1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gottlieb Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio dot com, 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: by searching app as car Boom, What Up America, Doug 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Mm hmmmm. Come and tell 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: you from Well, it's kind of cool outside. I'm not 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. Very very cool here in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Also, 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: you can rest ashore the folks in Sherman Oaks, California. 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: All our guys doing well helping produce this here show. 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. It's a Monday, it's 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: the middle of June. It's the middle of the NBA Finals, 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that. I'll point out the biggest 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: adjustment that the thunder Maid and and as is part 16 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: as the course for the NBA, what's wait until Game 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: three to see what adjustment to the adjustment that the 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: Pacers make. Welcome in. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. 19 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm in a unique position sitting is not a unique position. 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: When I say unique position, it's being your host and 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: being the head coach of a Division one men's college 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: basketball team. And what happened last Friday is absolutely the 23 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: talk of media and of coaches and administrators everywhere. Right, 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: there was the NCAAA settlement, which there's like two billion 25 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: dollars or something to athletes in the past past twenty 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: years or so, and then it basically divides up how 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: you can now pay players from the schools and what 28 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: it looks like in so it's being called a revenue 29 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: share revshare, right, And there's new laws and legislations in 30 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: oversight a company actually overseeing every transaction from the NIL 31 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: variety over six hundred dollars. So there's a lot to it. 32 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: But I think what you need to know is while 33 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: it's being called groundbreaking, it it is. While we're saying 34 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: there's a big change in college athletics, there is. The 35 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 1: ramifications are really far reaching. And the most important thing 36 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: you should know is, yeah, college athletes in the revenue 37 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: generating sports and somebody even in the non revenue generating 38 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: sports are being compensated. They are, and now because they're 39 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: going to be compensated by the schools as well as 40 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: at times some NIL collectives will have a better sense 41 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: of what the reality is with just how much money 42 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: is being spent on these players, right, But it's really 43 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: liar's poker outside of that. But you know, if it 44 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: comes from a school, we're gonna know how much. But 45 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: it's the what aren't they telling you? What don't you know? 46 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: And what you should understand. And I've seen other people 47 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: talk about this is if you really like Olympic sports 48 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: or if your kid plays Olympic sports, what I think 49 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: you need to understand is the likelihood of a scholarship 50 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: is getting lesser and lesser possible, less and less possible, 51 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: because if you're at again, a school like mine, mid 52 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: majors and below, you're going to keep the revenue generating sports, 53 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: you're going to keep just enough to make sure. And 54 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: we're a streamline ship. I think we have fourteen sports 55 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: that may be the minimum which you can have in 56 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: Vision one. But if there's ancillary sports that don't make money, 57 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: gonzo gonzo. And what's interesting is there are more than 58 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: a handful of places that make money on wrestling, but 59 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: overall college wrestling well, of course, you know, relatively cease 60 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: to exist. Volleyballs become huge in the Midwest, obviously, Nebraska, 61 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: Penn State, I think Wisconsin, some of the others in 62 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: the Big ten. But if you're not drawing anybody, you're 63 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: not breaking even or getting close to breaking even or 64 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: making money, that's going to be gone too. What happens 65 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: on social media is your look, You're staring at this 66 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: dollar figure and you're like, oh, you're doing the j 67 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: billis well, I guess there is the money. Here's the 68 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: problem is, yeah, that money exists, and because everyone knew 69 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: this day was coming, we've been saving up for about 70 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: a year so that you have the money for a 71 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: year to see kind of what's what. But what you're 72 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: going to end up doing is well, you'll very much 73 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: cap or put a lower ceiling on what assistant coaches 74 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: and head coaches can make. And that may not bother you, 75 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: but you're not somebody who's been in a profession for 76 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: twenty years and has reasonable expectations of making a wage 77 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: commensurate with Hey, I put in twenty years. I think 78 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: I've done pretty well. I should get paid pretty well. 79 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: Mid Level mid level