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Speaker 4: us in just a minute. Jim Sony Sonfeld, the drummer

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Speaker 4: for Hoody and the Blowfish, a band that at the

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Speaker 4: time in the nineties ninety five ninety six in that

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Speaker 4: area was the biggest band in the United States of America.

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Speaker 4: Golic and Sony, of course are friends, Billy, so Colic's

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Speaker 4: going to join us to speak with his friends.

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Speaker 5: I'm starting to learn stetts the more we do these.

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Speaker 5: Golic is friends with absolutely everybody.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 5: Everybody we come across, Golic is friends with or they

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Speaker 5: know Golic. Golic is like a thousand. It seems exhausting

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Speaker 5: to have as many friends as Mike Golick has.

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Speaker 3: I think it's why he doesn't keep any of their number, So.

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Speaker 2: You think that's what it is.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't actually want to talk to hen he got

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Speaker 5: his friends.

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Speaker 3: So I see, y'all, see you you agree.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm starting to think I'm going back through

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Speaker 5: the role of names. I remember him saying that he

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Speaker 5: had and the numbers he chooses to keep for just weird,

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Speaker 5: weird it's the ones he could have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, well, what are some of the ones

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Speaker 3: that he had? You remember?

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's all like old defensive tackles from like

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Speaker 5: rival teams and stuff, right, and so.

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Speaker 3: Those guys in Jaws, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I got Mike, Did you get his? Kenny Chesny's like no,

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Speaker 5: I don't think so him.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Kenny Chesney's like one of his best friends.

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Speaker 4: And Mike is an honest guy. So we know this

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Speaker 4: about Mike. I am not he is, Okay, he's an

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Speaker 4: honest man. I have asked Mike for Kenny's number fifteen

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Speaker 4: dodgs when Mike says he doesn't have Kenny's number, who's

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Speaker 4: one of his best friends. He does not have Kenny's number.

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Speaker 5: Well, so he taught us something a couple months back.

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Speaker 5: I think we're doing God Bless football or one of them.

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Speaker 5: And he was telling us how because at one time

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Speaker 5: you did have Kenny's number, and Kenny just I guess

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Speaker 5: every year, two years or whatever, just gets a new

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Speaker 5: number to kind of like purge out people like you

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Speaker 5: that he doesn't want calling him and bothering him. And

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Speaker 5: I I was telling someone the other day, I'm like,

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Speaker 5: if I won the lotto, I think I would do

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Speaker 5: that exact same thing, right, Like I would just cut

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Speaker 5: out like almost all of my phone numbers from my

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Speaker 5: roll decks and then I just casually dropped in like yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know Kenny Chesney does that. And then the people

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Speaker 5: that I was with are like you asshole, Like why,

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Speaker 5: like you're just saying this is like your friends with

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Speaker 5: Kenny Chesney. I'm like, no, no, no, And I had

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Speaker 5: never had it. It's just a story. Mikeaelig told us.

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Speaker 4: If you won the lottery, would that be the last

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Speaker 4: day me and Levittoe ever see you?

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Speaker 3: For me? Wow? What day is it? What do you

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Speaker 3: mean what you do?

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Speaker 5: What day of the week it is? Maybe I would

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Speaker 5: finish out the week, you know.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's nice of you. Let's tell you what it

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Speaker 5: Then maybe you see me Thursday Friday.

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Speaker 3: That what if you want it on a Monday though?

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Speaker 3: Oh wow Monday, yeah, four days ago.

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Speaker 5: That's four days a long time.

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Speaker 4: Like I'll never get a hold of you again. You're

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Speaker 4: barely gonna hold you out. Yeah, you know, stepany Well.

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Speaker 3: You know I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I win the lottery, everyone's gonna everyone

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I'll save like like twenty numbers maybe, but then

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Speaker 5: after that it's like I need to be careful because

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Speaker 5: the thing is this, right, if you win the lottery,

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Speaker 5: everyone's gonna especially if they know everyone wants something.

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Speaker 3: Yes, everyone wants something. Everyone's coming for you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I would keep my wife's number, probably my kids definitely,

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Speaker 4: and Greenies.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe man Pel and Golie.

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Speaker 5: You'd still be angry to do something with Golic.

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Speaker 4: Yes, of course, always gold Golic's number, yes, always.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Speaking of Golic, let's get to Uh. Let's get the.

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Speaker 4: Golaxy here and his great friend whose number he doesn't have,

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Speaker 4: Gym's Sony's own, belf.

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Speaker 3: Jim. When's the last time you've seen Mike Golding.

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Speaker 6: At our golf tournament? Yeah, I guess I would say so.

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Speaker 6: We had the two off COVID years, so probably three

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Speaker 6: I don't really know how time works exactly.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. It was right before the UH.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember the one where it rained like crazy.

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Speaker 2: I think that was about four of them ago. I

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Speaker 2: the one right before, right before COVID and still, as

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Speaker 2: I say, one of the great golf events. As long

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Speaker 2: as you don't take golf too seriously, because for those

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Speaker 2: that love golf, it's a seven hour round full of

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Speaker 2: nothing but eating and drinking. I am hammered by the

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Speaker 2: golf experience, it's a tough one man, because there's a

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Speaker 2: but it is it is an absolute ball. I love it.

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Speaker 6: Do you need to come back because we need your

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Speaker 6: opinion on our new format, which we tested just a

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Speaker 6: month and a half ago, which was split rounds. Half

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Speaker 6: the group plays Sunday, half plays Monday, minimal audiences on

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Speaker 6: the field, and you get about a four and a

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Speaker 6: half hour round. It's almost nearly boring, but it's much

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Speaker 6: more functional. So when the parties coming night, you're not

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Speaker 6: feeling like you're dragging yourself into them. You're actually have

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Speaker 2: All right. So let me ask you about that because

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Speaker 2: I did that one time. If Ron Jaworski has had

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Speaker 2: so and I couldn't make it this year because it

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Speaker 2: was a week before Sydney's wedding, my daughter's wedding, so

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Speaker 2: I tried to ditch town a week before and you know,

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Speaker 2: so you you got? Did you GoF Sunday only?

