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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It just wins. The January twelfth, two Thy twenty two

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Speaker 1: Seatson seventeen, Episode number ninety six. Welcome to the latest

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Speaker 1: edition of The Break. We are live from the s

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Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage studios. At the start, we just finished up

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Speaker 1: the daily press conference with Mike McCarthy. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: that in just a second. There's one thing I thought

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Speaker 1: that came out of that was pretty interesting. Gonna have

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Speaker 1: Dave kind of give us a recap on that. Nick

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Speaker 1: Dills gets started with ninety six Game ninety six, o' quick,

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Speaker 1: Daniels stubs Daniel Stubbs. Don't know who he is? You

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Speaker 1: want to tell me who he is? He played in

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Speaker 1: the nineties early nineties, was a Miami guy, moved over.

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Speaker 1: But more than anything that Coppell Delhi that all the

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Speaker 1: players would go to miss that place. The Stubs was

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Speaker 1: because the Stubbs breakfast sandwiches that they still have is

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Speaker 1: because of Daniel Stubbs. He's one of the best things

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Speaker 1: I've ever eaten in my life. So so I can

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Speaker 1: heart attack waiting to happen. Yeah, they still have that,

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Speaker 1: and Nate Newton it's probably you know eight a few

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Speaker 1: still go over there every once in a while. I

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Speaker 1: don't really I used to live over there, but now

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Speaker 1: I don't. But yeah, they still bring them in sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Day three of the draft, Dave, No, it's not my thing.

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Speaker 1: It's Rich Dalrymple's thing. He's the head of Cowboys PR.

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Speaker 1: He's been here forever. I was actually watching Jimmy's speech

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Speaker 1: after the ninety two how about Them Cowboys speech after

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Speaker 1: they beat the Niners, and like Riches in the background

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Speaker 1: looking much younger. Um. But day three of the draft

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Speaker 1: he goes and gets Stubb sandwiches for like everybody in

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Speaker 1: football ops and pretty awesome. Yea, he and you know

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Speaker 1: at some point we might get included. Well, he always

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Speaker 1: used like and like Rich can be kind of surly.

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Speaker 1: I think he would agree with that. I'm not Fittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: not talking trash, but even you know, Brian left personnel

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Speaker 1: years and years ago, and Rich would still always buy

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Speaker 1: him one. Like, so we'd be doing the draft on

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Speaker 1: Saturday and Brian would have a Stubbs that Rich picked

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Speaker 1: up for him, And I just thought, I always thought

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Speaker 1: that was really cool gesture. But it's man, it's good.

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Speaker 1: If you're ever in town, you should go get and

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Speaker 1: do miss those all right, let's jump in. Let's first

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Speaker 1: give me an update on all the guys that missed

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Speaker 1: this last week's game. You got Michael Parsons, Tyron Smith,

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Speaker 1: Where are we with all those guys in returning to practice?

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Speaker 1: Everybody but jay Ron Curse is up and ready to go.

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Speaker 1: but he's been back. Yeah. I mean, jay Ron was

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Speaker 1: the tight ends coach is testing right now. Um, but

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Speaker 1: you at all concerned about jay Ron just because he

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Speaker 1: which means that he hasn't been rehabbing with them. Are

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Speaker 1: It was limited too, It was limited with hamstring, which

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Speaker 1: there was one of those. Now we're putting all our

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Speaker 1: matter if you're hurt, it doesn't matter if you got COVID.

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Speaker 1: what's my two points? What's the two point conversion rate

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Speaker 1: to answer your original question, they probably believe what they're saying.

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Speaker 1: Four days before the playoff, and I'm not soupercerned about

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Speaker 1: stay the course. Well. I was trying to find the

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Speaker 1: quote from Fossil I can't ever say his name, Fossil, Fossil,

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Speaker 1: basically saying, yeah, they have full confidence in him, but

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Speaker 1: in their game offensively and defensively took them out the

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Speaker 1: mix and they were able to kind of control the

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Speaker 1: game and play the game on their turn because at

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Speaker 1: the time Arizona was successfully running the football, they were

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Speaker 1: dialing up pressures like crazy, and they just disrupted the

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Speaker 1: running game by blitzening it. And so that is always

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Speaker 1: a way to do it, but you just got to

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Speaker 1: make sure when you blitz like the Cardinals, we're bringing

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Speaker 1: pressure that everyone has to make sure they hit the

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Speaker 1: right gap because when you run a gap scheam like

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers run because they've gone away a

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Speaker 1: little bit from the zone scheam, what they do is

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Speaker 1: they're trying to get one defend the out of the gap.

