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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt. Noel is

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Speaker 1: not with us today. Noel the Bagman Brown is indeed

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Speaker 1: on adventures. They call me Ben. We are joined as

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Speaker 1: always with our super producer, Paul Mission Control Deconds a

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Speaker 1: k a. The Coordinator. Most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. Matt off Air, You and Paul and

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Speaker 1: I have been talking about some of our favorite things heist, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: heist movies, heist heisten fiction I think are one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite things not in reality. Right. It's there's this

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Speaker 1: cool team up moment in a lot of heist films, right.

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Speaker 1: And we we spoke about which roles we would ideally

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Speaker 1: or realistically play in a heist and and Paul I loved.

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Speaker 1: I loved when Paul immediately replied, well, I guess I

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Speaker 1: would be the coordinator in a heist. And if you

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Speaker 1: go on places like TV Tropes, you will see the

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Speaker 1: various categories, the common positions and roles in a lot

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Speaker 1: of heist. Paul, I have to be honest. I feel

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Speaker 1: like maybe you chose the coordinator just because it also

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Speaker 1: the category also says the coordinator functions as mission control. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he found that and he went, that's it, That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm doing. You read the whole article, and Matt, you

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Speaker 1: had some interesting choices you had to that that spoke

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Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, I'm mostly thinking about it in context

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Speaker 1: of this show. So I I would go with the

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Speaker 1: partner in crime, So not the mastermind, because I think

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Speaker 1: we all know who the mastermind would be, especially in

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Speaker 1: the context of our crew and show Ben. But I

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Speaker 1: would be the partner in crime. I would be the

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Speaker 1: person who is second in command, who assists uh and

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Speaker 1: um maybe the only one this is a quote, maybe

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Speaker 1: going on. You know. That's that's flattering, uh too to

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Speaker 1: imply that mastermind position. I don't know, Man. I always

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Speaker 1: I always thought I would Uh. I would function as

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Speaker 1: to hear just work a lot. But but what we

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Speaker 1: found was that we constructed the four of us a

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Speaker 1: fairly solid again fictional heist crew, and today we're we're

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Speaker 1: looking at heist. You know, heist when you think about it,

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Speaker 1: their conspiracies. People are conspiring to do something nefarious. Yeah, certainly,

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Speaker 1: And a lot of the examples we're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: today involve inside jobs, all things within that conspiracy loaded term,

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Speaker 1: this point. A team of specialists with some dubious gifts

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Speaker 1: and specializations and no small amount of internal tension banned

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Speaker 1: together for I don't know. Sometimes it's the big one,

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Speaker 1: some remote destination. There is one rule that always applies

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Speaker 1: one ever constant, ubiquitous rule, is things go wrong. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the perfect plan isn't quite so perfect. But you know,

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Speaker 1: by events. Because all the time there are people in

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Speaker 1: and various institutions and jewelry stores and everything museums. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they're they're true, and they're real. But the big question

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Speaker 1: in reality outside of those fictional worlds? Right? How do

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Speaker 1: call this why you shouldn't rob a bank? Uh. Some

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Speaker 1: a little bit misleading, folks, because in both of the

428
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: heights we just talked about, the people got caught, but

429
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: the money didn't get caught. Yeah, not necessarily, it got

430
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: moved around in the market. Right. There we go, there

431
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: we go. We have another example from the United Kingdom

432
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: that has even higher stakes. Oh this one, we're going

433
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: back before either of the previous two. Back to seven

434
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: July twelve, great year for bank robberies. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

435
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: This is in knights Bridge, London. This is or it's

436
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: a part of London's in the UK. It's in the

437
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 1: city of Westminster, I believe. And the target here is

438
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: a thing, a place called knights Bridge Safe Deposit Center,

439
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: so less of a bank, more of a giant repository

440
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: of safety deposit boxes, a giant a collection of safety

441
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: deposit boxes. And there was a small crew of people

442
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: that went into there, including this gentleman named Valerio uh

443
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: v I C c e I cha vi vich. I

444
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: don't know how to say it, um, but Valeria, let's

445
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: call him. Uh. They walked in pretending like they were

446
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: just going to get a safety deposit box. And as

447
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: soon as they got into the secure area where the

448
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: deposit boxes were, they pulled out his crew pulled out pistols,

449
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: held everybody up. Then they put a closed temporarily closed

450
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 1: sign on the front of the safety deposit center. Then

451
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: they invited a couple other people in who were part

452
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: of their crew, dressed as security guards. Yes, and they

453
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: began basically just busting open all of these safety deposit boxes.