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Speaker 6: So let's say we had thirty eight to forty groups, right,

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Speaker 6: a time when you go, yeah, you don't even have

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Speaker 2: So exactly right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like I mean, twenty twenty at the most

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Speaker 2: That I listen compared to what it normally is, that

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Speaker 6: It does not approve your golf at all, does not

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Speaker 6: approve your golf at all.

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Speaker 3: Who cares about improving it?

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Speaker 2: Like I said, it's not going to change the way

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Speaker 2: I play. I have a cigar in one hand, a

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Speaker 4: So now, Billy, have you noticed here that this is

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Speaker 4: it's not his.

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Speaker 3: He has his own. We'll get to that just a second.

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Speaker 3: But you and I have never been invited to this

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Speaker 5: You notice that, right, Well, I mean we just met Sony.

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Speaker 5: But but the goalic one, I mean, I'm kind of

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Speaker 5: wondering that's coming up very quickly, fast approaching. You haven't

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Speaker 3: That, And I wonder if Ji.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if it's a home at home, if Jim

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Speaker 4: repays the favor going to his you know.

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Speaker 2: This, well, yeah, I've gone to that one four years.

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Speaker 2: This first one, we're making more of a Notre Dame one.

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Speaker 2: We're bringing like all the Notre Dame kind of football

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Speaker 2: think we're going to expand it out. Uh. After that,

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Speaker 2: Jim will certainly be invited. He'll be let me put

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Speaker 2: it this way, he'll be invited away before you guys will.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I was Jim invited to the wedding? Jim, No,

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Speaker 4: that was like one of those bad spot I put

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Speaker 4: you in. I'm so listen. I had nothing to do

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Speaker 4: say at all. There was Jim, You're on the cut

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Speaker 4: A guy, and it was Christine who cut you up.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, Chris and Sydney ran the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Me and Ben Jim, Ben is Sydney's husband. We had

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Speaker 2: no say in anything, nothing, zero. And you know what,

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Speaker 2: I was fine with it until I saw the final bill,

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Speaker 2: and then I wasn't til finally.

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Speaker 6: The next chapter. I'll wait till I get there and

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Speaker 6: a bitch about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you got time.

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Speaker 4: Sony is joining us here to promote his books Swimming

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Speaker 4: with a Blowfish, Hoody Healing and one hell of a

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Speaker 4: Ride and an incredible ride, incredible journey.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you, Mike, this is interesting.

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Speaker 4: When I was a camp counselor back in the early nineties,

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Speaker 4: I had a friend who went to UNC and he

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Speaker 4: told me about this band's Hoody and the Blowfish. And

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Speaker 4: now at the time, you had not blown up, Jim

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Speaker 4: into what it is that you ultimately became. But he said, hey,

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Speaker 4: keep an eye on this band. He started playing some

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Speaker 4: of their music and he was fantastic. And you were

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Speaker 4: playing mostly Carolina South, you know, South regional bars at

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Speaker 4: gonna blow up and blow up big. And then Mike,

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Speaker 4: a couple of years later, Man, did they blow up.

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Speaker 4: It's the biggest band in the world for a couple

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Speaker 4: of years there. It's an amazing story.

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Speaker 2: Mike. Oh, listen, I've been fans of theirs forever and

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Speaker 2: been fortunate enough now to get to know them all.

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Speaker 2: But before I even want to talk to that, Jim,

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Speaker 2: I need to know how your soccer career went at

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Speaker 2: South Carolina.

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Speaker 6: Ah, it went. Let me tell you. I came in

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Speaker 6: the hard way, and I, you know, moved eight hundred

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Speaker 6: At least I could take music still at my ripe

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Speaker 2: Oh, I want listen. I got to sing on Darius's

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Speaker 4: It comes out June twenty eighth of this year. Jim,

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Speaker 6: let's try and write it down. It was my birthday

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Speaker 2: for a second. And for those I don't know how

437
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 2: you couldn't know, but if you don't. Jim obviously the

438
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 2: guys he played with at South Carolina ready to start

439
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 2: with Darius Rucker, Mark Bryant, and Dean Felber. So we

440
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: talk about the first I just talked about my first time.

441
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 2: I said, you talk about the national anthem, the first

442
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 2: time you guys played somewhere like for real. You know,

443
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 2: I don't know all the different places you played, but

444
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: where maybe you were getting paid or this was like okay,

445
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: thishit's for real here. If you can remember how how

446
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 2: did that go and how did you feel when it

447
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: was over?

448
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 6: Well, it was again like staying out there saying your

449
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 6: first national anthem or doing anything for the first time.

450
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 6: And it's in the book too, and it's probably what

451
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 6: a lot of the band members would say was a

452
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,239
Speaker 6: moment for them. And it was sitting on stage at

453
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 6: the Ed Sullivan Theater for David Letterman is Late Night Show,

454
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 6: because we quickly understood we're not just signed to a

455
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 6: record label. We're not just playing in front of a

456
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 6: couple thousand people. We're being beamed through those little cameras

457
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 6: with the red dots on them out to millions of homes.

458
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 6: And that can change your career. It can change your life.

459
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 6: And the bit for me was that, you know, this

460
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 6: was nineteen ninety four or thirty years earlier than that,

461
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 6: sat the Beatles, Ringo on his goofy little riser they

462
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 6: had him on, and the rest of the band there.

463
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 6: Now it's thirty years later, ninety four, and we're sitting

464
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 6: up there and suddenly the normalcy of having played hold

465
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 6: my Hand the song we performed five hundred million times

466
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 6: before that went away. The comfort of it's just Darius

467
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 6: and Mark up there went south all of a sudden.

468
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 6: I'm like frozen blood has stopped going to all the

469
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 6: meaningful parts of my body, and I'm like, I'm on

470
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 6: someone's TV right now. It doesn't feel great. It changed

471
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 6: our lives, but the moment was lost on my nerves, unfortunately.

472
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 3: Is that the moment where you guys knew you had

473
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: made it? Though? Was that a moment to find a

474
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: moment for all of you?

475
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 6: It was the hinge. It was where we knew we

476
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 6: could either get flung into the stratosphere by this or

477
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 6: it could be a great three and a half minutes

478
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 6: of fame that you can tell your kids about.

479
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: Now, that was a year I the year I retired.

