WEBVTT - Greatest Dressed Athletes with Dave Schilling 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.680 Welcome to the Greatest, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:15.440 All Right, welcome to another episode of the Greatest, hosted 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.240 by myself c J. Toldanno and my wife Megan Gaily. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:23.280 How are you doing good. I'm just I'm in the 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:25.759 midst of deciding if I want to pick a fight 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.639 on Twitter, and so I have a draft saved and 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.760 we'll get into that. Well we don't have, we will. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:35.720 I just feel like we're not able to talk about 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:37.880 anything else. Well, I'm just saying why I was delayed 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:42.239 answering because I was looking trying to I did one 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.280 of those things, I like, fired a tiny shot and 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.080 then I'd like to see what comes back at me. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.360 And then if I'm like, oh, that's fine, then I'll 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.279 really I give a warning. That's how you know you're 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.279 a pro. And you know you have stages of your 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.240 beefs on Twitter. I mean I don't it's not even 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:03.080 a beef. And we're also joined by our very good friend, Um, 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.800 the person who I I love that you're on because 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.120 like me, you're not just a sports guy. You're a 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.000 comedy You're a pop culture and I don't know how 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.360 whenever I talk, I'm like, what do I do for 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:18.000 a living. Who understands this? I go, oh, Dave understands this. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.560 I understand everything, Dave. I got my fingers in everything. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.560 Thank you for having I feel honored to be here. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.880 Was this an episode number seven? I think eight. We 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.600 have a couple, but we you were when we first started. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.520 I was like, we're definitely gonna have Dave on very early. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.880 You have to I set the tone. I set the 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.800 bar high. Thank you, this is great. And yeah, CJ, 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.080 You've had an interesting career. I've had an interesting career 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.320 very much so. I think of you guys, says not 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.480 one and the same, but like paths that sometimes cross. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.920 And anytime I started to anytime I started to be 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.600 less successful, I'm like, I'm getting too close to see 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:01.640 I'm kidding. I'm gonna let me cue you up. First. 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:03.920 Let me give you, people that are listening a little 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.280 bit of background. You've written for the w w E. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.520 We became friends when you were writing for Bleacher Report. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.880 As a journalist, You've written for and worked for The Ringer. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.040 You hosted a wrestling podcast for The Ringer, Right, I did. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.119 It's called The mass Man Show. Okay, and then so yeah, 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.320 I mean and then you've written for TV and what 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.880 else tell us more. I started my journalism career advice 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:27.880 that was I was doing stand up and then I 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.839 started when it was cool. Yeah, it was absolutely. Now 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.480 they've never paid well. I'm fine saying it now that 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.080 they don't pay well. I didn't know if it was 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.600 like a hey Day where like if you got in 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.280 before the TV show they were paying well. But it 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.400 seems like it was always just that Brooklyn building not paid. Yeah, 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.960 it's like, we pay you with cocaine and rings. It's 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.600 a vice on it cool. Yeah, and there's people in 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.080 Brooklyn that are like, great, my parents pay my rent 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.720 and I want cocaine and vice rings exactly. Then I 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.280 went to grant Land, which was to itself r I 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.040 P and but then you were doing stand up during 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.520 all I was like what the hell? And then I 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.480 quit because I was making too much money. Why am 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.880 I gonna go work for free smoke? I was smoking 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:19.720 back then. Oh yeah, you're a sports writer. I think 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.960 a cigarette on you would look intellectual. It does. You've 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.160 always been a well dressed man, is why we've had 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.120 the topic that we picked today. Best dressed athletes are greatest? Sorry, 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:35.920 get the branding right, otherwise you're getting cancel. Listen. It's 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.800 it's in the title the greatest athlete dressers. But you 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.240 you're a dapper guy. You've only had your mind on 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.320 on fashion and it's important to you. Yeah. My mom 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.720 got me a g Q subscription when I was like ten, 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.520 and they're most of the photos of me as a kid. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.920 From like three until I was ten or twelve, I 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.120 was in suits all the time. Oh my god, I 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.640 love even going to school, and not to school every day, 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.120 but like, we have a kindergarten graduation ceremony at my 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.600 private school, and of course I wore a suit and 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.480 I had the Dick Tracy hat. The hat, and there 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.680 was also a watch that Yeah, but it wasn't like 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.039 the actual toy because we weren't rich. It was they 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:21.240 had the watch, but you unscrew the top and then 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.800 it's lip bomb because I always need a lip bomb 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.279 because I got dry lips, like l cool Jay, So 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.680 I've always gotta keep a moist kind of out. Mine 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.000 has a city at the ready, so smart just let 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:39.000 mine get crusty, I can tell. But yeah, sometimes a 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.080 smooch and I'm like, oh, you just want some chopstick, 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.479 and you know I got something you can't find. I 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.000 feel like you don't even want to kiss your white 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:55.000 You're approaching me like this bitch. But her lips are 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.960 going to help mine. It's a mutually beneficial marriage, which 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.440 I like to see. That's great. Now, do you feel like, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.560 since having a son, you really love dressing him? Yes? 