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Speaker 1: They kick them out and it ends up being a

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Speaker 1: big play up to guy. So it's one of those

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Speaker 1: things where you gotta bring pressure. You can't just sit

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Speaker 1: back and play like toy soldiers. You gotta bring it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to make them out to be

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Speaker 1: a team that can't be defeated. They actually had like

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Speaker 1: seven or so losses on their record, But you just

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Speaker 1: gotta be ready for you gotta get them in the mouth,

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Speaker 1: and you gotta make the game be one that Jimmyga

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Speaker 1: Rocko has to win the game. They can't be a

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Speaker 1: game where they're comfortable and able to run the football

449
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Speaker 1: the way they want to running. Have you seen Dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn do do that with this defense call that kind

451
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Speaker 1: of game. They haven't really had to do that, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: like the eager we're running team, But like the first

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Speaker 1: game they played them, they weren't quite in that mode.

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Speaker 1: And then the second game, like it was a JV team,

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Speaker 1: so we really haven't seen that. But their running game

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Speaker 1: would be comparable to the way the Eagles successfully started

457
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Speaker 1: running the ball at the end of the year. But

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Speaker 1: the quarterback running some read running. They're doing some creative

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Speaker 1: things now. They haven't had a dial up depression. Initially,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect them to dollar presson. I think they're

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Speaker 1: trying to play play it in their base, trying to

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Speaker 1: stay conservative and play the way they played all year.

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Speaker 1: But then they have to dialed up, and they have

464
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Speaker 1: to dialed up. The main thing is they got to

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Speaker 1: win first half. They got to get them behind the

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Speaker 1: chain so they can dictate the terms. They have to

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Speaker 1: be a Jimmy Garoppolo game. It can't be an Elijah

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Speaker 1: Mitchield and Deebo Samuel game where they're running the ball

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Speaker 1: and having it on their terms. Bucky I, Deebo Samuel,

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Speaker 1: and George Kittle get a lot of attention, and rightfully,

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Speaker 1: so you tell me a little bit about Brandon Auk

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Speaker 1: because it seems like he's kind of breaking out a

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Speaker 1: little bit and I feel like he's flying under the radar. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's out of the dog house now he's in the

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Speaker 1: dog house earlt the end of the year, he and

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Speaker 1: Couch and the hand were on different pages in terms

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Speaker 1: build just the way that Brendon and I Yuko is

478
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Speaker 1: playing and performing the effort that he was just playing

479
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Speaker 1: not only his receivers but also in the running game.

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Speaker 1: So he got on board and what the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers have done, and I'm stilled this going back to

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Speaker 1: those drafts years. They basically are playing the wing t

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Speaker 1: type system right where they have a bunch of wide

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Speaker 1: receivers that are like wingbacks that can touch the ball.

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Speaker 1: They can run it, they can catch it, they can

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Speaker 1: run after the cats. They have versatile athletes like Kill

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Speaker 1: and George you Check that are able to do a

488
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Speaker 1: bunch of different things. And their game outside of the run,

489
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Speaker 1: it's all catch and run concepts. They want to get

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Speaker 1: the ball to the hands of the playmakers, and their

491
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Speaker 1: playmakers can scoot. All of those guys have like pump

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Speaker 1: return skills in the background, so they're physical, they break

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Speaker 1: arm tackles, and they're hard to get down them. And

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Speaker 1: so I Yuk is a guy in aargon the state

495
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Speaker 1: who was dominant and disrupt dynamic with the ball in

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Speaker 1: his hands, and he's continue to be that kind of

497
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Speaker 1: playmaking wint when he's gotten chances. Are you expecting now

498
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Speaker 1: Boys to be able to get some takeaways against this

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Speaker 1: type of offense. Yes, if they can win first down

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Speaker 1: and make Jimmy Garoppolo do it, because if they can

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Speaker 1: put the game on Jimmy Garoppolo, he's guaranteed to give

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Speaker 1: you at least two because that's what he does. They

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Speaker 1: are undefeated. When Jimmy Garoppolo does not have a turnover

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Speaker 1: in the game, they're recorded lopside it when he turns

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Speaker 1: it over. The reason they've been able to prevent him

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Speaker 1: from turning it over is because Kyle Shanahan talked about this.