480
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: I wasn't even playing. And I remember when you got

481
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: when you guys played that, and I remember what what

482
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: a I mean? The reaction to it was unbelievable and

483
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: really started an incredible ascent. I there's a lot, obviously

484
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: to fill in the middle, but now I want to

485
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: I want to ask. So then you go on tour,

486
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: You guys are this young, hot, incredible band. You go

487
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: on tour when you're and then you went on tour,

488
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: as you said in twenty nineteen, I was fortunate enough

489
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 2: to see you guys that year as well. What were

490
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: some outside of age, what were some of the biggest

491
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: differences of those early touring years outside of maybe some

492
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: of the obvious ones and that one in twenty nineteen.

493
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 6: Oh, comfort level mainly obviously, yeah, age and your your

494
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 6: body's reaction to traveling and loss of hair, all those

495
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 6: obvious things. We all go through that, but it was

496
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 6: really the comfort level, you know, I mean we in

497
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 6: ninety five things started kicking as a result of Letterman

498
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 6: and we got booked for our first Amphitheater tour, which is,

499
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 6: you know, anywhere from sixteen to twenty six thousand a night.

500
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 6: We'd been playing up to that point for a couple

501
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 6: thousand people, and we also had no idea how you

502
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 6: act on stage. Suddenly my bandmates were fifty feet away

503
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 6: and as opposed to write up snug against me in

504
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 6: a club, you used to have a camaraderie and a

505
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 6: communication style that was subtly gone, and we're trying to,

506
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 6: you know, associate with these big crowds. Darius didn't really

507
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 6: know how to do that per se, and so it

508
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 6: took us an entire summer and then a few years

509
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 6: of practice to best navigate how do you stand on

510
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 6: a stage when there's that many people out there, and

511
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 6: when you're separate from your bandmates and all the and

512
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 6: you're wearing shorts because like it was nineteen ninety four,

513
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 6: we get just came from the club era, so we're

514
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 6: wearing shorts and T shirts like we don't look at

515
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 6: all cool or hot, And so twenty nineteen, we're comfortable

516
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 6: even if we have no hair and our backs hurt

517
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 6: and Deans on a cane from his newly implanted hip.

518
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 6: It's okay because we feel like we know what the

519
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 6: hell we're doing, and that's all you really want to

520
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 6: feel is comfortable.

521
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 4: Was there a time you thought to yourself you weren't

522
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 4: going to make it, like what did that look like?

523
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 3: Were there times where you guys are like, man, what

524
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: do we do? And this is crazy? We're never going

525
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: to make it big?

526
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, the entire period between nineteen.

527
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: Eighty five, that entire time, you guys, So this was

528
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 4: a wild surprise to you guys. I mean you went

529
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 4: out with the goal of trying to make it into

530
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: a you know, trying to be a big, big rock

531
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: and roll band, which you eventually came, but you you

532
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 4: doubt it all the way through until you made it.

533
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, we always lacked in a little self confidence. We

534
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 6: saw our fan base growing, you know, from ten to

535
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 6: twenty people to thirty to one hundred of actually a

536
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 6: couple thousands in the markets we were working in mostly,

537
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 6: But there's no guarantees. I mean in music at least,

538
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 6: and at that time, pre internet, you might get discovered

539
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 6: or you might not. And you always have that lingering

540
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 6: feeling over you of like, hey, let's have some damn

541
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 6: fun while we're here, because this might be the end

542
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 6: of it or the height of it. So when Letterman

543
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 6: happened and shot us upwards, it relieved that feeling, and

544
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 6: it just, I don't know, maybe I'm paradise for me.

545
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 6: Brought in a new feeling, which was I wonder how

546
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 6: long this will last? Right again, the length of a

547
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 6: care at the top, and a pro football player like

548
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 6: Mike might be able to help with this idea. There's

549
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 6: no guarantee with that either. I mean, five years is

550
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 6: the average, right you went how many?

551
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, three years is the average, I went nine, but

552
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: but yeah, a year to year. For at least six

553
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: of those years, I went in every year, just kind

554
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: of wondering, you know, are you going to make it?

555
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: So I can. I certainly understand, but not the magnitude

556
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: that what you guys hit at, which was incredible, and I.

557
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 3: Did get to go in and he did that later

558
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: with Mike and Mike by.

559
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 2: The way, yeah yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah. As far

560
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: as way in the beginning beginning, you're coming from Naperville

561
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: to South Carolina. When had you known Darius Dean or

562
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: Mark before that or how did you guys meet?

563
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 6: I got Mark was in a audio production class, and

564
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 6: it was my last semester of school, so this is

565
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 6: eighty nine, and and I'd heard of this band Hooting

566
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 6: and the Blowfish around camp because I was in an

567
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 6: equally funny named band called Touty in the Jones. So

568
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 6: it's my curse. But I knew that there's this other

569
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 6: band that sounded like us in name, and they were around,

570
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 6: but honestly, wasn't until another sort of moment of providence

571
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 6: or something that I was I'd been in a apartment

572
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 6: fire and about a dozen of us college kids had

573
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 6: been burned out and a couple of nights later drowning

574
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 6: my sorrows. Sitting in a little bar in Five Points,

575
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 6: Columbia near the campus, hooting the Blowfisher on stage. And

576
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 6: I don't know them except Mark was in a class

577
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 6: of mine. And Mark Bryant stops the entire Rabbit audience

578
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 6: and says, everybody, give me your attention. There's a guy

579
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 6: here you may know from this other band named Sony.

580
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 6: He's been burned out of his apartments. He doesn't have

581
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 6: a toothbrush or a kitchen stove. I'm gonna pass my

582
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 6: hat around. He takes his sweaty ball cap off. I'm

583
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 6: sure it said in Maryland on the front. It came

584
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 6: by the time it came around to me, who was

585
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 6: just stunned. On the side of the stage there was

586
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 6: thirty five bucks, which in nineteen eighty nine was probably

587
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 6: like two hundred and fifty bucks now, And I thought,

588
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 6: these guys are they have me already. They're cool. They're

589
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 6: using their influence on a stage to help somebody for

590
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 6: no particular reason other than it's the right thing to do.

591
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 6: And I made a note that I love these guys.

