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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. All Right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X, and today we've got

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson on the show with me and most of you.

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Speaker 1: If you're a longtime listener, at least you should know

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Speaker 1: who Tony is. He's he's been a frequent guest on

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Speaker 1: the show. He's a long time outdoor writer, he's been

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Speaker 1: a Meat Eater contributor, and just a just a downright

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Speaker 1: damn good deer hunter, especially when it comes to public land.

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Speaker 1: D I y deer hunting. There are there are a

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Speaker 1: few people better. And I got him on the show

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Speaker 1: this week to cover a whole variety of topics, but

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Speaker 1: in particular, I mostly wanted to discuss with him some

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Speaker 1: of the less talked about variables, the impact who we

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Speaker 1: are as hunters and the success we have, things like

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Speaker 1: things like mindset and satisfaction and inner drive, toughness, work ethics,

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's to be the best we can

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Speaker 1: be at anything, hunting included. I think it requires a

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Speaker 1: certain set of intangibles. I think UH focus on on

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Speaker 1: nurturing and improving these these inner things that help us

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Speaker 1: work towards our goals. And that's what we ended up

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Speaker 1: spending a lot of our time discussing in this episode.

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Speaker 1: You know how mindset has impacted Tony's hunting, the necessity

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Speaker 1: of never losing your joy um, the drive to challenge yourself,

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Speaker 1: even what Tony two point oh might look like if

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Speaker 1: if his plans go is as desired. So that's that's

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Speaker 1: really what we get into. It's it's an interesting and

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Speaker 1: different kind of chat. And then we of course do

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Speaker 1: spend a decent amount of time talking specific hunting plans

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Speaker 1: to we we dive into what Tony has got in

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Speaker 1: store for prepping and scouting this year leading to the

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Speaker 1: deer hunting season. So he'll definitely get some some some

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Speaker 1: tangible takeaways, I guess as well. So that's what is

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Speaker 1: in store. It's a it's a great chat. I think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna enjoy it. I do want to leave you

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Speaker 1: with one quick note though, before we get into the

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Speaker 1: main thing. Because if you're stuck at home like I am,

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Speaker 1: and like most people across the country are, and if

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Speaker 1: you're board and you're wishing you could be out doing things,

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Speaker 1: you've ran out of all the podcasts and all the

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Speaker 1: Netflix episodes you can handle. I've got to offer my

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Speaker 1: shameless recommendation here for my book That Wild Country, an

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Speaker 1: epic journey through the past, present, and future of America's

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Speaker 1: public lands. UM have been seeing a lot of people

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Speaker 1: posting on social media about it recently, because, as I

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Speaker 1: just said, that a lot of people kind of getting

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Speaker 1: into this quarantine reading and people people have been joined

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Speaker 1: the book. UM. I'm super um honored and thankful that's

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Speaker 1: the case. So if you're wishing you could be out

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Speaker 1: traveling to some wild public place but can't because of

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Speaker 1: these current lockdown regulations, I think this book is a

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Speaker 1: perfect way to kind of vicariously explore through your imagination

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Speaker 1: some places like the Bob Marshal Wilderness in Monte in A. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Arctic tundra of Alaska, the Red Rocket canyons and

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Speaker 1: deserts of southeast Utah, um, the wildlife packed of valleys

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Speaker 1: of Yellowstone. Uh. It's it's I think something that it's

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Speaker 1: at least the book that I would want to read

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Speaker 1: right now. UM, that that kind of book, at least

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Speaker 1: the books I've just been reading. Actually have been like

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Speaker 1: the things where you can go on adventure in your

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Speaker 1: mind even though you're stuck, you know, reading in bed

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Speaker 1: at night. So take it. Take it for what it's worth.

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Speaker 1: My obviously biased recommendation. But here is a bit of news.

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Speaker 1: If you do want to read the book and you

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Speaker 1: want to show your support not just to me, but

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Speaker 1: also to the team over a meat Eater, you can

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Speaker 1: now buy that Wild Country on the meat Eater website.

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Speaker 1: That's it's pretty cool. You can get it now on

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Speaker 1: the meta store. If you just head to the meat

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Speaker 1: eater dot com, go to the store menu and navigate

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Speaker 1: to books, you will see it right there. Um, for

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Speaker 1: some reason, you don't want to do that, you can't

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Speaker 1: do that. The other option I'd encourage you to look

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Speaker 1: into is picking up a copy from your local bookstore. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, these stores in many cases are struggling right

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Speaker 1: now due to physical store closures, but many of them

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Speaker 1: enjoy a good bookstore, um, this is this is the

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Speaker 1: time we need to support them to make sure they

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Speaker 1: So that is my biased media recommendation for you today. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: for humoring me. There and with that out of the way,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, my chat with Tony Peterson. Enjoy all

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Speaker 1: right with me now on the line? Is Tony Peterson

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Speaker 1: back for I don't know. You've been a pretty frequent

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Speaker 1: basically a co host at this point, don't you been

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Speaker 1: in so much? But I'm glad you were able to

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Speaker 1: find some time to do this. How how are you

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Speaker 1: in the family holding up? As as anyone listening knows

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Speaker 1: right now, we're in the middle of the COVID nineteen situation.

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Speaker 1: So what's what's happened in Minnesota with you guys? Man?

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Speaker 1: We are scouting turkeys and shed hunting, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: for our mental health. And I'm sure you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure a lot of Wire to Hunt listeners are kind

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Speaker 1: of in the same boat. They're they're finding every excuse

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Speaker 1: it seems like the best, the best possible option, given

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Speaker 1: the one silver lining, I guess those of us that

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Speaker 1: we're missing other things too. You know, well, yeah, man,

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00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I think it's like so

429
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 1: easy to think about, you know, the buck that gets

430
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: in on you because you're staring at your phone or

431
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: gets away, or the the encounter you blow because of that.

432
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 1: But really, you know, what you're talking about is like

433
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I think creativity is directly tied

434
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: to experience, and you know as well as I do.

435
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: You can't just sit down and be creative eight hours

436
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 1: a day for your job. It just doesn't fly. You

437
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: have to You have to get out and be doing

438
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: stuff and that you know that ties to the content

439
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 1: creation side of things that we're talking about. But it

440
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: also ties into being a better hunter, like you're leading to,

441
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: like you want to you want to solve problems out

442
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: there in the woods, spend time out there and pay

443
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: attention and actually actually pay attention. Don't be out there

444
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: but clicking on hearts on Instagram and stuff like that.

445
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I am maybe extra woo woo

446
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: on some of these things, Like I'm really fascinated by

447
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: the mental side of things, by what's going on on

448
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: that next level. I'm constantly trying to read more about

449
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 1: philosophy or mental processes are problem solving or I don't know,

450
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 1: I'm just I geek out about that stuff. But I

451
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: just keep seeing more and more and more when it

452
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: comes to like becoming a really good hunter. If if

453
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: we go back to the main thing we usually talk

454
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: about here with where done, there's like this certain set

455
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: of um basic understandings of animal behavior and habitat and

456
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: stuff that you've got to figure out and some basic skills.

