1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Revels as a production of I Heart Radio. Hello everyone, 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: and welcome to Rivals, the show about music feuds and 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: beefs and long swimming resentments between musicians. I'm Steve and 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm Jordan. And today we're gonna talk about the two 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: greatest female rappers of the tens, Nicki Minaj and Cardi B. 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: It's fair to say, right, oh, absolutely, we don't really 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: need another excuse to pit female artists against one another. 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: There's sort of a minor through line of this one, 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: and it was the race to be the first solo 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: female rapper to hit number one since Lauren Hill. And 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: for most of the twenties tens, it really seemed like 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj was poisoned to it. She seemed to have 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: it all locked up. Yeah, I mean because for many 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: years Nicki Minaj not only was she like one of 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: the biggest female rappers around, like she was one of 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: the biggest rappers period. And then all of a sudden, 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: a former exotic dancer, reality show star, and political science 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: major named Cardi B came along, and while you would 19 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: think that these two could both coexist, they entered into 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: a rivalry that would soon devolve into smack talking and 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: shoot throwing. I can't believe that this is the first 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: episode of our show involving throwing shoes. I mean this 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: is true. Wow, Yeah, truly historic episode here. So Cardi 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: b versus Nicki Minaj, let's get into this mess now. 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: I like probably most people first became aware of Nicki 26 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: Minaj listening to her verse on monster track from Kanye West. 27 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: My Beautiful, Dark, Twisted Fantasy Incredible Verse. Yeah, I mean, 28 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: I feel like that's one of the most famous verses 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: of the twenty one century. I mean like Nicki Minaj 30 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: sounds possessed in a way. I almost feel like she 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: steals that record, at least on that track. Oh absolutely, 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: I feel like she's doing like six characters whenever. Whenever 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: I listened to it, I see like Linda Blair's head 34 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: spinning or something like it. Definitely, it's it's freaky to 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: listen to and and I'm gonna tip my hand early. 36 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: I think Nicki Minaj is the our superior rapper. But 37 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: I also kind of feel like she never really lived 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: up to the potential of that verse. Is that is 39 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: that fair to say? You think? Yeah, it's funny because 40 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: you know when you think about all the different accents 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: that she does. She doesn't remind me of a great 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: character actor, you know, like the person that you're going 43 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: to put into your movie and they're just gonna dominate 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: three or four scenes and and just be great. But 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: like if you put that person as the star of 46 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: the movie, it's a lot of times it doesn't work. 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: You know. You want them to be more of like 48 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 1: an added ingredient, not the main course. Which I guess 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of a weird thing to say about the 50 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: best selling female rapper of all time. I mean, she's 51 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: obviously done very well commercially, but you're right, I think 52 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: creatively speaking, like that monster versus it's so indelible, and 53 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: I feel like her solo catalog never really lived up 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: to it. No, I mean, as you said, I mean 55 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: she's got some great songs. I mean Your Love and 56 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: super Base from her her first album, Pink Friday. Um. 57 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: You know, the album went number one on Billboard. It did, right, 58 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: But like you said, I was. I was definitely much 59 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: more excited about her before she released her debut LP, 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: because I just I wanted to see, you know, what 61 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: kind of like hip hop opera she would do. With 62 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: all these characters or something on her album, and it 63 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: didn't really come across that way, and I'm it left 64 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: me a little cold. But Nikki, as you said, playing 65 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: the long game best selling female hip hop artist ever, 66 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: whereas Cardi B just exploded. She just emerged on the 67 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: hip hop scene with her anthem forever in and she uh, 68 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: she got her start. Probably most people first knew her 69 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: as the breakout star of Loving hip Hop. I don't 70 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: know you a Loving hip Hop fan, Steven. Yeah, I 71 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: gotta make a confession here. I've never seen the show 72 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: Loving hip Hop, and I have to confess that I'm 73 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: a little confused about, Like how did Cardi B turn 74 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: into like this pop superstar because she was on a 75 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: v H one reality show. Like I felt, I feel 76 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: like you end up on a VH one reality show 77 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: at the downturn of your career. Yeah, like when you're 78 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Brett Michaels wearing the bandana that like holds the wig 79 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: on your head, you know, like that is who I 80 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: associate with H one reality shows. But like Cardi B, 81 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: like that was her first springboard, Like how did that work? 82 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: I actually used to work at v H one when 83 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: she first got hired, so we we saw a lot 84 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: of Cardi B. A lot factor, yes, exactly, and she 85 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: was a a social media star really, I mean sort 86 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: of the the outrageous Cardi B that you know and 87 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: love with just you know, all the crazy stuff she 88 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: says that she was that on Snapchat and Instagram and 89 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: she parlaid that into, uh, into getting a spot on 90 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: this reality show. I mean, she's just custom made for 91 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. I mean she everything that you see, 92 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: she's so real. I mean that's one thing you can't 93 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: falter for, is that all the crazy stuff she says 94 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: and just how outland is she is. I mean that 95 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: that really is how she is when the cameras aren't 96 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: even on, which is you know, endearing. I think it's 97 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: her authenticity is definitely very apparent. Yeah. It was really 98 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: to watch though, because I you know, they would hire 99 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: these people for love and hip hop and you know 100 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: that they weren't made for the most part. Stevie J 101 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: And there were a few big producers on the show, 102 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: but for the most part, they weren't major acts. Ca 103 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: Michelle was another was probably the biggest one that was 104 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: there at that point, and she released this song and 105 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: you think, oh, that's cool, like a reality star trying 106 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: to make it in music. You know, you see this 107 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: all the time. It wasn't really anything I paid much 108 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: attention to. You're saying like Stevie J and and it 109 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: was ak Michelle, I have no idea what you're talking about. 110 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: That's going way over my head with this. Michelle has 111 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: got some good songs from the early two thousand tens. 112 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: I definitely some good pop stuff. I recommend checking her out. 113 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: Michelle stand right, Yes, I would say so, Yeah, I 114 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: don't know if it's Michelle, I like it. I don't 115 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: know if it's like Stockholm syndrome from working at H 116 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: one for so long. But she's she's worth it. But 117 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: so when Cardivan comes on the scene, she releases some 118 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 1: songs early on mixed tapes. I didn't pay much attention 119 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: because I just, you know, it's a reality start trying 120 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: to make it in music. Happened the time, It dozen 121 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: happens all the time. And then it just kept going 122 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: and kept going and got bigger and bigger and bigger, 123 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: and it was wild to watch. It was absolutely explosive. Yeah, 124 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean you have remember that song I like It 125 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: that came out in which has been streamed on Spotify. 126 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: I just checked over a billion times and I'm guessing 127 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: on YouTube it's it's probably approaching that same number. And 128 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: she was also on that terrible Maroon five song girls 129 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: Like You, which eat that song, but it was an 130 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: enormous song. And and then of course she drops her 131 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: debut album, Invasion of Privacy, which that just goes through 132 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: the roof, just a huge hit. It is. This is 133 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: an insane stat I don't want to give too many stats, 134 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: but this was it's the first album by a female 135 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: artist to have the entire track list certified gold or higher. 136 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: The entire track list went gold or higher like that. 137 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: That's that's that's insane. I mean. And we've yet to 138 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: mention her her first number one hit, Bodak Yellow. That's 139 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: the song that takes her to the top of the chart. 