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Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints. I'm Ryan Graham here

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Speaker 1: with Emily Jhanskamiley.

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Speaker 4: How you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. It's good to have you here.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get right into the biggest news on the

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Speaker 1: economy and in our politics today, which is I think

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Speaker 1: this deal between UPS and the teamsters yes to avert

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Speaker 1: an upcoming strike. But more importantly, I think if we

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Speaker 1: can put up a one here, an extraordinary contract which

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Speaker 1: the teamsters are saying puts thirty billion dollars on the

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Speaker 1: table in gains what they're and they're saying with no

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Speaker 1: concessions at all from the workers, the only concession being

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Speaker 1: we're not going to strike and blow up the economy

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Speaker 1: at this moment, so you.

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Speaker 5: Can see the NA two from David Dayan. He tweeted

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Speaker 5: out the terms of the deal right there. So historic

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Speaker 5: wage increases and as he says, thirty billion dollars on

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Speaker 5: the table, wage concessions are significant.

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Speaker 1: To your point, Yeah, let's run through some of the

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Speaker 1: details here, because the part time fight was huge here.

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Speaker 1: And what I love about labor unions that have real

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Speaker 1: solidarity and real internal organization is that they fight for

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Speaker 1: every tier. Through the eighties and nineties and two thousands,

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Speaker 1: as labor unions were getting weak and badly, the corporations

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Speaker 1: were able to implement these different tiered systems.

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Speaker 4: They'd say, Okay, look.

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Speaker 1: You've been here for ten years, Fine, we're going to

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Speaker 1: take care of you. You're going to keep getting to

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Speaker 4: You're going to get access to the pension, you're going

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Speaker 4: to get the good healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else we hire minimum wage, it's going to struggle

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Speaker 1: and maybe not mini wage, minium wage plus two dollars.

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Speaker 1: And recently there's been a huge pushback against that trend

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Speaker 1: and unions have been winning. And so the full timers

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Speaker 1: here went to the mat and fought for the part timers.

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Speaker 1: So now if you're a part timer, you're starting at

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Speaker 1: twenty one dollars an hour at UPS, whereas if you're

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Speaker 1: a full timer, your average wage is going to be

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Speaker 1: forty nine dollars an hour. Plus they can't force you

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Speaker 1: the kind of safety of the job. Air conditioning will

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Speaker 1: be in all vans. Incredible that that right now they

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Speaker 1: don't have that situation, given that oftentimes you're cruising around

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Speaker 1: one hundred plus degree heat. It's one hundred nineteen degrees

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Speaker 1: like there's no grace for anybody in this world. Now,

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Speaker 1: umably they're not saying anybody out in one hundred and nineteen

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Speaker 1: huge concessions.

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Speaker 4: Here's what I want your take on.

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Speaker 1: I think that the kind of i'll call it the

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Speaker 1: Biden economy, but I think Trump deserves credit to because

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Speaker 1: of the huge influx of Cares Act money and his

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Speaker 1: browbeating of the Fed throughout his presidential term making sure

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Speaker 1: kept pushing unemployment lower and lower and lower. But Biden

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Speaker 1: is now well under four percent unemployment. And the trillions

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Speaker 1: Jason Furman and the other economist warned, was going to

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Speaker 1: give us runaway inflation. It's going to ruin the economy

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Speaker 1: and we need tens of millions of people unemployed for

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Speaker 1: years to fight against this inflation. They were wrong, Sorry,

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Speaker 1: they were wrong about that. And so the UPS workers

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they had all the leverage in the world, an

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Speaker 3: To be ratified.

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Speaker 5: With a deal like this, it's pretty easy to imagine

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Speaker 5: their article, quote, some recent labor negotiations haven't yielded new

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Speaker 5: contracts despite preliminary deals. On Monday, pilots at UPS rival

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Speaker 5: FedEx rejected their tentative labor deals, so they had fifty

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Speaker 3: I don't expect that to happen here, but I do

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Speaker 1: Could anything's possible, Anything's possible, feeling good.

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Speaker 4: They were like thirty dollars, make it forty.

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Speaker 5: And that gets back to the point you were making,

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Speaker 5: three hundred and forty thousand members, and to your point

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Speaker 5: And I think it's absolutely true that you get these

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Speaker 5: You know, why do people when you have low unemployment

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Speaker 5: But for instance, if you're trying to buy a used car,

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Speaker 5: But the unemployment rate is the fundamental thing here because

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Speaker 1: And so I think that that's more of a structural problem.

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Speaker 5: Air conditioning in trucks, right, air conditioning in trucks, and asking.

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Speaker 1: For significant wage increases, which they got. And if you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I.

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Speaker 5: Actually think pointing to the pandemic. I mean, so the

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Speaker 5: Trump economy was good on a lot of different fronts.

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Speaker 5: the scope of time, but actually it was happening over time.

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Speaker 3: And then we're here now and that's happened.

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Speaker 5: You know, there was no That's why UPS for instance,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and last point on this, it also shows that

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Speaker 1: elections matter, and by elections, I mean union elections. After

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Speaker 5: But we should note that Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 7: You'll say to the moderates in your party who say

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Speaker 5: But this is from the New York Post reporting on

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Speaker 5: what Business Insider scooped here. First, Son Hunter Biden's Novice

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Speaker 5: Our artwork has raked in at least one point three

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Speaker 5: from Business Insider. Now, the Washington Free Beacon checked the

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Speaker 5: All of her White House visits occurred after Hunter Biden's

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Speaker 5: Finally, I want to put this up from Sarah Bedford

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Speaker 3: This is B five, okay.

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Speaker 5: So she's also reporting that a very close personal friend

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Speaker 5: I don't know about that at all, but it's obvious

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Speaker 5: that Hunter Biden's problems the more. As Kevin McCarthy said

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Speaker 3: But basically he's saying.

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Speaker 1: I think you would need so much more than this,

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Speaker 4: It's that's it's a.

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian oligarch saying that, saying that Hunter said things. The

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Speaker 1: it's all dirty, it's all messy, it's all scandalous, it's corrupt,

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Speaker 4: Like it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Like the levels of kind of privilege that are wrapped

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Speaker 4: What about Trump?

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Speaker 1: Like you, the party that's supporting Donald Trump for presidents,

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden for his masterpieces.

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Speaker 3: His masterpieces.

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Speaker 5: Well, here's where I think there is a difference in

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Speaker 4: Claim to be clean.

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Speaker 5: He's basically said I alone can fix it. I know

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Speaker 1: He's going to drain the swamp and put it all

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's baked into the Trump cake. And with

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Speaker 4: Business partner of Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: So this is not a kind of Republican ack who's

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Speaker 1: Which then undermines his claims like that's what that's what

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Speaker 4: Well, he's just saying this to get out of right.

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Speaker 5: Although underminds his claims, but gives him some motivation to speak.

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Speaker 5: Well, his father was the Vice President of the United States.

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Speaker 5: He was doing business and using Air Force two to

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Speaker 4: And justice in this world.

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Speaker 5: If Devin Archer testifies and says Joe Biden was telling

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Speaker 5: that there's nothing to see here. When Joe Biden's at

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Speaker 5: Has been out there and so on the political question,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I think the more you can tie

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Speaker 5: it to Joe Biden, the better for Republicans and their

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Speaker 5: goal to oust Joe Biden. I think it is really corrupt.

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Speaker 5: I think we're learning more about Joe Biden's involvement in

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Speaker 5: that corruption. I still don't know that it's it's going

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Speaker 5: to make a whole difference in the election.

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Speaker 1: And that's the other problem with forty five percent of

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Speaker 1: voters being with one party and forty five percent of

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Speaker 1: the other and just being with them in a tribal

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Speaker 1: kind of cultural way, is that in the media and

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Speaker 1: the media and you're immune then to negative things about

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Speaker 1: your side because and you know, herschel Walker and John

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Speaker 1: Fetterman are good examples on alternative sides. Like Republicans looked

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Speaker 1: at herschel Walker's record and we're like, and you could

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Speaker 1: not have listed kind of a person who was You

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Speaker 1: couldn't have a list of characteristics of somebody less qualified

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Speaker 1: and less supportable for County commissioner, let alone the United

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Speaker 1: States Senates. You know, weapons, violence, domestic abuse, like the

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Speaker 1: allegations just across the board and coming from his own campaign,

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Speaker 1: but Republican like, well, he's a Republican, he's going to

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Speaker 1: vote with Republicans.

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Speaker 4: I'm going with him.

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Speaker 1: Fetterman in Pennsylvania, a lot of Democrats had real questions

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Speaker 1: after his stroke over whether it was going to be

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Speaker 1: able to perform the duties. They're like, you know what

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Speaker 1: better than doctor Oz.

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Speaker 4: Don't care?

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Speaker 1: Right, And so that makes kind of that when you

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Speaker 1: have people off into their different camps, it makes journalism

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Speaker 1: and a kind of general accountability just land with much,

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Speaker 1: much less impact.

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Speaker 3: Fetterman is such.

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Speaker 5: A good example because that also created this media bubble.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not saying this doesn't happen in conservative media,

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Speaker 5: but it created this media bubble where nobody it was

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Speaker 5: taboo to talk about what was happening with John Fetterman

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Speaker 5: and potential cognitive impairment because a there was an issue

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Speaker 5: of political correctness, but b this was a binary between

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Speaker 5: doctor Oz and John Fetterman, and the vast majority of

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Speaker 5: people who were covering that race they had an opinion

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Speaker 5: on whether it should be John Vetterman or doctor Oz.

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Speaker 5: And so you end up with like that tribalism seeping

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Speaker 5: into media in a way that's not helpful.

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Speaker 3: And I think that happens all the time. With Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 5: You'll get coverage from the New York Times, You'll get

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Speaker 5: coverage from CNN here and there. It doesn't become a

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Speaker 5: priority in the sort of punditry space, and it doesn't

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Speaker 5: get the treatment in terms of like front pages and

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Speaker 5: breaking news headlines, et cetera, et cetera that Trump Russia got.

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Speaker 5: So it's not a priority because in the binary people

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Speaker 5: have an opinion on what's important and what's not, and

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Speaker 5: it's not great.

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Speaker 1: And also I think the media, I think some of

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Speaker 1: that bias is very real. But I also think that

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Speaker 1: they feel bitten by a lot of these Republican scandal

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Speaker 1: because if you are at the top echelon of CBS

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Speaker 1: News now you remember like Whitewater, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you were born, then this is like the this like

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Speaker 1: fake scandal that they ginned up about Bill and Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton and some some real estate deals or something like

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Speaker 1: this that then they open it up, they end up

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Speaker 1: finding nothing. There's some cattle future weirdness going on that's

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Speaker 1: but ended up that corruption may like at best they

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Speaker 1: at best there's some soft corruption. I mean the Clinton's

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Speaker 1: you know, became I think even less softly corrupt throughout

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Speaker 1: there throughout their lives.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, just.

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Speaker 1: Which then evolves into Monica le Winsky is the only

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Speaker 1: thing can start and get the which started with Whitewater,

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Speaker 1: and then you've got like, uh, you've got Fast and Furious,

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Speaker 1: You've got Cylinder, You've got ben Ghazi, like all of

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Speaker 1: these scandals that the right just kind of doesn't let

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Speaker 1: go of, and the mainstream media just gets bored of eventually,

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Speaker 1: Like I very sorry that four people were killed in Benghazi.