457
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: Once you have this, I don't know, we'll say we'll

458
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: just call this top level set of skills. Then I

459
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: feel like the way to take those next steps, it's

460
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: almost all these mental things. Mental toughness meant problem solving, learning,

461
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: how to calm your nerves, how to adjust on the fly,

462
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: learning learning, how to learn from things. I mean, all

463
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: that mental stuff I keep thinking is what's gonna help

464
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: me and helpably hopefully people listening. That's how you go

465
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: from just an average I get out there and I

466
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: do okay ever once in a while, to be in

467
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: like a very consistent successful hunter. Um, do you feel

468
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: like embarking with their own tree on that kind of

469
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: thing or is there something to that. I agree with you,

470
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: and I think the missing component there that you haven't

471
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: mentioned yet is when you when you start getting your

472
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: head right as far as you know, enjoying the work

473
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: and understanding the decision making process and being more comfortable

474
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: with the mental side of things, you're just gonna be

475
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: happier with your hunting. All that stuff ties into more

476
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: enjoyment and less worry, less second guessing. And I'll tell

477
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: you what, man, I'm I've gone through lots of different

478
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: phases of deer hunting. I've loved it, hated it, been

479
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: everywhere in between. And what I realized that probably one

480
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: of the biggest things that ever happened to me is

481
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: I just I just kind of got to a place

482
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I just enjoy the scouting parts so

483
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: much and in the work parts of it, and it

484
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: didn't it didn't bother me to fail anymore as much.

485
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I still didn't enjoy it the same way.

486
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: But what it kind of like all tied into is

487
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: I just got happier with my self as a hunter.

488
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: I stopped caring about the big buck thing as much,

489
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: and I stopped caring about you know, kind of the

490
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 1: bs that surrounds the job when you when you do

491
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: what we do and just realize, like I just want

492
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: to go out there and enjoy it. And it changed

493
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: everything for me, like decision making process and the amount

494
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 1: of time I hunted and sticking to my you know,

495
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: if I had a plan and went, okay, this is

496
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: this is how I think this is gonna shake out,

497
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: Like to what level I kind of had some discipline

498
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: to stick to it or being opened, you know, some

499
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: some kind of encounter changes what you think about your

500
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: plan and just being in the right mental head space

501
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: is It's a It's a weird thing to preach because

502
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: people want to like, you know, what kind of call

503
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: should I use? What kind of scent should I use.

504
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: They want some kind of answer that way. And when

505
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: you sit here and go, hey, you gotta be happier,

506
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: they go, uh, can I just buy a call? Like

507
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: is there a decoy that will do that for me?

508
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: And that's not how it works. Man. Did you have

509
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: like a breaking point or some kind of event or

510
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: a season in particular where you had this Okay, I

511
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: need to look at this differently. That was there something

512
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: some time period or ventu you can point to when

513
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: that shift happened for you or that forced that shift? Yoh, yeah,

514
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: I've I've had so the first time I had an

515
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: absolute deer hunting breakdown, I was I think fifteen, and

516
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: so I started bow hunting when I was twelve, and

517
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: I didn't come from a gun hunting family or anything,

518
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: So it was it was just bows or nothing for us,

519
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: for my dad and I and I. You know, I

520
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: loved it, That's all I wanted to do. But I

521
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: could not hit him. I would. I was missing dear

522
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: a lot. And you know, we've talked about this on

523
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: past podcast. And I ended up hitting a point when

524
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: I was like still a teenager where I gave I

525
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: told my dad, I said, I'm done, Like I can't.

526
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: I can't keep going sit in the woods. And I

527
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: remember him he said, well, you want to get a

528
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: slug gun, we can go gun hunt. And I thought

529
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: about it and I took off like I don't know,

530
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: a week or ten days or something, and I just

531
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 1: missed it so much. I went back at the end

532
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: of the year, I killed my first deer with a bowl,

533
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: and it was like a It was a good lesson

534
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: for me because I needed it later in my life

535
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: when I got into the hunting industry and my you know,

536
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: some of my income was tied to being a guy

537
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: who could kill big bucks and that pressure. I just

538
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: didn't see that coming. And so I had another breakdown

539
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: where my buck fever came back real bad and I

540
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: had to reinvent myself. And so I've had two times

541
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: in my life where I was like, I'm not enjoying this.

542
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: I was almost you know, I don't have you ever

543
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: hunted with a traditional bowl? You probably haven't haven Okay,

544
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: there's there's a weird thing when you do that where

545
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: if you haven't practiced enough and got confident enough, you

546
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: don't want to see a deer walking in Like you're

547
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: sitting up there and you're like, please don't come any closer,

548
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: because I'm you have no confidence in your abilities. You know,

549
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: It's it's a weird thing, and I'm sure it happens

550
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: with other weapons, but when you when you're in that place,

551
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: it takes some work to dig out of it. And

552
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: I've had to do that twice in my life, and

553
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: the last one was a long one, and when I

554
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: got through it, I just felt like, you know, part

555
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: of it was probably growing up a little bit, but

556
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: I just felt like I got to just so much

557
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: of a better place. And it's, you know, it was

558
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: it was a stinging lesson both times, but it's it's stuck.

559
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: You know. Is there anything you learned coming out of that, um,

560
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: not just tactically like how to be able to shoot

561
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: things better, but I mean more so if we were

562
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: to take one like step up the hierarchy of of

563
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: what's going on there, and did you learn anything about

564
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: how to recover from failure? Because I feel like that

565
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: is one of these big things that we encounters hunters

566
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: a lot, because there's all these different types of failures

567
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: that you can encounter as a hunter, and it happens

568
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: more times than not, right we we we have ultimate

569
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: success only handful of times on any given year, even

570
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: the very best of us. And most of the time

571
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: you go out there and something doesn't go quite the

572
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: way you wanted to. Either nothing shows up, or the

573
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: wrong deer shows up, or you shooting miss or you're

574
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: shooting wounded deer, or you spook a deer, or a

575
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: hunter comes on the property and spooks all the deer

576
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: out and ruins your hunt. I mean, there's all these

577
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: potential failures that happened during a given season, and and

578
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: I I gotta I mean, as we're talking about this,

579
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: probably one of the very most important skills you can

580
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: have as a deer hunter is is learning how to

581
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: deal with failure and bounce back from it, because that

582
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: happens almost every hunt. I mean, what did you learn

583
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: about that that you just accept it? I mean, that's

584
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: that's the thing that you know. There, there's when you

585
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: get into that topic, you're kind of getting into the

586
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: danger of the social media and the you know, the

587
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: comparison issue, because it looks like everybody's killing giant bucks.

