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Speaker 9: other than what is reported in the news. I also

522
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Speaker 9: never divulged anything about what I do at work. I

523
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Speaker 9: recalled that she asked if I had any knowledge about Maxwell,

524
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Speaker 9: and I specifically said, I only know what's being reported

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Speaker 9: in the media. So, oh yeah, I mean outside of

526
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Speaker 9: all this. I just don't think talking about Epstein's first

527
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Speaker 9: date material. I don't think that's the first date topics.

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Speaker 7: Also, I have googled this and Google confirms Skyler is

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Speaker 7: an American name developed in the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 9: Oh wow, isn't that the name of.

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Speaker 3: The wife and Breaking Bad? That's right her name, Ye, Skyler.

532
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Speaker 9: She was kind of unjustly Miliana.

533
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Speaker 3: People hated her.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yes, but I think retro's history looks back on

535
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Speaker 9: her more kindly.

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Speaker 2: I think actually at MSNBC, I interviewed her about the

537
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Speaker 2: way that Yeah, the hate she got for his character

538
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Speaker 2: she was playing. Anyway, that's neither here nor there. Skyler

539
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Speaker 2: sent me on a journey. Yeah, but I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: let's let's say about James O'Keefe, Like he uses very

541
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Speaker 2: dishonest tactics, not only in the like hidden camera and

542
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Speaker 2: tricky into a date on hinge or whatever, but he's

543
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Speaker 2: been caught in the past taking whatever audio gets, clipping

544
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Speaker 2: it together in a way that makes it look you know,

545
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Speaker 2: actively deceptive or you know, very misleading in terms of it.

546
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Speaker 2: So is it possible that this guy was saying what

547
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Speaker 2: he had heard generally in the news and what his

548
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Speaker 2: conclusions were, Yeah, I think that. I actually think that

549
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Speaker 2: is possible that that was what he was talking about.

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Speaker 2: I also think it's very bad sign if you're, you know,

551
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Speaker 2: someone that high up in the DJ thinks that's what's

552
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Speaker 2: going on, that's a pretty bad indication of you know,

553
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Speaker 2: people that are at that high level of government who

554
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Speaker 2: are watching this unfold and are like, yeah, of course

555
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Speaker 2: they're going to just get rid of all the Republican

556
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Speaker 2: names and leave in the Democratic ones. And obviously Kalayne

557
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: got transferred because they wanted her to shut the hell up.

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Speaker 2: You know, if that's a conclusion they're coming to, then

559
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Speaker 2: it does tell you something. Even if he's right and

560
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Speaker 2: he has no special knowledge of this case or these

561
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Speaker 2: files or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Which isn't true, Like there's no way he has no

563
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Speaker 4: special knowledge. I agree with you, Crystal, it's entirely possible.

564
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Speaker 4: Like O'Keefe has found some legitimately interesting stuff. We earlier

565
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Speaker 4: the Amy Robot comment from when the cameras were rolling

566
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Speaker 4: but they weren't live on ABC talking about how the

567
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Speaker 4: network killed her Epstein story. I think she said something

568
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Speaker 4: like quote, I had it all. Yeah, it's really frustrated.

569
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Speaker 4: That's an O'Keefe. But other times there's like really obvious

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Speaker 4: or not obvious, I mean really problematic editing that's not

571
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Speaker 4: obvious because you haven't seen what you don't know what

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Speaker 4: you haven't seen. Basically, So is it possible that he

573
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Speaker 4: caught out this guy saying, hey, I heard this from

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Speaker 4: Everything I'm saying here is just from public media. I

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Speaker 4: don't have any inside Not sure, but it's unlikely that

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Speaker 4: a man this high up in the Department of Justice. Actually,

577
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Speaker 4: even the people in the lower rungs of the Department

578
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Speaker 4: of Justice right now are all absorbing the gossip. You

579
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Speaker 4: could be the janitor at the Department of Justice and

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Speaker 4: you would be absorbing I mean you would you probably

581
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Speaker 4: know a lot, actually be absorbing the vibes in the mood.

582
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Speaker 4: But if you're in this guy's position, it's it's just

583
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Speaker 4: not true. Even if he's parroting what he's hearing in

584
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Speaker 4: the media, then that's just validating the truth of what's

585
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Speaker 4: being reported in the media because it rings true to

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Speaker 4: somebody who's that high up.

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Speaker 9: You also gotta leave you gotta leave a few Republicans

588
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Speaker 9: in there if you're gonna do it at cover up, right,

589
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Speaker 9: Like you know, to quote like Baane, someone they gotta

590
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Speaker 9: find someone in the wreckage, right, you gotta leave like

591
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Speaker 9: someone's got to be the sacrificial lamb here.

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Speaker 3: No, they don't think that way. They have no shame.

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Speaker 6: You could leave like Chris Christie in there.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, there's gonna be a never Trumper on there.

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Speaker 3: Why is Chris Christy catching strays this morning? Ryan?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

597
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Speaker 7: Because I saw Trump's AI video of Christi and JB.

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Speaker 6: Pritsker sumo wrestling.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's a real sentence. That's a real sentence.

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Speaker 5: I have both a sentence that just came out of

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Speaker 5: Ryan's mouth. President the United.

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Speaker 4: States did post an AI video of Chris Christy and JB.

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Speaker 4: Pritzker sumo wrestling that actually did happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that did happen.

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Speaker 2: But no, I don't think that they do think like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we need to leave someone in there to make it

607
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Speaker 2: seem like this is legit.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that.