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Speaker 1: Was a huge tragedy. It happened in what was it,

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve. We were talking about that in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Like Hiller, Clinton lied about it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's like what still, it's like four years we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about Benghazi. It's like, you end up

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Speaker 1: losing people that way.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I think there's a I think what you're

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Speaker 5: saying is true about media, because there's it's absolutely accurate

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Speaker 5: that a lot of people on the right will get

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Speaker 5: fixated on certain things down to these like minute details,

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Speaker 5: and it reminds me a lot of how the mainstream

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Speaker 5: press covered Trump Russia for a long time.

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Speaker 1: They end up looking crazy because they're with the with

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Speaker 1: the board Charlie Kelly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, either.

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Speaker 4: Redoing Benghazi or fast and furious or right right.

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Speaker 5: No, I think that's true, and I think it's when

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Speaker 5: you see that coming from the right. A lot of

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Speaker 5: what motivates people on the right to go that deep

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Speaker 5: on these scandals is that they feel like nobody else

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Speaker 5: is paying attention and nobody else cares, And I.

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Speaker 4: Mean it's like eventually they're not wrong.

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Speaker 5: To legitimate things like Benghazi was a great example where

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Speaker 5: I don't like, I think there were serious wrongs on

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Speaker 5: behalf of our government. I think what Susan Rice and

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Speaker 5: Hillary Clinton did in that situation was despicable. But was it,

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Speaker 5: you know, sort of being used for political purposes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely? Who admitted that was it? Kevin McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: It was someone like on TV, Yes it was Kevin

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Speaker 5: McCarthy that it was.

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Speaker 4: It was seen as he was like, look at their numbers.

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Speaker 3: It's a big political win.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, look look at the Clinton's numbers. Because we keep

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Speaker 1: hammering on Benghazi. Yeah, people like it was it was

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Speaker 1: that in the alleged affairs that blew up his first speakership, and.

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Speaker 5: Part of what motivated Republicans to go to the mat

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Speaker 5: on that is they felt like nobody was, like the

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Speaker 5: so called mainstream media wasn't paying it due attention, and

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Speaker 5: so do I think that was a political mistake to

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Speaker 5: think they had a real like winner and to treat

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Speaker 5: it so as like a partisan football.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, last question on this one for you, does he

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Speaker 1: have the votes to impeach Biden? I don't think he does,

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Speaker 1: and I think Democrats would relish putting that on the

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Speaker 1: House floor. And I think there's eighteen Republicans who serve

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Speaker 1: in districts at Biden one. I think they'd love to say,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, I'd vote to impeach Biden.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you in November.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think the Moorishing question right now is what they

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Speaker 5: do with Mayorcus. And I remember when I talked to

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Speaker 5: McCarthy last September, that was what he said. I asked

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Speaker 5: him because Marjorie Taylor Green already had an impeachment bill,

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Speaker 5: and he said, I think you don't start with impeachment.

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Speaker 5: And there's the question of whether he has the votes

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Speaker 5: to impeach Mayorcus I feel like is a good barometer

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Speaker 5: of what would happen should an impeachment and career of

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Speaker 5: Biden come to the table, because you'll see where some

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Speaker 5: establishment Republicans who would be comfortable in peaching Mayorcus but

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Speaker 5: not Biden.

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Speaker 3: What do they do.

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Speaker 5: Do they actually go for Mayorcus if that vote comes,

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Speaker 5: and like they get that sort of ball rolling. I'm

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Speaker 5: curious about that as a sort of gauge to what

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Speaker 5: they would do with the president himself, because I tend

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Speaker 5: to agree with you, I don't think they have the

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Speaker 5: votes too impeach.

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Speaker 1: Biden right now, Well, let's let's talk about this unfolding

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Speaker 1: scandal in Florida. A couple couple of days in now,

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Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth over this new African

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Speaker 1: American history curriculum put up.

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Speaker 4: I think c one here in.

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Speaker 1: Florida that the debate has really centered on on one

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Speaker 1: kind of clarification that is included in this new curriculum,

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Speaker 1: which where they say that some slaves developed skills that

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Speaker 1: they could use later for their quote personal benefit. That

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Speaker 1: has ricocheted around kind of both democratic and Republican pous

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Speaker 1: There's actually a lot more to the curriculum that we're

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Speaker 1: going to get into soon. But if you can put

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Speaker 1: up C two, I think you've got Chris Christie jumping

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Speaker 1: in on this because Ron de Santras's response to this was.

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Speaker 4: The quote was really bad.

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Speaker 6: What was it?

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Speaker 5: I didn't Yeah, I didn't do it, and I'm not

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Speaker 5: involved in it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And the buck stops with some other person. And

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Speaker 1: so Chris Chrissy of course, is gonna eat him up

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Speaker 1: for that, like, look own.

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Speaker 3: It, christs He's gonna eat him up.

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Speaker 4: We got putting fingers on the one hand, and we

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Speaker 4: got Chris Christy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Christy is you know, loves to say he's he's

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Speaker 1: the guy who's gonna, you know, the buck's gonna stop

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Speaker 1: with him.

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Speaker 4: He's he's he's a leader.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna stand up if people close down a bridge

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Speaker 5: on his watch.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna take responsibility.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and it's also it also is an easy

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Speaker 1: hit because then he doesn't then he's not debating the

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Speaker 1: merits of the curriculum. Yeah, he's like the Sanders doesn't

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Speaker 1: force people to debate him on it. Instead they can say,

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Speaker 1: you ran your whole thing on what's wrong with Florida

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Speaker 1: public schools and wocism and how they're teaching about race,

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Speaker 1: and then something comes out that's unpopular and you're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't Maybe we'll find the guy and fire him,

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Speaker 1: like they fired the staffer who like tweeted the like weird.

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Speaker 4: He's a simple thing.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe he'll hunt down and cancel like whatever

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Speaker 1: per administrator does. But then we have the thing that

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Speaker 1: really set it off was Kamala Harris's response, Right, so

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Speaker 1: let's play.

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Speaker 4: Let's play Vice President Harris.

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Speaker 10: They decided middle school students will be taught that enslaves

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Speaker 10: people benefited from slavery. They insult us in an attempt

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Speaker 10: to gaslight us, and we will not stand for it.

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Speaker 11: Join us now, the host of MSNBC's Politics Nation, President

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Speaker 11: of the National Action Network, Reverend Al Sharp, and Rev.

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Speaker 4: Good Morning.

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Speaker 11: I had to dig in and read this because the

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Speaker 11: headline I thought couldn't be true.

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Speaker 3: But here it is.

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Speaker 11: A two hundred and sixteen page document from the Florida

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Speaker 11: State Board of Education. One section that reads, slaves developed

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Speaker 11: skills which in some instances could be applied for their

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Speaker 11: personal benefits.

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Speaker 4: I never thought i'd.

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Speaker 11: See both sides ism of slavery taught in public schools.

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Speaker 12: Well, it is not only insulting, it is humiliating, and

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Speaker 12: it really is dangerous because it will instruct young people

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Speaker 12: if it is allowed to go forward, not only a

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Speaker 12: distorted version of American history, but it robs us from

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Speaker 12: seeing where we are.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have good news for Willie Geist.

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Speaker 5: I don't think the headline is quite perfect on that,

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Speaker 5: but I do want to play in fact. Actually, this

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Speaker 5: is our next sot. This is a clip from one

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Speaker 5: of the men who drafted the curriculum who says it's

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Speaker 5: the controversy has taken what he wrote on this line.

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Speaker 5: This is a two hundred and sixteen page curriculum. He

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Speaker 5: says that it has been taken out of context. He's

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Speaker 5: a black man who was involved in the drafting of

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Speaker 5: the curriculum that was created post stop woke.

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Speaker 3: That's the name of the legislation. It's like all caps.

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Speaker 3: There's some acronym in there. But let's take a listen

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Speaker 3: to what he has to say.

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Speaker 13: There's been there's been a little bit of backlash to

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Speaker 13: do these standards that you know, we're put out and

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Speaker 13: you know, like you said that, you know these these

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Speaker 13: were done in open, open sessions, so the public could

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Speaker 13: you know, listen or watch along.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 13: What would you say to critics who say these standards

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Speaker 13: have set education back?

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Speaker 9: Well, I can't answer critics whom I haven't seen or heard.

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Speaker 9: The only criticism I've encountered so far as a single

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Speaker 9: one that was articulated by the Vice President and which

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Speaker 9: was an error. As I stated my response to the

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Speaker 9: Vice President, it was categorically false. It was never said

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Speaker 9: that slavery was beneficial to Africans. What was said, and

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Speaker 9: anyone who reads this will see this with clarity. It

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Speaker 9: is the case that Africans proved resourceful, resilient, and adaptive,

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Speaker 9: and were able to develop skills and aptitudes which served

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Speaker 9: to their benefit, both while enslaved and after enslavement.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, what do you make of all that?

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Speaker 1: Right, you can't judge it based on just one little

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Speaker 1: kind of snippet taken out of context. But there is

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Speaker 1: some other disturbing stuff in the curriculum that suggests the

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Speaker 1: direction that it was trying to go. And it reminded

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Speaker 1: me of being in a dorm room in college and

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Speaker 1: arguing with people about slavery. And you saw this a

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Speaker 1: lot of those same arguments that you'd hear then kind

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Speaker 1: of gussied up into kind of curriculum language in here,

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Speaker 1: one of them being.

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Speaker 4: That while serfs and.

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Speaker 1: Slaves are kind of really similar, so it's actually, you

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Speaker 1: can't blame the US because like, there's always been surf,

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Speaker 1: there were serfs before we had capitalism of feudalism. Then

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Speaker 1: you'd also hear often, well, actually a lot of the

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Speaker 1: slave traders were Africans, and Africans have had you know,

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Speaker 1: elements of slavery through war fighting culture for hundreds of years.

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Speaker 1: So actually it's more it's you can't blame the United

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Speaker 1: States for that because it's an African thing. And then

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Speaker 1: you'd hear, well, it was a lot worse in the Caribbean.

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Speaker 1: The Caribbean slavery. Boy, with that, let me tell you

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Speaker 1: about how bad that was. And then you'd and then

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Speaker 1: you would hear that, right, some people gain skills and

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Speaker 1: so like, So it all kind of flows into this

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Speaker 1: idea that, yes, slavery was an abomination. However, relatively it's

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Speaker 1: not as bad as you might think, because it's actually

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Speaker 1: they're doing it for thousands of years. It happened, it

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Speaker 1: happened in Africa. It was worse than the Caribbean. And

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Speaker 1: then The question you have to ask is, Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: stipulate that all of those things are true. They mentioned

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Speaker 1: that the word slave comes from slav which so the

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Speaker 1: Slavs were enslaved in like the ninth century.

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Speaker 4: It's like, okay, let's say that's true.

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Speaker 1: What's the point of telling people that, like you, What

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Speaker 1: are you trying to get people to take from that?

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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 1: Why why make an argument that's that slavery was relatively

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Speaker 1: better than you might have thought it was.