592
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 6: And six months later they asked me to audition, so

593
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 6: that was me meeting the band. I didn't need to

594
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 6: say or shake a hand of Darius or Mark or

595
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 6: Dean or their old drummer Brantley, because I knew from

596
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 6: their action that they were amazing guys. So the fact

597
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 6: that we came together really is under that light of

598
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 6: guys who'd like to have fun, play some clubs, and

599
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 6: do the right thing.

600
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 5: Missed opportunity though, when you guys combine not being Hooty

601
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 5: and Tuty or two Dy in the Blowfish, Yeah exactly.

602
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: Yes, at Toty and Jones, I mean they must have

603
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: been pissed when you left.

604
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you're right cheating on them.

605
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 6: It's still one of my best Tuty is still one

606
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 6: of my best friends in the world. They still have

607
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 6: the band too, because uh into small towns, you know,

608
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 6: medium sized campus, and there was enough room for two

609
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 6: bands with silly names. And so when I went over

610
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 6: to who do he was because they wanted to write music.

611
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 6: Whody was saying, Hey, we're going to write original material now,

612
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 6: and that's what that's where my heart was. And Uh,

613
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 6: Tuty were more playing covers and they were stellar at

614
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 6: what they did and still are, but they accepted that

615
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 6: it was an artistic sort of move that I was, uh,

616
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 6: switching camps for So.

617
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: Jim correct me if I'm wrong in this, especially when

618
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: you start out locally. There's a lot that goes into

619
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: because I've been in at the wind Jammer that when

620
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: you when you are popular or fill the wind Jammer,

621
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: then basically you know you're you're ready.

622
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: To move on?

623
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: What how how did that go? That whole process go

624
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: with the wind Jammer and fill in that? What a

625
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: what an incredible place by the way, I mean just

626
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: a great place to go play.

627
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean there's when you're we kind of

628
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 6: went and have to make the choice at some point

629
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 6: of being what was a big fish, no pun intended

630
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 6: in a small pond. South Carolina is not that big,

631
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 6: and so we were packing out all the clubs on

632
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 6: the coast and in town here. But at some point

633
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 6: you have to say, are we content with that, is

634
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 6: that what we're going for, or are we willing to

635
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 6: do something bigger? And while most people from the industry

636
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 6: at that time would have told us you need to

637
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 6: move to la or New York, that's where bands make it,

638
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 6: we thought, I think we can do it from here,

639
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 6: we just have to go further. So we bought a

640
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 6: van and we just traveled our tails off in the

641
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 6: North Carolina, Virginia of Delaware, New York, down to Florida,

642
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 6: over to Alabama, Georgia until we were wore out, and

643
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 6: that's where we found a bigger audience. Eventually we got

644
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 6: to be a very small fish in a big pond

645
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 6: when we put out our first record because nobody knew

646
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 6: us from the man on the But you kind at

647
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 6: some point need to make the leap and say, I

648
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 6: got to get to the rest of the world if

649
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 6: I want to be seen by the rest of the world.

650
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 6: So we got a little lucky doing that. We had

651
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 6: one song that they put on the radio and it

652
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 6: wasn't doing well until a letterman put it on his

653
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 6: show and that changed everything. But they did like the

654
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 6: song and came back for a few more. So.

655
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: Jim Sony Sonfeld with us a drummer for Hoody and

656
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: the Blowfish as a book coming out Swimming with the Blowfish,

657
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: Hoody Healing.

658
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: And One hell of a Ride. What did the top

659
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: look look like for you? Jim?

660
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: So you get there, you arrive, your big stars, the

661
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: Letterman plays your song. You're hearing your home music in

662
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 4: your in your car on your car radio, which has

663
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: to be really really cool. What did what happened once

664
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 4: you got to that level that maybe you didn't expect?

665
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: What did it look like for you?

666
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 6: We realized we didn't know what the hell we were doing.

667
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: You were fully unprepared for it.

668
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 6: Huh, yeah, you're there and you have some degree earned it,

669
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 6: but you were unskilled as to how to keep it.

670
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 6: So we spend from nineteen ninety four to two thousand

671
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 6: figuring out how do we stay here? Is it possible

672
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 6: to even stay here? So we put out three albums?

673
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 6: We do we work our tails off. The record label

674
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 6: I think eventually realizes they've made enough on Cracked review

675
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 6: the first one, do they even need to push a

676
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 6: fourth thoty record? Or so we end up in that

677
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 6: weird zone where you're not sure what to do? Where's

678
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 6: your career? And it looks great from the top. I

679
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 6: mean believe me that we're all sort of pinched ourselves saying,

680
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 6: my gosh, we get to play these big shows. We

681
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 6: suddenly had fans or peers who were celebrity musicians, celebrity

682
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 6: football players baseball players, which was the heart of who

683
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 6: he was, sports as well as music. So we got

684
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 6: to enjoy a bunch of years just saying we got

685
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 6: to meet fill in the blank, Mike Golig, we got

686
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 6: to meet so and so.

687
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: Right, but they asked to be someone better than Golick.

688
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you got like, yeah, Jiff for you, Like,

689
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: give me you're playing alongside somebody, Dave Matthews. I don't

690
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 4: know who it is, but you're playing with somebody on stage. Uh,

691
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 4: and give me that moment like, what the fuck did

692
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: this happen? How am I playing with this person on stage?

693
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: Was there a person in particular for you our band?

694
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

695
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 6: I know exactly who it was because I did the

696
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 6: exact comment. You just said, what happened here? And it

697
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 6: was Willie Nelson. We got went from you know, peering

698
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 6: up at a god called Willie Nelson to being invited

699
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 6: to his events called farm Eate and so. And we're

700
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 6: not just any other band on Farm eight. We're we're

701
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 6: the biggest bands in the States in ninety five and

702
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 6: ninety six. Then he asked us, do we mind hosting

703
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 6: one in our hometown of Columbia, South Carolina. So We're like,

704
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 6: what is happening here? And it just it's beautiful. I mean,

705
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 6: you hope somebody took pictures because it goes fast. You

706
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 6: don't have time to take your own pictures. There's nothing

707
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 6: to remember it by except for what's in your heart.

708
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 6: And so yeah, Willie Nelson, dude, And not to mention

709
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 6: getting to party a little bit with Willie, which we

710
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 6: won't mention on air, but he he likes things the

711
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 6: tradition you go to Willy's bus and hang out and

712
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 6: get other minded from minute listen.

