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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it? Joined us always by our bars.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. Right now, we're

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Speaker 2: starting to get on mess territory with the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: We're starting to get there. I mean you can say

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Speaker 2: we're starting to get there. We're starting. I've been there

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Speaker 2: speaking about messes. This morning was a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a mess. So I'm sorry we're a little late to

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Speaker 2: the start the show here today. Alex, last night, what

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Speaker 2: did what did I text you?

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Speaker 1: You told me that it could be a bit of

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Speaker 1: a mess here because of the Rolling Stones.

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Speaker 2: I told I texted Marian. I texted him last night

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Speaker 2: knowing that this is going to be an issue, and

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Speaker 2: I left. I left the Rolling Stones. Mick Jagger himself

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Speaker 2: is going to be playing here tonight. I knew security

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Speaker 2: was going to be on ten. I knew the parking

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Speaker 2: was gonna be a mess, and I said, Alex, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a little bit messy down here at Gillette today.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you leave early.

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Speaker 1: And I left twenty minutes early. It he just takes

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Speaker 1: me twenty five minutes to get here. I left it

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Speaker 1: nine to fifteen in between the traffic because you people

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Speaker 1: don't know how to drive in the rain and I

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Speaker 1: need to navigate the parking situation. I get a team

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Speaker 1: knops is doing their job and it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: weird thing. I'm like a one off person that comes

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Speaker 1: in and says, oh, I'm here for the radio, but

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Speaker 1: like it was amazed getting in here today. Well, so

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Speaker 1: I owe everybody at some point ten minutes to catch

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Speaker 1: twenty two that we didn't get to do this morning.

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Speaker 2: If you want to, I'll do a little Q and

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Speaker 2: a two if you want to be able to drive

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Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. So we do have OTAs to

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Speaker 2: talk about in the second half the show. You have

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Speaker 2: to everybody's gonna have to let me talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit Boston Sports. Okay, I know you're all gonna have

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Speaker 2: to deal with it, all right, I wait for the

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Speaker 2: second half of the show, But I got something for you.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna channel my my inner Bill Simmons a little

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Speaker 2: bit and like go back in time and look at

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Speaker 2: the last twenty so years. So we'll get to that

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Speaker 2: in the second half of the show. But first we

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Speaker 2: got a Taco Ta's here. Yesterday, Alex and I were

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Speaker 2: both out there for the day at Patriots practice, and

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Speaker 2: last week Alex I came on this show, I'm Patriots Unfiltered,

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Speaker 2: and I was a little bit fired up about the

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Speaker 2: way that they ran practice. I just thought practice was

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Speaker 2: a little clunky. You know, it was a little inefficient.

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Speaker 2: They didn't really get a ton of work in for

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Speaker 2: Drake may I didn't love that. I didn't love him

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Speaker 2: standing around watching Jacoby Brissett and Bailey's Appy so much.

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Speaker 2: And I came in a little bit fired up about it.

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Speaker 2: And everybody told me that it was just one practice

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Speaker 2: and it's early, we shouldn't overreact, and YadA, YadA, YadA,

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Speaker 2: and you know, fred I think at me at one

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Speaker 2: why building it like letting the media into OTAs is

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Speaker 2: because I was you for the problem to yet me

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Speaker 2: personally too much of a big deal out of OTA's

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Speaker 2: totally fair, totally warranted. But we had to do a

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Speaker 2: last week. I think the one positive and not the

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Speaker 2: OTA practice yesterday is it seemed to move a lot

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Speaker 2: faster than they seem to get Drake May a lot

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Speaker 2: more working. And you know what I love the most

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Speaker 2: was when we had the split field seven on seven

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Speaker 2: practice with only three quarterbacks made a big difference. Not

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Speaker 2: But I thought it just ran a lot smoother with

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Speaker 2: And overall that was if that's how they're going to

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Speaker 2: where it definitely feels like Jacoby Brissett. They're getting Jacoby

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Speaker 2: Brisset ready to start right, but they're still giving Drake

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Speaker 2: to see the practices run moving forward. I think that

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Speaker 2: that was a good sign.

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Speaker 1: I think it was yeah, you're right, we talked about

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Speaker 1: it last week and that you know they're building up

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Speaker 1: because part of little like inside baseball here, it like

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Speaker 1: when there's a lot going on, sometimes it's tough to

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Speaker 1: we came away from that first practice and I was like,

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Speaker 1: that's weird. I feel like way more confident that I

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Speaker 1: Saw more football at this practice, which is only a

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Speaker 1: good thing. I still think there's a way to do

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: But the split field is good because you just get

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Speaker 1: the guys were expecting to beat contributors. When you talk

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Speaker 1: like Kean White who got very high praise from Grodmeo yesterday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to like these guys. It's a young team

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Speaker 1: running news systems. They just need reps. So the more

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's exactly how I feel as well, and it

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Speaker 2: was good to see that. Let's start with the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Butviously we're gonna start with the quarterbacks. That's the way

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Speaker 2: I think everybody should start, And I think the biggest

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Speaker 2: come off with me saying that I'm ready to anoint

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Speaker 2: Drake May right like he's he should be the starter

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Speaker 1: Evan is telling you, all right now, Drake May Rookie

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Speaker 2: Lock it in.

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Speaker 1: That's how I want everybody to understand this take exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel. No, I'm just kidding. Here's where

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Speaker 2: little bit more of Drake May yesterday. I'm encouraged by

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Speaker 2: the progress, and I think the bigger point that I'm

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Speaker 2: and we are expecting, hopefully now, development's not linear, right,

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Speaker 2: We talk about this all the time. You know, it

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Speaker 2: gonna be set backs. There's gonna be things that don't

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Speaker 2: was doing. I know that we posted the no look

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Speaker 2: talking about no look passes like that. That stuff's cool,

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Speaker 2: some of like the quarterback minutia stuff that he is

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Speaker 2: show that truly until we get into games into preseason

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Speaker 2: and I think he is further along in a lot

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Speaker 2: Like these people that I hear that are saying he's

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Speaker 2: you watched that practice yesterday and see where that was.

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Speaker 2: Really the baseline is what we saw yesterday, I think

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Speaker 2: is the starting point for him. And just thinking about

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Speaker 2: the build up that we're gonna get next week, mini camp,

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Speaker 2: training camp, preseason games. At some point he's gonna have

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Speaker 2: to play, not because he's the third overall pick and

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Speaker 2: that's the guy, and he's gonna I think he's gonna

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Speaker 2: take it, like I really do anything.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be a Max Jones Cam Newton situation now

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Speaker 1: that they cut Jacoby Brissett.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know if I'm ready to go there

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Speaker 2: yet because I think that Jacoby Brissett's been fine, Like

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Speaker 2: I think Cam Newton was broken, like he was done,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to give Jacoby Brissett some credit here.

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Speaker 1: He's look and solid again. I want to couch this

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Speaker 1: It's like you're I don't as long as he stays healthy,

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Speaker 1: Do have a little NFL breaking news here if you

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Speaker 1: want Jalen Wattle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, Jayalen Waddle signed an extension in Miami.

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Speaker 2: That's what Bart's talking about. I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 2: And we knew that.

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Speaker 1: It's three years eighty four point seven million, seventy six

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Speaker 2: For cheap either, that seems to be the going great

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Speaker 1: So Wattle is now the four in terms of aav

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Speaker 2: But like the Jalen Waddles of the world, the a'man Ross,

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Speaker 2: Saint Brown's even like a guy like t Higgins once

434
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Speaker 2: he signs his deal. It seems like three by twenty

435
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Speaker 2: five is kind of the market right now for those

436
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,679
Speaker 2: I know Wattle got a little bit extra, but in

437
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 2: guaranteed money, it's basically three by twenty five. So I

438
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: think that's what we're looking at quickly. On Jacoby Brissett,

439
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: we mentioned him already a little bit, but yeah, you know,

440
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Speaker 2: I think Jacoby O. Brissett deserves some praise as well.

441
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Speaker 2: From what we saw yesterday, I thought both quarterbacks through

442
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Speaker 2: the ball well and seven on seven especially. But I

443
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Speaker 2: think ultimately the bigger bottom line is is that if

444
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Speaker 2: you were to watch this practice in a vacuum and

445
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Speaker 2: evaluate who is the starter of the Patriots, I think

446
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 2: we would all agree that Jacoby Brissett is the one

447
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 2: that they are preparing. It seems like at this point

448
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Speaker 2: to be started doesn't mean the door is completely closed.

449
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Speaker 2: On Drake May beating him out in training camp and

450
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Speaker 2: being the starter week one. But I would say that

451
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Speaker 2: it's pretty heavily tilted right now that they are planning

452
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Speaker 2: on let's get youa Kobe ready, you know, it looks

453
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Speaker 2: like it's gonna be him.

454
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely feels like the plan, And I mean

455
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Speaker 1: we've talked about that, We kind of expected that, We've

456
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Speaker 1: expected that for a while. So again, there's just this

457
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Speaker 1: balancing act now you have to have between getting Jacobe

458
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Speaker 1: Burssett ready for the season and working on Drake May's

459
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Speaker 1: development goes we talked about the top of the show,

460
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Speaker 1: there has to be you know, the more reps the

461
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Speaker 1: better because you're doing both those things simultaneously. Both of

462
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Speaker 1: those guys need as many reps as possible.

463
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Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely all right, moving on to the receivers and

464
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Speaker 2: you can call in and we'll get to the calls

465
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Speaker 2: here in a second. We just kind of want to

466
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Speaker 2: get through some of these these top storylines from OTAs first,

467
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Speaker 2: and then we'll open up the phones and the emails

468
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Speaker 2: at eighty five to five PATS five hundred in web radio,

469
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com at the email address they can

470
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Speaker 2: reach us at let's go to the receiver and do

471
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Speaker 2: you want to do Javon Baker first or Taekwon Thoron

472
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 2: because the Taekwon Thornton's right, Let's do Javon Baker first.

473
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Speaker 2: I think the cool thing about Javon Baker is that

474
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Speaker 2: I expected his raw talent to pop a little bit

475
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Speaker 2: this time of year. This is exactly what I expected

476
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Speaker 2: to happen with these two receivers that they drafted. Jalen

477
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: Polk feels like a gamer, like he feels like a

478
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Speaker 2: once the pads come on, once the bright lights are on,

479
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Speaker 2: once the game is going, that's when he's going to

480
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Speaker 2: really do his work and really pop. I don't expect

481
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Speaker 2: him to be this freaky athlete that's gonna come out

482
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Speaker 2: here in OTAs and shorts and a T shirt and

483
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Speaker 2: put on a show like it's just not the type

484
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Speaker 2: of player you know for reference, it never really felt

485
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Speaker 2: that that was the way that that Jacoby Myers was

486
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Speaker 2: either or like Kendrick Bourne, I think is another guy

487
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Speaker 2: that Kendrick Bourne has a ton of evidence that you

488
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Speaker 2: can go back and read all of our stuff from

489
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Speaker 2: training camp, and it's kind of like Kendrick Born has

490
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Speaker 2: been a little bit quiet in training camp, right, those

491
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Speaker 2: guys don't necessarily pop in this setting as much I

492
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Speaker 2: expected Javon Baker all, I think expect is the wrong word.

493
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Speaker 2: If he was going to be a dude and like,

494
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Speaker 2: if this is gonna work, then he needed to kind

495
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: of pop in these instances because this is what he's about,

496
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: and he certainly has and he certainly did yesterday, made

497
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Speaker 2: the catch of the day. I think that you mentioned

498
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Speaker 2: high point grab over Marco Wilson, body control, awareness of

499
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Speaker 2: the sideline, footwork along the sideline, and just raw you know,

500
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: this is my ball type of energy, which you also love.

501
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: And he made another catch coming over the middle of

502
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Speaker 2: the field that I actually didn't think was a great

503
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Speaker 2: ball from Jacoby Brissett. I thought it was a little

504
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Speaker 2: bit of a hospital ball. So we'll see maybe in

505
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: live action the safety might lay him out on that one.

506
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: But he still went up and around a couple guys

507
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Speaker 2: and secured the ball and made it his You know,

508
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: that's a big part of his game. You know, I

509
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: think the catch and run stuff is also going to

510
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: be a big part of his game. But another big

511
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Speaker 2: part of his game is just the physical metality at

512
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Speaker 2: the catch point and his ability to win those fifty

513
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: to fifty balls and turn him into sixty five forty

514
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Speaker 2: five or something along those lines.

515
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Speaker 1: We talked about at the draft. I think the idea

516
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Speaker 1: for him is to get what they just butchered that math.

517
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Speaker 2: But that's okay, that's fine. Yeah, we're not a big

518
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Speaker 2: math show now for now.

519
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Speaker 1: Although the golf references, people in the chat think you

520
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: started playing golf because you've been dropping more golf references. No,

521
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Speaker 1: I mean you should. You should.

