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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Buck Brief. Con Carol back in the mix with us.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: He is commentary editor at the Washington Examiner. And I

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Speaker 1: see some very smart looking glasses on him. I like these,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Con, I haven't seen these before so.

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Speaker 2: For a while.

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Speaker 1: Really, Oh, I don't know. I thought these looked new

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Speaker 2: Or is this new since law school?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, long time, long time. Ah, Gosh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I like them though. Nice frames. Anyway, we got big

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Speaker 1: news to talk about here. Uh, let's start with We

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Speaker 1: got the Trump trial. As people watch this, it could

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Speaker 1: even be at a verdict, so we don't know, disreverted

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Speaker 1: as we are talking, no verdict. I mean, it could happen,

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Speaker 1: and that would be quite a thing. We'll monitor this

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Speaker 1: as we are talking. But we'll talk Trump trial second, actually,

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Speaker 1: because I want to start with Alito and the New

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Speaker 1: York Times coming out with this in depth story on

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Speaker 1: Elito's wife putting a appeal to heaven flag up and

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Speaker 1: how that and then also an upside down American flag.

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Speaker 1: Therefore he should recuse himself from anything involving Trump. That's

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Speaker 1: quite a leap, and Alito has said, not so fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm looking this. I've seen like twelve

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Speaker 2: It's very very pressing stuff. The stake of democracy clearly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do you think it's all about, Like,

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Speaker 1: why go through all this?

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Speaker 2: No, I mean it's pretty clear. I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: it's just this time of year, so you have the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court terms ending. They always get out of town

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Speaker 2: before July fourth. So what they're trying to do is

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Speaker 2: And there are two such decisions that have relevance to Trump.

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Speaker 2: One is the case that decides whether or not all

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Speaker 2: the January six protesters that are up for this it's

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Speaker 2: actually a DoD Frank a law that they are alleged

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Speaker 2: that's been argued before the court to say, look, this

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Speaker 2: that would get off a lot of the January sixth

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Speaker 2: prosecutions that are going through. Now that's one case, and

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Speaker 2: then the other case is the immunity case on Trump

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Speaker 2: from his actions on January sixth itself. And so those

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Speaker 2: classic intimidation effort by the left to try to browbeat

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Speaker 2: the conservative members of the court into possibly citing with

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Speaker 1: So I need I need help with this one. If sure,

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Speaker 1: if the appeal to have in flag is a far

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Speaker 1: right hate symbol, why was the appeal to have flag

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Speaker 2: Yeah, up until apparently this week was that it was

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Speaker 2: a symbol of January sixth, which, of course is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: This is a completely story. This is a flag that

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Speaker 2: I think the Massachusetts National Guard, as one of their symbols.

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Speaker 2: Symbols get co opted by different people, different movements all

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Speaker 2: more than just New York Times. It's the whole diaspora

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Speaker 2: Pro Publica is big into this. They definitely helped fund

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Speaker 2: the upside down flag story, but this is part of

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Speaker 2: their and they also are the ones who funded all

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Speaker 2: those stories against Clarence Thomas, suggesting that he is corrupt

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Speaker 1: And yet here we are looking at the destruction of

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Speaker 1: one to put this Steve. I think that they just

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Speaker 1: Like they might have been a little bit more, they

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Speaker 1: Thomas more than any other judges out there right now.

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Speaker 2: I would throw Kavanaugh into that mix. I think they

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Speaker 2: there's definitely less animosity towards Corsic or Barrett, but I

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Speaker 2: Kavanaugh at least is a Trump judge, And that's kind

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Speaker 2: of the irony here is that Bush is supposed to

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Speaker 2: too Bush appointees. Thomas Alito.

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Speaker 1: I want to come back and talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the New York City Trump trial situation here. CON's

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Speaker 1: going to keep me from thinking that the Republic is doomed?

