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Speaker 1: To lighten it up a little bit, Taylor, you reference

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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, you are listening to Pod of Rebellion. This

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Speaker 3: is Tsrcar, the voice of Sabine Run Specter five, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not alone today with us, we have.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, it's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula,

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Speaker 4: Spector two.

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Speaker 5: And guess what, guess who's here?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Guys? Taylor, you guys, it's your Pleasure Spector six.

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Speaker 2: And we also have.

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Speaker 6: Hey, everybody, it's your friendly neighborhood moderator John Lee Brody.

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Speaker 6: And today we're going over season two, episode seventeen, the

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Speaker 7: Back Ice Moon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, already broke back Wait what did you say iceman?

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Speaker 6: Because thrown ice Moon iceman or look or just broke

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Everybody feels like a Friday.

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Speaker 7: It's not no, no, but it does. Okay.

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Speaker 6: So here comes the recap for Season two, episode seventeen,

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Speaker 6: brought to you by the Scum and Villainy canteena the

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Speaker 6: original air date February twenty fourth, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 7: Here we go.

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Speaker 6: The Ghost Crew investigates an abandoned weapons platform above Geonosis,

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Speaker 6: where naturally they're ambushed by Imperial forces led by none

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Speaker 6: battles with the Imperial droid. It's a typical day for

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Speaker 6: his escape pod. Their skullfel continues until their pod crash

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Speaker 7: So where should we start.

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Speaker 4: And like the stakes start changing and then well you know,

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Speaker 4: Wanted to utilize this episode as a way for callous

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Speaker 4: J C. He'll he'll break it all down for us.

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Speaker 3: He spends time involuntarily with his enemy, and his enemy

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Speaker 3: really touched by that, right, Taylor.

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00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 2: Same same disease. Oh boy, they had Zeb's ears wiggling

436
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: in the wind. Really, I thought, I match yours with

437
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: some depth.

438
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, talk about his student observations. Yeah cool, yeah,

439
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: thank you, thanks for that.

440
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 6: That's very deep. But yeah, I want to go because

441
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 6: you brought it up to you. The bustan Kira. I

442
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 6: thought that was such a cool layer to the whole

443
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 6: thing of one the whole this is Callus's gravitas going away.

444
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 6: He's like, yeah, I said that just for show, but

445
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 6: the truth is, this is what happened. But we're also

446
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 6: seeing how rooted Star Wars is in Japanese tradition. As

447
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 6: you know, that's very much bushido, the way of the

448
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 6: warrior in Japanese Samurai ways, which is when you are

449
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 6: outmatched by somebody, you are going to respectfully say yes,

450
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 6: you won, even though it may be painful to do so,

451
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 6: and like in modern times and other relatable times, that's

452
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 6: called sportsmanship. You know, even if you're out matching the game,

453
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 6: you're still should shake hands and acknowledge yeah, you bet

454
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 6: you got me as much as it hurts.

455
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 7: Even when Ohio State kills your team.

456
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 6: You're alma mater and I don't want to acknowledge you guys,

457
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 6: but you guys are very good and I have to

458
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 6: acknowledge it. That is husan kira, but I hope anyway, anyway,

459
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 6: so what do you all think about that?

460
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: What are the words that people say when the rank

461
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: thirteenth in the nation?

462
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

463
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 7: That's a fourth letter word. It's on the crossroads six

464
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 7: letter word.

465
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

466
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: Anyway, back stars, is there a Is there another episode

467
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: with the just the two of them? Or is this

468
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: the one?

469
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: Isn't there further bro, like the bromance continues?

470
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 8: Oh?

471
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: I think yeah, but like an exclusive owner now.

472
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 3: I think this is like, oh, JC will know?

473
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 5: Do y'all know?

474
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 6: Off the top of my head? I can't recall another

475
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 6: like one isolated bottle episode of between the two, but.

476
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: Because I feel like it isn't necessarily based just on

477
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: this episode.

478
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: Well that's what I was trying to figure out exactly.

479
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: That is the whole like their whole thing. I mean,

480
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: it would make sense, but also I thought there might

481
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: have been another one, but I'm not sure.

482
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 4: I feel like it continues as he starts to give

483
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 4: us intel and aligning himself. It sort of naturally kind

484
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 4: of seeps like the the B or C plot in

485
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 4: various episodes down the line. But I don't I don't

486
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 4: know that they ever have their like hug it out thing,

487
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: you know, But I don't know that this was underappreciated.