522
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Speaker 2: I got my game figure.

523
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Speaker 1: It's funny we talked about the the Drake may ball

524
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Speaker 1: tap last week is like a timing thing to line

525
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Speaker 1: everything up. Add a little toe tap to my swing.

526
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 2: After we had that.

527
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Speaker 1: Conversation, everything taped to your swing. Toe tap helped line

528
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Speaker 1: everything up. Now see you on the word JA Tour soon.

529
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Speaker 1: Are you an l I V Guy PGA?

530
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but not not.

531
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Speaker 1: It's it's the ball's going strader, are not necessarily going further.

532
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Speaker 1: U To go back to Javon Baker. Though we talked

533
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Speaker 1: about this at the draft, I think it in a

534
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Speaker 1: very basic view. I think they drafted him to get

535
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Speaker 1: what they hoped they were getting of DeVante Parker. When

536
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: the trade of formed two years ago. And that's kind

537
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Speaker 1: of the guy we've seen so far. You know, it's

538
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Speaker 1: very competitive at the catch point going up to get

539
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Speaker 1: the football, strong hands, has some way to go as

540
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Speaker 1: a rat runner. But he's a fourth round pick. Didn't

541
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Speaker 1: expect him to be perfect. But he's been encouraging so far.

542
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Speaker 1: And you said like, this is a scene where he

543
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Speaker 1: would generally shine. I actually would push back on that

544
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Speaker 1: a little bit. This is usually where the burners sign

545
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Speaker 1: and he shine. He's not a burner because he's not

546
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Speaker 1: able to play as physically right now as he probably

547
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Speaker 1: wants to. I'll actually put a little more stock in

548
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: him playing well right now because he plays the kind

549
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: of game that translates when the pads come on, unlike

550
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Speaker 1: the next guy will talk about. So I'm I'll take

551
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: debate here. I'll take debate here. I'm in on Jaymon Baker.

552
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Speaker 2: I'm like it what I'm seeing. There's obviously a million

553
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: stories of it going one way or a Now they're

554
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: where a rookie receiver is nowhere to be fat in

555
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: OTAs and ends up going to have a great career,

556
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Speaker 2: or the opposite is true. Didn't Jamar Chase have like

557
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: a horrible He had a lot of drops. He was

558
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: struggling with drops and like the you know, the different footballs,

559
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Speaker 2: And I.

560
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Speaker 1: Just always think about that when I remember people writing

561
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Speaker 1: him off left and right.

562
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't anything to do with like getting open though.

563
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Speaker 2: It was just that he had to adjust to the

564
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 2: ball and things like that. But I think with Baker,

565
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: I just feel like, in terms of comparing him to Polk,

566
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Speaker 2: I expected him to pop a little bit more than

567
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Speaker 2: Polk just because of his raw talent and his physical,

568
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, specimen type of ability. I hear you on

569
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Speaker 2: the speed though usually this is a little bit more

570
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Speaker 2: of a track meet, and he's not necessarily one of

571
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Speaker 2: those guys. But I think his explosiveness is a little

572
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: bit better or different than some of the other players

573
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Speaker 2: that they have on the team, where you can see

574
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Speaker 2: that that little bit of bursts or those short bursts

575
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Speaker 2: you know, in succession, and the explosiveness and twitch to

576
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: his movements are definitely there. And he has that alpha

577
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: in him, like he wants the ball, you know, and

578
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Speaker 2: he if you throw in his direction, he's going to

579
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 2: go and get the football, which I think is encouraging.

580
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: They need that, they need some of that that attitude,

581
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's there's some talk, you know,

582
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: Greg Badard reported about some of his red flags coming

583
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: into the draft and why teams that were a little

584
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: bit lower on him or some teams had him off

585
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 2: the board. I do think that there's an element though

586
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: that he might have gone a little bit too far

587
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: in his introductory press conference and they'll walk it back

588
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: with him and get him more in line. But I

589
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: don't really care about that much about that stuff. It's

590
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: more about how you play, and I think there is

591
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 2: an element to all of this where that room just

592
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: kind of needs some confidence and needs some like alpha

593
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: and yeah, like bravado to it. I feel like over

594
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: the last couple of years they've had some quieter guys,

595
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: but they've also just had this sort of stink around him,

596
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: where like they just know that they're not a very

597
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: good receiver room. And I think you need to have

598
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of the opposite and be a little

599
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: bit more confident about it. And you know, Bourne has

600
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: that Bourne has that juju, that energy, but I'd like

601
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: to see a little bit more of that from some

602
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: of these other guys. And I think Baker's got and

603
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: that's also encouraging. So I'm encouraged by all of it.

604
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: I think with Baker, I think the one thing that

605
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: you mentioned that it needs to be a work in

606
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: progress for him is the route running, especially at the

607
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, like his release package and his varied

608
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: release mobility and things like that. I think that that

609
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: needs some work, and he has some wasted motion that

610
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: I think the need to cut out at the line

611
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: of scrimmage. But all that stuff can be worked out,

612
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: and I think this is one gonna be one of

613
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: those guys early on in his career that you're just

614
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: gonna want to feed the rock to and whether it's

615
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: jump balls down the field or it's a scheme, touches

616
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: or you know, short stuff that he can catch and

617
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: run with the football. Maybe not a technician, you know,

618
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: that's not gonna be his game necessarily early on, but

619
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to integrate some of that other

620
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: stuff in there early on that will make up for it.

621
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: I've gotten with those comps, you know, Gabe Davis, Romeo Dobbs,

622
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: like those types of players. I still feel the same way.

623
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: I think that those guys are what we're looking at

624
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: a lot which jayvon Baker is a time for taekwon.

625
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: Now go ahead, all right, So I promised you all,

626
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: and I promised Alex that I wasn't gonna get duped

627
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: by taekwon again. Right, we're not doing taekwan again? Sounds

628
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: like you're about to or are we doing taekwan again?

629
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: No? No, because I've seen this.

630
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: Are we doing it again or not? I'm not.

631
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: Look, I'm not gonna I'm not writing them off entirely.

632
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna sit here and tell you two

633
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: good OTA practices. And suddenly he's back in the picture, like,

634
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: let's see it when the pads come on, because we've

635
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: gone down this road. He's a very good OTAs starts

636
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: camp well, pads come on, starts to fade, gets hurt.

637
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: That's been each of his first two years. Yeah, so

638
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: he's had a good start. I'm not gonna take that

639
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: away again. I'm not writing them off. This isn't me

640
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: saying no it's fake cut him.

641
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: It's me saying he's.

642
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: Succeeded at this stage before, and that's fine, but I

643
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: need to see him succeed at later stages before I

644
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: buy in. Before I say, all right, like there's you know,

645
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: it's time to you know, fa men keep six receivers

646
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: or do we start talking about kJ Osborne and what's

647
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: his role now? Because you start building that up and

648
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: then he gets hurt and now you're back to where

649
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: you started. So I know I'm not totally buying it.

650
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: The biggest thing to me is he's been working a

651
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: lot on special teams. That's more eye opening to me

652
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: than anything else because it's new. And if he's gonna

653
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: make the roster, he's gonna be lower on the depth

654
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: chart and he's gonna have to play in the kicking game.

655
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: So that's bigger to me than anything else. But we've

656
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: seen him succeed at this stage before. We've got a

657
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: long way to go before I'm ready to buy in

658
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: on like he's back and he's ready to be a

659
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: regular part of the offense.

660
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: I hear you. You're absolutely right, and I agree with you,

661
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna let him. I'm not taking the

662
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: cheese again. I'm not gonna let him do this to

663
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: me again. But on a positive note, I do think

664
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: that there's two things that Taekwon has going for him.

665
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 2: If we want to do Taekwon again and I'm on

666
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: your side. Yeah, all right, I'm not gonna take de

667
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: bait again. The bottom line is is that that type

668
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: of receiver, a speed receiver without contact. This is what

669
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: those guys look like this time of year, Like, that's

670
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: what they should look like. Even Pop Douglas, who is

671
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: a good NFL player, don't get me wrong, but he's

672
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: had a couple of nice practices too. Because he's just

673
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: a speedy guy, shifty guy. They can't touch him. There's

674
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: no fear of him getting hit, right, So he's just

675
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: running all over the place like that's what Taekwon's doing

676
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: right now. So I hear you. We've seen this movie before.

677
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: This is exactly what he does every single spring before

678
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: the pads come on. The pads come on, and two

679
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: things happen. One the contact and the ability to jam

680
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: him at the line of scrimmage and ride him through

681
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 2: the route that throws him off kilter. The second thing

682
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: that happens he gets hurt, and mainly he gets hurt

683
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: falling to the ground, which is just to do that

684
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: as a receiver. Yeah, so that's where the bulked up

685
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: upper body is coming in and for him is what

686
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: he said is that he's trying to be more durable

687
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: and when he falls to the ground, because look, the

688
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: deep ball is not always going to be right on

689
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: you. You might have to lay out for one every once

690
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: in a while. And that's what happened joint practices against

691
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: the Packers. He laid out for one and lands on

692
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: his shoulder and gets hurt. So he's gotta be better

693
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: in that respect. The two can I make two arguments

694
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: for why we're doing taekwon again? Maybe though canna just

695
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: and this is nothing to do it really has nothing

696
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: to do with taikwan. Is it gonna be about special teams? No?

697
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: All right, definitely not, it really has.

698
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: I think that's why if you're gonna do it again,

699
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: that's why he's playing special teams now, and that's how

700
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna get on the roster now.

701
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: I know this is two things that are not talking

702
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: me into him the individually necessarily, but are a path

703
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: for him. I think the first thing is is we

704
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: have to we have to acknowledge the fact that the

705
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks that they have now, Jacoby Brissett and Drake

706
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: may are much more capable of unlocking his long speed

707
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: like they're just much more capable of throwing the deep

708
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: ball down the field and making him a more more

709
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 2: threatening deep ball receiver like those guys. That's that's what

710
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: they do, especially Drake May Like that's his bread and

711
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: butter is throwing the ball down the field, and he's

712
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: going to be able to unlock Taekwon at a level

713
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: that Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi couldn't. And when I

714
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: say Taekwon, I just mean that type of receiver. I'm

715
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: not talking necessarily about Taekwon, Like maybe it's somebody else

716
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: down the road, but in that individual skill set, that

717
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: type of skill set is going to lend itself a

718
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: lot more to a player like Taekwon Thornton now than

719
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: it would have before with the other quarterbacks. The other

720
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: thing that makes me encouraged about why this actually could

721
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: stick is he is a much better fit in this

722
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: offense than he was in the old system. Like this

723
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: offense is going to allow him to just take the

724
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: top off the defense, run the deep post, run crossing

725
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: routes like he made the eleven on eleven catch yesterday

726
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: on a crossing route off a bootleg play action where

727
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: all he's got to do is run fast in a

728
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: straight line across the field, like we're not asking him to,

729
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: you know, convert routes and get open at the top

730
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: of the route and oh you have you know a

731
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: two way go here, and you got to read the

732
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: leverage and you got to figure out what you're supposed

733
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: to go zone man, leverage inside, outside, and all this

734
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: different thoughts and think you know all these things right

735
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: that went into the old offense that we know went

736
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: into the old offense. Now we're putting him in a

737
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: situation where it's basically just him running fast in a

738
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: straight line, and that's what he's good at well, and

739
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 2: he has catched the ball, sure, But ultimately, in terms

740
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: of the route tree that he's going to be asked

741
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: to running this offense, this is what he's built to do.

742
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: He was not built to do the the West Welk

743
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: or Julian Edelman thing that they were trying to get

744
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: him to do before. He's built to do this, and

745
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: so it's a better schematic fit. And you've talked about

746
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: this in the past. I know we've talked about this

747
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: in the past. When they drated him in twenty two,

748
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: all of us kind of thought that this is what

749
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: Matt Patricia was going to try to do offensively, was

750
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: go to more of this type of you know, Shanahan

751
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: outside zone type of system and never reticulated for several reasons.

752
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: But now they have a coaching staff that knows what

753
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: they're doing when it comes to running this type of offense,

754
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 2: and if any player that they have on the roster

755
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: that's a holdover from the past regime, any player that

756
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: will could benefit the most, I think from this switch

757
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: into systems. It's it's Taekwon, Like I think that he's

758
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: probably the one guy that you look at that you

759
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: say he's a better fit for sure in this offense.

760
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: And the I agree with all that.

761
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: It's just you know, he's got to be he's got

762
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: to be able to stay on the fieldfre It's all matter, sure,

763
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: and that's the big.

764
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: Concern for me.

765
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: Also, it's just and I mean, look, he it's a

766
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: unique situation, but generally, wide receiver, more than any other position,

767
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: rookie year performance.

768
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: Is indicative of career performance.