609
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Speaker 2: I mean, Trump went from saying on the trail like

610
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Speaker 2: we're going to release it and playing it up and

611
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, Bongino and all cash batalities, people hyping it

612
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: up and like making lots of money and careers off

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Speaker 2: of it. To be in like two page memo. Nothing

614
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: to see here, by the way, he killed himself. Case closed,

615
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: and it's a Democrat hoax, by the way, Ginda by

616
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Speaker 2: like Hillary Clinton and James Comy. So there's no need

617
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Speaker 2: for them to feel like they need to be consistent.

618
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Speaker 2: In fact, the like we can already see the maga

619
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Speaker 2: bass move like they bought it. They've moved on.

620
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Speaker 3: So for them, it's over.

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Speaker 2: For the general public and for you know, certainly for

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Speaker 2: Democrats at this point, they're very interested in it. But

623
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Speaker 2: in terms of him losing support among his hardcore fans

624
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Speaker 2: not happening, well.

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Speaker 9: Democrats are semi interested in it. I don't know how

626
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Speaker 9: interested some of them are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's true.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well I was gonna say it is true.

629
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Speaker 4: And I think it's probably always been true that Trump's

630
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Speaker 4: like pulling public support is not the needle won't be

631
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Speaker 4: moved significantly by Epstein stuff. But it is interesting to see,

632
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 4: for example, like Marjorie Taylor Green going on Newsmacks and

633
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 4: talking about Thomas Massey going on Newsmax and talking about

634
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Speaker 4: a cover up, and seeing James O'Keeffe, somebody who's very

635
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Speaker 4: maga continuing to chase the story like a dog with

636
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Speaker 4: a bone.

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Speaker 5: Those are the sorts of things I think.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it here that are not going away

639
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: because so many people staked you know, years of their

640
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: own credibility saying or their own quote credibility in some

641
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: cases saying, this is the story of the century that

642
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 4: reveals and exposes everything wrong.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, correct, Like.

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Speaker 2: It was the Rosetta stone, you know, like this will

645
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Speaker 2: unlock the understanding of everything that's been going on, Emily,

646
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Speaker 2: is there anything else going on with James O'Keeffe, Like

647
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Speaker 2: I don't remember the details of how his organization fell apart.

648
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: I remember there were like lawsuits, there are allegations of

649
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Speaker 2: misbehavior and like just generally sort of like degenerate behavior.

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Speaker 2: I think there was like misuse of funds. He's using

651
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Speaker 2: funds for like his musical some odd yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hands, I forgot.

653
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Speaker 2: About that, but I was just curious if that, if

654
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Speaker 2: that rupture had created any you know, friction between him

655
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Speaker 2: and anyone in megaworld or what your sense of any

656
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Speaker 2: of that is.

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Speaker 5: No, that's a good point.

658
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Speaker 4: I mean it was basically a power struggle internally at

659
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Speaker 4: Project Baritas, which had a pretty like heavyweight board of

660
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Speaker 4: directors and conservative movement circles. So some of those ties

661
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Speaker 4: definitely did fracture it, which is like ugly. It was

662
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Speaker 4: one of those things that was ugly on both sides.

663
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Speaker 4: People were weaponizing information and it just was like nasty,

664
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Speaker 4: nasty stuff, So that might contribute to it. There's there's

665
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Speaker 4: no love loss between him, but and some of those types.

666
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of a specific person that he

667
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 4: would have a big grudge against, but he's I mean,

668
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Speaker 4: he has been fairly like Maga pro Trump. I think

669
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Speaker 4: he's one of those people that, because he followed the

670
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Speaker 4: Epstein story before there was a Trump cover up, is

671
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Speaker 4: in the position where he has to has to keep

672
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Speaker 4: chasing it otherwise, you know, if you're if you have

673
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Speaker 4: any I mean, if you if you want to have

674
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Speaker 4: any credibility, you just you would look insane to drop

675
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Speaker 4: it if you're him, because he's poured so much into it.

676
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, although I mean, like you know, it

677
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: takes a lot to arrange these different undercover kind of

678
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: like sting operations. He could have pursued any number of

679
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: other topics pass et cetera, and it would have would

680
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Speaker 2: not have been obvious of like Oh, well, you're just

681
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Speaker 2: you're not even focused on Epstein anymore, you know what

682
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Speaker 2: I mean? Like if he had revealed some other liberal

683
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Speaker 2: democratic thing, It's not like people would have seen that

684
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Speaker 2: as a failure to cover Epstein. They just would have

685
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Speaker 2: seen that for whatever that thing would be. So I

686
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Speaker 2: don't know, I find an interesting. I mean, it's also

687
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Speaker 2: there is a lane open now on the right that's

688
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Speaker 2: like the Groper lane.

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Speaker 6: You saw the Tucker lane.

690
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Tucker lane, the Groper lane. The what's his

691
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Speaker 2: name owns sck Schreier. Is that his name over on

692
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Speaker 2: info war Schreyer, Yeah, who just like quit info Wars.

693
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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Alex Jones is crashing down over it, and he says

695
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: that Alex had told him he was too pessimistic about Trump,

696
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: and the implication was he was being kind of censoredive

697
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Speaker 2: in his Trump critique and also in his Israel critique.

698
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Speaker 2: So there is I mean, there's there is some media

699
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: fracturing that is happening on that side that is different,

700
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Speaker 2: and I think it's part the Trump project is gonna

701
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Speaker 2: in some way come to an end at some point.

