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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome in second hour of Clay and Buck

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Speaker 2: kicks off right now. Everybody, and you may have seen

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Speaker 2: or at least come across a headline or two about it.

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Speaker 2: House hearing on gender affirming care is today and there

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Speaker 2: are people who are speaking both for advocates for and

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Speaker 2: people advocates against gender affirming care for minors. They're at

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Speaker 2: a House Judiciary subcommittee hearing, so they're talking about things

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Speaker 2: like gender dysphoria, Title nine, women's sports, and parental decision

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Speaker 2: making about gender affirming care. This is a really big deal.

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Speaker 2: What's going on right now. I would first start with

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Speaker 2: I choke a little bit on this phrase that is used.

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Speaker 2: I'm reading it from the news reports. But gender affirming care,

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Speaker 2: this is a new or weelligan construct, and it is

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Speaker 2: act in a sense self negating right or it is

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Speaker 2: self contradictory. Gender affirming care would be the gender that

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Speaker 2: you are, right. It doesn't make any sense if you

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Speaker 2: were born a male and now you are going to

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Speaker 2: become a female by gender, then that's a transition. And

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Speaker 2: I think what everybody has to remember here is that

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Speaker 2: we've had a term for this for a long time,

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Speaker 2: going back for many, many years, people used to say,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying the medical term, but the term that

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Speaker 2: we would use in common discourse for this sex change operation. Now,

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Speaker 2: say what you will about this. That's at least honest.

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Speaker 2: You know, now, there's also dishonestly baked into it, because

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Speaker 2: you can't actually change your sex. A man cannot actually

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Speaker 2: become a woman. That is not reality, but it is

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Speaker 2: at least an attempt at achieving that. Really, what they

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Speaker 2: should call it, if we're being honest, is sex modification surgery,

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Speaker 2: because if you have a penis and they remove your

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Speaker 2: penis and try to create some kind of a wound

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Speaker 2: that is going to be there that you you've modified

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Speaker 2: your sex. I think that is fair. I think you've

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Speaker 2: mutilated your sex. I think it's generally for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, a point of regret. We'll get to some

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Speaker 2: of the testimony about this in a second. You have

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Speaker 2: to take my word for it. You can listen to

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Speaker 2: people that have gone through this, but Clay, they're doing

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Speaker 2: this now, and they're pushing this now for children, and

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Speaker 2: this is what has become the red line. We are

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Speaker 2: not the ones who picked this fight. We're not the

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Speaker 2: ones who make an issue of this. The Democrat left

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Speaker 2: are the ones who have decided that this is now

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Speaker 2: the new civil rights struggle. Let's just call it what

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Speaker 2: it is. That is what they say. And the fact

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Speaker 2: that they're already lying about this and they're referring to

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Speaker 2: it in ways that are meant to, I think, distract

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Speaker 2: people from what's really going on tells you a lot.

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Speaker 2: Here is testifying this morning, a witness, Chloe Cole, talking

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Speaker 2: about what happened with her quote gender of Firming Care

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Speaker 2: play clip one.

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Speaker 3: My childhood was ruined, along with thousands of the China

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Speaker 3: stairs that I know throw networks. This needs to stop.

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Speaker 3: You alone can stop it. Enough children have already been

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Speaker 3: victimized by this barbaric pseudoscience. Please let me be your

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Speaker 3: final warning, Clay.

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Speaker 2: The more people learn about it, and you know, we

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Speaker 2: have to speak about it very honestly here. The more

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Speaker 2: people learn about the long term complications, the fact that

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Speaker 2: a large percentage of people who have sex change surgery,

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Speaker 2: and by the way, they're going to start saying you're

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Speaker 2: not allowed to say that. You know, this is going

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Speaker 2: to become like a lot of other words, that's what

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Speaker 2: this is. They're doing sex change surgeries on people. They

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Speaker 2: want to do them on minors now. And you could say, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: it's just puberty blockers. Well that's the transition to the transition,

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Speaker 2: if you will. Right. They make people in continent, they

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Speaker 2: make people incapable of holding their urine, they make people

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Speaker 2: incapable of having children. This is as serious as it gets.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's awful.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just keep coming back to I think

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Speaker 5: we have to sometimes take away the sex change discussion,

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Speaker 5: prefer minors in particular, and just pivot it to something

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Speaker 5: that's far less significant, but I think would make a

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Speaker 2: Are we talking tattoos again?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because Buck, I've got a fifteen year old right now.

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Speaker 5: He's getting picked up at uh he's getting picked up

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Speaker 5: at camp right now today by my wife up in Michigan.

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Speaker 5: If she picked him up and when she picked them

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Speaker 5: up he had a tattoo, I would be furious.

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Speaker 4: I would be furious. He's fifteen.

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Speaker 5: The idea that you would get a tattoo that is

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Speaker 5: Is would be infuriating to me that somebody would have

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Speaker 5: feel the same way. You shouldn't get a tattoo when

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Speaker 5: you're fifteen years old. It's not because I think that

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Speaker 5: tattoos are unacceptable. Certainly when you become an adult. If

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Speaker 5: you decide that you want to get a tattoo, you

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Speaker 5: should be able to do it. But we actually criminalize

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Speaker 5: in some states, Buck, parents who allow their kids to

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Speaker 5: get tattoos at fifteen.

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Speaker 2: We criminalize parents who don't send their kids to school. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you can get truancy, you got to. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a function of law.

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Speaker 4: But you know you can get a tattoo removed.

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Speaker 5: And yet we still say if you allow a child

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Speaker 5: to do this as a minor, as a parent, this

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Speaker 5: is considered to be unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 5: What's scary is that testimony we just heard. Some blue

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Speaker 5: states now are trying to pass the laws that say,

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Speaker 5: when you're fifteen years old, you, without parental consent, have

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Speaker 5: the right to do this, and if your parents try

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Speaker 5: to stop you from doing it, they are breaking the law.

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Speaker 5: That's how expansive this has gotten.

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Speaker 2: You're going to see now, and they're already making moves

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Speaker 2: so that there will come a time, my friends, when

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Speaker 2: if your child comes home from school at age eight

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Speaker 2: or age ten or age fifteen and says, I'm not

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Speaker 2: whatever the latest terminology that's being they're being brainwashed with,

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Speaker 2: and you say no, actually you're not, and we're not

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Speaker 2: going to do this, and you're not, and that school

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Speaker 2: finds out and the state finds out, if you're in

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Speaker 2: some communist blue state, they might try to take your

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Speaker 2: kids from you. Yeah, that's where this is going. I

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Speaker 2: just want to understand. That's if you're looking at the

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Speaker 2: slope that has been so slippery up to this point.