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Speaker 4: I just and I think the it's it's to get

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Speaker 4: you to a place.

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Speaker 1: It says that doesn't undermine the kind of American exceptionalism

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Speaker 1: that we're trying to kind of push through through a

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Speaker 1: purely patriotic education. And I think that very quickly then

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Speaker 1: becomes false in a sense that even if it's true

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Speaker 1: on all of the various points, it becomes false overall,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't really.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't really serve the students.

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Speaker 1: And there is also to its credit, the curriculum talks

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Speaker 1: about slave resistance and slave slave rebellions and talks about

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Speaker 1: the slaves who escaped underground railroad and then served in

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Speaker 1: the Union Army, fighting, you know, for not just their

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Speaker 1: own freedom, but for the freedom, for the emancipation of

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Speaker 1: the four million slaves throughout the South, which is which

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Speaker 1: has to be understood, we're trying for like four million

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Speaker 1: enslaved people. Puts it in a category that just is

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Speaker 1: substantially removed from these other things that they try to say, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not as bad as it was over here, right so,

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Speaker 1: uh so that's where that's where I come down this

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Speaker 1: that it's just it is clearly trying to move in

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Speaker 1: any direction that is unnecessary. Now Harris, uh seems have

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Speaker 1: just gone off that one little clip, And it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: We were able to find the place where she's able

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Speaker 1: to make a direct, firm and passionate case. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: it's against slavery, right Like, so we found the line.

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Speaker 5: That was yeah, that was like animated Kamala Harris that

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Speaker 5: ever more thought was going to do so well in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty and you see that so rarely. Now, I

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Speaker 5: thought I had the same reaction.

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Speaker 3: To that clip. What you just made is a really

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Speaker 3: interesting substance of critique. I have seen so little of that.

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Speaker 3: What I have.

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Speaker 5: Seen is this despicable smear by Kamala Harris elevated by

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Speaker 5: the corporate press saying her like one black voice is

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Speaker 5: more important than other black voices, or one black voice

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Speaker 5: is more inherently legitimate than the black voice is defending

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Speaker 5: the crecum that they drafted actual academics, and that would

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Speaker 5: be a much more interesting conversation about why are you

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Speaker 5: trying to sort of put slavery American slavery in this

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Speaker 5: like historical perspective to the point where it seems as

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Speaker 5: though you're trying to absolve I haven't read the full curriculum.

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Speaker 5: I think that's an interesting critique. From what I've heard

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Speaker 5: of the curriculum, it's pretty balanced. To the point you

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Speaker 5: made about even including rebellions in it. I think there's

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Speaker 5: absolutely nothing wrong with the two sentences that were taken

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Speaker 5: dramatically out of context, and we're saying, actually that people

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Speaker 5: who found themselves in these incredibly trying circumstances of their

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Speaker 5: own agency made the best of it in ways that

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Speaker 5: speak to remarkable resilience.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think there's.

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Speaker 5: One factual point, factual problem with that claim. I think

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Speaker 5: your point is interesting, why is this being you know,

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Speaker 5: this is this being tied into a problematic narrative. That's

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Speaker 5: always a worthwhile question, But This has been such a

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Speaker 5: useless conversation because there's just been a debate against the

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Speaker 5: straw man, the straw man of Ronda Santis. It's like,

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Speaker 5: it's basically that don't say gay controversy again. Were there

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Speaker 5: substance of problems in that bill? I actually think there

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Speaker 5: were are there, But are they what anybody is saying

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Speaker 5: they are? No, And it created a completely false caricature

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Speaker 5: of Ronda Santis of Florida Republicans in the press that

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Speaker 5: is still like indelible in the public's imagine imagination today,

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Speaker 5: and that's not helpful to fighting what could be very

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Speaker 5: real problems in the curriculum, to correcting what could be

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Speaker 5: very real problems in the curriculum. When you have the

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Speaker 5: vice president taking this highly publicized trip to Florida to

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Speaker 5: push back on an abject smear, it's not just that

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Speaker 5: she's disagreeing with the substance of the curriculum. It's that

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Speaker 5: she's actually accusing people of despicable racism. And I think

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Speaker 5: that's despicable in and of itself. It's not like we're

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Speaker 5: disagreeing over marginal tax rates. She's accusing black academics and

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Speaker 5: Ronda Santis of facilitating white supremacy essentially, and on what

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 3: Is a lie.

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Speaker 5: And I just I find that completely despicable. I think

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Speaker 5: Chris Christy has an interesting point in his response. I

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Speaker 5: think Rondo Santis His response was weird. I didn't do

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Speaker 5: it and I wasn't involved in it. For Rondo Santis,

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Speaker 5: you would think he would be leaning into it, saying

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Speaker 5: it's a meet the guys. Yeah, he's clearly lost his mojo,

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Speaker 5: I think a little bit. And this gets to C six.

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Speaker 5: We can put that up on the screen. Losing a

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Speaker 5: third of his campaign staff. He's sending out talking points

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Speaker 5: to his key supporters. Yeah, and yeah, we have a

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Speaker 5: You can go to the next element here talking points

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Speaker 5: being sent around where Ryan mentions they actually spelled break

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Speaker 5: wrong breaks. Oh yeah, you can see that in the

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Speaker 5: first bullet point of the second section.

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Speaker 4: They spelled it break. We can go to our laid

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Speaker 4: off the copy editor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they actually very well may have.

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Speaker 5: But you can see in the next one the point

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Speaker 5: about layoffs about a third of his staff. And the

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Speaker 5: next element, if we go to that, just announced another

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Speaker 5: round of layoffs last night, So more than a third

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Speaker 5: of twenty twenty four campaign staff now Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Another thing I think is interesting that.

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Speaker 5: Chris Christy says is he goes on to say, we're

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Speaker 5: arguing about these issues, these smaller issues, when we've got

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Speaker 5: big issues in our country, like runaway inflation that continues

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Speaker 5: to hurt families, like an education system blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: And I actually he's making a point that's half right

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Speaker 5: and half wrong, half right, and that do I think

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Speaker 5: DeSantis has over emphasized the culture war in his campaign, Yes,

828
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Speaker 5: half wrong in that actually some of these culture war issues,

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Speaker 5: like kids are being taught in school, does matter to parents?

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Speaker 3: Ask Glenn Youngkin.

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Speaker 5: These are kitchen table issues in the same way that

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Speaker 5: inflation is a kitchen table issue. Parents really care about

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Speaker 5: what they're paying for in public schools and their kids

834
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Speaker 5: are hearing on a daily basis.

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Speaker 3: You have to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: In the right way, though, and the dasantas like meme

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Speaker 5: campaign has not necessarily.

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Speaker 1: Been the right way right, and DeSantis has pushed his

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Speaker 1: meme campaign way off. If we could put go back

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Speaker 1: to was at C six B here, which is the

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Speaker 1: it's the Ben Jacobs tweet of the Yeah, so if

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Speaker 1: you look right in the middle there says the central

843
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Speaker 1: themes of the.

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Speaker 4: Great America comeback.

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Speaker 1: These are the talking points of the campaign set out

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Speaker 1: to reporters number one, economy, number two, border, number three, China,

847
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Speaker 1: all the way down at number four culture walk ideology

848
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Speaker 1: has infiltrated our schools and our military. We need a

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Speaker 1: leader who is unafraid to restore our nation's society. It

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Speaker 1: looks a little afraid because it's all the way down

851
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Speaker 1: at number four, Like this was kind of number one

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Speaker 1: up until he was doing his reset, which I think

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Speaker 1: doesn't bode well for that point. That like the like,

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Speaker 1: if you can't even win a Republican primary all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: what's what good is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: It's not the best.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it would be a really interesting test case

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Speaker 5: if Trump wasn't in the race, because Trump sort of

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Speaker 5: makes it hard to engauge what the other Republicans are

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Speaker 5: trying out. But the economy bulltpoint has a little culture

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Speaker 5: war in it, which I think is well placed on

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Speaker 5: Ron DeSantis where he talks about corporate elites, the economy

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Speaker 5: of benefiting corporate elites. That's a cultural war messaging on

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Speaker 5: the economy that Republicans never used to sort of connect

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Speaker 5: the dots to in the same way that Democrats do.

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Speaker 5: So I think they're trying to do both at the

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Speaker 5: same time, to walk into gum at the same time.

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Speaker 5: It's not as easy as it looks. And so I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's tough stuff. But this should be Ron de Santis

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Speaker 5: in his element, like he shouldn't give Chris Christine opening

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Speaker 5: to come after him on.

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Speaker 3: This, like this is his this is a gift to him.

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Speaker 5: It's a political gift to him, in the same way

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Speaker 5: that Don Lemon saying women are past their prime or

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Speaker 5: Nicki Haley's pastor prime was a gift to Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 5: Like Ron de Santis should just be like rubbing his

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Speaker 5: hands together, like eagerly trying to figure out how to

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Speaker 5: make the most of this instead of that first response

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Speaker 5: was punting. His campaign has like I think, hit the

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Speaker 5: ground running with us since But that was.

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Speaker 3: Bizarre to me.

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Speaker 1: But I think, right, I think he has a messenger

884
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Speaker 1: problem and a confidence problem. And his confidence problem is

885
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: coming from, you know, just getting rinsed by Trump in

886
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: this primary so far, and so I think he's not

887
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: feeling as confident and willing to stand on some of

888
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: this culture war stuff. And the messenger problem is that

889
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: all right, is it true that some enslaved people were

890
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: blacksmiths and were able to use their skills. We've talked

891
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: about Robert Small's on this show a bunch before. One

892
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: of the greatest American heroes ever. He was an enslaved

893
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: ship pilot in Charleston, South Carolina, who stole his slave

894
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: ship and delivered it to the Union Army and then

895
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Speaker 1: ended up fighting on behalf of the Union Army, ended

896
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Speaker 1: up serving in Congress, worked with Harriet Tubman, he was

897
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: doing guerrilla stuff back in there, like just absolute incredible hero.

898
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: Is it true that learning.

899
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: How to pilot the ship as a slave like enabled

900
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Speaker 1: him to steal that ship?

901
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: Oh?

902
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true, But it gets too close to

903
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: sounding like you're patting the person who taught him how

904
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Speaker 1: to pilot the ship on the head and compare it

905
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: gradually and good, good, good job, you know, good for

906
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: you for teaching these skills to Robert Small's. And it's like, no,

907
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: you owned him as property and we're and we're like

908
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: utterly exploiting and degrading him and his family, and he

909
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: then had the resourcefulness enough to scapes. I think it's

910
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: a messenger problem that DeSantis needed to be more careful

911
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: about like, if you're gonna be making this you're central

912
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: to your campaign and saying that the education is too well,

913
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: people are gonna be looking very closely at what you

914
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: come up with instead. And so I think it you know,

915
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: somebody ought to have seen that and been like, yeah,

916
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: that's not going to come off well, especially when you're

917
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: doing the whole Oh Africans did slavery too thing.

918
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Speaker 5: It's weird because when I looked at that sense, I know,

919
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 5: we have to move on. But when I looked at

920
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 5: the context that it was in, I got completely with it.

