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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori Wither
Speaker 2: Steve Coleburn back with US chemist materials scientists with at
Speaker 2: least twenty years experience at chemistry and nanotechnology. He's working
Speaker 2: in the area of carbon nanotubes with his company neutron
Speaker 2: Star Nanotechnology. He has analyzed several alleged alien implants in
Speaker 2: recent years. Steve's research discovered that these objects contain carbon
Speaker 2: nanotubes and other nanostructures, indicating that they are sophisticated nano
Speaker 2: devices made by a level of nanotechnology far beyond the
Speaker 2: current mainstream earthly science. Steve, welcome back.
Speaker 3: How've you ben, I've been great, George. It's read to
Speaker 3: be back on here.
Speaker 2: Good to have you with us. How did you get
Speaker 2: so interested in Mars? We're going to talk a lot
Speaker 2: about that planet.
Speaker 3: I've always been fascinated by any to do with astronomy,
Speaker 3: and especially Mars, since it's the most earth like planet
Speaker 3: in the Solar System besides the Earth itself, and I've
Speaker 3: just always had an affinity for it.
Speaker 2: And You've been doing some checking into Mars and tell
Speaker 2: me how you came up with some of these theories.
Speaker 3: Well, I've just been following all the the rover and
Speaker 3: Mars spacecraft data and just come to my own conclusions,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people I think agree with me
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. You know, the alternate acronym for NASA
Speaker 3: never a straight answer, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how true that is? Sometimes?
Speaker 3: Huh yeah. I mean, like, for example, the Spirit and
Speaker 3: Opportunity rovers touchdown an area that was obviously muddy, and
Speaker 3: they said that can be mud because there's no liquid
Speaker 3: water on Mars. As well, they left out a bunch
Speaker 3: of stuff. I mean, at the pressure that the atmospheric
Speaker 3: pressure they're talking about on Mars, which is debatable, liquid
Speaker 3: mott water would evaporated pretty fast, but the Viking Landers
Speaker 3: said the humidity there was one hundred percent, So where
Speaker 3: the heck is the water going to go? I mean
Speaker 3: it would it would come back to the liquid as
Speaker 3: fast as evaporated. Also, the water, especially muddy water on Mars,
Speaker 3: is likely to be full of salts and the lower
Speaker 3: of the vapor pressure. So I think it's quite possible
Speaker 3: there's mud in a lot of areas on Mars. From
Speaker 3: the rover images, it looks like there's quite a bit
Speaker 3: of it, for sure.
Speaker 2: He wrote an incredible report on Mars called the Exploration
Speaker 2: of Mars was first of all, Lowell right. And I
Speaker 2: think he was right, don't you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He was a genius. I mean he
Speaker 3: he did a lot of really good work with his
Speaker 3: twenty four inch Clark refracting telescope, and that's still operational
Speaker 3: this day, and as he even reuns time on it,
Speaker 3: and he proved that that there was a probable plant
Speaker 3: life and evidence of past civilization. The canals are real,
Speaker 3: by the way that they talked about. I saw them
Speaker 3: for myself at the close Opposition of Mars in two
Speaker 3: thousand and three. Whatever the I saw through an Aiden's telescope,
Speaker 3: the same size telescope that that Chaparelli for discovered the
Speaker 3: canals with. And whenever the when you're looking through a
Speaker 3: telescope at a bright object like a planet, it's like
Speaker 3: looking through looking through a few inches of water. I
Speaker 3: mean it clouds the image a bit. The atmosphere clouds
Speaker 3: the image a bit, but sometimes the atmosphere clear is
Speaker 3: up briefly. And whenever that would happen, these lines would
Speaker 3: appear on Mars and I'm going to like, whoa, these
Speaker 3: things are real. I mean, they've been trying to convince
Speaker 3: people for years that priscpll Lowell was crazy, but these
Speaker 3: guys were right, and.
Speaker 2: These lines seem to come and go. Steve, what do
Speaker 2: you think that is?
Speaker 3: Well, when the atmosphere clears up, you can see them,
Speaker 3: but they're blurred out. When the atmosphere is its usual turbulent,
Speaker 3: it's usual turbulent state once in a while for a
Speaker 3: second or two. If the conditions are good, and you did.