administrators also will be gone. There's 80 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: going to be the haves and the have nots of 81 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: sports that they always have been, but they have nots have 82 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: been able to make it work with, you know, with 83 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: everyone around campus and with all of their sports, and 84 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: now it'll become increasingly difficult because to even playball at all, 85 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: you got to pay some of these student athletes. And 86 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: once you pay them, when you're never going to pay less. 87 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: You're never going to like, if you hit a budget 88 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: of one hundred thousand, you're never going to go to 89 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: fifty thousand next year. It's just going to keep going up. 90 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: And the money has to come from somewhere. Money has 91 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: to come from somewhere, and it's going to come from 92 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: the same pot of money that handles how much you travel, 93 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: what you spend on, how much you recruit, will you 94 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: spend on your assistant coaches, and most importantly, how much 95 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: we spend on other sports that don't make any revenue. 96 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that we are not going to 97 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: use our rev share to compensate players above that of 98 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: a scholarship. I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you. 99 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: But I'm also at my school, my athletic director, my 100 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: president have prepared for this day and we're in pretty 101 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: good Jay, but that doesn't mean that it's going to 102 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: be great in the future for all of our other 103 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: sports programs men's and women's soccer, women's volleyball, got swimming 104 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: and diving, plenty of other sports programs at our school 105 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: that will have to figure out how to make it work. 106 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: So I totally get that the media gets swept up 107 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: in these big numbers where it's for the Power fives 108 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: or Power four. It's twenty two million dollars to be 109 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: split up however you want to be split up. I 110 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: think the presumption is like thirteen million can go to 111 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: football and then the rest you can decide how you 112 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: want to split it all up. Yeah, there really If 113 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: you're going to try and be good and some schools 114 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: are at everything softball, baseball, uh, golf, tennis, soccer, okay, 115 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: then you're very likely your football and basketball programs will 116 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: suffer because there's only one pot of money. There are 117 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: a handful of schools where it doesn't Texas, it doesn't matter, 118 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: how state doesn't matter, Georgia, Bama. They have so much money, 119 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: but for most of them it's just too much. It's 120 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: just too much. Jay stew you thought it was fascinating, 121 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: My thoughts on it, my understanding of it. Is there 122 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: anything I missed that you've wondered about this? What we're 123 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: being told it's a new era in college athletics. 124 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is way too deep in the 125 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: weeds for a simpleton like me. I will say this 126 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: just talking to Big Mic today, Big Mike, who isn't 127 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: in charge down here, and he made an interesting point 128 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: about this. I'd like to get your thoughts. He says, 129 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: is it time to just completely take away the pretense 130 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: that these are college athletic athletes and just treat them 131 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: as pros, put them on a payroll, salary, benefits, taxes, 132 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 2: et cetera. 133 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: I don't believe so, because here's the part that you 134 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: may not know or may not realize. Okay, college athletes 135 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: is college athletes or college athletics still operates in a 136 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: tax free bubble, right, So there's a lot of money 137 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: saved on it, and you can still donate and obviously 138 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: get a write off with it, but the tax exempt 139 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: status is a big one. Additionally, if you make them employees, 140 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of other hoops you have to go through, 141 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: and you cut out the educational aspect of it. And 142 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: as much as we have diminished and frankly it seems 143 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: to not matter to most everybody about the education thing. 144 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: Now you're going to cut off any chance in a 145 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: college degree for any of these kids, and at the 146 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: end of it, they will need it, even the ones 147 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: that are high earners. Many of them will go through 148 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: their money because we would have gone through the money 149 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: if we were nineteen twenty years old getting paid at 150 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: this level too. Like that's just how kids operate. But 151 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: you're going to need that college degree and if there's 152 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: no way to get it, but there's there are so 153 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: many benefits, state benefits, tax benefits, federal government benefits, as 154 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: well as benefits to the student athletes, benefits to donors. 