921
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 5: Like they were saying in I thought in the context

922
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 5: it was look at how resilient and look at how

923
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 5: like look at how the lot of that in there. Yeah,

924
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 5: to me, it just it was like all about putting

925
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Speaker 5: the agency on people who were under like incredibly difficult circumstances.

926
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Speaker 4: Phrase personal benefit.

927
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Speaker 1: That may be extremely grading to people. How that that's

928
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: a how dare you kind of line whenever you're using

929
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Speaker 1: personal benefit in relation to anything right to do with slavery.

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Speaker 5: Although I also think the media was disingenuous and acting

931
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Speaker 5: as so this was something that like Rondasantus and not

932
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Speaker 5: Black academics.

933
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Speaker 1: Right, if they cared, they could have to do an

934
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Speaker 1: actual segment on what's in there? Yeah, and talk about

935
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: talk about it the way we did.

936
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Speaker 3: Let's move on to X.

937
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 5: You just see the letter X at the bottom of

938
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Speaker 5: your screen if you're watching it.

939
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 4: We're going to fill in the blanket.

940
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, what are we going to talk about? We're going

941
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Speaker 5: to do some algebra today excess of course, as Sager

942
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 5: Cristal talked about yesterday. Now Twitter, it's sort of like

943
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 5: when Facebook changed to meta. You don't quite know when

944
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 5: you've hit the point of critical mass that people know

945
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 5: what you're talking about, so you can actually just start.

946
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Speaker 3: Referring to Facebook asn't matter or Twitter as X.

947
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 5: But this is actually a pretty interesting story because Elon

948
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 5: Musk has basically come out and said X was all

949
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 5: along the goal of buying Twitter. The goal of buying

950
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 5: Twitter was sort of the free speech question was secondary

951
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 5: to what you can do make make Twitter sort of

952
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 5: like webo make it this one stop shop, this huge

953
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 5: financial hub where people are doing social life, they're doing news,

954
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Speaker 5: they're doing.

955
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: Finance, all on X.

956
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 5: This goes back years for Elon Musk. People have been

957
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 5: digging up press quotes and clips of him.

958
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: This is from CNN. We have a stot we want

959
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: to start off.

960
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Speaker 1: And I can say that real musk heads who are

961
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: in my dms have been telling me that like this

962
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: was his goal from the very like people have like

963
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: if you I'm not a muskhead, but the real musk

964
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: heads that have been talking about X for a very

965
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: long time been like, whenever I'd criticized, must be like,

966
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: wait till you see X.

967
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: Let's roll the tape. Like literally, let's roll the tape.

968
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 3: But this is an ATM.

969
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: What we're going to do is transform the traditional banking industry.

970
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 4: I do not fit the picture of a banker.

971
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:18,479
Speaker 12: X dot com.

972
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 6: This is too much.

973
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm raising fifty million dollars as a matter of making

974
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: a series of phone calls.

975
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Speaker 4: And the money is there. I've sunk the great majority.

976
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Speaker 1: Of my networth into X dot com, which is the

977
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: new banking and mutual funds company on the Internet that

978
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: I've started.

979
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 4: Big exactly X dot Com.

980
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: I think X dot com could absolutely be a multi

981
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: billion dollar bonanza.

982
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 5: Okay, so he's twenty eight years old there. That's from

983
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 5: a scene in Perspective's documentary in nineteen ninety nine and

984
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 5: he's already talking about X.

985
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, I think in Musks telling there it's a

986
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 4: little bit backwards.

987
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: He really he's always yes, he's always wanted to do

988
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: this X thing.

989
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 4: He tried to and turn PayPal into X.

990
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: And this is basically what got him pushed out of there,

991
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: right because they're like, do we're PayPal? We're doing We're

992
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: good okay, Like we're sitting here, people are using our

993
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: platform to exchange money and we're taking.

994
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 4: A piece of it.

995
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: We're all going to be multi billionaires, right, Like, well,

996
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: we're going to have multi generational will. Like what we're

997
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: not doing anything right, just putting buckets out and taking

998
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: people's money.

999
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 4: He's like, let's call it X and do why?

1000
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you can see it.

1001
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 4: Just get out of here.

1002
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 5: It's actually kind of interesting because I never thought of

1003
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 5: PayPal as what it became. And you can see that

1004
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 5: PayPal became I think, you know, bigger then, and it

1005
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 5: has potential still to keep getting bigger as crypto grows

1006
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 5: and et cetera. Actually, speaking of crypto, Jack Dorsey Wade

1007
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 5: in this is our next element.

1008
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: We can put it up on the screen.

1009
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 5: Jack Dorsey obviously long time head of Twitter just he tweeted,

1010
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 5: keep calm and just X through it another amusing uh

1011
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 5: sort of subplot in this whole story. We can put

1012
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 5: the next element up on the screen. What you're going

1013
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 5: to be seeing, uh, is the Twitter sign, the famous

1014
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 5: Twitter sign in San Francisco getting taken down by a

1015
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 5: guy in a bucket truck. What actually happened, though, is

1016
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: security and police also stop them from taking down the famous,

1017
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 5: the iconic Twitter sign because there was a miscommunication as

1018
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 5: to whether or not they were supposed to be doing that.

1019
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 5: So while they're taking the Twitter sign down, the bird down,

1020
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Speaker 5: which Elon Musk reportedly hates has always been fixated on

1021
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 5: getting rid of the birds. That was that was actually

1022
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Speaker 5: interrupted And some more interesting stuff in axios from Walter Isaacson,

1023
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: who's apparently has this like huge biography of Musk coming

1024
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 5: out on September twelfth. He says that the X rebranding

1025
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 5: has been in the works for more than nine months,

1026
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 5: right since Musk decided to buy Twitter. Quote he said,

1027
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 5: it can be a trillion dollar company easily. This is

1028
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 5: an idea he thought about for twenty five years. A

1029
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 5: financial platform that helps anyone profit from creating content. He

1030
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 5: feels it can transform journalism by offering an alternative to

1031
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 5: subscription models, where people can make easy payments for whatever

1032
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 5: strikes their fancy. When he first walked in, it was

1033
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 5: like a hard scrabble cowboy walking into a Starbucks.

1034
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: He said, there are too many birds here.

1035
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 5: He pulled all the woke t shirts out of the

1036
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 5: cabinets and scoffed at the notion of psychologically safe workplaces.

1037
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 5: It was like watching a movie on fast forward. I

1038
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 5: could see him getting more and more frustrated with the culture,

1039
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 5: and Musk himself said, we have to replace this with

1040
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 5: a maniacal sense of urgency. We can put the last

1041
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 5: element up on the screen here, which is from Elon

1042
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 5: Musk himself. I think the most interesting point here is

1043
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 5: he says Twitter was acquired by ex Coort both to

1044
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 5: insure freedom of speech and as an accelerant for X,

1045
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 5: the everything app. The Twitter name made sense when it

1046
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 5: was just one hundred and forty character messages going back

1047
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 5: and forth.

1048
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: Like birds tweeting.

1049
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 5: But now you can post almost anything, including several hours

1050
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 5: of video.

1051
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: And then he adds a timeframe.

1052
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 5: He says, in the months to come, we will add

1053
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 5: comprehensive communications and the ability to conduct your entire financial world.

1054
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 5: So we must bid ado to the bird, your entire

1055
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 5: financial world. I always figured this was.

1056
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: Goal because he kept name checking Webo.

1057
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 5: Early on in the Twitter days, which is a Chinese

1058
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: equivalent of Twitter that's more of a hub than Twitter

1059
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 5: is right now. And then he's added subscription on Twitter.

1060
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 5: He's added long, long long form video to Twitter, and

1061
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 5: has been working with big content creators like Tucker Carlson.

1062
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 5: Says he wants to transform journalism. Ryan, what do you

1063
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 5: make of that. I'm sure you have some thoughts on that.

1064
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the number one thing you want in a

1065
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: financial institution is safety and security.

1066
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 4: Right.

1067
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: You want to believe that the money that you have

1068
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: sitting there is going to be sitting there the next

1069
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: time you come. You want to believe that when you

1070
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: press the transfer button and you send it to the

1071
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: person that you're trying to send it to, it gets

1072
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: to them. Yeah, and that you can confirm that all

1073
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: of that happens. That takes an enormous amount of infrastructure, Yeah,

1074
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: and then it takes social confidence in the out in

1075
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: the institution to manage that. It shocks me that Elon

1076
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: Musk would have handled Twitter the last nine months the

1077
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: way he has and then expect us to turn over us,

1078
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: to turn over money to it.

1079
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Speaker 5: And to do something much vaster in scope when you've

1080
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Speaker 5: narrowed the company.

1081
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, okay, you said you're gonna take care

1082
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 4: of the bots. The bots are worse. The scam. There's

1083
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: scams everywhere. You know, Dave Dane is constantly.

1084
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: Getting hacked and selling laptops to people fake laptops. Don't

1085
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: buy laptops from Dave Dane, like, don't, don't do it.

1086
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: And then he's gonna instead of fixing that stuff, he's

1087
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: gonna come and be like, no, no, it's totally fine.

1088
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 6: Now.

1089
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: I think the idea is if he pumps billions more

1090
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: of his own money into it. The idea is an

1091
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: interesting one, like if you can like I mean, and

1092
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: it's not that original.

1093
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 4: It's like PayPal.

1094
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: It's like try to be a place where people move

1095
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: money around and take some of it while they do that.

1096
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: Like that's basically what he wants to do. But he's

1097
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: gonna have to, you know, put up money to make

1098
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: it safe to do that. The reason that it's become

1099
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: less safe is because he pulled so much money out

1100
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: of it because he levered so much debt on top

1101
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Speaker 1: of it shape and when you hear him complain about it,

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00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, we lost fifty percent of our advertisers

1103
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: and it's just so deeply in debt. It's like, well,

1104
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: the advertisers fled from you, bro, and you put the

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00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: debt on it, like literally, like that's that's your debt

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00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: so that you could buy it. So the things that

1107
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: you're complaining about you caused and then that and then

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00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: that made it much more rickety. And is something rickety

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00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that you want to give access

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Speaker 1: to your bank account?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's potentially, Yeah, there's potentially an argument that

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00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 5: we're in the middle of.

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Speaker 3: You know, he can go five years from now.

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Speaker 5: Let's say hypothetically Elon Musk's vision is realized for X

1116
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 5: and we're looking back on now. It looks like his

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00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 5: critics were, you know, nitpicking at something that was in

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00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 5: the process of becoming much bigger and it was in

1119
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 5: the middle of a transformation. But the question right now,

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Speaker 5: I think is whether that transformation looks plausible. And yeah,

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00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 5: I think it's been a really rough go for Twitter.

1122
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 5: It's not that he inherited inherited a perfectly great situation

1123
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 5: that was like all rosy, that is true, but yeah,

1124
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 5: the confidence in creating and building something much bigger in

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00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 5: Twitter when the version of Twitter right now.

1126
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 3: So yesterday I got.

1127
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 5: A notification saying the violation you reported has been reviewed,

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00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 5: and I clicked on it was something like very obvious

1129
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 5: that someone's personal information had been posted to Twitter and

1130
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 5: I reported it a few weeks ago with somebody's address,

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00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 5: and it was like a very obvious thing to take down.