713
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: I mean he was just you know, he just saw

714
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: the future. It's basically legal everywhere now, so no big deal, right,

715
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: I mean, what the heck that's the way it goes.

716
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Mike, you're playing in bars in.

717
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: South Carolina and North Carolina, all of a.

718
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 3: Sudden you're a Willy's bus.

719
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: I mean that is that has got to be so cool.

720
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: But you know, this book, as as you have said,

721
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: covers a lot of things. So you guys hit that

722
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: high point. What's it like when it's over where? When

723
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: the touring's going to stop and there's going to be

724
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: a breakup. As you know, I'm sure a lot of

725
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: them are different, but there is a meeting with everybody,

726
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: is is it? I'm sure it can't all be amical,

727
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: amicable all the time. But how did if you don't

728
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: mind talking about how how did that go?

729
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 6: Oh it's not great, And it's a conversation with teammates

730
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 6: or bandmates you put off as long as possible because

731
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 6: he wants to really face it. So mid two thousands

732
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 6: was rolling around and didn't really have a record label,

733
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 6: and the crowds were shrinking up, of course, and we

734
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 6: did have a moment where we decided as a band,

735
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 6: we just need to take a break, which is something

736
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 6: was not in our nature. We always liked making music.

737
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 6: We worked whether there were two people or two hundred thousand,

738
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 6: and so here we came to a place where we

739
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 6: didn't have much support. Darius was thinking he was going

740
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 6: to wanted to put out a country record. I was divorced,

741
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 6: I had two little kids, and I'm like, we got

742
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 6: to do something. So we decided we would go into

743
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 6: this like a little dormancy, which was a big challenge

744
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 6: for us to say we're not going to tour and

745
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 6: we're not going to make a record, and we don't

746
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 6: know when we are That was a very sort of

747
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 6: difficult place for us to land because we had to

748
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 6: talk about it and we didn't really know if the

749
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 6: royalties from the old records would substat us for a month,

750
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 6: a year, or a decade or life, and so we

751
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 6: sort of courageously went into that period. The last place

752
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 6: we played was this club in California, and it, you know,

753
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 6: it didn't look great. It was small. There were people

754
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 6: that were happy to see us, but I wondered, you know,

755
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 6: is this is this how big big bands end? Is

756
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 6: this where the road goes? And luckily, I'll say this

757
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 6: for my bandmates, nobody wanted to like quit that. Nobody

758
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 6: wanted to break up or say screw you, I'm doing

759
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 6: this on my own. We knew the value called hooting

760
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 6: the Blowfish. So we had a foundation at the time

761
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 6: that we had started. He said, let's keep funding the

762
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 6: foundation with charity shows. We're just not going to tour

763
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 6: or make records, and uh, you know it was. It

764
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 6: was brave and and difficult, but a crazy thing happened,

765
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 6: which was life wrote the next few chapters for us.

766
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 6: Darius put out a country record which no one really

767
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 6: could have presumed would do well, and it killed it,

768
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 6: and so Darius was soaring off on a grand country

769
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 6: career as we entered that dormancy, and he deserved it

770
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 6: and worked his butt off for it. I ended up

771
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 6: remarried and uniquely to someone who was very close to

772
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 6: our hoodie family, which made things a little awkward for

773
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 6: a few years. And so that was she's called Laura.

774
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 6: We've been married fourteen years, but she was married to Mark,

775
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 6: so it was like a difficult transition. But looking back,

776
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 6: it's you know, it wrote itself and it's all good.

777
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 6: We got the tour again. We're still alive and kicking,

778
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 6: and we'll probably tour another time.

779
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: Were you I'm sorry, sorry? So were you going? Were

780
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: you when you guys did the reunion tour A Was

781
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: it an uncomfortable get together or was like a handback

782
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: in the glove? And were you guys nervous about how

783
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: you would be received?

784
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 6: It was comfortable. We all wanted to put our hand

785
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 6: in the glove, but it was like the finger was missing.

786
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 6: We were trying to shut our old ways of life

787
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 6: and our old memories from how we used to tour into

788
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 6: a glove that wasn't quite matching up. So we had

789
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 6: to redefine that, and it was fine. Actually, you know,

790
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 6: we were all in different places. Like I said, I

791
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 6: was remarried. Our kids that between Laura and Mark and

792
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 6: I and my ex wife had were grown enough they

793
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 6: were either teenagers or in going off into college. They

794
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 6: could appreciate riding around on a tour bus. Darius was,

795
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 6: you know, umptyen hits into his country career. Dean was

796
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 6: getting a new hip. Mark was in a great place too,

797
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 6: putting out solo music and really eager to get back

798
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 6: onto our hoody stage. So we just had to sort

799
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 6: of re understand what life in twenty nineteen was supposed

800
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 6: to look like, and we did. I think we did

801
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 6: real successfully. We saw numbers that, oh my gosh, we

802
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 6: hadn't done since ninety five. We twentyy twenty two. We

803
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 6: got to Chicago, my hometown, twenty four thousand people, and

804
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 6: believe me, at the beginning of that too, you could

805
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 6: have convinced a hoodie or a blowfish that we would

806
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 6: have a giant reception like that. We again lacked the

807
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 6: confidence that there was a real fan base still viable

808
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 6: out there.

809
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I was amazed because Darius even

810
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: said that to me one time, He's like, I'm a

811
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: little nervous or not sure about the reception, and I

812
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: was like, anybody I said that to was like, are

813
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 2: they kidding? I mean, they're going to be huge wherever

814
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: they go, And sure enough, you guys were. But but yeah,

815
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: you have tied that theme of kind of the insecurity

816
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: together and you know, but boy, you know, you guys

817
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: had no problem, like they said, filling it and I knew.

818
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: I think so many people knew it was going to

819
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: be hit except for the four of you.

820
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 6: Right, we're the last to know. And we're thankful we

821
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 6: got to do it, and you know, probably hope to

822
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 6: do it again. We'll just wait and see how the

823
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 6: timing of all of our lives, and thank goodness, COVID

824
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 6: is looking like it's in the rear view. But you

825
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 6: know that pandemic crushed a bunch of reunion tours. Yeah,

826
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 6: bands that were out for their thirtieth reunion tour that

827
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 6: they'd planned for years.