702
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: It's part things are not going the way they wanted to.

703
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Speaker 2: I do think Epstein is a big part of that too,

704
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: because if you have any sort of integrity around us,

705
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: you have to acknowledge that it's a total and complete

706
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: betrayal of the way this man portrayed himself as some

707
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Speaker 2: deep state warrior that now he's like, well, my name's

708
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Speaker 2: in the file, so we're not going to be we're

709
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Speaker 2: not going to be exposing those anytime soon.

710
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Speaker 5: Or it's a hoax too.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it feels like a safe attack because I think

712
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Speaker 9: these guys know at the end of the day, well,

713
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 9: you know, Trump will find someone else to blame, so

714
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Speaker 9: we can blame Pambondi, or we can blame someone at

715
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Speaker 9: the DOJ and then fire them. So it doesn't feel

716
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Speaker 9: like a direct attack on trust. True, So I feel

717
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 9: like there's some safety in it, and it is like there,

718
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 9: it's their bread and butter issue, so you know, they

719
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Speaker 9: can't really drop it. Emily mentioned Thomas Massey still kind

720
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Speaker 9: of holding a flame for this stuff, and Thomas Massey

721
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Speaker 9: is beginning to name names. Let's hear a clip right

722
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Speaker 9: here from Thomas Massey who is naming one of the billionaires.

723
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Speaker 17: Oh, let me give you the name of one of

724
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Speaker 17: the billionaires who's running two million dollars of ads in

725
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Speaker 17: my district since I started this effort. His name is

726
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Speaker 17: John Paulson. He's a hedge fund manager and a major

727
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Speaker 17: donor to the Republican Party, a major donor to the

728
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Speaker 17: Speaker of the House, a major donor to the President's campaign.

729
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 17: And he's in Epstein's black book. Now that's public, but

730
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Speaker 17: that's indicative of the types of people who may be

731
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Speaker 17: implicated or just embarrassed by a release of a completely

732
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Speaker 17: release of these files.

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Speaker 5: Pulson, Ryan, isn't Paulson the guy who shorted the housing market?

734
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Speaker 6: Mm hm, that's right.

735
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Speaker 7: Cool, Yeah, you have to give a multi multi billion

736
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Speaker 7: back when being that rich wasn't as common as it

737
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Speaker 7: is now.

738
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Speaker 3: By well, maybe etein.

739
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Speaker 6: Betting on everybody by betting on.

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Speaker 2: The financial Maybe Epstein gave him that advice, and that's

741
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Speaker 2: why he was so valuable to these guys.

742
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Speaker 3: Did you ever think of that, Ryan.

743
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Speaker 5: What Crystal you were saying, some people saw this as

744
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Speaker 5: the Rosetta stone. It's like, well, I mean.

745
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Speaker 4: That's why we care about it, because, yeah, maybe in

746
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 4: some ways it is a Rosetta stone.

747
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it certainly could unlock a lot of

748
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: a lot of it would even if it did turn

749
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: out he's not. He wasn't Massad, he wasn't Cia like

750
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: he really does just was this horrific, you know, monster

751
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: pedophile who separate and apart from that, also had an

752
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: interesting like cultivating powerful people just for the hell of it.

753
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: Even if that turns out to be the case, that

754
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: is still so revealing about the American criminal justice system

755
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: that this man was able to get away with all

756
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Speaker 2: of just because of his wealth and his proximity to

757
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Speaker 2: power like that also is I mean, I don't it

758
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't be that surprising, but I will say when you

759
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: go back and look at what was going on in

760
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: Palm Beach and the investigation with the local PD, like

761
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Speaker 2: they weren't going to let him off the hook because

762
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Speaker 2: of they knew he was wealthy, they knew he was

763
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Speaker 2: connected all these people, and they weren't going to let

764
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Speaker 2: him off the hook. It's when it gets elevated to

765
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Speaker 2: you know, above their heads that he ends up with

766
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Speaker 2: this sweetheart deal. And that, to me is the center

767
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: of why it's always been so suspicious, the analysis of well,

768
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Speaker 2: he's just a rich guy, and that's what happens to

769
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: rich guys in America, they get away with a lot, true,

770
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Speaker 2: do they get away with, you know, trafficking allegedly hundreds

771
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Speaker 2: of girls over years and years, and you know, having

772
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: this vast network over all of this time, and still

773
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: being able to get into every elite circle imaginable, including

774
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Speaker 2: the highest levels of you know, academia and business and

775
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: government here and in Israel, by the way, you know,

776
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Speaker 2: I think that is that is the part that is

777
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: very we'll just say eyebrow raising at best. But yeah,

778
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Speaker 2: even if it's the you know, the the thinnest level

779
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: of the conspiracy that there was no other large it

780
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 2: wasn't a blackmail scheme. It was just him being a monster,

781
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: and now it was contained effectively to him. There were

782
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: no other powerful people who were implicated this kind of

783
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Speaker 2: girls behavior. Even if it's that, it still is very

784
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: revealing and important information for us all to understand about

785
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Speaker 2: the way the system works.

786
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 9: Well, on that note, let's get to some other ways

787
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 9: this system is working or not working. We have our friend,

788
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 9: our breaking points extended universe character RFK Junior here, who

789
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Speaker 9: is at a big friend of mine.

790
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Speaker 3: I think in particular he.