140 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: She's the first female rapper since uh Lauren Hile to 141 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: do so. Uh And that's really when she starts being 142 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: mentioned in the same conversation as Nickimann. When when you 143 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: hit the top of the charts like that, that's when you, 144 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 1: I feel like when they make the period piece about 145 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: like the late two thousand tens, like that will be 146 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: one of the songs that they play, Like that will 147 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: be like the CCR of the two thousand tens. You're 148 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: gonna play Bodach Yellow by by Cardi B. I mean, 149 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: I feel like Cardi B is like the great example 150 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: of a pop star, like of the last maybe five 151 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: years or so, who really seemed to blow up and 152 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: come out of nowhere. Obviously she had the love and 153 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: hip hop background, but it seems like really with Bodach Yellow, 154 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: after that, it just seemed like she was everywhere, you know, 155 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: and she had the kind of success that goes beyond 156 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: just having chart hits, you know, because there's a lot 157 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: of people that do well on the charts, they may 158 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: even have number one hits, but like they don't become 159 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: like huge celebrities. And I think with Cardi B was 160 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: a combination of people loving her music but also loving 161 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 1: her story, Like she became the like go to talk 162 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: show guest. I feel like after that song hit it 163 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: big just because she was such a colorful character. She 164 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: had such a great background story. She's really funny. She 165 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: was smart, as I alluded to her before, she studied 166 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: political science and government in college, so she could like 167 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: talk with a lot of intelligence about politics going on. 168 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: She ended up being like best friends with Bernie Sanders 169 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: for a long time. I would have been already mate, 170 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: I would have voted that ticket. Oh yeah, I mean 171 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: it's not too late. Let's let's make that happen. Um. 172 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: And it just seems like with Cardi B. You know, 173 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: people love the music, but I think they loved her, 174 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: and I think they loved her up and comer, underdog story. 175 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: There's almost like an element of Rocky with her. You know, 176 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, the person who like comes out of 177 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: nowhere and they win the championship belt. And it was 178 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: just the kind of feel good story that I think 179 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: people like to get behind unless you're Nicki Minaj. Right, 180 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: maybe she wasn't as big as a fan. And it's 181 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: funny too, because like there's a lot of debate about 182 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: when this this feud sort of started. It's generally agreed 183 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: upon that fans saw what looked like Nicki Minaj liking 184 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: a fans Instagram comment where she dismissed Cardi B's rap 185 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: versus as quote dumbass bars Uh and Nicki Minaj apparently 186 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: liked this. There were some fans who said, no, it 187 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: could have been you know, photoshopped or whatever. So so 188 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: there's some debate about whether or not actually happened. But 189 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: what did happened was that Cardi B performed at the 190 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: Hot ninety seven festival in the summer with remy Ma, 191 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: who was a I was Nicki Minaj is major foe 192 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: at that point and uh and and she had released 193 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: a song called Sheath I believe it was called. And 194 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: so when you're sharing a stage with with remy Ma 195 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: that that doesn't really endear you to uh to Nicki 196 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: Minaj much, you know. I just I want to go 197 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: back to this Instagram thing, like was she liked the post? 198 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: And that was like you know, it's like when that 199 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: that Archduke Ferdinand guy got shot and that was the 200 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: beginning of World War One, you know, like that's I 201 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: think it wasn't like Arch dud Ferdinand I think shot him. Yeah, yeah, 202 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: that was like this here, and I just like to 203 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: picture like Nicki Minaj's finger like over the like buttons 204 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: and being like am I am I going to start 205 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: a war or not? And like just like staying suspended 206 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: there for like what feels like an eternity. It was 207 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: probably like a fraction of a second, but I just 208 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: like to imagine it being this very dramatic decision, like 209 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: am I going to start a war? Single thing. What's 210 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: interesting to me about this too, and I feel like 211 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: we're gonna probably talk about this a lot in this episode, 212 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: is that the way I've always interpreted this rivalry is 213 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj feeling threatened that Cardi B was essentially like 214 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: a different version of her, and that this was someone 215 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: coming along to take over her lane essentially, and uh, 216 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: which is kind of a sad thing because it really 217 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: speaks to the sexism of the music industry that like 218 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: couldn't exactly that you couldn't have like multiple female rappers 219 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: who were doing really well in the charts, and really, 220 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: like you look at the music scene now, there actually 221 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: are a lot of female rappers who are doing great. 222 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: I feel like that's actually changed a lot ever since 223 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: you know, like two thousand seventeen isn't that long ago, 224 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: but it seems like because of the success of you know, 225 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: first Nicki Minajs then Cardi B, it really proved to 226 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: the people that make these decisions that well, you don't 227 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: need to just have one female rapper, you can have 228 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: lots of female rappers, and in a way, it seems 229 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: like the most successful rappers now are all women, you know, 230 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: but back then it was maybe more of a novelty. 231 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean. And also you would think that 232 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: Nikki would kind of have a little more uh, sort 233 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: of sympathy for the up and comer because she got treated, 234 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: if I remember, sort of poorly by little Kim. Also, 235 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: so she's been in the in the Cardi position before, 236 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: and so I mean, well, we'll get to this more later. 237 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: So she did extend some some Ali branches and and 238 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: some footholds to Cardi, But yeah, you thought she would 239 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: have maybe gott a little easy on her. I think 240 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: some of the reason that maybe NK was feeling well 241 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: secure is that she had actually backed away from music 242 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: for a time after a breakup with Meek Mill, and 243 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: so that was kind of the perfect time for Cardi 244 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: to sort of come in too. So people were really 245 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: expecting a lot from Nikki having been away from a while, 246 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: and now there's this new person on the scene that 247 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: probably made things, you know, a little a little worse 248 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: for Nikki. And then there's also the dimension too, And 249 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna get to this in a second. But like 250 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: they're just seemed to be like an authenticity argument too, 251 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: in a way where I feel like Nikki has always 252 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: pushed the idea that she's a real rapper and Cardi isn't. 253 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: I feel like that ends up being a big narrative 254 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: in this ravelry, which is an interesting wrinkle. Yeah, but 255 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: the authenticity thing also cuts both ways too, because I 256 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: feel like most of Cardi's fans feel like she's always 257 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: just her. I mean, they know her through social media, 258 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: they know her through love and hip hop, Like there's 259 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: so much more of investment in her as a person, 260 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: whereas Nicki Minaj always just felt like a cartoon. She 261 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: had these like Lady Gaga like outfits and all these characters. 262 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: She would be Roman, she would do this British voice. 263 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's funny. The word authenticity is really interesting 264 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: in this feud too. But well, yeah, I kind of say, 265 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: like I love the Nicki accents she is. You know, 266 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: I mentioned character actor comparison earlier. I mean she's like 267 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: the Meryl Streep of hip hop, you know, like she's 268 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: done so many different accents, doing fake British accents. She's doing, 269 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: like you said, like the Exorcist accent um, she's incredible, Like, 270 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: I really like that aspect of what she's doing. But 271 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: you're right, like Cardi B does have that sort of 272 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: personal authenticity, that feeling that she's always going to be 273 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: herself no matter what, even if like people might be smirched. 274 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: Her sort of wrapping skills, Like the artistic authenticity is 275 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: maybe another issue, But I think before we dive into that, 276 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: we have to talk about um. Something that's I feel 277 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: like has caused a lot of problems in our society, 278 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: which is the Katy Perry song Switch Switch. I feel 279 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: like this song has ruined many lives for various reasons, 280 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,479 Speaker 1: but that and up being another major flashpoint in this rivalry. 