769
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: You don't see the late bloomers that right. You don't

770
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: see that many wide receivers that suddenly show up year three,

771
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: year four more than any other position.

772
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: That's the case.

773
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: Like, so tight end's the opposite right tight end has

774
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: more late bloomers than any position. Rookie tight ends almost

775
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: never produce. Yet there's still some great tight ends in

776
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: this league. They just take a little longer to develop

777
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks kind of its own thing off. But like wide receiver, generally,

778
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: if you're good as a rookie, you're gonna be a

779
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: good player. If you're not as good as a rookie,

780
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be as.

781
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 2: Good of a player. That's just kind of how it happens.

782
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: Again, this is a unique situation, new scheme and all

783
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: of that, and he hasn't really been healthy, but we'll see.

784
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: He's got a big part of reason on buying and

785
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: it's just like he's got to stay healthy. He has

786
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: to stay healthy. And I'm still when the pads come on,

787
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: what's that gonna look like?

788
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's totally fair.

789
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: And I.

790
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: I do this every year to myself. He suckers me

791
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: back in every spring. I'm trying not to let that

792
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: happen again. I just think that when you look at

793
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: the skill set of the quarterbacks, you look at the

794
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: system they're going to be running, there's a vision there

795
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: that you could project a role for a player with

796
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: his skill set. Is he gonna realize it, is he

797
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: gonna stay healthy? All those things remain to be seen,

798
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: but there's a vision there of how that player could succeed.

799
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: Before we get to the mess that is the Patriots

800
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: offensive line. I don't I want to go on the

801
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball because we tend to be

802
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: offense heavy. I know that's what everybody's interested in. There

803
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: are a couple guys though, on the defense side of

804
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 2: the ball. I know Drod Mayo mentioned ke On White.

805
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think I noticed Keon White a ton

806
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: yesterday necessarily, but that's a player that Drod Mayo seems

807
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: to lye On Mayo And we have an email about

808
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: it too from David just saying I been hearing the

809
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: buzz around Keon White and wonder if there's a role

810
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: for him in the defense, and he says he loves

811
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: the show. So thanks for that. Thank you.

812
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: Mayl and Covington both highlighted that you know he's doing

813
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: more in the meeting room. He came in in shape,

814
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: which isn't always the case for those linemen. It just

815
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: we're not gonna see with a guy like him until

816
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: the pads come on. But it seems like he's done

817
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: everything right up until this point, and that's encouraging because

818
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: there's certainly a role.

819
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: For him on this team. There is a role. I

820
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: don't know what it is yet, and that my concern.

821
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's a concern, but my

822
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: my thing with Keon White is that I just don't

823
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: know where he plays and like what his best position is.

824
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: To me, that's the hardest part about his projection. It's

825
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: not necessarily that he doesn't have the talent or he

826
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: doesn't have the work ethic or the drive to be

827
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 2: a really good football player in this league. It's more

828
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: about this The thing I keep on banging the drum about.

829
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: Is he a three to four outside linebacker? Is he

830
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: a three four end? Are they gonna play more even front,

831
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: you know, four down where they're gonna be able to

832
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: use him as like a four three end, which is

833
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: I think maybe where he's would be best in the

834
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: in a regular defense, you know, in a base defense,

835
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: would be as a four to three end where he's

836
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: still got his hand in the dirt. Where I think

837
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: he's a little bit more explosive because he's got that

838
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, he's get his body down and he can

839
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: you know, kind of jump out of that stance. But

840
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: I also think that in this system, I'm still wondering

841
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 2: if they're still odd front, if there's still three four mechanics,

842
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: Like where does he fit from a body type standpoint?

843
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: Where does he fit in that scheme? I have no

844
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: not a ton of concern about, like is he a

845
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: good football player? Like I think he is a good

846
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: football player. I just don't know exactly where he fits

847
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: yet still, so I'm still waiting to see that element

848
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: of it. It's like with can he stay healthy? You know,

849
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: can he exercise those demons? With Keon White, it's like,

850
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: I don't know where he He's kind of a tweeener,

851
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: and they have to figure out where he's going to

852
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: be best suited. I know, ideally if he turns into

853
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: like a Trey Flowers type and he's playing everywhere, but

854
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: that's like a ceiling, right, so you know, where is

855
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: he going to play exactly? Is going to be the

856
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: biggest question with him.

857
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that'll come some of that will

858
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: come down to injuries. And things like that. But I

859
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: think they can move around a little bit, which is

860
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: part of why I think he has a role.

861
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm encouraged by some of the things that they've

862
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,200
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Speaker 2: I have a few more things, but let's open the

871
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: phone lines because these people have been waiting. Marcus is

872
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: in South Carolina. What's up, Marcus?

873
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 4: Hey, how y'all doing?

874
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: Ate the show?

875
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: Thanks for waiting. Thanks.

876
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 3: I really wanted to ask about Jonathan Jones. He's a

877
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: stable corner for our secondary for the past twenty sixteen.

878
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: I think very underrated and I know he's coming down

879
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: to the end of his contract, so I just want

880
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: to give him Miss Flowers, get you all thoughts on

881
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: bringing him back and keeping him a.

882
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 5: Part of our core.

883
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, thanks for the call, Marcus. I love Jonathan Jones.

884
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: I think Jonathan Jones a super underrated player in the

885
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: NFL lexicon. I think he guys should get deserves deserves

886
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: more credit, you know, more national recognition for how good

887
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: he is. And I actually wrote this down. I think

888
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: this is an interesting conversation about their secondary because as

889
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: much as I know that he got picked on a

890
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: lot by Patriots fans, Miles Bryant, Miles Bryant leaving does

891
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: open up a hole, Yeah, in that star position. I

892
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: was talking to Mike pelgreno the Patriots cornerbacks about this yesterday,

893
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: and you know, he mentioned that that star position is

894
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: sort of wide open right now. He said that Marcus

895
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 2: Jones has done it a little bit in the past.

896
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones has obviously done it a little bit in

897
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: the past. But the bottom line is that Miles Bryant

898
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: wore a bunch of different hats. He played a pretty

899
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: versatile role. He played a high IQ role, like one

900
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: that takes a lot of metal stress to play, and

901
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: he played it at a decent level. Again, I know

902
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: his man coverage numbers and his up and down play

903
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: in man coverage is for a lot of people, are

904
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: they're happy to see him go and hopefully upgrade that

905
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: spot in those situations. And I hear that, but I

906
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: think that if you talk to the coaches that have

907
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: been here, they're very, very effusive with their praise about

908
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: Miles Bryant and now he's not here. So when it

909
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: as it released to Jonathan Jones, I'm all for keeping

910
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones here long term or at least short term.

911
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: Long term, you know, he's getting up there in age,

912
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: but two to three more years of Jonathan Jones signed

913
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: me up. I think the biggest thing that you have

914
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: to worry about or wonder about is how they're going

915
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: to deploy this secondary group because they do need somebody

916
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: to step into that star role. Is it Marcus Jones?

917
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: Is he ready to take on a full time role

918
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: in the defense? Does he stay healthy? You know, similar

919
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: conversation we had with Taekwon. And the other thing is is,

920
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, I haven't been encouraged a little bit by

921
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: what I've seen from Alex Austin and Marcella's dial so far.

922
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: I'd throw Marco Wilson in there and Isaiah Bolden out

923
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: a pass breakup yesterday and maybe those guys emerges outside

924
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: corners that can play opposite Christian Gonzales and that would

925
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: allow Jonathan Jones to go back into the middle of

926
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: the field and play Star or signed steff On Gilmore.

927
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: But if that doesn't happen, yeah, no, I wanted to

928
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: talk about that when we talked about the defense.

929
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 2: I think that they're.

930
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: Giving specifically Austin and Wilson. We've seen Marcell's dial mix

931
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: in a little bit, We've seen Isaiah Bolden mix in

932
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: a little bit, Mikey Victor at a pass breakup yesterday.

933
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: But it seems like Wilson and Austin are getting the

934
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: most opportunities to kind of prove what they can do,

935
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: and that even if Jonathan Jones does go back to

936
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: the outside, that they're boundary corner spot is also an

937
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: important role. So I think you look at those two guys,

938
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: is one or both could play a role on this team,

939
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: and they've gotten off to an encouraging start.

940
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. Actually, I think Jonathan Jones is one

941
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: of those guys that is always going to be a

942
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: little bit of like a matchup piece for them. You know,

943
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: when they play certain matchups, they're gonna want him on

944
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: certain guys, and whether that guy's on the inside or

945
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: the outside, he's gonna travel with that player, Tyreek Hills.

946
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: He's the Tyreek Hill stopper has probably been one of

947
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: the most successful corners in the league covering Tyreek Hill

948
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: in man coverage over the years. So you don't want

949
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 2: to mess with that, right You're gonna have him play there.

950
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: But I think in a lot of ways that I

951
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: do see a lot of value in him playing the

952
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: star role, which again is like that nickel defender role

953
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: is what we're talking about, that has a little bit

954
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: of crossover of safety and corner at times, but is

955
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: really a slot corner. You know, I don't want to

956
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: make it sound too fancy like it's a slot corner.

957
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I think that when you

958
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: look at Jonathan Jones playing more in the inside, that

959
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: could allow him to be into some safety rotation type

960
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: of stuff. We know that Kyle Duggar and Jabiriro Peppers

961
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: or you hope, are going to be a little bit

962
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 2: both playing closer to the line of scrimmage this year

963
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: and be more a natural spot for them. So maybe

964
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones factors into some of those deep field coverages

965
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: in some sort of way. And I also just think

966
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: that his communication and his leadership would be something that

967
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: they would benefit from from having in the middle of

968
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: the field, Whereas when you're playing on the outside, like

969
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: you're not really a communicator at that point, when you're

970
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: playing on the boundary, you're just kind of locking up

971
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: your side of the field, or you're a man, you're

972
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: not really the guy that's calling the shots of the defense.

973
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: When you play more in the middle of the defense,

974
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: it allows you to be a little bit more of

975
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: that communicator and a little bit more of that leader

976
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: on the field general, you know, field general type of guy.

977
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: So maybe that'll unlock Jonathan Jones to do that as well.

978
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: But he's a super versatile guy, so I like, no

979
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: matter where he plays, is gonna play well for them.

980
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about Jonathan Jones, but I do wonder

981
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 2: about that that star role, they call it, that nickel role.

982
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: Where does it change a little bit? Is it a

983
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: little bit different? You know? PELGRENA one thing he mentioned

984
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: to me was obviously that Miles Bryant's a smaller guy,

985
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: so they do have a little bit bigger player in

986
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: that position. It allowed might allow them to do different

987
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: things that they weren't able to do with Miles Bryant.

988
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: So an interesting battle there in terms of getting depth

989
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: at outside corner and then obviously pilling Miles Bryant's shoes.

990
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 2: I know some people are gonna be like filling Miles

991
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: bryant shoes.

992
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: But no, it's important. It's a spot I would throw.

993
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: By the way, we talked about the slot corners, throw

994
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Sean Wade there. He's looked good in slot when he's played.

995
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: He not a boundary corner in the NFL, Yeah, but

996
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: he's look good in the slot when he's played different

997
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of slot corner.

998
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know people you know are high on

999
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: on Za Bolden, like I think that he's somebody that

1000
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: is still in the mix there. But I really am

1001
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: encouraged a lot by Alex Austin. I think, yeah, he

1002
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: played well last year down the stretch in actual regular

1003
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 2: season games, and then he's still playing well I think

1004
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: in these practices from what we've seen, the little bit

1005
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: that we have seen, he's been competitive, and he's been

1006
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: playing well too, and he's got size, he's got some

1007
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: long speed to him, he's got you know, that ability

1008
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: to win physically on the outside too. I'm encouraged by that.

1009
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: I think that he's somebody that, at the very least,

1010
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: like you have your third outside corner and Alex Austin.

1011
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: Maybe he's not a true quote unquote starter, right, but

1012
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 2: I think at the worst, you're looking at a guy

1013
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: that can be that third outside corner.

1014
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what they need like that, And nobody's

1015
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: saying he's going to be the number one starter, but

1016
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: that's what they're looking for.

1017
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Justin is in Houston? What's up Justin? Justin? Justin

1018
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: going once? All right? You can call us back ahead

1019
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: him on home for a little while. You can call

1020
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: us back. Christian is in LA. What's up Christian?

1021
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: And you guys good good morning or good accidents because

1022
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 4: you guys are out there. But so, I was thinking

1023
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 4: about the idea of the eighteen game season that's approaching.

1024
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 4: Even though it hasn't happened, we all know it is.