588
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I was thinking about this. I was talking

589
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: to a buddy the other day. I'm like, I feel

590
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: like I'm the only person in the world who's not

591
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: consistently finding shed antlers right now. And it, Believe me, man,

592
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: it's not for a lack of try, and we are

593
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: cover ring some miles, but it's such a skewed view

594
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: of things. And so yeah, I mean, I got real

595
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: comfortable with failure and and not letting it get me down, because,

596
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, if you look at bow

597
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: hunting success rates state to state, you're talking typically right

598
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: around there. And so generally of us are failing in

599
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: any given year to kill a deer. And on any

600
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: given day you go sit in a tree stand, it's

601
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: almost a certainty that you won't kill something, you know,

602
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: let alone the misses and whatever else that that are

603
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: almost seemed like worse failures. And so you kind of

604
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: just do have to get past that, and that's that's

605
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen. But for me, what kind

606
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 1: of what I realized about it, uh, sort of on

607
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: that note, it's sort of a parallel was I didn't

608
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: need to worry about the success as much because I

609
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: learned that if I put in enough scouting and enough time,

610
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, looking at the aerial photography and burning some

611
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: boot leather and getting out there all year round. It

612
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: was like a given that the opportunities would come. Like

613
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, if you hunt enough states and you put

614
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: in enough time on the front end, you've just set

615
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: yourself up where those encounters will come to some extent

616
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: name but you know they vary from year to year

617
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: and and state to state. But you get a lot

618
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: of confidence and you get real comfortable with yourself if

619
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: you can, if you believe, that's what's going to happen.

620
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: So I think you you kind of answer this question

621
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: for me with the example you just shared for the examples,

622
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: But if if I forced you to tell me right

623
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: now what the single greatest intangible trait that you have

624
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: that helps you to be as successful as you are

625
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: as a hunter, what would that be? What's your superpower?

626
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: I love scouting. I I think that that you know,

627
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: you've interviewed a lot of deer hunters, and I have

628
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: interviewed a lot of deer hunters. When you when you

629
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: get somebody and I know you've seen a before where

630
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: you get somebody on here like this person has a

631
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: lot of experience, Like you can tell they're speaking from

632
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, pretty deep well there's almost always this love

633
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: of scouting built in there, even if you know they

634
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: have a different you know, even if they hunt beds

635
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: or their core area masters or they have some kind

636
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: of specialty, there's always almost always like intrinsically linked to that.

637
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: It's just a sheer love of scouting year round. So

638
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: what do you think that? Is that? Like, like, back

639
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: it up, So you love scouting, But is that because

640
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: you're really curious? Or is that because you are so

641
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: damn determined? Or is that because you will hate yourself

642
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: if you don't do every possible bit of work you can. Like,

643
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: what's the thing in your mind that's making you scout?

644
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: Know what I mean? Yeah, totally. I love being in

645
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: the woods man, Like I just like, it's not a

646
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: it's not like a terminator drive to kill big Bucks.

647
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: It's not like that for me. I just it's this

648
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons I hunt everything. I just

649
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: love being in the woods. And so, you know, tonight

650
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: it's the end of March. I'm gonna be sitting in

651
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: this Buddies box blind shooting photos of deer I hope,

652
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: with my little girls. And I'm super excited. And you know,

653
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: there's gonna be no antlers out there. It's just gonna

654
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: be you know, where we're going. It's probably gonna be

655
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: dose and funds if they do come by. But I

656
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: just love being in the woods. And so yeah, you know,

657
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: if you're if you're talking winter scouting or summer glassing,

658
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: running into check a trail camera, all of that stuff.

659
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: I just enjoy being there and that's a that's a

660
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: big part of it. Yeah, that's that's a good if.

661
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: If that kind of stuff comes from that place of

662
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: just love for it, that's that's hard to beat. That's

663
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: hard to beat. It's an intangible man Like some people,

664
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: I know, some people don't like it as much as

665
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: I do. And it's not their fault, but it's that's

666
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: just I just feel lucky that I have that sort

667
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: of bend towards being in the woods like that. You

668
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: said you don't have that terminator drive though, do you, like,

669
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: are you at a place right now where you are

670
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: really satisfied with you're out there and you're enjoying it

671
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: because you love it, You're satisfied with what's happening with

672
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: the types of hunting seasons are happening having or do

673
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: you still have a terminator drive of any kind to like,

674
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: is there a next level for you? Or is there

675
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: the next mountain you want to scale? Or do you

676
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: want to is there is there is there a quote

677
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: unquote better or next for you in any kind of way?

678
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: Or are you in that happy place where he wants

679
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: to No, there's always next, man. I you know, I

680
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: get bored with stuff pretty quick, and I was. I

681
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: was talking to Zach from the hunting public about this

682
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: at the Deer Classic at the Minnesota Deer Classic recently,

683
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: and he and I are kind of weired similarly where

684
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's one of those guys. He lives

685
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: in Iowa and he's sick of Iowa. He's like, I

686
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: want to move somewhere else because the hunting is too easy.

687
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: And you know, we started talking about that. You know,

688
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: you and I have hunted some of the same spots

689
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: and in different places, and I love those spots. But

690
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: every time I get one where I get like a

691
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: public land area where I'm like, this place is going

692
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: to be good year to year and it's I could

693
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: go back there and probably kill big bucks or at

694
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: least have encounters. I find myself looking for new places

695
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: and and you know, it's a weird. It's it's kind

696
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: of counter to a lot of what boat or a

697
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: lot of what deer hunting is about right now, where

698
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: it's you know, kind of get your amazing spot, build

699
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: it up and and you know, kind of raised the

700
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: deer and have that experience. And I'm just not I'm

701
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: not wired for that very well. I like new stuff,

702
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I always talk about it like I

703
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: have a really good buddy who I hunt with quite

704
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: a bit, especially bird hunt with a lot, and he's

705
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: the kind of guy who, you know, if you were

706
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: talking fishing, he would park at the bridge walk below

707
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: the bridge and drown a nightcrawler in the biggest hole

708
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: under the bridge for an entire day. And if I

709
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: got down there, I would I would start walking up

710
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: stream and all of a sudden I would realize it's sunset.

711
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm seven miles from my truck, you know what I mean.

712
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a difference and how we're wired,

713
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: know what you mean? That's that's me right there too.