155 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: And then you run into the just again. If you're 156 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: going to hire somebody at Green Bay, if I'm going 157 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: to hire somebody, I'm going to hire a coach, I 158 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: have to have a committee. I have to have somebody 159 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: lead that committee. We have to do a background check. 160 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: We all these are all state legislative things you have 161 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: to do for hiring any person. Well, if I'm hiring 162 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: a basketball player, he has to go through a committee, 163 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: right and and yeah, held to a higher standard in 164 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: many ways. But also again, and this is one of 165 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: the things you're dealing with. You're going to have college 166 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: student athletes who don't play a ton make you more 167 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: money than some of your higher paid professors. And how 168 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: does that go over and how does it work within 169 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: your state constitution to pay athletes at a level above that? 170 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I just it sounds really good and sounds 171 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: really easy, but there are some massive issues with it. 172 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: And I do think though everybody doesn't have this as 173 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: their belief and we're trying our best here. The fact 174 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: that you're you're giving kids a chance at higher education 175 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: is a big part of the core part of it. 176 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: But the tax exem status makes it really really hard 177 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: to think it would it would it would work otherwise, Bira, 178 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: what do you think do you think the the Olympic 179 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: sports survive, especially at the non power for schools. 180 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: No, And and then you wonder, this is what I 181 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: was wondering, Doug. So you know, good Zaga, for example, 182 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: is going to be moving into the Pac twelve. They 183 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: don't have a football program, so their money is going 184 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: to all go to their basketball program. Would any of 185 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: these smaller schools hunt on football, just be like, all right, 186 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: we can't compete anyway, We'll just put it all behind 187 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: these other programs to try to compete. 188 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: Only you can make you can make money on That's 189 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: that's the big That's why people do it. And yet 190 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: is there risk with it? Sure? Do you end up 191 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: spending is spending a bunch of money? Yes? But the 192 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: ones that do it, they do it because the reward 193 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: can be so great if you win at all and 194 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: you put people in your stadium at all. 195 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's like the problem where I just don't 196 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: know how they can compete. 197 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: You know, they can't, so they can't, but they can 198 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: make money even if they're not. They're they're not super computive, right, 199 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: that's the part that it's super weird, right, Like you 200 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: can go and and and and be competitive financially. I mean, 201 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: the real dream is to go out if you're one 202 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: of these other schools, play guarantee games, make a bunch 203 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: of money, do your best to fill up your stadium, 204 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: win some games, and then your coach gets coach gets elevated, right, 205 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: and he gets bought out, and now it ends up 206 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: supplying your university with more and more money, rinse, repeat, 207 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: they like, they don't actually want to hold on to 208 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: their coaches. They want those coaches to be bought out 209 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: because it fills your coffers and then find the next guy, 210 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: and the next guy in the next guy. I'll tell 211 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: you something else that's you're going to see go by 212 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: the wayside. The facilities wars are gonna die. If you 213 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: don't have a facility or one's not being built out, 214 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: you're not going to have one. Because if you ask 215 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: any coach like, hey, do you want a new arena, Sure, 216 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: do you want to rena out? No, take about five 217 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: million of that money, and I'll actually build a better 218 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: basketball program, right or football program whatever of the things 219 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: that are going to suffer. I do think that if 220 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: you don't have big time facilities, you are not going 221 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: to get any any facility upgrade here in the next 222 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: five years or so. Because anybody who knows anything about this, like, 223 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: just go win first and then figure out if you 224 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: need a facility, you need a facility at all. 225 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: It's amazing on how so long we've cried for changes 226 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 3: in sports and changes in college athletics and these last 227 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: five years and now what could happen is just an 228 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: absolute world whirlwind. But the changes were it was kind 229 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: of like having your caking eating it as well, where 230 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: they're like, we want everyone to be paid, everyone to 231 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: get their fair chance, and we also want to compete 232 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: with all of the top teams in sports. And I 233 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: know it's something that you've harped on forever, but so 234 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: all of these things are now seemingly coming to fruition, 235 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: except I feel that the calls for it and it's 236 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: not everybody. Maybe it's not fair to put a blanket 237 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: on it, but this new world of college athletics is 238 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: actually probably going to be worse off for the fan. 239 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: And that may not be important if the fans' interests 240 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: are the student athletes, you know, better interests involved. But 241 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: I think a lot of the fans wanted a chance 242 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: to compete and they're like, yeah, they should be paid, 243 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: and then they realize now that they're likely going to 244 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: be behind the eight ball and a lot of this 245 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: or just not able to race with the big boys, 246 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 3: and now they're fancom's affected. 247 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: I heard J Billis say that this is good for 248 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,359 Speaker 1: the little guy, because little guy can you know, Wichita 249 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: steak and recruit kids that can us would get. Hey, Jay, seriously, dude, 250 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: I love you, but what are you talking about? What 251 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: are you talking about? I'll give you an example. I 252 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: believe their payroll last year is estimated at fifteen million dollars. 253 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that to be the fact. Kansas, I yeah, 254 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: Kansas is the top payroll in the Horizon League this 255 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: coming year, I believe is six hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, 256 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: six hundred fifty thousand dollars. So you tell me where 257 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: there's some even playing field or where it anybody can 258 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: go out? Like could you in theory? Sure? This is 259 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: the same hypothetical stuff he put out there with, well 260 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: you know what musician could earn their right by going 261 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: and playing stuff or whatever? Like musicians don't get the 262 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: full grant and eight and all this stuff. Basketball players 263 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: and football players get whatever. But look, look, I mean 264 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: the reality is again, if I said, the top of 265 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: our league is estimated this coming year at six hundred 266 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, once you calculate this, many 267 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: of those schools at the Power four level. I know 268 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: a player who we were recruiting who was told he 269 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: probably won't play. But he's gonna make about three hundred 270 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars next year at a at a at a 271 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: big school, big And so the choice is like, either 272 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: you want to play and make a little bit of 273 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: money or not play and make a bunch of money. 274 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: The problem is then what do you do after that? Right, 275 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: that's legitimately a discussion, okay, but the idea that there's 276 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: any sort of competitive balance here is so laughable, so laughable. 277 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, by the way, all the new rules 278 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: kill high school recruiting, right, Like we're going to take 279 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: a kid or two in state a year in recruiting 280 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: high school. But other than that, I know schools that like, 281 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: don't go to high school events, save your money. Portal 282 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: Junior College is a new high school, and portal is 283 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: almost everything for these people. 284 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: Just a real quick one, Doug. Just for my clarification, 285 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: This twenty million dollars that the departments are going to 286 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: be paying the athletes is on top of what they 287 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: could get through cleared nil opportunities. Right through this clearing 288 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 3: like they would be able to still make money outside 289 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: of what the athletes are being paid. Correct, Yes, so yeah, 290 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 3: I don't know how the little guy benefits from that, 291 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 3: if these big schools still can offer legitimate, cleared nil money, 292 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: I have no idea how that would happen. 293 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: Can't can't you answer it yourself? And you answered it smartly. 294 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 4: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug 295 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 4: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on 296 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 297 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, It's Fox Sports Radio. It's 298 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: it's the NBA Finals. It means it's time for Rick Buker, 299 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: our NBA insider for Fox Sports Trade. Do you see 300 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: him on Fox Sports one and Reada's work at foxsports 301 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: dot com. Uh, Buke, what's the big takeaway after Game 302 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: two of the NBA Finals? 303 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 5: Uh, The Indiana Pacers did not learn their lesson from 304 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 5: Game one that they have to be more conscientious in 305 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 5: terms of their ball handling and ball security. They can, 306 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 5: they can play fast, but they have to be a 307 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 5: little more judicious in terms of when they when they 308 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 5: play fast. And if they're not going to win the 309 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 5: three point shooting contest, then I don't know that they're 310 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 5: necessarily going to win any more games or win the series. 