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Speaker 2: The plan is to do just that, and you can

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Speaker 2: see it with the so they have. They're calling it

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Speaker 2: like safe haven legislation. It's already passed in I think Colorado,

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Speaker 2: and I believe Washington State now as well, where if

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Speaker 2: actually trans and my parents won't affirm it, the state

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Speaker 2: has no duty. In fact, has a duty to shield

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 5: And I also would point out some people will say

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Speaker 5: in response to this, well, if you don't allow these

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Speaker 5: surgeries to happen, if you don't allow this treatment to happen,

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Speaker 5: kids are going to commit suicide. That's one of the

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Speaker 5: top arguments. This is important for mental health. And I

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Speaker 5: actually had honest studies, this is what it would reflect.

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Speaker 5: The desire to change your gender at fourteen or fifteen

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Speaker 5: years old is not a is not causing mental illness

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Speaker 5: if you're not allowed to do it.

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Speaker 4: It's a symptom of mental illness.

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Speaker 5: If you believe, and if you are fourteen or fifteen

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Speaker 5: is by being in a different body the vast, vast

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Speaker 5: majority of the time, Buck, I think that's a symptom

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Speaker 5: of already existing mental illness, not a symptom of it's

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Speaker 5: going to suddenly be cured if you have that surgery right.

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Speaker 2: All you have to know. It reminds me of COVID

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Whenever the studies come out and show

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Speaker 2: what is true. The activists attack, They want it withdrawn,

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Speaker 2: is fake, they don't say the study is flawed. They

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Speaker 2: up with some narrative. And a famous example of this

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Speaker 2: was the study that was pulled about rapid onset gender

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Speaker 2: dysphoria among children that was published out of Brown University,

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Speaker 2: which is the most left wing university. I mean it's

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Speaker 2: technically Ivy League, but really it's just like a communist

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Speaker 2: den of lunacy. But just Brown University coming don't even

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Speaker 2: get grades. The place is a joke. I'm just I'm

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Speaker 2: throwing down the gaunlet.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I had a great education there. It's a beautiful school.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah. I know, not a serious, not a serious

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Speaker 6: Guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm throwing down the gauntlet over this one. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: the reality here is clay. They're lying about this all

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Speaker 2: the time. And Chloe Cole also said this about about

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Speaker 2: her experience. This was on FOXOS to your point about

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Speaker 2: mental illness and what's really going on? Play clip too.

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Speaker 6: Do you believe that societal pressures toward transitioning are outpacing

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Speaker 6: our understanding of gender just for you.

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Speaker 7: It's a huge part of it. I mean, a lot

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Speaker 7: of these people getting caught up on this are kids

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Speaker 7: who have a previous history mental illnesses. Many of them

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Speaker 7: don't we have very many friends at school or have

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Speaker 7: They seek that through these communities online.

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Speaker 5: And here's the other thing, Buck, I guarantee you and

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Speaker 5: this is just broad Life advice, right, it's Friday Show

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Speaker 5: broad Life advice.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 4: If you feel like you need to make.

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Speaker 5: As a young person, a drastic change to your life

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Speaker 5: in order to be happy, and I would say that

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Speaker 5: trying to change your gender is a drastic change. I

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Speaker 5: think what happens with a lot of these kids, and

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Speaker 5: what she's testifying to Buck, is you make that drastic change,

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Speaker 5: it doesn't feel it doesn't fill the void inside of

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Speaker 5: you such that you're actually still unhappy, and now you

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Speaker 5: put yourself in a such more difficult position than you

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Speaker 2: Well, this goes to your point about this goes to

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Speaker 2: your point about about tattoos, it's also there's a whole

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Speaker 2: range of issues, right.

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Speaker 2: You know, people can argue with what the drinking age

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Speaker 2: should be. But part of why there's a you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a drinking age legally is to take those kinds

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Speaker 2: of drugs can you know, you're at a young age

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Speaker 2: and have more of an effect on you and you're

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Speaker 2: less likely to be able to understand the implications and

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Speaker 2: what addiction is obviously age of consent laws, You're you're

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Speaker 2: you're young, You're you're not able, You're not of an

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Speaker 2: adult mind where you can legally say to somebody that

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Speaker 2: you're willing to take on those those you know, the

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Speaker 2: massive decision of actually, you know, sexual relations with somebody.

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Speaker 2: So you know there are there's plenty of precedent for this.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is Clay the Left, this is a

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Speaker 2: have created this whole other echelon of all these risks,

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Speaker 2: Which is which is not true? But that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: To live as FGM, some women would get infections and

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Speaker 5: If you're a guy, you're just creating an open wound

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Speaker 5: Sit in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 5: Friday edition of the program, and Buck, I would say,

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Speaker 5: And of course white men, who I believe Buck represent

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Speaker 4: Roughly. White men are the bane of all evil.

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Speaker 5: And I saw this from our good friend Iohan Omar,

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Speaker 8: Would say our country should be more fearful of white

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Speaker 2: Under the rules that we all have to live by,

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Speaker 5: Let's have it, because I actually after said this was

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Speaker 5: Buck Maybe with you when you would have lost your

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Speaker 2: So, to be fair, skill set, anti white racism is

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Speaker 5: That's where she's a Hall of Fame level contender. So

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Speaker 5: here's the thing. If a white Republican said what elon

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Speaker 5: Omar said and said, hey, the people we need to

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Speaker 5: be concerned about in America today are let's say Hispanics,

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Speaker 5: that is a huge story.

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Speaker 4: If they said, hey.

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Speaker 5: The people we need to be concerned about are overwhelmingly

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Speaker 5: black men, which would be statistically accurate, that would be

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Speaker 5: the number one story in America, and that that political

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Speaker 5: representative would be branded the worst racist in America. And

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Speaker 5: you guys know all that I am true when I

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Speaker 5: am saying this. So my question for you is, how

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Speaker 5: do we defeat a world where we have created such

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Speaker 5: identity politics buck that both whom is speaking the fact

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Speaker 5: that elan Omar is a black Muslim woman means that

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Speaker 5: she isn't held to the same standard as a white

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Speaker 5: Christian man would be, which is wrong. But also the

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Speaker 5: group that she is speaking about, white men, you're allowed

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Speaker 5: to say anything about. So both you have a protected

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Speaker 5: class speaker in elon Omar based on her identity, something

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Speaker 5: that she did not choose, and you have a group

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Speaker 5: white men that you can attack in a way that

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Speaker 5: you couldn't anyone else. How do we and this I

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Speaker 5: think this is a broad question for all of you

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Speaker 5: on Friday as we roll into the weekend, how do

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Speaker 5: we destroy the very fabric of this identity politics universe? Well,

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Speaker 5: where elon Omar is totally within her rights as a

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Speaker 5: black woman to say this about white men and a

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Speaker 5: white man could never say this about any group in

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Speaker 5: America without being absolutely lacerated.