454
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: And they got away with a ton of money, a

455
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: huge amount of money, right, wasn't it around sixty million pounds?

456
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: It was over sixty million pounds, I believe, yes, But

457
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: again that's not cash, right, it's it's valuables, mostly valuable,

458
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: some cash um, probably bonds and all these other things.

459
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: But the safety deposit boxes were owned by millionaires in Lone,

460
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: didn't owned by famous people by sports, you know, they're

461
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: just famous peoples of all ilk, aristocrats, money royalty. Right.

462
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: They forced open hundred and fourteen boxes I think, yes,

463
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: what around two hours, so they were in the room

464
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah, but a hundred and fourteen boxes

465
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: full of whatever it was, and uh, they're yeah, thinking

466
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: about sixty million British pounds. But then okay, so these

467
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: guys make off with all this, they are they are

468
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: successful with these past three. The robbery itself goes off

469
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: pretty well, right in all three of these. They get in,

470
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: they get the spoils, and then they leave. The problems

471
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: are given enough time, you have enough people involved, somebody

472
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: slips up, and this is what occurred. There were several

473
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: several accomplices of Valerio who ended up getting caught. Yeah, yeah,

474
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: and let's let's spend a little bit of time in

475
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: Valerio because he is anomalous in the world of robberies.

476
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: Remember we said earlier at the top that are loaners,

477
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: our first time amateurs with this, not your buddy Valerio.

478
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: He came to England from Italy, where he was already

479
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: wanted on charges for something like fifty armed robberies. So

480
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: maybe not necessarily banks. But this guy was no stranger

481
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: to the hustle. No, he wasn't. And he also wasn't

482
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that liked to lay low after

483
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: he's done a job or something and not spend a

484
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: lot of money, not have a lot of visibility. He

485
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: liked to be out there living, as is described by

486
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: several websites. We looked at lavishly. That's how he did

487
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: his thing, living Levita Loca. Yeah, yeah, Well, and then

488
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: that leads him down a pathway because he ends up,

489
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: Oh where did he go? He skipped the country to

490
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: South America. He went to South America right after this

491
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: large robbery, and he was doing really well, you know,

492
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: spending a ton of money. He's got a ton of

493
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: money now. But he ends up wanting to get a ferrari.

494
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: I think a tester rosa, I believe that's what it was.

495
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: And he goes back to the United Kingdom, just temporarily

496
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: flies back over there just to oversee the shipping of

497
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: this ferrari back to where he's living in South America,

498
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: and the authorities, of course, somehow noticed that he's there.

499
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: You can only assume he's using a passport that's not his. Well,

500
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: here's the thing. He was not aware that he was

501
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: already directly tied to this crime because of a single fingerprint,

502
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: a bloody fingerprint that belonged to him, that was found

503
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: on the scene. Also, I know we just mentioned blood,

504
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: but we should say no one was killed, right of

505
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: course of this, right, So so he goes this guy

506
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: is such a pill. He he goes back to England,

507
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: as he said, to get his testa Rosa shipped to

508
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 1: South America. Not the smartest move. And people who saw

509
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: him thought he was not an impressive person. They thought

510
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: he was a show off. They thought he was flexing

511
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: too hard, like he wanted people to see his rolex,

512
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: and he wanted to talk about how his love of

513
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: exotic cars. He was doing his best to not blend in.

514
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: So the cops set up a roadblock. That's how they

515
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: get him. They literally know where he's coming from and

516
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: where he's going, set up a roadblock. They take him

517
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: out of his car because they smashed a windshield of

518
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: his Ferrari right, which I think was sort of them

519
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: proving a point. You know, that's their version of showing

520
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: off their rolex. Yeah, there you go. And he is

521
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: sentenced to twenty two years in prison. But he ends

522
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: up I believe, being extradited to Italy. Yeah, he goes

523
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: back to Italy after after a little bit of jail time,

524
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: ends up spending more jail time in Italy. But he

525
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: ends him in this thing that's called a day prison,

526
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: or he's got like day privileges while he's at prison.