714
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: I always wonder what's over the next hill, What's what's

715
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: around the corner, what next thing? Could I try to

716
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: figure out that that's the thing for me. That's what

717
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: I love about this stuff. It's that problem solving, that's

718
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: an exploration. Uh I can't beat it. So okay, so

719
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: what about the next So there's like the next adventure,

720
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: Like you want to figure out these new things, you

721
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: want to see these new places. But if I were

722
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: to say, what is the thing like you need to

723
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: not go to, not the thing you'd go do, but

724
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: the next thing you have to get better at or

725
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: something like if if Tony Peterson the Hunter were to

726
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: become Tony Peterson the Hunter two point oh, what if

727
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: you had to elf diagnose like your weak spot or

728
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: the thing you had to work on next? What do

729
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: you think that would be? Probably Western critters. I just

730
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, I've really only recently started elk hunting, and

731
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of you know, that's an activity I do

732
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: where I feel like there's a big knowledge gap for me,

733
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, for for white tails. I don't know, I

734
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: don't know what's left for me other than new states

735
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: and new places, you know, new challenges, and just keep

736
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: pushing the public land thing and going to new areas

737
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: because that, you know, kind of like what you talked

738
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: about would be in weired similar to me with the

739
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: what's around the bend and over the hill. You can

740
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: keep you know, stoke in that fire, even in the

741
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: deer world, even in states close to where you live

742
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: or in state by just going to new places and

743
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: the mystery is there, and the chess game is there

744
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. And so I don't know if

745
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: if I don't know how I would classify what I

746
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: need to do to be the two point o version.

747
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure where to go with that.

748
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Uh so are you plan do more Western stuff? Are

749
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: you doing more this year? Yeah? Well hopefully. Um I've

750
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: got I'm hoping to have a mule deer tag and

751
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I've got another ten days blocked off in

752
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: September to go elk hunting. So yeah, I'm gonna mix

753
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: in some you know, I try to do at least

754
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: one Western trip of year, just because you know how

755
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: it is. You got to get it into the mountains.

756
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: I gotta. If you live at eight feet like I do,

757
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: when you're surrounded by cattail swamps, you want to see

758
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: some some elevation, want to see something. You want to

759
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: see farther than a hundred yards. Yep, Yeah, I can

760
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: totally relate to that. Um. So, um, you talked about scouting.

761
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: Let's I have no plan with this conversation, so it's

762
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: been going wherever wherever it takes me. But you mentioned

763
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: how much you love scouting. Uh, it's that time of

764
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: year and so much of what makes you you seems

765
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: to be just that next level scouting that you are

766
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: able to undertake. We've talked in past years about a

767
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different tactics. We talked about some of

768
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: the different hunts you've been on, but I don't know

769
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: if we've ever dove deep into like what a spring

770
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: and summer of scouting looks like for you. Um, can

771
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: you walk me through what's to come this year? I mean,

772
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: are you scout? Do you have trips planned to some

773
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: of the other states to scout, or you just hitting

774
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: local stuff a lot? What's your actual scouting schedule look like?

775
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: If you can describe that at all? Um. I actually

776
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: got asked this by a a guest or one of

777
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: the guys at my seminar at the Deer Classic. He said, well,

778
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: how many days a year do you spend scouting? And

779
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: I said, well, if you talk e scouting and boots

780
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: on the ground. It's kind of haunted me since then

781
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: because I couldn't really answer it. I'm like, I don't know,

782
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: it's a lot um and it's it's still like something

783
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: I think about and really, right now, man, a lot.

784
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of in state boots on the

785
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: ground stuff. We're we're One of the things I've really

786
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: been doing a lot this year that it's a little

787
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: bit different than in the past. Is I spent some

788
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: time in southeastern Minnesota on this farm that I have

789
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: permission to hunt, really trying to figure out core areas

790
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: because the farm is getting the timber is getting really mature,

791
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: and you know, we lost antler point restrictions last year

792
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: and and party hunting is back on. So the kind

793
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: of hunting that's occurring on that farm, especially during shotgun season,

794
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: is changing. It's getting easier for them to kill a

795
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: bunch of deer, and so finding those little core areas

796
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: that are thick and out of the way and hard

797
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: to approach is it's gonna be real important for me

798
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: from now on. And so I spent quite a bit

799
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: of time and probably January through a week or two

800
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: ago driving down there and just looking for these areas

801
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: and going, Okay, last year, somebody really big spent a

802
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: lot of time on this ridge or this point, and

803
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: I know some of those bucks got killed, But I

804
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: also know that when you find an area like that

805
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: through through winter scouting, it'll get filled in by somebody else,

806
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: so there'll be another mature buck in there. And I'm

807
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: really thinking that what I found. I found two areas

808
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: that just really got me excited, like little tight spots

809
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: that it was clear, you know, big big deer, we're

810
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: using them. And so I kind of want to do

811
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: a sort of a dual strategy this summer to figure out,

812
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, if if they're living there in the summer,

813
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run some cameras around there and leave them

814
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: for a couple of months, and then I'll do some

815
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: long range glassing to see who's in the area and

816
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: kind of sort of take a headcount and just get

817
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: a feel for all. Right, you know, you can kind

818
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: of watch those bucks in the summer and go, Okay,

819
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: that's the oldest one. He's probably going to take over

820
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: that spot, or you can see some of those her

821
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: dynamics play out a little bit on who's probably the

822
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: top dog, and it might not be the biggest buck,

823
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: but you kind of see how they act. And so

824
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: give me an idea of how to tie in that

825
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: stuff to what I found this winter, and I'm I'm

826
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: pretty excited about that. When you look for those those

827
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: core areas, you said you're looking for these tight little spots.

828
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: How tight are we talking? Like? Are you saying I

829
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: want to find the one acre two acre thicket that

830
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: I think they're in, or is it this forty acre

831
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: swamp um down there? It's it's pretty small man, couple

832
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: acres tops and it's all related to ridges and how

833
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: they can bed with you know, prevailing wind blowing down

834
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: the ridge and what they can see trying to sneak

835
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: up hill to them, and it's it's it's always a

836
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: good lesson to me, and that kind of because that's

837
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: bluffy close to the Mississippi River type of stuff. So

838
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: it's pretty up and down for Minnesota. But what it

839
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: always reminds me of is when I find that and

840
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: I stand there, I feel like I'm thinking about Western

841
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: hunting and and you know, when you watch a meal

842
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: deer bed in a mountain basin or in the in

843
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: some breaky territory. You just look at it and go,

844
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't by accident, Like there's always a reason.

845
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: You know, the wind is in their faver they can

846
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: see a whole bunch of stuff. The approaches aren't so

847
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: great for predators, and we don't watch that in white Tail.

848
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: So we have to piece that together by what we

849
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: find in the sign we find and so sometimes and

850
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, depending on if I'm hunt in Wisconsin or

851
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: some other state, in bigwood stuff, it's a different kind

852
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: of core area that like you're talking about with the

853
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: swamps and the it might be a bigger area just generally.

854
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: But this stuff that I'm talking about is pretty egg

855
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: dense and it's deciduous forests, and so there isn't a

856
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: ton of super thick cover, and so it's tied to

857
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: the terrain features and where they can where they can

858
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: really bed down on, you know, at least throughout the fall.