1025
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 4: It's probably inevitable. And with that comes they need to

1026
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: have specialized players that are getting experience and development, but

1027
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 4: not necessarily putting mileage on their bodies or getting them

1028
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 4: close to injury. And so I thought of this. This

1029
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 4: this the notion of this NFL university, right, NFL you

1030
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 4: where you take the remaining players that year, having gotten drafted,

1031
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 4: let's say, and the key positions that are most likely

1032
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 4: to get hurt. Right, we do a little study and

1033
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 4: we see mainly alignment of this blah blah blah get hurt.

1034
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 4: And we continue to develop those players within that that

1035
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 4: NFL style bubble and to get them some in game experience,

1036
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 4: we can have them do exhibition that you take a North, South, East,

1037
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 4: and West team, four teams in the NFL youth and

1038
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 4: we can have them do exhibition games in the emerging

1039
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 4: foreign markets like you know, Mexico, things like that, where

1040
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 4: these guys are getting in gaming experience, not so much

1041
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: mileage on them. They are talented enough to kind of

1042
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: be NFL players, but they just didn't get drafted, and

1043
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 4: teams could plug in are grabbing from that bubble of

1044
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 4: players if these injuries come up, as they will, because

1045
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: they're going to be more games. But you guys bought

1046
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: them something like that.

1047
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Christian appreciate it. This is essentially

1048
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: what they tried to do with NFL Europe back in

1049
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: the day. This is pretty darn close to that, and

1050
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't know if we're old enough to

1051
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: really know exactly why it failed. This is more of

1052
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: like a Paul and Fred question, to be honest with you,

1053
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: of why it.

1054
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: Failed because they played the Spring in the spring at

1055
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: weird times. Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. Yeah,

1056
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: wasn't super popular over there.

1057
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: But I would say, you know, on Christian side of

1058
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: the street, I guess a little bit. The NFL and

1059
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: the product is way more popular over there now than

1060
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: it was let's say twenty twenty five years ago when

1061
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: they did NFL Europe. Like, it's definitely much much bigger

1062
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: over there. We talked on Thursday's PU or Tuesday's PU

1063
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: days or whatever Tuesday is PU about something that we've

1064
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: talked about, Alex, and that is allowing some of these

1065
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: players that are at the back end of NFL rosters

1066
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: that are competing, you know, just to make a practice squad,

1067
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: even in the NFL at this point, Yeah, to play

1068
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: in like the spring leagues like the XFL and things

1069
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: like that. And I almost loan them out out of

1070
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: these teams like a European Sonstrans essentially, Yeah, which I

1071
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: think is a little bit more. I think that's a

1072
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 2: little bit more likely than what Christian's saying, just because

1073
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: those leagues are already set up, Like those leagues already

1074
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: have funding and teams and coaching staffs and like all

1075
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: these so you're not building it from scratch. They're they're

1076
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: just using those teams as a way to develop some

1077
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: of these back end of the roster guys. And my

1078
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: point on the show earlier this week was that if

1079
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: you did that, because we are siccos, Yeah, if you

1080
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: put I'm trying to think of an example Milton, example,

1081
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: Joe Milton and those positions quarterback, offensive line, like those

1082
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: are the spots that really need the development. If you

1083
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: had Joe Milton on a team throwing to Kaishawan Boody,

1084
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: because both those guys are just trying to get into

1085
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: game action and showcase their skills, you, me and all

1086
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 2: of us sickos that listened to this show would all

1087
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: be watching those games in the spring.

1088
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: So a couple things the callers point about the extra team.

1089
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: The second iteration of the XFL actually did that. It

1090
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: was an eight team league competing, but they had it

1091
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: was just called Team nine. They were based out of Arlington, Texas.

1092
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: They had a coach, full coaching staff, everything, and they'd

1093
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: basically just practiced during the week and at the end

1094
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: of the week they'd scrimmage against each other and that

1095
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: was essentially to keep guys ready. And all of those

1096
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: guys were free agents. Yeah, but they got like, if

1097
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: you were a priority free agent, if the league deemed

1098
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: a priority free agent, you got signed.

1099
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you got paid.

1100
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: You're on a contract at tea on Team nine, practicing,

1101
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: staying ready, scrimmaging, and then teams could sign off that.

1102
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know if the NFL could do like

1103
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: a Team thirty three thing. I feel like if you

1104
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: did that, you'd have to shorten practice squads because it

1105
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: would essentially be a league wide practice squad. What I've

1106
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: been a proponent of, if we're going to go down

1107
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: this road, and this kind of marries the idea of

1108
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: spring football, the draft, and this development whatever the spring

1109
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: league ends up being. And I do think a minor league.

1110
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: I do think the NFL needs some form of minor league.

1111
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: I understand that non meaningful football games are a very

1112
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: hard sell to players, but especially at a position like quarterback,

1113
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: where we just talked about this, there's only so many

1114
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: reps to go around. You need to find ways to

1115
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: get these backup quarterbacks, these young quarterbacks ready for when

1116
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: guys get hurt. What I would do is whether it's

1117
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: a current league or starting a new league. If I

1118
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: was the NFL, I'd invest in a league that starts

1119
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: after the super Bowl, like a week or two after

1120
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and runs through mid April. And this

1121
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: league would be made up of three groups of players.

1122
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: A would just be street free agents, like you get

1123
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: guys to fill out the rosters blah blah blah. The

1124
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: other two groups, and this is where it gets kind

1125
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: of new. Like NFL Europe, each team would be able

1126
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: to assign call it ten players, ye, and you'd up

1127
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: to ten players, and you'd try to set it up

1128
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: where like if you had eight teams in the league, right,

1129
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: one team is all the AFC East players, so like

1130
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: guys stay together because you want Joe Milton, Kishan Budi

1131
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: that example, you want them playing together. So and then

1132
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: the third group, because again this is after the Super

1133
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: Bowl to right before the draft. The third group would

1134
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: be draft eligible players. So let's say you're a guy

1135
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: I came up with this idea a couple of years ago.

1136
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: So it's almost like a glorified version of like the

1137
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: Senior Bowler.

1138
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: Right, So if you're a first round pick, you're not

1139
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: playing this, right, But if you're like a fringe draftable player,

1140
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: like like, who's it? Jill Milton's not really an example

1141
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: of this because he's older. I'm trying to think of

1142
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: like a guy that accord I had a really good

1143
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: one a couple of years ago. A quarterback that's like

1144
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: a later round pick because he maybe wasn't as experienced, younger.

1145
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: Guy thing like that take.

1146
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go back here, give me a second,

1147
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: but like one of these quarterbacks that maybe doesn't get

1148
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 1: as much run.

1149
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: Oh j Perry, right, the quarterback a round a couple

1150
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: of years ago.

1151
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: He remember, it's like all Ivy League and all that,

1152
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: but he was like a fringe pick, so nobody really knew.

1153
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: He can choose instead of the Senior Bowl and the combine.

1154
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: I guess you could still do the Senior Bowl, but

1155
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: instead of the combine all that, he can choose to

1156
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: go play in this league and it doesn't make get paid,

1157
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: becau it's the pro league and there be a lot

1158
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: to work out here, but like, it doesn't make them

1159
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: not draft eligible. And the way I think you sell

1160
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: this to the players and to the NFL is as

1161
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: we do our pre draft coverage.

1162
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: What happens if EJ.

1163
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: Perry's in this league throwing for three hundred yards a

1164
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: game and this is a guy that wasn't supposed to

1165
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: be drafted. Now we start talking about how real is this?

1166
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: And it would be the same for all positions, but

1167
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: especially quarterback, right, and then the championship would be like

1168
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: the week before the draft, and now you might get

1169
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: some guys that bright eyes opening this league. I think

1170
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: the honestly the best example of this is a quantes

1171
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: uh starts as an s the corner who the Jets

1172
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: took Give me a second here, Sorry I'm blanking on

1173
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: his last name.

1174
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing while you look this up

1175
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: to me is that it's it's a win win in

1176
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: a lot of ways because it's a huge win for

1177
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: the spring league, right because now again a sickos are

1178
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: watching and.

1179
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: Oh if it was if it was like draft elge guys,

1180
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: so that the name I was thinking of was Quantes Stiggers. Yeah,

1181
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: because he didn't play in college. He had for to

1182
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: look up the story. It's awesome, but like he went

1183
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: right to the CFL. He dropped out of college, didn't

1184
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: played college football, went to the CFL, essentially played in

1185
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: the spring summer and got his value back up. So

1186
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: somebody in the chat compared it to like an NFL

1187
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: G league.

1188
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm arguing for. I'm not as

1189
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: interested in I know, Day three of the draft is

1190
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: your time to shine, all right, I don't take that

1191
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: shine away from you. So I'm not as interested as

1192
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: in like the six or seventh round pick type thing.

1193
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm more interested in guys that are already NFL players.

1194
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 2: This being a developmental league, a g league, a minor

1195
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: league system for those NFL players, because I think the

1196
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: biggest thing that we see and it doesn't necessarily happen

1197
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 2: as much at other positions, but right now in the NFL,

1198
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: I think there's two epidemics going on. One is offensive

1199
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: line play, which is crap across the entire league. Is

1200
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: enough linem right, there's not enough good lineman and A

1201
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: big reason why they're not developing is because there's only

1202
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: so many padded practices a year now because of the

1203
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: new CBA and the new stuff that's going on with

1204
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 2: the league, that they're not getting live reps. And then

1205
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: if you're somebody like Jake Andrews, for example, is just

1206
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 2: the name that comes to my mind immediately. He played

1207
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 2: what like seventy five snaps last year as a rookie,

1208
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: So he's not playing at all during the season, So

1209
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: how are those guys supposed to get better? And because

1210
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: the depth is so bad, as soon as guys start

1211
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: to get injured, now all of a sudden, you're going

1212
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: to the bench and the guys on the bench are

1213
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: also stink right like, and so now everybody stinks. So

1214
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,959
Speaker 2: the way to make lineman better they have to play.

1215
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 2: They have to play when they have to play in

1216
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: games because you can't simulate contact like in a spring ota.

1217
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: So that's why.

1218
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 1: But that's why in my idea, you do it between

1219
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and the draft, because then these guys,

1220
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: it's a long season. I get it, but do you

1221
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: want to make the roster not right? And then they

1222
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: would have the break from April to.

1223
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: July, well to OTAs, but well that might be going away.

1224
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: Actually if they were to switch to the offseason starting

1225
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: in and.

1226
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: This is what we do, we put the pieces.

1227
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: But this is so the reason I had the college players,

1228
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: and Evan, I'm with you on that, like they need

1229
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: to play in that why it's valuable. The reason I

1230
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: had the college players is I don't know that people

1231
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: are tuning in to watch guys that are already on

1232
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: the roster. You had the draft element. So this was

1233
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: my other I came up I think a couple of

1234
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: underestimating it. Also, hang on, hang on. I came up

1235
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: with this a couple of years ago, and this was

1236
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: my other plan. You'd put the teams in big college

1237
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: football markets that don't have NFL teams. And so this

1238
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 1: was part of my idea. Take a guy like Malie

1239
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: Cunningham who's big in Louisville, right, really big, and he's

1240
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 1: going to the draft and you don't know what's gonna

1241
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: happen with him. You do it territorially or mostly territorially,

1242
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: where you can so guys go and play near where

1243
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: they played in college.

1244
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: So you can go watch.

1245
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: Malie Cunningham in Louisville, you can go watch Max duggan.

1246
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: I guess you know, Dallas has a team, the Cowboys.

1247
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: But like you put Max dugg In on a team

1248
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: in San Antonio or in Austin or in l Passa

1249
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: or something like that right where he's uh, you know,

1250
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: you get that chance to watch him in that environment,

1251
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: and it would be a draw for college football fans,

1252
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: not just the NFL fans. It's the last chance to

1253
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: watch these guys in those settings, so.

1254
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: That that incentivises it for the league for sure. That's

1255
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: the thing I think the league I understand, like I

1256
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: think a lot of Patriots fans and a lot of

1257
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: football fans. Now, look, it would have to draw a

1258
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: certain caliber of player, Like if we're talking about it

1259
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: only drawing you know, real like the Nayton we used

1260
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: to use with Trey Nixon, Right, If it's only going

1261
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: to draw those types of players, then I don't think that. Well,

1262
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: that's why I'm saying goes to that level. But if

1263
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: it draws a Joe Milton, right, every every sicko Patriots

1264
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: fan that listens to Catch twenty two is watching Bill.

1265
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: This is also why I'm saying, like you have the

1266
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: players come right out of college, and you put it

1267
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: in the college markets because you will hearraw the college

1268
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: football fan as much as you'll draw the NFL fan.

1269
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing, though, isn't there's some interest

1270
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: from Tennessee fans about Joe Milton. Yeah, and I go

1271
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: to a quarterback too, because I think the two big

1272
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 2: I mentioned offensive line, it's a problem that there's not

1273
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: enough development for offensive lineman nowadays. I also think the

1274
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: same is true for backup quarterback. I'm not talking about

1275
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: and we're not talking about Drake May playing in these leagues,

1276
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: right Well, that's not that's off the table. We're also

1277
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: obviously not talking about Patrick Mahomes playing in this league,

1278
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: right like that. We're talking about guys like Joe Miller.