791
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Speaker 9: Is listen, family family, family fights, you know, but we

792
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 9: we love. We show up on the holidays for each other.

793
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 9: So lots of clips here from this RFK Junior hearing.

794
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Speaker 9: Can anyone give a brief primer on this hearing and

795
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Speaker 9: what RFK Junior's kind of new initiative around vaccines is.

796
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Speaker 4: So this is the Senate Finance Committee, and he got

797
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Speaker 4: a pretty tough grilling from both Republicans and Democrats. Bernie Sayers,

798
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Speaker 4: Ron Wyden, Maggie Hassen, these guys just really went in

799
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Speaker 4: on him. And so we have some of the highlights

800
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Speaker 4: of those interactions. And this is Tina Smith of Minnesota.

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Speaker 9: Let's start with this one.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, even if it's untrue. So, last time you were

803
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Speaker 18: before Congress Secretary Kennedy, you claimed, and I quote, I

804
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Speaker 18: have never been anti vax I have never told public

805
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Speaker 18: to avoid a vaccination. But in a podcast you said

806
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Speaker 18: the opposite. You said there's no vaccine that is safe

807
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Speaker 18: and effective. So that sure sounds I've asked to me,

808
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Speaker 18: Secretary Kennedy. So let me ask you, when were you lying, sir,

809
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Speaker 18: when you told this committee that you were not anti vaxx,

810
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Speaker 18: when you told Americans that there's no safe and effective vaccine.

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Speaker 5: Both things are true. Oh so more.

812
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Speaker 18: Of denial, more back and forth. I mean, here's what

813
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Speaker 18: I know, here's what I can explain.

814
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Speaker 12: Why you'll actually I want you to listen to me.

815
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Speaker 8: Okay, go ahead, that's untrue.

816
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Speaker 9: So so we've got that one here, and then yeah.

817
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Speaker 5: Let's roll through these gripts so people get labor.

818
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Speaker 9: Yeah, let me get a favorite. So this next one

819
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Speaker 9: very interesting, Well I'll have to talk about is about

820
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Speaker 9: Operation Warp Speed and if President Trump deserves the Nobel

821
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Speaker 9: uh prize for this uh operation. Let's uh, let's take

822
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Speaker 9: a look.

823
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Speaker 5: This is a public in.

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Speaker 19: Lcacidy that says a doctor, not as a senator, I

825
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Speaker 19: am concerned about children's health, seniorself, all of our health.

826
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Speaker 19: A pauled you to join the president and a call

827
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Speaker 19: for radical transparents. Thank you for that, I'd said yesterday.

828
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Speaker 19: I believe it that President Trump deserves a Nobel prize

829
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Speaker 19: Operation Warp Speed. If you have been President Obama, he

830
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Speaker 19: would have gotten it.

831
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Speaker 6: But because of.

832
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Speaker 19: Operation Warp Speed forcing the federal government to come to

833
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Speaker 19: a vaccine development within ten months when others said it

834
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Speaker 19: couldn't be done, we saved millions of wives globally trillions

835
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Speaker 19: of dollars we reopened the economy. Economy's an incredible accomplishment.

836
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Speaker 19: Mister Secretary, do you agree with me that the president

837
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Speaker 19: that the President deserves a Nobel Prize for Operation Warp Speed?

838
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Speaker 6: Absolutely?

839
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Speaker 19: Let me ask you.

840
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Speaker 9: But you just.

841
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Speaker 19: Told Senator Bennett that the COVID vaccine killed more people

842
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Speaker 19: than COVID.

843
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Speaker 4: Wait, that was a stake.

844
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Speaker 15: I did not say that.

845
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Speaker 19: Okay, let me ask because you also.

846
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Speaker 20: Were the senator.

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Speaker 13: I just want to make clear.

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Speaker 19: Well, we'll check the record. That's a question of fact.

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Speaker 19: You also said that you were also as lead attorney

850
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Speaker 19: for the Children's Health Defense, you engage in multiple lawsuits

851
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Speaker 19: attempting to restrict access to the COVID vaccine. Again, it

852
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Speaker 19: surprises me that you think so highly of Operation Warp

853
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Speaker 19: Speed when as an attorney you attempted to restrict access.

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Speaker 9: All right, so I have to say, well, is good

855
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Speaker 9: but also bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about that one, because

857
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Speaker 2: it makes sense that a Republican would be the one

858
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: with the most devastating question in a way, because they

859
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: would understand sort of the weaknesses and vulnerabilities from a

860
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Speaker 2: Republican perspective. And this has always been such a central

861
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Speaker 2: contradiction of you know, Operation warp Speed.

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Speaker 3: It genuinely was. We covered it.

863
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Speaker 2: This was back at Rise, and we cover it very

864
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Speaker 2: positively at the time. You know, it was one of

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Speaker 2: the you know, only examples I could think of in

866
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: modern history post New Deal where you really did have

867
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Speaker 2: the federal government sort of like all oars rowing this direction,

868
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Speaker 2: doing what it took to get this vaccine together, get

869
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Speaker 2: it rolled out. It was a genuinely impressive thing, and

870
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Speaker 2: Trump himself was for a long time very proud of it.