281 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely Katy Perry the song that is really taking shots 282 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: at Taylor Swift. But she gets Nicki Minajen, who also 283 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: has her own problems with Taylor Swift. But that's another episode. Uh, 284 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: and Nicky raps a verse. She says, silly rap beefs, 285 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: just get me more checks. My life is a movie. 286 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm never offset me and Miami Goes No not offset now. 287 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: Offset is a rapper in the hip hop collective Me Goes, 288 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: and he's also dating and at the moment married to 289 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: Cardi B. So she's name dropping Cardi B's man. Uh 290 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: not good. Yeah, you don't when you're already having a 291 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: tenuous relationship, you really don't want to rap about the 292 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: other person's partner. That's that's just not you know, I 293 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know much about hip hop etiquette, 294 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: but I know that much and not to bring in 295 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: like another episode that we just recently did, but it 296 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: reminds me of the noelan Liam Gallagher episode where Liam 297 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: was talking about Noel's kids. Yes, and uh, that's that's 298 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: not good. Absolutely so. No. So we are now the 299 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: first people to liken this rivalry to Oasis, not the last. No. Uh. 300 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: Cardie is not happy about this. She goes on Instagram 301 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: Live and that's gonna be that's gonna be a fairly 302 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: common route for her to express her bile, her venom 303 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: throughout this feud um and she doesn't name names, but 304 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: she basically talks about, how, you know what this is 305 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: really tough. You know, when I was a a and 306 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: these are her words, a regular bitch from the Bronx 307 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: hood bitch, when somebody used to be fake to me, 308 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: it was cool because I could approach a bit and 309 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: punch her right in the closer, which I imagine his mouth. Um, 310 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: now that she's in the industry, you can't just deck 311 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: people like that. You've gotta like, you've gotta be nice 312 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: to him, and that that's that's tough. I mean, when 313 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: you got a problem with somebody and you can't express 314 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: it and you've gotta be fake nice For someone like 315 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: Cardi B, who isn't fake anything, that that's gotta be hard. 316 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: So she talks about that, she goes on Twitter and 317 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: she offers sort of a friendly reminder to everybody, don't compare, 318 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: don't put me against no other artist. I am Cardi 319 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: B and the only Cardi B in my own lane 320 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: and I'm rapping because I love too. Many took this 321 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: to be an obvious reference to the Nicki Minaj comparisons, 322 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: but again we have the reference to the lane. I'm 323 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: in my own lane, and it seems so embedded in 324 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: this thing. It's like they're fighting over what they feel 325 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: like is a real estate of like pop music, as 326 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: if they couldn't just have their own piece of real estate, right, 327 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really it's incredible, and she she keeps 328 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: going with this too. She performs at a summer festival 329 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: later that year, and she she doesn't mention Nicki's name, 330 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: but she talks about, you know, there's this this this 331 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: bitch out there. She's never liked me, but now that 332 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm successful, she wants to talk to me and must 333 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: be friends with me. And I'm just like, no, I, 334 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: I still don't like you. And so a lot of 335 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: fans thought that was also directed at Niki. There was 336 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: some people who thought that was about a cast mate, 337 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: Jocelyne Hernandez on Love and Hip Hop. I'm gonna go 338 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: with Nikki on that one. But yeah, and and yeah, 339 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: it's also just much more. It's better for us if 340 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: it's Nicki Minaj, so we'll just say it's Nicki Naj. 341 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: And by the way, I love hearing you read. Cardi 342 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: B quotes that it fills my heart with so much 343 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: joy to hear this, and we're gonna hear more of 344 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: that in this episode. Uh it makes me so happy. 345 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: But anyway, back to the this escalating rivalry, Nicki Minaj 346 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: decides to get into into the fray. On the song 347 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: No Flag, which is by London on the track with 348 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: twenty one Savage and offset who of course, as we've 349 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: already discussed, as Cardi B's I guess at the time 350 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: still boyfriend, but now is her husband. And there's a 351 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: line in that song where she says, I heard these 352 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: labels are trying to make another me. Everything you're getting 353 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: Little Home is because of me. Incredible line again, bringing 354 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's explicitly like laying it out what we've 355 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: been talking about, this this idea that there can only 356 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: be one prominent female rapper. As we said, Nicki Minaj 357 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: was a huge star in the early part of the 358 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: two thousands tens. She stepped way for a couple of years, 359 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: not really that long, but in pop music years, you know, 360 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: a year or two can be an eternity, especially now, 361 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: and in that time it was. That was enough of 362 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: an opening for Cardi B to establish herself and to 363 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: become famous. And and you can really hear the hostility 364 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: in Nicki Minaj's voice here, and I think ultimately insecurity, 365 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you're telling people that you 366 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: know you're not going to take away from me what 367 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: is mine, it probably means that you're afraid that someone's 368 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: going to take away like what is yours? You know. 369 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't that seem pretty transparent at this 370 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: point with Nikki Oh yeah, and this this came out 371 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: right after Cardi b signed this huge deal with Atlantic Records, 372 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: so I mean the timing of it was definitely suspicious. Yeah. 373 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: So Cardi weighed in on this, and uh, she I 374 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: guess goes on Twitter. By the way, I like all 375 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: the Instagram Live stuff because I feel like the first 376 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: time I heard about Instagram Live was from hip hop beefs, 377 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, like, and I wonder to what degree Instagram 378 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 1: was like funneling money into the hip hop wars in 379 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: order to like make Instagram Live more famous for people, 380 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: because I feel like that was great marketing for that brand. 381 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: That's me putting my conspiracy hat on with that. I 382 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: don't want to say that this is not a real rivalry, 383 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: but to me, that's very interesting that because I feel 384 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: like that helped really popularize that. But anyway, Cardi says, 385 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: I don't bother with these hoes, don't let those homes 386 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: bother me, which, of course our lyrics from the song 387 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: Bodac Yellow, So she could just be quoting her song 388 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: on Twitter. Maybe she's just like, hey, maybe people forgot 389 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: about this song, so I'll tweet some lyrics out about it. 390 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: But because of the timing, people assume, I think, probably correctly, 391 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: that she is firing back at Nikki And wasn't there 392 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: a controversy here too, that like did Cardi tell Nikki 393 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: not to be on the song or like, wasn't there 394 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: some weirdness there because you know, because of the Offset connection. 395 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: I I think that I'm trying to remember now, I 396 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: believe that Nicky's camp accused Cardi of preventing Offset and 397 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: Tony One Savage from doing the video for the song. 398 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: I think that was because, you know, dating Cardi and 399 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: she just, you know, doesn't that would be a bad 400 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: look if for your your boyfriend to appear in a 401 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: music video with your hip hop rival. That that's that's 402 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: sort of like the first sign of of you losing 403 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: the rivalry, I would say, right, especially when Nikki is 404 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: calling you a hoe, you know, because it's not even 405 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: just that this is like my rival, She's like running 406 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: me down in this song. So yeah, there's definitely a 407 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: conflict there. So you really feel feel the heat escalating 408 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: at this point. And that's what's so great about all 409 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: these subliminal disses too. Is that a lot of them 410 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: have explanations that could be perfectly innocent, like you said, 411 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's a line from Bodak Yellow, you know, 412 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: and that's what's what's so fun, like the multiple layers 413 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: of these And then you see that again on sort 414 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: of Nikki's what I'm or sorry. Cardis come back diss 415 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: on a song called No Limit with g Easy, which 416 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: many felt was a dig at Nikki. Um, there's a 417 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: great line, Cardi says, my career taken off. These hosts 418 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: jogging in place, swear these hose, run their