1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: So it's no secret that the world in a large 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: part depends upon the tireless individuals studying STEM, by which 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: we mean science, technology, engineering, mathematics and being a scientist. 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: As many of our fellow listeners can assure you, it's 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: not the same thing as being the scientist you'll see 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: portrayed in film or on a TV show, you know 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like Fringe is a super cool show. 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: I loved it. But being a scientist can be tedious. 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: It can be very demanding. You can often be underpaid, 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: and in some cases you can be murdered, especially if 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: certain bad actors don't like what you're working on or 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: what your work could mean for them or their business, 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: or their ideology or country. And we're gonna look at 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: a trend. It's pretty disturbing scientists and dying in this episode. 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: And we did this episode before Russian medical professionals gained 16 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: that nasty habit of falling out of windows from UFOs 17 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: two ghosts and government cover ups. History is writted with 18 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, welcome back 20 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt and I'm Ben 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: and this is stuff they don't want you to know. 22 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: And today, like every day here, it's stuff they don't 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: want you to know. We're tackling something pretty grim. Grim. Yeah, 24 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: but it's the thing. It's a thing that people should 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: know about. When you say, Matt agreed, and that's what 26 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna do. We're gonna tell you the things you 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: should know that they don't want you to know. There 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: we go, do we get close to copyright? Josh and 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: Truck are gonna bust in here in a second. Now. 30 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: It's it's interesting, you know, just before you and I 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: win on air, we were talking about this book of 32 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: surrealist games, which which I just got in the mail earlier, 33 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: and a lot of it is writing prompts or different 34 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: ways to draw things. The idea is to get a 35 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: new perspective and to get out of your head. And 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: speaking of fantastic segues, I will bring this back later. 37 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: I mentioned for a reason, Uh, what are we talking 38 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: about today, Matt. We're asking the question is someone really 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: assassinating scientists and inventors? And for you ladies and gentlemen 40 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: out there in the audience, the answer will probably be, 41 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: of course, given the span of human history, numerous people 42 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: have been killed for a multitude of reasons. Um. But 43 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: we have to be very careful the offset not to 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: start thinking of this in terms of good guys and 45 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: bad guys. Now, it's more complicated than that. It turns 46 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: out that there really aren't any good or bad guys. 47 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: There are competing interests, right, Yeah, just like nation states 48 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: don't have friends, they have interests that may or may 49 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: not align. Um. So the reason I mentioned the perspective, 50 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: the importance of perspective, which is explored in this book 51 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: of surrealist games, uh which spoiler alert I haven't read completely, 52 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: is that there are differing perspectives upon what constitutes an 53 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: assassination or a murder. So what what is what? What's 54 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: the dif dif what's what's the difference assassination and murder? Okay, 55 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: So an assassination is a type of murder. It's you 56 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: kind of have to look at the motivation. So if 57 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: it's for impersonal reasons, if you're looking at political or 58 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: financial gain, if say this person X is killed, or 59 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: if it's a high profile person like a world leader, 60 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: or let's say a scientist, an expert in their field, 61 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: some one who is an heir to some kind of 62 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: massive fortune, or even an inventor somebody who has technology 63 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: that isn't out in the public hands yet, but this 64 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: person knows how it works. That could be considered an assassination. 65 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: We'll see a few of those two. And murder, on 66 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: the other hand, then would be in this perspective. Murders 67 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: that are not assassinations are often things like crimes of passion, 68 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: or they're motivated by lower level personal gains small amount 69 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 1: of money, social obligations you know, like you're joining a gang, 70 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: or emotional motivations jealousy, anger, all the hits. Yeah. So 71 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: the implication of the word assassination is that the person 72 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: involved in the killing is motivated by trying to maintain 73 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,119 Speaker 1: the status quo of some situation, or to advance their 74 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: personal position or perhaps their country's position um or even 75 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: to perhaps overturn an entire system. Oh yeah, like when 76 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: the Black Hand assassinated Fronds he at an end right, 77 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: triggering the World War um or another example of maintaining 78 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: a status quo. For those of us who believe that 79 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: not everything was on the up and up about the 80 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: JFK RFK murders assassinate somebody thinks that wasn't just yeah, 81 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: really too long gun guys who didn't know each other 82 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: and just coincidentally decided to Yeah, anyway, research, Yeah, that's 83 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: a different show maybe. But if if you believe in that, 84 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: then you probably believe that the Kennedy's were murdered to 85 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: maintain a status quo or advance the position and influence 86 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: of the people involved in it. So with that's a 87 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: different story, as we said, and I'm getting a little 88 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: derailed here, but it is correct to say then that 89 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: UM forces have assassinated, not just murdered scientists. So it 90 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: goes back to the perspective the killing, the motivation. They're 91 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: not stabbing these people or shooting them for you know, 92 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: twenty three dollars and some change in their lab coat, 93 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: which is so stereotypical. I'm I'm not saying they walk 94 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: around a lab coats, but they'd be easier to spot. Yeah, 95 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: it would be easier spot. But whoever has killed these 96 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: people has assassinated them, uh, usually related to their work. Right, 97 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, it's tough to know exactly who 98 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: is doing the assassinating. Who are they It's really tough 99 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: to know because in a lot of cases there's not 100 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: solid proof, that's just pointing you in the direction of 101 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: one person or the other because they're, like we said, 102 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: competing interests in this one area. And let's say a 103 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: scientist in Iran gets assassinated, just as one example, there 104 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: are a lot of groups that would potentially want to 105 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: not have the Iranian nuclear weapons pro Graham continue on, 106 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: So who do you point the finger at when there 107 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: are there's a whole group of people you can be 108 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: looking at, And in Iran they wouldn't even say it's 109 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: a weapon program, just an energy sure, just an energy program. 110 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's that's true. So we know that the 111 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: alleged perpetrators are, at least as far as we can tell, 112 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: most often governments. So the United States, USSR, Israel, North Korea, China, Singapore, Germany, 113 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: South Africa got in the game. And then, uh, the 114 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: other group of play, of course, which you and I 115 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: have argued before on the show, might be the new 116 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: nation state is the corporation. So of corporation has also 117 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: been killing inventors and have they been killing scientists? Um, 118 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: we've got the outline here, right, We've got the big picture, 119 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: But what are some actual examples. All right, let's just 120 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: jump right in. So one would be Daniel McFarlane More. 121 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: He was an inventor and he created the More lamp, 122 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: which was the first really commercially viable light source that 123 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: was based on gas. Okay, and he was shot by 124 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: another rival inventor in nineteen thirty six. So that's just 125 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: another example where competing interest in his field decided it 126 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: would be better if he wasn't there. Yeah, and it 127 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: continues because another example would be Gerald Bull, Canadian engineer. 128 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: And this is really interesting story, Matt, This, I want 129 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: to do an episode or series on Project Babylon. This 130 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: this pretty recent and you actually hit me to this 131 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: a few years back. I only been doing this for 132 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: a while, but you hit me to this a few 133 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: years back. Gerald Bull, long range artillery inventor. This guy 134 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: just loved building guns bigger and bigger and bigger guns. Uh. 135 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: The actual technical term for these would be super guns. 136 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: And Project Babylon was a supergun that he was building 137 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: for the Iraqi government. He was assassinated in Belgium in 138 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: n And then going back to how murky it can 139 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: be to trace the killers. Uh, The guesses for this 140 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: are all over the place. So they said maybe Iran 141 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: did it, and that that makes sense because Iran and Iraq, 142 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: of course we're not allies. Especially Yeah, maybe Israel did it, um, 143 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: which makes sense because Iraq and Israel and not particularly allies. 144 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: Maybe the CIA or m I six, who they get 145 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: brought up in almost every assassination stories were fined. Maybe Chilean, Syrian, 146 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: or South African governments or hey, even the Iraqi government 147 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: could have been behind the assassination. So it is clear 148 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: that he was not murdered for some sort of personal reason, 149 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: but that he was assassinated due to his unique knowledge 150 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: about this gigantic long range artillery. Yeah, and he's had 151 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: been making and inventing these weapons for a long time, 152 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: so anyone who was on the other end of one 153 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: of his weapons, any one of those governments, may have 154 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: been a culprit. That's a really good point. So another 155 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: person is Stanley Meyer, and we did a whole episode 156 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: on this. Highly recommend you check out the video series 157 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: on Mr. Meyer. He died in nine He was the 158 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: inventor of this water powered fuel cell alleged water power 159 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: or fuel cell um. His brother we talked about this, 160 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: but his brother thinks that Stanley was poisoned while they 161 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: were about to eat because they were going to go 162 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: meet a couple of Belgian investors, and I guess Stanley 163 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: ran out of the cafe or the restaurant they were 164 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: in and complained that he was choking. He thought he 165 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: had been poisoned, and he died. And this easy. Yeah. 166 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: Check out this episode if you get a chance, because 167 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: we found