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Speaker 4: What should the standard be? How do we fix it?

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Speaker 4: Easy question for you.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's you don't even have to

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Speaker 2: just look at this in the context of violent statistics

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Speaker 2: or something like that. You can. We have a culture

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Speaker 2: where we're constantly told that there is a systemic racism

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Speaker 2: against non white individuals, right, that is that is the

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Speaker 2: line the Democrats, Corporate America, the media, Hollywood, that's what

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Speaker 2: they've all adopted. Meanwhile, if you are the wrong race

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Speaker 2: and you say a word that you're not allowed to say,

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Speaker 2: your entire life and career and everything can be ruined

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Speaker 2: and destroyed no matter what context you say it in,

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Speaker 2: by the way, which is I think just wrong. I

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Speaker 2: think it's ethically and morally wrong that this.

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Speaker 5: Is the should matter, it should be the foundation of

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Speaker 5: how we judge any of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you would think so, right, But no, that's

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Speaker 2: how powerful this narrative is. And then on the other

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Speaker 2: side of things, you can say absolutely anything you want

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Speaker 2: about white men in our discourse. Anything. You can say

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Speaker 2: that the rapists are all white men, you can say

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Speaker 2: that the murderers are all white white men. Whatever. You

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Speaker 2: can say anything you want, and there are zero professional, cultural,

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Speaker 2: or other consequences really whatsoever. I mean, you just know

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Speaker 2: you can do that and say that, so this is

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Speaker 2: how far it's gone. And this is I think something

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Speaker 2: that when you look at wokeness it can sound very

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Speaker 2: academic to a lot of people are like, well, we're

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Speaker 2: looking at DEI trading all this stuff. We either fight

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Speaker 2: for a standard where everyone is treated based upon as

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Speaker 2: you said, treated on who they are, not how they

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Speaker 2: look or what their ethnicity is, or else you're always

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Speaker 2: just dealing with this. The only consistent standard has to

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Speaker 2: be human beings or individuals. We're all equal in God's

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Speaker 2: eyes and the eyes of the law, truly equal in

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Speaker 2: the eyes of the law. Not well you know historic, No, no,

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Speaker 2: that's not how it goes. So it's essentially just really

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Speaker 2: the fight for objective truth and objective standards. That's what

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Speaker 2: it actually comes down to, because what they want is

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Speaker 2: always and this is what intersectionality, which you don't hear

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Speaker 2: a lot anymore. That term became very popular a few

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Speaker 2: years ago. Intersectionality, some people say, is effectively racial Marxism,

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Speaker 2: which is where society is just interlocking racial groups with

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Speaker 2: different levels of oppression, and we all have to become

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Speaker 2: familiar with them and everything must be judged through that prism.

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Speaker 2: This is completely unworkable for a society. It's insane. It's

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Speaker 2: also immoral, but it has become very common. And Democrats

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Speaker 2: they if you ever see like certain Democrats, they'll sit

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Speaker 2: there and you know, it reminds me of the Gaven

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Speaker 2: Uwsom thing, for example with Adam Carolla many years ago,

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Speaker 2: and that was many years ago, that was over like

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Speaker 2: a decade ago, where he and this is about Hispanics.

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Speaker 2: He just says, well, why do so few Hispanics in

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Speaker 2: your state of California have a checking account? It's entirely free.

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Speaker 2: You just walk in and get a checking account. So

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Speaker 2: why is that the fault of society? And all Gavin

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Speaker 2: Newsom knew was that the blame must be put on

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Speaker 2: other you know, on the system, and that's why he

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Speaker 2: had no answer for it whatsoever. You see that over

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Speaker 2: and over again that all the Democrats know are those

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Speaker 2: baseline rules. You can always blame the system, and by

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Speaker 2: the system they mean white people.

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Speaker 5: And I would just point out that you probably will

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Speaker 5: not see or hear that clip discussed anywhere and on

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Speaker 5: the left in America, but they would defend it if

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Speaker 5: it turned into a story, they would be like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 5: well this is totally acceptable, and I just bring it

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Speaker 5: back to as a part of the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 5: Republican primary rate and certainly into the election itself. I

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Speaker 5: hope the eventual nominee comes over the top with a

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Speaker 5: lot of these facts and helps to the one thing

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Speaker 5: I would say about Trump that in terms of discourse,

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Speaker 5: he's proven that the American public does not believe in

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Speaker 5: cancel culture and they're not seeking to fire someone over

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Speaker 5: a slip of the tongue. And I think sharing actual

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Speaker 5: facts is the only waybuck we can ever solve anything

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Speaker 5: in this country. And if you don't, if you really

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Speaker 5: wanted to reduce murders, you have to point out who's

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Speaker 5: actually committing the murders and where they're occurring, which is

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Speaker 5: the foundation of trying to keep less of them from happening.

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Speaker 5: And that brings to bear something we mentioned earlier, which

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Speaker 5: is I'm sure you saw and we talked about it

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Speaker 5: a little bit. The Oakland and DOAACP. They put out

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Speaker 5: a pretty fascinating statement where they just kind of threw

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Speaker 5: their hands up and finally said, hey, we've been sold

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Speaker 5: a bill of goods out here in the Bay Area,

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Speaker 5: and we're all reaping the consequence ins is of the

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Speaker 5: wise that have been sold about how to make our

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Speaker 5: community safer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, we've reached out to trying to

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Speaker 2: get in touch with Bukeli, the president of al Salvador,

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Speaker 2: because to take a country that was one of the

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Speaker 2: most violent in the world in a number of years

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Speaker 2: make it one of the safest in the Western world

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Speaker 2: at least, it's remarkable. But he did this really crazy

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Speaker 2: thing where he just decided we're going to enforce the

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Speaker 2: law and lock up criminals who are a threat to people,

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Speaker 2: irrespective of what the you know, un human rights groups

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Speaker 2: we're going to lock people up and we're going to

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Speaker 5: you and I have talked a lot over the years,

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Speaker 5: and by the way, we've been talking about all of

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Speaker 5: was fearless when it came to reporting on the truth

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Speaker 5: of COVID. He's got a piece up this morning, saying

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Speaker 5: a new Swiss study shows that the mRNA COVID shots

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Speaker 5: have caused far more heart damage than was previously known,

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Speaker 5: headline is COVID jabs have caused silent heart damage to

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Speaker 5: And then here's the subheading, moderna's COVID boots caused one

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Speaker 5: blood test Swiss doctor's report. Will the CDC or American

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Speaker 5: researchers take note one in thirty five, one in thirty

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Speaker 5: five according to this Swiss research? And Buck, what percentage

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Speaker 5: of people do you think would have ever gotten a

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Speaker 5: COVID shot if you had been told, hey, you have

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Speaker 5: a one in thirty five chance of doing damage to

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Speaker 5: your heart, or you can roll the dice on surviving

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Speaker 5: a virus with depending on your.