mouth, How 419 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: these hose out of shape? Can you stop with all 420 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: the subs subliminals? Bitch, I ain't Jared, So that's a 421 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: a subway Jared joke. Incredible line, really great. Anytime you 422 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: can run down Jared, you gotta you gotta seize the 423 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: day with that Jared Jared Vogel Like there's no more 424 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: sort of uh, you know, attractive or like deserving target 425 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: than the subway guy. Drag's ass, drag Jared's ass. Any 426 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: chance you get all right hand, we'll be right back 427 00:21:48,880 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: with more rivals. So Cardis obviously asked about this. People say, 428 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 1: you know, is this that Nikki? And she denied it, 429 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: and this becomes a recurring theme, but she designs it 430 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: by saying, this is a quote. Nikki ain't never sucked 431 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: my man. This is her recurring line. I don't have 432 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: time for futing. If you're not sucking my man, or 433 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: if you're not taking money from me or stopping my money, 434 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: then I don't really give a funk about you. That 435 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: That is her quote. I think that's the golden rule, 436 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 1: isn't it? Like that's yeah exactly, It's like, hey, if 437 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: you're not fucking my man, we're all good, you know, 438 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: turn the other cheek. But really we don't believe that, right, 439 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean she was taking shots right, Oh yeah? I mean. 440 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: The music video comes out in December and a lot 441 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: of Nicki minaj Is fans are tweeting saying, you know, 442 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: this video looks she looks a lot like Nicki Minaj 443 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: in this, and Nikki couldn't resist chiming in on Twitter 444 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: and she writes, I'm glad you all peeked. I mean, 445 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad you all caught that that she's she's biting 446 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: my style. So that's happening. But it's so weird because 447 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: you've got like you said, there's like a lot of 448 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: sub them in a lot of subtweeting going on here. 449 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: But there's also kind of a facade that there being 450 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: friendly to each other. Because Cardi b ends up going 451 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: to number one in September with Bodak Yellow becomes the 452 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: first female m C two, you have a number one 453 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: hit since Lauren Hill. As we talked about before, this 454 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: was a milestone that many people assumed would have been 455 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: achieved by Nicki Minaj, but now Cardi b has done it, 456 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: and uh, nick Nicki minajh actually sensor note of congratulations. 457 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: She says congratulations to my fellow Nu Yaka. She says, 458 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: why a w k A on a record breaking achievement. 459 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: This is the only thing that matters. Enjoy it. And 460 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: then Cardi says back and says thank you with two 461 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: exclamation points. This means so much coming from you. Two 462 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: more exclamation points. So you're like, okay, there, this is 463 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: They're all good, right, Like you know, they're they're friends. Again, 464 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: we've got multiple exclamation points that denotes extra enthusiasm. So 465 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: there that's bullshit. Yeah, we know it's bullshit, but again, 466 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: they're sort of there's this idea that they're gonna be 467 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: friends and they're gonna work together. They end up together 468 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: on the mega song Motorsports, which comes out in October, 469 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: and uh, how would you describe this? I mean, this 470 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: is like two heavyweights squaring off against each other. This 471 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: is in the same room. Oh yeah. I always thought 472 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: this was like the female hip hop equivalent of Heat, 473 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: you know, but you know, together Cardi together, like you 474 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. I do what I gotta do. 475 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: If I got to take you down, I'm not gonna 476 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: like it, Cardi B. But if you're in my way 477 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: like Heat, I thought this song would have been better. 478 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: Heats fine, motor Sports fine. I enjoyed both. I thought 479 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: it could have been better given the star power. Motorsport 480 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: is fine. Heat is incredible. But anyway, please proceed. You know, 481 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 1: first of all, I just want to say I think 482 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj dominated that track. She's got lines like I 483 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: don't work in the office, but they copy in and 484 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: that's facts. Though. I ain't trying to be violent, but 485 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: if Nikki's on it, it slaps home. Get you lined 486 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: for that paper like loose leaf when that's strap blow. 487 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm with a couple of bad bitches that will rip 488 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: the party when you have a this line that incorporates 489 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: loose leaf paper. That's that's so good, right, And I 490 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: think this is another instance of like Nikki like it's 491 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: not her track, like she's a guest on the track, 492 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: but she's great like in her role, like she's busting 493 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: in and she provides such a like a jolt of energy. Um, 494 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to think of she's like Alec 495 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: Baldwin and like Glen Garry Glenn Ross, like you know, 496 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: comes in, gives one dynamite speech and you're like, holy 497 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: sh it, that guy's amazing. And but you watch a 498 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: lot of Alec Baldwin movies where he's the main guy, 499 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, that's fine, you know, not as good 500 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: as Glen Gary Glen Ross. Um. It's interesting because I feel, like, know, 501 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: like we were saying, there was there were these attempts, 502 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: I think, to show the public that these two like 503 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: didn't dislike each other, but people didn't really buy it, 504 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: and there were a lot of rumors that like I 505 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: think like people thought that Nicki Minaj actually conspired to 506 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: keep Cardi Bey off the track, and uh, she had 507 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: to kind of come out and say, like, no, that's 508 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: not true. Relax, breathe. Imagine me not knowing who's on 509 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: a song with me. These are men in our culture 510 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: who simply refused to let it go. They don't do 511 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: this to mail mcs, which she's just I mean, yeah, exactly. 512 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: There was this. It wasn't just coming from them, like 513 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, this hostility, but between Nikki and Carti, there 514 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: was also in the culture this idea of like, well, 515 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: Cardi is kind of like Nikki, maybe in a broadway, 516 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: because they're both women and they both have maybe a 517 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: similar style, uh, in the way that they wrapped, in 518 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: the way that they present themselves and their personas. But 519 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: like you know, we can only have one, so we 520 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: have to put them against each other. And I think 521 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: she was right to call that out, even though at 522 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: the same time it was true that there was actually 523 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: a tension. You know, it wasn't totally invented that they 524 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: didn't like each other, but it was certainly exacerbated by 525 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: how they were discussed in the public right. And it 526 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: gets it gets trickier in the interviews in the press 527 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: surrounding the release of the song too, because Cardi b 528 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: gives an interview where she says that, um, when she 529 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: heard the track, Nikki's verse was different, and and Nikki 530 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: reworked her verse later on after Cardi put hers on, 531 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: which doesn't sound like much, but it's a hip hop courtesy, 532 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: you know that it was a courtesy that Cardi wasn't afforded. 533 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: Nikki could go back after the fact and rework her 534 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: verse to sort of make it better and play off 535 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: of what Cardi was doing. But apparently, um, the line 536 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: that's hurt on the final track is if quevo the QB, 537 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm Nick Lombardi, you know, reference to football coach Vince Lombardi. 538 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: But it was originally if Cardi the QB, I'm Nick Lombardi. 