871
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Speaker 2: Now he's starting to back away himself from whether or

872
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: not he put on some truth about you know, I

873
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: don't know if I got the right information at the

874
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Speaker 2: time or something to that effect. And so Kennedy is

875
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Speaker 2: trapped between you know, slavish devotion to the dear Leader

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Speaker 2: and his anti vax crankery in this question, which is

877
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Speaker 2: what makes it so impossible. You know, it puts him

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Speaker 2: in a logic choke hold. We'll say the framing of

879
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: this question, and I have no doubt that he did,

880
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 2: because he said similar things earlier in the hearing, say

881
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: that the COVID vaccine has killed millions war than it

882
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: ultimately saved. So you can't both think that Operation Warp

883
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: Speed was glorious and the dear Leader deserves a Nobel

884
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: Prize for it, and that this thing was like a

885
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: devastating scourge to humanity that killed millions of people.

886
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: I thought that Kennedy got the better of Ron Wyden

887
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 4: and Bernie Sanders and these hearings. But to your point, Crystal,

888
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 4: Bill Cassidy is the reason that Robert F.

889
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 5: Kennedy Jr.

890
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: Is AHH Secretary because he basically traded his vote for

891
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 4: an agreement that RFK Junior would submit to being babysat

892
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 4: by Bill Cassidy, essentially, who's a doctor and sort of

893
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 4: sees himself as a responsible Republican steward of public health.

894
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: And for Cassidy to be I mean, to actually really

895
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 4: deliver that devastating blow is pretty fascinating this early, because

896
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: again Cassidy wants, for his own sake, are.

897
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 5: FK Junior to work out he is the one who

898
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 5: delivered him to AHS. Without his vote, he wouldn't be there.

899
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: Yea and a ful Because I mean, if you really

900
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: were convinced that RFK Junior was gonna, you know, reform

901
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: on the issue of vaccines or really care once he's

902
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: in there, what you think, Senator Cassidy about what the

903
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: right course of action is?

904
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: Like, I just I think I don't think that he

905
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: really believed that.

906
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: I think he hoped it was true, But ultimately he

907
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 2: felt pressure to go along with who Trump wanted as

908
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: his picks, and so he put his own political positioning

909
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: because he knows how devastating can me to go against Trump,

910
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: against his judgments as a doctor, and so he put

911
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: up a performative display of reluctance. But at the end

912
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: of the day, just like everybody else, he went along

913
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: in spite of his you know, significant and genuine reservations.

914
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 5: The vaccine stuff.

915
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that was obvious because the point he's

916
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: making there, I mean he could have made that point.

917
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 5: Cassidy could have made that point during the content.

918
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: At that time.

919
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: That's right, And he was between a rock and a

920
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 4: hard place, obviously, which is that. I mean, first of all,

921
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 4: he's from Louisiana, not a healthy state, And this is

922
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 4: what RK. Junior was telling Ron Wyden yesterday. They had

923
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 4: an exchange where again I think Kennedy kind of owned

924
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 4: him from the political strategist perspective, where he was like dude,

925
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: You've been sitting in Congress since the mid nineteen nineties

926
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 4: and all of these rates have continued to go up.

927
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 5: Well, Bill Cassidy.

928
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 4: Has been in Congress for a long time and is

929
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 4: a representative of a very unhealthy state. So when we're

930
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Speaker 4: not talking about vaccines, RFK Junior, I think has a

931
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 4: more a stronger argument when you start talking about vaccines.

932
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 4: This guy is on the record over and over again,

933
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 4: and I'm talking about the politics of this, talking about

934
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: how COVID killed the COVID vaccine killed people in mass

935
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 4: That's impossible to square with Trump's position on operational warp speed.

936
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 5: Impossible.

937
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 7: And it looks like the exchange that Casidy is referring to,

938
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Speaker 7: he did not say outright that the COVID vaccine killed

939
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 7: more people than COVID.

940
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 6: It sounds like Bennett said to him, are you aware?

941
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 6: Are you aware that.

942
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 7: One of the new members And so the context for

943
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 7: this entire thing is that Kennedy kicked a whole bunch

944
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Speaker 7: of scientists off of the key committee that makes recommendations

945
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 7: around vaccines as replacing them with what people think are

946
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 7: cranks and quacks. And so one of these people is

947
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 7: this guy, doctor Retzef Levy, who is out, outspoken, unapologetic

948
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 7: opponent of m r NA vaccines, and so he said,

949
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 7: are you are you aware that one of these new members,

950
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 7: Doctor Levy wrote that quote evidence is mounting. It indisputable

951
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 7: that m RNA vaccines caused serious harm, including death, especially

952
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 7: among young people. And Kennedy said, I wasn't aware of that.

953
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 7: I agree with it, and so Cassidy took that. Now

954
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 7: there would certainly have been killed people who have been

955
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 7: killed by the m RNA vaccine and badly hurt by

956
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 7: it like that. You can google that like that's that's true,

957
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 7: the idea that's more than a number of people killed

958
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 7: by COVID.

959
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 6: I don't.

960
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 7: I don't even think Levi Levy says that.

961
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 9: But and there's a battle going on here between who

962
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 9: what scientists do you like or not? We've got a

963
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 9: clip here on that all over the country, sciences, doctor saint.

964
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 9: Otherwise they're all wrong too. Let's taken politicized.

965
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 8: I depoliticized it. There's congress over the country, mister Secretary.

966
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 8: I just and doctors are saying otherwise. They're all wrong too.

967
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 8: They're all lying. According to you, a scientist, doctors are

968
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 8: supporting me of the country division on opinion.

969
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 4: I don't.

970
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 8: I don't get letters from thousands of people who are

971
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 8: not political saying that this set of changes is going

972
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 8: to damage American healthcare and particularly these healthcare agencies for

973
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 8: decades to come. I don't get any letters. We'll say,

974
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 8: maybe you're listening to a selective group of people.