1279
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: But brock Purty might have played. And that's the thing.

1280
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: If if this kind of thing it existed, does brock

1281
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: Purty end up as mister relevant or maybe he gets

1282
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: a little more on tape and this this league I'm

1283
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: using what have like NFL rules, You get to see

1284
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: these guys, right, they should just hire us as really

1285
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: brock Purty, Well, there's a lot I don't know legally

1286
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: how this would all work with college. Okay, like maybe

1287
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: so Brock Purty is perfect example is what if Brock

1288
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: Purdy goes to this league and kind of lights it

1289
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: up and then we get on top of all the

1290
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: How much, Evan do we always be moan during the

1291
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: pre draft as much as we talk about it the combine?

1292
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: You know, PROA it's not real football, So sure you

1293
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: have uh uh it's the price young draft, right, was

1294
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: Brock Pert? No, it's to Kenny pick a draft. There's

1295
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: no good quarterbacks. Sure, you have Kenny Pickett out here

1296
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: at the Combine lighting it up. You have Malik Wills

1297
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: out here at the Combine lighting it up.

1298
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: But how do we.

1299
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: Weigh that versus Brock parties in the Lazarre Bar Spring

1300
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: Football Development League and he's playing well. It doesn't mean

1301
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a first round pick, but it's like, hey,

1302
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: look at this guy is doing something. And I just

1303
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: think it would be really fun for the for the

1304
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: draft process. I think it would be fun for the

1305
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: draft process. And I also think it would be really

1306
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: fun to see Joe Milton, to see offensive linemen, and

1307
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: I honestly, I think cornerback would be another I.

1308
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: Honestly believe that there would be a benefit to the

1309
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: NFL teams, Like I absolutely. And you mentioned the draft

1310
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: process to somebody a chat stream the games on like Netflix. Yeah, yeah,

1311
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: sure you can. I'm telling you this. Would you make

1312
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: this whole thing just to make a crap ton of

1313
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 2: money and all these NFL teams.

1314
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: And you know what, it would only benefit from it,

1315
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: and you know what else, it would just feed the

1316
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: draft machine even further.

1317
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned the draft eligible guys. Yeah, those

1318
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: guys are now competing against borderline NFL players almost like

1319
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl. But it's like this extended runway exactly.

1320
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: So you get a look at you know, you would

1321
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 1: see maybe a corner who's a fringe Day three pick

1322
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: against like Kaishawn Booty or against the you know guy

1323
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: like that, and you see how they line up.

1324
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: I don't understand why we're not doing this. I look,

1325
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: it's a no brainer because they just don't develop quarterbacks

1326
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: and offensive linement enough, especially and I know I keep

1327
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 2: prping on those two positions, but it would go such

1328
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: a long way for the NFL if they could upgrade

1329
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: the backup quarterback, like if like just the level of

1330
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: play in general for backup quarterbacks was better, and the

1331
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: only way you're gonna do that is let him play more. Yeah,

1332
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: I do believe, And maybe it's not this whole thing

1333
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: with the draft and the signing players, but I do

1334
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: believe the NFL is going to have a minor league

1335
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 2: at some point sooner around later. We've heard coaches talk

1336
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: about the AAF, the Spring League, the USFL, the XFL,

1337
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: now the UFL. We've heard coaches talk about how they

1338
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: can find players from there. It doesn't mean every player

1339
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: in that league is NFL caliber, but if you're getting

1340
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: five or ten players out of that league a year,

1341
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: especially if you get a quarterback or two, there's immense value. Now,

1342
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: the biggest problem in that league is the quarterback play. Yeah,

1343
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: so that's another bridge you've got across. But if you

1344
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 2: had NFL teams loaning out quarterbacks, the quarterback play improves,

1345
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: and that would create a chain reaction. Like seriously, if

1346
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 2: you watch these games not to get I know, we're

1347
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: really getting into it now and you'll probably roll your

1348
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: eyes at this, but yep, there is some decent football

1349
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: being played in those leagues. I mean, but they're they're

1350
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 2: semi professional football players.

1351
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: This is their professional the level the level of quarterback

1352
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: play caps what some other guys are able to do. Yeah,

1353
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: and that I think limits their ability to produce talent.

1354
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: If you could get I would even say guys like

1355
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: Nathan Rourke or Will Greer who were here last year, right,

1356
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: guys of that caliber who I think would be among

1357
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: the best. I mean, there's a couple. You know, AJ

1358
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: mccarren's tearing it up, but a J mccareren's probably a

1359
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: backup quarterback.

1360
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: AJ mccaron still playing.

1361
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: He plays in that league because he plays. But here's

1362
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: the thing, is AJ mccaron, you know a worse he's

1363
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: probably above Will Greer or Nathan Rourke or that kind

1364
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: of guy, but he's playing in that leaguecause he wants

1365
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: to play. He doesn't want to be a backup. If

1366
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: you could get those level of players in that league,

1367
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: it would help you develop the other positions, and I

1368
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: think you'd start seeing more NFL talent come from there.

1369
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: Right now, it's mainly just linemen and kickers. Yeah, I

1370
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: think you'd start seeing more skill position guys if you

1371
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: got better quarterback play out of those leagues.

1372
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we just pitched an entire league that

1373
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: is going to make the NFL and a bunch of

1374
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: rich people a bunch of money. So we would like

1375
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: credit with that idea. And oh you do fantasy football willing,

1376
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 2: we are willing to be co commission nerves of this

1377
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 2: league as well if you want to employ us in

1378
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: that respect. But we we are open for business. So

1379
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: give us a call, Roger Goodell and uh and we'll

1380
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: tell you what. You know, we just made the whole

1381
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: pitch just now. You just listen to the show. We're

1382
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: not doing it again. You know, you can just do

1383
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: it again when we are going to tell you how

1384
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: this is gonna better your product. By when Joe Burrow

1385
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: gets knocked out because he heard his what was it again,

1386
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 2: risk risks risk rist when he heard his wrist, you know,

1387
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: maybe the backup quarterback is a little bit Browning was

1388
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: pretty good.

1389
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: I think it's more talking about like, you know, the

1390
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: Jaguar situation, or that's true.

1391
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: That's probably a bad example because of the risk elbow thing.

1392
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 5: Uh.

1393
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: Anyways, let's get back to o t as here for

1394
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: a second, and and then we we gotta we gotta

1395
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 2: do my my my Bill Simmons moment as well. But uh, Carlos,

1396
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: who's our lost talks past. Yeah, yeah, he emails in.

1397
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: I met him. Oh cool. He emails in and says,

1398
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: you know that I made some good points in regards

1399
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: to Drake May. Thank you, Thank you, Carlos. I appreciate that.

1400
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: But he said he was wondering how the offensive line

1401
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 2: impacts both of our opinions. Once the Pats come on,

1402
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: real football begins, the offensive line might get exposed. So

1403
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 2: we've talked about this in the past, like how much

1404
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 2: does the offensive line performance and maybe the struggles or

1405
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 2: the you know, offensive line getting exposed could impact how

1406
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: we feel about the Patriots playing Drake May Early. I

1407
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 2: am on an island with my opinion on this. But

1408
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: just to segue or connect this, I guess into OTA's

1409
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 2: as well. Yesterday was a little you know, we're getting

1410
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 2: I said last week it was already a little bit

1411
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 2: scary for me. You're already scared. We're getting a little

1412
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 2: bit more scary because City Show was a spectator at

1413
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: Patriots practice yesterday for an undisclosed reason. He was here,

1414
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: but he wasn't practicing in team drills col strangers in

1415
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 2: street clothes. He's here and watching and isn't going to

1416
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: play for six months or whatever it's going to be.

1417
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: I made that number up and you're talking about already

1418
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 2: obviously a big question market left tackle. Now you have

1419
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: into your guys getting in and out of the lineup

1420
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: this time of year and team drills. At the end

1421
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 2: of practice yesterday, true eleven on eleven, there were some

1422
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 2: very very non competitive reps, let's put it to you

1423
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 2: that way, because of pressure or whatever the case may be.

1424
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: I think there was a sequence where Drake May and

1425
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 2: Jacobi percent went back to back reps where the play

1426
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 2: was blown dead because there was pressure in their face immediately,

1427
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,919
Speaker 2: and then there was a stuffed run in there at

1428
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 2: some point as well. So the offensive line yesterday was

1429
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: chooks a corps for Tony o'maffi, David Andrews, Michael Jordan,

1430
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 2: and An Wenu. Like that's if that's the starting offensive

1431
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: line week one, they're in big freaking trouble. That can't

1432
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 2: be it. But even still, you know the mine or

1433
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: the big point I keep saying, bottom line, the big

1434
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 2: point here is that it still remains a big, big concern. Now.

1435
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: With that being said, I've said in the past, Carlos,

1436
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 2: I'll say it again. You're gonna tell me I'm wrong.

1437
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm not as concerned about it with Drake

1438
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: May as it would be with other quarterbacks, about it

1439
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 2: breaking him because of his mobility and his athleticism and

1440
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 2: his size. Now, does that mean that you can put

1441
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: him back there and have it be a jail break

1442
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 2: every single time? And all of a sudden, he's David

1443
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 2: Carr like, yeah, we don't want that, right, or Andrew Luck, right,

1444
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 2: we don't want that. But at the same time, I

1445
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 2: really do feel like I am I want to see

1446
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 2: a quarterback that elevates the things that are going on

1447
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: around him, and I'm hopeful that Drake May is one

1448
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 2: of those guys that would still be able to make

1449
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 2: plays and not let it truly break him mentally like

1450
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 2: it did to mac Jones or it did to David Carr,

1451
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 2: or physically like apparently it did to Andrew Luck apparently,

1452
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: and get him to that point because he's got these

1453
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: other abilities. Well, we'll see if that's the case. But

1454
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not.

1455
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: Just somebody literally just texted me and said, Evan's brave

1456
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:11,959
Speaker 1: for talking about Andrew Buck.

1457
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 2: I am not not putting Drake May in the game

1458
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 2: simply because I feel like the offensive line is not

1459
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 2: up to it. If he's ready to play, I'm playing.

1460
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I don't entirely disagree. But Elliot

1461
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: Wolf was on Kay Adams Show earlier this week. It

1462
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: was that it was a good question by Kay. What

1463
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: did he learn from the failed development of Mac Jones

1464
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: was the biggest takeaway, and Elliott he gave the right answer,

1465
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: which was, you need to go all out to support

1466
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: the quarterback.

1467
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: You do.

1468
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: I know people roll their eyes and why do we

1469
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: have to baby him? And and you know, grow up

1470
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: be a professional football player getting paid all this money.

1471
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: But I hate to break it to you, that's just

1472
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: the modern era. Your baby superstars. It's not just not

1473
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: not that Drake May is a superstar yet obviously don't

1474
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: want to get too far ahead, but like you draft

1475
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: him to be your franchise quarterback, you draft him hoping

1476
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: he's a superstar. See in every sport, basketball, they do

1477
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: it right, that's just what you do. You playkate these guys,

1478
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: and it's what good teams do, It's what smart teams do.

1479
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: It's what the Chiefs have done for Patrick Mahomes outside

1480
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: of the last year where they got rid of all

1481
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: his receivers. It's what the Ravens have done for Lamar

1482
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: Jackson's what the Bills have done for Josh Allen. Probably

1483
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: do a troubling amount. You play kate your quarterback. That's

1484
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: what you do and ideal and you hope to get

1485
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: You don't just do that blindly.

1486
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 2: You do.

1487
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: You do it hoping the return on investment is he's happy.

1488
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: You've built the situation which he can thrive and he

1489
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 1: elevates everybody. So ideally, at a point, Drake May is

1490
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that can elevate and can operate

1491
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: around having, you know, those kind of offensive line issues.

1492
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 2: Asking him to.

1493
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: Do that as a rookie is a lot because he's not.

1494
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: I'd like for him to be in a rhythm and

1495
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: be comfortable in an NFL setting before he has to

1496
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: start dodging pass rushers left and right. Fair enough, That's

1497
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: basically what I'm saying. So yes, eventually, lesser than on

1498
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: the offensive line, he should be able to overcome, even

1499
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: if it's as early as a year two. But it

1500
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't because they drafted Will Campbell or Kelvin Banks yeah,

1501
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I don't want to dealing with

1502
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: that right away. I just don't it's unnecessary.

1503
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: I just think that there's a lot though. If it's

1504
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 2: not perfect, yeah throw it like if it it's not

1505
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 2: gonna be perfect. That's my point is like if it's

1506
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 2: an absolute train wreck, that's a different week and was.