488
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: I remember everyone would always say like, oh, I ship

489
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: Harah and Kanaan, and then suddenly that was eclipsed, Oh yeah,

490
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 4: by the callous zeb What did they call it, zealous

491
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 4: Dallas something like that.

492
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 6: I think that not so JC came up with Zebulus

493
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 6: during one of our Q and a's, but what the

494
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 6: fan name was something else? Kelup is what? But then

495
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 6: JAC came up with, Uhbulus is catching we should trade

496
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 6: mark that that's.

497
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: Really sounds like the ninth planet. Sorry, the tenth planet.

498
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: Let's say.

499
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 5: Well, at any rate, I think I think this really.

500
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 4: This started to eclipse the.

501
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 5: I.

502
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: I was born of a certain time, and I will

503
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: always consider Pluto to be ninth planet. Justice for Pluto anyway,

504
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: nebulous planet. Yeah, sorry, Vanessa, you were saying, go on please, No, No,

505
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: I just let.

506
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: Her keep digging.

507
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 7: Yeah.

508
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 4: I think this romance took over the whole shipping of

509
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: Canaan and Harah.

510
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 5: So I do think people very much appreciated this.

511
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: No, No, You're right. I was not suggesting it was underappreciated.

512
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: I was just upon rewatching, I'm like, man, this episode

513
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: is so good. They're writing, the acting, the animation and music,

514
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: it's the plot itself, the references to other pieces of

515
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: well film and literature. I just I love this episode

516
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: so much. John, Sorry, what were you saying?

517
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 5: No?

518
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 6: No, no, It was like I never like thought of

519
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 6: it like that. And then when you said that, I'm like, oh,

520
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 6: that's like the double date that we all should have

521
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 6: been the witness Callison's that up with like hair Ricanan

522
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 6: at like Earth Cafe or something. I don't know.

523
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 2: Back to this on, are there ever dates in Star

524
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: Wars JC exactly let's get a rebellion.

525
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: I mean, who has the time to go on a

526
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: little dainty date a little.

527
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 6: So now, look, hey, you guys should do this prequel series.

528
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 6: You know you got to have like dating arc. I'm

529
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 6: just saying the same. We're breaking story and a lot

530
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 6: of good stuff here.

531
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: If Halland has enough time to sit with Grito at

532
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: a scene at a bar, like someone can go on

533
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: a date. I where's there a date in Star Wars?

534
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: I think that the romance is But what happened to chivalry?

535
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: Oh talk to your boy, Ezra?

536
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 7: Yes, and to quote you Taylor, clip.

537
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 6: It, clip it, one last thing before we bring on

538
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 6: JC and going back bringing it back to us talking

539
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 6: about real world stuff. But also not the moment where

540
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 6: you know, Zep's talking to Calws at the beginning of

541
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 6: them being stuck in this cave and calls still being

542
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 6: very stuck on what I believe is the right thing,

543
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 6: because I have to believe this is right. He's like,

544
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 6: you would get a fair trial, and you're just kind

545
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 6: of okay, like, and that just goes back to the

546
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 6: whole thing. When you're on the side of privilege, you

547
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 6: don't understand how the oppressed are going to feel and they.

548
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 7: Don't beat you over the head with it.

549
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 6: But if you know, you know, we all are very

550
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 6: hyper aware of that stuff, and that just hit you know.

551
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 6: I acknowledged it when I first saw it, you know,

552
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 6: almost ten years ago, but watch to now and becoming

553
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 6: hopefully a more mature, well adjusted adult in my early forties,

554
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 6: I was like, oh wow, like the way Star Wars

555
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 6: is very timeless and timely no matter what time you're watching,

556
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 6: it is really a fascinating thing, truly, And but just

557
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 6: that line, I was like, oh wow, like you would

558
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 6: get a fair trial, and he believes it, and Zeb's like, Hi,

559
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 6: are you kidding me? I was like, dude, look at me,

560
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 6: Look at you. You might get a fair trial. But no,

561
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 6: they they one.

562
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 7: Look at me.

563
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 6: I'm hell without bail. There's no pale bonds and there's

564
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 6: no nothing for me. Like it's it's I'm being put

565
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 6: away for a long time.

566
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so it's hard to listen to because it

567
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: is so applicable to now real life, you know, and

568
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: for all of time, for all of humankind, I guess.