a lot of interesting stuff there. Now you 168 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: will also find quite a few people saying that the 169 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: water powered fuel cell has been soundly debunked. And then 170 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: on the other side, his friends and family are saying 171 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: that he grew increasingly paranoid and that he was increasingly 172 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: convinced that the powers that be, whomever they might be, 173 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: were after him to suppress his invention. It's really interesting 174 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: his story to me. I don't mean to pause too 175 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: long here, but I can imagine that even if his 176 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: fuel cell car water fuel cell car didn't work the 177 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: way that he thought it worked, if he thought it 178 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: worked the way it did, and it would be this 179 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: huge game changer, and it would be I can see 180 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: how he could create a ton of the suspicion and 181 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: the paranoia in his own mind by thinking that it 182 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: was this new thing that everyone's gonna want. But what 183 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: if it was right? What if it was We do 184 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: know that, of course, inventions really can be suppressed in 185 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: the United States legally, which is probably still one of 186 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: the most frightening things we've learned on this show. But 187 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: inventors are not the only subjects of assassination based on 188 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: their knowledge. As a matter of fact, we have a 189 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: much more concrete record and clear timeline of scientists who 190 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: have been assassinated. That's right. We can look at David 191 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: Joseph Webster, who was an anthropologist and a social activist 192 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: who was murdered by assassin's working for South Africa's Civil 193 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: Cooperation Bureau, and they think this is due to his 194 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: political activism um i e. His the anti apartheid movement 195 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: in nine Yeah. And what's interesting about the South African 196 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: cases is that with the post apartheid government, um we 197 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: are now able to learn a lot of the dirty 198 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: secrets of apartheid era South Africa that we would never 199 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: have known otherwise. And that's also a reason that a 200 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: lot of secrets about the U s s R came 201 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: out Because once a government is defunct, uh, then all 202 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden transparency becomes a little bit easier, more plausible. Um, 203 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: you can argue, of course, that governments who have continually 204 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: covered up their stuff have a whole walking closet of 205 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: skeletons just waiting to waiting to see the light of day, 206 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: and maybe an underground bunker full. I mean, you know, 207 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: if that's way better? Yes, uh so, Uh, this name 208 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: I'll probably mispronounce here, yah L Mashad, an Egyptian nuclear 209 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: scientists who was in charge of the Iraqi nuclear program, 210 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: was killed in Paris in Now you can take a 211 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: wild guest who's generally blamed for that one. Right, let's 212 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: say ding ding ding day, Yeah, and blue ribbon to 213 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: our contestant, Matt Frederick, because yeah, because it's in a 214 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: it's it's a nuclear program in the Middle East that 215 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: is not Israel's top secret nuclear program. Excuse me, finger, 216 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: it's around top secret. Yeah, um, mordecaiva nunu. I'm never 217 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: gonna get out of a a man. I turned around and 218 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: Chandler was staring at me, and I honestly was a 219 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: little scared for a minute. Yeah. That's uh, our producer 220 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: predator Chandler out there mining some stuff for an upcoming 221 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: episode hopefully. And let's pause for a moment to give 222 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: a shout out to our super producer Noel. Oh, he's 223 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: in the house again running the boards. Everything that you 224 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: guys like sound wise, I didn't see him dance. He's 225 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: not gonna do it again. But everything you guys like 226 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: sound wise comes from Noel, So we do always want 227 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: to thank him in the course of the show. And uh, 228 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: moving on back to the killing of scientists. Yeah, yeah, Unfortunately, 229 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes we have to make it a little lighter 230 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: for ourselves because it gets it gets pretty down when 231 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: we look at these things. Ben and I think we 232 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: have to lift our spirits somehow. Yeah, it can, It 233 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: can get pretty heavy. I'm speaking of heavy though. I 234 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: have a question for you about this next guy. I 235 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: want to see if you think this is a murder 236 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: or an assassination. A guy named Ernest Gibbons an entomologist. 237 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: In two while he was in Uganda researching tropical disease, 238 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: he was killed via spear by tribesmen who thought that 239 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: he would use their blood samples for witchcraft. Interesting, so 240 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: we've got him on the assassination list because technically it's 241 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: a murder to maintain a status quo. Yeah, they killed 242 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: him because they're afraid of a position right right or 243 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: their life or was it in defense self defense? And 244 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: from their perspective, going back to shifting perspectives, it surely 245 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: was an active defense. And I mean all of the 246 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: terrible things that so many Europeans were doing in Africa 247 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: in the forties. Um, it's it's tough to make that 248 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: tough to make that col. I mean, of course they 249 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: should not have killed him, and if especially if this 250 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: guy sounds like he was researching tropical disease with an 251 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: eye towards curing it, right, not weaponizing it, which again 252 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: is another podcast we should do later the scientists out 253 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: their weaponizing diseases. But let's move on. I just want 254 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: to hear what you guys think if that is that 255 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: a murder and assassination. Okay, let's look at PIM fourteen 256 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: and I'm probably spelled in incorrectly. P I M f 257 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: O r t U y N. He was a Dutch 258 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: sociologist and a politician. He was I don't know how 259 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: to put this nicely. He was rather anti Muslim. Uh, 260 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: should I say he was kind of racist? He was 261 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: kind of racist? Yeah, I feel like that's fair, at 262 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: least that's what it seems from my opinion. Anyway, he 263 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: was assassinated because of of those political views and because 264 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: of those UH strongly held notions right anti immigration, and 265 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: he was reacting to the what what he saw as 266 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: the erosion of traditional Dutch culture. And you know, that's 267 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that Anders Bravick h committed the 268 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: mass murder of those children. And there's a there's a 269 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: rise in this sort of sentiment in Europe, or rather 270 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: we should say a resurgence or modern modern iteration. And then, 271 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: of course we should mention the numerous scientists in history 272 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: who have been killed as part of a mass murder. 273 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: We've got here on the outline scientists who died in 274 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: Nazi concentration camps. Um. Of course, many brilliant scientists died 275 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: in concentration camps. Uh. There were also prominent people who 276 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: died in the massacre and Rwanda and one of another 277 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: stark example of widespread I would say assassination of scientists 278 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: occurs in Cambodia under the rule of pol Pot. Yeah, 279 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: and Uh, I don't know if you know this we've 280 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: talked about before. Uh, did I ever tell you pol 281 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: Pot's real name, his birth name Saloth Saral. Yeah, just 282 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: a bit of trivia. And we haven't dug into the 283 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: history of Cambodia, but we would like to examine it 284 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: in another podcast. If that's something you're interested in, just 285 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: let us know and it holds up. Unfortunately, it's often 286 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: treated as a as a cliche or a platitude, at 287 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: least in English. I don't know. I don't want to 288 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: assume everybody's native language is English listening, but we often say, 289 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: you know, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. Often 290 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: things are only cliches because they are so true. And uh. 291 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: In in this case with with the ISAIS video that 292 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: we had done recently, we found that that was also 293 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: um it also obeyed that rule the development of that group, 294 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: which was ongoing and which um it's very strange for 295 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: us to do podcasts on things that are still underway. 296 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: You know, our series, we don't know exactly what is 297 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: going to happen in the Middle East. And again I 298 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: would ask you guys, ladies and gentlemen to check out 299 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,239 Speaker 1: our video on ISIS and let us know what you 300 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: believe the future of this group is. Because it goes 301 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: without saying, but I'll say it that it's enormously controversial 302 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: and complicated and complicated and does not have the approval 303 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: of the Muslim world at large. So please do check that. 304 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: We've also heard a lot of theories about who actually 305 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: controls them, which is what our video is about. Is 306 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: it a Western group, UH funding these people? Is it 307 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: a a Middle Eastern group that has a problem with Shia, 308 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: because I believe Isais is Sunni Um And speaking of 309 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: the Middle East, Now we go to the thing that 310 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: inspired a lot of our series on scientists assassinations. A 311 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: little bit of context the quickened dirty first, for anyone 312 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: who hasn't seen our video or does not know about this. 313 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: For a number of years, as you have probably heard, 314 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: Iran and the Western world have been at a near 315 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: eight of war. You have probably heard hawks in both 316 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: the United States, Europe Israel as well, UH saying that 317 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: Iran is closer and closer to achieving a nuclear weapon 318 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: and becoming a nuclear power is in most cases a 319 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: point of no return for the world order, and it 320 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: changes things. Yeah, because now you're a real threat, and 321 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: you can't get bullied quite as much, and you're also 322 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: extremely dangerous right, and nuclear power is considered, at least 323 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: under a deterrence theory, the ultimate stay out of my 324 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: affairs kind of weapon. UH. In some cases, UH countries 325 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: have gotten close to this and then been coerced or 326 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: coaxed into UH stopping their nuclear programs. But Iran maintains 327 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: that it has a right to nuclear energy, and they 328 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: say that it's energy and not weaponry. The problem is 329 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: that the same processes used to refine nuclear material to 330 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: make a nuclear power plant are the same processes that 331 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: can be used to create nuclear weapons. UH. It's a 332 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: dangerous line. It's a dangerous line, and it's UM. It's 333 