1507
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: Kind of what we talked about last week, Like they

1508
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: were what thirty second last year in pass perl by

1509
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 1: most major metrics. If it's that a messen, if it's

1510
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: twentieth right, if they're you know, fine, not great, but

1511
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: not a disaster, Yeah, put him out there because he

1512
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: should have to learn to deal with that. But if

1513
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: it's going to every play, I think mac Jones had

1514
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: the least amount of like time in the pocket before

1515
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: pressure last year. It was and it wasn't close. The

1516
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:00,799
Speaker 1: only quarterback was post was Zapy.

1517
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the biggest thing, is that there's

1518
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 2: a difference between pressure and then like immediate pressure. Yeah.

1519
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: And if it's immediate pressure where there's just like run

1520
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 2: throughs or guys, that's different. But I'm manageable pressure, then

1521
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: I want to see how he manages it.

1522
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: Sure, but I am worried that it's going to be

1523
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: the former. Yeah, I am worried that it's just gonna

1524
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: be free rushers more often than not. And I just

1525
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: don't want to expose him to that yet if I.

1526
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 2: Don't have to, it could be. I just think that

1527
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 2: there's an element again, and I know you kind of

1528
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 2: feel the same way, but I think there's an element

1529
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 2: that when you have the guy, like when you really

1530
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 2: have the guy, not not a placeholder, not a not

1531
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 2: a Jacob Brissett, not a mac Jones who was supposed

1532
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 2: to be the guy but just didn't get to that point,

1533
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: when you truly have the guy, like a CJ. Stroud, Like,

1534
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, those types of things that we're

1535
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: all concerned about, like the line play or the receivers

1536
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: or whatever, all of it starts to just look a

1537
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 2: little bit better than we thought. Right because of the quarterback,

1538
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 2: and Brady used to do it with a quick release, right.

1539
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: He used to protect the offensive line because he was

1540
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: he would he would stand in his you know, his

1541
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: little box in the pocket, and then he'd get the

1542
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 2: ball out in two and a half seconds every single time,

1543
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 2: or even less sometimes. And that is how it did it.

1544
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: Drake May is probably going to be more of that

1545
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: Josh Allen type where he's going to run out of

1546
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 2: the pocket and get out of the pocket, elude tacklers.

1547
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 2: Guys are going to bounce off of him. He's got

1548
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 2: a tough time bringing getting you know, getting tackled, getting

1549
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 2: brought to the ground. He's going to be mobile, you know,

1550
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: that type of ability to elude pressure. And I think

1551
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 2: there's a chance. I'm not saying it's one hundred percent,

1552
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: but I think there's a chance that between that and

1553
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 2: how they're going to run this system by moving the

1554
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage so often and changing the point of

1555
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 2: attack is a better way to put it, you know, bootlegs,

1556
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 2: you know, moving pockets, things like that, I think there's

1557
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 2: a chance that they that he will make it look

1558
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: better than it should.

1559
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: Again, if it's manageable, fine, I'm not convinced it'll be managed.

1560
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 2: That's fair, all right. Todd is in North Carolina. Let's Todd. God, look.

1561
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: The old you got to start over their phones breaking up?

1562
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, can you get me now? Okay, So again, you

1563
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 5: guys for having a real football show. I really appreciate that.

1564
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

1565
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 5: In the past there was the CFL had teams in

1566
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 5: the States, and I think some of those teams kind

1567
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 5: of even evolved into some NFL teams, like Baltimore had

1568
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 5: a team and a couple other places. And it really

1569
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 5: worked well because we watched the CFL, we see some

1570
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 5: young talent, and eventually they would move up to the NFL.

1571
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 5: And then it created more of a following from your

1572
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 5: from your neighbors to the north because they could see

1573
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 5: the development of the guy in the CFL and they

1574
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 5: come to the NFL and he could just people would

1575
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 5: continue to watch and follow them, and it was really

1576
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 5: great to see that kind of thing happen. And then

1577
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 5: it actually worked both ways because people from the States

1578
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 5: were coming up to Canada to watch football. Some already do,

1579
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 5: like in northern South Dakota. And I think that's a

1580
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 5: really great way for like a developmental league to do

1581
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 5: because I believe in the past the NFL has already

1582
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 5: put money into the CFL, and it was in the nineties,

1583
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 5: was it.

1584
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: So this was in the nineties, You're talking about the UFL,

1585
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: the CFL, the United States, So you can continue me

1586
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: I can fill in some planks on this on the CFL,

1587
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: United States expansion, right, and.

1588
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 5: I think it they could do that again. I think

1589
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 5: it would be great and they would build the game

1590
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 5: and build this because I think eventually there might be

1591
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 5: a team in Toronto, maybe Vancouver. So that's kind of

1592
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 5: my thoughts. And along those lines, another positive thing, what

1593
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 5: do you guys think about our two young receivers that

1594
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 5: you saw? Okay, I'll take the answer up there.

1595
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks Todd, and I love the shout of I'm

1596
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 2: glad you guys are actually doing a football show. Yeah,

1597
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 2: that was good.

1598
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 1: Well, and now we're going to get into is you

1599
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: cringe brief CFL the United States spansion?

1600
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:04,799
Speaker 2: Hey, football is football, listen. I understand that some people

1601
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 2: don't like when Patriots Unfiltered goes off the rails and

1602
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 2: we started talking about movies and things like that, but

1603
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: I actually, you know, have found when I first started

1604
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 2: Full Disclosure, as you can imagine it, I hated it.

1605
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: I was like, this is not good for me. I

1606
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: say way too much. I don't want to do this.

1607
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 2: But as i've you know, matured any nautical thoughts of

1608
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 2: no nautical thoughts, No, absolutely not. But I actually really

1609
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 2: do enjoy doing those shows. No, no, lie, I really do.

1610
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: But anyways, we mentioned the young receivers a little bit earlier. Yeah,

1611
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 2: I'm moving right on from the CFL stuff. Superal No, no,

1612
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 2: real quick.

1613
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what he's talking about there with the CFL

1614
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: team becoming the Ravens. So the CFL put four teams

1615
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: in the US in the mid nineties, Baltimore, Vegas, Sacramento,

1616
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: and Shreveport. Baltimore had outstanding attendants. They were one of

1617
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: the most attended teams in the league. They average thirty

1618
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: seven thousand a game. That is what inspired the NFL

1619
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: to put a team in Baltimore. But it's not the

1620
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: same team. They were the Baltimore Stallions and then the

1621
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: Vegas team. Their popularity led to the XFL, the original XFL,

1622
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: putting a team in Vegas. I don't think the NFL

1623
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: would partner with the CFL on the development track because

1624
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: the game is just a little too different. Twelve players

1625
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: per side, the field is much wider, I just three downs.

1626
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: That's a tougher scard goal post weird. Well, now the

1627
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: same size, just in the front of the end zone

1628
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: because the en zone is twenty yards deep or fifteen

1629
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: depending on the stadium.

1630
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 2: I in different stadiums have different So.

1631
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: Some stadiums that can't fit a twenty yard en zone,

1632
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: so it like rounds out the back, you don't you

1633
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't need all twenty yards of the end zone. Like no,

1634
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: you never really see them running twenty yard patterns from

1635
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: the goal line, yea, But you can do that in

1636
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: the CFL. There's other reasons too, just the history of

1637
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: the leagues that I I don't think they partner as

1638
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: a developmental track. The CFL is an entertainer. Now what

1639
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: they should do in Evan, we actually talked about this

1640
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: because the Bears this way back when we first started

1641
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 1: as the Bears did this once. I think more NFL

1642
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: teams should look to the CFL for coaches, specifically offensive coaches.

1643
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: Mark Tressman, right, And Mark Trussman wasn't a great NFL coach,

1644
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: but the concept is, and you're actually the one who

1645
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,440
Speaker 1: told this to me, because it's a three down league,

1646
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: you have to be more aggressive on offense because you

1647
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: still punt on third. So in a league where it's

1648
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: more wide open, teams are passing more aggressively. Maybe you

1649
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: don't hire a CFL offense coordinators your head coach outright,

1650
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: but which is what the Bears did. But bringing in

1651
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: maybe a coach from that league to be on the

1652
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: offensive staff to consult on your passing game. I'm surprised

1653
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: more teams don't do that because some of the concepts

1654
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about, these passing concepts going from

1655
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: college to the NFL, A lot of them pop up

1656
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 1: in the CFL before they pop up in the NFL

1657
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: because you have to be able to throw the ball

1658
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 1: down the field in the Canadian league to be able

1659
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: to move it. And that's something I wonder if the

1660
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: NFL team should be tapping into a little bit more.

1661
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so here's your CFL minute. I guess said. We

1662
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: talked about the young receivers earlier in the show, so

1663
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to spend too much more time on that.

1664
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 2: We didn't really talk about Jayleen Polk. Well, Jalen Polk.

1665
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 2: I you know, he hasn't done anything super notable. Yeah,

1666
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 2: I'm also not that concerned yet, like I mentioned earlier,

1667
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 2: because I think that he's more of a game player

1668
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: and more of a when once the pads come on

1669
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: type of guy. I didn't expect him. He's not He's

1670
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 2: not like this elite athlete. You know, he's not the

1671
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 2: physical specimen by any means, So I didn't really expect

1672
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: him to be a huge spring practice type of guy.

1673
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 2: And just going off of you know, past history, guys

1674
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 2: like Jacobi Myers, guys like Kenrick Board. Remember Jacoby Myers

1675
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 2: his rookie year. That was Maurice Harris. That was our guy. Yeah,

1676
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: Maurice Harris was like the star of Jacoby Myers's rookie

1677
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:53,799
Speaker 2: spring ota.

1678
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: We didn't know it was our first time doing it.

1679
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: We thought they had the next Randy Mars.

1680
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then as soon as the pads came on,

1681
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 2: everybody started turning their attention to j Kobe Myers, right,

1682
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 2: and and that's when it changed. So I'm expecting Jalen

1683
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 2: Bulk to make that jump in August, not this time

1684
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: of year. That's how I feel about that. I don't

1685
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: know if you feel the same way.

1686
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely more of a more physical player, I would say,

1687
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: just like command wise, because there's a lot of talk

1688
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: about how he can be a guy that like leads

1689
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: a room, right, leads a wide receiver room, and as

1690
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: a culture builder.

1691
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: Guy and all that.

1692
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: You see that, Yeah, you see guys gravitate towards him

1693
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 1: even as a rookie, which I think is a good sign.

1694
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 2: All right, a couple more emails. James is in Liverpool

1695
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 2: in the UK, and he said that he's, like a

1696
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 2: lot of Patriots fans, is delighted that he can finally

1697
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 2: see the Patriots at Wembley Stadium in London after a

1698
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 2: twelve year gap. That's awesome. It'll be his very first

1699
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 2: NFL game, so very cool. I'll be over there, you know,

1700
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 2: barring anything crazy happening to me, you know, hit by

1701
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 2: truck or something. So I'll be over there and you can.

1702
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm I'm taking suggestions. You know, never been to London,

1703
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 2: never been to the UK. We're probably not gonna be

1704
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: there for a ton of time. But I want to know,

1705
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 2: you know, you know, when people come to Boston for

1706
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 2: the first time, like you don't want them to get

1707
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 2: stuck doing like the touristy stuff that's boring, right, like

1708
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 2: the Freedom trailer or like something like that. Like you

1709
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 2: want to give them real recks. So give me real

1710
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 2: res of what we should do with our free time

1711
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 2: in London. But his question, James's question is do you

1712
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: think that by week seven there's a chance that Drake

1713
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 2: May will be the starting quarterback. Obviously, he wants to

1714
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 2: see Drake May playing in London, and he said that,

1715
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 2: you know, adding to it that there could be a

1716
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 2: chance that it could be Drake May versus mac Jones

1717
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 2: if something happens to Trevor Lawrence. But the main question

1718
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 2: here is do we think that Drake May could be

1719
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 2: starting by the London game? For all the brit fans

1720
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 2: out there that are going to the game.

1721
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a chance. I don't think it'll be

1722
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: his first game. I don't cause that week's there's gonna

1723
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: be a lot. That week, there's gonna be a lot.

1724
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're gonna want to, you know,

1725
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: deal with him making his first start among all that.

1726
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 1: But we talked about a couple of weeks ago. Week

1727
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: five weeks six are both kind of logical landing spots.

1728
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: So I think there's a chance. I'd say right around fifty,

1729
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: but less than fifty, if that makes sense, But I

1730
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't roll it out. I don't think it will be

1731
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: his first game, though I think there's a chance too.

1732
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 1: I think there's a strong chance.

1733
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 2: That Jacoby Brissett starts, maybe the first month of this season,

1734
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 2: just to kind of not throw him right into the fire.

1735
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: Let him see how game planning works in the NFL,

1736
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:22,759
Speaker 1: and all yeah.