311 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 5: But but all that said, a feeling is that that 312 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 5: that they still have the ability to play much better. 313 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 5: And in taking a little deeper dive, I think a 314 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 5: lot of people are going to look at Tyre's Halliburton 315 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 5: and what he did and didn't do. To me, the 316 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 5: real uh canary and the coal mine is or or 317 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 5: indicator is Andrew Nemhart. The ability for him to play 318 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 5: and to be efficient allows Halliburton to play off the 319 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 5: ball or be a counter offensively. And I think that 320 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 5: that's that's what has to happen if they are going 321 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 5: to win any more games in the series. 322 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought they did a good job of taking 323 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: them heart and putting him down, putting them down the 324 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: post on defense, taking away some of his advantages on defense, 325 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: and and we'll see what the Pacers adjustment is. Is there? 326 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: All right, let's get outside of the finals, because if 327 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm honest, it's super boring, right that was? That was boring. 328 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: That was, with the exception of the last five minutes 329 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: of Game one, not the greatest series of all time. 330 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: So so now now it gets interesting. The Knicks, what's the 331 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: pecking order of who they want to be their head coach? 332 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 5: Well, based on everything that I'm here. I haven't heard 333 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 5: anything contrary to the idea. I know that Johnny Bryant 334 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 5: is they're they're familiar with no chance. 335 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: Listen to me, listen to me, no chance. And it's 336 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: not because I have I've never heard anything bad about 337 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: Johnny Bryant. But you can't fire a guy who the 338 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: mo O is well, he can't advance in the playoffs 339 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: for a guy who's never coached deep in the playoffs. 340 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 5: With you, I just felt I had to mention his 341 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 5: name because his. 342 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: Name is. 343 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 5: And there is and I will say this, there is 344 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 5: and I think you saw it with the with the 345 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 5: Phoenix Suns hiring is that. I do think there is 346 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 5: a little bit of a sea change here in terms 347 00:20:53,600 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 5: of teams that are valuing head coaches or hiring head 348 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 5: coaches who are going to be part of their system, 349 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 5: or or they're there thinking and it's going and are 350 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 5: going to be malleable when it comes to working with 351 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 5: the GM and or the owner, depending on how involved 352 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 5: they are, as opposed to hiring somebody who's just going 353 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 5: to come in and say this is how I do 354 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 5: things where you where it's it's blockstock and barrel. The 355 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 5: head coach and and and and orchestrates everything because I 356 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 5: think these I think that one of the reasons is 357 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 5: because these franchises have just become too too extensive in 358 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 5: terms of all the people that a head coach has 359 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 5: to deal with. But you better be able to build relationships. 360 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 5: All that said, I do think that there is uh, 361 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 5: there is griffs to the to the Jason Kidd rumors, 362 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 5: you know how they ultimately get him there, but there 363 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 5: is a familiar with him, uh, with that organization, and 364 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 5: the idea that that he might improve their chances of 365 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 5: getting a janis Ante Tecumpo there. All of that I 366 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 5: think is on the table. 367 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: Hmmm, Okay, what what about Giannis? Where? Where? Where does 368 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: this stand in regards to his movement? 369 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 5: Well, what's going to be interesting is and I don't 370 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 5: know that he's had the conversation yet, but I know that, Look, 371 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 5: I think it's sooner rather than later. I don't know 372 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 5: that it's official yet or that he has come right 373 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 5: out and said, hey, I think it's time for me 374 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 5: to go. But I think that the Bucks and Giannis 375 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 5: are working toward uh toward that end. And the question 376 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 5: will be as well. People are are seem to be 377 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 5: some somewhat skeptical of the Toronto Raptors possibility. I do 378 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 5: know that there is a there is a relationship between 379 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 5: Massi E. Jerry, the GM there and Yannis. They both 380 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 5: have Nigerian roots, and it comes down to Milwaukee negotiating 381 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 5: with Yannis. If indeed they're moving him, you know, what 382 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 5: are we going to get back? And I believe that 383 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 5: the Raptors would be willing to move with Scottie Barnes 384 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 5: and other pieces, but make Scottie Barnes the central piece 385 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 5: to a deal to get Yannis. And however you feel 386 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 5: about Scottie Barnes, that does give you a twenty three 387 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 5: year old All Star level player that at least gives 388 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 5: you a cornerstone for potentially moving forward if indeed you 389 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 5: have to move Giannis, and you have to move him 390 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 5: to a team that he wants to go to. 391 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: If not Toronto, what about what about the Texas teams? 