539 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: So a slight when you could maybe kind of sort 540 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: of call a disc to Cardi before Cardi herself was 541 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: actually invited to be on the track, in which case 542 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: her record label Atlantic System that Nikki changed the line. 543 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: So Nikki comes out and says, well, of course I 544 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: changed my line. Your your label told me to. I 545 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to, you know, come back after the fact 546 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: and make mine better and show you up like your 547 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: your people told me to change this and Uh, Nikki, 548 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: she gave this like really tearful interview where I think 549 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: it was Zane Low in April, where she's really hurt 550 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: by this line, which is, you know, Cartie never says 551 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: anything nice about me, and the only Shiver says is 552 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: like I do you know, sneaky, underhanded ship like that, 553 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: and it really hurt. They're trying to paint me like 554 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: the bad person so that they can be the victim. Uh, 555 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: Which you know, I thought that was a really rare 556 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: moment of vulnerability for her too. I mean you actually 557 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: watch the clip. I mean she's really getting tearful and 558 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: she she feels like people are ganging up on her, 559 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: which you know is maybe a look inside that really 560 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: insecure person that you referenced earlier who feels like there's 561 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: only room in the lane for for her. Uh. And 562 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: it gets worse when the video comes out too. Yeah. 563 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I wondered too, to a 564 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: degree she felt maybe upstaged by Cardi at that point, 565 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: because it was clear that Cardi was ascendant, and as 566 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna discuss it in a minute here, Nikki was 567 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: on the downward trajectory at this point, and like I 568 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: think that really kind of comes to the four when 569 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: her next record comes out. But I gotta say, like, 570 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: I do think that's kind of a diss to say 571 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: that she's like the coach and Cardy is like, you know, 572 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: because again, it kind of establishes this thing that we've 573 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: been talking about that like Nikki and I think it's 574 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: fair to say that she created a path that allowed 575 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: Cardi and also like a lot of other female rappers 576 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: to follow in her wake. And of course Nicki wasn't 577 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: the first successful female rapper, but like, because she was 578 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: so big for a period of time, I think it 579 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: really did make it easier for other artists, you know, 580 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: to follow her. And it is a little bit of like, Okay, 581 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm putting you in your place, you know here by 582 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: saying I'm the coach and you're like, you know, the 583 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: the qb um as they say in hip hop as 584 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: in football. You know, winning isn't every think it's the 585 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: only thing. I seem like Cardy was winning here, and 586 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: I wonder, you know if that was driving Nicky a 587 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: little mad? Oh yeah, I mean fans were really talking 588 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: when the video came out, and they weren't in any 589 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: scenes together. Which is that you know, that's that's that's 590 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: never good. That's never good. And I mean Nicky claimed 591 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: it was some timing conflict. She had a hairdresser appointment. 592 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: That was I believe what it was, which is, you know, 593 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: I mean that's up there with like sorry, I can't 594 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 1: go on a date with you have to wash my hair. Uh. 595 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: It's really not that far removed from from that kind 596 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: of a lamb excuse, but but there we go. That's 597 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: that's the official version, is that she couldn't go because 598 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: she had a hairdresser appointment prevented her from attending the 599 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: taping when Cardi was taping well. And unfortunately, Nikki had 600 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: bigger problems on her plate than just hairdresser issues. Because 601 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: her record Queen, comes out in August. It's her first 602 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: record in in four years, coming after the Pink Print, 603 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: which was a big hit, and I remember like Queen 604 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: getting some like pretty good reviews, I think seven point 605 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: six from Pitchfork at the time, but like commercially speaking, 606 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: it was definitely a disappointment. And I think that there 607 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: was one single like Camera Chun Lee, I think it 608 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: was called. It was like a top ten hit, but 609 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 1: like you feel like that song. Like a lot of 610 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: songs that come from big ticket pop records, some singles 611 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: are like are too big to fail. I feel like 612 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: they kind of get that push because there's so much 613 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: industry momentum behind it, but there's not necessarily like a 614 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: lot of popular excitement for it. And you could tell 615 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: that Nikki was starting to feel like a little bit 616 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: of flop sweat at this point, maybe because she got 617 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: into that feud with a blogger. I forget what, like 618 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: the blogger that she write about queen or something I 619 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: I don't remember, like what made Nicki Minaj mad, but 620 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: like it was one of those instances like where you 621 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: have a very famous pop star who zooms in on 622 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: like one writer and she called her ugly and she said, 623 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: like you're jealous because I'm rich and famous and intelligent, 624 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: and uh, this writer actually got fired from their job 625 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: because like Nikki singled the blogger out and like all 626 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: Nicky's fans went after her. I mean, this is like 627 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: one of the terrible things that has happened in social 628 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: media in the last several years, like where pop stars 629 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: weaponize their followers against like a journalist. Um. And I 630 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: feel like this made Nicki Minaj look really bad. Oh yeah, 631 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: she had a lot of image problems in this time. 632 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: This is like like late summer. Well, because Queen got 633 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: to number two, didn't hit number one. It was kept 634 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: from the top spot by Travis Scott. And instead of 635 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: just being like, oh cool, I have a number two 636 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: album that's you know, still pretty damn good, she kind 637 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: of took the Joe Kennedy approach of second place as 638 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: a loser and went in on Travis Scott and basically 639 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: accused him of using his his girlfriend, uh, Kylie Jenner, 640 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: of using her massive social media platform to to push 641 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: for I think there was some kind of like sales 642 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: bundle where like Travis Scott was selling tickets in conjunction 643 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: with the album, and Kylie was like promoting it in 644 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: the way that Kardashians promote all their stuff, which is 645 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: to say, very effectively. So Nikki's like dragging him very publicly, 646 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: complaining about why you know, he's number one, but he 647 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: shouldn't be because he's doing all these underhanded things, so 648 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: which is not harold, which which is not warranted. I 649 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: think I mean, like the record that we're talking about, 650 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: the Travis Scott record, Estro World is like one of 651 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: the most acclaimed and like popular rap records of the 652 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,959 Speaker 1: last couple of years. I think, like for you know, 653 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: zoomers and like young millennials, that's going to be as 654 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: much of a touchdown as like Kanyee records are for 655 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: older millennials and Gen xers. So, I mean, I don't 656 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: think taking shots at Travis Scott, who was very popular 657 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: and and and respected was going to be a very 658 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: good method of attack for for Nikki. No, absolutely not. 659 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: And so and so she's doing press for Queen and 660 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: all of the interviewers just want to ask her what 661 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: the latest is with Cardi B. She goes on ebro Darden, 662 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: she goes on Colbert and she cut of says the 663 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: same thing over and over again. Was just like, Cardi 664 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: B has got a problem with me because I called 665 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: her out for, you know, bitching about the whole verse 666 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: switching thing. But you gotta have a thick skin in 667 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: this business. People talk about me all the time. You 668 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: don't see me, you know, being whiny about it. So 669 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: she's got to grow up. She just says that again 670 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: and again again a bunch of different interviews, and Cardie's 671 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: response is to go on Twitter and say that I 672 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: don't think she uses Nikki's name, but say that a 673 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: a very large artist blocked her. And then fans took 674 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: the hint and and did show that actually nick Minaj 675 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: had blocked Cardi b which, man, you know, blocking someone 676 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: on Twitter, I always feel like, just mute her, you know, 677 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: like because you exactly you don't want to give your 678 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: enemy a screenshot, you know, because the like your blocked screenshot, 679 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: it just makes you look like you're small and you 680 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: can't take criticism. And look, I'll say, like, I think 681 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: some people should be blocked on Twitter. I've blocked people 682 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: because they're terrible people and they're annoying. But you know, 683 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: she must have known Nicki minaje that was going to 684 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: get We're going to figure this out. It's gonna make 685 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: her look small. Um. So this all leads to, I 686 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: guess the real meat of this revelry, which is the 687 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: shoe throwing incident, and um, you know, not to make 688 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: a light of because there was like some actual physical 689 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: assault happening here. I mean, I mean shoe throwing is 690 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: very funny. I mean, shoe throwing is inherently comedic, but 691 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: especially when it's like a big shoe, like like a 692 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: spiletto or something, you know, like that's a very funny 693 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: shoe to be thrown also, right, So it goes down 694 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: a fashion week and uh, they're at this event and 695 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: were they at a concert? There's a Christina Aguilera performance. 