1737
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: And then we go from there. All right, this is

1738
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 2: a question. I'm sorry if I messed this name up

1739
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 2: from Brulio, I'm gonna go with that great name from

1740
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 2: Mexico City. I probably didn't. I apologize anyways. He says

1741
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 2: that he's a little concerned is about the Patriots offensive system.

1742
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 2: He's a little concerned about their new scheme. The main

1743
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: focus is the running game, like Cleveland in the forty

1744
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: nine ers when it matters, they are behind Layton games

1745
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 2: when it matters, or if they're behind Layton games, the

1746
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 2: passing off as isn't as effective as they always have,

1747
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 2: so many problems to come back. The record of Kyle

1748
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: Shanahan come from behind the fourth quarter, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1749
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: Oh, don't don't, don't you YadA, Kyle Hand's fourth quarter,

1750
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan's forth You thought you were just gonna enough.

1751
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 2: You thought that was gonna happen. That Jimmy Garoppolo thought

1752
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 2: overthrew Emmanuel Sanders by ten yards. Who I'm sorry to

1753
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 2: throw the ball. Who asked the ball.

1754
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that he couldn't hit the You thought you

1755
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: thought you were just gonna say that and let it go.

1756
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: No shot, no shot whatsoever. Took enough heat for the

1757
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 2: Niners losing the Super Bowl again. I'm not doing not

1758
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 2: doing this again. Yeah, so fair question about the offensive system.

1759
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 2: I think that all of these systems, whether it's the

1760
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers, whether it's the Browns, whether it's you know,

1761
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 2: the RAMS, has kind of gone away from it a

1762
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 2: little bit in a lot of respects. But the RAMS,

1763
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 2: with I think Jared Goff was probably the more app

1764
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 2: comparison than the current RAMS. Don't read the chat, don't

1765
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 2: smile over there. We're moving on. The whole idea is

1766
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 2: really to create explosive plays through play action, pass like that.

1767
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: It's really is a passing offense. You just have in

1768
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: order to make that happen, you have to marry it

1769
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 2: to a run game. So the run game has to

1770
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 2: exist in order for you to be able to do it.

1771
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't necessarily say that the main goal of

1772
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 2: those systems is to run the football. I just think

1773
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 2: that they set up misdirection, they set up play action,

1774
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 2: they move the defense out of passing lanes with all

1775
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 2: those fakes and motions and things like that, and blocking

1776
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 2: schemes that simulate the run by running the ball and

1777
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 2: having some semblance of an established run game in order

1778
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 2: to incorporate the play action passes. It's a fair point,

1779
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,560
Speaker 2: and it's a fair point to Kyle right, it's a

1780
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: fair point for everybody that when they get into these

1781
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 2: true drop back situations where it's like fourth quarter clutch.

1782
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 2: You know, we talk so much about the Celtics and

1783
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 2: clutch minutes, like those clutch minutes in the NFL, that

1784
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: those moments have been fleeting for these types of teams

1785
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 2: because they haven't necessarily had the traditional drop back pass

1786
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 2: game to just go up and down the field against

1787
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 2: the Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. If you don't

1788
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 2: have all the Kyle Shanahan bells and whistles and there's

1789
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 2: no misdirection, there's no play fakes, there's no pre snap motion,

1790
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,480
Speaker 2: and it's just eleven on eleven football, they haven't necessarily

1791
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 2: been able to come through in those moments. So I

1792
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: hear those concerns, and you know where I'm going with this,

1793
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 2: because I'm going to back Kyle the way I would

1794
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: push back on it or say that I'm not, as

1795
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: you know, not as big of a concern in some

1796
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 2: respects is that ultimately those moments come down to quarterback play.

1797
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: And I think the hope is is that Drake may

1798
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 2: is a better quarterback than Jimmy Garoppolo was should be

1799
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 2: or a better quarterback and maybe this is a little

1800
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 2: bit more lofty, but a better quarterback than brock perty is.

1801
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's lofty an overall pick, you should be.

1802
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 2: Reason why I say that is is that the Rams

1803
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,520
Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl because they upgraded to Matthew Stafford,

1804
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 2: who was able to rise to those occasions and lead

1805
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 2: those offense in those situations because he's better, right than

1806
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 2: Jared got.

1807
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: The big problem I have with that system and with

1808
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: Shanahan is the hubrison believing the quarterbacks irrelevant and the

1809
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: systems above all. But if you have a quarterback that

1810
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: can actually make plays, it is a good system. So

1811
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: that that, to me is the difference.

1812
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think that's That's sort of what I'm

1813
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: getting at, is like, if you have the quarterback that

1814
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 2: can elevate this type of offense, and again I wouldn't

1815
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 2: I wouldn't get caught up in it being like a

1816
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 2: run first offense. Yeah, I think that there's definitely they're

1817
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,560
Speaker 2: going to want to run the ball. That's an identity

1818
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 2: thing that they're going to want to establish. But I

1819
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 2: think ultimately the running of the football is to set

1820
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 2: up play action pass, which is to create explosive in

1821
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 2: chunk yards through play action pass. So I think that

1822
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 2: there's still a ton of emphasis on the pass game.

1823
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 2: But I hear the concerns of if they're going to

1824
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 2: run the ball and try to milk clock and try

1825
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 2: to shorten games, and like, are they gonna be that

1826
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna win seventeen to fourteen, kind of

1827
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: like what Bill's been trying to do here for the

1828
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 2: last couple of years, Bill Belichick. I understand why people

1829
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 2: are gonna look at that and say, well, we just

1830
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 2: tried that and it's not gonna work. So it's a

1831
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 2: little different. It's a little different, but I understand the concerns.

1832
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 2: All Right, one last phone call, Jason is in Florida.

1833
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 2: What's up? Jason, Jay said, Hey, what's going on?

1834
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 3: It's good man. I just want to come in here

1835
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:39,839
Speaker 3: and say, uh st Drake May and bring back Bulletchick

1836
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 3: and fuck mag Jones.

1837
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right with the language there, geez Okay, Uh,

1838
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna even respond to that. I don't know

1839
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 2: that ship is sailed. Sorry, multiple all right? So can

1840
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: I can I do? Can I do my my hoops talk?

1841
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 3: Now?

1842
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 2: Finally I do my because we got yelled at last

1843
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 2: time that we went we went too long and uh

1844
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 2: we pushed up against unfiltered too much. So here's here's

1845
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: what I wanted to do. And this relates to the Patriots.

1846
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 2: It's not just Celtics talk. That's why I wanted to

1847
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 2: do it like this, all right. So I was thinking

1848
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 2: about this the other day and I was like, oh,

1849
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 2: this would be fun to talk about with Alex. The

1850
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 2: best Boston sports teams of our lifetime, right, just the

1851
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 2: best Boston sports teams of our lifetime and full disclosure,

1852
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 2: born in nineteen ninety two, all right, not that old,

1853
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 2: but in the heyday of Boston sports. Right, So there's

1854
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 2: a lot of good teams. The other thing, that other

1855
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 2: caveat are you know set up here? I didn't include

1856
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 2: like the one Patriots of the four Red Sox, like

1857
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 2: all time memories, right, historic for the city. But in

1858
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 2: the in the pantheon of their respects, we're talking about

1859
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 2: the dominant, most dominant, best teams, right, We're not talking

1860
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 2: about the teams that you know are the most you

1861
01:27:53,200 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 2: know what's like nostalgic, right or whatever. So most dominant teams.

1862
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 2: And when I started to break it down, I really

1863
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: feel like this is more like a Mott Rushmore thing

1864
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 2: than a top five, because I didn't really feel great

1865
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 2: about the fifth team, right. I didn't like there was

1866
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 2: some in the running, but I didn't really feel great

1867
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 2: about the fifth team. So I'll connect at the end.

1868
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 2: I'll give you my four teams first, and then we'll

1869
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 2: talk about the fifteen. All right, And this isn't necessarily

1870
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 2: an order, but I kind of put it in an order.

1871
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 2: But the first team on my list is the two

1872
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 2: thousand and seven Patriots. Like I don't care that they

1873
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 2: didn't finish the deal. The two thousand and seven Patriots

1874
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 2: were the greatest at their peak when they were on

1875
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 2: that run sixteen to zero in the regular season, as

1876
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,759
Speaker 2: we know, three points away from nineteen to h five

1877
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 2: all pros on the team, MVP of the league, fifty

1878
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 2: touchdown passes, NFL record at the time thirty seven points

1879
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 2: back it was hard to throw the ball to. Yeah,

1880
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: thirty seven points per game, which was an NFL record

1881
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 2: at the time. Randy Moss's record still holds twenty three

1882
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 2: touchdown catches in the year when they were at their peak.

1883
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 2: I will never ever see a more dominant team than

1884
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:58,839
Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven Patriots.

1885
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: That team was just and I'll say this for all

1886
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 1: we talked about the Dynasty, the episode on the sevent

1887
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 1: team where they it.

1888
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 2: Was just a few Patriots. They just hated everybody. They

1889
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 2: didn't care.

1890
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: I remember that year every game watching them, wanted them

1891
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 1: to score fifty, wanting them to run the score up,

1892
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 1: and they did. They know, I score fifty, but they'd

1893
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: run this. The one I remember they were in Buffalo.

1894
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: It was like night game in November. They're up like

1895
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: twenty some thirty something points. They had a fourth and

1896
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 1: one from inside their own territory and they went for

1897
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: it on a full back dive.

1898
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:34,560
Speaker 2: And people were pissed. People were pay Oh, it's bad sportsmanship.

1899
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the year we got the quote from

1900
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Bill about like, it's not my job to stop our offense. Yeah, right,

1901
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: awesome stuff. Just a wagon of a team.

1902
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely one of the greatest football teams of all time,

1903
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 2: I think personally, and I know I'm biased, but I

1904
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: think personally that is the greatest NFL.

1905
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I still consider that the gres en fil team world.

1906
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they got to be on the Matt rushmore.

1907
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: They're up there. The last thing about the seven Patriots

1908
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 2: I think that my favorite part of watching that team

1909
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 2: was when you would see Brady take that big crow

1910
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 2: hop and like start to load up and you you

1911
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 2: couldn't see because you were watching it on TV, so

1912
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 2: you didn't see what was going on down the field,

1913
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 2: but you knew eighty one was open or not or

1914
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 2: not the ball and then the over three defenders in

1915
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,600
Speaker 2: Miami and they would go all the ball would just

1916
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 2: launch and the camera would pan and all of a

1917
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 2: sudden you'd see Randy going like this.

1918
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: In the end, I mean, I love in the regular

1919
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: season finale, right they Brady and Moss both need the

1920
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: touchdown for the record. And then at the same time,

1921
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,759
Speaker 1: at that point the game was clear like a touchdown

1922
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 1: was going to win them the game. So the three

1923
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: things we were tracking all year was Brady's touchdown record, Moss's

1924
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 1: touchdown record in the perfect regular season, they load up

1925
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: for what will break all these records, and they miss it,

1926
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 1: and they miss it, and Moss comes back to the

1927
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: huddle says, run again. They literally run the same play

1928
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 1: the next play and it works. They were just inevitable.

1929
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 2: Until the end. Yeah, two thousand and seven Patriots got

1930
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,680
Speaker 2: to be on the Matt Rushmore all right. Number two.

1931
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 2: The twenty eighteen Boston Red Sox an absolute wagon. One

1932
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 2: eight and fifty four in the regular season, eleven and

1933
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 2: three in the playoffs. I remember them being dominant. Looking

1934
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 2: up their playoff record, uh three to one win over

1935
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 2: the Yankees and round one for to one over the

1936
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 2: Astros and the Alcs for one over the Dodgers in

1937
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 2: the World Series. They never tested, they were knowing it

1938
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 2: came any where close to them. Mookie bets MVP of that.

1939
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: They are the most dominant championship team. I think Boston

1940
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: scene in this center.

1941
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 2: I would agree with that one hundred and eight wins

1942
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 2: is a Red Sox franchise record, and that is not

1943
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 2: a franchise that has bad records, right like that is

1944
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 2: a legitimate franchise record. I think that the eight eighteen.

1945
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:53,560
Speaker 2: Excuse me, Red Sox were a wag. It that was dominant,

1946
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 2: is unstoppable. They start to finish the best team.

1947
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen the Mike Francesca

1948
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 1: clipp or, sobody calls in and asks him if he

1949
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: thinks the team will ever go one, one sixty two

1950
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: and oh yeah, but it's kind of it's kind of

1951
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: like that thing. Like they felt a little like the

1952
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: O seven Patriots felt because they were breaking records.

1953
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 2: Left and right. Yeah, it was just and they were

1954
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 2: from day one in April the best team. It was.

1955
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 1: It was just a good time the whole year. That's

1956
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 1: what it was.