392 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 5: I think there's possibility there simply because because they have 393 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 5: the resources to do that. The distinction is if he's 394 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 5: going to one of those places, I don't know that 395 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 5: the West is as attractive as obviously to Milwaukee. Getting 396 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 5: him out of the conference would be and the package 397 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 5: would be. But I think if Jannis is looking at 398 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 5: I want to be able to I want to be 399 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 5: the I want to be able to make certain that 400 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 5: I'm in the playoffs and that I'm going to be 401 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 5: able to contend for a title. The West is just 402 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 5: so loaded. I don't know that either one of the 403 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 5: Western Conference teams, with the way that the West is 404 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 5: sacked right now, gets him close to that. And I'm 405 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 5: and I'm speaking from looking at the circumstances as opposed 406 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 5: to that. I know that Giannis is looking at it 407 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 5: this way, and I'm sure some people would have been 408 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 5: there to go, well why are you going? Why you're 409 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 5: going to Toronto? And the one thing will be, you know, 410 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 5: besides saying, hey, I've built a championship team before and 411 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 5: not that long ago. I can build another championship team 412 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 5: around you sooner rather than later. And the in the 413 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 5: Eastern Conference is a lot easier to navigate than the West. 414 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: What does Boston look like next year? 415 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 5: That's a good question. They've got They've they've got them 416 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 5: some decisions to make. I don't know that Al Horford 417 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 5: is there. Uh, you know, once everybody figures out what's 418 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 5: going on, with Kristaps porzingis. Uh. The question is where 419 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 5: you know where they go forward there through holiday? I 420 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 5: think is available there there There are going to be 421 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 5: some changes made there, but I think the foundation of 422 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 5: Tatum Brown, Derek White, obviously, you know, some of the 423 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 5: ancillary pieces like Peyton Pritchard. I think that will remain 424 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 5: the same. But I I don't know that that. I 425 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 5: don't know that you're going to see a Boston Celtics 426 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 5: team come back that is going to be constituted the 427 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 5: same way it is right now. There are going to 428 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 5: be some pieces taken out of that. Their their main 429 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 5: rotation Al Horf is a natural just because they simply 430 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 5: can't afford to bring him back. The question is going 431 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 5: to be do they do they go in deeper and 432 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 5: make more changes. 433 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson best best guess on where he lands? 434 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 5: What's that? 435 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson best guess on where he plays next year? 436 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 5: Oh my goodness. Honestly, I don't know, because I haven't 437 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 5: heard anybody that is that is dying to get him. 438 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 5: At this point, I would say it's probably an ancillary. 439 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 5: I mean, you're looking at a team like Charlotte off 440 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 5: the map, not I haven't heard anything from a significant 441 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 5: team that would be interested in Yeah, I mean that's 442 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 5: where we That's just where we are. But between the 443 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 5: injury history and off the court stuff that's going on 444 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 5: right now, he's a bit toxic and first as as 445 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 5: talented as we thought he could be, there's and the 446 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 5: contract is good. The contract is actually part of the attraction, 447 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 5: believe it or not, because there are a lot of 448 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 5: ways to either reduce what he's getting paid or to 449 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 5: get out of the contract. But then it's the question 450 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 5: of you know what, how much are you really willing 451 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 5: to give up to get it? 452 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: Sure? Sure, that's reasonable. Lakers, what do they do? 453 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 5: They need to make a decision on how quickly they're 454 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 5: going to move on on trying to build this team 455 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 5: around around Luca and uh and so, I honestly, with 456 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 5: what they have as of right now, presuming that Lebron 457 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 5: is coming back and and he's not going to exercise 458 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 5: his option, which I would fully expect that he's coming back, 459 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 5: I think the bigger question is are we going to 460 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 5: hear by training camp that this is Lebron's last year. 461 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 5: I know that there's been a little speculation that, hey, 462 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 5: does he want to play with Bryce. But the reality 463 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 5: is if you're the if you're the Lakers and you're 464 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 5: moving on to building around Luca, you can't take another 465 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 5: James project. 