975
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 9: You get, you get me.

976
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 8: I will I will tell you what, Senator, I will

977
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 8: put my mail bag against your mail bag.

978
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: Got I don't really even know what that means, but

979
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: using it Emily, I'll put my mail bag against your

980
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: any day.

981
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 9: The kids call a going bag for bag, so you know.

982
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 9: But yeah, they're just saying, oh, well, he's got doctors

983
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 9: and scientists. They say they're they're supporting him, but there

984
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 9: is division of opinion.

985
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well and he actually, he says to Widen, like, oh,

986
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: you're being selective, when in reality, RFK will find the

987
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: like one person in the entire fucking country who has

988
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: any kind of credential who agrees with him and then

989
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: be like, there's a division of opinion, and I just

990
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: have him decide with this one guy who says this

991
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 2: one like insane thing. And but you know, both sides

992
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: have a point. Let's debate it out. So he you know,

993
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: it's protection like he accuses Widen of the precise thing

994
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: that he does, and I just I have zero patients

995
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: for any of this.

996
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: Maha. People, you were betrayed, you were fooled. It's the truth.

997
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: And whatever you.

998
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: Think about vaccines, like put that aside. I mean, first

999
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: of all, you're insane to put it aside because it's

1000
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: been one of the greatest, most important inventions of modern medicine.

1001
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: And the defunding of the the mRNA vaccine trials that

1002
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 2: they were you know, the research they were doing means

1003
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: they were developing a potential mRNA vaccine for cancer and

1004
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: that's now off the table. Okay, so congratulations for that.

1005
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: Florida's now said there's no vaccine require arments for kids,

1006
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: So fucking congratulations for that.

1007
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: Put all of that aside. Okay.

1008
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 2: This is the administration that cut healthcare, that is going

1009
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: to deny millions of people healthcare.

1010
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 3: Is that, Maha.

1011
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: This is the administration that is rolling back all of

1012
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: the regulations on food and health safety. Is that fucking Maha? Okay,

1013
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: we're talking about Louisiana. A big part of that there

1014
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 2: are many reasons why Louisiana has chronic poor health. One

1015
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: of them is the fact that you've got a bunch

1016
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: of toxic chemical plants. They're constantly polluting, and so you

1017
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: have cancer alley, something that RFK in another life might

1018
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 2: have cared about. Guess what, This administration is rolling back

1019
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: the regulations on those types of companies, so instead they

1020
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: run around and Sager has done been the loudest voice

1021
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: on this, like, oh now we've got cane sugar and coke.

1022
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: Oh now your fruit lubs aren't gonna have the same dies.

1023
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: Oh now you can eat true French fries with beef

1024
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: tallow So it's to me, I have zero use for

1025
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: any of this. I think is all nonsense. And by

1026
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: the way, like, yes, you're pointing to important problem, which

1027
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: is America is dramatically unhealthy. The fact that you aren't

1028
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: even talking about the fact that we have so like

1029
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: such a disgusting healthcare system for profit healthcare system tells

1030
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: me you're a fraud to begin with. And then second

1031
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: of all, he gets in there and is just making

1032
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: the problem worse, laying off anyone who was doing anything

1033
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: good and had potential for improvement.

1034
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: In the future.

1035
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 2: So I'm just I am so disgusted with this man

1036
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 2: in particular, and with all the lies and the circus

1037
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: that's built up around him.

1038
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 3: I just have no use for it whatsoever.

1039
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 7: There's also a huge opening here for anybody who wanted

1040
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 7: to take it, because a lot of the Maha world

1041
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 7: like actually completely agrees with you at this moment, and

1042
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 7: they're losing their mind.

1043
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 6: They're like, there's a segment that kind of.

1044
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 7: From the eighties or nineties that really that bought into

1045
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 7: that like woo woo autism and vaccine stuff. But it's

1046
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 7: a vast, vast minority of what makes up Maha. Like

1047
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 7: the Maha people care about what you're talking about, the toxins,

1048
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 7: the chemicals, the plastics, the additives, the corruption of the

1049
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 7: food industry and the corruption of pharma. Vaccine fight is

1050
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 7: that's not what they're here for. Some of them like

1051
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 7: are skeptical definitely of like going overboard and being like

1052
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 7: giving the m RNA vaccine to five year old's, Like, no,

1053
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 7: we don't need to do that, Like you guys are

1054
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 7: being too crazy about that stuff.

1055
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 6: COVID overreach.

1056
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, fine there, but the Maha movement is not

1057
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 7: about getting rid of the MMR vaccine or otherwise just

1058
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 7: going to war with the vaccine. So I think if

1059
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 7: Democrats had their finger on the pulse of this, they

1060
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 7: could get in and be like, who's the one who's

1061
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 7: in the tank for pharma here? Like that's the other

1062
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 7: funny thing is like this big fight about the hepatitis vaccine.

1063
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 7: If you end up with hepatitis, that's great for the

1064
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 7: healthcare industry. You're now sick your entire life m hm.

1065
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 7: And you'll see morons out there being like, oh, because

1066
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,479
Speaker 7: you know you're because you're promoting this vaccine and women

1067
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 7: who are giving birth, you're in the tank for the

1068
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 7: pharmaceutical industry. It's like a fifty dollars vaccine that's not

1069
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 7: pharmaceutical industry is not trying. It's not like desperately trying

1070
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 7: to like sell that vaccine. Fact, if you get sick

1071
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 7: because you didn't take that vaccine, they benefit, That's right.

