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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori Wither

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Speaker 2: Steve Coleburn back with US chemist materials scientists with at

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Speaker 2: least twenty years experience at chemistry and nanotechnology. He's working

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Speaker 2: in the area of carbon nanotubes with his company neutron

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Speaker 2: Star Nanotechnology. He has analyzed several alleged alien implants in

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Speaker 2: recent years. Steve's research discovered that these objects contain carbon

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Speaker 2: nanotubes and other nanostructures, indicating that they are sophisticated nano

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Speaker 2: devices made by a level of nanotechnology far beyond the

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Speaker 2: current mainstream earthly science. Steve, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: How've you ben, I've been great, George. It's read to

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Speaker 3: be back on here.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you with us. How did you get

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Speaker 2: so interested in Mars? We're going to talk a lot

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Speaker 2: about that planet.

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Speaker 3: I've always been fascinated by any to do with astronomy,

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Speaker 3: and especially Mars, since it's the most earth like planet

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Speaker 3: in the Solar System besides the Earth itself, and I've

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Speaker 3: just always had an affinity for it.

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Speaker 2: And You've been doing some checking into Mars and tell

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Speaker 2: me how you came up with some of these theories.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've just been following all the the rover and

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Speaker 3: Mars spacecraft data and just come to my own conclusions,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of people I think agree with me

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes. You know, the alternate acronym for NASA

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Speaker 3: never a straight answer, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how true that is? Sometimes?

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah. I mean, like, for example, the Spirit and

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Speaker 3: Opportunity rovers touchdown an area that was obviously muddy, and

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Speaker 3: they said that can be mud because there's no liquid

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Speaker 3: water on Mars. As well, they left out a bunch

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Speaker 3: of stuff. I mean, at the pressure that the atmospheric

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Speaker 3: pressure they're talking about on Mars, which is debatable, liquid

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Speaker 3: mott water would evaporated pretty fast, but the Viking Landers

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Speaker 3: said the humidity there was one hundred percent, So where

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Speaker 3: the heck is the water going to go? I mean

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Speaker 3: it would it would come back to the liquid as

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Speaker 3: fast as evaporated. Also, the water, especially muddy water on Mars,

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Speaker 3: is likely to be full of salts and the lower

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Speaker 3: of the vapor pressure. So I think it's quite possible

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Speaker 3: there's mud in a lot of areas on Mars. From

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Speaker 3: the rover images, it looks like there's quite a bit

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Speaker 3: of it, for sure.

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Speaker 2: He wrote an incredible report on Mars called the Exploration

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Speaker 2: of Mars was first of all, Lowell right. And I

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Speaker 2: think he was right, don't you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He was a genius. I mean he

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Speaker 3: he did a lot of really good work with his

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Speaker 3: twenty four inch Clark refracting telescope, and that's still operational

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Speaker 3: this day, and as he even reuns time on it,

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Speaker 3: and he proved that that there was a probable plant

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Speaker 3: life and evidence of past civilization. The canals are real,

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Speaker 3: by the way that they talked about. I saw them

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Speaker 3: for myself at the close Opposition of Mars in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and three. Whatever the I saw through an Aiden's telescope,

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Speaker 3: the same size telescope that that Chaparelli for discovered the

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Speaker 3: canals with. And whenever the when you're looking through a

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Speaker 3: telescope at a bright object like a planet, it's like

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Speaker 3: looking through looking through a few inches of water. I

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Speaker 3: mean it clouds the image a bit. The atmosphere clouds

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Speaker 3: the image a bit, but sometimes the atmosphere clear is

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Speaker 3: up briefly. And whenever that would happen, these lines would

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Speaker 3: appear on Mars and I'm going to like, whoa, these

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Speaker 3: things are real. I mean, they've been trying to convince

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Speaker 3: people for years that priscpll Lowell was crazy, but these

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Speaker 3: guys were right, and.

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Speaker 2: These lines seem to come and go. Steve, what do

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Speaker 2: you think that is?

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Speaker 3: Well, when the atmosphere clears up, you can see them,

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Speaker 3: but they're blurred out. When the atmosphere is its usual turbulent,

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Speaker 3: it's usual turbulent state once in a while for a

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Speaker 3: second or two. If the conditions are good, and you did.

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Speaker 2: Some investigating into Mars atmosphere and the pressure, what's the

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Speaker 2: significance of that.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's the reason to believe if the atmospheric pressure

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Speaker 3: is higher than NASA saying. They're saying that the atmospheric

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Speaker 3: pressure is six to nine millar bars, which is less

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Speaker 3: than one percent of the pressure on Earth. The ground

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Speaker 3: based astronomers through albedo calculations and how much the planet

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Speaker 3: nobody's debating that the atmosphere on Mars is less dense

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Speaker 3: what the ground based astronomers thought and what NASA is saying,

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Speaker 3: And I kind of think that NASA moved the decimal point.