828
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 4: And it's like, ah, right, Jim, with that kind of success,

829
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 4: the success that you guys had, with that success comes temptation.

830
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 4: And I think this is probably the biggest lesson that

831
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 4: readers of the book listeners of this interview, fans of

832
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: years can learn from you that temptation.

833
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: You caved into some of that temptation. Can you talk

834
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: about that a little bit?

835
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I'd probably started falling into it when we were

836
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 6: on the upswing and really enjoying seeing the country and

837
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 6: the world and just every bit of you know, outpouring

838
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 6: from the fans, and the financial side of it too.

839
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 6: It's great. But it was the downside where I started

840
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 6: struggling with God, is this over? And if it is over,

841
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 6: it doesn't feel good? And how am I going to

842
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 6: deal with that? And I went back to something I

843
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 6: learned earlier but didn't know it, which was alcohol. Drugs

844
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 6: always maybe feel better, you know, for maybe a normal

845
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 6: person that's working your butt off and at the end

846
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 6: of the week you pop a few beers and you

847
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 6: have an ability to put it down when you're you know,

848
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 6: two or three or four, whatever your number is in.

849
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 6: But I had this opposite thing that was happening. I

850
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 6: once I would start, I couldn't turn it off, and

851
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 6: so it ended up and it was a way way

852
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 6: for me to deal with the reality that our careers

853
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 6: were going in a direction that we couldn't control, and

854
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 6: I wasn't very comfortable with. So I spent from two

855
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 6: thousand and one to the end of four just in

856
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 6: a bad place, chasing like to feel better through alcohol,

857
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 6: but nothing in our career was feeling better at all.

858
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 6: I'd started a family, I had two little kids. My

859
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 6: bandmates were worried about me because I kept doing dumb things.

860
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 6: I didn't really even need the alcohol to prove that

861
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 6: I was doing dumb things. If you drink too much,

862
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 6: you do dumb things anyway, so that wasn't exactly surprising.

863
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 6: But I would continue to do it and then jump

864
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 6: right back in to prove that I didn't have a problem.

865
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 6: So I got in this cycle that was just inescapable,

866
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 6: and I stated it until I get basically sick and

867
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 6: tired of it, and they were probably about to throw

868
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 6: me away anyway, So I escaped being kicked out of

869
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 6: my band or my house, which was really lucky, and

870
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 6: I found some help. That was like the end of

871
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 6: two thousand and four.

872
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: Wow, that's I mean, that's got I'm sure, like we

873
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: probably know that story is not alone, especially anywhere in

874
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 2: the world, but in that business for sure. So I mean,

875
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: from start to finish of that how many how many

876
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: years was that to wh you were fully out of

877
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: it and into the recovery mode and where you wanted

878
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: to be.

879
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 6: I liked the very first time I reached out to

880
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 6: ask somebody for help and they took me to a

881
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 6: group of people who were practicing how to be sober

882
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 6: with their method. I loved it. I mean, I thought,

883
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, I'm so thankful, there's actually a solution

884
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 6: they're talking about here, know, a solution. The only solution

885
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 6: I had was if I drink again, I feel better

886
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 6: for a little while, until it goes bad or I

887
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 6: black out, or I do something stupid, shame guilt, drink again,

888
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 6: same cycle. So I was thrilled to have an answer,

889
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 6: and it actually did come kind of quick, the idea

890
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 6: that I can do this without drugs or alcohol. I

891
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 6: accepted the idea pretty pretty readily, I guess, and they

892
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 6: were thankful to have me out of a really dark place,

893
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 6: and it sort of altered. You know, it's tough. It's

894
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 6: one thing I'll say that is a little bit in

895
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 6: the book is that when you have four guys that

896
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 6: are bonding through their twenties and thirties and see the

897
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 6: world together and live their dreams out and one of

898
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 6: them pulls up like I did and says, I can't

899
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 6: party anymore, which means it's going to be difficult for

900
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 6: me to hang out and do the things that we've

901
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 6: grown to know to love with each other. It's tough

902
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 6: on the team and it did come sort of a

903
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 6: wrench that was difficult going forward to accept. And so

904
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 6: we had some years where I felt a little left out,

905
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 6: but I needed to be. They were graceful enough to

906
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 6: not like peer pressure me, which if you're you've been

907
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 6: on a sports team before, you know, peer pressure is

908
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 6: just trash talking, you know. And so they didn't do

909
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 6: that to me, which was really awesome. I'm so thankful

910
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 6: to this day. But it changed, it altered our sort

911
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 6: of path a little bit because I had gone down lame.

912
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: Jeh did write writing this book helped. I imagine writing

913
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 4: this book help, like just putting it on paper had

914
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 4: to help you, right.

915
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 6: It helped me. I don't know if it's going to

916
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 6: help anybody else.

917
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it does. I mean if it helps one person,

918
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 3: then you know, job will Yeah.

919
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 6: No. The path in the book where you realize as

920
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 6: a reader that I've had a big struggle that I'm

921
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 6: you know, heading towards a certain death or imprisonment or

922
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 6: getting kicked out of the band. Uh when you get there.

923
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 6: It's an important thing for readers, and I think there

924
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 6: are a lot of readers that will realize, oh, there's

925
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 6: an answer, there's a way to sort of find you.

926
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 6: It's never too late. It's never if you need help

927
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 6: in you're eighteen, it's never too early either. You can

928
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 6: ask an anytime. I didn't want to need help. I

929
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 6: didn't want to need anybody else. I didn't want to

930
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 6: say I'm sick. But I had one guy in my

931
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 6: life at the time who'd give me his phone numbers,

932
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 6: who had found a new way, and he gave it

933
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 6: to me. And I'm so thankful for that guy. So

934
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 6: if I'm that guy for somebody else who's listening or

935
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 6: reading the book to say, yeah, you can have some

936
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 6: screwed up thinking and you can be addicted to something

937
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 6: and find your way out, then yeah, amen, I'll be

938
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 6: that guy as many times as I can.