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Speaker 4: Age, a ninety nine point nine.

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Speaker 5: Plus percent chance of survival, particularly if you were in

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Speaker 5: your teenage years, if you were in your twenties, you

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Speaker 5: were in your thirties. I mean, this is scary research. Again,

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Speaker 5: this is from the Swiss. We'll see how much attention

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Speaker 5: it gets in the United States. But my goodness, I

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Speaker 5: want to tie this in with another testimony year in

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Speaker 5: a minute. But what percentage people do you think would

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Speaker 5: have done that?

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Speaker 2: They lied, and they're gonna have to keep lying because

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Speaker 2: Clay they didn't allow people to make the basic risk

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Speaker 2: analysis and calculation of all of this, right, They stacked

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Speaker 2: the deck. They shut down criticism. And think about this, right,

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Speaker 2: Imagine if somebody was saying, hey, you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: plane because you'll probably be fine, but you know, something

656
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Speaker 2: like one in a thousand of these may have a

657
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Speaker 2: serious mechanical failure and you could be a risk. And

658
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Speaker 2: they said, shut up. You're not allowed to say that.

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Speaker 2: You're not allowed to tell anybody about that. Everybody gets

660
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Speaker 2: on this plane. No one's allowed to know what the

661
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Speaker 2: percentage of the risk is of getting on the plane,

662
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Speaker 2: just as an asside. Commercial aviation is actually incredibly safe.

663
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Speaker 2: It's so safe it's almost pooring to talk about. But

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, theoretically right, and it wasn't

665
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Speaker 2: as safe, you know, fifty years ago, people would be

666
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Speaker 2: outraged about that. And if you were selling and this

667
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Speaker 2: is actually a much better example. C if you were

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Speaker 2: selling a drug that was meant to treat hypertension, let's say,

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Speaker 2: and they said, you know what's it's super rare the

670
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Speaker 2: liver damage that it does, and we think it's so

671
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Speaker 2: important because of the all the heart attacks that will

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Speaker 2: prevent that, We're just not gonna tell people about the

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Speaker 2: liver damage. Not only would the company get sued and

674
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Speaker 2: maybe go bankrupt, people might go to prison over that, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't do that. And if this data,

676
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Speaker 2: if this comes out and it is true that there

677
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Speaker 2: were you know, there is a lot more damaged done

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Speaker 2: to people. I think it's a very app comparison, and

679
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Speaker 2: I think there need to be consequences. The problem is

680
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: they diffuse so much. They made everyone accessories to this,

681
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: or not everybody, but as many people as they could.

682
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Speaker 2: They defuse so much responsibility that that's going to be

683
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Speaker 2: the game they played. We didn't know it was somebody

684
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Speaker 2: else's decision. We just went with the experts.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: Another part of this and by the way, that again

687
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Speaker 5: this a Swiss study, you're probably not gonna hear it

688
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Speaker 5: talked about very much because they want to pretend now

689
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Speaker 5: that they never tried to mandate COVID shots. But also

690
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 5: what we do know is if you're a woman, your

691
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Speaker 5: minstrel cycle was impacted by the COVID shot could have been.

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Speaker 5: That's already acknowledged. No one is debating it. Alison Williams

693
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Speaker 5: Buck was an ESPN sideline reporter. She and her husband

694
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Speaker 5: were working on trying to have a second child. She

695
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Speaker 5: testified yesterday in front of Congress about ESPN, which is

696
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Speaker 5: owned by Disney, mandating that everyone get the COVID shot.

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Speaker 4: She went to her doctor.

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Speaker 5: She was in the process, as many of you out

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Speaker 5: there have been, of trying to have a baby. She

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Speaker 5: didn't want to risk getting a COVID shot and injecting

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Speaker 5: this mRNA into her body while she was in the

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Speaker 5: process of trying to get to trying to get pregnant.

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Speaker 5: She got her doctor to say, okay, you have a

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Speaker 5: medical exemption. ESPN refused to allow the medical exemption from

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Speaker 5: her doctor. She then also filed for a religious exemption.

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Speaker 5: ESPN refused to allow her to use a religious exemption

707
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Speaker 5: and buck they told her, if you don't get the

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Speaker 5: COVID shot, you are fired. Listen to part of her

709
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Speaker 5: testimony from Capitol Hill yesterday.

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Speaker 9: I had a valid and sincere opposition to this injection

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Speaker 9: in regards to my scheduled IVF transfer. I also have

712
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Speaker 9: valid and sincere religious objections to the COVID nineteen vaccine.

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Speaker 9: The extent and basis of my beliefs were questioned and

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Speaker 9: they were discussed at length with human resources representatives from ESPN.

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Speaker 2: The sincerity of.

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Speaker 9: My religious beliefs was acknowledged, but it was determined I

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Speaker 9: couldnt continue to be employed without creating an ondue burden

718
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Speaker 9: upon the company. I was given one week to comply

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Speaker 9: and get the injection or be separated from the company.

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Speaker 9: I did not receive the vaccine as my beliefs did

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Speaker 9: not change in that week, and therefore it was terminated

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Speaker 9: as an employee with ESPN in October of twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 9: and just like that, newly pregnant I was stripped of

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Speaker 9: my job, my health insurance, and having my personal and

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Speaker 9: medical decisions the topic of national news.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Buck, First of all, I know Alison a little bit.

727
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Speaker 5: I mean, standing on the courage of your convictions is hard.

728
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Speaker 5: ESPN fired her while she was pregnant, stripped her of

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Speaker 5: her health insurance, refused to allow her to in any

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Speaker 5: way make a religious or health related exemption. I imagine

731
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of people out there who've been going

732
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Speaker 5: through IVF. It's incredibly expensive, and while you're in that process,

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Speaker 5: the last thing you want to do is upset your

734
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Speaker 5: body's biochemistry. I am furious for people like Alison, And

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Speaker 5: remember Buck, Joe Biden tried.

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Speaker 4: To make it the case.

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Speaker 5: So ESPN should be ashamed and ESPN should public publicly

738
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Speaker 5: apologized to her and everyone else they fired over this,

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Speaker 5: and so should every company in America. By the way,

740
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Speaker 5: but Joe Biden tried to mandate that every American, just

741
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Speaker 5: about who works at a decent sized company in America,

742
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Speaker 5: eighty four million of us, either get the COVID shot

743
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Speaker 5: or be fired. And it's like everybody's just forgotten about it.