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Speaker 3: It's maybe like sixty to ninety millibars, which is about

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Speaker 3: millibars they're saying. There's several lines of evidence on this,

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Speaker 3: one of the most compelling of which was that NASA

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Speaker 3: Ames Research Center was unable to reproduce the dust devils

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Speaker 3: on Mars in a wind tunnel at that pressure. And

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Speaker 3: they recently had a helicopter fly on Mars, the Ingenuity

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Speaker 3: helicopter that landed along with the Perseverance rower. And I

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Speaker 3: think it's highly debatable that a helicopter could fly and

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Speaker 3: pressures as low as they're saying.

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Speaker 2: Now, what's the significance though, Steve, of having higher pressure

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Speaker 2: on the planet.

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Speaker 3: Well, if the pressure were a tenth of the Earth,

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Speaker 3: there's a possibility that you might be able to go

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Speaker 3: outside of just the doxy and ask if you acclimated

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Speaker 3: to it. If so, that would make the planet a

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Speaker 3: lot more valuable. And if you have to be outside

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Speaker 3: of the pressure suit on.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that she might be even higher means what.

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Speaker 3: Well, It means that that the planet would be quite

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Speaker 3: a bit more useful and more valuable if you could

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Speaker 3: do outside of just a pressure suit on or just

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Speaker 3: an auction mask rather than a pressure suit.

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Speaker 2: More capable of supporting life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're more capable supporting life, and they were. I

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Speaker 3: think they've already found plant life on Mars. It shows

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Speaker 3: that it shows up pretty clearly and the orbital photos

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Speaker 3: except there's bushes and trees in areas where there should

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Speaker 3: be water. The trenches. There's there's straight trenches all over

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Speaker 3: the planet, build by some of the Lowell's canals, and

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Speaker 3: there's some dark objects that look like bushes growing among them.

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Speaker 3: And at the south pole of Mars, or the south

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Speaker 3: pole of Mars, there's what looked like huge trees. The

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Speaker 3: picture of thoses in my report.

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Speaker 2: We've had some we've had some guests on the program

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Speaker 2: in the past, Steve, who are convinced that there are

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Speaker 2: fossils all over that planet.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen that too.

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Speaker 3: I mean in Goose Crater, we're a spirit, we're overlanded.

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Speaker 3: There are all kinds of fossils of sea life, shrimped crinoids,

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Speaker 3: sea urchins, and those Martian blueberries are thought to be

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Speaker 3: the heads of fossil crinoids. And you see the Martian

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Speaker 3: blueberries right, yes, all over the all over the place.

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Speaker 3: And you have crater in other places.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't look like rocks, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: No, no, And there's fossil sea life all over the

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Speaker 3: place where there used to be water. Like you, crater

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Speaker 3: was a front of location. In fact, NASA schose that

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Speaker 3: I'm going to start finding only debunked it.

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Speaker 2: What are the possibilities of a highly advanced past civilization

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Speaker 2: on Mars.

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Speaker 3: I think the probability is very high. I mean, both

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Speaker 3: Poland and doctor Tom van Plander needs to run the

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Speaker 3: us Nable Observatory thought that, for example, the base on

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Speaker 3: calculated that the odds were billions to one, that it

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Speaker 3: to be artificial. And there's pyramids right nearby and those

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Speaker 3: look artificial too. There's in the rover photographs theres will

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Speaker 3: look like the foundations of buildings. And they recently saw

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Speaker 3: what put the door cut into a hillside stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the rocks and in places, especially a

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Speaker 3: photographed by the Opportunity Rover, looked like metallic junk or

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Speaker 3: crash debris rather than rocks. I think I sent you

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Speaker 3: one example of that that was taken by the Curiosity Rover.

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Speaker 2: Truly remarkable. What are the odds that we're going to

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Speaker 2: find out one day what exactly happened to all of

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Speaker 2: them on that planet?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we'll find out someday when Elon Mussen's

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Speaker 3: people there. I think that there's a high probability of

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Speaker 3: the US government has already gone there, but they're not

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Speaker 3: going to tell us that.

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Speaker 2: What do you think happened to that planet or the inhabitants.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Van Planner had a good theory that was convincing

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Speaker 3: to me. He thought that Mars was once a large

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Speaker 3: that the planet exploded and that's why half of Mars

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Speaker 3: heavily cratered and the other half is not. The half

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Speaker 3: it exploded, and the moon's phobos and demos may be

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Speaker 3: debris left over from the explosion. They're captured asteroids.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, did the inhabitants come here?