1957
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 2: It was. There was really very little stress with that team. Yeah,

1958
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 2: very little stress, is right. The only time that I

1959
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 2: felt like a teeny weeny bit of stress was was it?

1960
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 2: Scott Scott pieris right, Steve Piers, Steve Pierce. Yeah, that

1961
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 2: one I just combined Scott Peters and Steve Piers. Steve

1962
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 2: Pierce hits the home run right where they're behind against

1963
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 2: the Dodgers. Was that Game four? Game five? And I

1964
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 2: think it was Game four?

1965
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: It was Game four because because the only game they

1966
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:44,839
Speaker 1: lost in the World Series that year.

1967
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 2: Was the eighteen game.

1968
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember coming away from that and thinking like, man,

1969
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: what a momentum win for the Dodgers. And then they

1970
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: get out they have a four run inning, they get

1971
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 1: out to that big lead in Game four, and it's like,

1972
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: oh man, they won the extra inning game.

1973
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 2: Now they're doing this and then yes, Steve Pierce brings

1974
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 2: it back. So if you're going I agree with you.

1975
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 2: If you're going by teams that actually finished the deal

1976
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 2: and won the title, the twenty eighteen Boston Red Soxer

1977
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 2: is probably number one on the list. Number three the

1978
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight Boston Celtics. Yeah, sixty six and

1979
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 2: sixteen in the regular season. That was two wins shy

1980
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 2: of the franchise record set by the seventy two to

1981
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 2: seventy three team, only one win off the eighty six Celtics,

1982
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 2: which is by some accounts maybe the best basketball team

1983
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 2: of all time, you know, up there with like the

1984
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 2: ninety six Bowls and the Warriors, you know, with KD

1985
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 2: and those teams as well. And the other thing about

1986
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 2: the eight Celtics, another team that was great from start

1987
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 2: to finish, like the best team in the NBA from

1988
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 2: start to finish. I also think it needs to be

1989
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 2: said that they beat prime Lebron and Prime Kobe in

1990
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 2: the same playoff run.

1991
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: They also they were excellent at home. They were excellent,

1992
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: excellent at home.

1993
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 2: So they went seven games against the Cavs and Lebron

1994
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 2: Paul Pierce out duels Lebron James in a game seven

1995
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 2: to go to the next round. Awesome. They beat the

1996
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 2: Pistons like towards the end of that Pistons around.

1997
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: That team, That Pistons team was still very good.

1998
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rick Hamilton, Chauncey billups that those teams like it

1999
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 2: was it was towards the end of their run, but

2000
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:12,599
Speaker 2: they were.

2001
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 1: They won sixty games that year. They're still very good.

2002
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 2: They were a good team, and they beat them in

2003
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference finals, and then they beat Kobe and

2004
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 2: the Lakers in the.

2005
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 1: Finals after going to seven games with Al Horford's Hawks

2006
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 1: in the first round.

2007
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, couldn't win on the road, but they in the

2008
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 2: in the in the finals. I probably one of my

2009
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:35,679
Speaker 2: favorite games I've ever attended was obviously Game six against

2010
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 2: the Lakers here in Boston that they won the championship.

2011
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 2: And they didn't just win that game, they boom out

2012
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 2: by like thirty and it was not close. It was

2013
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 2: Geno time. It was a party of the entire second.

2014
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: They were like they put all the starters in late

2015
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 1: right and then pulled them out one by one so

2016
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 1: they could all get the invasion.

2017
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 2: They were a dominant force. I will never forget them

2018
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 2: trading for KG and Ray Allen in the offseason. I

2019
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 2: was a cam at sleep Away Camp and I remember

2020
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 2: the reaction to all the Boston kids at the time,

2021
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 2: and it felt like they were the best team in

2022
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 2: the league. They were the best team in the league.

2023
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 2: Just a little bit of more of that history there.

2024
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 2: They also came back in two thousand and nine and

2025
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 2: were like twenty and one to start the two thousand

2026
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 2: and nine season. Yeah, and then of course Kge gets

2027
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,919
Speaker 2: her blows out, his knee, doesn't come back. In the playoffs,

2028
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 2: they lose to Orlando, and then they get back to

2029
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: the finals in twenty ten and go seven games against

2030
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 2: the Lakers. Probably right, So they were that team was

2031
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 2: was an absolute dominant team. The two thousand and eight

2032
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 2: Boston Celtics' is number three and number four on the list.

2033
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 2: Here is the two thousand and four New England Patriots.

2034
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 2: The two thousand and four New England Patriots fourteen to two,

2035
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 2: right dominant team there, that was right in the meat

2036
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 2: of the twenty one game win streak, right that span

2037
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 2: from twenty three to two thousand and three to two

2038
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 2: thousand and four. But two thousand and four started the

2039
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 2: year on a great win streak. To continue the twenty

2040
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: one game win streak, I think what separates the two

2041
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 2: thousand and four Patriots from maybe the two thousand and

2042
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 2: three team or so the other team adding Corey Dillon

2043
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 2: to that team. Yeah, and he sets a franchise record

2044
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 2: sixteen hundred rushing yards in that season. Rodney Harrison obviously,

2045
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 2: I think one of the best defensive players in the league.

2046
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 2: In two thousand and four in the playoffs, they kicked

2047
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 2: Peyton mannings Ass. I'm sorry, Marien, I'm just gonna come

2048
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 2: out and say it. They kicked Peyton mannings Ass in

2049
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 2: the divisional round here twenty to three, right, Ty Law

2050
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 2: all those games. Fantastic game for them here. Then they

2051
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 2: go to Pittsburgh. They have to go to Pittsburgh despite

2052
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 2: being fourteen and two, because Pittsburgh was fifteen to one,

2053
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 2: and they beat the Steelers in the AFC Championship Game

2054
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 2: forty one to twenty seven. I will never forget Dion

2055
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 2: Branch streaking through the defense on that long touchdown pass

2056
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 2: from Tom Brady. Brady came into that game in the

2057
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 2: AFC Championship game under the weather. That's like kind of

2058
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 2: his flu game, right is Jordan flu game? Yeah? And

2059
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 2: they beat a very very good Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh

2060
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 2: to go to the Super Bowl, and then they really

2061
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 2: dominated the Eagles and the Super Bowl. I know the

2062
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 2: score was like relatively close, and the Eagles might have

2063
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 2: had a lead at some point, but in all intents

2064
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 2: and purposes, the Patriots controlled that game and won that

2065
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 2: game pretty handily against Philly. So that was my four teams.

2066
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 2: Is there any teams before I get to how this

2067
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 2: connects to anything relevant to today that I left off?

2068
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen Patriots, So they were they're in the running.

2069
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:24,600
Speaker 2: I feel like the twenty I said there is a

2070
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 2: fifth team right now. When I was trying to find

2071
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 2: a make it a top five, the twenty fourteen Patriots

2072
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 2: were definitely at the top of the list of teams

2073
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:36,880
Speaker 2: that I would put in the conversation. The Red Sox

2074
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 2: and was it seven.

2075
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 1: So those were the two others I would say were

2076
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen Patriots and and the seven Red Sox

2077
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 1: were what because like O four, it was a good team,

2078
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 1: but they you know, there was a bit of a

2079
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: power friendship thing going on there. Yeah, they had Josh

2080
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: Beckett for for seven. Dice Gay was there in O seven.

2081
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 1: They also was it a Pedroia Dustin Petroya comes up

2082
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: and yeah, starts really really making noise, and the great

2083
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:13,719
Speaker 1: William Opana. Of course, no the seven. There's two different

2084
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 1: kinds of Red Sox World Series teams. There's seven and eighteen,

2085
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,599
Speaker 1: which are teams that were just dominant, and then there's

2086
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:21,719
Speaker 1: the four and thirteen teams that won on the power

2087
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 1: of friendship and just being super clutch.

2088
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 2: I like that, the power of friendship. Yeah, so those

2089
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 2: two teams are in it. I also, I feel bad

2090
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 2: leaving the Bruins off, but they well it could. They

2091
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 2: had their chance. Last year. The twenty eleven Bruins were

2092
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 2: the three seed in the Eastern Conference. They got the

2093
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 2: hot goalie and Tim Thomas and they went on a run.

2094
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,839
Speaker 1: I will say this among the most dominant playoff runs,

2095
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 1: and I it's hard to do the Patriots with this,

2096
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 1: because you don't really have playoff runs in football. You

2097
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: play I mean, the Patriots only played three games when

2098
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 1: they would maybe you play four. But in terms of

2099
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 1: the most dominant playoff runs, and I know that some

2100
01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: of those series went seven games, but that Bruin's playoff

2101
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:02,839
Speaker 1: run in twenty eleven was special.

2102
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 2: It was a special run. But they went seven games

2103
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 2: three times they did, so I guess I believe there's

2104
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 2: still the first hockey team to win three games seven

2105
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 2: is on the road in a playoff. To put.

2106
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 1: Brady and the Patriots aside, because it's just a different

2107
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: kind of playoff when you only play one game. Tim

2108
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: Thomas in twenty eleven is probably the single greatest playoff performance. Yeah,

2109
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: Boston has seen this century. Or teases up there.

2110
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 2: A four, yeah, or Teas in thirteen too, or teas

2111
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 2: in four and thirteen is up there. Yeah, I don't

2112
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 2: know when the Celtics won and O eight. It was

2113
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 2: kind of a team effort, Like I don't know that

2114
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 2: there's one guy that stands out, Yeah, and again like

2115
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,719
Speaker 2: obviously summer Brady's runs. But it's just it's so inherently

2116
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 2: different in football. I don't want to minimize him, but

2117
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,680
Speaker 2: Tim thomasin that's the gold standard for me when we

2118
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 2: talk about a guy here. Here's why I don't do

2119
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 2: or teas in O four because there are other guys

2120
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 2: like Many was the MVP of the World Series, right,

2121
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 2: And I don't know that a players outside of football

2122
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 2: because it's different. I can't hammer that enough.

2123
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's been a Boston athlete in

2124
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 1: my lifetime that has put the team on his back

2125
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:18,680
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, throughout the playoffs, every round, the way

2126
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: Tim Thomas did in twenty lane.

2127
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of the sport though. Yeah, right,

2128
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,640
Speaker 2: that's an element of the sport as well. So that

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Speaker 2: those are my four teams and the point that I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to make trying to connect this year, I think

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Speaker 2: if the twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four Boston Celtics

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Speaker 2: win the title, they're the fifth team.

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Speaker 1: They're they're in that s tier with I don't know

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Speaker 1: what we want to do with the seven Patriots because

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Speaker 1: they're kind of their own thing, but with the twenty

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Speaker 1: eighteen Red Sox, with the eight Celtics, I personally would

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Speaker 1: put the twenty fourteen Patriots in there. I think they're

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Speaker 1: an S tier. I think the Celtics would this Celtics

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Speaker 1: would be of that level of just wagging Dominant's put

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Speaker 1: this way, it never felt during this year like it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a championship season. Yeah, like twenty eighteen Patriots are

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Speaker 1: great example, they won the Super Bowl, but we really

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Speaker 1: did like there were large stretches of that season where

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Speaker 1: they did not seem like a super Bowl team. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they ultimately figured it out, but like, I know, you

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Speaker 1: get it me for kind of being critical of the Celtics,

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Speaker 1: but at no point during this season did it ever

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Speaker 1: feel like, maybe this isn't a championship year. This is

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Speaker 1: always felt like a championship team. That's a rare, rare feeling.

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Speaker 1: And again it goes to the eighteen Red Sox. The

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Speaker 1: eight Celtics and the Patriots are different because they didn't

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Speaker 1: won and so long and we didn't know the standing blay.

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Speaker 2: You got to a point.

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Speaker 1: Where maybe it's the sixteen Patriots where it's just like

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Speaker 1: the or four I guess the four Patriot of the team.

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Speaker 1: They were like, yeahh four, you knew they added Corey Dillon,

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Speaker 1: they loaded up past it and oh seven felt like

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Speaker 1: that until they didn't win the title.

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Speaker 2: Have a few more OTAs next week, so we'll be

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Speaker 2: back on Thursday. We'll talk some more Patriots OTAs and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get into Mini Caamp. We're gonna get into

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Speaker 2: Brady Night before we go on our little summer break,

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Speaker 2: so we'll still do shows during the summer break. By

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying the Patriots and the players will go

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Speaker 2: on a summer break a lot more, a lot more

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Speaker 2: randomness from us, a lot more like the last ten minutes, right,

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Speaker 2: So there'll be a ton more to talk about again

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Speaker 2: next week after OTAs as well, and we will have

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Speaker 2: Patriots Unfiltered here for you at the top of the

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Speaker 2: hour as well. But until then, signing off for Alex

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Speaker 2: barth'm evan Lazar. Thanks for listening. Guys, We'll see you

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