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Speaker 5: The only reason that wasn't upheld was because Thankfully the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court said no.

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Speaker 2: I feel so strongly about this that I really believe this,

747
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Speaker 2: and I know that this will sound this will sound

748
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: like exaggeration for effect on the radio. I would be

749
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Speaker 2: entirely comfortable making the case that on that alone, I

750
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Speaker 2: don't care what they say about Trump. I don't care

751
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Speaker 2: what the charges are that they have leveled so far.

752
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't even scratch this surface for me, in comparison

753
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Speaker 2: to what Joe Biden tried to do to the American

754
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Speaker 2: people in the most dictatorial and horrific fashion we've ever

755
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Speaker 2: seen in a medical context or decision in living memory,

756
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: at least in this country, I think that a vote

757
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: against Biden is justified on this alone. I don't care

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Speaker 2: what they say about Trump. It doesn't matter to me.

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00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: I will I will vote against Biden. And there's all

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Speaker 2: the other things that we talked about every day, But

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Speaker 2: for me, you can be a single issue voter on

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Speaker 2: this this one thing of what Joe Biden tried to

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Speaker 2: do to the American people with that shot, and what

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Speaker 2: was done by a lot of Democrats and a lot

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Speaker 2: of states, including at the point I was living there

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Speaker 2: in my home state of New York, single issue voter,

767
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Speaker 2: no never again, never again, and any independent, any person,

768
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Speaker 2: any swing voter, and any sane Democrat if they said

769
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Speaker 2: to me, you know, I believe a lot of the

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Speaker 2: stuff they're saying about Trump, but I don't care what

771
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Speaker 2: Joe did on the vaccines. That's unforgivable. I think that's

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Speaker 2: entirely intellectually and ethically supportable.

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent it is.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, Alison good story there, healthy baby.

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Speaker 4: Had a second child.

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Speaker 2: Good So I bet you wouldn't change I bet you

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Speaker 2: wouldn't change her decision.

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Speaker 5: Clay, She one hundred percent would not change her decision.

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Speaker 5: And she's speaking out now. She said, I remember I

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Speaker 5: remember talking to her when this whole thing blew up.

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Speaker 5: She was pregnant, like she didn't want to be the

782
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Speaker 5: center of the world over her personal health care decision.

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Speaker 5: But when they fired her, another positive here, Fox Sports

784
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Speaker 5: hired her, so she is still doing sideline work for

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Speaker 5: Fox Sports. He probably doesn't want the praise here, but

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Speaker 5: the head of Fox Sports, Eric Shanks, saw this story.

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Speaker 5: He's a friend of mine, he's an awesome guy. He's

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Speaker 5: been there a long time, and he said, you know

789
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Speaker 5: this is wrong, and he did his best to get

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Speaker 5: her hired at Fox Sports so she can do work

791
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Speaker 5: with the Fox Sports company on sideline reporting. She's fantastic,

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Speaker 5: she's super talented. She's doing a great job at ESPN.

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Speaker 5: But to me, what is so important about what she

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Speaker 5: testified yesterday, Buck, is there are millions of Alison Williams

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Speaker 5: out there, millions, and this is one of the things

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Speaker 5: to your point, Buck, if you're a suburban mom, have

797
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 5: you forgotten what they did to your kids? Have you

798
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Speaker 5: forgotten what they did to your family? Have you forgotten

799
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Speaker 5: having to put that mask on your kid even though

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Speaker 5: you knew it was totally worthless because Democrats were telling

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Speaker 5: you that if you didn't have that mask on your kids.

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Speaker 2: That they would that they would die of COVID. Have

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Speaker 2: you forgotten that they made your kids sit in front

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Speaker 2: of a remote learning laptop or whatever it would have been,

805
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: in a totally worthless remote learning concept. I understand, and

806
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: we've talked about this a lot, but I think we

807
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: need to keep hammering it into twenty twenty four. I

808
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: understand that some of you may out there may be

809
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Speaker 2: huge Trump people, and some of you may be VIVAQ

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Speaker 2: or DeSantis, and right now there's a lot of tempests,

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Speaker 2: as there will be during the course of the Republican primary,

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Speaker 2: as everybody waves the flag of the guy or girl

813
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Speaker 2: they like the best. But understand, when you have this

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Speaker 2: choice ultimately next year, you are being asked to render

815
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Speaker 2: a verdict on whether you believe Joe Biden or whoever

816
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: the Democrat is going to be was honest and forthright

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Speaker 2: and and didn't hide the truth from you during COVID

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Speaker 2: and during his tenure, and if you vote Democrat. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how your brain worked. I really I

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Speaker 2: can I say that. You know, we were hoping in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two there would be that reckoning that we

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00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: talked about, but there were smoke screens thrown up, there

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Speaker 2: were other things. Since you know, now the polling is

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Speaker 2: showing that it's what I thought would happened, but it

825
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Speaker 2: just took a little more time. Abortion in a lot

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Speaker 2: of these states is likely to be much less of

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Speaker 2: an issue because the blue states nothing changed, and other

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Speaker 2: states people see what actually the rules are, and you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're in a very red state, well, guess what,

830
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Speaker 2: You're in a very red state. So I think that'll

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Speaker 2: be less of an issue the next time around. There

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Speaker 2: was also some of the twenty twenty election stuff. But

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Speaker 2: putting all that all that aside, Joe Biden was really

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Speaker 2: the one who was the most egregious COVID criminal. I

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Speaker 2: know we talked about the other context in which he's

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Speaker 2: a criminal, and those are all true, yes, But COVID,

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Speaker 2: the crimes of COVID that he committed against the country

838
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 2: have never really been put to the test by the voter.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't on the ballot in twenty twenty two as

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Speaker 2: it stands right now. Things could change, but as it

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Speaker 2: stands right now, he will be on the ballot in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. And I think that the American people

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00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: do need to be reminded. He was saying that we

844
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Speaker 2: were facing a winter of death for the unvaccinated, the

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Speaker 2: moral blackmail, the constant just insidious undermining and slights of

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00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: all kinds from the White House over this issue that

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00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: they were entirely wrong on. Not a single person out

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Speaker 2: there who chose not to get the shot was in

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00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: any way a greater danger to anyone around them than

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Speaker 2: everyone who got shots three four, five, sixty seven, not

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Speaker 2: one person. Because we know what actually ended up happening.

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Speaker 2: They were wrong about it stopping the spread, and they

853
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: were also wrong about the scale of the side effects.

854
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: Are just matters of fact. Now, the fact that Joe

855
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: Biden hasn't had to do a at least a speech

856
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Speaker 2: where he tries to do some meaium mouthed apology over

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Speaker 2: this is appalling. Appalling.