527
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: So he can actually leave for a certain amount of time.

528
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: He's got a company that he's running, and he ends

529
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: up getting into some dastardly stuff. Again, he I think

530
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: he's he's spotted by like a patrol vehicle or something

531
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: just kind of your standard police patrol vehicle in Italy,

532
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: and he's doing something weird. He ends up getting in

533
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: a shootout with an officer and dying. Right, So let's

534
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: let's connect some dots here, because he's in a shootout,

535
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: which means he has a firearm in Italy while he

536
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: is technically in prison, right. I think he's released, as

537
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: you said, during the day, and he has to be

538
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: back in his cell at ten thirty or something like that,

539
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: and he's acting suspiciously quote unquote acting suspiciously? What does

540
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: that mean? You know what I mean? And in this

541
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: country there are a lot of innocent people who have

542
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: been fatally shot for quote unquote acting suspiciously. In this

543
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: guy's case, I gotta say I believe law enforcement. Well, yeah,

544
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: it appears that he may have been waiting for literally

545
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: an armored truck or I mean again, there are some

546
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: rumors that I was reading about on there, but who knows.

547
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: In the end, of this huge heights, the sixty million

548
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: pounds worth of stuff. Authorities got ten million or they

549
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: recovered roughly ten million pounds worth of stuff and value tables,

550
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: but the rest of it was either spent or can't

551
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: be found. Um, so there you go kind of the

552
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: same ending there. Yeah. Yeah, he also he wasn't a

553
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: good person. Any loss of human life is a tragedy.

554
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: I don't want to make light of the fact that

555
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: this that this guy died. He was also by acting suspiciously.

556
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: In his case, he was sitting in a stolen car

557
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: was while he was waiting for the van. I would

558
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: say that is suspicious. Yeah, I was like, just because

559
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: a person is in a stolen car does not necessarily

560
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: mean they stole it. But it doesn't look good. Yeah,

561
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: you should at least check it out. And if they

562
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: have a weapon and they, you know, fire shots at

563
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: you as a police officer, I think that's how things

564
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: are going to go. There was a quote from his

565
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: time in court when he was originally sentenced for the

566
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: Night's Bridge robbery. I just want to see what you

567
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: what you think about this. I'm want to hear your

568
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: reaction to this. So one detective said this guy wanted

569
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: to be known as the mastermind of the world's biggest robbery,

570
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: and then continued to say he had an ego the

571
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: size of the Old Bailey. And then at the trial.

572
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: At the trial, this dude says to the judge, maybe

573
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: I'm a romantic lunatic, but money was the last thing

574
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: on my mind, you know, which is a very strange

575
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: way to plead your case. It's like, look, I just

576
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: it's just the excitement. Yeah, it's not about the money.

577
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: It's you're living a message. Yeah, you'llo sent a message. Well, yeah,

578
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the kind of guy who watched

579
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: He reportedly watched Scarface almost sixty times and that was

580
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: just his favorite movie and he wanted to be Scarface.

581
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: He had a ring or something that. Yeah, he had

582
00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: a key ring. There was golden and it was a shotgun. Yeah. Anyway,

583
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: but let I'm done talking about this valerious guy. Um

584
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: let's let's take a quick break from our sponsor and

585
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: we'll come back and talk about some of the heists

586
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: that went really well for the people who who perpetrated them,

587
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: or at least it didn't go well for the authorities

588
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: chasing down the perpetrators. And we're back. Let's talk about

589
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: some of the heist where the perpetrators got away Asterix,

590
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: asterick caveat at all. So just be clear about this

591
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: kind of situation we're talking about. There are quite a few,

592
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: a surprisingly vast number of enormous cases I don't necessarily

593
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: want to call them heist cases where we know money

594
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: disappeared and we know where it was last seen, but

595
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: we don't know what happened to it. The bread crumb

596
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: trail has disappeared, right, So we can laundry list some

597
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: of those, but some of them deserve their own episodes.