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00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 5: When before musk Hat taken over Twitter, Twitter, to its credit,

1133
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 5: had a much bigger workforce, and it was I still think,

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00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 5: a terrible app, but they would take that down like

1135
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 5: much faster. And that's the basic question of security that

1136
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 5: you're raising. And so if he's if he's trying to

1137
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 5: get new cash influxes by having a bigger vision, that

1138
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 5: allows him to have a better staff, a smarter staff,

1139
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 5: smarter AI whatever that gets stuff.

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00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: Stuff flagged, I guess.

1141
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 5: But you know, he's had Twitter for a while now,

1142
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 5: and I feel like problems like that have only gotten worse,

1143
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 5: which is.

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Speaker 3: A pretty big deal. Man.

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00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, so I had money in my account

1146
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: now it's gone.

1147
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, we'll get back to you in forty five days.

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00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I got bills to pay like now.

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00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 5: And I think all of this is also the bigger

1151
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 5: pictures that, like Twitter is engineered to addict you and

1152
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 5: disrupt your brain in ways that are very harmful, not

1153
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 5: just to discourse but to people's personal and professional lives.

1154
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 5: And I can't cheer anything, no matter how much I

1155
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 5: like for speech, I can't really cheer anything that ignores

1156
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 5: that much deeper problem in Twitter and tries to add

1157
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 5: our banking to a platform that is made like a

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00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 5: slot machine.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't feel good.

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Speaker 1: If this results, though, in hater's money flowing into my

1161
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: account because they're engaging with me and trashing me, all right,

1162
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: that'd be funny.

1163
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 3: Have you tried the subscription yet?

1164
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 5: I see what he's saying about how it could transform journalism,

1165
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 5: and I get why he was upset about Substack rolling

1166
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 5: out the notes feature, because it does look a lot

1167
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 5: like Twitter, and Subsack is sort of doing the journalism

1168
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 5: thing that I think he wants to do on Twitter.

1169
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Speaker 4: So did you do the subscription?

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00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 3: No? Yeah, I just really don't like Twitter. It doesn't

1171
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Speaker 3: matter who's in chargement.

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Speaker 1: My tweets are still free for y'all, whether he wants

1173
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Speaker 1: you to call them sheets.

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Speaker 4: Did you see this?

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00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 9: No?

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00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? Literally?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well wow, moving on. Stephen A.

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Speaker 5: Smith has weighed in on the Jason al Dean controversy.

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Speaker 3: Let's start.

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Speaker 5: This is from Steven Asmith's podcast on Monday Steven Asmith Show.

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Speaker 5: He weighed in on the try That in a Small

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Speaker 5: Town controversy, which by the way, has risen to I

1183
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Speaker 5: think number two on the Billboard Hot one hundred in

1184
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 5: the wake of that song was released in May. The

1185
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 5: video came out, and then the controversy bubbles to the

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Speaker 5: surface and the song started taking effect.

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00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 3: Yes, total strikes in effect.

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Speaker 5: Al Dean is on tour right now too, so I

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Speaker 5: think that probably hasn't hurt. But there's a very clear yes,

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Speaker 5: that's why he's coming to merry other post I think

1191
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 5: this week. Even so, it's the thing happened really quick.

1192
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 5: The ball started rolling down the hill when the controversy

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Speaker 5: bubble to the surface.

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Speaker 3: So Stephen A. Smith weighed in and here's what he

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Speaker 3: had to say.

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Speaker 6: Are you ready for this show?

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Speaker 8: I find nothing racist about those lyrics. Surprised you did

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00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 8: not nothing racist about those lyrics. Only when the video

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Speaker 8: gets attached to it, do you see what he's trying

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Speaker 8: to say. See, I ain't no damn hypocrite. I see

1201
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 8: the lyrics that are spewed in other genres, whether it's.

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Speaker 6: Rock and roll, hip hop, or whatever the case may be, if.

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Speaker 7: We don't say anything about them, we shouldn't be saying

1204
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 7: anything about Jason Oldeede's lyrics. The problem is a the

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Speaker 7: whole Trump supported thing, him showing up allegedly to some

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00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 7: party in blackface, trying to look like Lil Wayne. There's

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Speaker 7: racial undertones showing Black Lives Matter protests as opposed to

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Speaker 7: protests at other places.

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Speaker 4: I didn't see the insurrection on.

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Speaker 7: January six, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 6: In that video.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see it.

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Speaker 8: What does that have to do with Ron DeSantis. It's simple,

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00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 8: it's a race war taking place in our country.

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Speaker 5: So he had previously said some nice things about Ron

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Speaker 5: de Santis, and I think that's where this was especially

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 5: interesting to people, because, yeah, he had previously said basically

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00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 5: he was interested in DeSantis, he didn't want Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: To get the nomination, and that's where.

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Speaker 5: DeSantis comes into play, and his interest in Dessantis comes

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Speaker 5: into play. Coleman hughes in Barry Weiss's publication The Free Press.

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Speaker 5: He wrote an essay using lyrics from and Coleman is

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Speaker 5: a rapper himself, lyrics from twenty one Savage and comparing

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Speaker 5: it to like lyrics from Little Baby. I am not

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Speaker 5: going to do the Benchapia thing where I read rap lyrics.

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Speaker 3: You got to learn from other people's.

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Speaker 4: Mistakes, but right, we had other mistakes in that clip.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so a few people more entertaining than stephen A.

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Speaker 4: Smith.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of his take here?

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Speaker 1: I love stephen A. So he's so good at what

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Speaker 1: he does, one of the best out there. I think

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Speaker 1: that he makes a really fair point that you have

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Speaker 1: to understand in the context that it's presented. And it

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Speaker 1: is a choice that if you're trying to talk about

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Speaker 1: just general unrest and problems that you've got in the community,

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Speaker 1: but you're not going to have them in a small town,

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of choices that you can make

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01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to footage. And if you choose Black

1240
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: Lives Matter protests rather than January sixth protests, then okay,

1241
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: that's a choice you made, and that's the context are setting.

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Speaker 3: He did show white people protesting, and like a lot of.

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Speaker 1: The Black Lives Matter protesters were white people.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, when I was covering those protests, watched

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Speaker 5: like a white liberal woman scream in the face of

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01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 5: a working class black cop for hours on end, basically

1247
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 5: in the middle of a day on like a Tuesday

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Speaker 5: in the summer of twenty twenty, calling her despicable names.

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Speaker 3: And so I mean, like it saying, I get what

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01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 3: he's saying.

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01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 5: So what he's saying is interesting because the conversation we

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Speaker 5: had last week about how actually a lot of small towns,

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Speaker 5: a lot of people usaw on January six, have been

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01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 5: hit with economic circumstances. People in their situations used to

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Speaker 5: look at, you know, urban areas and minorities Black Americans

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01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 5: and have this like smug sense of superiority to people

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01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 5: who were rioting protesting like riots, and then things hit

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01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 5: their small towns and their small towns aren't so great anymore.

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Speaker 3: You know that these places have actually been.

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01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 5: Ravaged and there are serious problems with crime and drugs

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Speaker 5: in those small towns.

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Speaker 3: So al Dean's.

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Speaker 5: Narrative, they try that in a small town isn't so clean.

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Speaker 5: There are is, like again, like where I grew up,

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01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 5: that's a small town that's still thriving.

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Speaker 3: But that's not everywhere, and it's certainly.

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Speaker 5: Not a lot of the places where al Dean is

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Speaker 5: maybe talking about, where they're Trump supporters like him who

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Speaker 5: have faced like people on January sixth, for instance, that

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Speaker 5: we have like actually dealt with. It's not to excuse

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Speaker 5: anything whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: It was horrible on every.

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01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 5: Level, but people were motivated by economic disenfranchisement, there's no

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01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 5: question about it. And that has created crime, and that

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01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 5: has created less cohesive small town communities, and so I

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01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 5: think that's the real problem with this narrative. I still

1277
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 5: don't think that it's racism.

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01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: I get what Stephen A.

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Speaker 5: Smith is saying, but a lot of people died in

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Speaker 5: those riots, a lot of people, a lot of Black Americans,

1281
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 5: have been victimized by the crime surge in the last

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Speaker 5: couple of years. So I still don't see the racist

1283
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 5: question being answered me.

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Speaker 1: The title try that in a small town is extraordinarily

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01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: clear allusion to vigilante justice, and in this country, vigilante

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01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: justice almost exclusively has meant mob lynch mobs like that.

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Speaker 1: The two things are very much linked, and he his

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01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: unfortunate choice to, uh, you know, film it outside of

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Speaker 1: a courthouse where black men have been lynched, only furthered

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Speaker 1: that now I think they're probably just dumb and just

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Speaker 1: didn't know that.

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01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, Coleman, he was pointing out there was like a

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Speaker 5: Hannah Montana music video filmed at that same courthouse.

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Speaker 1: Sure, but it was that's the Sun about vigilant Hannah

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01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: Montana wasn't singing about vigilante justice.

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Speaker 5: The sad really is that there are a lot of

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Speaker 5: places in this country where there's a history of lynch

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Speaker 5: in the South, Yes, and so I think it's extraordinary

1299
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Speaker 5: likely that was Quincton's.

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Speaker 4: It is a sad reality.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time he is talking about it

1302
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Speaker 1: with some nostalgia or talking about the idea of or

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Speaker 1: you could see why people would think, why Stephen Aide

1304
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: would think combined with Black Lives Matter footage that you're

1305
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Speaker 1: making a nod to that.

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Speaker 5: I think you had an interesting point last week where

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Speaker 5: you're talking about how that used to be in cities too,

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01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 5: Like people used to take pride and taking care of

1309
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Speaker 5: their own in their cities, and like it doesn't still

1310
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 5: a lot of cities, now, yeah, totally in certain neighborhoods.

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Speaker 3: And again, I think that's another thing people miss.

1312
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 4: Is that you can have Mayberry inside a big city.

1313
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: Right. There are pockets. Although Muriel Bowser actually just this.

1314
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Speaker 5: Week said this isn't Mayberry and like basically blamed valets

1315
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 5: for losing people's keys that were stolen in DC.

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Speaker 3: Did you not see that?

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Speaker 5: No, don't, don't valet your car downtown there were a

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Speaker 5: bunch of keys stolen a Valet Kiosks, and Mariel Bowser

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01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 5: came out and was like, this is any Mary, This

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Speaker 5: is not.

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Speaker 1: On us, basically, but yeah, fanned your keys to random people.

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Speaker 5: There are pockets of big cities or pockets of the

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Speaker 5: country that really still are great, and people do take

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Speaker 5: pride in taking care of their own. And I think

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Speaker 5: that's the vigilante justice thing. Is interesting because I still

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Speaker 5: see this as taking pride in your small town, taking

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Speaker 5: care of other people and taking care of your neighbors,

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Speaker 5: even though I don't think that's the reality.

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Speaker 3: And a whole lot of small.