859
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: That's what they were doing and and have a lot

860
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: of things working in their favor. How are you gonna

861
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: act on that? Then? So you're gonna you found a

862
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: couple of those spots, You're gonna go back in the

863
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: summer and glass the nearby crop fields to try to

864
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: figure out who's there and who's probably inherited that that zone.

865
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: Are you gonna have some preset stuff on the edges

866
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: of that that you're like planning? Okay for sure, now

867
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: that I know this core areas here, I want to

868
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: have a couple of options right around it. Or how

869
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: do you foresee building hunting strategy around each of these spots?

870
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: Um one of them? One of them, I think I'm

871
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: gonna have to just go in and hang and hunt

872
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: close to the rut because just because of the way

873
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: it's located, it's just to approach it is really tough,

874
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: and so I think you kind of need the advantage

875
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: of having having the rut and and maybe some some

876
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: daylight movement in there. The other one, you could you

877
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: could follow one of the most prominent rub lines out

878
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: of it towards some fields and he could stick to

879
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: a a wooded ridge for probably I don't know, a

880
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: couple of hundred yards and when he was leaving in

881
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: certain directions, and it will allow for a couple of

882
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: different wins, and it's it sets up a little easier

883
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: to maybe try to kill that deer either opening weekend

884
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: or staging sometime in October, and so for that deer

885
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: I'll probably go in and hang a standard two and

886
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: tack a trail for the other spot with with a

887
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: difficult approach. I don't, I don't. I haven't figured it

888
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: out yet. I'm not sure. Now, what about your out

889
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: of state scouting. I know you've talked past about doing

890
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: these turkey hunt slash scouting trips. Do you have any

891
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: of that plans here? Yeah, I'm I'm heading down to

892
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: Iowa the end of April, third week April. At some point,

893
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: I drew a tag down there to go scout. You know,

894
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: I'll running gun for turkeys like I did last spring

895
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: in this spot, but I'm I'm mostly scouting for deer

896
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: um on the idea that I'm going to draw the

897
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: Iowa tag this year because I have enough points. I've

898
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: just been waiting to find some public land that I

899
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: felt like burning them on. And it's been a little

900
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: bit of a process for me, and I finally I

901
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: think I hit on it last year. And so if

902
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: I if I get down there and I turkey out

903
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: for a few days and I go, yep, this is

904
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: as good as I remember it, then I'm gonna draw

905
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: that tag, and if you know, if that goes well,

906
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: I might skip over to some of that stuff in

907
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: Nebraska that I found at the end of the year

908
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: and and look at that. And I'm actually heading over

909
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: next week to scout some public land in Wisconsin that

910
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: I hunted last year and killed a buck on and

911
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: just just to figure it out more. So, Yeah, I guess.

912
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: I guess you could say I got a few plans

913
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: left to scout yet. Yeah, do you do anything different

914
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: from a scouting perspective now than ten years ago, Like,

915
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: has there been any major advancements in what you look for?

916
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: Or I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind of

917
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: curious about breaking your scouting process down more because a

918
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: lot of people meet myself. For a lot of years,

919
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: I would just walk around and look at stuff and

920
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: they go, Okay, cool, there's that, and there's that, and

921
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: and I've been recently trying to be more thoughtful I

922
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: guess about how I scout and making sure that I'm

923
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: not just noticing things or just I'm not just seeing things,

924
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: but that I'm somehow seeing them, noticing them and then

925
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: processing it into this like bigger picture that I can

926
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: actually act on um. I don't know if any of that,

927
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: if any of that resonates with you, But is there

928
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: anything that you're doing different now or at least that's

929
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: taking your scout into the next level and that kind

930
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: of way, um kinda. I mean I did the same thing,

931
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: you know, for a long time. I just walked through

932
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: and look for rubs and scrapes and go, Okay, well

933
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: this spot looks good, and then by the time the

934
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: season open, I'd forget most of it. And so I'm

935
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: trying to if I find a spot, I really try

936
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: to figure out how is it huntable or how is

937
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: it accessible? And how you know, when would I do that?

938
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: And so you know, it's because there's different things, right

939
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: you know. You you find you find a place with

940
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: a bunch of scrapes from last year, that's that's gonna

941
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: be a different timing thing than maybe that core area

942
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: with a bunch of rubs or that pinch point you

943
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: find along the river. And so just just trying to,

944
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: you know, gather as much good information and make as

945
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: many decisions as possible before I go try to hunt it.

946
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: So go you know, when you look at the woods

947
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: right now, you go, Man, if you want to sit here.

948
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: That's your true and this is how you probably want

949
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: to walk in. And then if you walked in there

950
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: in July, you all of that stuff would be erased

951
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: because it's just just the way things change, and it's

952
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: so easy to forget. And so you know, I started

953
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: marketing stuff on on X and and taking notes and

954
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: saying come in from the east, or don't hunt this

955
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: when the winds out of the north, and just trying

956
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: to like circumvent my own forgetfulness, I guess, and and

957
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: lay out as much of the plan as you can

958
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: as early as possible. Yeah. So, then is there anything

959
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: in the summer that you do find particularly helpful other

960
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: than just glass and fields to see what's in the area? Um?

961
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: Any summer scouting other than that kind of thing and

962
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: trail cameras I suppose, Um not really. I mean, I

963
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: think the glassing thing, I think that's just an enjoyable thing.

964
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the ways that we

965
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: get you know, we have the best chance to see

966
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: mature bucks then, and I think it does something for

967
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: us mentally to it there and watch them and take

968
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: some of the mystery away. And you know, I like,

969
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: I like doing the trail camera thing now where I'm

970
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to answer questions with them. I don't

971
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: I don't hang trail cameras on field edges anymore. It's

972
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, I know where dear like to eat. It

973
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: just doesn't. It's cool to get the pictures, but it

974
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter to me, And so I do a

975
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: lot of you know, kind of kind of staging area research.

976
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: I could, I guess you could call it with my

977
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: trail cameras now where I'm like, okay, I can't see

978
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: into the cover here. I don't know what these deer

979
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: doing in some of the thick stuff and how they're

980
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: traveling through it and using it, And so I like

981
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: to use trail cameras for that. You know, you get

982
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: some duds where you hang it in places where you're like, oh,

983
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really good, and you know,

984
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: it just isn't for whatever reason. And it might be

985
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: a timing thing, or it might be the spot, but

986
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: I just I try to force myself and I don't know,

987
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: I've talked about this a million times, but just just

988
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: to use them to actually answer questions instead of telling

989
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: me what I already know what are some of the

990
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: spots that you're putting them back in those staging areas

991
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: so they aren't done? Is it like a scrape location

992
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: is going to get you a little more activity? Or

993
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you because it's really easy to

994
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: pick field locations where you're probably gonna come out or

995
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: people put out bait or something like that to get

996
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: these pictures. But if you're setting back there to get

997
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: a question answered, that's probably a slightly lower trafficed area

998
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: not quite as obvious. How do you find the spot

999
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: within that spot to actually hang it? Trails typically, you know,

1000
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean, because you're not gonna see if you're walking

1001
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: in in June or July, you're not gonna see much

1002
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: from last year's sign, And so it's like, okay, you know,

1003
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: here's here's a trail coming off of this knob that

1004
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: I know they were betting on last year, and hang

1005
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: it and give it a month and see if that's

1006
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: what they're using, or you know there there is one

1007
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: thing I do with trail cameras a lot is you know,

1008
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: if you get out there right now and find those

1009
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: pinch points in those funnels. We always think of them

1010
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: from a rut perspective, but so so many of those

1011
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: spots or use them all year round. I mean just

1012
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: because they're the easiest place to go or one of

1013
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: the few limited options for they for their travel from

1014
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: point A to B, and so I like to I

1015
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: like to hang cameras on those spots a lot too,

1016
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: because those can tie in really nicely to staging deer.