598
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: We decided to start with a couple of cases where

599
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 1: we do know the nuts and bolts of the crew

600
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: and we know a little bit of about how it worked. Yeah,

601
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: we at least know the best assumptions according to authorities

602
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: about uh, perhaps the groups that were involved here. So

603
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: let's jump to January nine seventies six, and let's go

604
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: to Lebanon, specifically Beirut, and there's let's see the target

605
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: here is the British Bank of the Middle East in Beirut,

606
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: and what occurred here on this day is it's believed

607
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: that uh, some crew of people officially unknown crew of

608
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: about eight soldiers, as well as a separate team of

609
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: individuals who were safe crackers. They gained access to the

610
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: vault of this bank, the British Bank in the Middle

611
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: Eastern Beirute, and they were able to empty the entire

612
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: contents of that vault, and it's estimated to be somewhere

613
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: between twenty million US and fifty million US worth of gold, bars,

614
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: Lebanese and other foreign currencies, as well as stocks, jewels,

615
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: and other valuables. And that money was worth about sixty

616
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: million UH somewhere between sixty million two fifty million in

617
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: two thousand, so really big takeaway. Yeah, and this also

618
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: touches on something that I think we were all somewhat

619
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: anticipating when we talked about successful heist. Like successful heist,

620
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: there was a state actor involved. These weren't just some

621
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: random amateurs. They were a group associated with the PLO,

622
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: the Palestine Liberation Organization under yasar Ara Fat. Because at

623
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: the time Lebanon is in the grips of a civil war,

624
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: they're able to break into this otherwise fairly fortified bank, Right, Yeah,

625
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: all the chaos is going on while there's so much

626
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: confusion and violence occurring they were just able to use

627
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: that opportunity essentially is cover to go in and take

628
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: this place. Yet and no one, not only has no

629
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: one involved in this heist been caught, no one has

630
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: been charged with the crime. You know what I mean.

631
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: This is not this is not a situation where someone

632
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: decides to uh skidaddle off to a country that won't extradite. Instead,

633
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: they disappear. They politicizer associated. Just to give you an

634
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: idea of what it looks like you're you think about

635
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: it this way, there are people with large, high powered

636
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: rifles that have grenade launchers attached to them, that are

637
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: wearing military fatigues that are unmarked, so it's not saying

638
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: that you're officially associated with any military. They they roll

639
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: up with their grenade launchers and it's it's pretty crazy

640
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: the way they did this, I mean, and that must

641
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: have been a very up like opposing force just to

642
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: see it coming, you know, Um, I don't know. It's

643
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: just very very strange because again it became a war

644
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: zone there at that bank. It wasn't like they just

645
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: walked in and took the money. There was firing, you know,

646
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: there was weapons being fired and assuming grenades being launched.

647
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: It's a pretty intense thing, absolutely, and this loot was

648
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: not just cash, right, We're talking gold, jewelry stocks. And

649
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: oddly enough, these guys ended up famous and anonymous because

650
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: the Guinness Book of World Records was inspired to cite

651
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: this as the quote biggest bank robbery in the world.

652
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: The crazy thing about this is that it is quite

653
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: possible someone listening to this episode today along with you,

654
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: may have been involved. They would be elderly now right,

655
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: or maybe they would be um, a family member, like

656
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: a sibling or a child of one of the what

657
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: we call them, well, we should call them criminals, but

658
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: I like heisters. Yeah, and let's remember that part. To me,

659
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: the most crucial part about this is that they were

660
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: very likely involved with a state actor. Yeah, they used

661
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: to see they used C four, the plastic explosive to

662
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: gain access to the vault, which you know, it generally

663
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: doesn't occur if you're a group of citizens, um getting

664
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: your hands on C four. While it may not be

665
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: as difficult as the world's authorities would like it to be,

666
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: but it is certainly not easy. No, No, it's not

667
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: something uh ideally, it's not something we want people to

668
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: be able to order from Amazon or eBay. Yeah, and

669
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: you know grenade launchers attached to your M sixteen. Yeah,

670
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: that's military hardware. So let's fast forward to two thousand four,

671
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: a few days before Christmas. Here we are in jolly

672
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: old Ireland, Yes, to Belfast. Uh so let's just let's

673
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: talk about the target here. It's a place called Belfast,

674
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: Northern Bank. And before we even get into who it

675
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: is or what occurred or anything like that, let's just

676
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: hit that number. Around twenty six and a half million

677
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: British pounds, as well as other additional court uh foreign

678
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: currencies were taken. Yeah. According to The Guardian, in total,

679
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: as of two thousand and eight, ten people have been

680
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: arrested and three have been charged for being somehow involved

681
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: with the conspiracy here. But they're all charged with being

682
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: somehow involved well, but also they've never officially been like, um,

683
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: charged with actually yeah yeah, it's like it's hard to

684
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: even wrap your head around the thing. They they were connected, right,

685
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: but they weren't the people they're doing the thing. Yeah. Yeah,

686
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: So the other currencies involved where US dollars and euros? Right?