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Speaker 5: Towns, especially where it used to be, because people had

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Speaker 5: jobs and families and in tact marriages and mental health,

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Speaker 5: et cetera that has been like plundered. I get that,

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Speaker 5: but I still, I mean, I just don't see that

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Speaker 5: as being necessarily racist, because there's truth in that in

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01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 5: different like that still exists whether you're in a city

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Speaker 5: or a town. And I guess it's true that Jason

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01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 5: Elden was probably talking about like rural America. He probably

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 5: didn't have like big he's in mind. But when Stephen

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01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 5: Nasmith says the lyrics are not racially motivated, I mean

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Speaker 5: he's saying because there's not January sixth protest video, even

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01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 5: though there are videos of white protesters acting out in

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01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 5: the video.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I still struggle to see.

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Speaker 1: How that's racist to put him in his full contact.

1345
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: At the end, he says it's a race war, but

1346
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Speaker 1: it's not started by black people.

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Speaker 4: Like he's making the point.

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Speaker 1: That that the aggressors in it, the ones that are

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Speaker 1: instigating it are people like Alt Dean who are making

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Speaker 1: a big deal of the like they're the ones, like

1351
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: they're the ones that are kicking it off. Because I

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01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: just realized we cut that video off right before he

1353
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: said that.

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Speaker 5: And that's actually an interesting point, Like why does it

1355
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 5: matter to jasonal Dean who doesn't live in a big city,

1356
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 5: like why is the focus of a song? I mean,

1357
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 5: I think people have good reasons for that. But I

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01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 5: guess the other thing I should say is that this

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01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 5: does I do think it's true that people, especially white Americans,

1360
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 5: sometimes stumble into things they should know better that are

1361
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 5: like racially insensitive, that for good reasons, are interpreted as

1362
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 5: having racial under or overtones to people, especially to their

1363
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 5: black neighbors, in a way that they don't intend, or

1364
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 5: maybe they subconsciously intend and they don't realize that. But

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Speaker 5: I think that that's actually a fairly good point that

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Speaker 5: Stephen Asmith is making when it's like where is the

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Speaker 5: January six footage?

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Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's any like racial animus behind what

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Speaker 5: Jason Elden did. I don't think his label would be

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Speaker 5: dumb enough to deal with that. I don't think he

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01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 5: would be dumb enough to intentionally do that. But I

1373
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 5: do think there's absolutely still the case that people stumble

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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 5: into things that are interpreted, for a good reason because

1375
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 5: of the country's history, as racism when it's not intended

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Speaker 5: to be.

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Speaker 1: You also wouldn't carry off in an insurrection in a

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Speaker 1: small town because the Congress isn't there.

1379
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Speaker 4: That's true. You would do it in Harper's fairy there.

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Speaker 5: That's a good point, all right, Ryan, And what is

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Speaker 5: your point today?

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Speaker 1: So by the time we get to the presidential election

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Speaker 1: of twenty thirty six, that's just four quick cycles from

1384
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: now three if you don't count this one, gen z

1385
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: will make up a full thirty five percent of the

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Speaker 1: electorate in every election between now and then. Their numbers

1387
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: are going to grow, and the number of boomers making

1388
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: it out to the polls will get smaller and smaller.

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Speaker 1: And one of the most common misconceptions in American politics

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Speaker 1: is that young people are always liberal. And part of

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01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: that misconception is the boomer's fault, because the kids in

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01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: the sixties who were actually leftists were so loud about it,

1393
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: with their tight eyes and their huge marches and their

1394
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,759
Speaker 1: campus citizens that you couldn't miss it. Yet, in nineteen

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01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: seventy two, the first year eighteen year olds were allowed

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Speaker 1: to vote, Nixon actually.

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Speaker 4: Won voters under thirty two.

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Speaker 1: If that pattern had held in twenty twenty, Trump would

1399
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: have been re elected in a landslide instead. Historic youth

1400
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: turnout gave Democrats the House in twenty eighteen, put Biden

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01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: over the top in twenty two twenty, and in twenty

1402
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: twenty two, the kids saved Democrats from a red wave.

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: In Michigan, youth voter turnout was the highest in the country,

1404
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: which is bad news for Republicans because that election was

1405
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: fought heavily along culture lines, with abortion on the ballot

1406
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: and fights over schools and trans writes dominating headlines.

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Speaker 4: The Republican response.

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01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: To this generational shift has been truly confounding, which is

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01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: why I'm glad we have Emily here to help explain

1410
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: one on earth they're thinking. But first, let's take a

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01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: look at a few numbers from the Harvard youth.

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Speaker 4: Poll that are just out.

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Speaker 1: They were plucked out by Greg's sargeant over at the

1414
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: Washington Post. He zeros in on what one polster calls

1415
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: the Big four, and those are gun laws, action on climate,

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01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: same sex relationships, and the question of whether quote food

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01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: and shelter are a right unquote. Now, back when I

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01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: was a youngster, all four of these issues were underwater

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01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: for the left. Now, looking at the chart, you can

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Speaker 1: see a few obvious things happened, the most obvious of

1421
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: which we Trump as emily, as you can see in

1422
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Speaker 1: this chart here, like once Trump is elected, support for

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01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: all of these things just skyrockets, and people can pause

1424
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: that and study that if they want. But you also

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01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,759
Speaker 1: see in twenty eighteen after the Parkland shooting, the number

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01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: almost just straight up when it comes to strong gun.

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Speaker 4: What's your point today?

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Speaker 5: Well, yesterday, as CNN reports, and you can see this

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Speaker 5: up on your screen here, a federal judge blocked President

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden's controversial asylum policy, delivering a major blow to

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01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 5: the administration, which has leaned on the measure to drive

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Speaker 5: down border crossings. The judge put the ruling on hold

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01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 5: for fourteen days for a possible appeal. So we see

1434
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 5: this happening time and again with the border it getting

1435
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,600
Speaker 5: litigated in the courts. Fourteen day appeal, there was a

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01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 5: judge in Florida recently blocked another important aspect of what

1437
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 5: the administration sees an important aspect of its policy. And

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01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 5: of course there are real human life in the balance.

1439
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 5: Many of those human lives currently making their way up

1440
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 5: through Central South and Central America and Mexico. Many of

1441
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 5: those human lives waiting on the other side of the

1442
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 5: border right now for any word of what might work

1443
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 5: for them, how you get in. Here's more from Fox

1444
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 5: News on that particular decision, which, again keeping in mind

1445
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 5: the context that there are people who are literally waiting

1446
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 5: on word for how this is all working out. In

1447
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 5: the courts, Judge John Tiger of the U. S. District

1448
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 5: Court for the Northern District of California blocked the Circumvention

1449
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 5: of Lawful Pathways so that's capital clp circumvention of Lawful

1450
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 5: Pathway's rule in response to a lawsuit from a coalition

1451
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 5: of left wing immigration groups that's including the ACLU, by

1452
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 5: the way, which claimed the rule was actually similar to

1453
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 5: the Trump era transit ban that was similarly blocked. He

1454
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 5: found the rule is both this is quote, substantively and

1455
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 5: procedurally invalid and has delayed his ruling from taking effect

1456
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 5: from fourteen days. That gives administration time to appeal, which

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01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 5: they certainly will, because, as Fox continues to say, the

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01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 5: rule formed the centerpiece of the administration strategy to deal

1459
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 5: with the expiration of Title forty two that expired, as

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01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 5: you may remember a few weeks back, more than a

1461
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 5: few weeks now, that expired actually in May, but it

1462
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 5: was one of those things that presumed migrants you've probably

1463
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 5: heard this, to be ineligible for asylum if they entered

1464
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Speaker 5: the US illegally and have failed to claim an acclaim

1465
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 5: asylum in a country through which they have already traveled,

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Speaker 5: Mexico being sort of the.

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Speaker 3: Obvious example that.

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Speaker 5: Now, what's important to know that sounds on its face

1469
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 5: like maybe it seems overly draconian. Maybe if you're conservative,

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01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 5: it sounds reasonable. But one thing it does sound is effective. Right,

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Speaker 5: How could anybody get into the United States in large numbers?

1472
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 5: Where would you possibly see an influx of immigrants coming

1473
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 5: into the United States if they are being forced to

1474
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 5: go through legal channels and then come to claim asylum

1475
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 5: in Mexico or in another country that they've passed through,

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01:12:58,479 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 5: especially people who are taking flight.

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Speaker 3: It sort of confounding.

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Speaker 5: There's no way if you have this rule in place,

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Speaker 5: that you could possibly have an influx. Well, there's a

1480
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 5: dueling Republican lawsuit over this particular plank of the Biden

1481
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 5: administration's policy as well, and here's where things get interesting.

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01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 5: As Fox News writes, the lawsuit is also facing a

1483
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 5: separate challenge from Republican led States, which argued that rule

1484
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 5: is quote a smoke screen to quote define the problem

1485
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 5: away by recharacterizing what would be illegal crossings as lawful pathways.

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Speaker 5: And that's where the rubber meets the road. That when

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Speaker 5: you're looking at this rule and saying, how do we

1488
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 5: still see big numbers of people coming across the border?

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Speaker 5: The Biden administration claims those numbers are down. Either way,

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Speaker 5: even if they claim those numbers are down, you can

1491
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 5: see with your own eyes from reporters that are on

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 5: the border that there's overwhelming crossing attempts at different places.

1493
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Speaker 3: We know that you can see it with your own eyes.

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Speaker 5: And the reason for that is, as Fox News adds

1495
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 5: in their rite up here, the quote controversial CBP one

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Speaker 5: app which allows migrants to apply for one of the

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 5: more than fourteen hundred appointments at a point of entry

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01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 5: each day to be paroled into the US. So when

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Speaker 5: you're saying, how could people still be coming in big

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Speaker 5: numbers when you have this rule that has now been

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01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 5: blocked by this judge gives the administration fourteen days to appeal,

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01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 5: which they certainly will. How are people still coming? Why

1503
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 5: are their shelters still overwhelmed. Why are we still seeing

1504
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 5: coyotes bring people into the water, weigh them into the

1505
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 5: currents and get them to the other side.

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01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 3: Well, it's because a the.

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Speaker 5: Administration has expanded those legal pathways via CVP one, which

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Speaker 5: was supposed to have about a thousand appointments a day

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01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 5: and has now been expanded to fourteen hundred one thousand

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Speaker 5: a day. As this is, in the words of the

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01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 5: Obama administration, is quote a crisis. Now we're talking about

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01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 5: just one thousand legal appointments, ninety nine percent of which,

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 5: according to reports, are being These are your granting your

1514
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 5: entry into the United States while you await that sort

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 5: of US pending asylum trial, and so that means you

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01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 5: can go to a sanctuary city. We saw reporting recently

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Speaker 5: in the San Francisco Chronicle about why so many migrants

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01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 5: from Central America that are building literal mansions in Central

1519
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 5: America go to San Francisco. Well, it's because of the

1520
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 5: way law enforcement is able to deal with people who

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01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 5: have crossed illegally, the way law enforcement is able to

1522
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Speaker 5: deal with people who've been have been imprisoned, given jail

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01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 5: time for drug offenses, et cetera, et cetera, so all

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Speaker 5: of these policies really do matter. Lenient immigration policies are inhumane.

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Speaker 5: There's a way to have humane immigration policies, especially important

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01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 5: when people are coming to the United States for good reason.

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Speaker 5: I've talked to some of the people who are coming

1528
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Speaker 5: to the United States for good reason. Some of it

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Speaker 5: doesn't meet in any sense of the word asylum claims.

