WEBVTT - Pass Rush Film Room with Emmanuel Ogbah 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:15.800 Bow Down, Miami Wanted Run? What is up, Dolph Fans 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.119 and Welcome to the Drive Time Podcast, part of the 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:24.919 Miami Dolphins official podcast network, covering your team, your Miami Dolphins. 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.760 How's it going? Everybody? It is Friday. I am your host, 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.080 Travis Wingfield, And on today's show, we've got a great 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:35.520 guest for you guys, a great interview with Dolphins defensive 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.320 and Emmanuel Agma. We talked about a lot of stuff 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.199 on this podcast, breaking down his pass rush moves, the 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:45.040 pass rush scheme, and gap integrity, the Cross Chop movie 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.640 he's become famous for in the NFL, plenty of good 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.080 inside football stuff. Plus we'll talk to him about one 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.159 of his favorite sports in high school view might not 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.440 have known about. Plenty more here on this edition of 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.720 the Drivetime Podcast. Plus, we're gonna get to Daniel Jeremiah's 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.040 new updated Top fifty and talk about what that means 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.560 for this year's draft. All of that and more on 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:12.679 this Friday, February edition of the Drive Time Podcast. We 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.280 are going to get into my interview with Dolphins defensive 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.200 and Emmanuel Ogba real quick here on this edition of 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.679 Drive Time. But first I want to update you on 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.520 the latest Daniel Jeremiah Top fifty. He does this every year, 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.959 the best in the business. NFL Network. You guys know 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.800 who he is. He anchors the coverage of the draft 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.959 all three days for the NFL Network. He's got his 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.360 new top fifty list, a former scout in the league, 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.040 plenty of good content the Move the Sticks podcast. I 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.160 cannot recommend his content enough when it comes to the 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.720 draft and the NFL. And I want to talk about 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.880 this because, as we do on this podcast, we take 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.760 NFL information and relay it back into a Dolphins put 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:52.680 it through a Dolphins filter. What does it mean to 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:54.400 the Miami Dolphins. And what I want to do with 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.920 this one is take a look at the positional makeup 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.720 of his top fifty. And you look at eight of 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.200 his top ten players are on the offensive side of 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.680 the football. And we talked about this on the offseason 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.680 preview editions here of the Draft Time podcast about the 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.280 makeup of these classes. How the last two years, the 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.960 receiver and offensive line classes have just been absolutely stout. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:17.919 And the reason I want to bring this up is 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.800 because I think it kind of sends the balance back 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.560 in the offenses favor in terms of who comes off 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.440 the board early in draft classes, if that was going 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:28.360 to be how it went on draft, and of course 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.359 it's going to be a complete crapshoot as it is 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.520 every single year we get quote unquote surprises and I'm 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.320 using finger quotes here, but they're never actually surprises, because 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.400 the draft, by its very nature is a surprise every 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.160 time we do it. But looking back over recent classes, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.640 last year, for instance, five of the top ten players 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.280 chosen were on the offensive side of the football, and 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.760 just for good measure, his eleventh and twelve players this 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.080 year also our quarterbacks, so also offensive players, and we 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:56.959 know how the draft goes in that way. To write, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.520 quarterbacks always wind up, you know, jumping a little bit 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.840 over where they are on these types of rankings, as 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.240 the demand for quarterbacks in this league always remains high. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.240 But you go back to nineteen as well, and only 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.920 three of the top ten picks our offensive players, quarterback 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.920 Kyler Murray, quarterback Daniel Jones, and tight end T. J. Hawkinson. 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.320 And that's a good parallel to this year's draft class 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.600 because once again, one of the top players in this 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.200 draft and number three overall on Daniel Jeremiah's big board 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.240 behind just Trevor Lawrence, the quarterback from from Clemson, and 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.320 behind only wide receiver Jamaar Chase out of l s U. 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.919 He has tight end Kyle Pitts. So there were three 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.920 players in this year's top ten in nineteen. You go 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.200 back toeen and you've got six players in the top 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.480 ten draft picks that were on the offensive side of 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.600 the football. So you look at eight players on the 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.200 offense in DJ's top ten, and really ten of the 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.200 top twelve. That's a one of the bigger disparities we've 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.440 had in terms of offensive over defensive firepower at the 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.520 top end of the draft. If it were to play 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.280 out that way, of course, is just a you know, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.920 February Top fifty list from one of the best scout 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.600 in the game. But I find it interesting in the 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.680 way it balances out the NFL because we had so 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.320 many runs and swings on defense. We had so many 