Speaker 2: Some investigating into Mars atmosphere and the pressure, what's the
Speaker 2: significance of that.
Speaker 3: Well, there's the reason to believe if the atmospheric pressure
Speaker 3: is higher than NASA saying. They're saying that the atmospheric
Speaker 3: pressure is six to nine millar bars, which is less
Speaker 3: than one percent of the pressure on Earth. The ground
Speaker 3: based astronomers through albedo calculations and how much the planet
Speaker 3: light the planet reflects, and thought that the atmosphere density
Speaker 3: on Mars is about ten percent of Earths. I mean,
Speaker 3: nobody's debating that the atmosphere on Mars is less dense
Speaker 3: on Earth, but there's a factor of ten difference between
Speaker 3: what the ground based astronomers thought and what NASA is saying,
Speaker 3: And I kind of think that NASA moved the decimal point.
Speaker 3: It's maybe like sixty to ninety millibars, which is about
Speaker 3: a tenth of Earth's pressure, rather than the sixty nine
Speaker 3: millibars they're saying. There's several lines of evidence on this,
Speaker 3: one of the most compelling of which was that NASA
Speaker 3: Ames Research Center was unable to reproduce the dust devils
Speaker 3: on Mars in a wind tunnel at that pressure. And
Speaker 3: they recently had a helicopter fly on Mars, the Ingenuity
Speaker 3: helicopter that landed along with the Perseverance rower. And I
Speaker 3: think it's highly debatable that a helicopter could fly and
Speaker 3: pressures as low as they're saying.
Speaker 2: Now, what's the significance though, Steve, of having higher pressure
Speaker 2: on the planet.
Speaker 3: Well, if the pressure were a tenth of the Earth,
Speaker 3: there's a possibility that you might be able to go
Speaker 3: outside of just the doxy and ask if you acclimated
Speaker 3: to it. If so, that would make the planet a
Speaker 3: lot more valuable. And if you have to be outside
Speaker 3: of the pressure suit on.
Speaker 2: And the fact that she might be even higher means what.
Speaker 3: Well, It means that that the planet would be quite
Speaker 3: a bit more useful and more valuable if you could
Speaker 3: do outside of just a pressure suit on or just
Speaker 3: an auction mask rather than a pressure suit.
Speaker 2: More capable of supporting life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're more capable supporting life, and they were. I
Speaker 3: think they've already found plant life on Mars. It shows
Speaker 3: that it shows up pretty clearly and the orbital photos
Speaker 3: except there's bushes and trees in areas where there should
Speaker 3: be water. The trenches. There's there's straight trenches all over
Speaker 3: the planet, build by some of the Lowell's canals, and
Speaker 3: there's some dark objects that look like bushes growing among them.
Speaker 3: And at the south pole of Mars, or the south
Speaker 3: pole of Mars, there's what looked like huge trees. The
Speaker 3: picture of thoses in my report.
Speaker 2: We've had some we've had some guests on the program
Speaker 2: in the past, Steve, who are convinced that there are
Speaker 2: fossils all over that planet.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen that too.
Speaker 3: I mean in Goose Crater, we're a spirit, we're overlanded.
Speaker 3: There are all kinds of fossils of sea life, shrimped crinoids,
Speaker 3: sea urchins, and those Martian blueberries are thought to be
Speaker 3: the heads of fossil crinoids. And you see the Martian
Speaker 3: blueberries right, yes, all over the all over the place.
Speaker 3: And you have crater in other places.
Speaker 2: That doesn't look like rocks, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: No, no, And there's fossil sea life all over the
Speaker 3: place where there used to be water. Like you, crater
Speaker 3: was a front of location. In fact, NASA schose that
Speaker 3: location because they thought there might be fossils there. And
Speaker 3: I'm going to start finding only debunked it.
Speaker 2: What are the possibilities of a highly advanced past civilization
Speaker 2: on Mars.
Speaker 3: I think the probability is very high. I mean, both
Speaker 3: Poland and doctor Tom van Plander needs to run the
Speaker 3: us Nable Observatory thought that, for example, the base on
Speaker 3: Mars and Sidoni it was artificial, doctor van Plander and
Speaker 3: calculated that the odds were billions to one, that it
Speaker 3: was not that the billions to one that it had
Speaker 3: to be artificial. And there's pyramids right nearby and those
Speaker 3: look artificial too. There's in the rover photographs theres will
Speaker 3: look like the foundations of buildings. And they recently saw
Speaker 3: what put the door cut into a hillside stuff like that.