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Speaker 3: Some of them do. Some of them clearly.

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01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 5: If you hear these stories and talk to people up close,

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01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 5: you would think we should expand the way that we

1533
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 5: define asylum in the United States to economic asylum. But

1534
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 5: for a whole lot of people, it is purely economic.

1535
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 5: Is why they're willing to wait in the streets of

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 5: a dangerous border city like Reynosa for an indefinite time period,

1537
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 5: waiting to get their CVP one appointment, waiting to pay

1538
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 5: get the right amount of money to pay a coyote

1539
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 5: to cross, you know, doing odd jobs so that you

1540
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 5: have enough money to pay a coyote to cross.

1541
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 3: This is inhumane.

1542
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 5: Uh and the Republican lawsuit referring to this Biden policy

1543
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 5: as a smoke screen is much closer to the truth

1544
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 5: than the acl used claim that this is that they

1545
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 5: also claim By the way, a lot of immigration groups

1546
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 5: claim that CVP one is in and of itself inhumane,

1547
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,839
Speaker 5: even though again it's really fast tracking the asylum process

1548
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 5: or the entry process for a whole lot of people

1549
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 5: that are claiming asylum. The administration is not being transparent

1550
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 5: at all about their numbers when it comes to CBP one.

1551
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 5: So all of this is to say, the court process,

1552
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 5: because Congress has kicked the ball to the courts and

1553
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 5: to the executive branch, is janely tragic. There are people

1554
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 5: who are waiting in border cities, desperate, people in grave

1555
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 5: danger because cartels have seized on this business and they

1556
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 5: are forced to stay in these border cities, or they're

1557
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 5: coming up because they hear and this is the important

1558
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 5: thing they hear from so many people via who have

1559
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 5: gotten in via CBP one that you can do it

1560
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 5: that if you pay the coyote to smuggle you up

1561
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 5: through Central America into Mexico and you wait in that

1562
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 5: border city long enough, you will get your appointment through

1563
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 5: CBP one. And even in cases people are being detained, well,

1564
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 5: if you're detained and then released into the United States,

1565
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 5: or if you are detained and then released back into

1566
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 5: Mexico and you still have a chance of getting through again.

1567
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 5: People see that as genuinely being better than where they

1568
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 5: are in Central America, because in so many places, life

1569
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 5: is miserable there, And that doesn't absolve the United States

1570
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 5: of helping to facilitate that level of misery, but it

1571
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 5: does mean that people are so desperate to get out

1572
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 5: of those situations they are traveling up and spending time

1573
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,480
Speaker 5: in these inhumane conditions that are being caused by policies

1574
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 5: like this that are ligning the pockets of cartels, and

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01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 5: it's an incredibly tragic and unfortunate state of affairs.

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01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 3: Also, people have realized that the.

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01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 5: Administration is not enforcing what it says entirely that it

1578
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,480
Speaker 5: is enforcing, so if people do cross the border illegally,

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01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 5: they are still being granted entry. In cases we see

1580
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 5: this only anecdotally, because again we don't have numbers on this,

1581
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 5: the administration isn't being especially transparent about it. But border

1582
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 5: reporters who are down there have video talking to migrants

1583
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 5: and are watching this happen, and so as soon as

1584
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 5: that call gets down or that WhatsApp gets down back

1585
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 5: to people in Honduras or Nicaragua, then they will take

1586
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 5: the gamble on coming up. And so again, this is

1587
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 5: not the way to run a border. This is not

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01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 5: acceptable in any way whatsoever. It's not safe for the

1589
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 5: American people, and it's sure he is not safe for

1590
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 5: the people of Central America and Mexico who lives are

1591
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 5: being even if they don't travel, their lives are being

1592
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 5: turned upside down by the power of cartels, which is

1593
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 5: especially as the government is cracking down on fentanyl, are

1594
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 5: turning more and more to human smuggling as big business.

1595
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 5: It's disgusting and these policies aren't helping it. So what

1596
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 5: we need is a Congress that wants to take action,

1597
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 5: and in the absence of that, what we get is

1598
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 5: people hanging in the balance of our court system and

1599
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 5: being punted around like footballs as these cases make their

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01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 5: way through the court.

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01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 3: Ran We've talked about this a lot, and this is

1602
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:34,560
Speaker 3: a pretty big.

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01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: We talk a lot on this show about the nature

1604
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: of the family as it relates to economics and to culture,

1605
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: and we wanted to talk about We wanted to talk

1606
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: today to a philosopher who has been thinking a lot

1607
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: about the role of the nuclear family, its relationship to

1608
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: the extended family and the way that the left ought

1609
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: to be thinking about it.

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01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 4: You've probably guessed already who that is.

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01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Arami, Ose Frimpong Arami, thanks so

1612
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 1: much for joining us.

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01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks for thanks for having me.

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01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 2: It's not it's not obvious why liberals hate families and

1615
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 2: why they get their clocks cleaned on family issues pretty consistently,

1616
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,440
Speaker 2: both electrically set down just in popular media.

1617
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: Set that set that up for us. First, do you

1618
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 1: really think that liberals hate families?

1619
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1620
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, why do you think that? Why do you say

1621
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 4: liberals hate fat families?

1622
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 1: And I don't I think I know you're being a

1623
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: little hyperbolic, but I don't think you're totally wrong on

1624
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: the on the history, the intellectual history there.

1625
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 4: So tell tell us what you mean by that.

1626
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I don't even think Emily would say I'm hyperbolic,

1627
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 2: like I think. I think it's just conventional wisdom. I

1628
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 2: think there are good reasons and bad reasons to that

1629
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 2: liberals hate families because it used to be the case

1630
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 2: that what you did in function of society was a

1631
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 2: product of your lineage, Like farmers, people with the last

1632
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: name Farmer came from farmers. And they were expected to

1633
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 2: be farmers, like Smith's came from Smith's and Coopers came

1634
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 2: from Coopers. And it's not obvious that you should your

1635
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: productive activity and society should be determined by your lineage

1636
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 2: and who you came from, and that's that was kind

1637
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 2: of an affront of freedom. So the idea is that

1638
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 2: we level out that that lineage privilege and distribute assets

1639
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: and then people can work for their passion and build

1640
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 2: up skills and areas that they're passionate about, and then

1641
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 2: let the market decide what's produced and who produces it

1642
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 2: for society. And that seems to be better until we

1643
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 2: think about who protects like little kids from the market,

1644
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 2: because the market just wants us to be on social

1645
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 2: media and jewel So it's not obvious that I mean.

1646
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 2: So that's a good reason why liberals go at the family,

1647
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 2: and historically have went at the family, because the pre

1648
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: modern family used to decide what you did for your life, right,

1649
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 2: and then the same market could be made for the church.

1650
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 2: It's another reason why liberals kind of hate the church.

1651
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: The bad thing is that nothing then defends children from

1652
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 2: the predations of the market, And it's not obvious that

1653
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 2: parents shouldn't have aspirations and realize there are aspirations for

1654
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 2: their children. And even like the variety of transphobia that's

1655
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 2: that's in America today. That's like I should be able

1656
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 2: to send my kid to a school, my son to

1657
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 2: a school, and not have them come back and like

1658
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 2: fight with me about wanting to become my daughter. So

1659
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 2: family has so little power that we don't understand like

1660
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:45,919
Speaker 2: the right sort of mediation for family, right. And for example,

1661
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 2: like my nine year old just finished studying a list

1662
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: of SAT words, right, So it's not as if when

1663
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 2: she takes that test against in ten years or in

1664
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 2: eight years, once he takes against that test against other kids,

1665
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 2: her family is going to have a lot to say

1666
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: about her quality of success. So this idea that you

1667
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 2: can completely evacuate the family responsibility and family right from

1668
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: the lives of people is I think a little bit ludicrous.

1669
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 2: But the open determination of family in people's lives up

1670
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 2: until you know the modern era is real and how

1671
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:26,759
Speaker 2: to be mitigated.

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01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 6: Also, Yeah, and.

1673
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:28,839
Speaker 3: It's that question of freedom.

1674
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 5: You wrote a really interesting medium post on this is

1675
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 5: called Families under Siege, a left defense of the nuclear family,

1676
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 5: And I wanted to ask you about what I found

1677
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 5: one of the most interesting paragraphs you write. Since justice

1678
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 5: is going to be a matter in making sure that

1679
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 5: each person has the opportunity to realize the different varieties

1680
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 5: of freedom if people are restricted from participating in family

1681
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 5: relations and injustice has been done yet the left is

1682
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 5: bad at conceiving the family as an institution of freedom

1683
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 5: that needs to state protection from predatory markets and special

1684
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 5: cultural interests. And then the next line you invoke what

1685
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 5: you were just talking about. You say, the nation's most

1686
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 5: recent bount of transphobia medical procedures is rooted in the

1687
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 5: anxiety that only the GOP cares that families can set

1688
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 5: an agenda for their genetic line.

1689
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 3: Can you flush that point.

1690
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 5: Out more, especially as you juxtapose it with the conservative

1691
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 5: focus on there's actually a literal conservative group called focus

1692
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 5: on the Family. But what you know when you see

1693
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 5: the left walking away since Betty ord Ferdan calling the

1694
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 5: home a comfortable concentration camp or whatever she said to now,

1695
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 5: that is a stark contrast, and especially in that sort

1696
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 5: of conception of freedom that you're advancing, if the left

1697
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 5: doesn't see a family as a bastion of freedom, of

1698
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 5: something that can protect individuals from markets, from government overreaches.

1699
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 5: That does seem to be a problem for it.

1700
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 2: So that's a structural advantage the right has when it

1701
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 2: talks about families, So because it could say it could

1702
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 2: look at all the good things families have done for

1703
01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 2: people and argue from a matter of tradition and say that, like,

1704
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 2: as a matter of tradition, like we should keep the family,

1705
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: because without the family, you know, people go, things go

1706
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 2: horribly awry. And you can say, as this is what

1707
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 2: we've done, this is how we've succeed succeeded, and it's

1708
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: the same. And there's a similar kind of religious argument

1709
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 2: we could the right could use to support the family.

1710
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,839
Speaker 2: The left doesn't have those kinds of resources because tradition

1711
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,719
Speaker 2: has licensed all sorts of like awful things, and religion

1712
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 2: has licensed all sorts of awful things. So the left

1713
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:32,799
Speaker 2: has to look into family as a variety of freedom,

1714
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: and if it's not a variety of freedom, we get

1715
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 2: rid of it.

1716
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 6: But if it is a variety of freedom, and.

1717
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 2: Our constitution is supposed to protect freedom in all of

1718
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 2: its all of it's you know, manifold colors, then the

1719
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 2: federal government's job to support the peculiar kind of freedom

1720
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 2: that can only come in the family. And so in

1721
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 2: that article I talk about what is the peculiar kind

1722
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 2: of freedom that can only come in the family, and

1723
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,719
Speaker 2: that peculiar kind of freedom is the freedom of acting

1724
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 2: with someone who is committed to you without you know

1725
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 2: their immediate choices, having anything in the matter. There's a

1726
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 2: certain kind of freedom that you can only have with

1727
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 2: someone who can't choose their way out. There's a certain

1728
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 2: kind of freedom that you can only have some kind

1729
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 2: of relationships, and certain kind of plans you can make,

1730
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: and certain kind of plans you can realize with someone

1731
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: only when their exits are tied.