687
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: Can we just talk about the significance of this probably,

688
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: so we're in Belfast. Uh, there's a peace process going

689
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: on because of the tensions you know in Northern Ireland

690
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: as well as other parts of Ireland. The the IRA

691
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: and a couple other groups that were involved in tensions

692
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: over the years, again similar to state actors. Yeah, so,

693
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: so there's a very You're in a precarious position there already,

694
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: and then to have a violent act like this occur

695
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: where millions and millions of dollars are stolen of all

696
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: the people's money in the area. I mean that's people's money.

697
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: That's not just the bank sitting there. Although you know,

698
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: insurance through various UH state programs and everything still does.

699
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: It's a symbolic act. Sure, that's that's the idea, and

700
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: it almost crippled the ongoing peace process because there was

701
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: a lot of finger pointing. The police of Northern Ireland

702
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: as well as the British and Irish governments said that

703
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: the IRA had a hand in this. However, the i

704
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: ra A said, no, why would we do that. What

705
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: on earth are you talking about? That's the last thing

706
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: we want. Yeah, exactly. Now, let's talk about a little

707
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: bit of what happened. So similarly to what we saw

708
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: with one of the previous the Securre toss heist. Some

709
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: masked what they're being referred to in the Guardian as

710
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: um masked gang masked and armed gang members. These guys

711
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: show up at two homes, uh, two separate homes of

712
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: two separate bank managers there who work at the Northern Bank, right,

713
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: and they hold people hostage uh the specifically their families

714
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: at gunpoint. Uh. Then they get moved around a little bit.

715
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: They you know, they take some of the family members

716
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: to like forest. Apparently they're really spreading these people out there,

717
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: extremely organized on what they're gonna do. Then they get

718
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: one of these guys, one of these bank managers, to

719
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: go to work like it's just a regular old day,

720
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: pretend nothing's wrong, but because he knows that his families

721
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: at risk. Right. But then in the bank's closed that evening,

722
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: the bank, these gang members actually like we're let in

723
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: by this manager, let into the vaults and then they

724
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: just loaded up a van with all of the contents

725
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: and got away. That's that's the craziest thing again there.

726
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: The people who were arrested, the people who were charged

727
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: were not charged with actually carrying this out. I believe

728
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: currently as of two thousand nineteen, one person has been convicted.

729
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: They were convicted of money laundering. Yeah, so after the fact,

730
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: just using it, right, And the authorities consider this case ongoing,

731
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: so they haven't they haven't closed it. It remains unsolved. Again,

732
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: given the time frame here, it's even more likely that

733
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: someone involved is listening to this show. Now. When I

734
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: say more likely, I don't mean it's probable. Yes, but

735
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 1: if you're listening. No, we can't even say that, Matt.

736
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: We can say someone might be listening. And that's about

737
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 1: where we have to draw the line, I believe legally.

738
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah, And we at this point we

739
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: do know a very small portion of this money that

740
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: was stolen has been recovered, A very very small portion,

741
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: I think two million out of the UM two million

742
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: out of the sixty in the pounds I guess in

743
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: bank notes were discovered. And then there's another like a

744
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: hundred K and US bank notes and listen to this.

745
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: According to The Guardian, UH these U s bank notes

746
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: were found in the toilet of the Police Athletics Association's

747
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: New Forge country club. A hundred of thousand dollars of

748
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: the money that was still in there was found in

749
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: the police country club. Interesting. So this, this definitely has them.

750
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: This definitely has the aroma of an inside job, you

751
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, oh yeah. But the I

752
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: think the authorities there, the official word was like, oh no,

753
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: this money was just planted there as a distraction. It

754
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: wasn't actually, you know, nobody involved with the police had

755
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: anything to do with that money. It was just put there. Okay, sure, alright, wink, yeah.