1017
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: If you have a pinch point that's you know, between

1018
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: betting and food, and they you know they might stage

1019
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: there in September, you can they may be using that

1020
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: in June, July, August, September, right on through. And so

1021
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: again it's just it's hanging them in places like that

1022
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,959
Speaker 1: with trails, some kind of train feature maybe that'll push

1023
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: them through and just answer those questions do you do

1024
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: do you ever set cameras? This is something that not

1025
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: done as much as I want to do, but I

1026
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: want to do more of it. Where you place a

1027
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: camera somewhere that's really hard to get to, that you

1028
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: probably won't be able to get to it all during

1029
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: the season, but you set it there prior to and

1030
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: then you check it after the season to get those

1031
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: questions answered, Like you couldn't get it snuck gonna help

1032
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: you that year, but it'll tell you something for next year.

1033
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: Do you do that kind of thing. I've started to

1034
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: the last couple of years mostly because of how much

1035
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: I was getting my butt kicked in the big woods

1036
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: in northern Wisconsin. And it's it's beneficial to me anyway.

1037
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: From my experience. It's beneficial that I get to see

1038
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: all the deer that were they're moving in daylight that

1039
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: I didn't think we're there. But it's a conference booster. Yeah,

1040
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: just just like you know, if you're gonna go over

1041
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: there and you have one of those all day sis,

1042
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: you don't see a deer, you know, you can think, well,

1043
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: two years ago, you left four cameras up here, and

1044
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: there were three days during the second week of November,

1045
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: third week of November where mature Box moved through you know, whatever,

1046
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, And so it does work that way. But

1047
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: it also kind of gives me fits because it just

1048
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: it's one of those reminders that there's a lot of

1049
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: stuff going on out there that we don't know about,

1050
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: and when you get a glimpse into it, you go, man,

1051
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: there's there's you know, you might think you have this

1052
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: spot totally nailed, right, and then you do that and

1053
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: you check out, you know, three months of trail camera

1054
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: images in one of those areas, you go, man, there's

1055
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: a lot I didn't know about this, and so what

1056
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: what else are you missing? So you killed one of

1057
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: those big woods bucks out there last year? Right? Did

1058
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: you kill one the year before? It was last year?

1059
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: The first year in this general area. Um, I killed

1060
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: one last year and I killed one on that in

1061
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: that area in I think, so there there was a

1062
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: little gap there, but yeah, I've killed a couple. Do

1063
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: you feel like you've now that you've had a couple

1064
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: of glimpses like that? Has a light switched moment happened

1065
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: for you on that kind of in that kind of spot,

1066
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: Because when you said that, it just resonated with me

1067
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: with my big wood stuff up in northern Michigan, where

1068
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: I felt the exact same way, frustrated, wondering what's happening

1069
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: where they at? And then I put these cameras out

1070
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: last year and some of these deeper in the timber spots,

1071
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: and I had that exact experience where oh wow, there

1072
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: are these moving through here. There were a few days

1073
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: where it was really happening. So a new confidence booster.

1074
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: But then also okay, now how do I how do

1075
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: I adjust with this new stuff? Like have you had

1076
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: a light switched moment with the Big Woods hunting yet? Um?

1077
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: Anything there? Because I know we've talked on previous previous

1078
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: chats and a couple of years ago we broke down

1079
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: one of your seasons really trying to make it happen

1080
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: there in Wisconsin. And I'm just curious where you're right now.

1081
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: Um well, you know, just just as a side note,

1082
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: that where I killed the buck last year, UM, I'm

1083
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: not running cameras in there. That's public, and so the

1084
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: cameras that I ran over there were on private, and

1085
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: so they're kind of different. But the the thing that

1086
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: I think I've figured out out there over there to

1087
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: some extent is there are really good bucks on in

1088
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: that area, even though the density of deer's pretty low.

1089
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of predators, bad winners, all that stuff,

1090
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: But it keeps me, it keeps me really interesting and

1091
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: scouting over there and covering a lot of ground, and

1092
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: that I feel like it's kind of your ticket to

1093
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: refinding those deer. And I don't I don't know if

1094
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: this makes sense or not, but where I killed the

1095
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: buck a few years ago. There was on this creek

1096
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: bottom thing that I had found. It was on a

1097
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: crossing and it was I thought all my questions were answered.

1098
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: When I killed that buck. I saw another big one

1099
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: in there. Um, I was like, okay, this is I

1100
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: got the spot. Well last year, I should I guess

1101
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: I should say two years ago. You know, the secret

1102
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: got out on that spot and there were people putting

1103
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: ladder stands in there, and the county that I hunt

1104
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: in you can bait, and so there were several people

1105
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: hunting around there that could drive a four wheeler close

1106
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: enough to it, that were running bait piles. And I'm

1107
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: trying to operate off a natural movement, and so that

1108
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: whole creek bottom thing blew up on me. It was gone,

1109
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't find a deer in there anymore. And

1110
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: so I started, I had a kind of reset and

1111
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: start winner scouting in there again. And I found the

1112
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: spot that I killed this buck on last year scouting

1113
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: the winter before. And it's the same deer that probably

1114
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: we're using the other area. They just moved to a

1115
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: little bit of a different spot. And so I don't

1116
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: would I say that I have this stuff figured out

1117
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: in the big woods. No, like, not even close. I'm

1118
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: better than I was five years ago. But I'm telling you, man,

1119
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: and I know you've seen this in Michigan. I don't

1120
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything more difficult than hunting big

1121
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: woods deer in low density situations where you've got a

1122
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: lot of predators and a lot of winter mortality. It's

1123
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: just tough. Man. What of all the hunting you do, then,

1124
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: is the herd or not the hardest? That was the hardest.

1125
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: What's the easiest situation? Uh? Well, some of the some

1126
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: of those Western White tales are awful, awful friendly as

1127
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: far as allowing for some mistakes and and for real,

1128
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, long distance patterning and sticking to their their trails.