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.560 runs where there was elite crops of pass rushers coming 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.120 through every year, and now we kind of get that 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.040 pendulum swing back the other way, where offensive linemen are 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.960 just coming in and droves receivers are littered all over 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.160 the league, guys that can make plays from all three 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.040 positions out there at the receiver spots. So it makes 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.720 for a fascinating draft class. And going into a year 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.960 where the Dolphins really really excelled on defense last year 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.800 and all the additions made on that side of the ball, 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.600 well you've got some really good offensive options and defensive 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.200 options as well. But as Dan Jeremiah notes, ten of 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.240 his top twelve players on his Top fifty board all 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.760 on the offensive side of the football. All right, let's 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.960 go ahead and talk about a player on the defensive 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.479 side of the football. Emmanuel Ogba, Dolphins defensive end nine 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.920 sacks last year, had a whole bunch of pressures, hits 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.440 and hurries. And we had the takeaway breakdown piece that 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.640 I had published on Miami Dolphins dot com about a 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.719 month ago where I took a look at every single 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.880 takeaway and in addition to three four fumbles the Dolphins 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.359 were able to scoop up and recover. He also was 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.840 just a massive part of so many of the interceptions, 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.480 putting pressure on the quarterback on interceptions. Pro Football Focus 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.200 had him with nine pressures on plays that turned into 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.440 interceptions for the Dolphins last year, So technically speaking, part 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:20.159 of twelve takeaways for Emmanuel Ogba, just an absolute beast 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.720 out there. And you know, one of the themes on 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.800 the podcast about the course of the season was the 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.159 play before the play, right. We talked about the play 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.359 before a big Xavian Howard interception, the play before a 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.479 big third down sack. Well, Ogba's name came up over 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.000 and over again, whether it was a second and two 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.839 run stop where he forces the opposing offense into a 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.039 third and three and then the Dolphins getta stop on 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.560 that down turns into a four point play because of 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.760 those stops and the work those guys did. He was 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.720 consistent in that regard. He plays multiple positions. Went back 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.880 and watched his tape. He's getting sacks from the nine technique, 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.000 the wide nine, all the way out wide off the 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.120 outside shoulder of the tight end. He's condensing inside of 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.159 the three technique and putting power shows and bulrushes on 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.400 big right guards in the National Football League. So he 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.480 can beat you with speed, he can beat you with power. 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.400 He can convert speed to power, heavy handed, active hands, 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.159 and we're gonna talk about all that stuff here with Ogba. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.279 On the podcast. He broke down some of his game 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.719 and it's a fun, fun interview. Let's go ahead and 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.640 turn this thing now over to my interview with Dolphins 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.599 defensive end Emmanuel Ogbah and writing Shotgun now on the 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.280 Drive Time podcast. He's number ninety one in your programs, 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.240 number one and the sack column and in your hearts. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.679 He's powerful, long, strong, and one hell of a pass rusher. 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:39.920 Emanual Ogba, Emmanuel, what's up? Man? That? What's up? Travis? 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.159 Thanks for having me. I'm really happy to have you 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.040 on today, dude. It was it was fun to watch 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.400 you all season long. But before we get into the 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.160 football stuff, you know, I wanted to ask you about 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.279 one of your teammates and and just put it to 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:55.120 you this way. How privy are you? Two? Shack Lawson's 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.440 idea for his dating show, the Love Shack. I think 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.720 you know you said an idea the version of the 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:04.840 dating show. I mean, I mean he's talked about it 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.880 to me. I'm wondering how much he's told you about it. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.520 Oh well he hasn't. This this is the first for me. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.160 I haven't heard nothing about that. I gotta call him 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.160 check with him on that. So it's called love Shock. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.600 He wants to it's like a like a dating series 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.440 where like you know, the old the old school, like 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.040 I Love New York or the Flavor Flame shows, those 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:24.760 type of things. So he's got an idea for it, 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.320 and they're kicking around somewhere. But I assumed he had 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.120 brought it up to you guys, but he hasn't. That's 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.920 pretty funny. Yeah, I gotta call him about that, love Shack. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.680 It got a nice ring to love Shack. I don't 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.360 know why that sounds familiar though, but yeah, Luve Shack. 