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Speaker 1: When they get to the thirty plus mark and rushing attempts,

508
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Speaker 1: the game is going the way they want because they

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Speaker 1: do not want to expose Jimmy Garoppolo as a passion

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Speaker 1: meaning making them throw traditional drop back passes without using

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Speaker 1: play action, and so you have to stop the run

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Speaker 1: and make them get into a shoette type game where

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Speaker 1: he has to throw without play action and everyone in

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Speaker 1: the build and knows that he's drawing because he's gonna

515
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Speaker 1: miss and he's gonna throw it to the other team.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's done, that's what he's always done, and

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Speaker 1: that's who Jimmy Garoppolo is. All right, we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That's good stuff, Bucky. We'll have you back tomorrow. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the San Francisco defense versus the Dallas offense.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take our final break. Comeback. Ask these guys

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Speaker 1: some questions about this Dallas defense. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: the victory Sunday, January sixteenth against the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: We got a final segment. A few questions for you

575
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Speaker 1: guys about this Dallas defense in this matchup against San Francisco.

576
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Speaker 1: Let's start first with this. When Dallas's run defense has

577
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Speaker 1: struggled this year, what did you think was the biggest problem?

578
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Speaker 1: Because I think there's been some games Denver, maybe the

579
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Speaker 1: second Philadelphia game, depend on how you look at that.

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Speaker 1: I look at that as that first half they were

581
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Speaker 1: having some struggles there against what it wasn't even at

582
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Speaker 1: the starting unit for first it was terrible in that game. Well,

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Speaker 1: of course he wasn't there, and so I guess what

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Speaker 1: I'm asking is and the games where they have struggled

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Speaker 1: New England might have been another. What do you think

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Speaker 1: was was the biggest challenge Denver? They didn't tackle, They

587
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: did not tackle very well. They didn't look like they

588
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: played the game like they were very interested. I don't

589
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: know if that was the case, but they didn't seem

590
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Speaker 1: like it, and they didn't tackle like it. And they

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Speaker 1: let guys that are you know, rookie back who's a

592
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Speaker 1: good player, Javonte Williams. But they let him, you know,

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Speaker 1: turn into Jim Brown. So they didn't tackle well. And

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of plays in that game that

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Speaker 1: I remember specifically. We talked about first down a lot.

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Speaker 1: There was a how many times in that Denver game

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Speaker 1: was it like second and twelve, second and thirteen and

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Speaker 1: they would get like nine ten yards? Totally change it.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to get Teddy Bridgewater to throw it on

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Speaker 1: third and twelve and it wasn't happening. They would get

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Speaker 1: in first downs or a third and short. Same type

602
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Speaker 1: of thing here. I compare this game a lot to

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00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers to the Bronco game. Quarterbacks about

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00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: the same. You don't you don't want to give them

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Speaker 1: a lot of room because they might, you know, but

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Speaker 1: the more that they throw a better it might be

607
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: for you. Just don't put them in favorable situation. Another

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Speaker 1: one probably worth mentioning is the Saints game and they

609
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: pulled away, but Dasom Hill ran all over them. That's

610
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Speaker 1: obviously a little bit different, But I do think the

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Speaker 1: edge factor is part of it. Like they didn't play

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Speaker 1: with an edge against Denver, and I think, like to

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Speaker 1: Bucky's point, and I don't think that'll be a problem

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00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: in a playoff game. But like you gotta come ready

615
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: to sign up to just get bashed and bash back,

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Speaker 1: you know, for sixty God that sounds like such a cliche.