756
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: This let's continue to build on this. Let's let's look

757
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: at just a few quick laundry lists of unsolved conspiracies.

758
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: One thing that I believe stands out for a lot

759
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: of US residents and a lot of residents of the

760
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: Middle East would be the massive allegations of stolen money

761
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: in the course of the US is involvement in a

762
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: rock in the course of the US is involvement in Afghanistan.

763
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: So if we if we look at this, what we

764
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: find will be almost a thousand, almost a thousand cases

765
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: of alleged fraud committed not not by you know, not

766
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: by local militias or terrorists, but committed by contractors working

767
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: for Uncle Sam. As we know, you know, war is

768
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: a war is very fertile soil for corruption for profiteering.

769
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: In this case, U s Audit found that the occupying

770
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: force in in Iraq during the Iraq War lost track

771
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: of something around like nine billion dollars with a B. Yeah,

772
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: that's insane and right there by the way, Remember we're

773
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: talking about several associations, several groups, but one of the

774
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: main ones is our old pals Blackwater a k x E.

775
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: I think a A k A Academi well, which is

776
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: a our old house, Eric Prince, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

777
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: There's a fascinating article about this that would recommend called

778
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: BBC uncovers Lost a Rock Billions by a journalist named

779
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: Jane Corbin. And this this came out in June of

780
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. So this is old news. This

781
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: is over ten years old now, but it's fascinating to

782
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: get to get this glimpse. I just want to share

783
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: some parts of this. So an investigation by the BBC

784
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: found that not just nine billion, that's the U s Audit.

785
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: The BBC found twenty three billion had been lost, stolen

786
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: or just maybe put in the wrong accounting line, which

787
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: I thought was very generous of them to phrase it

788
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: that way. Let me read this part. So the BBC

789
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 1: used US and Iraqi government sources to research how much

790
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: some private contractors have profited from the conflict in the

791
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: Rock and the subsequent rebuilding. A US gagging order is

792
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: preventing discussion of the allegations. What the order applies to

793
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: seventy court cases against some of the top US companies. WHOA,

794
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: that feels like a whole episode, right, Yeah, that I

795
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: think we need to do that. I agree, I agree completely.

796
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: When Henry Waxman commented on this during his time as

797
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: Chairman of the US House of Reps, he said, the

798
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: money that's gone into waste, fraud, and abuse under these

799
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: contracts is just so outrageous. He noted at the time

800
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: that it may turn out to be the largest case

801
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: of war profiteering in history, not US history, in human history.

802
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: Holy crap, that's a little hyperbolic. If we're being honest,

803
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's tough to rank these things with

804
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: accuracy when we're talking about just how much money goes missing.

805
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: But we we have to admit billions of dollars vanished.

806
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah they did. Yeh man, I'll never forget. Was it Rumsfeld?

807
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, well, we don't know, just billions

808
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: of dollars that we can't account for in the in

809
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: the budgets. But you know, it speaks to the fog

810
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: of war, like we're talking about the cover that you

811
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: get when there's conflict like that. Because if we think

812
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: about or if we take ourselves back to two thousand

813
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: three when the United States was invading Iraq again, and

814
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: I believe Saddam at least the story goes that Saddam

815
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: Hussein ordered his son and a bunch of other men

816
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: in trucks to go to one of the largest Baghdad

817
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 1: banks and take out a billion dollars or as close

818
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: to a billion dollars as he could to basically procure

819
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: it and say, you know, we're about to be under

820
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: attack where at war, we need to make sure this

821
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: money isn't stolen by the opposing forces, right, But they

822
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: in turn essentially stole a billion dollars out of the bank.

823
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: Because it's I don't know, it's just such an odd

824
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: thing to think about it that way, and it makes

825
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: you wonder how often that kind of thing occurs where

826
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: moneys that are accrued from all these various places, but

827
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, are thought to be the state's money, depending

828
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: on when a conflict is occurring and how it's occurring. Um,

829
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. It makes you makes me wonder about

830
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: Fort Knox a little bit. Right again, what we see here,

831
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: the clear trend is that the most successful heist in

832
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: terms of escaping arrest and in terms of escaping arrest

833
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: with the money or with the loot, whatever that may be. Uh,

834
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: those successful heist tend to have state actors somehow involved.