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.320 And my ex wife and I have very different opinions 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.600 on how we should dress. She is really big into 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.279 not matching, so she'll wear like as an aesthetic. Yeah, 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.479 like leopard print with like stripes and some like checkered vans, 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.840 and she just dresses ridiculously. That's fine for me. She 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.080 think this is why I didn't work out. Oh God, 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:31.840 Greatest Divorces in one. We have to do a lot 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:36.800 of these episodes come around. We haven't even done like 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.880 real ones. Yeah, like we haven't even done the Greatest 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.280 World series. Like we're tiptoeing around in the fun ones 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.680 before we get in and we want we're kind of 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.040 picking the guests and then going we're kind of reverse 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.560 engineering it, you know, We're like, we're not going to 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.520 have you come on and be like greatest sports movie. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.320 I mean, like you would kill that, but we know 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.919 you major league obviously, yeah, oh yeah, major league anyways, 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.240 But so you had a subscription of g Q when 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.320 you were attended like the way I because I also 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.400 I didn't have subscription, but I was always buying those 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:11.120 celebrity magazines and g Q because I would look at 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.440 the pictures and then see what was in like trench 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.200 coats or whatever, and then I would try and find 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.520 the cheaper version of that, and I would build, you know, 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.440 stuff like that or outfits that way. That was college 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.000 for me. It was like, Okay, I can't afford this, this, this, 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.599 and this, but I can go to Crossroads in the 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.080 Mission in San Francisco and I can get something that 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.640 kind of looks like that. Now I can afford nice stuff. 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.320 Until I buy nice stuff, I kind of buy. Yeah, 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.840 I mean, now I can afford I can afford nice stuff, 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:46.640 so I just buy lots of trash. Yeah is my source? 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.360 Well yeah, I think some people, you know, like I've 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.440 spent thousands of dollars on wrestling, like vintage wrestling apparel, 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.160 like old WWF hats and stuff, So I think that's 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.280 more your vibe. It's like finding vintage and like you know, 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.479 putting together a street where aesthetic through vintage done and 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.880 are do you used to do that? You don't do 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.080 that anymore? No, I still do. I mean I like 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.040 to go from you know, something that's more casual and 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.280 athletisury to you know, like today, I'm wearing a double 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.840 breasted super what's the T shirt of? This is fran 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:24.679 Lee Bowitz writer, Um, and this is women's T shirt 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.280 because the Wing made T shirts for this on the 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.320 Wing and it's like women's sizes only you know what 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.320 I'm gonna try. I have some men I have like 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.280 a clueless shirt that's a men's shirt. Why is this for? 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.920 But I like the way men's shirts fit me because 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:42.560 I like to like tie and make like a little 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.760 CROPTI right, yeah, yeah, see yeah, the men's and women's 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.400 and Nike is actually doing a great job of not 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.240 making stuff and saying this is for this gender or not, 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:56.280 like clearly in a head to toe women's So yeah, 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.240 you're in a you're in a matching out or matching 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:03.400 sets swear roon, which I never would have even ventured 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.080 to think about pre c J. Yeah, there's no way. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.360 What did you say you're addressed as this morning. Um. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.440 I sometimes I say this, I look like a choreographer, 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.680 yeah kind of Um. Hair is too long to be 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.880 a choreotea. Yeah, I would have it in like high pigtails. 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.120 You said that you are addressed as if you were 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:27.560 about to get surgery. Yes, yes, I do. I look 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:32.120 like when because we see housewives on raw. Housewives go 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.960 get surgery a lot or and sometimes it's not cosmetic. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.920 Sometimes it's like dramatic or ib f things. And but 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.960 they always you can't wear makeup or like have your 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.640 hair down, your nails or anything when you go to 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.960 have surgery. So they're always trying to turn a look. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.120 So they'll be in like head to toe leopard jumpsuits 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.880 going in to get a facelift, just because they're like, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.080 I need the people to know that I still went 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.120 in with that ship. It also distracts from the fact 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.800 that you're not wearing makeup and you look as bad 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.240 as you're ever gonna look on televisions. And I had 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.160 like the hood up this morning, sunglasses on. I mean 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.760 I looked like the man from the outsiderer I was 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:15.480 gonna say, you look like dark Man, remember dark the 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.920 hat that Fedora Man. Yeah, every guy in Brooklyn in 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.559 Williamsburg dresses like dark for sure, or like has it's 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.640 either that or like the Peter McAllister beige trench coat 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.920 or like overcoat. I was gonna say the Count of 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.920 Monte Cristo, but sure, Yeah, I really love that. I 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.720 love how CJ dresses like. I think it's so cool 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.559 and fun and when I when my eyes just look 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.520 around l A. It's some of the worst fashion I've 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.000 ever seen in my life. There's a lot of bad 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.520 dressers here, absolutely, and I think this has never been 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:50.000 a better time for men to start caring about how 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.280 they dress. You know, when we were kids, it was 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:59.400 like Abercrombie or American Eagle and that's it. Did you ever? 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.839 Oh yeah, I was told I saw an old high 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.440 school friend over the holidays and she was like, you 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.880 were such a preppy back. I hated you. It was 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:13.720 like it's like it was like Tommy Hill figure Polo. 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.320 I mean we would go to an outlet mall and 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.000 buy our clothes for the year. Yeah. I just was 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.720 wearing Polo dress and it was preppy, but I liked it. Yeah. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.400 I I copped a pair of birken Stocks back in 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.960 high school and that was weird, Like, what do you 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.800 think I mean, that's that's high fashion. I was already 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.199 way ahead of the Bell curve when I was sixteen. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.800 But I think when you say preppy, if you're wearing blazers, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.400 and I was wearing blazers too and reading movie magazines 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.200 at Barnes and Noble, we were like bomb back level preppy, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:48.120 not like just Abercrumpie play. We're talking like classic American preppy, 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:54.160 farmer preppy versus like intellectual East Coast prep, like proper prep. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.600 There's a their drastic difference. I guess, yeah, I was 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.440 Indiana preppy, which they would be like trash, which is yeah, 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.400 I think the same, the same as it was in 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.120 my hometown, which is in Central California, which was far 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:11.280 me and agricultural use, which is near friends now. So 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.559 it was all like, you know, kind of costco Kirkland 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.880 signature polo shirts are. If you were lucky, you go 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.559 to Modesto and you get Abercrombie. Wow, we had an Abercrombie. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.560 Had a friend who worked at Abercrombie, one of my 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:27.160 best friends. God, you got the hook up. I don't 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.360 think I got the hook up because she was everyone 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.880 I knew who worked at Abercrombie, but her was like 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.400 a thief. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah, you still a 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.400 girl who managed one and all she did was steel 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.280 and then like sella. But my friend Abby was like 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.960 by the book she was. She she was a corporate trill. 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.280 You know. You know what now all of us are 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.400 living in Hollywood, right, guys. Yeah, I worked at Hollister. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.959 I also worked at a Hollister for like three months. Yeah, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.480 it's always a short stint. Where did you work there? Yeah? 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.280 It smells like garbage, and I'll tell you my story. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.199 But how how did you fall into a job at all? 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.760 I knew a dude who was a manager. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.280 I went to What happened with me was my buddy. Actually, 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.840 he just like this white farm type kid, and he 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.199 went into He was like, hell, I'm going on a 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.080 group interview. I'm like cool, can I come? And he 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:17.920 was like yeah sure. And I went there trying to 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.200 be like a guy, trying to make everyone laugh, and 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.120 I ended up getting the job out of the people 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:26.480 actually interviewing, because that's what Hollister needs arm well, a 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:33.520 funny Filipino team. Otherwise, just like completely stupid, like Philly 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.080 white guy. I was like, that was like a diversity hire, 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.320 like this Hollister definitely needs some color. But then they 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.400 made me work in the back room and and then 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.560 during my lunch break on my first shift, I never 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.000 came back. It's cool the TV writer's rooms worked the 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.440 same way. Yeah, I never the way I felt then. 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.160 I didn't know I'd be feeling it in a career. 