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Speaker 1: For sixty minutes though, like every play, and so I

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Speaker 1: don't worry about that in a playoff game. But also

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Speaker 1: gap integrity, the stuff with the motion is really tricky

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Speaker 1: because I think at time times, uh, some of these

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Speaker 1: guys have this defense has been caught out of position

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Speaker 1: by stuff like that. Again, going back to Taysom Hill,

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Speaker 1: when you can scheme up stuff like that, Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that that has been a problem for them when teams

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Speaker 1: have been able to run the ball. The thing about

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Speaker 1: what the Fortin unders did you know and not? I

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Speaker 1: watched them more than you know that that game. I

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Speaker 1: saw the game, and I hadn't watched him play a

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Speaker 1: lot like I don't know if it's changed over the years,

630
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Speaker 1: but I guarantee Shanahan has figured out exactly how to

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Speaker 1: call those or how to run those plays that they

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Speaker 1: don't get a false start because if you notice they

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Speaker 1: have put their guy in motion, like right before the snap,

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Speaker 1: it almost looks like a false start, like he moves.

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Speaker 1: I didn't notice that a couple of plays, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that's I don't the fullback's name. I don't even

637
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Speaker 1: know how I mean, he's he's not a fullback, you

638
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: can call him that. He's everything he and he dictates

639
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: a lot of things. But he is moving half a

640
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: second before the snap. But it's legal. It's a legal

641
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: play they've got. It's got to be legal. It's just

642
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: like he goes in motion. No one says how long

643
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: you go in motion for he goes. He doesn't go

644
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: in motion for two seconds. It's just motion and then snap. Yeah,

645
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: And it really gives them a running start, and so

646
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: it's a crafty way that they figured it out. This

647
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: is actually going back to a conversation we've been having

648
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: all year, and I want Micah rushing the passer in

649
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: as an element of every game he plays. But I

650
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: think this is probably a game where he's more valuable

651
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: off the ball to them, because again, gap integrity like

652
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: having the not just the instincts, but the speed to

653
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: be where you're supposed to be and then the physicality

654
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: to make the play when you get there. And I

655
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: think probably because he's a conservative converted safety, I think

656
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neill has had times where he didn't have the

657
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: physicality to do that, broken tackles and whatnot. And I

658
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: think Layton vander esh isn't as quick to the ball

659
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: as he as the guy we saw when he was younger.

660
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: He's been. They've both been solid this season, but we

661
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: know what elite off ball linebacker play looks like, and

662
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: that hasn't been it. And Mica has that potential to

663
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, the classic idea of Sean Lee of knowing

664
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: where the ball's going the minute it's snapped, getting there

665
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: and making the play. I think that would be very

666
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: valuable against the type of football San Francisco likes to play. Yeah,

667
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned two things there that jumped out

668
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: of me. First was when you're talking about Taysom Hill.

669
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: One thing to note, they do line de Deebo Samuel's

670
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 1: up in the backfield to get direct snaps sometimes, So

671
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: that could be something that they look at and say, hey,

672
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: Cowboys had some trouble stopping Taysom Hill in those situations

673
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: where he was getting a direct snap and running. Maybe

674
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: that's something that we see this weekend with Deebo Samuels.

675
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: But the other thing you talked about, Michael Parsons and

676
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: I look at that, and in that Arizona game, one

677
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: thing they did with Mica is they kind of had

678
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: him tracking on a lot of plays. They had him

679
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: tracking Carlos Edmonds. I wonder if the Cowboys will look

680
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: at this game and look at him very similar to

681
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: that and say, we're gonna have him track whoever's in

682
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: the backfield, whether that's Elijah Mitchell, if Debo's in the backfield,

683
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: track Deebo. Kind of key him with whoever's in the backfield.

684
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: And because you don't have to worry about a running

685
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: quarterback like you did against Arizona. I was a little

686
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: bit like in those situations against Arizona, I was a

687
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: little bit like, I don't know if I would have

688
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: done that though, when you got a running quarterback, but

689
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: they did it a lot in that game, and he

690
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: did a good job on Carlos Edmonds. It does make

691
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds. I'm sorry. I do think that that is

692
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: a strategy that maybe it's worth looking at four game

693
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: like this. Maybe Deebo Samuel, but I mean, I think, honestly,

694
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: I think that was a bad decision against the Cardinals, right, like, oh,

695
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: you you took out Chase Edmonds with Michael Parsons when

696
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean that he's not the guy that makes it

697
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: go all the time. Oh no, you nullified. He mullified

698
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: our running back. No, No, I mean I think Mica

699
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: Parsons needs to be the one dictating everything. I don't.