939
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 4: Swimming with a Blowfish, Hoody Healing and One hell of

940
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: a Ride comes out June twenty eighth, Jim Somfeld the

941
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 4: drummer for Hoody and a blowfish kind enough to spend

942
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 4: some time with me and Mike here and Billy on stupidity.

943
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: I have my top five drummers of all time. I'll

944
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: let you go on this note, all right, I all

945
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: I want.

946
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: If you want your you know, if you want to

947
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 4: run by your top five soccer players of all time,

948
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 4: feel free time top goals of all time, whenever you want.

949
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 4: But I have top five drummers of all time. Billy,

950
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 4: why are you thinking of faith?

951
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 3: So's that I'm trying.

952
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out if you have Jim at

953
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 5: number one or if you left him off your list.

954
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be honest, knowing how you work. I'm trying

955
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 5: to figure out how you're playing.

956
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 4: I left Sony off the list, not because I don't

957
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 4: think he's a great drummer. I want his opinion on

958
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 4: the other five, like of course he knows, he knows

959
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 4: and thinks he's a great drummer.

960
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 3: All right, I didn't have you in my top five.

961
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 3: You're oli you're number six.

962
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 4: Okay, Mike's like Mike's daughter's wedding you on the cut line. Okay, Wait,

963
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: do you consider yourself a top five drummer of all time.

964
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 6: I don't consider myself top five of anything of all time.

965
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 6: I don't even think I get paid to do all.

966
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 4: Right, here we go Number five for me, okay, underrated

967
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 4: drummer here, Phil Collins.

968
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, good, we're off to a good start.

969
00:47:54,239 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 4: Number four, Keith Moon, you seem a little overrated day.

970
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 6: If you include the whole picture a drummer, his style,

971
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 6: his personality, his influence on music after he makes it.

972
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 6: He's in there, Okay, not personally for his skill, but

973
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 6: for all those things because he influenced people. And part

974
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 6: of that was insane, crazy, made up nonsense behind the

975
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 6: drum kit. But it actually worked.

976
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 4: It worked out right exactly, It makes sense. Number three

977
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 4: I think this would be in everyone's top five.

978
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 3: John Bonham oh Man, yeah, yeah, right, okay, good doubt.

979
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 4: Number two is two guys because the band had two drummers.

980
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: Now you're going to be upset. Yeah, no, it had

981
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 4: two drummers. Bill Krutzman, Mickey Hart grateful dead.

982
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank You're a dead fan, right?

983
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: Oh god? Yeah, Stu is a sick, sick fan. There.

984
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 6: Yes, the problem with my first two years of college

985
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 6: is I came a grateful dead fan.

986
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: That was the problem with all five years of college

987
00:48:59,560 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: for me.

988
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 4: I said, fine, that's right, Well how many shows, Jim oh,

989
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: now I found no.

990
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 6: Dead right, not important how many shows?

991
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: It's good.

992
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 6: It was the partying aspect that I saw myself as

993
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 6: a king.

994
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: In so okay good uh And then number one, I think,

995
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 4: to me, this is unanimous.

996
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: I don't know.

997
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 4: I'm just such a big fan of his Neil Perk

998
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 4: Neil Pertje's.

999
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 6: I mean, I, in principle, I'm against top anything list

1000
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 6: when it comes to an art form called rock and roll.

1001
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 6: But I'll participate in this knowing that I'm six okay,

1002
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 6: Neil Pert tops, and not just for his drumming. Yeah,

1003
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 6: he's on the top drumming, But that man influenced me

1004
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 6: more lyrically, and many maybe any other lyricists that I've

1005
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 6: ever read as well, because he wrote most of the

1006
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 6: band's lyrics in their popular phase and even the later years.

1007
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 6: But these these are all like Neil Pert rumber that

1008
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 6: highly influenced me. But I cannot do anything like he does.

1009
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: No one can, Jim.

1010
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 6: On the other guys, I can pull off some who

1011
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 6: and some dead and some Zeppelin and Phil Collins. But

1012
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 6: I tell you, Neil Port's on his own plane.

1013
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 4: If you if you were to kick anyone out, it'd

1014
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 4: probably be Billy and Mickey and listen.

1015
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: I'm not even certainly were good. I was just on

1016
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 3: a lot of LSD. It felt good, it sounded good.

1017
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: Can we go one older jazz drummer and go, Buddy

1018
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: rich Now.

1019
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 6: You're hitting home?

1020
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: He was.

1021
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, before I was exposed to other drummers, I knew

1022
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 6: he was one of the greatest drummers ever because my

1023
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 6: dad told me so and let me stay up late

1024
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 6: one day when I was like ten and watch the

1025
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 6: Johnny Carson Show because Buddy Riches.

1026
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, just fantastic. So I have I have one

1027
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: more to ask you. Just I like asking this to

1028
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: any of you when you're playing in front of a

1029
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: crowd and just the feeling that you yet when you

1030
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: start playing a song and the freaking entire crowd sings

1031
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: it with you. I mean, I just I get goosebumps

1032
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: when I hear it happen for entertainers, So how it

1033
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: must feel for you guys.

1034
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, the first time in front of a big crowd

1035
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 6: in ninety four, ninety five. When we heard the chorus

1036
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 6: for hold my Hand, it scared the hell out of me.

1037
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 6: I mean, I didn't know if I was having some

1038
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 6: oral sort of something was happening in a seizure, like

1039
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 6: why is it so loud? And why is it the

1040
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 6: chorus of this song? Because I'd never heard it at

1041
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 6: that volume before. It Literally I almost stopped drumming to

1042
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 6: see what was wrong. But yeah, it's someone sings your

1043
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 6: three notes in unison saying hold my hand. Whether it's

1044
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 6: in Morris downy. You go to Ireland where you've never

1045
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 6: been before and they're singing it. Yeah, you go to

1046
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 6: the Middle East to play for the troops and they're

1047
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 6: singing it. It's like this just doesn't get any weirder

1048
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 6: and better. That's so cool?

1049
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

1050
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 4: Weirder for me is Jimmy Butler only want to be

1051
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: with you, Mick ultra commercial?

1052
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: Like, y, how the hell did that happen?

1053
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: Jimmy? The idea?

1054
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 6: Uh? Do you believe in karma? Maybe that's the only explanation.

1055
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 6: I don't know how that happens. They call me and

1056
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 6: I say yes really quick, and.