466 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: I know, but how do you? How do you if 467 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: you're Lebron? Okay again, and you're thinking, we're thinking Lebron 468 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: thinks of other people. I don't think that. We both 469 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: know that's not always the case, right or are you 470 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: mostly the case? Like so he's going to play with 471 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: Bronnie but not with Yeah, well. 472 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 5: I mean you're talking about so it would have to 473 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 5: be at least and you're talking about two more years. 474 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 5: You're talking next year and then an additional year. And 475 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 5: if you're I mean, if you're the Lakers, you can't 476 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 5: you can't possibly entertain that. If you're trying to move 477 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 5: forward with Luca. You've got too much you got to expend. 478 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 5: You you got to spend your resources on on other 479 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 5: things rather than catering to to Lebron. Which is why 480 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 5: I go back to again, I would not be surprised 481 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 5: if if Lebron and now because I don't, I don't 482 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 5: see any way in which Lebron doesn't have doesn't have 483 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 5: a farewell tour. 484 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no question, no question. But is he 485 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: gonna do it again? Are you going to be the 486 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: dad that only stays to play with one kid, not 487 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: with the other. And I he absolutely does a farewell tour. 488 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: I think that part is going to be absolutely fascinating. 489 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 5: But he's gonna do it if he's gonna if he's 490 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 5: gonna hang around to play with Bryce, I have a 491 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 5: hard time seeing how it's gonna be with the Lakers. 492 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: Hmm, Now that would be interesting, that would be interesting. 493 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it just gets so complicated. You're because 494 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 5: now you're talking, is you're gonna leave Bronny with the Lakers? 495 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 5: I think, I do think that Bronnie has to play 496 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 5: this coming year because while he signed a three year deal, 497 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 5: the last year of it is not guaranteed. And if 498 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 5: Lebron isn't going to be there or they're no longer 499 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 5: catering to Lebron, then Bronnie has next season to prove 500 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 5: that he can play in the league on a team 501 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 5: that doesn't that isn't catering to his dad, right mhm. 502 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: But again, if they're gonna try and win, you can't 503 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: really play Bronnie and try and win. 504 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean let's that's that's where I really you know, 505 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 5: acquiring Luca and building a team around Luca changes the dynamic. 506 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: Yep. 507 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 5: Great petering to Kate Lebron. 508 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one only. 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Hopefully you do too 519 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: At Gottlieb Show Twitter, at Gottlieb Show Instagram. We'll see 520 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: you with Dan Bayer. Uh what what Ryan thought? What 521 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: Jay Stou thought? As well? Before we get to any 522 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: of that, let's get to game time. Hey, Dan Byer, 523 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: what's the game? 524 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 6: It is the Doug. The game today is big deal, 525 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 6: little deal, no deal? All right, big deal, little deal 526 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 6: or no deal? This off the heels of what you 527 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 6: let Today's show with that UCLA and Penn State have 528 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 6: reached an agreement with the private Equity Back to College 529 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 6: Investment Initiative. 530 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, a big deal, little deal or no. 531 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: That's a huge deal, huge deal. 532 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 3: Sportico with that report, By the way. 533 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: That's a huge deal. What does it mean? Again? I 534 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: don't know what it means is somebody else has ownership 535 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: of your athletic department, not your school. I don't know 536 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: how this works. These are at state institutions to Penn 537 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: State and UCLA. I guess they're gonna be They're gonna 538 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: be Petri dishes, and we'll we'll see how it how 539 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: it works out. Again, what it means is private. What 540 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: private equity means is they come in with their own money. 541 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: They get an ownership stake, but then they also get 542 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: say on what you do and why you do it, 543 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: how you do it with the eye on one thing. 544 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: Only one thing matters to private equity, which is what 545 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: Dan buyer money? Does it make money? Right? Do you 546 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: know what college athletics doesn't do outside of football and 547 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: maybe men's. 548 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 3: Basketball make money? 