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: a It's an interesting thing because going back to perspective, 334 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: the Western perspective is often that if Iran achieves nuclear 335 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: power game over man to quote aliens, UH, there will 336 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: simply be a nuclear war. And in other perspectives and 337 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: non Western perspectives, UH, the the constraints and the demands 338 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: made by the West against Iran are seen as trying 339 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: to push her on into war because UH, the West 340 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: and the sunny empires of the Middle East do not 341 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: want the Shia to trieve regional hegemony right, and they 342 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,479 Speaker 1: control that straight up hor moves, I believe where all 343 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: the oil comes from. So, like we said, it's tremendously 344 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: complicated in the model. No, it's totally fine. There's just 345 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: there's so many competing interests out there, and then a whole, 346 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: a whole other set of competing interests in the Western 347 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: world that are all looking and trying to figure out 348 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: the chest pieces of what's going on over there. And 349 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: then when you have, you know, a fairly small country 350 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: like Iran that has this developing technology that could lead 351 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: to uh, either disastrous results or just be a thorn 352 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: in the side of anybody who wants to manipulate the area. Right. Yeah, 353 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: So at some point, a few years back, the governing 354 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: powers of um some country, right, because still no one 355 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: is quite sure who this is or no ones admitting it. 356 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: At some point a group of very powerful people said, 357 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, this paperwork has taken a while, and uh, 358 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: I don't have to wait for the u N to 359 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: vote on stuff, so let's just start killing the people 360 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: who are in charge of the nuclear program. Now, don't 361 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter if you think it was 362 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: a good decision or bad decision, if you're if you're 363 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: pro or anti either side. The fact of the matter 364 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: is that this happened. Somebody is killing these people. It 365 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: happened in a dark room, quiet conversation between two people. 366 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: Maybe it happened out in the open somewhere because it 367 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: was harder to attract or listen to. But it happened right, 368 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: and we know what happened because we have just in 369 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: this show, we have no less than five examples of 370 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: when this happened. So let's look at Majid Sharrari, a 371 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: nuclear engineer who was assassinated in two thousand ten. Uh, 372 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: there were some unidentified assailants who wrote up on motorcycles 373 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: and attached bombs to this person's car and they detonated 374 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: it from a distance. They rode away and detonated the 375 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: bombs that they just stuck to the sides of the cars. 376 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: And Iran initially and I believe still currently blames Massaud 377 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: for this. And then for another example, we have our 378 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: this year hosting Porta. I'm mispronouncing this name, but uh. 379 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: This was a scientist and professor of electro magnetism. Died 380 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven. According to Stratford, which is 381 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: a privately run intelligence analysts corporation. This scientist was killed 382 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: either via gassing or radioactive poisoning, and this was also 383 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: blamed on the United States and or Israel. However, Massade 384 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: sources denied these allegations, which means that it is possible 385 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: that the scientists asphyxiated due to gas fumes while asleep. However, 386 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: to me, that doesn't hold water. Given the studies and 387 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: the professional biography or the CV of this person, I'm 388 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: fairly certain Hosting Poor was assassinated. Then there's Massoud Ali Mohammady. 389 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: He was a quantum field theorist and an elementary particle physicist. 390 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: In two thousand ten, he died because his motorcycle was 391 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: apparently booby trapped and it exploded and he died in 392 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: the explosion, and Iran demanded the extradition of a couple 393 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: of these Tonedar members. They're an expatriate association based in 394 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: the US and they're often thought of my Iran as 395 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: a terrorist group. And it's good that we're recording this 396 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: now because we had a video that came out explaining 397 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: some of the nature proxies in in these kinds of 398 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: dirty war wars or clandestine assassination wars. And Tondar is 399 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: a group based in the United States of Iranian Americans 400 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: or originally Iranian nationals who left uh either in response 401 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: to the increasingly strict policies of Iran post revolution or 402 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: in response to the revolution. So they are not was 403 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: it they they're not friends of the of the current government. 404 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: And in Iran they are treated as a terrorist group, right, 405 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: but in the United States they are not. They're thought 406 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: of as an expatriate organization. And we see that happening often, 407 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, and thinking the video, we mentioned emmy k 408 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: and we mentioned Hi Bellah and the other groups that 409 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: are terrorists to some countries and not terrorists in other 410 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: Countries's moving on number four. Darush Raisiana Jade uh this 411 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: is again my mispronunciation. I apologized to all Farsi speakers. 