700
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't want him following Deebo Samuel all the time.

701
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: I want him getting after Jimmy Garoppolo's ass. That's what

702
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: I want him doing all the time. And so um

703
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: I get the spy part of it too. Jalon Curse

704
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: has got to be a huge in this game for

705
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: the kittle and just the way he plays and number

706
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: fifty five. Like I said this on the radio this morning,

707
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: and I never have said this about any player ever,

708
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: because it does any sport. You don't say this. I

709
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: need rookie year vander esh this week rookie season Layton.

710
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: That sounds weird, but I need that guy. Yeah. The

711
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: hunter he to me is his game the X factor

712
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: in this game, mainly because against the running team, I

713
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: think when they've struggled. I ask you guys that question earlier.

714
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: I think when they've struggled against the run, I think

715
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: primarily you've had issues at linebacker, and I think he's

716
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: been a part of that. And I just wonder, like

717
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: this is a game where he's gonna have to show

718
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: up and really play an outstanding game, getting in the

719
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: right gaps where he needs to be and not getting

720
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: washed out of place, because that happens quite a bit

721
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: with him, which is and I agree, but they both do.

722
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: Neil and Layton both have to have nice games. But

723
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: I would like Parsons to help with that, right Yeah,

724
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: I just I mean again, I want him to do

725
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything always, but I think I'm

726
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: content to try to let the the front four get

727
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: after Garoppolo Like it's it's weird to be talking about

728
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: an NFL football game in twenty twenty two where I'm

729
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: more worried about what they can do with the run

730
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: than the past. I'm just like, I can you know,

731
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: I'll live and die with making Jimmy make those plays.

732
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: You know. And you say, you say, Jimmy, you're talking

733
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: about Garoppolo, But I think that Jimmy Johnson. I remember

734
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: when he first got here, um and and the big

735
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: talk was you can't play college football in the NFL,

736
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: especially in the NFC East because Jimmy Johnson wanted quick,

737
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: fast defenders, undersized, you know, a little bit um. But

738
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: but they they fly to the ball. And here's here's

739
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: a good example of that. You know. Keian nielsa converted safety.

740
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons, Yes, he's a linebacker. He's he's not the biggest,

741
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, vander esh you know, those guys have been

742
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: knocked back before. Jay Ron Curse is a converted safety

743
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: that plays up there close to the line. Big boys

744
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: try you know, blockie. It gets hat on a hat,

745
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: which could be in trouble. The thing is they've got

746
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: to be quicker to the ball. They got to use

747
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: that speed and it worked on those teams in the

748
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: nineties and they kind of change the game a little bit.

749
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: But but I just wonder, like this is gonna be

750
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: speed versus power, and if and if they don't get

751
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: there and utilize their speed and they take on these

752
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: blocks head on it, it could be a long day.

753
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: I do also and completely agreed. I think it's worth

754
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: mentioning as well. They're so good at yards after catch

755
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: and that's been I mean, talking about issues for this defense.

756
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: That's been a theme as well. Going back the Saints game.

757
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: I just talked about seventy yard catch and run. You've

758
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: seen stuff like that across the season. DJ Moore going

759
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: all the way back to Carolina and again, I mean

760
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: tackling a lot, don't I mean, don't let they're gonna

761
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: get first downs. Don't let these guys turned six yard

762
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: catches into twenty five yard games. I saw both of

763
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: us kind of looked at each other while Bucky was

764
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: talking about how they will try to, you know, run

765
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: on the outside if they think that they got to

766
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: defend to back. Dad don't like to tackle. Guess what,

767
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: you're a little bit concerned about trey Von because that's

768
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: the one part of Trayvon game that I know a

769
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: lot of people give him a lot of flack about

770
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: what he does in the coverage game. I'm good with that.

771
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a great guy when it comes

772
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: run defense as a run defendant. What do you guys think?

773
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: I know that. Yes, my eyebrows perked up and I

774
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: looked at you for a very specific reason. If yeah,

775
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: I find somebody else to have the yard's allowed debate.