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Speaker 5: Here's my biggest concern about Trump on this issue, Buck,

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Speaker 5: And this is something for everybody to just put it

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Speaker 5: in their back pocket and think about, because obviously, the

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Speaker 5: in theory we're going to have debates next year, presuming

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Speaker 5: that Trump were the nominee, is he willing to go

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00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 5: after Biden balls to the wall on this issue. There

864
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 5: are a lot of issues you can attack Biden on,

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Speaker 5: this is one where there is no defense, and I

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Speaker 5: hope that Trump is going to be willing to go

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Speaker 5: after Biden just absolutely level him over this on a

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Speaker 5: public forum, because that's one of the few times, Buck,

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Speaker 5: you get the opportunity to speak to those undecideds in

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Speaker 5: the debate. On nine to eleven, twenty nine hundred and

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Speaker 1: Truth Seeking, Reality Telling to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in.

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Speaker 5: We are joined now by the man that I think

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Speaker 5: does a better job of breaking down everything in this

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Speaker 5: crazy legal world that we find ourselves in on a

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Speaker 5: day to day basis. Frankly, I mean I went to

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Speaker 5: law school and a lot of this stuff is like

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Speaker 5: crazy legal hypotheticals for people out there who who don't

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Speaker 5: go to law school.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Andy, it's when you do a law school.

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Speaker 5: Exam, they try to come up with all sorts of

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Speaker 5: crazy legal hypotheticals for you to analyze. And if you

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Speaker 5: were in con law, it's like all of the crazy

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Speaker 5: legal hypotheticals that you might have to analyze are actually

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Speaker 5: now playing out in real time and there's not a

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Speaker 5: lot of precedent for anything that's going on. And so

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Speaker 5: I want to start with this. By the way, condolences

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Speaker 5: to your mets. I'm headed down to watch the Braves

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Speaker 5: play this weekend. I thought it was going to be

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Speaker 5: a race in the division. You guys just have fallen

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Speaker 5: flat on your face.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so soon? Why don't we trade the best play once?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Or six games? You know, you just can't even make it.

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Speaker 4: Up, all right, So let's start. Let's start here.

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Speaker 5: I just told Buck, and we'll get into the latest

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Speaker 5: charges and everything else. But I want to start with

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Speaker 5: the Hunter Biden thing because I thought that was that

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Speaker 5: was crazy.

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Speaker 4: So I've got a theory for you.

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Speaker 5: I want to hear what you think about this theory,

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Speaker 5: and then I want you to kind of contextualize for

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Speaker 5: our audience how unprecedented what we saw in that plea

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Speaker 5: agreement hearing it really was. So here's my theory, Andy,

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Speaker 5: I think the prosecution made a private deal as a

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Speaker 5: part of this larger plea agreement. They said, hey, we're

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Speaker 5: not going to bring any additional charges against Hunter. You

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Speaker 5: have my word, this is a done deal. And then

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Speaker 5: Judge Noriyeika recognized that this thing is very strangely designed,

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Speaker 5: and when she was requiring the prosecutors to say in

927
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Speaker 5: public court, hey, this is all done. There's no more

928
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Speaker 5: charges being brought, they weren't willing to do that, and

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Speaker 5: that then angered So it's public versus private discussions that

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Speaker 5: then angered the Hunter Biden team. Do you buy into

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Speaker 5: that theory and then kind of contextualize for us how

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Speaker 5: crazy what we saw earlier in this week in this

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Speaker 5: hearing really was based on your experience.

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Speaker 6: By ninety percent by your theory. The only quibbl I

935
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Speaker 6: have with it is that it's what happens is actually

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Speaker 6: more audacious than what you describe because the agreement, the

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Speaker 6: not in a wink agreement that we're talking about, was

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Speaker 6: not private. It was actually tucked away in the diversion agreement.

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Speaker 6: So they did write it. It's just that in a

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Speaker 6: normal plea agreement you would put the immunity term plea

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Speaker 6: agreement here. What they did was they didn't community term

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Speaker 6: in the tax flea agreement. They had this other document,

943
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Speaker 6: the diversion agreement, which they were telling everybody who was oh,

944
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Speaker 6: that's just you know, the arrangement we've made to make

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Speaker 6: his gun case go away. But paragraph fifteen of the

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Speaker 6: diversion agreement, which the court does not have to sign

947
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Speaker 6: off on, by the way, states exactly what you just

948
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Speaker 6: describe play, which is that you know, basically they are

949
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Speaker 6: ever going to prosecute him for anything ever again.

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Speaker 5: And they were embarrassed to say that publicly. They were

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Speaker 5: trying to slide it by. That's the part you agree with,

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Speaker 5: and that's what the judge pointed to, and it blew up.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think politically they could not admit that that

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Speaker 6: was true.

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Speaker 2: But any have you any have you ever in all

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Speaker 2: your you have you did over twenty what was it

957
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Speaker 2: twenty three years in the Southern District of New York,

958
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Speaker 2: were you ever aware of seeing or a part of

959
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Speaker 2: any kind of a federal criminal plea negotiation or plea

960
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Speaker 2: situation like what just unfolded in Delaware.

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Speaker 6: Not only is the answer to that notebook, but I

962
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Speaker 6: was never involved in something that was a sham. So

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Speaker 6: that kind of tells you everything you need to know.

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Speaker 6: First of all, I mean, just like common sense, which

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Speaker 6: is not lawyer stuff but just common sense stuff. If

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Speaker 6: you really had a continuing investigation, and this goes to

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Speaker 6: clays point where they had to pretend that they had

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Speaker 6: a continuing investigation, and when the judge started to ask

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Speaker 6: not exactly the most exacting questions of all time, I mean,

970
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Speaker 6: this thing fell apart like a like a cheap tent.

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Speaker 6: But if you really did have a continuing investigation, and

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Speaker 6: they said they did, and that Hunter could be charged,

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Speaker 6: then why on earth would you ever give one of

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Speaker 6: the main subjects of the investigation a plea deal to

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Speaker 6: two misdemeanors in the middle of your ongoing investigation, a

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Speaker 6: plea deal where you promise him that you'll recommend the

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Speaker 6: sentence of probation when you're supposedly conducting a serious investigation

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Speaker 6: that's ongoing into a big, multimillion dollar bribery conspiracy. Nobody

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Speaker 6: would ever do that. And secondly, the way they orchestrated this.

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Speaker 6: One of the things we ought to be looking more

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Speaker 6: closely at is the statement of facts that they incorporated

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Speaker 6: by reference into both the plea agreement and the diversion agreement.