1072
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 7: So Democrats have all sorts of lanes where they could

1073
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 7: drive this.

1074
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 9: So Ryan, but what do you make then of this polling?

1075
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 9: Then if you say mahas against this, we have new

1076
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 9: polling here from Harry Enton. It says RFK Junior is

1077
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 9: actually the most popular member of Trump's admin. Let's take a.

1078
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 3: Listen, it's still minus seven.

1079
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 9: How long I've been saying Kenedy could be the most

1080
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 9: embattled member of the cabinet.

1081
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 20: Fact check me here, No, I think that's a false.

1082
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 9: That's a false.

1083
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 20: That's a Daniel Dale fact check for your false on that.

1084
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 20: What are we talking about here, farre ratings of key

1085
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 20: tr officials?

1086
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 9: Look at this strong.

1087
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 16: R K Junior ain't.

1088
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 20: Exactly popular, but he's the most popular of all the

1089
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 20: key officials that we have.

1090
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we even pauses.

1091
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean these guys, like those other I also would

1092
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: support honestly putting RFK Junior in like that pecking order,

1093
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: because the other ones are all like starting wars and

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Speaker 2: invading American cities and you know, threatening to invade Venezuela

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Speaker 2: right now. So okay, fair I'm doing genocides, So okay,

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Speaker 2: fair enough. RFK Junior is not currently committing a genocide,

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Speaker 2: so I'll give him his mind A seven. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know where, Like I have seen some of

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Speaker 2: the MAHA upset for sure and feeling like they got

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Speaker 2: sold to BILLI Goods, And I do think that that

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Speaker 2: sentiment exists, and I also think it to your point, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: like it is important for Democrats to.

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Speaker 5: Pick up on, uh, yes.

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Speaker 2: This sense in the population of both betraying, you know,

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Speaker 2: with with big pharma and the you know, the toxins

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Speaker 2: and and just the sense of you can see how

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Speaker 2: many Americans are are unhealthy, you know, and dramatically so,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the truth of the matter is though like, uh,

1109
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Speaker 2: probably the biggest innovation is like ozempic, which apparently has

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Speaker 2: all sorts of benefits for people and is a you know,

1111
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: solution for obesity, is a very like non Maha solution,

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Speaker 2: but you know, an ozempic for all as part of

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Speaker 2: Medicare for all. I think it would go a long

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Speaker 2: way honestly to making America a lot healthier. As the

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Speaker 2: sad truth of the matter, and then there should be

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Speaker 2: you know, in my opinion, we need like a genuine

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Speaker 2: renewal of public facilities where people can you know, have

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Speaker 2: community and play sports and a major investment in that

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Speaker 2: and making that a big part of our sort of

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Speaker 2: like public pride and public presence. And you know, that's

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Speaker 2: another thing that Democrats could potentially pursue. I will say

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Speaker 2: I have some sympathy for them because remember the way

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Speaker 2: Michelle Obama was treated when she tried to like make

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Speaker 2: the school lunches more healthy.

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Speaker 4: They acted, I was because I was in high school

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Speaker 4: and they took away the vending machines.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they acted like this was like, you know, a

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Speaker 2: like Pearl Harbor or something. You know, I was liked

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Speaker 2: a little reticent on that front. But it's time to

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Speaker 2: get back in the game, guys.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, so I just I actually think that's a really, really,

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Speaker 4: really important point because Bernie has Bernie is so viscerally

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Speaker 4: I think with you Crystal on the Maha like fraud line,

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Speaker 4: that he cannot stand the site of r f K

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Speaker 4: Junior basically, and that's probably probably true of probably true

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Speaker 4: of many people. But I also think that, I mean,

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00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 4: Bernie and r f K Junior have been on the

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Speaker 4: same page until r f K Junior's Trump turn for years,

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Speaker 4: like to your point about cancer Alley Louisiana, RFK Jr.

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Speaker 4: Suing to clean up the Hudson River like this was

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Speaker 4: his thing. And I think it's really dangerous for Dems

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Speaker 4: to look like they're on the side. I think Ron

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00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 4: Wyden came across like he was on the side of

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Speaker 4: the public health status quo, or at least seeded that

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00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 4: the anti establishment ground to RFK Junior because I just

1146
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 4: don't think thems have fully developed their response to Maha yet,

1147
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 4: which is brought actual like you see it if you

1148
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 4: go to like MAHA events.

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Speaker 5: I've covered a couple of them. It's the Hippie to

1150
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 5: Maha pipeline. Like it really is a lot of people

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00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 5: from the left who won't vote Republican in the future.

1152
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 5: Like this is to some extent the grass roots.

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00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 4: There are some like grassroots, like hippie Bernie types who

1154
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 4: are running in these circles because they think.

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00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 5: They look around and they're like, well, RFK Junior might be.

1156
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 4: Bananas, but Dems are defending the status quo and that

1157
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 4: looks bad.

1158
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 5: But RFK Jr. Another thing is he's getting.