Speaker 3: A lot of the rocks and in places, especially a
Speaker 3: photographed by the Opportunity Rover, looked like metallic junk or
Speaker 3: crash debris rather than rocks. I think I sent you
Speaker 3: one example of that that was taken by the Curiosity Rover.
Speaker 2: Truly remarkable. What are the odds that we're going to
Speaker 2: find out one day what exactly happened to all of
Speaker 2: them on that planet?
Speaker 3: Well, I think we'll find out someday when Elon Mussen's
Speaker 3: people there. I think that there's a high probability of
Speaker 3: the US government has already gone there, but they're not
Speaker 3: going to tell us that.
Speaker 2: What do you think happened to that planet or the inhabitants.
Speaker 3: Doctor Van Planner had a good theory that was convincing
Speaker 3: to me. He thought that Mars was once a large
Speaker 3: moon of the original planet for in that orbit, and
Speaker 3: that the planet exploded and that's why half of Mars
Speaker 3: heavily cratered and the other half is not. The half
Speaker 3: is heavily creted was facing the planet when it's when
Speaker 3: it exploded, and the moon's phobos and demos may be
Speaker 3: debris left over from the explosion. They're captured asteroids.
Speaker 2: Apparently, did the inhabitants come here?
Speaker 3: Probably some of them, did, Ben Planner and thought that
Speaker 3: a lot of the structures on Mars were similar to
Speaker 3: what we might build on our own moon someday, and
Speaker 3: maybe a lot of them came to Earth, and some
Speaker 3: may still be there. I know the the Soviet probe
Speaker 3: Phobos too a photograph what looked like an underground city
Speaker 3: for been infra red. So there's also a lot of
Speaker 3: rovers said that probably all the rovers the photograph lights
Speaker 3: on Mars on various occasions.
Speaker 2: Why hold back the data? Why not just tell us?
Speaker 3: Steve Well, I think that's because saying that there's even
Speaker 3: plant like or even maybe microbial life on Mars would
Speaker 3: make the whole UFO alien thing much more likely in
Speaker 3: the public mind. The Viking probes found microbial life. The
Speaker 3: test they use is nearly infallible, and it is infallible
Speaker 3: on Earth. The test was positive. That was the bottom line,
Speaker 3: and they invented a bunch of technical reasons to discount it.
Speaker 3: But the bottom line is the microbial The test for
Speaker 3: microbial life on the Viking lenders was positive on both
Speaker 3: Viking one and Viking two.
Speaker 2: Well we know there's a lot of water on the planet,
Speaker 2: don't we.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the the Mars Odyssey found large depositive ice near
Speaker 3: the equator on Mars, and several large actiports through for
Speaker 3: red mapping. And there's, as I say, indication that there's
Speaker 3: mud and various locations of the planet, and streaks of
Speaker 3: what looked like water going in to freights and in
Speaker 3: the canals or if you want to call them, that
Speaker 3: the large trenches.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's some kind of animal life on
Speaker 2: the planet now?
Speaker 3: I didn't think so before, but there's some indications of
Speaker 3: what like dead insects, and some of the rover photographs
Speaker 3: and recently a photograph of what looks like a rodent
Speaker 3: of some kind surface from one of the rovers. I
Speaker 3: think it was curiosity. So if that's the case, then
Speaker 3: I would think that the percentage of oxygen in the
Speaker 3: atmosphere must be higher too. That's the thing that the
Speaker 3: percentage of oxen in the Martian atmosphere is about point
Speaker 3: one three percent, but even that small amount may require
Speaker 3: the presence of plant life. Plant life is the only
Speaker 3: known source of pre auction. Auction is such a reactive yass,
Speaker 3: so it would quickly react with things and disappear if
Speaker 3: there were no source of it. I think one point
Speaker 3: three percent, or you know, a few percent, maybe up
Speaker 3: to five percent sounds more likely than point one three.
Speaker 3: But there's no way of knowing until we go and
Speaker 3: send people there.
Speaker 2: It is dramatic, It truly is. And again I'm puzzled.