549 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 7: Correct? Therein lies the rub. It's going to be fascinating, 550 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 7: big deal, little deal or no deal. Doug that game 551 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 7: two was kind of a dug last night. 552 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: Ah, big deal when you come off of the energy, 553 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: and how interesting the comeback was because it's kind of 554 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: like we talked about, Dan, although you weren't on last week, 555 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: I know you're traveling, you're actually in Wisconsin and traveling 556 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: back and forth. But it's one of the things that 557 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: we talked about leading up to it, which is Haliburton 558 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: has these games which kind of like last night, like 559 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 1: you don't really do anything, like yeah, yeah, the night 560 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: I don't even want to end up with. But he 561 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: had like fifteen in the fourth quarter like games over, 562 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. 563 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 3: I also I also feel that and this isn't anything 564 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: new because the Finals Finals used to be on a Tuesday, Thursday, 565 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: Sunday schedule, yep. And that's what they would just rotate. 566 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: And now it's altered a bit where you try to 567 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 3: give them as money days as many days as you can, 568 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 3: usually two days in between games. There's gonna be Game 569 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 3: three on Wednesday and then Game four on Friday, but 570 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 3: then there won't be another game until Game five would 571 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 3: be on will be on Monday. But Doug I think 572 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 3: they lose momentum with these two days off as well. 573 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 3: And if they could figure out a way with a 574 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 3: Stanley Cup final to just do every other night, so 575 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 3: then fans for two weeks have these championships, so they're like, 576 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 3: all right, tonight, it's hockey tonight, it's basketball tonight, it's hockey. 577 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: I think it would do favors for it because I 578 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 3: think it's it's gonna lose momentum by the time Wednesday 579 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 3: comes around. 580 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: No question. I mean, you come off of Tyrese Halbert 581 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: and hit a game winner, an unbelievable comeback, and then 582 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: you gotta win three out of three days and then 583 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: it's a boring game and they're like. 584 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you gotta wait two more days for that. 585 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: Two more I'm with you, but I will tell you. 586 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that you 587 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: and I are smarter than programming people who do this 588 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: for a living and their job is to squeeze every 589 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: last ratings ounce out of it. Again, it defies logic 590 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: to me, Well advise, loge to you, it does. There 591 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: has to be a reason why they do it. 592 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 3: And that's the thing that, like I could understand that 593 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 3: they were like Tuesday, Thursdays and Sundays are best rating nights. 594 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 3: We know that Fridays aren't great, but now they basically 595 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 3: play on almost almost every day of the week. And 596 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 3: to get these games in so the to have a 597 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 3: game seven on Sunday night, I guess is their ultimate goal. 598 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 3: But if it doesn't go seven games, then what's the 599 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: point anyway? Moving on other NBA matters, Big deal, a 600 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 3: little dealer no deal that will report from ESPN says 601 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 3: the Knicks and MAVs coach Jason Kidd do have mutual 602 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 3: intrigue between each other. Is the Knicks. We're set to 603 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,479 Speaker 3: ask the Mavericks for permission to speak with Kid. 604 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: I think that's a big deal. It's a big deal 605 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 1: right one, he's former Nick. Two. Obviously the owner likes him. 606 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: You know, he's been to the NBA Finals, which is 607 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: past that. But it also speaks to though he's got 608 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: Cooper Cooper flag coming get Kyrie back, he does have 609 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. This feels like a uh check please check. 610 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna go at check please because of all 611 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: of the negative after trade trade away Luca. 612 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 3: Finally Doug big deal, little deal of no deal that 613 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 3: the fever out of the sky by twenty seven. Without 614 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark this past weekend, I feel. 615 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: Like it's a huge deal, huge one. It continues to 616 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: show that like, are we really sure we're gonna put 617 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: Angel Reese anywhere near this conversation with Kaitlyn Clark, and 618 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: and it shows what they'veuilt around Kaitlyn Clark. They built 619 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,919 Speaker 1: a good team. So my guess is that's a team 620 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: that's going to contend for a championship this year. And 621 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: that is game Time coming on next to the Doug 622 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show live here on Fox Sports Radio. What we 623 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: Love from the weekend, What we Hated from the weekend. 624 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: Love and Hate's next,