569
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: But like, it's amazing that you watch four point fifty

570
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: fifty year old movies fifty eight year old movies. A

571
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: fifty eight year old movie, we're talking about one in particular,

572
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: and and go like, oh wow, these themes are very

573
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: very prescient, right, and then we're talking about I know

574
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: it's only ten years ago, but still like we're watching

575
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: these things and this is like not just this episode.

576
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: Episode after episode, We're like, man, that thing that so

577
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: and so said is so so eerily applicable to what's

578
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: happening right now in the world or this country or

579
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: wherever our society. So it's it's it's just a testament

580
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: to Star Wars and the writing, how how it can

581
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: move through time and or it's a testament to how

582
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: we refused to as a society progress. But you know what,

583
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: that's this conversation for another podcast after.

584
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 6: Dark after Dark, Yeah, what that reminds me of this.

585
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 6: It's like the writers of this show and just you know,

586
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 6: the Star Wars Lord. It's this hyper awareness of this

587
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 6: quote from Mark Twain. It's like history doesn't repeat this out,

588
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 6: but it sure does rhyme. And it's like I feel

589
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 6: like that's almost like the core thesis. I mean throughout

590
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 6: not just Star Wars, but these there's certain stories throughout time.

591
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 6: Star Wars is obviously one of the most if not

592
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 6: the most prominent one, but the ones that are these

593
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 6: stories that the gifts that keep on giving, like Jordan

594
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 6: Peelel movies to me are the gifts that keep on giving.

595
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 6: He was saying so very timing at the time, but

596
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 6: then you watch it ten years after the fact, you're like, oh, wow,

597
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 6: get Out is still sadly, very very relevant of what

598
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 6: he's talking about. I think it's just whether they consciously

599
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 6: are thinking of that quote or not. Either way, there's

600
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 6: some sort of understanding of this is the cycle, the

601
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 6: cyclical nature of.

602
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 7: Existence, and.

603
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: Just the beatles.

604
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then it's the powerful powerfulness of storytelling, music

605
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 6: whatever that can help and artists express that their feelings

606
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 6: on that.

607
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: Wow, how John just really steamrolld right over that. Thank

608
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: you John for not taking the bait. Maybe you didn't

609
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: hear him exactly, y'all. I was just you guys are

610
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: all so well read. I thought I would ask you

611
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: if you read this. It's not a book. It's a

612
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: short story that I read as a child and it

613
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: has stayed with me ever since. It was so deeply

614
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: impactful to me. Yes, I believe his name house. I

615
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: think it's it's called it's a short story called The

616
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: Interlopers or Interlopers.

617
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: I think I have read.

618
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: That Bysaki s a k I. It reminds I haven't

619
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: read it in a long time. So if I reread

620
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: it and I go, oh, maybe not, but in my

621
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: mind it is very very similar, a similar story to

622
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: the Defiant Ones this episode, and it was written in

623
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: nineteen nineteen. I just looked it up. But anyway, if

624
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 3: anyone out there has read The Interlopers, please comment in

625
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: the DM the in the DMS in the comments and

626
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: let me know. And also, I'm going to reread this

627
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: after this episode. Make sure that I didn't just tell you.

628
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: It's a great story regardless. But in my mind, I'm like, oh,

629
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: that's that's another story that's very similar and it's super

630
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: eerie and super great.

631
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 7: I'm going to read that.

632
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 6: I haven't read that, And thank you for the suggestion

633
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 6: of you guys, please thank.

634
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: You, no problem.

635
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 7: I love that. I love that. Look into our pod

636
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 7: Rebellion book Club.

637
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: Is that's so easy.

638
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: It's a it's a short read, but it's.

639
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 6: It's really cool, even better, my ADHD thanks you very

640
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 6: much for that.

641
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 7: Sold. All right, so uh, if anything else, should we

642
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 7: should we bring on the man? Should we bring that?

643
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 4: Yeah?

644
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: All right, all right again, I don't have a lot today,

645
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: but I thought I dig into some light topics, like

646
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: the sterilization of Genenosis, which is this is I think

647
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: the first time they reference it that the planet. There's

648
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: no life on the planet of Geonosis anymore. So to

649
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: give a little background in context, Grandma of Targan after

650
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: the Battle of Geonosis that happens in Star Wars episode two,

651
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: there were leaks about the Death Star being built, so

652
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: he moved it and to suppress any more information about

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Speaker 1: the secret project the Death Star from getting out, they

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Speaker 1: dropped gas canisters full of insecticide to the planet and

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Speaker 1: wiped out one hundred billion Geonosians. There's only one that survived,

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Speaker 1: which we revisit, I believe in later episodes of Rebels.