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Speaker 6: Because let's take a step back and say, what's the

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Speaker 6: Biden corruption investigation about. Right, they have a bribery conspiracy

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Speaker 6: that's supposedly under investigation, where foreign elements are paying million

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Speaker 6: dollars into the Biden coffers, and what they're doing is

987
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Speaker 6: trying to hide where the money is coming from. One

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Speaker 6: way they do that is by this maze of LLCs

989
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Speaker 6: and accounts and banking channels that they hide the money in.

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Speaker 6: But another important way they do it is that Hunter

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Speaker 6: doesn't pay his taxes, which if he paid them honestly,

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Speaker 6: would be a big problem for a scheme like that.

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Speaker 6: That's your theory of the continuing investigation. Now, what is

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Speaker 6: the statement of facts that they filed say? It says

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Speaker 6: that Hunter got all this money because he's a really

996
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Speaker 6: sophisticated lawyer who has high end international and domestic clients,

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Speaker 6: and he didn't pay his taxes, not because he was

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Speaker 6: trying to hide the money, but because he was drug addled. Now,

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Speaker 6: It's one thing for Hunter to have that version of events.

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Speaker 6: The Justice Department signed on to that as a stipulation

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Speaker 6: in connection with these agreements.

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Speaker 5: Which, by the way, Andy is about trying to argue

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Speaker 5: that they were going to have difficulty proving that he

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Speaker 5: willfully choose not to pay his choose not to pay

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Speaker 5: his taxes.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: I think that's the fig leaf here that the Justice

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Speaker 5: Department is trying to argue, Oh, we have to take

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Speaker 5: this plea agreement, because they're trying to argue that this

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Speaker 5: is somehow a tough case because of the wilful standard,

1011
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Speaker 5: despite all of the evidence that he did willfully choose

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Speaker 5: not to pay his taxes exactly right.

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Speaker 6: Because the way that you prove that is, of course

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Speaker 6: by bringing in all the bribery stuff, which shows the

1015
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Speaker 6: powerful motive not to disclose, which you would have to

1016
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Speaker 6: do with respect to your taxes. And I also think

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Speaker 6: Clay on this point, like you go back to your

1018
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 6: law school exampoint the statute of limitations here. I keep

1019
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 6: hearing all this commentary saying, you know, it's too bad

1020
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Speaker 6: that they've gone so long that they've now lost to

1021
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Speaker 6: twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen taxes. The tax camps, you know,

1022
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Speaker 6: the failure to pay tax where they didn't charge him

1023
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Speaker 6: with evasion, which is the crime they should a charge

1024
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Speaker 6: him with. But what they're not saying is what are

1025
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Speaker 6: those twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen camps. We now know

1026
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Speaker 6: that's the Barisma bribery scheme. So if you indict those

1027
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Speaker 6: camps and you tell the story of how that money

1028
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 6: came to be, you have to get into the bribery.

1029
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Speaker 6: And of course they don't want to do that, so

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Speaker 6: they let those counts laps.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. As you laid us on, Andy can baseball season,

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Speaker 2: wait a few more minutes and come back, because we've

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Speaker 2: got a Trump superseding indictment to talk you back. Can

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Speaker 2: you give us a few more Oh yeah, all right,

1035
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Speaker 2: all right, because we got to dive into that folks. Right,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna got a special council. It's yeah, we got

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Speaker 2: a lot, We got a lot. All right, We're gonna

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Speaker 2: get into it one second, but first up, folks, Andy

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Speaker 2: to seven. All right, we're here with any McCarthy, a

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Speaker 2: national review in Fox News former federal prosecutor Andy. I

1061
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Speaker 2: want to keep my words here tight because we've got

1062
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Speaker 2: a lot to cover in only a few minutes. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Trump the indictment, When is it coming down? And what

1064
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Speaker 2: do you think about this superseding indictment that just came

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Speaker 2: out in the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 6: I think he's in a Tuesday Thursday grand jury. I

1067
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Speaker 6: think buck I really expected it yesterday so they could

1068
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 6: step on the Hunter story, But I would imagine it's

1069
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Speaker 6: going to come early next week. I'd like to think

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Speaker 6: that the Trump lawyers may have given them a lot

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Speaker 6: of pause yesterday because I think this indictment has a

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Speaker 6: lot of legal problems as compared to the mar A

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Speaker 6: Lago thing, And I think they superseded the Mara A

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Speaker 6: Lago thing because they may be worried that the obstruction

1075
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Speaker 6: charges really rely heavily on the testimony from Trump's lawyer,

1076
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Speaker 6: and if the judge in Florida doesn't agree with the

1077
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Speaker 6: judge in Washington that Trump lost his attorney client privilege

1078
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Speaker 6: in that connection, then if they lose the lawyer's testimony,

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Speaker 6: they have a lot of problems proving the obstruction part

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Speaker 6: of the case. So I think this guy that they

1081
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Speaker 6: indicted yesterday, and this whole thing about the surveillance tapes

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Speaker 6: is probably meant to sure up the obstruction part of.

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Speaker 5: The case, Andy, What do you think about that you

1084
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Speaker 5: raise that. I think it's an important lead issue here.

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Speaker 5: Most of the rulings that allowed the charges to be

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Speaker 5: filed in South Florida actually were made by a judge

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Speaker 5: in Washington, d C. And now a new judge, Eileen Cannon,

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Speaker 5: down in South Florida, has to look at all those

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Speaker 5: choices that were made by the DC judge. Is that

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Speaker 5: a common situation? You would be far more familiar with this,

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Speaker 5: But I don't think that happens very often where you

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Speaker 5: basically have an entire grand jury proceeding that you set

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Speaker 5: up in d C and suddenly decide, wait, maybe we

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Speaker 5: have a issue with jurisdiction and basically take an already

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Speaker 5: begun process and then bring it down to South Florida.

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Speaker 5: How do you think those rulings will be interpreted by

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Speaker 5: Eileen Cannon And how commonplace is a decision like that.

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Speaker 6: I guest that she's going to feel like Canon is

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Speaker 6: going to feel like she needs to defer to the

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Speaker 6: District of Columbia judges. But I say, Clay, this comes

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Speaker 6: up in special Hansel investigations in particular and always with

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Speaker 6: respect to Trump because special councils decide to plant their

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Speaker 6: flag in Washington, and the reason they do that. This

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Speaker 6: isn't discussed very often, but Washington has a kind of

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Speaker 6: a funky local rule in federal court there that all

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Speaker 6: grand jury matters go to the chief judge. And the

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Speaker 6: chief judge in Washington for a number of years was

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Speaker 6: Beryl Holle, who made the rulings that we're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Beryl Holle was Pat Lady's main lawyer on the Judiciary

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Speaker 6: Committee all those years. She was a sharp elbowed partisan.