1129
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: But I think for for me, the easiest is the

1130
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: places I hunt in Minnesota where I can do a

1131
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: bunch of work, where I can you know, hang stands

1132
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: and trim shooting lanes and and you know, put it

1133
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: piece together the whole year, and you know, because it's

1134
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: so close to home, and you can do all the scouting,

1135
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: you know that. But that's private land. As far as

1136
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: public land, you know, the easiest stuff is just getting

1137
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: to where there's a decent amount of deer and not

1138
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: very many people, which is probably not gonna surprise anyone, right,

1139
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: but a good foundational truth to keep in the back

1140
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: of your mind when making plans for future hunts. Right, yep,

1141
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: big time. So I think we chatted in late September

1142
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: or early October last year. I think was the last

1143
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: time we had during the show, and you've already killed

1144
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: three bucks maybe, is that right at that point? And

1145
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: I think you tagged a couple more by the end

1146
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: of the year. Uh five five buck text field last year?

1147
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: Is that possible? Four I killed four bucks to doing

1148
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: a bull ELK. So I think when we talked, I

1149
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: was actually I think I was driving to Colorado. It

1150
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: could be. So that's a good season. It was. That's

1151
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: probably understatement of the day there, but that was a

1152
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: good season. Do you think there was any theme to

1153
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: your twenty nineteen year or what or could you point

1154
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: to any like underlying thing that was consistent across all

1155
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: that success that led to it being such a good

1156
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: year other than I'm going to take away one option,

1157
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: which is gonna be you can't say because you scout

1158
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: it so much to talk about that a lot. Is

1159
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: there anything else do you think could have been like

1160
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: your key to success if we wanted to give that

1161
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: cliche title to it. Um, you know, it's probably tied

1162
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: back to the what we talked about earlier about shrug

1163
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: and off the bad stuff, you know. I mean, it's

1164
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: it's so easy when you when you have a year

1165
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: like that too, it's easy to boil it down and

1166
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: just be like, wow, that's that's a lot of success.

1167
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: But you know, there were a pile of times that

1168
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: I had somebody else come in, or I bumped a deer,

1169
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: I got busted, or you know, I had three weeks

1170
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: last year. You know, I didn't hunt every day, but

1171
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: I hunted a lot where I never saw a deer.

1172
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I had three weeks in a row where

1173
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: I didn't lay eyes on anything other than squirrels and songbirds.

1174
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: And so it's kind of like just keeping at it

1175
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: and and and relying on that plan and the strategy

1176
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: and and just being comfortable with that kind of stuff

1177
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: to just keep going. And you know, it's kind of

1178
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know how it is like you can

1179
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: have an amazing year and just not close very well,

1180
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: and so you just you have those encounters and you're

1181
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: seeing deer all the time and it's just fun to hunt,

1182
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: but you don't, you know, like in the in the

1183
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: Body Count Ellie, it's just not that great. Or you

1184
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: can have those years where you're not like you're not

1185
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: bumping into tons of deer, but when the right one

1186
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: shows up, you make it happen. I kind of had

1187
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: that last year, like I didn't have I just wasn't.

1188
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't having like bang up hunts where it was

1189
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: like amazing deer encounters constantly, but it was like when

1190
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: one of them did make a mistake, it worked out

1191
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: pretty well for me. Do you ever do you ever

1192
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: feel do you what am I trying to stay here?

1193
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts then? For so do you come

1194
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: into being like I'm gonna roll, I've got things rolling,

1195
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: I've got momentum. Uh, this is gonna be a great year.

1196
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: Or do you ever have this? Uh worry about the

1197
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: pendulum effect where the lucky rabbits foot paid off last year?

1198
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: This year, probably those little things that did go your way,

1199
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: the tiny you know, one percent in details that sometimes

1200
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: make all the difference. Now, maybe just the odds this

1201
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: year might slip the other way. Well, buddy, I live

1202
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: in terror of that because it's it's gonna happen for

1203
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: me eventually. I mean, I've had I've been on a

1204
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: good run for a while, and I just, you know,

1205
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: like my buddies keep reminding me, like, man, you're going

1206
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: to have just a clunker at one of these years,

1207
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just it'll happen, and it's it's okay,

1208
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I don't I know, I know,

1209
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: no matter what, I'm gonna probably fill my freezer up

1210
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: one way or the other. And so that's that's kind

1211
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: of a relief, you know. I mean, I don't anticipate

1212
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: a year where I can at least put a couple

1213
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: of dolls in the freezer, and so as far as

1214
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: you killing a bunch of public Land bucks every year,

1215
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's I know it's coming. I don't know

1216
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: if it'll be this year or not. I mean, I'm

1217
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: gonna I got some pretty good hunts planned this year,

1218
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: and I've I've got some high hopes. But I do

1219
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: know that, you know, Murphy's lack and step in, I

1220
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: know that eventually I could just flame out over and

1221
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: over again. And so I'm I'm trying to I'm trying

1222
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,439
Speaker 1: to like, uh, find some peace with that knowledge because

1223
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: it is probably coming. It's uh. It goes back to

1224
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: the idea that one of the best things you can

1225
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: do if your mental health is is learned to know

1226
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: what you can control and what you can't control and

1227
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: just come to peace with those two things. Because like

1228
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: you said, there's there's certain things are out of your hands,

1229
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: and the clunker might might be on his way. I

1230
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: don't I don't think it will happen though for it

1231
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: don't think you'll you'll find a way around it. Well,

1232
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate the vote of confidence there, Mark, What do

1233
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: you what do you think that of all the things

1234
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: you got planned? Um, what's your number one goal? And

1235
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna force you to be

1236
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: pretty specific with it. If if let's say, you can

1237
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: have one thing go right next year. I know you've

1238
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of hunts planned, You've got a lot

1239
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: of things you'd love to go right. But if I'm

1240
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: gonna tell you that everything's gonna go wrong except for

1241
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: one hunt or one specific thing, and if that one

1242
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: thing went right for you or you filled this one

1243
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: tag or you've got this whatever you'd say, damn it,

1244
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: that was a really good season. If if you can

1245
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: pick one success, what would it be? Man, I I

1246
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: got one buddy who I hunt with a lot. He's

1247
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: we're both hoping we draw the any deer tags in

1248
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: North Dakota and he'll get an then he can hunt

1249
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: a mule here because he's never killed a mule deer

1250
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: there and he's hunted there quite a bit. And I

1251
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: really think I got a spot that he can do it,

1252
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: and so i'd like to if if that could go right,

1253
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: that would make me very happy. Um. I'd also really

1254
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: really like it if I could call in an elk

1255
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: for somebody. I'd love to. I'd love to be on

1256
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: the on the that side of it because I'm not

1257
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: a good out caller, and the buddies that I hunt

1258
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: with are always calling because they're better than me. So

1259
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: I'd like to flip that script because it's so fun,

1260
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, in the Turkey world, taking somebody out and

1261
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: and kind of kind of directing that situation and being

1262
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: the one who calls him in. So I'd like that

1263
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: to happen a lot. I'd like to just call and

1264
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: call an elkin for somebody, Um, as far as you

1265
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: know what, I'm what, I'm hoping to get out of

1266
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: the season, like you know, with the Iowa tag or

1267
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm like, I'm kind of wide open, man.