412 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: Uh This was an engineering student assassinated by gunmen in 413 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. Uh Uran also blames this on massade 414 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: because uh Daryosh's research was on high voltage switches, which 415 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: would be a crucial component in the nuclear technology that 416 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: the country was and is pursuing. Last on our list, 417 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: we have Mustafa Mati Roshan, who was a nuclear scientist 418 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: and a professor and apparently he died by an explosive 419 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: and two thousand twelve. So these are just five examples 420 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: of assassinations that we know occurred. This doesn't mean that 421 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: these are the only ones by any means, and it 422 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't mean that Uranian scienti are the only people 423 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: being assassinated. We're not trying to vilify any country because frankly, 424 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: a lot of these countries are using clandestine means when 425 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: the official channels don't work. And we didn't put anything 426 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: in here about the corporations. But Matt, you remember the 427 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: guy who allegedly died by hanging himself in Singapore, and 428 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: he was working with uh some electronics, some uh my conductors, right, yeah, 429 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: the name escapes me now. But the police in Singapore 430 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: did not even investigate the crime scene, which the family 431 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: found out about when they flew to Singapore. They're convinced 432 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: that he was murdered, uh possibly to keep the secret 433 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: of his research, because he was a US national working 434 00:29:53,840 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: for a foreign company. And there's this entire underbelly, or 435 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: this entire unreported segment of suspiciously convenient deaths that that 436 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: just runs through so much of the rarefied world of 437 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: high tech expertise, and it's frightening. Well, it's really frightening 438 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: because if if you die in a certain way that 439 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: doesn't look suspicious, even sometimes if it looks a little suspicious, Yeah, 440 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: like you end up in a bag. Yeah, that's that's locked. 441 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: Let's say from the outside in a bathtub. Oh I 442 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: believe we mentioned him in the video. Yeah, sorry, you 443 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: go really go back and watch our video if you 444 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: get the chance. It's not very long. You'll enjoy it 445 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: and it'll scare you. Well, I will set you down 446 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: a rabbit hole, that's for sure. So one of the 447 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: last things that we talked about, this is one of 448 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: my favorite parts of the show, Matt, is that now 449 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: we can speak speculates of lee, we can talk about 450 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: our opinions, and let's be very careful to differentiate our 451 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: opinions from the facts. We talked about the facts earlier. 452 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: So with these allegations, right, because we still have to 453 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: call them allegations in most cases since they have not 454 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: been proven. You know, no intelligence agency has been prosecuted 455 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: for these murders, nor have any operatives. Right, let's talk 456 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: pros and cons. So there's a reason that these people 457 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: are are being assassinated, and the governing powers of the 458 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: people who are carrying out these assassinations clearly believe that 459 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: it is worth it to murder assassinate someone. Let's try 460 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: and find these silver lining here. If there is anything, 461 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: the biggest thing would be there. Perhaps there is a 462 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: reason that some of these people have been killed, and 463 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: it's because the people who killed them believe that by 464 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: killing them, they will be saving hundreds, if not thousands, 465 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: or millions of others. Let's say, for instance, the around 466 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: Ian scientists. Perhaps there's a person, let's I'm just this 467 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: is all my opinion somewhere I don't know, hanging out 468 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: CIA headquarters, who decided where these are the guys we 469 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: need to take out so that a nuclear weapon won't 470 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: happen in Iran. So the idea being that, the idea 471 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: being that it's ultimately better or even morally superior, to 472 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: take a few lives in order to save possibly thousands. Right, Possibly, 473 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 1: it's a big if, right, even even even if you're 474 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: trying to go positive with it, it's a huge if, 475 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: because who's to say what even if a weapon system 476 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: did happen there, who's to say what's going to happen. 477 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: You can't see the future. Well maybe the CIA can, 478 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: and I just don't know about it. Uh, I highly 479 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: doubt that though. Well there, you know, we can also 480 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,239 Speaker 1: talk about some of the the clear cons for this 481 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: sort of thing, assassinating someone by any measure of the 482 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: of the international norms, is it's against the law. It's 483 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: eight shades of illegal, you know, And uh, I guess 484 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: I just have fifty shades of illegal a topical joke, 485 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: and it's corn already. If you don't, oh yeah, well 486 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: it's too late at the dies cast. But but the 487 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: point is that this sort of thing also clearly, clearly 488 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: and perhaps irrevocably damages relationships between countries. Already tense situations 489 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: begin to deteriorate. Uh. Spycraft is crazy. And you know, 490 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: at some point we have to ask ourselves, we as 491 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: as human beings, have to ask ourselves, is is spycraft, 492 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: generally over the long term, of benefit to the world 493 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: or is it of short term benefit to a small 494 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: group of people? To the status quot right to the 495 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: status quote. Now, you know, we've we've all heard the 496 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 1: stories about the Cold War and the extensive, crazy amount 497 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: of spine that went on there, and it seemed that 498 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: the USSR and the United States were constantly uh putting 499 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: out their own propaganda and and neck and neck in 500 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: some races, but then also started believing their own propaganda. 