696 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: It was in the middle of Christina Aguilary, I believe, 697 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: performing Genie in a bottle. I think that's true. So 698 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: they're at this this fancy New York Harper's Bizarre Icons 699 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: party sand balcony and they're coming together and I guess 700 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: witnesses are like, oh my god, they might hug it out, 701 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: like people are watching, like waiting to see what's gonna happen. 702 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: And they don't lug it out. Yeah, they're so close 703 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: to each other, like oh yeah, they obviously love each other. 704 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: But in fact it's a scrum essentially. And uh, I 705 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: guess what really made Cardi mad was that Nikki apparently 706 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: made a comment about her daughter and and do we 707 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: know what she said exactly. I don't know the exact words. 708 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: I think it was something in the effect of like 709 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 1: you are not a good mother and not you know something. 710 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: It was questioning her motherhood, which is not good Yeah, 711 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: that's that's going for the tenderest part of anyone's heart. There. 712 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 1: So Cardi starts screaming at Nikki, says, bitch, you feisty bitch, 713 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: don't talk about my daughter culture and you know, don't 714 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: talk to about my child, and like they start going 715 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: at it, and like what happens is is that Nicki 716 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: Minach apparently has nine bodyguards and Cardi only has two. 717 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: So yeah, So so Cardi is trying to break through 718 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: this phalanx of like bodyguards and can't do it. So 719 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: that is when the shoe comes off and she throws 720 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: it and does she hit Nikki or was it? Was 721 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: it missed? I think it it was. I think it missed. 722 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: And I know, I know she got elbowed. I know 723 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: Cardi got elbowed by someone. Did she get hit too 724 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 1: by the dude from Love and Hip Hop? Yeah, least 725 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: card Yes, uh scoundrel and like what why was he there? 726 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: Like why is he punching Cardi? She was I think 727 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: just a friend of in Nikki's entourage, I believe, and uh. 728 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: And Nikki goes on her radio show later and says 729 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: that that raw was actually the one who really did 730 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the SmackDown. Like there's pictures of Cardi 731 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: leaving the venue later that night with like her dress ripped, 732 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: she's barefoot because she's throwing her shoe, and she's got 733 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: this big shiner on like her forehead. It's uh, it's 734 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: not good. It's not one of the finer moments in 735 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure any of their lives. Yeah, and again to 736 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: do a call back to another episode, It's amazing to 737 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 1: me that like Axel Rose had like so many almost fights, 738 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: like where he would challenge people to fights and they 739 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: never happened. But like Cardi b did get into a scrap. 740 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: You know, that just shows how much of a real 741 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: one Cardi is. You know, she lives it like she 742 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: talks it. That's why people love her. So she leaves this, 743 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: I will say she she she did not sneak out 744 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: the back way. She's got you know, her dresses ripped, 745 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: her butt is out, she's got a big bruise on 746 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: her forehead, and she takes it. She walks out, you know, proud. 747 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm imagining like hester Prynne with the a on her 748 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: like she owns it and which, yeah, good for her. 749 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: And then Nicky leaves later and she's blowing kisses the fans, 750 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's so I will say, both 751 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: of them they really did embrace, you know, they didn't 752 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: shy away and go out the back door. They owned 753 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: the spotlight that night. Yeah, definitely. It's definitely like pro 754 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: wrestling too. At this point, it was a little bit 755 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: oment of that. Although again, like Cardi was hit by 756 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: a guy. I don't like that. That's awful. Like, I 757 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: don't understand why that guy felt entitled to to push 758 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: this woman or to punch this woman. I don't think 759 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: that was necessary, even though she threw the shoe. But 760 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: Cardi leaves and she goes to Instagram, of course, and 761 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: she writes a scathing post. And again she doesn't name Nikki, right, 762 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: I mean she doesn't does she say Nikki's name in 763 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: the post. It's a it's another one of those subtweets 764 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: where everyone knows who she's talking about, and she basically 765 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: just says like, like, you know, look, you know you've 766 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: been talking about me for a long time. Don't talk 767 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: about my kid. You know, kids are off limits, and uh, 768 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 1: and don't talk about like what kind of mother I am? 769 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: You know that that that's crossing the line, which is true. 770 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: And and you know she's mad and she's going after her, 771 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: and that's for Nicki Minaj. I guess she was in 772 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: a position to press charges. It's it's weird to me 773 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: that Nikki, I'm sorry, it's weird to me that Cardi 774 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: wasn't in a position to press chargers. Is the idea 775 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: that it was like self defense? I think she punched. 776 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: There was officially, there's two stories about how Nikki got 777 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: or her Cardi got punched. It was either Nicki security 778 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: people or it was raw Ali who was sort of 779 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: coming to u Nikki's defense. So yeah, it's unclear, but 780 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: but it's definitely what he is clear is that Cardi 781 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,919 Speaker 1: seems to have struck first with the whole shoe thing. 782 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that Nikki was in a in 783 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: a position to press assault charges and she didn't. So 784 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: it ends here, right, there's no more. They decided that 785 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: they had gone too far and they decided to make up. Right, 786 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: Is that what happened? Or does Nicki Minaj decided to 787 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: perpetuate this? Uh? Nicki Minaj pours some gasoline and some 788 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: diesel onto the fire. At this point, she goes on 789 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: her her radio show Queen Radio, and drags Cardi for 790 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: the entire episode. She says, the other night, I was 791 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,439 Speaker 1: part of something so mortifying and humiliating to go through. 792 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: She says, watching fellow guests pass by looking at this 793 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: disgusting commotion, I was mortified. I could not believe how 794 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,439 Speaker 1: humiliating at all felt, because how we made ourselves look. 795 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: And then she goes, she actually has some pretty good 796 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: evidence here. She plays a seventeen uh interview Cardi b 797 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: gave to The Fader where she talks about how in fights, 798 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: kids are fine. You can you can reference kids, kids 799 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: are on limits. That's perfectly fine ammunition. And so Nikki 800 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: basically cites this as like, well, you know what, like 801 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: she said, it was fine. I was just calling things 802 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: like I see them. Uh. And you know what, She's 803 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: built her career off of sympathy and Paola, which is, 804 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: do you know what it's like the suit in your 805 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: room for hours writing raps. Nicky says, you came into 806 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,240 Speaker 1: my fucking culture. I never had the funk a DJ 807 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: to play my songs, right, I was gonna say, like 808 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: she mentions the Paola thing, but then it's also like 809 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: accusing her of like using her body or using sex 810 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: in order to further her career, which is the lowest 811 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: thing that you can accuse a person of doing. Uh, 812 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: And it seems like it's also playing into the sexism 813 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,359 Speaker 1: again of the music industry at like the only way 814 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: that a woman can get to the top is by 815 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: sleeping her way to the top. So that's like a 816 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: little disappointing. But again it kind of goes back to 817 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: what we were talking about earlier, where like that seemed 818 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: to be like a wedge issue that Nicki Minaj tried 819 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: to use against Cardi b the artistic authenticity argument that like, 820 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm a real rapper and you're not, and the only 821 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: way the only reason why you are where you are 822 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: is because you are on a reality show and that 823 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: you somehow cheated the system to become popular. And Cardia 824 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: has a pretty good comeback. She goes on Instagram and 825 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: posts the sales stats for that year and her album 826 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: of Asian The Privacy is I think the number three 827 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: best selling hip hop album behind Drakes Scorpion, which is 828 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: you Know a Monster and Postlone's Beer Bonds and Bentley's 829 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,399 Speaker 1: And she says, you know what, in two years ago. 830 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,760 Speaker 1: I had no label, no radio play. I was fresh 831 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: out of love and hip hop. You know, not a 832 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,399 Speaker 1: lot of money in my bank account, my first tour, 833 