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00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 4: Criticized by the hardcore MAHA people who are flaming him

1160
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Speaker 4: right now for not banning the COVID vaccine because it's

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Speaker 4: committing like mass mrina genocide. Like he I mean, it's

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00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 4: just a mahas a mess.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and some of it seems to be sticking. I mean,

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Speaker 9: we've got another pull here, Emily. You shared this one

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00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 9: support for vaccinating kids is drop being Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 20: That we have seen, Okay, vas kids again, somexious diseases,

1167
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 20: the government should require you. Go back in nineteen hundred

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00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 20: and ninety one, it was eighty one percent. Okay, Then

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00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 20: we go to twenty nineteen at sixty two percent. Look

1170
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Speaker 20: at where that number fell to by twenty twenty four

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00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 20: it was just fifty one point. That is thirty point

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Speaker 20: drop from thirty four years ago. My goodness, gracious.

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Speaker 9: Now, so what do we make of that? Do you

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Speaker 9: think people are when they are responding to this question.

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00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 9: Do you think they're thinking of just specifically the COVID

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00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 9: vaccine or are they thinking about polio? Are they thinking

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00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 9: about these other ones that these classic back to school

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00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 9: of vaccines.

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Speaker 3: I think they're thinking about all of them.

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Speaker 2: And I think, personally, I think it's a sign of

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00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: like societal and moral collapse. We're we're such a we

1182
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: have been fed such a line of individualism over so

1183
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: many years that people think their individual right to be

1184
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: an anti vax crank. Trump's the right of a community

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Speaker 2: to keep itself safe and protect children or those who

1186
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: are immunal compromise or the or pregnant women or others

1187
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Speaker 2: who are unable to get certain vaccines at certain times.

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Speaker 2: And so I genuinely like, I don't want to over blow,

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Speaker 2: but I really do feel this way. I think it

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Speaker 2: is a sign of societal collapse that we give so

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Speaker 2: little of a shit about our fellow human beings that

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01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: we are willing to put you know, some bullshit we

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01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: read on the internet over our ability to keep people

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Speaker 2: who are vulnerable safe, Like we are losing the ability

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01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: to even see our fellow community members as human beings

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Speaker 2: who deserve the slightest bit of courtesy and attention. And

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Speaker 2: to me, it truly is this like dead end of

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Speaker 2: a intensely individualistic capitalist project where it's just all about

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Speaker 2: you and your rights and your individual freedoms while you're

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01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: of course being crushed from above. And that's like, that's

1201
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: what you're being sold in lieu of being able to

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01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: have a good job, a good life, buy a house.

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Speaker 3: Et cetera.

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Speaker 9: But is it individual or is it a systemic issue

1205
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 9: where you know, how many of these people are seeing

1206
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 9: a primary care physician often, how many of these people

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01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 9: feel like they have access to a doctor they like

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01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,479
Speaker 9: or trust, or don't feel like it isn't ripping them off.

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Speaker 3: It feels right, Yeah, I mean it's not.

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Speaker 2: You're not saying anything different from me, though, really, because

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Speaker 2: what you're talking about is the fact that we have

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Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that we don't have a universal

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Speaker 2: healthcare system is exactly part of the overall systemic push

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Speaker 2: towards the individual of like it's your responsibility to make

1215
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: sure you can pay thousands of fucking dollars a month

1216
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: to get your health insurance that's still going to be

1217
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: crappy and still going to fail you when you need

1218
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: it the most. So that's that exactly what you're describing

1219
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: is part of the system that yes, leads people to

1220
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: frankly insane conclusions about it.

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Speaker 9: And if you do, it's like do your own research

1222
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 9: stuff Like it's well, if you do get sick and

1223
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 9: you're a poor person that you didn't do your research,

1224
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 9: that's kind of your individual responsibility to figure it out

1225
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 9: on your own. And you know, us US rich people

1226
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 9: will be fine. But like if if Bolio spreads you

1227
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Speaker 9: didn't you didn't read the blog or whatever.

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Speaker 4: I think this gets the Crystal's point about societal collapse.

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Speaker 5: I don't disagree with that at all.

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Speaker 4: Because the trust institutions is just rock bottom. I mean,

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01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 4: it's so incredibly low that people aren't going to trust.

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Speaker 5: I don't think people trust RFK Junior.

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Speaker 4: To your point about you know, having the highest rating

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01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 4: but still being down minus seven. There's just a niche

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Speaker 4: of the country who trusts him. There's a niche of

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01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 4: the country who's trusting you know New York Times, a

1237
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: niche of the country who doesn't trust any of it,

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01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 4: or like a fractured segment of the country, and so

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01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 4: you just everyone's floating in different pieces. Now nobody trusts anyone,

1240
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 4: so collective action becomes almost impossible, even though the paradox

1241
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Speaker 4: is it's also necessary to be part of a country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's it. You said it much more gently

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Speaker 2: than I did. But I agree with all of that

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Speaker 2: only in Yeah, I mean, I'm just I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm.

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Speaker 3: Very this will be a good trade. We can transition

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Speaker 3: to the premium show.

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Speaker 2: We can talk about Zoron, which is to me, like

1249
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 2: the glimmer of hope of people like once again and

1250
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: putting their faith in some sort of a collective project,

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Speaker 2: and the fact that it's possible in New York City,

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Speaker 2: where you know, famous for a lot of jaded people

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Speaker 2: and with a lot of groups that have either checked

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Speaker 2: out of a political system or you know, we're voting

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Speaker 2: for Trump, or you know, exploring other ideologies to me,

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Speaker 2: even though I know it's just quote unquote New York City,

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Speaker 2: but it does show that there is a possibility of

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Speaker 2: a restoration of a collective project in my opinion.

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Speaker 9: And so yeah, we'll be doing that and more, a

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