835
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: Those are the inside jobs that carry the most weight

836
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: in the highest chance of success. In Afghanistan, we've got

837
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: what an estimated forty five billion dollars that went missing.

838
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: There's a report from the Fiscal Times in that talks

839
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: about how this came to be. And the big question

840
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: is whether these missing dollars vanished due to a purposeful,

841
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: intentional heist or whether it's just flawed accounting on the

842
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: part of the Pentagon, which has for the entirety of

843
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: most people's lives listening to this show, always had a

844
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: problem with accounting, always so weird. Those black budgets, they

845
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: just don't match up with the money that doesn't exist. Yeah.

846
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: As of twenty team, the Pentagon had data for about

847
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: fifty seven percent of the almost eight hundred million that

848
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: they spent on one program in this country between two

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Speaker 1: thousand two and two thousand thirteen. Again, that's not the

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Speaker 1: whole pie. It's just something called the commander's Emergency Response Program.

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Speaker 1: And this is something the Fiscal Times rightly criticizes because

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Speaker 1: it's very difficult to see where the money. You can

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Speaker 1: where it goes. It is a black bag, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a black budget. It's it's a mystery box, you know,

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Speaker 1: And such is the nature of military conflicts. I guess. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: here just for a peek behind the current without getting

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Speaker 1: two into the weeds on it. Under the Emergency Response program,

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Speaker 1: here commanders could spend money to respond to uh, sudden catastrophes,

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Speaker 1: immediate needs, you know, fires, floods, earthquakes. Theoretically that kind

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Speaker 1: So question, I don't know the answer to this, but

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Speaker 1: question how often or how rarely did someone request four

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars seriously or just four. Yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: don't want to be you don't want to show off.

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Speaker 1: You only need to test it rosa man. That's uh

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Speaker 1: sounds like petty cash in a way, but up to

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple under grand Wow, that's that's insane.

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Speaker 1: Now to be fair to Uncle Sam at this at

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Speaker 1: this point, currently they have discontinued that ambiguous process, that

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Speaker 1: kind of workflow for accounting. But I but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: There's just so much money on the table there that

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Speaker 1: it feels almost certain corruption must exist. Maybe it's mitigated,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's tamped down, but it has to be there.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of people listening today who are

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Speaker 1: active or former military members, and I am certain that

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Speaker 1: some of us have seen really dodgy things happen in

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Speaker 1: the field, you know, really dodgy financial things. And uh,

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Speaker 1: why don't you go ahead and tell us what you

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Speaker 1: think about all of this that we've discussed today, and

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Speaker 1: especially if you've got personal experience that you would feel

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Speaker 1: comfortable sharing um as anonymously as you wish, Because we

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Speaker 1: talked about a whole bunch of different things. I definitely

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Speaker 1: want to cover at least a couple of these as

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Speaker 1: full episodes. Uh, it feels like there's plenty of meat

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Speaker 1: on those bones. And you know, we really just want

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Speaker 1: to find out what you think about about all of us,

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Speaker 1: So go ahead and find us on social media where

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy, where you can discuss this

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Speaker 1: with all your fellow conspiracy realists. Uh what else? People

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Speaker 1: can find you on Instagram, right, that's correct, man. You

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Speaker 1: as you want. So on behalf of our crew. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us today. We do want

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Speaker 1: to end on this final note. Please please do not

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Speaker 1: commit heist. You know, not once, you're not once, not once,

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Speaker 1: not never. Your chances of success are cartoonishly low, and

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Speaker 1: the chances of someone dying, being injured, having their lives

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Speaker 1: Ruined is incredibly offensively high. There are other ways, right there,

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Speaker 1: There are other ways to spend your time, and they

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Speaker 1: will be maybe not maybe they won't have the promise

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Speaker 1: of being as financially rewarding, but you will feel much

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Speaker 1: better about yourself, you know what I mean. Learned to

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Speaker 1: play piano. There you go, go Ben Folds with it.

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Speaker 1: You'll you'll appreciate and everyone else will too. Yeah. That

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Speaker 1: was his main thing, was heist before. You know what.

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Speaker 1: I like these ivories. If you don't care for phones,

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