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Speaker 1: This is the first reference and it points to or

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Speaker 1: is a build off of. In the nineteen ninety West

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Speaker 1: End Games Rebellion source book, they wrote a declaration of

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Speaker 1: rebellion which was written as if Man Mafma wrote it,

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Speaker 1: which was then made canon in a twenty sixteen book

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Speaker 1: about Star Wars propaganda references. In her declaration of rebellion,

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Speaker 1: she says, you have instituted a policy of blatant speciesism

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Speaker 1: and genocide against the non human peoples of the galaxy,

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Speaker 1: and that is referencing the wipe, the sterilization of genosis.

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Speaker 7: So all of that is.

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Speaker 1: In that, like one line of dialogue, is where that

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Speaker 1: expands out to from this episode.

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Speaker 7: To lighten it up.

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Speaker 1: A little bit, Taylor, you reference the abominable snowman in

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Speaker 1: Empire Strikes Back. That is called a wampa is the name.

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Speaker 2: Of it, And that's not what's on that's a YETI

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Speaker 2: I believe I thought that was a cooler.

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Speaker 7: You guys are.

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Speaker 1: Talking about callous kind of where is he at the

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Speaker 1: start of the episode versus the end. The thing that

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Speaker 1: I noticed is when he walks into his quarters on

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Speaker 1: the ship, he has one personal artifact, which is the

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Speaker 1: glowy rock that he brought from the moon with zeb

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Speaker 1: That's the only personal item he has in that room,

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Speaker 1: which I thought was pretty cool, like nonverbal saying a

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Speaker 1: lot without you know, expositional dialogue or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: You guys talked about when they wake up together and

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Speaker 1: punch each other, I would be a poor Chicago in

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Speaker 1: if I didn't say it reminded me of planes, trains,

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Speaker 1: and automobiles, where Steve Martin and John Candy wake up

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Speaker 1: together in bed and a discussion of two pillows happens

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Speaker 1: that we won't get into. Vanessa, you were right about

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Speaker 1: Callison zeb This is the only like date episode that

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Speaker 1: they have, but it kind of seeps into the bigger

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Speaker 1: story throughout the remaining episodes of Rebels, Taylor, you wanted

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Speaker 1: to know if people go on dates and star wars.

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Speaker 1: At the top of my head, I could think of

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Speaker 1: two that we know about. Anakin and Pat may have

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Speaker 1: that date where he feeds her fruit with the Force,

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Speaker 1: and then Han and Leia go on their honeymoon to

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Speaker 1: the Halcyon Galactic Star Cruiser, which no longer exists.

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Speaker 2: Wait, when is that.

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Speaker 1: That happens post Return of the Jedi. It happens in

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Speaker 1: a comic book.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was sorry, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't get

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Speaker 2: to see that.

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Speaker 1: And then there's an entire like kind of I don't

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Speaker 1: want to call it a romance novel, but kind of

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Speaker 1: romance novel called Lost Stars by author Claude A. Gray

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Speaker 1: that you guys can dig into if you're more interested

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Speaker 1: in that. And then my last thing, you guys talked

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Speaker 1: about Mark Twain and how it rhymes and doesn't repeat

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Speaker 1: and all of that. It reminded me of another Space

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Speaker 1: series that I love that continues to be relevant, which

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Speaker 1: was Battlestar Galactica. And they keep the refrain and that

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Speaker 1: is all of this has happened before all this will

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Speaker 1: happen again.

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Speaker 3: I like that there, it is mic draw, all of

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Speaker 3: this has happened before all of this will happen again.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to write that down.

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Speaker 7: Some deep stuff.

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Speaker 6: Jac I feel like we could do a whole I'd

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Speaker 6: love to hear you on a deep dip a Battlestar.

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Speaker 6: I'm not as well versed nearly as you are in

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Speaker 6: that world. I watched them more casually, but I would

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Speaker 6: just love even if it's not a show. It's like

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Speaker 6: on a sidebar, because you know me and my curious brain.

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Speaker 6: I feel like that quote there and I'm like, oh wow,

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Speaker 6: I still for a lot of Battlestar.

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Speaker 7: It would appear.

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Speaker 1: I man, I broke my ankle and my friend was like,

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Speaker 1: watch Battlestar Galactica. So I just sat there and I watched,

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Speaker 1: like all of it straight through.