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.319 I thought I was really made for um. Thirty three 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.680 years later, I say this to c J a lot 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.040 because he tries to help me sort of like push 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.440 the envelope with my clothing, and I'm like, yeah, but 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.320 you gotta understand I'm ade like now middle aged white 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:14.280 woman and you are like a man of color. There's 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.320 just different things that you can pull off that. Like 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:18.960 sometimes he'll try and address me and it's like I 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.920 look like a YouTube character. I look like someone making 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.000 fun of someone trying to be young I And I 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:26.960 guess that sort of like leads into the topic do 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.319 you guys feel like you've got like a little bit 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.199 more leeway being like, yeah, I'm a black man, I 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:37.080 got a little more sack people? What do you Rosparo 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:41.680 over here? Good God, what would I say instead of 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.400 you guys, those of you who are of a different 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:49.480 race than I, do you feel like you've got like 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:54.559 a little bit more absolutely answered, you just like letting 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.120 me dig a deep hole. So serious answer to your 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.680 question is yes, absolutely. And this was the point I 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.880 when it's to make about athletes, is it because they 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:09.080 are one in impeccable shape and can wear everything well 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.079 within reason? Because with basketball players they're tall the models 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.880 basically yes. And also when you when you were you 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.240 know of a of a minority ethnic group, or or 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.440 you know, any sort of minority group, you are more 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.600 apt to feel weird. You were more more comfortable feeling weird, 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.200 and you don't feel as much pressure to conform to 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:36.280 certain aesthetic preferences of the main stream. So I don't 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.480 feel quite as bad about dressing in a different way 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:43.720 than some people would who you know are are Caucasian 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:48.320 or or whatever, because I like it. I like to 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:52.200 stand out. I'm happy you're standing out, and I'm I've 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.760 always stood out no matter what, just because of who 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.760 I am. Yeah, when did you realize that that you 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:02.360 were black? It took a while actually because my dad, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.680 my dad was white, so it was. I lived in 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.960 a white world, so it took me a while to 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.400 figure out, Oh, I can get away with certain things, 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.840 or I'm a part of this and and maybe I 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.480 should learn more about Tupac and maybe I should stop 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:21.440 listening to the replacements as much. Uh. Yeah, it took 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.960 a while for me to realize that it was okay 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:25.960 to dress differently because I wanted to fit in. When 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:27.360 you're in high school, you want to fit in. So 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.240 I was That's why people thought I was up prep 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.000 and I was because I was wearing Abercrombie because I 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.560 wanted to fit in. I wanted to play baseball and 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:38.960 be cool and not feel awkward. Did I nail being 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.880 not awkward? Of course? That's what's great, is like inherently 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:48.280 you're still going to have like but you have a 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.080 little fashion sense. Yeah, that's exactly why I want to 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:55.120 undercent like exactly feel that way. You're like, oh, you 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:56.920 try to fit in a little bit, and you're like 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.240 that's boring or that like what is the fun? Even 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.560 if you try, Even if you try, it's never going 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.080 to be enough. And I think that is what a 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.840 lot of people of color experience in this country is 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.480 I'm gonna do my best, and I'm gonna try and 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.560 I'm gonna fit in. I'll be I'll be Barack Obama, 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.960 and I'll do it all the right way. But at 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:17.640 the end of the day, even if I become president 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.040 of the United States of America, I'm still not going 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:21.640 to fit in. It's still going to be mad at 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.200 my tan suit. Yeah, so why that just beat your 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.200 and that's and God bless our athletes are are are 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.440 minority athletes who are a dressing better than they ever 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.200 have in the entire history of sports. Well, okay, so 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.640 let's get into it. Then we'll just start off here 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:44.280 today's episode the Greatest Athlete dressers or the best dressed 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.360 athletes of all time. Um, I feel like this is 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:48.880 the one that is a long time coming. This is 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.920 primary Like whenever people ask me about sports and why 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.680 I love it so much, it's crazy, but it is 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.320 a large part of it is because of, like you said, 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.240 the way these players express themselves off the court, off 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.680 the field, and to me, it's such a big part 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.520 of how I'm even able to follow it. Like you know, 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.240 these guys are superheroes. They play amazing on the field 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.160 or the court, but I'm like, how do I differentiate 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.280 these guys, you know, outside of that? How do I 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.159 continue to follow them in the off season? And in 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.440 fashion has been such a big part of that. So Dave, 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.320 why don't you kick us off here with your your 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.600 first pick. This is tough because on the one hand, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.679 it's fashion in sports have never been more connected than 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.000 they are right now. But on the other hand, you 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.320 don't want the recency bias of like, well, of course, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.280 I'm just gonna pick you know, this famous person who's 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.040 famous now. So I'm gonna go curveball and I'm gonna 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:44.280 say well to Clyde Frasier, Oh yes, who had a 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.920 very downtown or uptown like Harlem kind of aesthetic to 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:53.080 his dress. Lots of lots of suits and big coats, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.640 and he still dresses amazing MSG network when he calls 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:01.680 Nicks games. It was a seventies vibe that was unfettered, 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.439 and he wasn't trying super hard to fit in and 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.400 be corporate. He was gonna be Walt Clyde Fraser back then. 