1732
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 6: This is why you know Cortez burn the ships.

1733
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 2: There's a certain kind of self determination you can have,

1734
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 2: and we kind of know this with rules and other

1735
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 2: aspects of our lives. For example, if I were to

1736
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,520
Speaker 2: play soccer, Let's say I had to play soccer, except

1737
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 2: my opponent when I play soccer, says like, you know

1738
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 2: what you can't have. You can't keep me from using

1739
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 2: my hands. I really want to use my hands. Who

1740
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 2: are you to tell me that I can't use my hands?

1741
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 2: And there's a way in which the only way any

1742
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,600
Speaker 2: of us can be soccer players is if we forswear

1743
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 2: the ability to like.

1744
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 6: Use our hands.

1745
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Speaker 2: And that's one of the one of the kinds of

1746
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 2: freedoms get with with family, the immediate.

1747
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 6: Unity where the other person can't just leave.

1748
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 2: You have to figure it out together, and you are

1749
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 2: you get to figure it out together, so you get

1750
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 2: to do It's also something you have to do. And like,

1751
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 2: my kid can't just decide that my neighbor makes better

1752
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 2: cookies and then come to me and say, Dad, I

1753
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 2: want to quit you and live with them because they're better.

1754
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 9: Right.

1755
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, in so far as that's a particular kind of freedom,

1756
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: it's a particular kind of freedom that needs to be supported,

1757
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 2: and I think it's an important kind of freedom.

1758
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 6: But there are other kind of freedoms that also need

1759
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:33,799
Speaker 6: to be supported.

1760
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 2: So we need to support them, just kind of mediate

1761
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 2: them through each other and moderate them so that they

1762
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 2: can all allow each other to flourish well.

1763
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: Arami, you talk about in your piece kind of nannies

1764
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: for all A maybe I.

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01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 4: Came up with that term for it. But you're you

1766
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 4: know you you.

1767
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: Write about how you you elevate the nuclear family, but

1768
01:27:56,680 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of dismissive of the extent family, which

1769
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of the capitalism and the way that people have

1770
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: moved around so much has has really gutted the extended

1771
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 1: family anyway. So it's not as if it needs any

1772
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: extra push. But that leaves us with the situation where

1773
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: you have all of the work of child rearing and

1774
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: running a house on justice nuclear family. And so one

1775
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: of your solutions is kind of basically subsidized you know, Nanni's,

1776
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: which gives a new meeting to the nanny state.

1777
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 4: But I one and two.

1778
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: Like Arnold Schwarzenegger can get behind, Yeah, And so I

1779
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: wanted to get your take on what you make of

1780
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 1: the rising kind of politics of the care economy within

1781
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, like it within Build Back Better, you know,

1782
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 1: the most trans well, the most transformative element of the

1783
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 1: American Rescue Plan was the childcare tax credit, which you know,

1784
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: the you know two fifty and three fifty per kid,

1785
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 1: which was which flows out of this kind of movement

1786
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: within the Democratic Party of taking families seriously and really

1787
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:08,879
Speaker 1: helping them, you know, make ends meet, to stitch the

1788
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: the you know, to economically stitch the family together that

1789
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: ran up against climate in the in Build Back better

1790
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: and got pushed aside for the climate money, there wasn't

1791
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: enough kind of support within.

1792
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 4: The party for it.

1793
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: But it is the new thing, like you've seen, you're

1794
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of foundations i think, getting behind it,

1795
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: and you're seeing kind of the kind of democratic apparatus

1796
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 1: moving into place to say that the next time that

1797
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: we get a majority, we are going to implement as

1798
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: big of a care economy agenda as we can, which

1799
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: is similar to what you're talking about here.

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01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 4: So where do you think that How did.

1801
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: That come out of the ashes of what the Betty

1802
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 1: free Dan kind of movement that you're talking about.

1803
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 5: And I'll tag something quickly onto that, and that Republicans

1804
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 5: would say all of this has to be done with

1805
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 5: a marriage requirement. That's a huge debate on the right

1806
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 5: and so Arami, is that also important? Is there something

1807
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 5: still telling about the fact that Democrats would basically never

1808
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 5: pass cash payments for families without with a marriage requirement.

1809
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 2: Right, So Democrats like children, but they hate families. So

1810
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 2: it's very complicated. So if we can give the money

1811
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 2: directly to the kids, we could, but supporting like you know,

1812
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 2: jobs for the adults and like jobs with unionized benefits

1813
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 2: and free time and all of that and just calling.

1814
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 2: And I'll say this because I don't really get paid

1815
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 2: to do what you guys do. I think the casual

1816
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 2: divorce in America's former child abuse. I think children should

1817
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 2: have access to the two people who like naturally.

1818
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 6: Love them, and.

1819
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 2: Then when you split that access, it gets weird because

1820
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a fifty to fifty divide happening,

1821
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 2: because if you have kids, you might not have three

1822
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 2: kind of a heap. Panting isn't fifty to fifty. It's

1823
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 2: always one hundred one hundred. And if you're not doing

1824
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 2: one hundred one hundred, you're not doing it right. So,

1825
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 2: like I think the casual divorce is.

1826
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 1: No yeah, but the Left is never going backwards on

1827
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: legal no cause divorce. Are you talking about social stigma

1828
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: around it? I mean it's already way down from what

1829
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: it was in the eighties.

1830
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:10,719
Speaker 4: Are you yeah?

1831
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 1: I think are you talking about actual legal restrictions on it.

1832
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to make no fault divorce or a

1833
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 2: casual divorce illegal, but I do want to put marriage

1834
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 2: training into the culture and as a public curriculum, and

1835
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 2: like we need to decide what marriage is for, and

1836
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 2: I think marriage is for the realization of this peculiar

1837
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 2: kind of freedom you can only have when you're committed

1838
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,679
Speaker 2: to working it out with someone.

1839
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 6: Now this isn't sex specific.

1840
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 2: It could be two people committed to working out to men,

1841
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 2: two women committed to working out to non binary committed

1842
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 2: work people working out together like, but it is a

1843
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 2: commitment to work out your household issues that have been

1844
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 2: condealed together. Because once you put things together like that,

1845
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 2: they can't just you can't just split the baby like that,

1846
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 2: like we've casually just assumed we can. So we need

1847
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,839
Speaker 2: a cultural revolution and not so much an external legal

1848
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 2: one to like jail or find people for getting divorced.

1849
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 2: I think the wrong people are getting married for the

1850
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 2: wrong reasons. So let's try to address that first and

1851
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 2: get people married for the right reasons to realize this

1852
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 2: peculiar kind of freedom. And they'll look for different things

1853
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 2: in apartment. They'll look for like the you know, the

1854
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 2: creative spark that allow me to solve weird problems when

1855
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 2: they emerge, because that's all like that holds a real

1856
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 2: kind of marriage together, like a little bit of love,

1857
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 2: a little bit of like lust, but also like an

1858
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 2: appreciation of the way that person solves problems with you

1859
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 2: when external shocks come, because kids are nothing but an

1860
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 2: external shock.

1861
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,799
Speaker 6: That like causes people to want to solve problems.

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01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 2: So so that's why I think, that's how I think

1863
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 2: we can hold marriages together. But why I want to

1864
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,600
Speaker 2: get rid of the extended family is because, well, I

1865
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 2: mean experientially, I've run.

1866
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 6: Into so many like sixty.

1867
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 2: Year old people who are still taking order from like

1868
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 2: their ninety year old a parent that we need to

1869
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 2: figure out how everyone can realize the freedom of family,

1870
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 2: and that might mean limiting the family to a nuclear

1871
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 2: version because the invention of the intervention of the nuclear

1872
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 2: family as a realization of freedom got you away from

1873
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 2: clan power, that's clan with the c power, where like

1874
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 2: the richest uncle just didn't dictate what everybody else did.

1875
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 2: So we need these nuclear units to be able to

1876
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: kind of with their partner within the within the family,

1877
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 2: within that nuclear family, decide how to live their life

1878
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 2: without having to worry about, you know, ticking off the

1879
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 2: inheritance from you know, the richest aunt or alienating themselves

1880
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 2: from the childcare provided by the richest uncle, which means

1881
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 2: the state has to step in and be like the

1882
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 2: childcare of last resort when when the grandparents can't do

1883
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 2: it or don't.

1884
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam, no ants and uncles, but uncle Sam arommie.

1885
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 1: We can fight about the extended family. Last time, this

1886
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: has been this has been fun. We have to leave

1887
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: it there though, thank thanks as always for joining us.

1888
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 4: Gonna make one more quick point, but a quick one

1889
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 4: because we got a roll.

1890
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 6: Okay, So a lot of people will say like, well,

1891
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 6: you know, you have to.

1892
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 2: Keep marriages and you have to keep families together because

1893
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 2: it's good for the children. And then they list this

1894
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 2: laundry list of empirical data that says that families like

1895
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 2: intact families are good for the children. But that's not

1896
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 2: the right kind of argument, because you could also imagine

1897
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 2: studies that come out and say that it's really good

1898
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 2: for children of poor kids for the bottom twenty percent

1899
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 2: if the top twenty percent of way journers in wealth

1900
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 2: hoarders can just pluck them from their family and raise

1901
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 2: them as their own, so we could have like those.

1902
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 2: The same empirical arguments that tell you to keep the

1903
01:34:56,120 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 2: family together can license family pillaging. So you need a

1904
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 2: non empirical account of why families are good. It can't

1905
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 2: just be looked. It can't just be looking at the

1906
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 2: outcomes for children. It has to be looking for about

1907
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 2: the rights and access of parents and children to each other,

1908
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 2: and in a more robust way than just looking at

1909
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 2: you know, presupposed outcomes.

1910
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 6: The same can be said for marriage.

1911
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 2: You can have a study that comes out and says

1912
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 2: that like, well, you know, if an eligible marriage partner

1913
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 2: comes to you and they make thirty percent more than

1914
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 2: your current marriage partner, these studies say that you'll be

1915
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 2: happier if you just divorce this partner and go with

1916
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 2: the richer. Richer would be spouse. Right, So these studies

1917
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 2: can't do it. It needs to be a non empirical

1918
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 2: rights based argument about the peculiar kind of freedom that families.

1919
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 6: Realize.

1920
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 2: That's not that's different from market freedom, and that's different

1921
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 2: from political freedom.

1922
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rommie, thanks thanks again for joining us. So always

1923
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: always fun to talk through this stuff with you.

1924
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 2: Oh, no problem, And if anybody likes hearing what I

1925
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 2: have to say, just go to either www dot funk

1926
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 2: academic dot com or you can go to the YouTube

1927
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 2: show I do. I do a show on relationships on Monday,

1928
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 2: but when I do relationships about like oh this is

1929
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 2: get you laid, it's like how to you know, date

1930
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 2: in a way that will not end up in a divorce.

1931
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:22,959
Speaker 2: So I had to think about relationships in a holistic

1932
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 2: manner that means like staving off divorce. And on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: I do a political show that's just more straight politics.

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Speaker 5: That does it for us on this Wednesday edition of Counterpoints.

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