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Speaker 3: It's it's hard.

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Speaker 1: Though it's similar, It's not similar, but it is similar

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Speaker 1: to like Binging Breaking Bad, where after length all right,

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Speaker 1: after like ten episodes of Breaking Bad, you're just like

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Speaker 1: there's no hope for humanity. And Battle Star is similar

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Speaker 1: where you're just like, oh my gosh, like this is

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Speaker 1: this is hard to watch. I got to step away

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Speaker 1: and like see some sunflowers or something happy.

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Speaker 3: So funny.

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Speaker 5: I had the opposite reaction to Breaking Bad.

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Speaker 4: I felt like this man loved his family so much

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Speaker 4: that he would become a drug dealer because he thought

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Speaker 4: he was dying, and that that there is something to

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Speaker 4: believe in that when when people care about each other,

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Speaker 4: they go to any lengths, even betraying the very family

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Speaker 4: that they loved.

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Speaker 3: Finish the series, Yes.

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Speaker 6: Season three true what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: After ten episodes, I was sure.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 4: I was hooked because of his dedication to that task.

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Speaker 4: Obviously it had a bleak ending that was just heart just.

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Speaker 6: The genius of Vince Gilligan and the way he writes

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Speaker 6: characters And speaking of is anybody watching, I'm obsessed?

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Speaker 7: I'm all in, are you?

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Speaker 2: I need that to then be curious because I just the.

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Speaker 7: Way Vince writes characters, you know.

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Speaker 6: So I'm so drawn to the way he writes and

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Speaker 6: like he almost the reverse of what he did with

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Speaker 6: Walter White. Walter White was so likable at first and

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Speaker 6: then he turned where it's like he did like the

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Speaker 6: antithesis of that.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 6: I'm fascinated with that process. So I could see how

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Speaker 6: it's very hit or missed with people. But for me,

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Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, the fact that he went this way

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Speaker 6: as a writer creator, there's gotta be a rhyman reason. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: with Vince Gilligan.

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Speaker 2: That process, it just feels there's so much Breaking Bad.

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Speaker 2: You do you understood the world? They didn't have to

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Speaker 2: set it up too much, right this the world is

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Speaker 2: requiring so much set up that I'm like, I feel

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Speaker 2: like his characters in this are not nearly as strong

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Speaker 2: as Breaking Bad, you know what I mean, because they

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Speaker 2: have to spend time building out this.

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Speaker 7: They should have just released as a binge watch things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it should have just been like a limited series

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Speaker 6: so you can absorb it all. I don't think shows

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Speaker 6: like that should be watched weekly, like Breaking Bad was

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Speaker 6: structured for like Cable brought Hyata and cable and had

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Speaker 6: those natural breaks where you could absorb it and then

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Speaker 6: come back. But I feel like a pluripist is like,

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Speaker 6: maybe just give it to a us that once you

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Speaker 6: can see the entire story, I will.

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Speaker 3: I will try again. I just had to stop because

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Speaker 3: I was it was I felt so deeply uncomfortable, which

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Speaker 3: is not about a reason to stop watching something like

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Speaker 3: their movies and TV shows that make you uncomfortable, and

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Speaker 3: that's a good thing. But yeah, I like love, Love,

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Speaker 3: breaking bad Love. Better call Saul, she and better Call Saul.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to give anything. I won't say too much.

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Speaker 3: Have you guys all watched it? The last moment of

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Speaker 3: the show. Oh, that has stayed with me for the

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Speaker 3: years and years since it aired, Like I there's I

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Speaker 3: won't say too much for people who are listening. I

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Speaker 3: haven't seen it, but there's the last moment of the show.

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Speaker 3: There are two characters where it's just like, really get

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Speaker 3: it's just a knife to the heart and it's really

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Speaker 3: really moving and impactful. And then I watched this show

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Speaker 3: with such excitement and I'm like, oh, it's hard. It's hard.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give it some more time. I'll come

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Speaker 3: back to it, or.

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Speaker 6: Maybe just wait till all the episodes drop and try

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Speaker 6: to watch it as a whole.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, maybe that's the that's the thing. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 3: so good sour good.

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Speaker 1: Talking nice streak on our Breaking bad podcast.

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Speaker 7: You know what I would be that into that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll I won't tell a story on here when

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Speaker 6: we stop recording all tell us anyways, thanks as always,

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