Speaker 2: Everybody's puzzled about why the hesitation to let us all
Speaker 2: know what happens.
Speaker 3: Well, I wish they would, But the only thing I
Speaker 3: can figure is that if they disclosed all this, even
Speaker 3: without the evens of past civilization, that would make the
Speaker 3: whole alien thing more likely in the public mind, and
Speaker 3: that put upon a slippery slope towards disclosing the whole
Speaker 3: alien visitation thing.
Speaker 2: Now you have believed that you are an alien abductee?
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah? They put an implant in my toe in two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight and doctor Lear removed it. I was
Speaker 3: patient fifteen in this program.
Speaker 2: I missed that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I missed him Tea. He as my best friend.
Speaker 3: He died in March of twenty and fourteen of a
Speaker 3: parent heart attack.
Speaker 2: Unexpected too.
Speaker 3: Well. His circulatory system was kind of shot, so it
Speaker 3: wasn't totally unexpected on my end.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 3: I was hoping you'd live a few more years at least.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get into your life as an abductee
Speaker 2: after the break, Steve, But tell us about your work
Speaker 2: in nanotechnology. That's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Well, I was on a project at a company called
Speaker 3: Yetc America and that's a branch of his Hockey corpor
Speaker 3: and Camerao California, to make products from carbon nanotubes. And
Speaker 3: I've got several patents along those lines, one of which
Speaker 3: is a carbon nanotube paper like material that's conductive and
Speaker 3: pretty strong, very strong for its Frits. Wade and I
Speaker 3: worked on carbon nanotubes over there for about seven years
Speaker 3: and made a lot of progress, and it was quite
Speaker 3: a synchronicity when I discovered that there were carbon nanotube
Speaker 3: electronics in these alien implants.
Speaker 2: And explain what nanotubes are, Stephen, Well.
Speaker 3: Carbon nanotubes. There are several electropic forms of graphite. There's
Speaker 3: there's fournes, which are like soccer ball type cages of
Speaker 3: carbon atoms. There's diamond which in which each carbon atom
Speaker 3: is surrounded by four others in a tetrahedral arrangement, and
Speaker 3: then there's graphite, where it's sheets of carbon atoms, where
Speaker 3: each carbon atom is a chicken wire type arrangement with
Speaker 3: the hexagonal pattern with with sigma bonds and pie bonds
Speaker 3: holding the carbon atoms together, and the sheets are held
Speaker 3: together strongly by Casmir effect and vendor Wol's forces. And
Speaker 3: if you took one of those single sheets of graphite
Speaker 3: and rolled it into a tube, that would be a
Speaker 3: carbon nanotube, and the angle at which the tube is
Speaker 3: rolled and the diameter determined the carbonano tubes properties, and
Speaker 3: you can have semiconducting and metallic carbon ano tube. The
Speaker 3: metallic carbon dono tubes are nearly a perfect conductor, and
Speaker 3: the semiconducting carbon nanotubes have enterp properties similar to silicon
Speaker 3: or germania, and you can make transition or diodes out
Speaker 3: of them that are much more robust and can handle
Speaker 3: much higher temperatures and much harder conditions, and are smaller
Speaker 3: than anything you could make with silicon.
Speaker 2: What did doctor Lear say about that the implant in
Speaker 2: your toe? I assume he was able to extract it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, broke into several pieces when he removed it. I
Speaker 3: tried to pull it out. He tried to make a
Speaker 3: slit in the side of my toe and pull it out,
Speaker 3: and it was brittle and broke into several pieces on removal.
Speaker 3: But that turned out to be a good thing because
Speaker 3: he gave us access to the interior and we didn't
Speaker 3: have to cut it like we did some of the others.
Speaker 2: How big was it at its original size?
Speaker 3: I was about four millimeters long and about just shy
Speaker 3: of one millimeter in diameter, and it was right next
Speaker 3: to the bone and the toe. I think that these
Speaker 3: implants tend to be close to the bone so that
Speaker 3: they can use the skeleton as an antenna for the
Speaker 3: radio signals that they sometimes.
Speaker 2: Give off tracking devices.
Speaker 3: I think they're tracking devices, and I think they also
Speaker 3: relay physiological information blood sugar, temperature, body position, things like
Speaker 3: that to the aliens.
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