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Speaker 6: Obama put her on the DC District Court and then

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Speaker 6: she became the chief judge, and they very much liked

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Speaker 6: if you had an investigation into Trump people. They liked

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Speaker 6: having the investigation in the District of Columbia. And she

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Speaker 6: reliably ruled in favor of the special councils and against Trump,

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Speaker 6: you know, for years. So I think that's what one

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Speaker 6: of those things that you wish that there was more

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Speaker 6: attention to in some of the coverage.

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Speaker 2: What's it looking like, Andy, in terms of the timing,

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Speaker 2: we've seen at least the South Florida trial is set

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Speaker 2: to happen before the election would would go down. How

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Speaker 2: does that affect whether you think this is even in

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Speaker 2: January sixth, special council charge would be scheduled in here,

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Speaker 2: and then if you could also just tell us if

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Speaker 2: he's going to be found guilty in both of those,

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Speaker 2: that'd be great.

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Speaker 6: Thanks. Yeah, yeah, Well I don't see how this, I

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Speaker 6: really I continue not to see how the Maraologue case

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Speaker 6: gets the trial prior to the election, because it's controlled

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Speaker 6: by the Classified Information Procedures Act, where they have to

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Speaker 6: make all the rulings about admissibility of classified information before

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Speaker 6: the trial and so that things can be declassified and

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Speaker 6: made public because we don't you know, we don't clear

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Speaker 6: we don't get security clearances for the jury. What you

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Speaker 6: do is you litigate before trials to make sure that

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Speaker 6: everything's coming into the case is declassified. If they're going

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Speaker 6: to now, you know, I think it's hard enough to

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Speaker 6: get this to trial by May. If you're now going

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Speaker 6: to start superseding the indictment and adding new defendants who

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Speaker 6: will have to get lawyers who are cleared and are

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Speaker 6: just are able to get all that discovery, I think

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Speaker 6: this has to set them back. I know the judges

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Speaker 6: trying to keep control of this, but I've just been

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Speaker 6: in a few of these litigations, and they're very they

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Speaker 6: take a long time.

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Speaker 5: Andy, I want to circle back for a minute to

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Speaker 5: the Hunter Biden situation. And Buck and I were talking

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Speaker 5: about this off air. It's not only and I'm curious

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Speaker 5: how you would analyze this. It's not only that there

1150
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Speaker 5: was a you know, basically secret, attempted goal to keep

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Speaker 5: Hunter Biden from having to be prosecuted again going forward.

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Speaker 5: By saying, and I want you to break this down,

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Speaker 5: tell me if you agree with me, by saying there's

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Speaker 5: an ongoing investigation. That also protects the district attorney in

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Speaker 5: this Weiss as well as Meyrick, Garland and others from

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Speaker 5: having to actually testify under oath about the Hunter Biden

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Speaker 5: investigation because they can fall back on, well, that's an

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Speaker 5: ongoing investigation, and we don't comment on ongoing investigations. To me,

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Speaker 5: that's also a big part of the attempted cover up here.

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Speaker 4: Am I wrong? Do you see that?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 6: I think you're not only right. It's always made me

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Speaker 6: curious about why Garland didn't just appoint some hack Democrat

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Speaker 6: lawyer to be a special counsel on the Hunter case,

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Speaker 6: because they would have you know, of course, they would

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Speaker 6: then say the Special Council investigation is ongoing and therefore

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Speaker 6: we can't comment. And I think the fact that he

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Speaker 6: hasn't done that Clay indicates that they're really worried about

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Speaker 6: somebody in dependent. I don't think they think that President

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Speaker 6: Biden politically could survive a regular, normal Justice Department investigation.

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Speaker 2: How do you think that plays out? Andy? What do

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Speaker 2: you think comes next? In the just absurd and kind

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Speaker 2: of surreal doj effort to make things go away for Hunter?

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Speaker 2: Do you think they just get a new plea deal

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Speaker 2: done and or what happens?

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Speaker 6: Well, and let me say this, fuck you know, somebody

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Speaker 6: asked me on the air the other day, so what

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Speaker 6: happens now that this fell apart? Does he go to trial?

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Speaker 6: And my answer was go to trial on what? Because

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Speaker 6: you may notice they've never filed an indictment. We have

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Speaker 6: like lots of indictments, lots of indictments against Trump. This

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Speaker 6: is an investigation that's gone on for five years where

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Speaker 6: they know what the charges are and they've never filed

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Speaker 6: an indictment. And they've never done that for the same

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Speaker 6: reason that they didn't describe the crimes that he was

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Speaker 6: getting immunity from in the plea agreement, which is politically.

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Speaker 6: First of all, you couldn't describe this politically without great

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Speaker 6: damage to the Biden Justice Department if you laid out

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Speaker 6: all the crimes that they actually have evidence find. And

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Speaker 6: the second thing is you would never be able to

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Speaker 6: get a plea bree emits the two misdemeanor charges if

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Speaker 6: you laid out an indictment what all the charges are.

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Speaker 6: But most importantly, an indictment is the thing that stops

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Speaker 6: the clock. Without an indictment, the statute of limitations runs.

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Speaker 6: So the reason there's no indictment and the reason these

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Speaker 6: guys are you know, I mean the judge just gave

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Speaker 6: them thirty days, right, you got to get back to

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Speaker 6: me in thirty days. That sounds tough, And I think

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Speaker 6: the judge did a great job the other day. But

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Speaker 6: every day that goes by counselor disappearing because they've never

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Speaker 6: indicted the case.

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Speaker 2: This is wild.

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Speaker 5: It's infuriating. Last question for you, Andy, and you're fantastic.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate the time. You know, it's kind of a

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Speaker 5: black hole in the there's a special counsel that is

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Speaker 5: also investigating Joe Biden. We haven't heard a word there's

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Speaker 5: been no leaks quickly here. How would you assess that?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think all you need to know is that

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Speaker 6: he didn't get the authority.

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Speaker 2: And Robert Hurd did not get authority to look at.

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Speaker 6: The Biden the Biden corruption scandal, whereas the I'm special

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Speaker 6: counsel and God authority to look at everything.

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Speaker 2: Yep, so the fix is in there too, very obviously.

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Speaker 2: Any definitely live in interesting legal times. The Constitution is

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Speaker 2: shrieking out an agony day in and day out. But anyway, Andy,

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Speaker 2: always great to be with you, or have you with

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Speaker 2: us rather. Annie McCarthy and National Review, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 6: Thanks guys, have great weekend play.

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Speaker 2: It's even almost crazier than we had been saying, and

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Speaker 2: we have been saying it's completely insane.

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Speaker 5: So it's the world we live in. This got in

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Speaker 5: your car and hurt only a part of that. I

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Speaker 5: really would encourage you guys to all go back and

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Speaker 5: listen and share that with your friends. That's a super

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Speaker 5: detailed take on just how corrupt the Bidens are.