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.440 Was everyone dressing like that or I don't think so. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.119 I think they were in su Yeah, that's what he 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:18.199 was wearing, like plaid since I Russell wasn't like a 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:22.560 snappy dresser and like playing like Brooks brother off the rack. 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.480 There were there were obviously people with style in that period. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.439 Spencer Haywood I think had a little bit of style 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.880 and stuff, but you know, it wasn't to the extreme 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.120 that it is today, So people like Walt Fraser would 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.840 stand out. Yeah, and I love that he's held onto 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.359 that and people when people like see him now like, 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:45.080 oh man, he dresses funny, I don't think so. I 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.480 don't think that that's clownish. I think the clowney thing 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:54.920 is when you're trying to do something to fit into 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.800 the fashion world as opposed to dressing the way that 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.720 is most comfortable for you. It has to look like 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:06.439 it's effortless. There's a guy, God bless him in the 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.960 NBA right now who I just feel like he is 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.920 trying so hard every game and he just bricks every fit. 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:18.720 Kevin love n You see that when you see like 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.480 a string of pictures and it's all Kith and it's like, oh, 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.240 you clearly visited Kith and now you like this. Yeah, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:26.560 And they're like, I'll take all that, or can you 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.080 guys send me your your your lot, your spring collection, 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.679 and it's just like it's no effort none. Yeah, there 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.920 are the dudes who really wake up every day think 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.040 about what their fit is going to be, that go 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.640 out that they they're they're shopping in every town. They're 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.400 talking to the designers, local people, even you know, Lebron 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.720 made a point of getting to know people in that business. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.680 So John Elliott, who does a lot of his stuff, 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:57.760 he and Lebron became friends way before John Elliott was famous. Uh. 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.080 Tom Brown who did the suits for the cat of 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.200 that season when they all wore the same suits in 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.200 the playoffs, that was a relationship that Lebron created with 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.320 Tom Brown to be able to get those done. Kevin 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.600 Love looks like I just I just need a truck 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.439 full of like clean white Air Force ones and some 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:17.560 sweatpants and like a big coat and I'm good And 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:19.879 like that's not enough. Who are you? What are you 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.240 trying to say about yourself? How are you expressing yourself 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.320 through what you're wearing? Of the superstars in the NBA, 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.159 so I guess I'm talking like all Star and above, 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.840 how many of them do you think have personal stylists? 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.040 That's tough you know, I I back when I was 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.240 a Bleacher Report during All Star in l A. I 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.560 was talking to James Harden about this, and James Harden 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.960 picks his own clothes. Yeah, he's not like I need 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.000 somebody to buy this doesn't seem like someone who likes 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.639 a lot of help. In general. He's got it. He 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:56.560 doesn't need an assist here on what he's gonna wear. Um. Yeah, 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.160 I think I think the ones that you could tell 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.119 which ones are like I'm doing this myself, Russ P, 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:09.760 J Tucker, Hardened, Lebron obviously. I think somebody even like 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.080 Jordan Clarkson probably does a lot of his shopping himself. 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:15.800 Swaggy P did a lot of shops maybe well no, 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:20.159 actually I don't know who has some like I almost 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:25.720 think even a stylist aside Lebron probably Couz. Probably a 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.560 lot of them them then have like a personal jeweler 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.400 who they're saying this should be with, so like they're 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:36.359 not doing everything head to toe Like accessories are hard. 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.240 That's like, actually, when if I ever get styled for anything, 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.480 that's I'm like, I can put stuff together, but like 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.280 all of these finishing touches, that's like very very difficul 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.480 accessories are the things that really do matter more than 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.280 than you think. Um, I have a feeling and not 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:53.760 knowing for sure, but I think a lot of these 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.919 people probably have, you know, people coming and saying here's 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:01.119 what this designer's spring summer book is, or this is 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.119 this designers and then they go through it there like 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.720