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Speaker 3: Probably some of them, did, Ben Planner and thought that

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Speaker 3: what we might build on our own moon someday, and

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Speaker 3: maybe a lot of them came to Earth, and some

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Speaker 3: may still be there. I know the the Soviet probe

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Speaker 3: Phobos too a photograph what looked like an underground city

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Speaker 3: rovers said that probably all the rovers the photograph lights

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Speaker 3: on Mars on various occasions.

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Speaker 2: Why hold back the data? Why not just tell us?

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Speaker 3: Steve Well, I think that's because saying that there's even

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Speaker 3: plant like or even maybe microbial life on Mars would

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Speaker 3: make the whole UFO alien thing much more likely in

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Speaker 3: the public mind. The Viking probes found microbial life. The

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Speaker 3: on Earth. The test was positive. That was the bottom line,

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Speaker 3: But the bottom line is the microbial The test for

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Speaker 3: microbial life on the Viking lenders was positive on both

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Speaker 2: Well we know there's a lot of water on the planet,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the the Mars Odyssey found large depositive ice near

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Speaker 3: red mapping. And there's, as I say, indication that there's

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's some kind of animal life on

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Speaker 3: I didn't think so before, but there's some indications of

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Speaker 3: what like dead insects, and some of the rover photographs

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Speaker 3: of some kind surface from one of the rovers. I

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Speaker 3: think it was curiosity. So if that's the case, then

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Speaker 3: I would think that the percentage of oxygen in the

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Speaker 3: atmosphere must be higher too. That's the thing that the

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Speaker 3: percentage of oxen in the Martian atmosphere is about point

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Speaker 3: one three percent, but even that small amount may require

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Speaker 3: the presence of plant life. Plant life is the only

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Speaker 3: known source of pre auction. Auction is such a reactive yass,

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Speaker 3: so it would quickly react with things and disappear if

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Speaker 3: there were no source of it. I think one point

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Speaker 3: three percent, or you know, a few percent, maybe up

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Speaker 3: to five percent sounds more likely than point one three.

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Speaker 3: But there's no way of knowing until we go and

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Speaker 3: send people there.

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Speaker 2: It is dramatic, It truly is. And again I'm puzzled.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's puzzled about why the hesitation to let us all

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Speaker 2: know what happens.

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Speaker 3: Well, I wish they would, But the only thing I

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Speaker 3: without the evens of past civilization, that would make the

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Speaker 3: whole alien thing more likely in the public mind, and

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Speaker 3: that put upon a slippery slope towards disclosing the whole

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Speaker 3: alien visitation thing.

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Speaker 2: Now you have believed that you are an alien abductee?

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? They put an implant in my toe in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and eight and doctor Lear removed it. I was

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Speaker 3: patient fifteen in this program.

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Speaker 2: I missed that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I missed him Tea. He as my best friend.

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Speaker 3: He died in March of twenty and fourteen of a

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Speaker 3: parent heart attack.

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Speaker 2: Unexpected too.

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Speaker 3: Well. His circulatory system was kind of shot, so it

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Speaker 3: wasn't totally unexpected on my end.

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Speaker 2: But.

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Speaker 3: I was hoping you'd live a few more years at least.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get into your life as an abductee

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Speaker 2: after the break, Steve, But tell us about your work

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Speaker 2: in nanotechnology. That's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was on a project at a company called

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Speaker 3: Yetc America and that's a branch of his Hockey corpor

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Speaker 3: is a carbon nanotube paper like material that's conductive and

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Speaker 3: a synchronicity when I discovered that there were carbon nanotube

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Speaker 2: And explain what nanotubes are, Stephen, Well.

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Speaker 3: Carbon nanotubes. There are several electropic forms of graphite. There's

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Speaker 3: you can have semiconducting and metallic carbon ano tube. The

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Speaker 3: the semiconducting carbon nanotubes have enterp properties similar to silicon

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Speaker 3: much higher temperatures and much harder conditions, and are smaller

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Speaker 2: What did doctor Lear say about that the implant in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, broke into several pieces when he removed it. I

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Speaker 3: tried to pull it out. He tried to make a

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Speaker 3: and it was brittle and broke into several pieces on removal.

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Speaker 3: But that turned out to be a good thing because

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Speaker 3: he gave us access to the interior and we didn't

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Speaker 2: How big was it at its original size?

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Speaker 3: I was about four millimeters long and about just shy

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Speaker 3: of one millimeter in diameter, and it was right next

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Speaker 2: Give off tracking devices.

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Speaker 3: I think they're tracking devices, and I think they also

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Speaker 3: relay physiological information blood sugar, temperature, body position, things like

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Speaker 3: that to the aliens.

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