501 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: I just wonder, I just wonder what this means for 502 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: the future of science. Yeah, well, I think it creates 503 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: a lot of suspicion and paranoia in those fields. And 504 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna make it's gonna make at least high priority 505 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: science that's happening much more secretive. And that's scary because 506 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: that's not what it's supposed to be. Big science is 507 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: supposed to be public and shared. And you know, it's 508 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: like we talked about with patents a while ago, what 509 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: what the patent system does to science? Because now I, 510 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: as the inventor or the scientist, I want to reap 511 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: the rewards rather than you know, spread them out amongst humanity. Yeah, 512 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: I was. I was thinking the same thing too, because 513 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, right now, uh, various countries have sanctions systems 514 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: against one another, right Uh, the there's sanctions systems against 515 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: North Korea which are primarily intended to punish the elite, 516 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: who are the only people who really have access to 517 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: those sorts of luxury goods. But then there there's sanctions 518 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: against um Iran as well, and there's this huge debate 519 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: in the international sphere over whether or not sanctions work. 520 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: But one of my concerns is what if education starts 521 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: becomeing a good that can be sanctioned. You know, what 522 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: if what if you're bright student and you cannot go 523 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: to the best university for your field because it happens 524 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: to be in France, or it happens to be in 525 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, it happens to be Harvard or something that's disturbing. 526 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: I I hope that never happens. Um. Sorry, Ben, you're 527 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: freaking me out, because you know, education is one of 528 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: those things that's so under it's such an under priority 529 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: or a non priority, seems to be from a public standpoint, 530 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: at least here in the US. And we're arriving at 531 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: this point, this crossroads met where it is possible that 532 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: education in the future will be free, will be a 533 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: universal human right. And I know, even just the phrase 534 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: human rights can just on its own set people's certain 535 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: people's hair on end. But you know, if you look 536 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: at it, we're we're moving into a world where the 537 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: cost of information is so cheap that people are able 538 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: to just with an Internet connection. Uh directly learned from 539 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: some of the smartest folks in the world. And what if, 540 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: in the interest of national security, people begin to lose 541 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: access to that information. I'm always I'm always very skeptical, 542 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: and I have been increasingly skeptical of national security as 543 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: a reason for things. Yeah, I think you should be. 544 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: It's been abused a lot. I wish I could just 545 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: claim national security in my personal life, you know what 546 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean? Personal security? Maybe I'm oh, it's gonna be 547 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: national it's got to be an offense issue. Yeah, I'm sorry. 548 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: I can't go to work next week? Why national security? 549 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: I shouldn't even be talking to you about this? Just 550 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: cover for me. You know it would work for you, Ben, 551 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: would work for you. I think it would have worked 552 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: more for you. I wouldn't think twice if if Jerry 553 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: told me, Hey, look, Ben's and I here national security? 554 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: Is it? The new base that you can tag in conversation? 555 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: Is okay? So I don't want to get us too 556 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: off base map. But I wanted to talk about this 557 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: on the air because I thought the listeners would like it, 558 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: and I think it might answer some conversation JU and 559 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: I have been having for a long time. I was 560 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: thinking about the term conspiracy theory, and you and I 561 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: have you know, kicked this around all the time because 562 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: often used as an insult. Right, So, why when people 563 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: hear the phrase conspiracy theory will they throw out completely 564 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: reasonable stuff like banks cooperating with drug cartels, which, excuse 565 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: my hiccup, we scooped the Daily Show on right. Huge 566 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: fans if you're listening to our show, thank you, But 567 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: we we really did find that often that phrase alone 568 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: was enough to completely um, what's a good word? Every yeah, negate, 569 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: any any evidence, anything like that. And people who prized 570 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: themselves as critical thinkers stopped thinking critically or even skeptically 571 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 1: when they heard the phrase conspiracy theory. They just went, oh, well, 572 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: that's total bs. So I finally figured out a theory 573 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 1: about what this is, or I should say I found 574 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: a book by someone who figured it out. Uh. There's 575 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: an author named Robert J. Lifton who wrote a book 576 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: called Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism. And in 577 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: the