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Speaker 1: All Right, con back to the mix heere of New

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Speaker 1: think that this has made an irreparable farce of the

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Speaker 1: District Attorney's office in Manhattan.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's an easy one. It has made

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Speaker 2: a complete far so the District Attorney's office. Absolutely, It's

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Speaker 2: as far as the verdict itself, I go back and forth,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I think it's the Ejan Carrol

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Speaker 2: verdict took so quickly to come back, but that that

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Speaker 2: wasn't a criminal matter. It only takes one to get

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Speaker 2: a hung jury. And this is such a weaker case

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Speaker 2: even than the Ejane Caroll one, much much higher standard

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Speaker 2: of evidence that needs to be crossed here, you know,

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Speaker 2: she could have come up and totally corroborated her story,

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Speaker 2: you know, Kavanaugh might have been not Kavanaugh, but this

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Speaker 2: other senators might have caved. And so it only it

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Speaker 2: only takes one honest American to to fight back against

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Speaker 2: against the left and and stop their plans. Uh. And

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Speaker 2: there's twelve of them in that jury, so it's possible.

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Speaker 2: It's possible. I mean, this trial has been fixed by

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Speaker 1: Well, what do you think is the most egregious thing

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Speaker 1: that Judge Mrschahn has done? I mean, most egregiously unfair.

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Speaker 2: the bookkeeping crimes, but that's the underlying clime. Those are

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Speaker 2: But he Trump isn't even charged with the crime. And

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Speaker 1: What do you think happens to the other trials if

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Speaker 1: there's a hung jury here, do you think it has

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Speaker 1: any effect on whether they tried it? No effect, not

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Speaker 2: I mean the judges of each of those are on

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Speaker 2: it doesn't look like that's going to get done in time.

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Speaker 2: and again we're waiting on that decision. That decision is

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Speaker 2: then that decision could even kick it away even further

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Speaker 2: District Court, which will put it even further down the calendar.

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Speaker 2: And neither of those considerations are going to be made

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Speaker 1: So the political implications of this, as you see it,

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Speaker 1: Trump has found guilty. What do the polls do in response?

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Speaker 1: Trump has a hung jury? What do the polls do

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Speaker 1: in response? You know, up, down or stay the same?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think hung jury, it's just through the

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Speaker 2: total witch hunt. But I still prevailed anyways, And I

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Speaker 1: I think that's the situation which they find themselves. So

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Speaker 2: I think it has to be the convention. That's the

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Speaker 1: And the early debate, to you, is it just clear

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen another explanation on that. I mean, that

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a pretty partisan Democrat. So I I

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Speaker 1: All right, con you're ready for a quick lightning around

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Best book you've read in the last year.

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Speaker 2: Oh, wow, I've read so many for for another project

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Speaker 2: I'm working on. Let me see. Oh you know, I'll

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Speaker 2: go ahead and give a shout out to Rob Henderson.

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Speaker 2: His book Troubled That was that was a good one.

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Speaker 2: It's a memoir of his time in foster homes and

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Speaker 2: A very very great story touching book. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Best war movie ever made?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Ever made? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Hot Seat, my friend, Lightning round. Here we go.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'll go with Apocalypse now, I just for

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Speaker 1: And the the best advice you could give somebody going

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Speaker 2: Oh, guests to the barbecue. Six pack twelve pack? You know,

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Speaker 2: just uh of what of?

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Speaker 1: What beer? But what your bud light? What are we

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Speaker 2: Not bud light, anything but bud light twelve.

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Speaker 1: A twelve pack of not bud Light. There we go.

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Speaker 2: So not everyone has this, but my wife makes some

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Speaker 2: amazing deviled eggs, so we pretty much always bring that

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Speaker 1: So that may be a bit like showing up with caviar.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If you saw, they're killing four million

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Speaker 2: Well, I do love me some devil eggs.

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Speaker 1: Well, there we go. Devil eggs, and you can actually

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Speaker 1: put caviar on your devil eggs if you want to

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Speaker 1: be super fancy. But important tip for this one con

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Speaker 1: you have to wear a top hat and a monocle

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll stick to Paprika. How about that.

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Speaker 1: There we go, We'll take it. Con Carol, everybody go

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Speaker 1: to the Washington Examiner read his latest there and con

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for hanging out with us, absolutely anytime. But