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: and you know, now I'm number three highest grossing or 834 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: highest selling hip hop artist in the world right now, 835 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: and you know where are you on this list? So 836 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 1: you know, touche. So after this, I mean, things start 837 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: to get really petty. It's after this where one of 838 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: my favorite, uh acts of pettiness in this ravelry is 839 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: that Cardi B came out in support of Cynthia Nixon 840 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: in the New York gubernatorial election. So then Nicki Minaj 841 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: decides to come out and support Andrew Cuomo, like just 842 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: to spite Cardi B, who, as we said before, you know, 843 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: study political science of college. She's like really interested in 844 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: reading about American history and government. I feel like she's 845 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: actually been pretty active in politics, much more than I 846 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: remember Nicki Minaj being. I don't really remember her being 847 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: all that interested in politics. It really seemed like sort 848 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: of screw you there. Although I guess if you want 849 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: to just look at the pure numbers, Nicki Minaj did 850 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: that did win that part of the rivalry, because Andrew 851 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: Cuomo did win the election, and Cynthia Nixon did not. 852 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: Wasn't there a thing too like where uh like like 853 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: Nikki like screwed with like one of Cardi B's singles too, 854 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: like she like maybe tried to leak it or something. 855 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,919 Speaker 1: Oh what was that story that was? That was really bad? 856 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: So Cardi by releases her single money early because and 857 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: she she accuses Nicki Minaj fans of leaking it, and 858 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: she goes on Instagram live and says, you know, we 859 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: tried to retract it, but you know the barbs. They're 860 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: always posting me. They post everything I do. They claim 861 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: they hate me, but they really loved me because they're 862 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: on my page before my fans. So she puts out 863 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: her single early. And then Cardi B's sister, Hennessey h 864 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,800 Speaker 1: claims that Nicki Minaj's fans basically docksed her and shared 865 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: her her private phone number, and she shared screenshots of 866 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: Cardi's phone all these like, you know, obscene texts from 867 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj fans like Colin orl switts of names and 868 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: threatening her her infant daughter and all sorts of terrible stuff. Uh. 869 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: Nicki of course denies it by in the most nicky 870 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: way possible by saying, bitch, what type of bird shit 871 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: are you on? Which is amazing. Yeah, and like again 872 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: this is all really this is really intense and like 873 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: I guess the Fall of two like this is where 874 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: like a lot of this is going on. Like in October, 875 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: Cardi goes to Instagram again and she's denying all the 876 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 1: charges that Nicki Minaj's have leveled against her. She denies 877 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: the Paola accusations, you know, she says that she wasn't 878 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: actually beating up all that bad bye ra Ali at 879 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: that Fashion Week show you know, a month earlier. She 880 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: goes back to the no Limit story you know about 881 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, Cardi b is supposedly keeping Nikki out of 882 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: the music video. All this stuff, just rehashing it, and 883 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: it really feels like it's starting to get tire some 884 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: I mean, like Nikki of course has to respond to 885 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,280 Speaker 1: Cardi at this point, and she says that she wants 886 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: Cardi to take a lie detector test with her on 887 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: her radio show where they could where she could ask 888 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: her like do you write your own lyrics? You know, 889 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. It mean, it's really nasty 890 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: at this point, and it feels like It's time maybe 891 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: to bring it to a close, right, Nikki. I mean, 892 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: at this point, she's tired. I mean, Cardi B posted 893 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: like eight nine minutes of Instagram live videos, like categorically 894 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: listing all of her problems with Nikki and refuting all 895 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: of Nikki's points. I mean, he was just getting exhausting. 896 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 1: So Cardi goes on Twitter and says, Okay, you guys, 897 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: let's focus on positive things only from here on out. 898 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: We're all so blessed. I know this stuff is entertaining 899 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: and funny to a lot of people, but I won't 900 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: be discussing this nonsense anymore. Thank you for the support 901 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,760 Speaker 1: and encouragement year after year. Love you, And Cardi B agrees. 902 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: She screenshots the tweet and posted on Instagram and writes, 903 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 1: all right, Nicki Minaj, let's keep it positive and keep pushing. 904 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: And that holds, I guess for about what like nine 905 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 1: months or so. Yes, yeah, And there's another skirmish though 906 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: that erupts. I guess it's in August of twenty nineteen, 907 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: when Nicki Minaj is on Joe podcast and uh, somehow 908 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: they end up talking about Cardi B and all the 909 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: motorsport drama that happened, and Nicki Minaj says, she basically 910 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: talks about like how she came up in the industry, 911 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: and she says, you know, when it was my time, 912 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: there was no Instagram, no reality shows, no sucking DJ's dicks. Um. 913 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: I would argue that was still going on when Nikki 914 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: came up. Not not that's not that she was doing it, 915 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: but I just want to say that was probably a 916 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,919 Speaker 1: thing that existed. I don't know, Yah sad to say 917 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: that that sort of exploitation has been around from the 918 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: beginning of the music industry. Again, does not mention Cardi 919 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: B by name. But it's it's pretty obvious that she's 920 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: not talking about, like who she's not talking about Chris 921 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,280 Speaker 1: Martin of cold Play or something. I mean, it's pretty 922 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: clear who she's talking about when she says that, right, 923 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's Cardi surprisingly doesn't take the bait. She 924 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: waits a few months. It's the end of the year. 925 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,919 Speaker 1: It's right before Christmas. She she posts on social media, 926 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to end this year on bad terms 927 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 1: with anyone, and then in all caps apologize to me. 928 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm ready to forgive you, And Nikki does not apologize. 929 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: I do not believe. So no, no, there's no apology, 930 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 1: but so it's it's like a hanging request for an 931 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: apology that maybe by the time this episode goes up, 932 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 1: it will have been resolved, or maybe Nicki MINAJH will 933 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,399 Speaker 1: be going back on a podcast somewhere and take another 934 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: shot at Cardi B. Who knows. I feel like this 935 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: rivalry isn't resolved. It feels like it kind of ran 936 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,320 Speaker 1: out of gas a little bit, but it could spark 937 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: up maybe again, at any moment. Oh yeah, I'm absolutely 938 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: ready for this for a rematch, the other shoe will drop. 939 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and get a word 940 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 1: from our sponsor before we get to more rivals. This 941 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,840 Speaker 1: is the part of the episode where we talk about 942 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,319 Speaker 1: pro sides for each person in the rivalry. And you know, 943 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,359 Speaker 1: we've talked about Nicki Minaj in this episode about her 944 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,800 Speaker 1: ability as a rapper, and I had made the comparison 945 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,240 Speaker 1: earlier comparing her to a character actor in a film 946 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: that uh, she's someone that can come onto a track 947 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,399 Speaker 1: and take it over and give just an incredible burst 948 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: of energy. And sometimes that hasn't always translated to her 949 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: solo career, but in terms of her success. You really 950 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: can't dispute her career. She is, like we said, the 951 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 1: best selling female rapper of all time. And I mean, 952 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that without Nicki Minaj 953 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: having all that success, that it would have probably been 954 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,240 Speaker 1: a lot harder for Cardi B and all the other recent, great, 955 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 1: wonderful female mcs that have risen a prominence in recent years. 956 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: It'd be harder for them to do what they're doing 957 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: if Nikki hadn't blazed the trail earlier in the two 958 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 1: thousand tents. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean I think she's 959 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 1: She's our generations little Kim, you know. I mean, I 960 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: I think that her artistry as an MC is really unrivaled. 