776
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't care. He's been fantastic and coverage, in my opinion,

777
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of Deebo Samuel coming around

778
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: left tackle with Juice Check out there blocking on the perimeter,

779
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: and like Treyvon is what's gonna stop this from being

780
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: a huge game? That, Yeah, that's concerning. And again they

781
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: have to go into this game with that mindset of

782
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be sore as hell tomorrow because it's

783
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: just gonna be that physical and I've got to make

784
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: those types of plays or better yet, Deebo out there

785
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: actually trying to block and you've got Elijah Mitchell coming

786
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: behind him with us check Like that's where I start wondering,

787
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: Like they got receivers and this is what Bucky was getting.

788
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: I think our receivers who like to block and they're

789
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: good at it, that can be a bit of a

790
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: challenge when you start talking about the perimeter run gay

791
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: if Kyle Shanahan doesn't specifically have a focus on like

792
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: number seven doesn't necessarily like to get in the mix

793
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: in the run game, like I guarantee you that's part

794
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: of their game plan. It has to be. Yeah, he's too,

795
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: Like we give him so much credit for the way

796
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: that he like adapts to his opponents and adapts his personnel.

797
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: There's no way that they haven't seen that on tape. Yeah,

798
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: and that's how you're gonna get him out of his game,

799
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, get him running the running at him, let

800
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: him thinking that way. And then that's where we've kind

801
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: of seen him slip up a little bit um in coverage,

802
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, when he's not playing his game and and

803
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: just covering guys all the time. So yeah, I agree,

804
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's that's gonna be. I mean,

805
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: they do a lot of those reverses and things like that.

806
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna but that's where the linebackers have got to

807
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: be true. We talked about they got to be aware,

808
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: they got to be seeing it. They gonna be chasing it.

809
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: The speed is gonna come into play. That's where it's

810
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: just like it's a chess match, you know, And you

811
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: talked about how sore you're gonna feel the next day.

812
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the winner of this game could very easily

813
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: play on Saturday. I mean, I think that's a possibility

814
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: that the winner of this game is going to get

815
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: a short week. Well. The interesting thing there too is

816
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: both of these teams, the team that you would probably play,

817
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Tampa gets to win, They're gonna have a

818
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: similar type matchup, a team that likes to mix it

819
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: up and play physical. And so you know, this is

820
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Everybody's gonna everybody's gonna be feeling it come Monday,

821
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: because every the level of play goes up when you

822
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: get don't think anyone's gonna be too tired to play, right, Yeah, no,

823
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think so. But and it's of

824
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: course where that would be thinking too far ahead. But

825
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: Tampa play is Sunday at one or noon for us,

826
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: and then the other matchup that the Cowboys could potentially

827
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: be involved with his Monday night. So at the very

828
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: least happen on Saturday. No, but well just at the

829
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: very least, whoever they would play isn't going to have

830
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: more rest than they would So yeah, no, I think

831
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: I think you find your I think you can find

832
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: your energy for the playoffs. Because we were talking about that,

833
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: like like, and this is if the NFL wants to

834
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: go AFC NFC on Saturday, AFC NFC on on Sunday,

835
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: they may not. They may stick it to what it

836
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: is right now and just go AFC A But the

837
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: thing about it is is that you know, if if

838
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys are gonna play the Buccaneers, if they

839
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: win and play the Buccaneers, then then the next game

840
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: would be um Green Bay and obviously the winner of

841
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: the four or five game on Monday night. They're not

842
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: putting a Monday night team on Saturday. So I'm just

843
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: saying if they do want to put an NFC game

844
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: on Saturday, it's gonna have to be the you know,

845
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: the b Bucks and the winner of this game. Yeah,

846
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: I again the problems problems for Monday. Oh yeah, they win, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's yeah, they'll have they'll be banged up and all that.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it's like I said before, it's a

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Speaker 1: fist fight. This is gonna turn into a very physical game.

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Speaker 1: And can the Cowboys do it? Can they hold up?

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Speaker 1: That's that's the big question. As always appreciate you guys,

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Speaker 1: join us. Will back to morrow. We're gonna talk some

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Speaker 1: San Francisco defense firstus. The Cowboys offense will do that tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So then for Nick Even and Dave Helm and Amber Garcia,

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