Psychology of Totalism he brings up a very interesting idea, 578 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 1: the thought terminating cliche. It's a cliche that is commonly 579 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: used phrase that you hear that will quell this cognitive 580 00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: dissonance or justify fallacious logic, or just di miss any 581 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,240 Speaker 1: opposing viewpoints. So you know, on the internet, when someone says, hey, 582 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,919 Speaker 1: you guys, stop picking on that person, then someone else goes, oh, 583 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: look it is your white nighting. Right, white nighting would 584 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: be a thought terminating cliche there, because then all of 585 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: a sudden has all these connotations of like everything that 586 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: the prior person said now is looked at under this light. Yeah, 587 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because of you and 588 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: what you are, and everybody knows because of this special 589 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: word or phrase. And so what what I'm finding is 590 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: that going back to this, I know, we walked a 591 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: long way for this one, but going back to it, 592 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: national security is turning into a thought terminating cliche, turning 593 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: into man, I think it's been there. Well, it's valid 594 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 1: in certain context you know, sure, it's valid. Conspiracy theory 595 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: is super valid in certain contexts. That's true. I just 596 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: you know, like, what's an example of national security. I 597 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: don't want people to be able to take warheads on 598 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: planes on commercial flights. You know, that is a matter 599 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: of national security, it sure is. Uh. And T s A. 600 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: If you're listening, good luck, guys, UH, because I don't 601 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: think you know, I personally don't have the highest opinion 602 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 1: with the T s A. Yeah, well we can get 603 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: into that and the T s A and security theater 604 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: and we can talk about that later. Security theater. I 605 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 1: like that phrase. Um, it's not mine, but it's true. 606 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna look it up. And I'm sorry 607 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,919 Speaker 1: if that was too much of a tangent. It happens, man, 608 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: cliche happens us. Conspiracy theorists go on tangents more and more. 609 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: I think the term conspiracy realist or critical thinking is acting. 610 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: That's it, conspiracy realist. And I don't know if someone's 611 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: really coined that phrase or not, but I like it. 612 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: All Right, we called it then unless someone else has 613 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: done it. You heard it here first, Matt and Ben 614 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,720 Speaker 1: called dibbs. I mean, who can own a phrase that's 615 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: that's weird. Yeah, we'll just put it on a T shirt. 616 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: Maybe that'll be enough. Um, But we'd also like to 617 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: hear your opinions about these assassinations of scientists. Is it 618 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: is it correct? Is it? Is it morally justifiable to 619 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: assassinate someone who would, for all intents and purposes, count 620 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: as a civilian right. And are there other cases of 621 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: inventors or scientists being assassinated that you want us and 622 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: the rest of your fellow listeners to know about. Uh? 623 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: If so, UH let us know. And just to emphasize 624 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: how important listener mail is to us, we have a 625 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: listener mail uh today. Excellent, Let's get to it. We 626 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: got this message from Greg s. He says, Hey, guys, 627 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: and watching you for some time, and I thought i'd 628 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: take some time in first congratulating you on all your success. 629 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: I know it's hard to get things going, but you 630 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: all did it, and I hope the best success for 631 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: you in the future. The reason why I'm taking some 632 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: time just to talk to you today is because I 633 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: really like for you to dive into the new pope 634 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: and tie in the idea of him being a Jesuit 635 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: and of course knowing what a Jesuit really stands for 636 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: and what they have been doing since the beginning. I 637 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: think you'll find a lot of major wars and collapses 638 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 1: or starters from Jesuits. I hope this intrigues you to 639 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,720 Speaker 1: find out more or just to inform people a little 640 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 1: on what Jesuits are interesting, Greg, I don't know, is 641 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: it feels a little touchy to me this subject already. Well, 642 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: we can definitely look at the history of Jesuits, because 643 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, other than Jesuit schools, I don't know 644 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: very much about the the organization and um and I 645 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 1: do know that the the new Pope is a Jesuit, right, Uh. 646 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: I would be really interested to dig in here and 647 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: see what we find. Uh. So, Greg, thank you so 648 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: much for writing to us, and we you know what, 649 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you up on it. I'm gonna I'm 650 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: gonna look into this. Yeah, we'll at least do some 651 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: some digging, right, because there's there are always so many skeletons, 652 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: they're just under the surface, especially a very old organizations. So, Greg, 653 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: you say that a lot of major wars and collapses 654 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: come from Jesuit organization. Yeah, let's see what's up with that. Man, 655 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: figure it out. Stuart, Well, thank you so much DJ 656 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: Logic for writing in. So yeah, if you again, if 657 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: you have any ideas for a show topic, send it 658 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: to us. You can find us on Facebook. We're conspiracy 659 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: stuff there you can find us on Twitter. 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