1268
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, We've talked about this a whole bunch. I

1269
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: got a hell of a range. When it comes to

1270
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: the size of buck I'll shoot and I'm just not

1271
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, I like a full freezer. I like, I

1272
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: like a lot of stuff out of it. So I'm

1273
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: just I'm just hoping we we all get to go hunting,

1274
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Speaker 1: and we're not We're not looking at shutdown seasons or anything.

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Speaker 1: And I think if we do get to go, then

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: there'll be lots of good stuff that happens. That's a

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01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: good point. I gotta ask, though, when it comes to Iowa.

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01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: You've waited, you've got you've stacked up points, you've waited

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01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: for the right spot to look good. Are you gonna

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01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: be pickier in Iowa this year than you might be

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01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: in other states? Or you pretty loosely goosy with it.

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01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: I think I'll be I think I'll be somewhat picky,

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01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: provided that I'm right about the amount of pressure in

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01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: the area. I'm at if I get in there, you know,

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01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm kind of putting all my eggs in one basket.

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01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: And if I get in there and there's a lot

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01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: more pressure than I thought, I might drop those standards

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01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. But it kind of all depends, you know,

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01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: it will depend on how much time I have. I'm

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01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: hoping to I'm hoping to be down there camping for

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01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: like ten days during the rut, which you know that

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01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: really gives you some some leeway. So you know, I

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01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to burn it on a scrapper, but

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01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: well we'll see, you know, I don't. I don't want

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01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: to commit myself to anything. I'm gonna use a bunch

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: of weasel words here for you because I don't know

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01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: how it's gonna play out. But you know, it's a

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01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: highway tag. I mean, I'm gonna try to use it

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01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: and kill a decent one. Do you worry at all?

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01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: This is totally off topic? You know, we're not totally

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01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: off topic, but it wasn't. Well, I don't know what

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01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying. What I'm trying to say is that do

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01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: you worried of all about the attention that public land

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01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: hunting in Iowa? Has gotten Over the last couple of years.

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01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of attention to public land hunting

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01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: in Iowa. Lately, a lot of people have realized how

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01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: good it can be. Now maybe more they always do.

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01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: I was great, but maybe it was Okay, you gotta

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01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: have a big lease, so you gotta have a private farm,

1310
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: and you've gotta you know, all that kind of stuff.

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01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: Now that's oh yeah, there is great public land even

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01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: though even though there's not a ton of it, there's

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01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: some of it. Do you have any worries that you

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01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: might get to this year it's flooded? Uh No. And

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01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: here's why I've been thinking about this a lot. We

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01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: one of the biggest barriers to public land hunting success

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01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: is believing that kind of stuff is gonna like really

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01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: affect your hunt. And so you know, I kind of

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01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: say that with an asterix, right, Like, if you get

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01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: into a place that is overloaded with people, it sucks.

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01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,959
Speaker 1: And I've been there a few times in my life,

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01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: but almost always I find that even places that are

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01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: seemed to have a fair amount of hunting pressure, like

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01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: you're really dealing with people, there's always deer in there

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01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: that would make me happy and I'm I'm seeing this

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01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: just to it everywhere I go, you know, Oklahoma, the Dakotas,

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01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: wherever if I put in some work, I can, I can,

1328
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: even if I don't kill them. I'm seeing bucks that

1329
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: are awesome. And it's it's one of those things where

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01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: it's like we we we are really kind of drawn

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01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: to the excuse or the you know, like the way

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01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: out if we're not successful. So if you you know,

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01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: sit here and say, well there's there's too many people

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01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: on public land in Iowa, like that's a relative thing, man,

1335
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: And and really you still get to bow hunt the

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01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: entire rut in a place with very few predators, um,

1337
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: no winner mortality to speak of for the most you know,

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01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: you might have some HD areas, not probably not where

1339
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,919
Speaker 1: I'm going, but generally you're hunting a pretty good place

1340
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: no matter what, whether there's a lot of pressure or not.

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01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: And so it's sort of all relative. And I'm I'm

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01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: really not concerned. I mean, you're seeing this too. I'm

1343
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: sure there's just there's a lot of people out on

1344
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: public land all over now. It's it's freaking popular, and

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01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: so why I would be any different. It's just not

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01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: gonna be Yeah, that's a good point, and it's kind

1347
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,919
Speaker 1: of a good way to wrap it up to when

1348
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: it comes to just maybe that's your superpower. It's your superpower, Tony.

1349
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: Isn't that you love scouting so much. It's not that

1350
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: it's not that you gotta lucky rabbit's foot. I think

1351
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: it's that you are able to find the best in

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01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: anything and not except the first door that might be

1353
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: blocked as the only door. It seems like you tend

1354
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 1: to be really good at opening the first one seeing

1355
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: that there's a cement block in the way, but then

1356
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: going to the next one, and if that one leads

1357
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: off a cliff, you go to the next door. And

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01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: maybe if that third door has got a dog chain

1359
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: to a fence post and he's barking, and barking is

1360
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: a dangerous situation, you go find the window and you

1361
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: crawl through when you make it happen. That might be

1362
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: the Tony Peterson superpower. And I think that's a good

1363
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: place to end it. Uh, it was an odd analogy,

1364
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: but I stuck with you the whole time. Man. That's

1365
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: kind of in the story of anyone who's ever listened

1366
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: to this podcast. If you can, you can stick with it.

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01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: There might be something there, definitely, Uh, Tony, I appreciate it. Uh,

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01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: it's always fun to catch up. I wish we could

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01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: do it even more and and I'm excited to hopefully,

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01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: hopefully our plans work out. Hopefully we can share a

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01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: hunting camp together this year too and do a lot

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01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: more of this. Let's do it, buddy, Alright, folks, that

1373
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,480
Speaker 1: is a rap. I hope you enjoyed that, UM, hopefully

1374
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: for for an hour or so you were able to

1375
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: take your mind off of some of the events, the

1376
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: current events of the day that can be a little

1377
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: less enjoyable. Uh. And with that in mind too, if

1378
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: you're listening to this in the current time here in

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01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: April two thousand twenty, UM, I'm just wishing you all

1380
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 1: the best. I just want you to know that I

1381
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking and praying and uh hoping for all the

1382
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: best health for all of you. Please stay safe, please

1383
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: stay well, um, and I hope we'll get to chat

1384
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:04,440
Speaker 1: again soon. Thanks for listening, and until next time, stay

1385
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: wired to hunt. H