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:41.680 I gotta call him and asked him about Dude, he's 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.400 the best, like we we just we did a podcast 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.160 with him back in this during the season and he 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.480 was just what you see is what you get, right, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.600 just laughing and chucking it up the whole time. Oh yeah, 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.120 he definitely makes the room go. You know, it definitely 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.400 brings him and Christian they both bring, you know, smiles 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.640 the room during the comedy to the room tons of 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.000 there with those two guys, and you know you mentioned 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:03.920 you're gonna You're gonna call him and ask him about it. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.280 So do you guys? Is there some communications, some hanging out, 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.760 some working out going on between that defensive line group 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:13.600 in the off season you guys getting together. Uh, well, 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.680 not yet because you know, everybody wants their time off. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.200 You know, we had a long season, so kind of 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.120 everybody to themselves right now. But as we gave closer, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.560 then guys will start coming together, you know, doing workouts 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.520 and stuff as the off season comes to and then 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.480 So that's something I wanted to ask you about and 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.440 get into here, was like when does the clock kind 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.160 of not strike midnight but turn over to the to 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.320 the next season. Like, obviously, you take some time, you decompress, 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.440 you you go to a beach somewhere. I hope, Manuel, 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.839 hope you had a good vacation. Uh what when does 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.400 like the next season officially begin for you? As far 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.120 as like all right, I'm gonna get back on this 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.520 program to get my body in this spot. And like 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.040 when does it start for you? Usually I'll start right 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.280 after the super Bowl. I'll take like a week after 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.880 the super Bowl. Then I'll start, um, you know, kind 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:02.720 of progressing. And I don't start you know, intense training. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.679 I just started getting my my body right back you 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.839 know to where it was, you know, just like start 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.719 my routine again, you know, just because I know we 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.360 still have a long way to go. But you know, 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.199 it's good to you know, started up, even though you're 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.280 not going next really hard right now, but it's good 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.960 to you know, nice little startup. So like more conditioning 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:23.520 and kind of like you mentioned, kind of getting the 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.960 body back to what it was pre season. Yeah, not 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.640 not necessarily a lot of heavyweight tripping the more. Yeah, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.240 like cardio and conditioning and stuff like that. So what 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.079 I want to know, Emmanuel, is when you do get 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.480 into that position where you're you're going you're you're going 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.520 all in, like you're you're doing the heavy lifting, You're 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.960 you're getting your body in the peak shape for the season. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.680 What is the typical day when you're in that part 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.640 of the calendar. What does the typical day look like 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:52.040 for you in the off season? Uh, well, I go. 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.920 I go early in the morning, like around like seven 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.840 seven thirty. That's when I get on the field. The 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.000 field works. And then I get off the field like 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.360 let's say like almost nine o'clock, and then I go 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.600 in the weight room do weight room works. Um, I 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.559 get down that whatever around like eleven, I'm done. So 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.920 I'm done for the day, you know, take a break, relax, um, eat, 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.480 and then at nighttime. I usually like either like just 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.880 go do some like some light cardio work or just 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.120 get on the bike a little bit just to move 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.840 my legs. No, that's just no stuff that I would 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.440 do like during a Austin as it progressed, I don't 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.000 necessarily um go crazy with it. But you know, it's 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.000 just just keeping my body, you know, maintaining my speed 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.440 and just keeping everything moving. Like your body is like 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.440 a machine. You gotta keep every fun too, on every 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.080 little details about it. Oh man, I can't even imagine 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.160 from an athlete's perspective because, like you know, a person 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.760 that writes and does a podcast. If I, like I'm 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.240 lazy for one or two days, it continues for multiple days. 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.679 Body and motion stays in motion. Man, That's that's so true. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.240 So you're doing you do get into the two of 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.960 days in the off season program, Yeah, it's like two 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.440 of that, but not necessarily you know, the second part 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.360 is not necessarily hard because I the marty part is 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.960 when I really you know, get my work in the 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.679 second part of the day is just necessarily just just 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.839 keep my body moving and not just sitting around all day. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.199 So when you talk about field drills, what what does 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:24.200 that entail? Uh, you know, I like with the bags 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.679 to pop up bags, you know, just some passwords stuff 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.200 I work with the bags and you know, some just 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.600 dealon specific movements I would do. Um, it's just just 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.280 just just different stuff. And also I have a coach, 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.520 so that you usually helped me out. You know, I 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.520 can't do it for myself. Well, I work with some 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.560 of my teammates too, or former players that I played with, 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.240 and uh, you know, just just from there. So so 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.199 you mentioned that you have some teammates and stuff, and 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:53.960 I think I've I've mentioned this to you before. There 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.680 was a great video from training camp with you and 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.520 Shack working on you know, hand placement and getting the 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.720 guy's hands off of you, and he was talking about 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.439 your heavy f and hands. Bro, Like you couldn't believe 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.320 how heavy your hands were. And you know that's something 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.839 that the coach Hobby had mentioned before and we've we've 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.400 talked about with you know, your evaluation on this podcast 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.560 many many times a manual. Uh, what's what's the benefit 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.280 of those heavy hands and and when you're doing those drills, 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.080 like what's what are you trying to focus on the most, 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:20.760 Like are you trying to work on just how to 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.080 get his hands off you like, where to get your hands? 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.440 What does what does that practice? How does that translate 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.280 onto the field on Sundays. Um, It's just it's just 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.840 a lot of it's a lot of hand eye coordination 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.360 UM work that I do, and more so when I 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.080 work on my hands a lot, because as a D 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.439 lineman you need your hands. Your hands are one of 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.520 the most important things as a D lineman. So if 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.559 you could keep your hands um fast and active, you 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.800 go a long way. And also, like my my thing 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.120 is to not let the officer the lineman put their 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.720 hands on me because you know he's strong, just like 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.839 I'm strong. You know, if I could get his hands 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.840 off me, if I could get his hands off of me, 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.120 the quicker is be the better for me to look 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.440 his way to the quarterback. And that showed up on 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.079 tape this year. Man, I told you, I went back 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.559 and watched your sacks from this season and they came 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.280 from a variety of positions, a variety of pass rush moves. 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:10.680 But I think the one that really STI out the 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.560 most to me was the cross chop move. And help 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.120 help correct me here if I'm wrong, because you're the 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:16.720 pro and then youally want to get your take on this. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.240 But it looked like to me, when you do that move, 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.079 you want your inside hand to get to his outside 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:28.080 hand the tackles outside hand first. Does that Is that correct? Oh? Yeah? Sure? 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.480 First of all, you have to really like run at 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.240 the guy like you gotta sell them, like you're gonna 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.480 like power him, power rush him, and so that will 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.360 force him to sit to try to break for it. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.920 And that's when they normally shoot their hands and give 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.640 give their hands, and that's what I'm looking for. As 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.600 soon as they get their hands. So that inside arm 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.160 of mind was coming down and my left arms grabbing 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.880 the outside shoulder of the outside shoulder and just trying 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.920 running right past them. So that's that's that's color how 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:00.520 I learned to move A last need to move. You 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.440 and I have different people, you know, teach me to move. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.600 So just been doing that and you kind of use 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.880 that once you get to that point on their upfield shoulder. 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.840 It looks to me like you slingshot off of that 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.360 like momentum, Like you almost use their momentum against them, right, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:15.960 Like that's how you that's how you kind of turned 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:20.840 the corner and flat into the quarterback exactly and turned 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.000 that corner is the rap rap coming fool And I 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.240 see that quarterback with the ball upcoming fools, It's like 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.440 it's like anohing geared, like just map there. There was 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.360 two really good examples of that this year. I thought 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.840 one was the twenty eight yard sack on Joe Flacco 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.720 where Eric Rowe comes clean and forces him to you know, 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.240 pirouette and turn around four or five times and then 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.000 like you mentioned, you worked up field. You kind of 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.880 stayed on your block and then once you saw him 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.920 him peel back. You did that and there's a combination 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.120 of the other play was the Cardinals game where you 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.080 got Kyler Murray, which, by the way, getting that guy 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:54.680 in the open field, let's just give you a quick 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.720 grand of applause for that. That's that's one of the 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.760 most undoable things in the National Football League. But like, 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.360 is it is it like that that you sense blood 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.320 in the water? Because like you do kind of explode 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.360 off that that one step where you see it and 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.280 then the length and the kind of dive to get 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.080 them to the ground. Man, Like, is it a blood 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.080 in the water thing for you? Oh? Yeah? For sure, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.640 my eyes get so right, and those I beat the 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.360 offensive tackle and I see the quarterback still has the ball. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.520 Oh my god, It's like a lightbulb just goes off 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.800 in my hand and my eyes just right. If I 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:29.960 wish the camera can just zoom in on my eyes, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.000 you know, as I'm rushing it. So because as I'll 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.920 beat that line and the quarterbacks still have the ball 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:39.200 nice like be right, so on before you could throw 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.000 that ball, we've gotta get an e manual camera, an 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.520 exclusive manual cam during the game. So I would love 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.520 to see that. Uh that's good stuff, man, because you know, 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.160 going back and watching those sacks again, like I mentioned, 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.120 it's it's it's consistent in the way you do it. 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.760 But um, you know, you go through, you go through 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.400 an entire game, and you mentioned like your eyes get 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.400 big because you can have you know, fifty or sixty reps, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.520 but you might not get your sack right. So like 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.720 when it comes to impact in the game and ways 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.000 beyond just the box score, how much pride do you 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:09.680 take in that? And and what can you tell like 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.400 the casual observer of a football game that says, well, 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.480 all Bud didn't have any sacks but I'm over here 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.080 saying he had five quarterback hits and two of those 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.440 days led you to pick, Like, what what's the the 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.320 overall team identity? Your team plan for the past? Rush 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.880 to to impact the passing game. Um, it starts with everybody. 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.520 You know, just because you don't get the sacks don't 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.440 mean you're not really affecting the quarterback. And that's where 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.560 a lot of people, you know it failed to see. Um. Um, 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.640 just because the numbers aren't there, doesn't mean you're affecting. 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.880 Like let's say, like you get some hurrys in the game, 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.360 Like like you said, five hurrys in the game, Like 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.160 that's affecting the quarterback, Like that's making him throw uncomfortable throws. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.120 And and that's what you're you're here to do. You 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.640 here to affect the quarterbacks. And you know so, um 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.560 so just just cause trouble with the offense. But yeah, 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.520 and and and also the DBS it works hand in hand, 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.960 you know, uh, d line play and corner player works 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.520 hand in hand. They get hold there, hold your receiver 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.480 and give us time to get back to the quarterback. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.440 So I mean that's that's usually how I go about things. 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.840 That's usually how I played the game. I know it's 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.000 a team sport and all the position of work handy 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.320 and we make each other better pretty much. And that 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.479 was very evident this year by the way this Dolphins 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.800 defense played throughout the course of the season. You know, 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.560 you mentioned the team aspect of and how all eleven 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.000 parts have to work, you know, in synchronicity with the 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:31.959 play call of the coaching staff. So really there's more 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.399 than eleven guys that go into a given play. But 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:36.200 you know, one of the things I love watching about 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.760 this pass rush is the commitment to gap integrity. Can 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:41.520 you tell us a little bit about that and what 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.720 staying in your rush lane means a post maybe you 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.840 know some schemes they'll have a pass rusher just try 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.800 to win with speed and off the line right and 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.120 they get up field and they wind up behind the quarterback. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:53.680 Like is that kind of the opposite of what you 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.440 want to do? Like, what does gap integrity mean to you? Well, 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.640 gap integrity it means to me, and like you gotta 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.960 trust your brother to stay in this gap and not 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.800 you know, you know what's in a while? You could 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:07.840 take chance if you know you can make that play. 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.680 But um, but then again, you have to like trust 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.840 your brothers. You have to trust like each of them 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.200 will stay in their gap. And yeah, I think that's 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.760 one thing you know, we ap preach that well, coaches 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.639 preach about and now rushing past the quarterback, got to 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.840 keep the quarterback in front of you because when you 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.359 take that chance and rush your feet around past the quarterback, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.280 then you live in your other ten players to drive, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.760 you know, and you know we all got to you know, 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.560 keep out gaps, and you know we can't lit the 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.160 quarterback out of our site. Yeah, it takes one one 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.200 blown assignment to ruin a play, right, That's how it 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.520 works exactly, just one one mistake and mess everything up. 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.399 So one of the things you do in this defense 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.959 also a manual. We got a manual about Dolphins defensive 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.360 end here on the Drive Time podcast is you rush 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.159 from so many positions. And I mentioned this to you 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.480 off air that so many of those sacks and those 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.639