1057
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: Wait, how does that conversation got to call you? Say?

1058
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 6: What?

1059
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: Hey? Can we use this song in a Jimmy Butler

1060
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: commercial Mick culture.

1061
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, they give you a brief description to make sure

1062
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 6: it's not used for something ridiculous or unwarranted. But an

1063
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 6: NBA player, Yeah, a beer commercial. There's nothing wrong with that. Cool.

1064
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: We're in much playing all your wants.

1065
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: It isn't odd pairing though, Like, did you know Jimmy

1066
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 4: was a fan or no?

1067
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 6: And I don't even know if he if he is,

1068
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 6: like true, right, set him up. Here's the line you

1069
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 6: got to sing. It's this weird band from the nineties,

1070
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 6: and but it doesn't matter. It's it gives a little

1071
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: bit of credibility something whod he probably no doubt lacked

1072
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 6: a little bit of for being cool. And now you know,

1073
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one, twenty two, you've got an NBA

1074
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 6: star singing your old song. That's just cool.

1075
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 3: That's very cool. Hey.

1076
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 4: Besides Michael, look, we'll get you out of here on this.

1077
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 4: Besides Mike Golic and again the new book coming out

1078
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 4: Swimming with a Blowfish, Hooty Healing and One hell of

1079
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: a Ride June twenty eighth, wherever books are sold. Besides

1080
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 4: Mike Golick, the coolest like for you, Jim the athlete

1081
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 4: you met where you're like, holy shit, man, this guy

1082
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 4: wants to be at my show, watching my concert.

1083
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 3: Was there, Michael Jordan anyone something like that.

1084
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I'll just the athlete that wanted to

1085
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 6: be you know who was always a really big one

1086
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 6: and he was one of the first ones we met,

1087
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 6: and he was just so unabashelorly sincere and humble about it.

1088
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 6: Was Dan Reno.

1089
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: Oh really, I mean he was thrilled to.

1090
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 6: Get in our music video and it was nice of him.

1091
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 6: But even the years that came after that, the guy

1092
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 6: just loved the fact that we were in a band,

1093
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 6: that we loved him as an athlete, and he was

1094
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 6: humble and crazy, he could keep up one of the

1095
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 6: few guys that could actually keep us up with our nonsense,

1096
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 6: really couldn't and he always just carried himself like this

1097
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 6: is pretty cool, and you can tell he appreciated the relationship,

1098
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 6: and yeah, for us, you know, being kids that grew

1099
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 6: up watching him, it was kind of like, Wow, this

1100
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 6: is pretty insane. I've got a lot of soccer buddies

1101
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 6: that I've got to meet through the years that I

1102
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 6: could mention too. But knowing that Dan was at the top.

1103
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 6: It was just like, that's good. That's a guy who's

1104
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 6: learned how to carry himself and appreciate life.

1105
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 5: That's very cool having met Dan. You have one big game, Jim,

1106
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 5: that you need to win. You go Marino or Montana.

1107
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 3: Ah, yes, that's great question.

1108
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 6: I have to go disappoint my friend Dan, who I

1109
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 6: just talked.

1110
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: You should go Brady off the board.

1111
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 6: Well again, there's got to be somebody, some conversation after

1112
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 6: Brady and all these things. Yeah, Montana, because I think

1113
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 6: his ability in the moment, in the big game to

1114
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 6: do the big thing. You just can't deny that sort

1115
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 6: of track record. Obviously he got the chance to be

1116
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 6: there way more often than Dan did. But no, I

1117
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 6: mean you look at his look at his record in

1118
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 6: the big game. He can do it.

1119
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 4: Jim, I'm thinking here, world Cup expert, like you join us,

1120
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 4: we break down the world soccer.

1121
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 3: What do you think do you want to do that

1122
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: little soccer.

1123
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 6: I'm in I've been. I spent my nineties travel around

1124
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 6: Europe and other places chasing the World Cup and secretly

1125
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 6: stalked Alexi Laos and all the other great guys from

1126
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 6: the nineties, and I still do.

1127
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one quick note on the World Cup.

1128
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: How about this lineup around Thanksgiving? Thanksgiving, we have the

1129
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: three NFL Games. Friday, I believe it's USA versus England

1130
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: in a World Cup, and then Saturday is Ohio State Michigan.

1131
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: That's a weekend.

1132
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 6: This portrait, that's a weekend. I just hope that my

1133
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 6: family understands when they can't find me and I'm the

1134
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 6: country in the Middle East it's hosting the World Cup.

1135
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, that's a big weekend. It's insane. I've got

1136
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 6: some I'm in the soccer community enough to know that

1137
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 6: there's a lot of people bitching a moment about how

1138
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 6: in the world a World Cup could take place in

1139
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 6: that time of the year. It's be hot all the

1140
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 6: domestic seasons across Europe and the world, and it's just silly.

1141
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 6: And the guy that sold it to that country in

1142
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 6: a very illegal move is no longer in FIFA, so

1143
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 6: he doesn't give a damn.

1144
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: But are you talking about I didn't want.

1145
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: To mention names, but then a lot of those people

1146
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: in FIFA got rich for some.

1147
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 4: And leave it to Mike to always be thinking about Thanksgiving.

1148
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 4: And let me tell you something like, no one's watching soccer,

1149
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 4: okay everyone?

1150
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: Hell oh no, no, this is on Friday Friday.

1151
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: You're Friday bird, I mean.

1152
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 6: Friday a big It would be a big audience. It

1153
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 6: gets out of shopping on Fridays.

1154
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly right, exactly right.

1155
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: Oh god, Jim, this was wonderful. Thank you.

1156
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 4: Good luck with the book again. Swimming with a blowfish,

1157
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 4: hooty healing, and one hell of a ride, Jim Sony

1158
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 4: Sonfel caught enough to spend some time with his friend

1159
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 4: Michaelick and hopefully two new friends, Me and Billy our

1160
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 4: soccer expert. Come the World Cup over Thanksgiving weekend. We're

1161
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 4: gonna bother you, Jim. We will, Man. Thanks you so

1162
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 4: much for the time. Man, Good luck with the book.

1163
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 4: We appreciate you being so candid with us.

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00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 6: Thank you all.