961 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 1: I mean her crazy, weird, sort of avant garde style, 962 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 1: the alter egos you mentioned, her, her word play, just 963 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 1: her animated flow. I mean, if she did nothing else 964 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: but that monster verse, I think that her place in 965 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 1: hip hop history would be you know, assured. I mean 966 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,839 Speaker 1: that that versus just I think everything that she does 967 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: so incredibly well, uh incredible talent. And also I mean 968 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: the commercial stats, Like you said, best selling female hip 969 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: hop artist ever. She she broke a wreatha Franklin's record, 970 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: she has more entries in the Hot one hundred than 971 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 1: any other female artist in history. That's a incredible say. 972 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 1: It really speaks to like how I mean, just how 973 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: ubiquitous she was at one time. I think in pop 974 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,320 Speaker 1: music generally, and you know, I think again, like the 975 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 1: biggest compliment that you can pay any singer or any 976 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: rapper is is there another person like them, that has 977 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 1: a voice like them? Um And with Nicki minaj I, 978 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't think you can say that. I mean, I 979 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: think that she's a true original and you hear her 980 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,760 Speaker 1: on a track and you know who she is instantly. UM. 981 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,399 Speaker 1: So that is definitely a very strong case for her. 982 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,800 Speaker 1: I think when we go to the Cardi B side, 983 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,280 Speaker 1: I think, like, ultimately she is maybe the better character. 984 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 1: She's the person that, um, aside from her music, which 985 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,400 Speaker 1: you know is some of the most like infectious and 986 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 1: enjoyable pop music that's been made in the last you know, 987 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 1: a few years, but she's also a person that like 988 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: when you see her on a talk show or you 989 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: see her on Instagram, live or wherever it is, she's 990 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: really funny and engaging and surprising and real. You know, 991 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: she seems like a person who's always herself, and I 992 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,320 Speaker 1: think that, more than anything else, is what has endeared 993 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 1: people to her and has really facilitated her rise in 994 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 1: the last you know, three or four years. You know, 995 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: people like Cardi B and they want her to be successful. 996 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,799 Speaker 1: So they hear a song like Bodag Yellow, they really 997 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,719 Speaker 1: enjoy it, but they also cheer on the backstory, the 998 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,759 Speaker 1: rocky story that we were talking about. I mean, I 999 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: like Nicki minaj I, I like her persona, but I 1000 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that more people probably find 1001 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: Curdie to be to be more likable when you say, 1002 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,319 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean she's she's the American dream. You know, 1003 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,200 Speaker 1: she's the scrappy underdog made good. I mean she she 1004 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: had this great quote in an interview with The Guardian. 1005 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 1: She said, everybody has a me inside them, that loud 1006 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 1: girl that just wants to go a no matter if 1007 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 1: you're a doctor, a lawyer, a teacher, it comes out. 1008 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: And I think that's that's a really self awared, a 1009 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,919 Speaker 1: beautiful way to put it too. I mean, people love her. 1010 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 1: I think the secret to her success is her personality. 1011 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,840 Speaker 1: She's so unapologetically herself, so unvarnished which is, you know, 1012 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: just so crazy and wild at times. But you're right, 1013 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,759 Speaker 1: and it's hilarious, it's so entertaining to watch, but there 1014 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,120 Speaker 1: is a lot of substance there too. Yeah. I think 1015 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 1: that really because Nikki would always tread a poke holes 1016 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: in her artistry by saying, you know, you got a ghostwriter, 1017 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: you don't write your own bars, and Party is pretty 1018 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,280 Speaker 1: open about saying like, yeah, I I ask your favorite 1019 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: hip hop artist about their ghostwriter. Everybody does. I think 1020 00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: that she's so good at not only picking songs that 1021 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 1: reflect you know, who she is and what her images, 1022 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,879 Speaker 1: but also just imbuing her own meaning into all those 1023 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: lines and just making every single line just sounds like 1024 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,160 Speaker 1: it comes from her, you know. I think that's really 1025 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,800 Speaker 1: her gift. Is that really just making all those lines 1026 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 1: her own? Yeah, I think that it's a personality thing. 1027 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 1: I think people really like her more because, like you said, 1028 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj comes across as kind of petty, especially the 1029 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,440 Speaker 1: last couple of years too, and and at least at 1030 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: this point, maybe because it's earlier in her career, I 1031 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,919 Speaker 1: don't think Cardi has had any of those like serious 1032 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: fall from grace moments until she has does have that 1033 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 1: court case. Uh so, I guess there's that, But for 1034 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: the most part, people still really love Cardi B as 1035 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,960 Speaker 1: a person. I think when we look at Cardi B 1036 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: and Nicki Minaj together, first of all, I think we 1037 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 1: can both say that this is like one of the 1038 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,239 Speaker 1: more entertaining rivalries like the early twenty first century. Like 1039 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of material here, a lot of funny 1040 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,360 Speaker 1: things that happened, a lot of crazy things that happened. 1041 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: And that's because I think there's genuine dislike here. You know, 1042 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: No matter my theory about Graham Live funneling money into 1043 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,280 Speaker 1: the hip hop wars in order to further their brand, 1044 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,759 Speaker 1: which I'm not, I'm gonna go on a dryer race 1045 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,880 Speaker 1: board and and create all the lines and show how 1046 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 1: that how that conspiracy works. But no, I do think 1047 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,040 Speaker 1: that there's genuine dislike here. But I think there's also 1048 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: sort of like a weird music industry driven insecurity and 1049 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,359 Speaker 1: planted it in. Nicki minage that she had to feel 1050 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,880 Speaker 1: threatened by Cardi B because there was only room for 1051 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,400 Speaker 1: like one person like her, and it seems like for 1052 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,239 Speaker 1: a long time that that was part of like what 1053 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: was feeling her anger towards Cardi B this idea that 1054 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,839 Speaker 1: like she's taken a spot that I used to have 1055 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: and I deserve it more than her. And what we've seen, 1056 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: fortunately in the last you know, a few years, is 1057 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: that that's really been disproven that we have multiple female 1058 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 1: mcs who are very successful and you don't need just 1059 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 1: like one person occupying that lane. You've got multiple people 1060 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,880 Speaker 1: in that lane, and the public is gonna buy it 1061 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,120 Speaker 1: up because they love it. So I think that aspect 1062 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,399 Speaker 1: of it is maybe that the broader issue you here 1063 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,719 Speaker 1: with these two, um just the replacement factor. I call 1064 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: it the highlander problem. There can be only one right 1065 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,279 Speaker 1: exactly or like all about Eve, like that old, you know, 1066 00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,879 Speaker 1: fifties movie about like how you have the established star 1067 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 1: and then like the young angeneue comes along and pushes 1068 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 1: the established star side, and like that would be Cardi 1069 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,880 Speaker 1: B in this situation, and Nikki would be I guess 1070 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,040 Speaker 1: the Betty Davis uh in this scenario. And it's it's 1071 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,040 Speaker 1: sad that that was the feeling at that time, and 1072 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,759 Speaker 1: and and there's probably a lot of truth to that. 1073 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,879 Speaker 1: There's probably a good reason why she felt that way, 1074 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,040 Speaker 1: and it's just said that that was the reality at 1075 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,759 Speaker 1: the time right and now. Like you said, though, Magan 1076 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 1: the Stallion Doosa Cat Liz Oh, I feel like that 1077 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 1: the charts have really just been taken over by female 1078 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 1: MC's in the last eighteen months, two years, and that's 1079 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,919 Speaker 1: a wonderful thing. I think. Didn't Nikki do a song 1080 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,720 Speaker 1: with Megan the Stallion? Yeah? Absolutely so. Maybe Nikki's seeing 1081 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,080 Speaker 1: that too, and hopefully Nikki can feel a measure of 1082 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,720 Speaker 1: pride with that that like she helped to invent that 1083 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,640 Speaker 1: part of pop music, or at least popularize it, because 1084 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 1: it does seem like a lot of other people looked 1085 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 1: at her as a blueprint or pink print, if you will, 1086 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: and they were able to establish their own voices and careers. Well, Stephen, 1087 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: I want you to know if anyone ever comes at 1088 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,239 Speaker 1: you with a stiletto, I will come out elbows ablazon 1089 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,719 Speaker 1: to defend you. I hope you know that. Thank you, man, 1090 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: you and my other eight bodyguards will defend me. I'm 1091 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: so appreciative that. Jordan's uh, all right, everyone, thank you 1092 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,040 Speaker 1: so much for listening to this episode of Rivals. We'll 1093 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 1: be back with more beefs and feuds and long simmering 1094 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:48,000 Speaker 1: resentments next week. Rivals is a production of I Heart Radio. 1095 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,719 Speaker 1: The executive producers are Seawan Tytone and Noel Brown. The 1096 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,040 Speaker 1: supervising producers are Taylor chi Con and Tristan McNeil. The 1097 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,760 Speaker 1: producers Joel Hatstat, I'm Jordan run Talk. 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